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nvrspk4
20-05-2012, 11:27 AM
So I get that there has been a lot of discussion about HabboxLive and the various ills but I have some more targeted suggestions so I decided to make a new thread :)

First: Hire more Habbo addicts active Habbo Players
Obviously hiring policies are within the discretion of the manager but I think it would be valuable to hire more DJs who are on Habbo a lot and play the game for the game itself, as opposed to a lot of staff who tend to play in large part because they work for Habbox. It would also take a lot of effort because people who actively play Habbo on the whole tend to be a lot younger, and those people tend to be more difficult to put up with once you've kind of graduated past that level. A concerted attempt should be made to hire the younger (sometimes less refined, but more eager) Habbos. There also needs to be an internal community for them, even among staff years ago it really wasn't that cool to still be into Habbo, if there are a lot of people who are still active that changes.

Second: FOCUS ON THE NOOBS!
DJs should be cultivating fanboys and girls from the newer, more eager, and younger demographics of Habbos. There is often a debate on how much the Forum depends on Habbo, HabboxLive absolutely unequivocally depends on Habbo users to hit high numbers. DJs should be going to public rooms, and party rooms, and running good competitions. But more than anything DJs should be working on good one-to-one relationships. Say hi to the randos who come in and strike up a mild friendship, don't only focus on friends in the room, and maybe reach out to more people. If you reach a new Habbo then his friends will eventually come with him, and if you create a one-to-one relationship that really doesn't take that much maintenance, you now have a devoted fanbase, which a lot of the DJs used to. Maybe DJs still do this - I dunno, but if not it's something worth going back to.

Third: Slots
I'm not sure what the deal is with the lack of bookings. I do understand it's exam time, but even if half of the 51 DJs were away for exams, at 2 hours per week for a DJ that's here, and part-time DJs going for say 1 hour a week - even with exams you can surely spare a single hour for the week. With half away for the week and half here, you have 76 hours...that's 11 hours per day pre-booked if people are hitting their minimums. Yes, some people are fully away but there's probably less than half on exams. What's the point? The two-slot per week rule should be strictly enforced, absences of four weeks or greater should require resignation and reapplication (this used to be standard policy) and the number of staff should be capped again. I did this with the Help Desk, we scaled back staff to increase the exclusivity of the job and increase the burden of responsibility on each person, which made them feel like they were a greater part of the department. This is something I've encountered in real life with the organizations I run, sometimes a team of fewer people will get more done than a larger team because there's increased responsibility. So cut the number of staff to encourage people to do more than just the minimum, people can't be hired unless you have a slot available (maybe you still have that system, but the cap should be reduced) and enforce the slot rules strongly.

Fourth: Quality of Primetime Slots
Pretty simple, during designated "prime" times, speaking on air should be required, and every active DJ should be required to book at least one prime spot (or do a show in a non-prime slot, which I define as speaking fairly regularly, not just streaming). You wouldn't need to save the "prime" spots because people could still speak in off-prime, they would just have to make sure to speak in prime. The dilemma here is, what if the radio's going to go down, and all someone can do is stream? Once again, with 51 people you'd think during prime times you'll have at least one person. I see the potential issue here, but I think that if you say "oh if the Radio is going to go down you can stream" that exception will be taken advantage of.

Fifth: Permanent Shows
Those are always great, listeners know exactly when to tune in, there's a theme, there's a clear direction to the show, and there's an aura of established radio as opposed to helter-skelter cover and stream to keep the radio going. Permanent shows should be encouraged and if someone wants to do a perm show but doesn't have an idea, they should be helped to create one. It would be good to have 1-2 every day if possible.

Sixth: Music Variation
This is a common complaint and a fair one. I went through a variety of ideas here, I settled on one but I'll take you through the process anyway. Basically, the songs are just "chart" songs; the songs that are popular now that everyone hears every day. The idea is, the chart songs from 2005 are actually kind of refreshing, and pre-2000 is almost old school (over 12 years old!). At first I thought just compile a list of the top 10-15 songs from each of the past 25 years (maybe with listener input?) and post it in the Staff Forum and on the Site and suggest to DJs that they get some of that music and play it. The question there is how do you make sure they do it?

