dogs and muzzles

[Richie]

My mate has a staffordshire bull terrier and although the dog wouldn't harm a fly (literally) by law it has to wear a muzzle. I know it's only a dog but it's like saying your dog may bite someone so we are going to put a mask on his face. If men went around kicking children in the head, I don't think we would resort to embedding cylinder blocks to every mans legs.

I just think muzzles are dumb in general. If a dog is vicious it should be the owners responsibility to put a muzzle on it. My other friend has a boxer and he bites everything he sees, he admits his dog is vicious but by law his dog doesn't have to wear a muzzle yet it could do equally amount of damage.


What's your thoughts on dogs and muzzles?

[Empired]

I have a dog and I would be pretty upset if she had to wear a muzzle (although she's only about 30cm tall and half shih-tzu half miniature poodle :L).

It's horrible to call a certain type of dog "dangerous" just because it was born a certain breed. And loads of little children come up and stroke my dog, but if she was wearing a muzzle I'm sure people would actually cross the street to stay away from her.

Just like children, a dog will only bite if it's been trained badly.

[MKR&*42]

I certainly don't find it fair that by law a specific dog breed must have a muzzle on it, just because it's of that breed it doesn't mean it will be any more aggressive than let's say... a rottweiler. Generalising like that isn't fair IMO and I agree it should be the owner's responsibility to determine whether their dog is vicious or not (even though most pet owners don't have a clue how to properly look after pets :rolleyes:). My dog has had a muzzle on him a few times but not anymore. He has something to restrict how fast he walks (because he's incredibly strong :L) but I don't put that on him.

[Catchy]

It's okay you saying it wouldn't hurt a fly it's been well trained and what not but that's not always the case Richie. It only takes one thing for them to snap. My sisters dad had a dog (can't remember the type just known to be really vicious). They said "oh he's so well behaved will never bite, so well trained" then one day out of the blue... Attacked his girlfriend out of nowhere.

[Matt]

I think that you should put a muzzle on a dangerous dog but should be left up to the owner. If a dog is a rough breed but wouldn't actually hurt anything/one i think it shouldn't have to wear one. But then the owner should be prepared to put one on if their dog causes trouble. Just my opinion though.

[Catchy]

I think that you should put a muzzle on a dangerous dog but should be left up to the owner. If a dog is a rough breed but wouldn't actually hurt anything/one i think it shouldn't have to wear one. But then the owner should be prepared to put one on if their dog causes trouble. Just my opinion though.

Of course it should... They're assumed dangerous for a reason. It isn't a law just for jokez. Like I said in my previous post, it could be fine for years never hurt a fly then it could just switch and rip someones face off... Ooops

[David]

When I had a dog we put a muzzle on him as a puppy because he was chewing everything in the house. we found it ripped apart an hour later

i dont think it should be up to law, even then why would you get a dog that's known for dangerous acts in the first place?

[SackRace]

don't like dogs horrible things, cats ftw

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[Richie]

It's okay you saying it wouldn't hurt a fly it's been well trained and what not but that's not always the case Richie. It only takes one thing for them to snap. My sisters dad had a dog (can't remember the type just known to be really vicious). They said "oh he's so well behaved will never bite, so well trained" then one day out of the blue... Attacked his girlfriend out of nowhere.

I could turn around in the next hour and kill my entire family and if i did do you think people of my age, my height, my nationality would have to be treated differently? I know this sounds mad because we look at animals as 'OH ITS A DOG THIS GUYS NUTS' but that's only because we have been raised to think like that. I'm far from an animal lover, I don't think i'd get a dog again but i like to think animals, insects and other species adapt to things somewhat like humans.

[Catchy]

You can't compare a dogs behaviour to human behaviour... Lmao :S

[Kyle]

The law does require the second dog you mentioned to be muzzled. If the owner knows that it could potentially bite people or go out of control in public then they need to muzzle it. IDK if this applies to ireland but it certainly is the case in the UK and really is common sense.

I think the law is quite accurate on this occasion. If a particular breed of dog is known to be dangerous (because of it being bred as a fighting dog, for example), then even if its owner has trained it perfectly, there's always that off chance that it could go absolutely mental and gobble up some poor little girl's face. It has happened before, hence the rules being there now.

[Richie]

You can't compare a dogs behaviour to human behaviour... Lmao :S

That's my question though, why can't we? because that's how society teaches us to think.

