Bye Rare Values Department

[GoldenMerc]

Im fairly sure that forum annoucement already shows that no one uses Hx RVR anymore, sort of a stab in the coffin.
But Habbox needs something else to pull users / players in, Radios not doing great, everything else is gone that Habbox had. now its just the same as every other fansite :/
Ross

[xxMATTGxx]

Im fairly sure that forum annoucement already shows that no one uses Hx RVR anymore, sort of a stab in the coffin.
But Habbox needs something else to pull users / players in, Radios not doing great, everything else is gone that Habbox had. now its just the same as every other fansite :/
Ross

The actual results from the poll on Habbox.com are the other way round from the HabboxForum poll.

[GoldenMerc]

Oh are they? completely the opposite way round or a close score?

[lawrawrrr]

Half the people on the forum (ok maybe an exaggeration) don't even use Habbo, so why would they use RV? I actually use it almost every time I sell, seeing as especially super rares aren't in the catalog mp. I also want to know a fair price for some things, and I like the trends on Habbox, as the MP is totally user-controlled.

[sex]

why would you go to an external site when you can get every single piece of furni values in the market place? all you do is subtract one. you use to get most shops saying "habbox prices" in their room desc, haven't seen that in ages.

[buttons]

Half the people on the forum (ok maybe an exaggeration) don't even use Habbo, so why would they use RV? I actually use it almost every time I sell, seeing as especially super rares aren't in the catalog mp. I also want to know a fair price for some things, and I like the trends on Habbox, as the MP is totally user-controlled.
exactly, i was thinking this. i voted no and i don't even trade so it's not exactly going to be accurate. no can be "no i don't trade" or "no i don't trade using habbox values" and other variations while yes is just yes. then you have people who don't use the form but use the values..

oh wait there is a poll on the forum AND the site? ahh

[xxMATTGxx]

Oh are they? completely the opposite way round or a close score?

There is more Yes than No from Habbox.com - Quite interesting but I was already expecting the results from the forum poll due to what lawrawrrr; has posted.

[lawrawrrr]

I was also thinking, if you say it's pointless keeping a department open if more people don't use it than do... there's literally no point keeping ANY department open?

Obviously extreme, that's never gonna happen. It's also like the Habbo thing atm, people on here saying 'oh just shut it I don't care' are the people who don't use it? If someone asked you if you wanted to shut the forum, you'd say no, but everyone who didn't use it would be like 'who cares, shut it'...

[GoldenMerc]

I was also thinking, if you say it's pointless keeping a department open if more people don't use it than do... there's literally no point keeping ANY department open?
Atm your right... most depts are crashing

[Kasabian]

I was also thinking, if you say it's pointless keeping a department open if more people don't use it than do... there's literally no point keeping ANY department open?
No graphics do everything for everyone, kk


Atm your right... most depts are crashing

no soz, graphics isnt

(although we need a manager, xxMATTGxx

[Inseriousity.]

Don't think anyone can deny that rare values are no longer at their peak but a bit premature to say goodbye. Personally I think it just needs reinventing slightly and given a new responsibility, something from v6 that failed to materalize could've provided that. Hopefully we'll be able to see it in v7 :D

[Jurv]

Atm your right... most depts are crashing

and where are you getting that from? yes, some departments may be having some problems but they aren't exactly 'crashing'.

[GoldenMerc]

No graphics do everything for everyone, kk



no soz, graphics isnt

(although we need a manager, @xxMATTGxx (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=1020)

you have no manager, your like a dog with 2 legs

Don't think anyone can deny that rare values are no longer at their peak but a bit premature to say goodbye. Personally I think it just needs reinventing slightly and given a new responsibility, something from v6 that failed to materalize could've provided that. Hopefully we'll be able to see it in v7 :D


and where are you getting that from? yes, some departments may be having some problems but they aren't exactly 'crashing'.
Okay
HabboxLive ~ like a monkey with no tail in the jungle
RVR ~ Why go outsource for something you can get the same, if not better on client.
WHY GO ELSEwhere.
At no point did i say events are crashing, i can't as i haven't been to any events recently

[Grig]

Don't think anyone can deny that rare values are no longer at their peak but a bit premature to say goodbye. Personally I think it just needs reinventing slightly and given a new responsibility, something from v6 that failed to materalize could've provided that. Hopefully we'll be able to see it in v7 :D

yeh it needs some new features is order to be able to compete with the marketplace :p

[Jurv]

Okay
HabboxLive ~ like a monkey with no tail in the jungle
RVR ~ Why go outsource for something you can get the same, if not better on client.
WHY GO ELSEwhere.
At no point did i say events are crashing, i can't as i haven't been to any events recently

well you said that most departments were crashing so i thought that you meant more than two. i wouldn't even say they were doing that badly either. habboxlive just needs to make a few changes and find ways of attracting more listeners and as for rare values, they seem fine at the moment. whoever visits the habbox.com website seem to find them useful.