So here's my idea: take the 12 2-hour blocks of the day (0:00-2:00, 2:00-4:00, etc.) and every two weeks, you assign a different year to each of those blocks. The DJ within that slot has to play at least one song from that year. It encourages DJs to vary their song selection, it doesn't hamper them too much because it's only a year, they have all the music from that year to pick from. And because it's switched up every two weeks, after a while they have a variety of older songs to mix in with the current chart-toppers. My favorite thing is when I'm listening to HxL and I hear a new (or rather, new old song) and I decide to go get it. That's what I often listen to normal radio for: witty banter and finding new songs. I think that initially this should be enforced as a warnable offense. Obviously you won't catch everyone, but every now and then managers can go through song logs etc. to make sure, the idea is it needs to be enforceable to get people into the habit, and then maybe after a few months if someone forgets now and then you can wave it off.

Seven: Speaking Well, Presenting Well
Another thing that's often complained about is the quality of the DJs actually speaking on the shows. One criticism is often of the pitch of people's voices, which there's really nothing you can do about. But there are various things that can be done, make sure that typing isn't picked up, keep the mouth away from the microphone (these are basics, I know most DJs know this, but maybe make it clearer because I've heard a lot of this in the two days I've been listening again). But the biggest thing is this: I think that DJs should plan out what they say before they get on. There's often a lot of umming and ahhing and pausing as they click around to find something. They don't necessarily need to read out what they're doing, but between songs they should quickly outline on a piece of paper "Read this request out", check if they have the song "I'm going to say no because I just played Rihanna", "Tell joke about my cat", "Tell them to come to the party room", "Competition in 20 minutes", "Sign off with Random fact". This means that it's a smooth delivery and you know what information you will need, so that you don't need to look it up as you're on the air. I think that would improve DJ quality 500%.


Obviously certain DJs may be doing this already, but from what I've seen and what I've talked to people about (special thanks to Rich who I spent several hours talking to about this last night) it's not department wide policy (or isn't enforced) and I think these seven changes could bring leaps and strides to the radio. Feel free to tell me how woefully ignorant I am, how bad you think my ideas are, or how much you adore me. I won't be offended, except if you tell me you like Matthew better than you like me.

EDIT: A note, I know that this post largely comes off as know-it-all, sorry I am often bad with that when it comes to Habbox things, because I do know quite a bit about Habbox. First, I want to make it clear that I don't know all the facts here, a lot has changed since I was paying attention, and second I would be shocked if I was right on all seven of these - I definitely have some flaws in my thinking and the point of posting in feedback is to put my view out there, and refine, alter, or scrap portions of it based on what other people think and hopefully make meaningful suggestions for changes to fix the radio.

CaptainAce$$
20-05-2012, 11:55 AM
I already plan my shows. I can see where people are coming from however, every time ive tried to involve the listeners, they just seem to not want to interact with the DJ. It would also help if the listeners themselves would come on here and pm us DJs telling us what they think we need to improve. That way, we would know what they want, like and don't want or like.

Chippiewill
20-05-2012, 12:33 PM
I already plan my shows. I can see where people are coming from however, every time ive tried to involve the listeners, they just seem to not want to interact with the DJ. It would also help if the listeners themselves would come on here and pm us DJs telling us what they think we need to improve. That way, we would know what they want, like and don't want or like.
Perhaps HxL management should ask their DJs to ask listeners to send feedback on the forum.

:odey:
20-05-2012, 01:11 PM
It's purely a quality problem for me, if I tune in and instantly hear a quiet, crackling mic with plenty of background noise and a mumbling voice, it's just a massive turn off,

I understand that this is a Habbo fan site and not a multi million pound business opportunity, but the quality is just shockingly low in my opinion...

First port of call from a mile off...

scott
20-05-2012, 01:26 PM
I know there is a recommended song download list within the HabboxLive staff section with a good variety of older and newer music, I don't know if its still regularly updated but I think it was a good reference for the DJs to get some ideas from. But I do agree a lot of the time when I listen there isn't a lot of variety so I do think that variety is something that the DJs can be reminded of.