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The law does require the second dog you mentioned to be muzzled. If the owner knows that it could potentially bite people or go out of control in public then they need to muzzle it. IDK if this applies to ireland but it certainly is the case in the UK and really is common sense.

I think the law is quite accurate on this occasion. If a particular breed of dog is known to be dangerous (because of it being bred as a fighting dog, for example), then even if its owner has trained it perfectly, there's always that off chance that it could go absolutely mental and gobble up some poor little girl's face. It has happened before, hence the rules being there now.

Lets lock up all black man because a vast majority of them are known to be thieves. We wouldn't want to risk the chance of a black man raping a girl or robbing a bank now could we.


Don't you get were i'm coming from?

[Catchy]

That's my question though, why can't we? because that's how society teaches us to think.

Okay then we will scrap the rule who needs it, pointless isn't it really? Then one day an incompetent dog owner will think, mmm I don't need one of these things. Attacks someone. Don't understand how people can say it isn't a necessary law. They are dangerous!

[Richie]

Okay then we will scrap the rule who needs it, pointless isn't it really? Then one day an incompetent dog owner will think, mmm I don't need one of these things. Attacks someone. Don't understand how people can say it isn't a necessary law. They are dangerous!

Then they should be held responsible for keeping a dangerous dog and allowing it to go out in public without thinking of peoples safety first.

[Catchy]

Then they should be held responsible for keeping a dangerous dog and allowing it to go out in public without thinking of peoples safety first.

However it wouldn't of needed to happen in the first place. Laws are in place for a good reason Richie they don't just come up with these laws lightly.

[Red]

Then they should be held responsible for keeping a dangerous dog and allowing it to go out in public without thinking of peoples safety first.
They do...... and I think its better to have these safety precautions in place before some innocent person has its face ripped off by one of these dogs. They are banned for a reason! Just because your friends dog wouldn't harm a fly, doesn't mean others are like that. Plus you hear time and time again of dogs who people thought they were well trained and then turned nasty.

[Richie]

However it wouldn't of needed to happen in the first place. Laws are in place for a good reason Richie they don't just come up with these laws lightly.

A lot of crimes humans commit could be prevented but the law waits until the damage is done, so why should that be different for animals?

[Catchy]

A lot of crimes humans commit could be prevented but the law waits until the damage is done, so why should that be different for animals?

You've sort of contradicted yourself there lol. A lot of dog attacks could of been prevented in the past and then o wait, a law was enforced. It's not different.

[Richie]

They do...... and I think its better to have these safety precautions in place before some innocent person has its face ripped off by one of these dogs. They are banned for a reason! Just because your friends dog wouldn't harm a fly, doesn't mean others are like that. Plus you hear time and time again of dogs who people thought they were well trained and then turned nasty.

Which is why it should be up to the owner to take responsibility not the law. A man across the road from me was apparently really nice, friend and wouldn't have a bad thing to say to anyone. One night he killed his parents and left them in the house for days until neighbours found them. Should precautions be put in place for humans too? You're all very naive.

[Catchy]

Richie you how can you compare human behaviour to dog behaviour?!!!!!! I have to leave this thread it's annoying me now

[DPS]

Well i have a Half Staffie/Half Pitbull.

Never will i put a muzzle on him, my dog will only attack someone that trys to harm someone in my close family... Other than that hes a family dog.
Yeah i do take him out with me .. just so people dont try anything with me.

Police have never asked me to muzzle him.. ive had police hold him on the lead while ive been searched and they always comment on how well trained he is.

[Richie]

You've sort of contradicted yourself there lol. A lot of dog attacks could of been prevented in the past and then o wait, a law was enforced. It's not different.

How have I contradicted myself? Humans aren't sent to jail until found guilty. Can you imagine if knife crime with teens your age was a huge problem in your area so a new law was enforced, anyone of a certain age had to wear monitors. Would that be fair?

[Red]

So what, a rogue animal is on the loose that has the potential to kill and you think it should be allowed to do that before action is taken? And yes, I do think human life is more important than a dog's. Humans have reason and understand the law and know they are committing a crime. Do dogs?

[Catchy]

So what, a rogue animal is on the loose that has the potential to kill and you think it should be allowed to do that before action is taken? And yes, I do think human life is more important than a dog's.