[David]

you have no manager, your like a dog with 2 legs



Okay
HabboxLive ~ like a monkey with no tail in the jungle
RVR ~ Why go outsource for something you can get the same, if not better on client.
WHY GO ELSEwhere.
At no point did i say events are crashing, i can't as i haven't been to any events recently

A monkey with no tail? that's a chimp

[GoldenMerc]

well you said that most departments were crashing so i thought that you meant more than two. i wouldn't even say they were doing that badly either. habboxlive just needs to make a few changes and find ways of attracting more listeners and as for rare values, they seem fine at the moment. whoever visits the habbox.com website seem to find them useful.
I have a small feeling Grig can get it back to usual. but rvr, i don't even think Smiddy; could bring it back

A monkey with no tail? that's a chimp
no thats Kasabian;

[Chippiewill]

Atm your right... most depts are crashing
Content Design is doing pretty well recently. Loads more activity on the wiki recently.

[Kasabian]

no thats @Kasabian (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=20984);

http://habbobox.bravehost.com/myPictures/gorilla_caught.gif

The only time I use rare values, is if I need a certain furni's image for my graphics.

[GoldenMerc]

Content Design is doing pretty well recently. Loads more activity on the wiki recently.

Dunno, i guess no one can really tell how good Wiki will be untill a lot more content is done. What annoys me about wiki is the random article 7/10 takes me to a page that hasn't been finished yet..

[David]

http://habbobox.bravehost.com/myPictures/gorilla_caught.gif

The only time I use rare values, is if I need a certain furni's image for my graphics.

even in that view i don't go near it, retros are my friend
I think the last time I used it the search feature pissed me off because it gave me results when I hadn't finished typing...

[Chippiewill]

Main issue with rare values at the moment is that the system on the site is terribly inefficient making it difficult to use and doesn't near provide enough statistics to make it practical for anything other than raw value.


What annoys me about wiki is the random article 7/10 takes me to a page that hasn't been finished yet..
We cleared out a lot of that list of half term and the staff are working hard to cut down the list.

[Samantha]

I often wander into shops and ask people prices, sometimes they say they use Habbox values and I become both shocked and pleased. It's a shame that more people can't update values on the site as a lot of things would be done quicker but hopefully v7 will change that.

Not really backing any department in all honesty but Rare Values isn't doing that bad the only problem is the Marketplace, lack of some using it and the slowness of updating. New features and a new structure maybe what it needs!

[lawrawrrr]

Dunno, i guess no one can really tell how good Wiki will be untill a lot more content is done. What annoys me about wiki is the random article 7/10 takes me to a page that hasn't been finished yet..

We've actually got more detailed pages than any other Habbo wiki site. There's only, what, 10 of us, and it's not even been open a year, I think it's going well so far. If you're looking for an important feature most of the time it'll be on the site.

[-Nick]

I often wander into shops and ask people prices, sometimes they say they use Habbox values and I become both shocked and pleased. It's a shame that more people can't update values on the site as a lot of things would be done quicker but hopefully v7 will change that.

Not really backing any department in all honesty but Rare Values isn't doing that bad the only problem is the Marketplace, lack of some using it and the slowness of updating. New features and a new structure maybe what it needs!



I seen and heard the same people which don't want to be and do anything with habbox still use our resources e.g rare values and other goodies, it would be good for it to stay because some people enjoy there jobs and you taking there hobbie away, many people love trading and giving rare values reports.... It's a bit like saying that you are going to take away the news reports because you could say that you can just get the reports off habbo itself.

Thank you

Darkred,

[GoldenMerc]

I seen and heard the same people which don't want to be and do anything with habbox still use our resources e.g rare values and other goodies, it would be good for it to stay because some people enjoy there jobs and you taking there hobbie away, many people love trading and giving rare values reports.... It's a bit like saying that you are going to take away the news reports because you could say that you can just get the reports off habbo itself.

Thank you

Darkred,

By far the silliest comment in the thread, congradulations.
Never the less hobbies get replaced, its like i used to watch tellie tubbys when i was 4 or what ever, now i watch Big Brother. you replace them with others, so you want to keep a dept open as a hobby for others? This isn't kids club mate

[Samantha]

I seen and heard the same people which don't want to be and do anything with habbox still use our resources e.g rare values and other goodies, it would be good for it to stay because some people enjoy there jobs and you taking there hobbie away, many people love trading and giving rare values reports.... It's a bit like saying that you are going to take away the news reports because you could say that you can just get the reports off habbo itself.

