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-:Undertaker:-
19-06-2012, 12:15 PM
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/davidhughes/100166386/at-last-we-know-who-is-to-blame-for-the-eurozone-meltdown-its-the-americans/

At last we know who is to blame for the eurozone meltdown – it’s the Americans!


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2012/06/barroso_1710482c.jpg
"We are without sin"


The pressure is starting to tell. At the G20 summit in Mexico Jose Manuel Barroso, the President of the European Council, finally lost it. Asked by a Canadian journalist to explain why North Americans should "risk their assets to help Europe" (not an unfair question, in the circumstances), Barroso replied:


Frankly, we are not here to receive lessons in terms of democracy or in terms of how to handle the economy. This crisis was not originated in Europe… seeing as you mention North America, this crisis originated in North America and much of our financial sector was contaminated by, how can I put it, unorthodox practices, from some sectors of the financial market.

Dear me. The eurozone crisis is threatening to drag down the entire global economy and all we get from the EU’s most senior bureaucrat is a hissy-fit. Barroso’s outburst is actually a perfect illustration of the EU elite’s warped and resentful view of the world’s largest economy. The last time I heard anything like this was when Gordon Brown was still in charge and insisted on reminding us ad nauseam that the credit crunch was an American phenomenon, as though British banks were a model of fiscal probity. Barroso and his chums are convinced they are the victims of this crisis, not its architects. The creation of a monetary union without a fiscal and political union, as well as the way the rules were cynically and systematically twisted to allow countries like Greece to join, have conspired to cause this slo-mo train wreck. Yet Barroso claims it was all about jiggery-pokery by some Americian banks. This stupendous level of self-delusion is truly depressing. If the EU’s leaders believe this stuff, they haven’t a hope in hell of resolving this crisis.

Of course it is Barroso! I mean, it's not as if the EU made the stupid decision of creating a common currency before fiscal and political union now is it? it's not as if the EU forced numerous countries into the Euro against the wishes of the people in those countries is it? the man is utterly mad.

Secondly, the 'ex-maoist' says he's not there to be lectured on democracy ... well considering he, Herman Van Rompuy and the rest of the EU Commission are unelected.. that doesn't come as a surprise.

I'll just post a few of the comments;


This President who has not received the democratic mandate from the peoples of Europe is hardly one able or justified to lecture the G20 or the USA on the principles of democracy.

This former Maoist Communist is probably one of the biggest threats to Global peace and western economic security in our time.


"Frankly, we are not here to receive lessons in terms of democracy or in terms of how to handle the economy"

No. We are just here for your money. Hand it over, please. My colleague Mme Lagarde is organising the collection, so please leave your contribution in the large bag she has helpfully brought along.


He was quite restrained really. He usually blames everything on all anglo-saxons.


Barroso:

"Frankly, we are not here to receive lessons in terms of democracy or in terms of how to handle the economy."

How this unelected, ex communist (Maoist), economicaly illiterate pygmie has the rind to make that statement is quite simply breathtaking.

And what the hell is he doing at the G20 junket for World LEADERS?

Without exception, all the other leaders have had to go through some sort of election, even if they are somewhat flaky. This Portuguese nobody on £300,000+ Tax free has no right to be saying anything to anyone, until I and 300 million other Europeans have some sort of say in whether he should hold the office of President of the European Council or not.


The bunker mentality of Barroso.

Thoughts?

jasey
19-06-2012, 04:05 PM
i have always been in favour of the eurozone and the currency union but it was always my position that membership be a bit mor exclusive. it was frown after frown as news came over the years of another deadweight country being admitted or starting the application. the founding member list also includes a few countries that should not be there. why are all these countries joining or starting the process to join? for the sake of another name on the list showing how much europe loves the idea. it's a great idea, just not for challenged nations. there are plenty of countries strong enough to be part of this. there are just as many that aren't.

regarding these comments, i hope he is talking about america and not north america. the canadian banking system is consistently and overwhelmingly praised and named the safest banking system in the western world. canada is part of north america too so perhaps he was just being vague using the continent instead of the countyr but it kind of leaves you wondering. i mean, there are a couple dozen countries in north america. i feel he wasn't very specific. i've always been iffy about jose, though what he says does have some truth to it, it is mostly unbased and unclarified. he isn't a leader. his country never, ever, ever should have been allowed in to the eurozone.

-:Undertaker:-
19-06-2012, 07:59 PM
i have always been in favour of the eurozone and the currency union but it was always my position that membership be a bit mor exclusive. it was frown after frown as news came over the years of another deadweight country being admitted or starting the application. the founding member list also includes a few countries that should not be there. why are all these countries joining or starting the process to join? for the sake of another name on the list showing how much europe loves the idea. it's a great idea, just not for challenged nations. there are plenty of countries strong enough to be part of this. there are just as many that aren't.

But I just cannot understand how you can still say it is a good idea. Both the Latin Monetary Union and the Eurozone monetary union have shown us that monetary union cannot work unless you have a fiscal union.. and with fiscal union you must have political union for fiscal union to work. If you support the idea of a Euro currency, you have to support both of them - which in turn means supporting the abolition of France.

Secondly on the debt issue (because its separate from the main cause which is the structure) - it's true in what you say that monetary union would have lasted longer (not worked better, because it still lacked what I mentioned above) had the southern European nations been excluded. However, look at the debts of France - you would have given the Euro maybe an extra few years at most before France, Austria and Ireland also went bust.

The whole thing is an unworkable disaster, time to revive the Franc.

dbgtz
19-06-2012, 09:29 PM
i have always been in favour of the eurozone and the currency union but it was always my position that membership be a bit mor exclusive. it was frown after frown as news came over the years of another deadweight country being admitted or starting the application. the founding member list also includes a few countries that should not be there. why are all these countries joining or starting the process to join? for the sake of another name on the list showing how much europe loves the idea. it's a great idea, just not for challenged nations. there are plenty of countries strong enough to be part of this. there are just as many that aren't.

regarding these comments, i hope he is talking about america and not north america. the canadian banking system is consistently and overwhelmingly praised and named the safest banking system in the western world. canada is part of north america too so perhaps he was just being vague using the continent instead of the countyr but it kind of leaves you wondering. i mean, there are a couple dozen countries in north america. i feel he wasn't very specific. i've always been iffy about jose, though what he says does have some truth to it, it is mostly unbased and unclarified. he isn't a leader. his country never, ever, ever should have been allowed in to the eurozone.

I think it's just been proven that a common currency is more effort than it's worth to sustain with the inevitable failure being a much larger hit.

Also at the American point, according to Farage it's North America not the USA.

GommeInc
19-06-2012, 09:40 PM
The problem may of originated in North America, but the Eurozone did not immune itself like the vast majority of other countries out there. Plus in order for the Euro to work it would first need to demolish individual states and their economies in order to effectively control a single currency - but in order to do that it would have to go against one of the fundamental, establishing rules in the Treaty of Rome to protect democracy and individual member states. Therefore, it would have to break more important rules in order to protect its useless currency.

I don't see how a hissy-fit is going to solve anything, but that's the EU and the Eurozone for you - lots of hissy-fits and no actual work.

Also, he needs a strong lesson in democracy from America and Canada.

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