Spot on!!

[DPS]

Tbh nothing sure be caged also imo, or stopped from doing what it wants to do.. who says that we as a human race should be in charge?

[Catchy]

Tbh nothing sure be caged also imo, or stopped from doing what it wants to do.. who says that we as a human race should be in charge?

get a grip.

[Richie]

So what, a rogue animal is on the loose that has the potential to kill and you think it should be allowed to do that before action is taken? And yes, I do think human life is more important than a dog's.

No, the owner of the pet should have the common sense and put a muzzle on the dog if it's vicious.

Running loose? My friends dog is always on the lead and even whilst on the lead by law he still needs a muzzle.

[Catchy]

No, the owner of the pet should have the common sense and put a muzzle on the dog if it's vicious.

Running loose? My friends dog is always on the lead and even whilst on the lead by law he still needs a muzzle.

Erm Richie, this is what me and Kirst are trying to say... I don't know if you're just being ignorant or you just aren't understanding. Some dogs are not deemed vicious by their owners but it only takes one person to rub it up the wrong way and it may rip their face off.

Oh and we're not talking about your friends dog... That's just ONE dog, we're talking about all of them. Plus I've walked past vicious dogs like that on a lead and they'd easily be able to bite me you see their owners struggling to tame them.

[DPS]

Mine is always on a harness then a lead :) harness so i can lift him if another dog comes near him. he doesnt like other dogs lol.

[Red]

As Jake said, some owners can think their dog is fine and well trained and then it turns?
No I mean any animal that is running free and a danger. You are basically saying it should be allowed to kill someone before action is taken against it.. lol

[Catchy]

I don't even know why anyone would want one of those vile ugly things anyway, eurg.

[Richie]

Humans have reason and understand the law and know they are committing a crime. Do dogs?

If we can teach dogs not to pee inside, sit, beg, roll over, then of course if trained correctly they know what's right and wrong.

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As Jake said, some owners can think their dog is fine and well trained and then it turns?
No I mean any animal that is running free and a danger. You are basically saying it should be allowed to kill someone before action is taken against it.. lol


I never said that, I said it should be up to the owner to decide whether they believe their dog needs a muzzle or not. Yes of course the odd dogs may turn around and bite someone even if they're friendly but similar things happen in our little 'perfect' world.

[Catchy]

If we can teach dogs not to pee inside, sit, beg, roll over, then of course if trained correctly they know what's right and wrong.

Sure you could but are all going to stick to it? No. It's a danger and the laws enforced to reduce that danger, like kirst said I don't know how you can think that's wrong.

[Red]

Do dogs have reason and the capability to understand the law that you are subject under? No they do not so why on earth should it apply to them! Not all dogs are able to be trained. Dogs can get jealous over babies and attack them? It's wrong to attack bite innocent people but their animal instincts take over.

[Richie]

Sure you could but are all going to stick to it? No. It's a danger and the laws enforced to reduce that danger, like kirst said I don't know how you can think that's wrong.

Would this scenario be fair? or are you going to play the 'we are humans' card

If knife crime with teens your age was a huge problem in your area so a new law was enforced, anyone of a certain age had to wear monitors.



Do dogs have reason and the capability to understand the law that you are subject under? No they do not so why on earth should it apply to them! Not all dogs are able to be trained. Dogs can get jealous over babies and attack them? It's wrong to attack bite innocent people but their animal instincts take over.

The only law a dog needs to understand is not to bite and when being trained as a pup they should be thought that anyway. All dogs are able to be trained, owners just give up and believe their dog is incapable of understanding them and their rules. Dogs will get jealous, it isn't only just because of a baby, you can train them not to be.

If we can train animals such as lions not to bite humans I don't think we would have a problem training a dog not to bite.

[Catchy]

Would this scenario be fair? or are you going to play the 'we are humans' card

If knife crime with teens your age was a huge problem in your area so a new law was enforced, anyone of a certain age had to wear monitors.




The only law a dog needs to understand is not to bite and when being trained as a pup they should be thought that anyway. All dogs are able to be trained, owners just give up and believe their dog is incapable of understanding them and their rules. Dogs will get jealous, it isn't only just because of a baby, you can train them not to be.

If we can train animals such as lions not to bite humans I don't think we would have a problem training a dog not to bite.