Thank you

Darkred,

Problem is with that is that Habbo no longer do News Reports due to them wanting to focus on the 'technological' side of Habbo etc. :P.

[-Nick]

Problem is with that is that Habbo no longer do News Reports due to them wanting to focus on the 'technological' side of Habbo etc. :P.

Yh I suppose :P

[MissAlice]

Although I don’t play Habbo anymore I still have an interest in values. I have quite a bit of furni still, and although the marketplace may be there, I like the reassurance Habbox gives me should I choose to trade some rares.

Also I have seen some weird values in the marketplace in the past, values that have seemed odd or even over inflated to me.

[lawrawrrr]

Although I don’t play Habbo anymore I still have an interest in values. I have quite a bit of furni still, and although the marketplace may be there, I like the reassurance Habbox gives me should I choose to trade some rares.

Also I have seen some weird values in the marketplace in the past, values that have seemed odd or even over inflated to me.

Exactly. Because users can put whatever they want in... I've seen a petal for 3c (didn't get it, cry) and a norm for 1000... it's ridiculous to go by those prices sometimes :P

[FlyingJesus]

No graphics do everything for everyone, kk



no soz, graphics isnt

(although we need a manager, xxMATTGxx


I'll be graphics manager, not like you guys do any work for me to manage anyway

[Kasabian]

I'll be graphics manager, not like you guys do any work for me to manage anyway

xxMATTGxx can we have flyingjesus as manager

[Lewis]

What I don't understand is why fansites even use rare values anymore, everyone goes by the marketplace taking off a few coins. Although prices can be rigged, you can't be sure the actual habbox price would be correct. I used to use HX rv but ever since the marketplace, I don't see a much of a point. I only use it for items that can't go in the market... for example, rare teleports.

[lawrawrrr]

What I don't understand is why fansites even use rare values anymore, everyone goes by the marketplace taking off a few coins. Although prices can be rigged, you can't be sure the actual habbox price would be correct. I used to use HX rv but ever since the marketplace, I don't see a much of a point. I only use it for items that can't go in the market... for example, rare teleports.

Not everyone does. Maybe some people just use it for the non-tradeables but that doesn't mean it's worth getting rid of.

[Zelda]

Now before i go into criticising it, i do think rare values is useful if stuff can't be put in mp, or isn't in there currently, but i really think it needs stuff that shows more then the mp can show so people will actually look at it. At the moment there is no point looking because of a few simple factors -

1) Market place everyone goes by taking off an accordance amount of credits to give a good shop price by, therefore our prices only reflect that anyway, and it's easy enough to just look at mp in the first place because of that.

2) If mp is rigged, shop prices will still go around this to try sell higher, if it's rigged lower then theres nothing shops can do about it other than don't sell yet or sell lower, so prices in shops will still work around this and our values will work accordingly.

3) Where shops are selling much lower than cheapest mp offer, the massive gap between average and lowest offer would show to generally just look at average for price range, as this is the more important detail anyway.

4) In the case that the average has been rigged up or down, then in all honesty all shop values will move up and down and therefore our values should meet according to that anyway.

Therefore with current circumstances, we do need something extra to actually show more to it, the only real benefit of currently looking on here over the site is pictures for any graphics work and the non-mpables.

[jasey]

i said it ages ago that rare values is practically useless work for the most part. no one is ever going to use the rare values site to find out whether their bensalem furniture is worth one credit or two credits. then i see the change history and someone is actually taking time to update the value from two to one to two to one for such an uncommon piece of furniture. literally only five percent of the values on there should be updated if the department stays. it is a waste of manpower and a make-work project to update values that people will be lenient on (someone worth one or two credits and hardly ever traded) or that are easy to verify in the marketplace. i remember when i worked in rare values there was a call to stop adding 'seasonals' or 'collections' to the page as habbo was churning out one after another yet they are updated monthly and sometimes weekly by someone who really has no accurate way of deciding is something is worth one or two credits. if you want to do rare values, stick to the things that people really care about. you know, the rares. no one needs to be updating the value of a norm or a collection item that is worth a pittance that furniture shop owners and the marketplace will govern without any work from habbox at all.

[Lewis]

Now before i go into criticising it, i do think rare values is useful if stuff can't be put in mp, or isn't in there currently, but i really think it needs stuff that shows more then the mp can show so people will actually look at it. At the moment there is no point looking because of a few simple factors -

1) Market place everyone goes by taking off an accordance amount of credits to give a good shop price by, therefore our prices only reflect that anyway, and it's easy enough to just look at mp in the first place because of that.

2) If mp is rigged, shop prices will still go around this to try sell higher, if it's rigged lower then theres nothing shops can do about it other than don't sell yet or sell lower, so prices in shops will still work around this and our values will work accordingly.