I know what you are saying about the 1-to-1 relationship thing with listeners, I remember when I first became a DJ back in 2007 at HxL the listeners made a huge effort to get to know the DJs and talk to them and the DJs made the effort with them too. Now I don't see that kind of 'relationship' with any of the listeners which I think is a shame as that's what I enjoyed about being a DJ. I don't think it's anything that the DJs can change though I think it is more a change in the listeners.

I agree with the bit about targeting fanboy/girls that is what is going to keep Habbox(Live) going, it needs to target younger and habbo interested people so that it can start to grow again. Targeting the same people wont help bring more listeners to the site, partying in public rooms is a good idea as it will attract more newer members, but if I remember correctly there was something sent from Habbo staff complaining about it as people were spamming the rooms or something.

I was shocked that we didn't gain very many new listeners or DJs from HFFM closing, now Habbox doesn't really have any main competition other than thishabbo so I did think we would have seen an increase. I don't know if there was no effort made to try and gain any listeners/DJs from them closing but I would've thought there would have been.

Jess and Logan are good managers and always have good ideas for stuff to do with HabboxLive but I do get the feeling other than the a few of DJs, the DJs aren't really that interested in helping improve Habbox and I think that is part of the problem.

Another thing I noticed about thishabbo is that they are VERY foccused on improving their international side I think it's something that HxL needs to start doing again too as if thishabbo continue as they are then they will leave Habbox with not much chance of improving that side.

Chippiewill
20-05-2012, 02:31 PM
Just by listening to the radio for ten seconds just now it's apparently clear that some DJs do not own or know what a pop filter is. They should either talk softer or get one because it's an immediate offput.

Edit: Also this page is a mess, you can condense it a ton:
http://habboxlive.com/#/jobs

Grig
20-05-2012, 02:49 PM
Even though I do hate many many elements of th, one thing they're good at is constantly have something going on to push both their site and radio, like at the moment they have a prom and 24 hour events, then after that they will go straight to something else. Takes a lot of hard work.

The international side of HxL needs a mass of work, to get DJs back in. Back at the start of last year we had more internationals than UK DJs because there was this mass amount of focus. However, that gradually dissolved and any progress went the wrong way back. The UK side needs more too. I agree with you about perm shows as well. Before people were excited to tune into a perm show because it had structure, good DJing and was interesting. At the moment nothing is happening to lure people in. You can't simply DJ now, and actually you could never have been content with it in the past as the radio always needs stuff going on to give it a push and that's how new DJ talent would get interest in applying as well.

GoldenMerc
20-05-2012, 03:20 PM
But then again, whats Habbox's main feature nowdays, first it was Rare Values. When MP came that went out the window, then i personally would say the radio, now thats pretty dead. Personally not going to lie i'd totally scrap the radio staff, re-hire and get babyg to be acting manager untill someone with determination and someone who knows how to manage a radio comes in.

Vause
20-05-2012, 04:54 PM
Everything you've said there, I have recently made a thread about in the HxL forums. Things will get better, I hope!

Niall!
20-05-2012, 06:30 PM
I disagree with hiring the younger people, their taste in music is usually ****.

The Don
20-05-2012, 11:16 PM
But then again, whats Habbox's main feature nowdays, first it was Rare Values. When MP came that went out the window, then i personally would say the radio, now thats pretty dead. Personally not going to lie i'd totally scrap the radio staff, re-hire and get babyg to be acting manager untill someone with determination and someone who knows how to manage a radio comes in.

I disagree with removing all radio staff as there are some decent djs there. For example, I was surprised by how good Lamars show was the other day.

JerseySafety
21-05-2012, 05:47 AM
Awesome thread, totally agree with all of it. Well done!

Maatt.
21-05-2012, 11:05 AM
Even though I do hate many many elements of th, one thing they're good at is constantly have something going on to push both their site and radio, like at the moment they have a prom and 24 hour events, then after that they will go straight to something else. Takes a lot of hard work.



This is because we have a little routine where the AU will do something this week, then the USA team do something, then the next month its UK and then Au ect ect.

Habbox doesnt have a big enough team in the intl to do this, which is why Hxl needs to get a large intl sector.