Yes Richie I am going to play the we are humans card because that scenario is absolutely ridiculous.

Seatbelts are the law Richie, saves lifes. It's like you saying "It should be up to us if we want to wear a seatbelt". No it's a LAW and they're in place for good reasons. I feel like this is going nowhere and we are repeating ourselves.

[Richie]

Yes Richie I am going to play the we are humans card because that scenario is absolutely ridiculous.

Seatbelts are the law Richie, saves lifes. It's like you saying "It should be up to us if we want to wear a seatbelt". No it's a LAW and they're in place for good reasons. I feel like this is going nowhere and we are repeating ourselves.

How is putting a seatbelt around you to protect YOUR LIFE and a muzzle that is stuck on your face with force to protect OTHERS similar? If someone was to strap a muzzle to my face the only thing it would do to me is make me vicious.

The seatbelt thing is a different topic altogether but just while we are on it I don't believe it's right for the law to tell me when I should protect myself. When I get into a car I put the seatbelt on me for my protection not because someone in a suit told me to.

[Red]

A dog can't understand that it isn't allowed to bite :S You clearly cannot fathom the fact, that no matter how well trained a dog is, they can have a change of temperment. My mums and her sisters dog was fine and friendly growing up, until me and my cousins were born and it got jealous and attacked my cousin. The law is in place because these type of dogs were causing serious injury and death to people? And yes I will play the human card because I value human life over a dogs and don't think the two are equal. Thankfully the government aren't stupid enough to put their faith in training all dogs not to bite. You might not care about 'the odd dogs' that 'may turn around and bite someone even if they're friendly.' But the majority care about peoples safety and feel a lot happier with the law in place.

[Catchy]

How is putting a seatbelt around you to protect YOUR LIFE and a muzzle that is stuck on your face with force to protect OTHERS similar? If someone was to strap a muzzle to my face the only thing it would do to me is make me vicious.

The seatbelt thing is a different topic altogether but just while we are on it I don't believe it's right for the law to tell me when I should protect myself. When I get into a car I put the seatbelt on me for my protection not because someone in a suit told me to.

Meaning the two laws are in place for a VERY good reason. To protect, do you not understand that? You're saying the odd dog may bite but the owner should have known it was a threat me and Kirst are saying sometimes that doesn't matter they can change. I'd like to hear you tell your argument to one of the poor victims families, I'm sure they wouldn't be roaring for this law to be abolished.

[Richie]

A dog can't understand that it isn't allowed to bite :S You clearly cannot fathom the fact, that no matter how well trained a dog is, they can have a change of temperment. My mums and her sisters dog was fine and friendly growing up, until me and my cousins were born and it got jealous and attacked my cousin. The law is in place because these type of dogs were causing serious injury and death to people? And yes I will play the human card because I value human life over a dogs and don't think the two are equal. Thankfully the government aren't stupid enough to put their faith in training all dogs not to bite. You might not care about 'the odd dogs' that 'may turn around and bite someone even if they're friendly.' But the majority care about peoples safety and feel a lot happier with the law in place.

Training a dog works, it's fact. I think humans who think like yourself are selfish. Just because a dog may not be as intelligent as a human it doesn't mean their life is any less than ours. I don't want to wait for a dog to attack before it gets put down, I'm comparing it to our laws.

I don't want to be part of a cult that cares about nothing else but humanity.

[Red]

How is putting a seatbelt around you to protect YOUR LIFE and a muzzle that is stuck on your face with force to protect OTHERS similar? If someone was to strap a muzzle to my face the only thing it would do to me is make me vicious.

The seatbelt thing is a different topic altogether but just while we are on it I don't believe it's right for the law to tell me when I should protect myself. When I get into a car I put the seatbelt on me for my protection not because someone in a suit told me to.

Seat belts aren't just there to protect your life but the other people around you.


Training a dog works, it's fact. I think humans who think like yourself are selfish. Just because a dog may not be as intelligent as a human it doesn't mean their life is any less than ours. I don't want to wait for a dog to attack before it gets put down, I'm comparing it to our laws.

I don't want to be part of a cult that cares about nothing else but humanity.

Well no its not a fact because there is plenty of well trained dogs who go on to bite. FACT I don't just care about humanity? Just because I think that, doesn't mean I agree with animals should be treated with cruelty.