3) Where shops are selling much lower than cheapest mp offer, the massive gap between average and lowest offer would show to generally just look at average for price range, as this is the more important detail anyway.

4) In the case that the average has been rigged up or down, then in all honesty all shop values will move up and down and therefore our values should meet according to that anyway.

Therefore with current circumstances, we do need something extra to actually show more to it, the only real benefit of currently looking on here over the site is pictures for any graphics work and the non-mpables.


basically everything I meant but you explained it 10x better :P

[Andii]

lol i been in rare values for agesssss and loved it going around seeing trades and posting what i saw, but now certain staff just used the marketplace values in their reports so what i noticed was that the rare values were just being the same as marketplace so i dont use them and also think they are sorta useless

[Munex]

I just tried to use the rare values to find the Limited Edition Rares ... I can't find them. Am I being stupid or do you not cover LTD Rares?

[Kyle]

From what I understand, the marketplace is the main source of values even for the rare value staff anyway. Even if you're basing some values off trading it's highly likely that even those trades are based on marketplace prices lol.

Only thing I've ever looked on the habbox site for values of in recent years are super rares, items that aren't currently being sold in the marketpalce or items that aren't sellable in the marketplace (like linking teleports) and even then the prices have often turned out to be way off what I actually end up buying/selling for. Prime example being the ads_1800 teles. There have been a number of reports in the forum of users buying and selling them far below the price displayed on the site but it remains the same. It's nice for you to have that forum for non-staff to post but saying THANKS FOR THE VALUES and then not even bothering to update your site is a bit pointless?

If it was updated more frequently and accurately I think it could still be useful for some but right now I can see it being made obsolete if habbo ever decide to allow us to trade linking teleports in the marketplace and display a sell history of items that aren't currently being sold.

Also just as an improvement for the current search feature, you need to somehow make it so that users can search a number of things to come up with the same result cos it's sometimes difficult to find items with weird names that we know as having other names. e.g. (I know it's been changed in the hotel now) jp_rare = shishi odoishi. Also plasto chairs. They're all called "chair" - no colours or anything - and if you search "plasto" only two transparent items come up.

[Grig]

Yeh I also noticed some values way off. I mean it's a really turbulent market.

[Logandyer45]

If I was a "Big Trader" or "Rich Person" in Habbo, I would use RVD but I don't. :( Maybe to look at a price of something to see it rise or fall but that's it.

[Samantha]

I'll reply fully when I get home but one reason it takes a qhile to update is due to no gm member knowing rare values and that only me and will can change them, it was ten times worse when I was the single manager as there was a lot more values submitted to update.

[Recursion]

Rare Values isn't going anywhere I don't think.... (not like we're being forced to code it or anything :( LOL)

[Chippiewill]

Rare Values isn't going anywhere I don't think.... (not like we're being forced to code it or anything :( LOL)
I have it on good authority that it'll just display random integer values.

[Samantha]

Right, reply time.

I'll just remember some replies and try to answer what happens with specific things.

I believe it was jasey; who mentioned normal values, we do have a system to monitor these and we mainly say that if the norm value is stable we will not accept that as a report if an Expert or normal reporter submits it. However, we allow norms that differ in value and are widely wanted in Habbo to be reported such as Grass Patches and Holo-Dice as they often differ between 2-3c before settling at a specific one for sometime. This isn't done often though therefore isn't much of a problem. Furthermore, if we have just added new items to the panel such as the new rabbit pet food and the pet accessories we will allow head reporters to update items as they would be classed as 0 credits on the panel when really they should be at 1 credit (as we can't put in 0.5 etc.) this is fine, we do bring it up if they updated mostly normal values though.

Our main focus is Rare Values and as said before norms aren't reported that often but we do try our best to try get all those reported updated but it can prove difficult when only 2 can change the values.

Another thing, yes you can get values from the Marketplace and sometimes I have had to use it just to get an average (most of the time I don't go with the average due to most being rigged) and I have to make a judgement using that. This is on rares I'm unsure on the value of or those that change a lot such as some Dragon Lamps, if you asked me item values of Smoke Machines, Parasols and various others I could most likely tell you though. Anyway, in reply to Kyle; if the Teleporter value hasn't been updated then I do apologise as I mainly spot an inaccurate value on the site and change it immediately (such as the Idea Agency Teleports having a jump of about 100 credits due to them being listed at 90c on the site) that was changed quickly to give a more accurate reading.

Oh that's it Kyle mentioned about giving a more explicit search with different items, maybe in v7 we could add something that has the past names of some rares such as the jp_rare and so on? Do you think that would help more?

I'll add a more detailed reply later.

[Recursion]

I have it on good authority that it'll just display random integer values.

Hot damn, how did you find out?!