Inspiration
21-05-2012, 03:19 PM
To add to the above. Dez has also put each Department against eachother which really motivates the teams to do well and also increases staff communication and interactivity across every department which in turn increases the listeners which in turn increases DJ confidence & DJ moral which in turn makes them eager to DJ more.

The Don
21-05-2012, 03:40 PM
Me and Richie; will come back for a weekly show called the hip hop hour

Richie
21-05-2012, 04:59 PM
Me and @Richie (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=51359); will come back for a weekly show called the hip hop hour

haha could you only imagine

Matthew
21-05-2012, 05:15 PM
I'll just paste what I put in the staff forum:


Ah I miss the days of DJ Xoim etc :(


I just think that (some of) our DJs just don't sound professional. I just tuned into ThisHabbo and I'm not gonna lie- it was great. I could have mistaken the DJ for a professional DJ at a big radio station. He played 'different' songs and rather than just going 'ok that was song x next is song y' *plays song y* 'ok that was song y next is song z, invite pls' etc he actually talked to the listener like a professional DJ would do.

I think that's the difference. If I want to just hear chart songs in one continuous stream I'd put my iTunes on. The only thing that will make people tune into Habbox over real radio stations or iTunes is if the shows become more interesting rather than just song after song after song....

Also, when I just tried to load the habbox page it took like 3-4minutes whereas thishabbo was instant. If I was a new member I'd be put off.

Sorry if I sound really critical of hxl or whatever I'm just trying to help- I miss the old days :P




EDIT: Also hxl seems to play for a bit... then stop for like a minute... then start again etc. Its kinda off putting. New members would instantly be put off, advertising and doing events and stuff just seems pointless to be honest if when we actually get someone to try habboxlive out its just broken?

Richie
21-05-2012, 06:12 PM
I'll just paste what I put in the staff forum:


Ah I miss the days of DJ Xoim etc :(


I just think that (some of) our DJs just don't sound professional. I just tuned into ThisHabbo and I'm not gonna lie- it was great. I could have mistaken the DJ for a professional DJ at a big radio station. He played 'different' songs and rather than just going 'ok that was song x next is song y' *plays song y* 'ok that was song y next is song z, invite pls' etc he actually talked to the listener like a professional DJ would do.

I think that's the difference. If I want to just hear chart songs in one continuous stream I'd put my iTunes on. The only thing that will make people tune into Habbox over real radio stations or iTunes is if the shows become more interesting rather than just song after song after song....

Also, when I just tried to load the habbox page it took like 3-4minutes whereas thishabbo was instant. If I was a new member I'd be put off.

Sorry if I sound really critical of hxl or whatever I'm just trying to help- I miss the old days :P




EDIT: Also hxl seems to play for a bit... then stop for like a minute... then start again etc. Its kinda off putting. New members would instantly be put off, advertising and doing events and stuff just seems pointless to be honest if when we actually get someone to try habboxlive out its just broken?


I agree. The reason the radio is stopping for you is because you can't keep up the with stream or the stream can't keep up with you. If you can tune into other stations fine it's habboxs servers being slow. The servers have been like this for some time and management are aware of it. I know Jin is a busy man but if something isn't done before he needs to head to work over the summer I'm not sure if habbox will survive. The user base as it is has dropped dramatically, if the forum is going down most days during the summer I can see people just leaving.


When I complain about the servers I guess I suppose I forget it's a free service but i'd imagine management want to keep active numbers to keep the forum popular and for bigger reasons like revenue. So although I'm always blunt when complaining I do appreciate what is being done.

Grig
21-05-2012, 06:15 PM
I agree. The reason the radio is stopping for you is because you can't keep up the with stream or the stream can't keep up with you. If you can tune into other stations fine it's habboxs servers being slow. The servers have been like this for some time and management are aware of it. I know Jin is a busy man but if something isn't done before he needs to head to work over the summer I'm not sure if habbox will survive. The user base as it is has dropped dramatically, if the forum is going down most days during the summer I can see people just leaving.

I get this too but only on HxL, particularly some DJs during peak times, it jumps for me. Yeh I do agree, some server issues need resolving asap, otherwise people will just get fed up and not stick by.

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