[Richie]

Meaning the two laws are in place for a VERY good reason. To protect, do you not understand that? You're saying the odd dog may bite but the owner should have known it was a threat me and Kirst are saying sometimes that doesn't matter they can change. I'd like to hear you tell your argument to one of the poor victims families, I'm sure they wouldn't be roaring for this law to be abolished.

As I said to kirst I don't want to wait for a dog to attack before it gets put down, I'm comparing it to our laws.

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Seat belts aren't just there to protect your life but the other people around you.



Well no its not a fact because there is plenty of well trained dogs who go on to bite. FACT I don't just care about humanity? Just because I think that, doesn't mean I agree with animals should be treated with cruelty.

And strapping a mask to a dogs face even though they did nothing wrong isn't cruel?

[Catchy]

Well at the end of the day imo the law is there for a good reason.

[Red]

As I said to kirst I don't want to wait for a dog to attack before it gets put down, I'm comparing it to our laws.

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And strapping a mask to a dogs face even though they did nothing wrong isn't cruel?

Pretty sure it doesn't hurt them and if it's saving innocent people from being seriously injured or killed then I support it.

[Richie]

Pretty sure it doesn't hurt them and if it's saving innocent people from being seriously injured or killed then I support it.

Let me strap a muzzle to your face and see how nice it feels, we can see if you feel like you're being mistreated.

To sum things up I don't agree with muzzles unless a dog is vicious and for the government to make the laws so it is only for a specific breed isn't exactly fair. Jack russles are vicious little ******s and just because they can't do much damage doesn't mean they should be exempt from wearing muzzles.

[Empired]

Haven't read through all of this thread 'cause it's so long, but I just realised that there are more gang attacks than dog attacks.
And when a dog bites someone, it gets put down. When a cat bites someone, it's just being a cat? I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS.

[Catchy]

Richie do you even own a dog? LMAO? Oh also BamitsElfie!; never heard of a cat killing someone... Hardly considered dangerous now are they?

[Empired]

Catchy; my cat bit my grandma, it got infected and she spent two nights in hospital. Whoops.

[Richie]

Richie do you even own a dog? LMAO?

Not currently but I did have a few dogs and I was one of those owners who believed my dog couldn't be trained. I got my dog from a dog home, he was vicious when we first brought him home but after time he was gradually learning and getting better, then I had to get rid of him.

[Catchy]

Catchy; my cat bit my grandma, it got infected and she spent two nights in hospital. Whoops.

Chances of that happening though to most people???????? Rare.
Richie; why did you get rid of him?

[Empired]

Chances of that happening though to most people???????? Rare.

Changes of dogs biting most people???????? Equally rare.

Sure, a few dogs are dangerous, but so are cars and trains, but we have them everywhere? Should we muzzle a train?

[Richie]

I just did, cba speaking about it again.

[Catchy]

I just did, cba speaking about it again.

No need to get pissy with me lmao

[Red]

Lol? So you think I am wrong for valuing peoples safety over an animal wearing a muzzle. Quite surprised you think this, yet you sit and willingly support animals being murdered for your consumption of meat.
When is a dog classed as vicious? When it finally attacks someone? Don't really think they should be waiting for people to get hurt before it can finally have a muzzle placed on it. It is in place for those dogs since majority of attacks were by them. As for jack russels or other small dogs, lets hope the owners are wise enough to muzzle it too if it is viscious.

[Richie]

I'm not lol.. I just don't want to chat about it as it isn't relevant sheesh

[Catchy]

You got rid of it because it was too vicious I am guessing now you're sat here defending all dogs saying oh they're fineeeeeeee... LMAO what a JOKE.

Oh and someone please tell me what the hell is so nice and friendly about this

http://www.pitbullattack.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/pitbull-thumb-336x403.jpg

[Kyle]

People are held responsible for their pets' actions, sure, but the government are the ones held accountable if somebody has a lapse in judgement, their dog kills 15 infants and they play the "but there's no law against it!" card. This is why laws are made. A few dogs weren't picked at random from a hat and forced to wear muzzles... they have to because they are bred as dangerous dogs and, no matter how they are trained, that innate prey drive and aggression will still be there.

There are various ways in which human crime is reduced. The idea of attatching some sort of wireless monitor to everybody of a certain age is simply ludicrous - not to mention impractical! Asking owners to muzzle a dog deemed dangerous whilst in public is not.