[-Danube-]

I don't think Rare Values should ever be removed from Habbox, it's part of it's heritage and basically it's the main reason Habbox has become so popular and has lasted so long. It doesn't take a genius to work out that ever since the marketplace was release it pulled alot of people away from Habbox Rare Values, tbh it destroyed the entire trading market in the hotel, everything is dictated by the marketplace, why would someone go into a shop, search for an item and then maybe pay more? They don't much, they buy it from the marketplace as it's ease of access. And if they are buying it in a shop they will tell the owner it is 'X' amount of credits in the marketplace, but the owner could say it is 'Y' amount on Habbox, but the buyer will only pay less than marketplace value as they can just buy it from the marketplace anyway.

I've had alot of involvement in the rv department at Habbox and it would be sad to see it go. When Habbox V6 was released there was a big overhaul of the way that Rare Values were displayed and i think this could be improved upon further. When V6 was released i decided to remove an old feature called 'Rare Watch', it was a section of the site which was upkept by the content department (often edited by the RV manager) but it always quickly got out of date. As the rare values were also loosing popularity i knew i had to bring a new spin to it, i decided to merge Rare Values and Rare Watch to produce an overall 'Furniture Resource Guide'. Basically i wanted to catalog every single item of furni on the hotel, rare or not. This would include names, pictures and furni descriptions. Me and David successfully created a few scripts which could automatically grab a furniture name and description from the habbo data files, sadly it was never implemented but it would go great distances at keeping that updated.

To cut a long story short, i think rather than removing rare values altogether, it needs to evolve. I went so far but the department needs to go ever further. I just changed the front end, the way we displayed the values. The actual way the department works needs to change. Rather than just having the full team aiming at finding rare values, you need to put together a team of people together to produce images of new and missing items of furniture and get it added to the website. I think a furniture guide that catalogs all items is an interesting resource for people to search through. Random facts should be included about items etc. It means that rare values can remain on Habbox but also serve a purpose.

It would be very sad for Rare Values to be removed, it's just needs to change.

[Samantha]

I don't think Rare Values should ever be removed from Habbox, it's part of it's heritage and basically it's the main reason Habbox has become so popular and has lasted so long. It doesn't take a genius to work out that ever since the marketplace was release it pulled alot of people away from Habbox Rare Values, tbh it destroyed the entire trading market in the hotel, everything is dictated by the marketplace, why would someone go into a shop, search for an item and then maybe pay more? They don't much, they buy it from the marketplace as it's ease of access. And if they are buying it in a shop they will tell the owner it is 'X' amount of credits in the marketplace, but the owner could say it is 'Y' amount on Habbox, but the buyer will only pay less than marketplace value as they can just buy it from the marketplace anyway.

I've had alot of involvement in the rv department at Habbox and it would be sad to see it go. When Habbox V6 was released there was a big overhaul of the way that Rare Values were displayed and i think this could be improved upon further. When V6 was released i decided to remove an old feature called 'Rare Watch', it was a section of the site which was upkept by the content department (often edited by the RV manager) but it always quickly got out of date. As the rare values were also loosing popularity i knew i had to bring a new spin to it, i decided to merge Rare Values and Rare Watch to produce an overall 'Furniture Resource Guide'. Basically i wanted to catalog every single item of furni on the hotel, rare or not. This would include names, pictures and furni descriptions. Me and David successfully created a few scripts which could automatically grab a furniture name and description from the habbo data files, sadly it was never implemented but it would go great distances at keeping that updated.

To cut a long story short, i think rather than removing rare values altogether, it needs to evolve. I went so far but the department needs to go ever further. I just changed the front end, the way we displayed the values. The actual way the department works needs to change. Rather than just having the full team aiming at finding rare values, you need to put together a team of people together to produce images of new and missing items of furniture and get it added to the website. I think a furniture guide that catalogs all items is an interesting resource for people to search through. Random facts should be included about items etc. It means that rare values can remain on Habbox but also serve a purpose.

It would be very sad for Rare Values to be removed, it's just needs to change.

This has already been done in so many words. Each staff can do sprites and get information if needed then the managers and heads upload it, if that's what you mean?

[-Danube-]

I know what you mean Sam. I used to encorage and give staff the opporutnity to make sprites and images, i even gave HRVRs the power to be able to physically upload them onto Habbox.com theirselves. But the issure was, they never seemed to want to do it. I just ended up doing it, whilst they sent me report after report on values that needed updating.