Pets can be conditioned to perform tricks on their owner's request. They can't realistically be taught what is right and what is wrong in the eyes of the law and not every owner will teach their pet in the same way, so the only sufficient conclusion really is to avoid it happening alltogether by making people muzzle their dogs!

Normally it wouldn't be right to single out a particular group (of dogs) to apply a law to but in this case, where this type of dog has been proven to be vicious, the term "better safe than sorry" pretty much sums things up.

If a human is seen as a danger to himself or others then in many cases there are precautions taken to ensure safety all round. In mental hospitals, for example, if a patient is a threat then they are restrained. If a dog is seen as a threat, it should be muzzled. Simple.

[Empired]

http://images.theage.com.au/2009/04/14/474485/420-docklands2.jpg

It's not just dogs who aren't nice and friendly. Everyone has the power to be dangerous if they really want to be.

[Richie]

Yeah Jacob I got rid of my dog because he was extremely vicious.

[Kyle]

http://images.theage.com.au/2009/04/14/474485/420-docklands2.jpg

It's not just dogs who aren't nice and friendly. Everyone has the power to be dangerous if they really want to be.
People have a choice to deviate from what laws says is right, dogs don't.

[Catchy]

http://images.theage.com.au/2009/04/14/474485/420-docklands2.jpg

It's not just dogs who aren't nice and friendly. Everyone has the power to be dangerous if they really want to be.

I've just been reading a few articles about dangerous dogs. Here's what I read.


A pit bull is a fearless dog that will take on any opponent. They will lock their jaws onto the prey until it's dead. Pit bulls have a reputation of mauling people to death and they are highly sought for dog fighting.

Dogs most often make wonderful pets, however in certain circumstances, any type of dog can be dangerous. Even friendly dogs, can inflict great harm in the wrong circumstance.

Humans make decisions for themselves, we're not born and instantly it's in our nature to attack. Where as these vicious dogs, it's their nature and they can't differentiate between what's right and what's wrong. Where as a human can.

Oh and Richie; I can't believe how much you're contradicting yourself, I actually can't. You're saying every dog has the potential to be trained clearly yours didn't or you wouldn't have given it away.

[Empired]

People have a choice to deviate from what laws says is right, dogs don't.

Like I said earlier, if a dog is wearing a muzzle nobody wants to go near it because immediately they put it down as a murderer. This means that dog will get limited human contact and certainly no contact with human children (unless there is a child in the family) and even dog owners will not want their own dog near this "beast". How is a dog to learn how to behave if it's given no real-life scenarios?

And what about police dogs? Aren't they allowed to bite?

[Richie]

I've just been reading a few articles about dangerous dogs. Here's what I read.



Humans make decisions for themselves, we're not born and instantly it's in our nature to attack. Where as these vicious dogs, it's their nature and they can't differentiate between what's right and what's wrong. Where as a human can.

Oh and @Richie (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=51359); I can't believe how much you're contradicting yourself, I actually can't. You're saying every dog has the potential to be trained clearly yours didn't or you wouldn't have given it away.

Are you stupid? It was sarcasm

[Catchy]

Are you stupid? It was sarcasm

Urm what? I know you got rid of it because of that so why're you trying to make out like you didn't... LMAO

[Kyle]

afaik there are certain laws on housing a dog deemed dangerous over in ireland so i doubt it was a conscious choice to get rid

[Red]

Are you stupid? It was sarcasm

Well you have said your dog was viscous? Not all owners are capable of training their dogs properly, hence why they have to be given away. BamitsElfie!; I wouldn't be running up to one of those dogs anyway, especially if it didn't have a muzzle lol.

[Catchy]

There's a reason why those type of dogs are left at dog shelters because they're so ugly and vicious that nobody wants them and to be quite honest I'm not surprised, I wouldn't want one either.

[Empired]

There's a reason why those type of dogs are left at dog shelters because they're so ugly and vicious that nobody wants them and to be quite honest I'm not surprised, I wouldn't want one either.

Yeah I guess I wouldn't go to a dog shelter and choose a dog that with an eye missing, covered in scars and drooling absolutely everywhere, but some of the most well-behaved dogs I know have to wear muzzles by law. One of them has even won a Crufts award in the obedience trial!