I mean to section off the department. Maybe 10/15 staff gathering values which have to meet a weekly minimum and then another section of 5/10 staff which have access to upload directly to Habbox.com/ edit rare information and this should be their sole job role. Each group should be lead by one of the RV managers. For the 2nd 'Content' group, the manager would set them weekly targets of what they want them to achieve by the end of the week. Like adding a new section of furniture thats been added, searching through a few sections to make sure names/descriptions are up to date, finding any missing furniture, adding rotations and double clicks to furniture images. Think of this group of people like 'Furniture Content Editors', a whole other department isn't require, nor should it be a task placed in the content department, it should just be an off shoot of the Rare Values Department (Which could get a name change as it would include both rare values reporters and content editors) the name Rare Values would become redudant as Rare Values would only be part of the whole resource

[lawrawrrr]

I always assumed Heads helped with uploading onto Habbox, just as Head News reporters edits and makes things perfect to be displayed. If someone doesn't want to do that job then they can resign or just be normal staff, but being promoted = responsibility.

[-Danube-]

It was always part of their job role but it always failed to get enforced propaly.

I think in order to make somethine survive that it struggling and to give it meaning, is it restructure everything about it. An actual team would be required to actually keep everything up-to-date for a 'Rare Watch' type resource.

[lawrawrrr]

They should have similar warning systems, when I was senior, if I didn't do any edits Charlie would give me a warning. I love the idea of a rare watch teamm seeing as that's what it's mainly used for these days, needs much more emphasis imo!

[-Danube-]

exactly. And much more emphasis can only be brought about it there is a whole team of people focusing soley on the content side, rather than having this as a side job from finding values. If they just implement a warning system to seniors for not adding new rares etc it would basically be the same as it is now, as you can't expect the HRVRs to update loads of values and add loads of new content. A team of content creators, with a leader which sets targets week by week would be the best way to go about things.

[lawrawrrr]

Definitely. From what I've read it doesn't seem like the heads have to do much at all (well I know sam wouldn't let this happen) but they should be doing MORE work imo. Every staff member at habbox should have to meet some form of requirement, or it wouldn't be fair if someone contributes a lot and another nothing - and both are treated the same.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I would say myself, that Habbox values still have a role to play even if the role is much less important than it used to be with the introduction of the marketplace. The marketplace is open to manipulation whereas Habbox is a more trustworthy system - rarer items especially can easily be put at random prices which makes sense for Habbox to be there as a guide for both super rares and seasonal rares (which I explain below). I would also add that, if the values department were abolished (even if it did serve no purpose) it would greatly impact the forum and site itself - as departments are wound down it no doubt has an effect on user activity and to simply abolish it when there are still people willing to carry out the jobs would be like shooting yourself in the foot.

My major qualm with Habbox values - I attempted to change this when I was manager the first time around and the second time, was to greatly expand the department because we were frankly sinking under the sheer number of rares that were being released and needed updating. The first department I was under had, at its maximum (back in 2007 was it not?) around 30 staff members - since then I don't think it has once surpassed this number despite the workload more than doubling and then doubling again. I don't know the exact numbers of the department now, but I know during my second time there were staff limits on numbers of staff I could hire - with constant roadblocks being put in front of me to solve this. How the department manages now with what I guess is under 20 staff members is beyond me frankly. If this is to be solved, then the department needs to be greatly expanded just to its able to manage with such a workload and so that the manager isn't doing most of the work (which I had to go out myself at times and get super values which I knew had changed but which were being overlooked simply because of the sheer number of rares that reporters had to report).

It still serves a purpose, but how it can possibly carry out such a massive task with its current numbers covering thousands of rares is beyond me.


i said it ages ago that rare values is practically useless work for the most part. no one is ever going to use the rare values site to find out whether their bensalem furniture is worth one credit or two credits. then i see the change history and someone is actually taking time to update the value from two to one to two to one for such an uncommon piece of furniture. literally only five percent of the values on there should be updated if the department stays. it is a waste of manpower and a make-work project to update values that people will be lenient on (someone worth one or two credits and hardly ever traded) or that are easy to verify in the marketplace. i remember when i worked in rare values there was a call to stop adding 'seasonals' or 'collections' to the page as habbo was churning out one after another yet they are updated monthly and sometimes weekly by someone who really has no accurate way of deciding is something is worth one or two credits. if you want to do rare values, stick to the things that people really care about. you know, the rares. no one needs to be updating the value of a norm or a collection item that is worth a pittance that furniture shop owners and the marketplace will govern without any work from habbox at all.

This is actually wrong, although to some it would seem right if taken at face value. I know when I was rare values staff then manager (and just from general trading right until last year) that seasonal/miscellaneous items are actually a big concern for younger traders who are the ones most likely to use a site such as Habbox for help with rares. With seasonals such as recoloured Iced/Area and so on, some are actually rather rare and thus are not up for sale in the marketplace - which leads many newer traders which have these items wonder what these items are actually worth.

If anything, the seasonal items (especially when you take into account the sheer numbers of how many different types there are now) are an asset to the rare values page - back when I started we must've had under a thousand rares and we knew most of them, it is impossible for anybody to name all the furniture now let alone the seasonals and limited edition.

[Samantha]

lawrawrrr; -Danube-;

The Head reporters have to update at least 40 values per week and at least 75% of them must be approved (so at least 30) this has been the same since I took a managment position almost a year ago but I wasn't sure what it was when I had my first spat in the department in 2010. When we had Head rare values reporters such as Mintson18 and Mr-Trainor to name a couple we were having about 100+ values to update per week, I was the single manager at the time therefore couldn't keep on top of the workload and of course I was the only one who could do it or who would do it (cough danube ;)). Anyway, since those both resigned there are less updates being done but more being done by the managers per say, I try to aim to update about 100-200 per week (seeing as I've tried harder to become a bit more active in the department myself) and many of these are done by looking at the rares list, the marketplace and trades I have witnessed myself - those Seasonals released into the Catalogue gave an excuse to update a lot of values due to them being stable at the current time. I do agree with -:Undertaker:-; too as the Seasonal rares are one of the few things that keeps the values going as they are mainly needed throughout the year, their values change dramatically sometimes and of course there are so many of them!

Now reiterating the fact of Head reporters, I feel they do a sufficient amount per week, in theory 40 values is equivalent to an Experts minimum of 10 reports (4 values per report) which I suppose could be upped more but some usually do more than that anyway - we have to consider that auffant1; is the only Head at the moment and he does an amazing job at creating sprites and uploading them too. When I first begun in the management of rares I found that not a lot of heads did upload and such as Danube said, I think this was due to an outdated Handbook (as it was still saying the panel was on davzy.com) and even I didn't even know how to upload due to never being told or asked to. We push a lot more now and although we don't say it's compulsory I think many feel that it's an added incentive to the job because some reporters returned just to create sprites and such too.

For v7 I want to expand Rare Values, I have big plans and a lot of ideas that I hope can be implemented, with the plans I have I feel it could be easier to search and navigate through the panel and also be able to do more with it itself.

[Phil]

For the record, I don't use it now as I no longer use Habbo but when I did play I used the RV regularly. Although, just throwing it out there, I did rather it the old way!

[-Danube-]

HRVR, ERVR and RVR all have suffiecient minimums, it all works great for updating values. The fact is that the values are used much less often a team of people should be put together to aim at the content side of things, doesn't have to be a huge team but i still think its required and it needs to be separate from the values side of things. HRVRs do alot of work, adding even more work onto them (getting them to add loads of furniture images every week etc) is giving them too much really.

So basically my ideas for V7 would be to leave the actual values side as is but try and move forward with content, this can easily be achieved by forming a content team in the department.

I feel like i am repeating myself so i'm gonna shut up now.

[jasey]

I would say myself, that Habbox values still have a role to play even if the role is much less important than it used to be with the introduction of the marketplace. The marketplace is open to manipulation whereas Habbox is a more trustworthy system - rarer items especially can easily be put at random prices which makes sense for Habbox to be there as a guide for both super rares and seasonal rares (which I explain below). I would also add that, if the values department were abolished (even if it did serve no purpose) it would greatly impact the forum and site itself - as departments are wound down it no doubt has an effect on user activity and to simply abolish it when there are still people willing to carry out the jobs would be like shooting yourself in the foot.

My major qualm with Habbox values - I attempted to change this when I was manager the first time around and the second time, was to greatly expand the department because we were frankly sinking under the sheer number of rares that were being released and needed updating. The first department I was under had, at its maximum (back in 2007 was it not?) around 30 staff members - since then I don't think it has once surpassed this number despite the workload more than doubling and then doubling again. I don't know the exact numbers of the department now, but I know during my second time there were staff limits on numbers of staff I could hire - with constant roadblocks being put in front of me to solve this. How the department manages now with what I guess is under 20 staff members is beyond me frankly. If this is to be solved, then the department needs to be greatly expanded just to its able to manage with such a workload and so that the manager isn't doing most of the work (which I had to go out myself at times and get super values which I knew had changed but which were being overlooked simply because of the sheer number of rares that reporters had to report).

It still serves a purpose, but how it can possibly carry out such a massive task with its current numbers covering thousands of rares is beyond me.



This is actually wrong, although to some it would seem right if taken at face value. I know when I was rare values staff then manager (and just from general trading right until last year) that seasonal/miscellaneous items are actually a big concern for younger traders who are the ones most likely to use a site such as Habbox for help with rares. With seasonals such as recoloured Iced/Area and so on, some are actually rather rare and thus are not up for sale in the marketplace - which leads many newer traders which have these items wonder what these items are actually worth.