I can see that's it's better to be safe than sorry, but if I owned a dog who really would never harm a fly who had to wear a muzzle, I would feel so embarrassed for him because that one thing he has to wear makes everybody hate him :( Maybe I'm taking this a little too far though omg

[Kyle]

A murderer? Vicious, maybe, but not quite that harsh of a label. If I ever see one of these dogs hobbling down the street towards me with its owner in tow I'm far less likely to be afraid if it snarls at me through the safety of a muzzle.

[Catchy]

Yeah I guess I wouldn't go to a dog shelter and choose a dog that with an eye missing, covered in scars and drooling absolutely everywhere, but some of the most well-behaved dogs I know have to wear muzzles by law. One of them has even won a Crufts award in the obedience trial!

I can see that's it's better to be safe than sorry, but if I owned a dog who really would never harm a fly who had to wear a muzzle, I would feel so embarrassed for him because that one thing he has to wear makes everybody hate him :( Maybe I'm taking this a little too far though omg

I can see your point but however you may think they're the most well behaved dogs but it's in their nature to be violent and could turn so at any point.

[Empired]

I can see your point but however you may think they're the most well behaved dogs but it's in their nature to be violent and could turn so at any point.

Ya. I'm still against muzzles but tbh nothing's gonna happen so whatever :¬:

[Stephen]

My dog is like attached to my mum's arse 24/7 and cries the house down when she goes out. If she bit anyone and my mum told her off for it she probably wouldn't open her mouth ever again. Not like she bites anyway, she normally just runs at someone barking then squeals and runs away if they bend down and say something to her

If it's a dangerous dog then I don't care if it's on a muzzle but the thing I don't like is when people lock their dogs in cages at night and stuff

[Eric]

didnt read all the posts but heres my opinion

i don't think all dogs should be muzzled by law. dogs bite when they are mishandled by their owner so if you have a vicious dog you just have to train them well and if their owner cant control their dangerous dogs then perhaps a muzzled should be used on them.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think it's another example of the state sticking its nose in.

That said, I know dogs can be dangerous - when people say they are harmless they are saying it from a owner/emotional perspective, not rational.

But no although theres risk, theres risk with everything in life.

[Paige.]

don't think it should be law, my personal opinion is that it should be the owner's responsibility and job to make sure their dog is controlled if they're violent

[-Sweex]

Some people on here spout a load of **.
Every Staffordshire bull terrier I have ever met has been really nice, I find dogs like Yorkshire terriers and other small dogs worse!
You cant classify a dangerous dog by a breed, thats like saying all British people are violent and all American people are annoying.

[Catchy]

Some people on here spout a load of **.
Every Staffordshire bull terrier I have ever met has been really nice, I find dogs like Yorkshire terriers and other small dogs worse!
You cant classify a dangerous dog by a breed, thats like saying all British people are violent and all American people are annoying.

Why are people comparing dogs to humans?

[-Sweex]

Why are people comparing dogs to humans?

So what if I am?
Why are you saying all dogs should be muzzled because there is a chance they could attack?
Yes there is a chance they could attack, but 99% of the time it's caused by a bad upbringing from the owner!

[Catchy]

So what if I am?
Why are you saying all dogs should be muzzled because there is a chance they could attack?
Yes there is a chance they could attack, but 99% of the time it's caused by a bad upbringing from the owner!

You jus' can't compare dog behaviour to human behaviour... I never said ALL dogs should be muzzled.

[-Sweex]

You jus' can't compare dog behaviour to human behaviour... I never said ALL dogs should be muzzled.

So what are you saying then?

[garriet]

i didn't read all the other posts but my view on this is that any dog that bites or can cause danger to other people should have a muzzle on it, people say that if the dog bites then thats down to the owner, i know this is not necessarily true but they could at least control their dog and put a muzzle on it.

i absolutely hate the stereotype on muzzles. my old dog used to eat everything that was on the ground, and she got really poorly from it, this resulted in her having to wear a muzzle when she went out for a walk to stop her eating random stuff. this lead to people being scared of her, and yes she was a staffy but doesn't mean she's going to bite people haha :(

[Catchy]

So what are you saying then?

I'm saying it obviously depends on the breed of dog. Obviously some breeds can do more damage than others and I wouldn't be prepared to take the chance.

[-Sweex]

I'm saying it obviously depends on the breed of dog. Obviously some breeds can do more damage than others and I wouldn't be prepared to take the chance.

That doesn't make sense - just because a dog has the potential to be stronger doesn't mean it is going to attack! Say a small staffy bites or hurts someone, it is going to do less damage than a great dane for example. Staffies and the like were bred for fighting which is why they are strong but the ones owned by responsible owners dont attack - the owners bring them up like any other dog and they behave like any other dog.

[Catchy]

That doesn't make sense - just because a dog has the potential to be stronger doesn't mean it is going to attack! Say a small staffy bites or hurts someone, it is going to do less damage than a great dane for example. Staffies and the like were bred for fighting which is why they are strong but the ones owned by responsible owners dont attack - the owners bring them up like any other dog and they behave like any other dog.

This is my point... In actual fact they do. You can't just say it's down to the owners. I know people who've had dogs for years bought them up really well and thought they'd never attack someone and oops guess what? One day they did.

[-Sweex]

This is my point... In actual fact they do. You can't just say it's down to the owners. I know people who've had dogs for years bought them up really well and thought they'd never attack someone and oops guess what? One day they did.

Then it comes down to was it provoked?

The point is you just because of a few attacks this doesn't mean you should muzzle a full breed it just cant work like that. If that principle was applied then every breed of dog would be muzzled because they all attack people but you just don't hear about it.

[Red]

Then it comes down to was it provoked?

The point is you just because of a few attacks this doesn't mean you should muzzle a full breed it just cant work like that. If that principle was applied then every breed of dog would be muzzled because they all attack people but you just don't hear about it.

Dogs don't have to be provoked. My friend was bitten by my granda's dog and all she did was lift his toy when we were playing in the garden. There was no problems with him before that or reasons to think he was dangerous. I don't get why you are saying a 'few attacks' like its not serious. People were killed :S I suppose they are deemed dangerous due to their history as being bred for fighting and their hold and shake bite. They are obviously going to do more damage than a small dog. Everyone is complaining about having to muzzle them. In Northern Ireland, its illegal to own a dog that even looks like a Pitbull and a few other breeds. If you are found with an illegal dog, its seized and put down.

[Catchy]

Tbh why is everyone moaning... If you don't want to muzzle them in your own house then fine that's completely up to you but in public? Take some responsibility and muzzle the dog if that's what the law states you have to do. At the end of the day, isn't it always better safe than sorry?

[-Sweex]

Tbh why is everyone moaning... If you don't want to muzzle them in your own house then fine that's completely up to you but in public? Take some responsibility and muzzle the dog if that's what the law states you have to do. At the end of the day, isn't it always better safe than sorry?

The law doesn't say you have to muzzle any dog.

[Kyle]

The law doesn't say you have to muzzle any dog.
the law asks that dogs deemed dangerous are muzzled. his point is that regardless of how friendly your dog seems, if it is a 'dangerous' breed then it should be muzzled in public places......

[Catchy]

What kyle said ^^

[-Sweex]

What kyle said ^^

The feeling I was getting from you is that dogs that aren't deemed dangerous such as a staffy should be muzzled.

[Jssy]

I think big dogs should, just in case. My uncle has a doberman, pomeranian and 2 adult rotweillers in a 2 bedroomed house and the doberman and rotweillers can get so excited that they act vicious, even though they wouldn't hurt the pomeranian. If you can prevent a dog from biting then surely that's a good thing. Even with years with no problem, dogs can be unpredictable. They don't do it on purpose usually, they just get scared. A german sherphard got scared by me when I was a toddler, it jumped over a high fence and bit me. Since I was little I was scared of big dogs until my nana got a new dog that I bonded with. Sure it might not be fair, but it's better to be safe than sorry and have some reassurance that your dog can't bite anyone.

[Catchy]

The feeling I was getting from you is that dogs that aren't deemed dangerous such as a staffy should be muzzled.

staffys are so hideous lmao but anyways no my argument is dogs that are deemed dangerous should be. I don't see the harm in it. What harm is it causing the dog or the owner? None, it's just stopping the potential risk.

[-Sweex]

staffys are so hideous lmao but anyways no my argument is dogs that are deemed dangerous should be. I don't see the harm in it. What harm is it causing the dog or the owner? None, it's just stopping the potential risk.

Staffys are hideous, thats your personal opinion but I find them the best looking dog going.