If anything, the seasonal items (especially when you take into account the sheer numbers of how many different types there are now) are an asset to the rare values page - back when I started we must've had under a thousand rares and we knew most of them, it is impossible for anybody to name all the furniture now let alone the seasonals and limited edition.

it doesn't apply now, daniel. it hasn't applied for a long time. do you really think maintaining values for bensalem and savannah furniture is nothing more than an unproductive session of busywork? it isn't even worth the bandwidth it costs habbox to host the sprites. i might mention that you haven't been in the department for a very long time. times change, baby boo.

[-:Undertaker:-]

it doesn't apply now, daniel. it hasn't applied for a long time. do you really think maintaining values for bensalem and savannah furniture is nothing more than an unproductive session of busywork? it isn't even worth the bandwidth it costs habbox to host the sprites.

It does actually, logically think about it - and i've seen it in help desks and trade rooms. If you have an item (or if a newer member has acquired an item) of seasonal furniture which is rare and barely ever on marketplace, then you won't know the price because these items are never listed as much as popular normal rares such as Ambers/Petal Patches and Samovars. This leads to a lot of them either underselling their rare or trying to oversell it of which other newer players often fall for it.

So if Habbox is to act as a guide against the marketplace, it's strength will be in areas which the marketplace doesn't cover.


i might mention that you haven't been in the department for a very long time. times change, baby boo.

I understand the post-marketplace rares market, whether i'm in the department anymore or not is completely irrelevant.

[jasey]

It does actually, logically think about it - and i've seen it in help desks and trade rooms. If you have an item (or if a newer member has acquired an item) of seasonal furniture which is rare and barely ever on marketplace, then you won't know the price because these items are never listed as much as popular normal rares such as Ambers/Petal Patches and Samovars. This leads to a lot of them either underselling their rare or trying to oversell it of which other newer players often fall for it.

So if Habbox is to act as a guide against the marketplace, it's strength will be in areas which the marketplace doesn't cover.



I understand the post-marketplace rares market, whether i'm in the department anymore or not is completely irrelevant.
if it's so irrelevant then you wouldn't be trumping it like it makes your opinion worth double or shine with gold or whatever. you would have left it out of this thread. even just said you worked in the department, not WHENNNN IIII WASSSS MANAGERRRRRRR.

anyways, yeah, no — when there is actually time going in to changing the value of a furniture barely traded and not for habbox price when it is between one and two credits then you know something is wrong.

[Zelda]

It does actually, logically think about it - and i've seen it in help desks and trade rooms. If you have an item (or if a newer member has acquired an item) of seasonal furniture which is rare and barely ever on marketplace, then you won't know the price because these items are never listed as much as popular normal rares such as Ambers/Petal Patches and Samovars. This leads to a lot of them either underselling their rare or trying to oversell it of which other newer players often fall for it.

So if Habbox is to act as a guide against the marketplace, it's strength will be in areas which the marketplace doesn't cover.



I understand the post-marketplace rares market, whether i'm in the department anymore or not is completely irrelevant.

Sorry but simply put whatever the mp value is the values we get our based upon it anyway, as a veteran mercher myself I know that 9 cases out of 10 u sell -1c from mp value now.to get best money, therefore since reports come directly from shop values effectively ur effectively getting values based upon mp anyway. Simply put doesn't matter if mp average had become rigged, you can atill sell at the new rigged price because simply put, if a buyer doesnt like your price they can **** off, therefore there's no point saying the values are useful when mp is rigged cause quite frankly people will be selling with new rigged price till its fixed anyway.

[LiquidLuck.]

I use Habbox to check all prizes in rares. S:

[Samantha]

It does actually, logically think about it - and i've seen it in help desks and trade rooms. If you have an item (or if a newer member has acquired an item) of seasonal furniture which is rare and barely ever on marketplace, then you won't know the price because these items are never listed as much as popular normal rares such as Ambers/Petal Patches and Samovars. This leads to a lot of them either underselling their rare or trying to oversell it of which other newer players often fall for it.

So if Habbox is to act as a guide against the marketplace, it's strength will be in areas which the marketplace doesn't cover.



I understand the post-marketplace rares market, whether i'm in the department anymore or not is completely irrelevant.

Agree to a point with Seasonals, however, if someone has acquried a rare they can just click 'put in marketplace' to get an average. I know I would often use the values on Habbox if I needed a furni not in mp so that's like what you were saying too :D.

[Pigperson]

Btw thanks for the feedback. The marketplace is making the job difficult but I still feel there are things that Rare Values offer which are appreciated by users. We are taking the feedback into account to make sure our values are more up to date as well as adding furni quickly.

Our list of coding requests is huge, we have big ideas for V7 so hopefully that will enhance our role at Habbox :P

Will