Apple forced to publish that Samsung didn't copy them!

[xxMATTGxx]

A judge in Britain is forcing Apple to publicly acknowledge that Samsung didn't copy the iPad, according to a report by Bloomberg.

A judge has ordered Apple to post a notice on its website and in "several" British newspapers and magazines highlighting a recent ruling that Samsung didn't copy the iPad.

Apple must leave that notice up on its website for the next six months. Ouch!

Apple lost a case against Samsung in Britain earlier this month, as the judge ruled that Samsung's Galaxy Tab tablets weren't cool enough to be confused with the iPad.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/bloomberg-apple-must-post-notice-online-in-uk-saying-samsung-didnt-copy-ipad-2012-7#ixzz20zyz7U4v and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18895384

That is so embarrassing for Apple!

[Kieran]

Can guarantee they'll appeal it and manage to pay someone off to have it over ruled :P

[Recursion]

Can guarantee they'll appeal it and manage to pay someone off to have it over ruled :P

The UK legal system isn't *as* corrupt as the USA, as we've seen so far in these frivolous court cases ;)

[samsaBEAR]

Absolutely brilliant, although I'm sure Apple will off set with some backhand patent dispute about some other stupid ****. Their latest fun one is about disappearing scroll bars and how iOS had them first.

[Gibs960]

Apple always think that a company is copying them in some way or another. All the arselicks of Apple start ******** and moaning when a company brings out something relatively similar to an Apple product.

[Inseriousity.]

Lol a bit embarrassing for Samsung too I'd say. "not cool enough" ouch :P

[sex]

apple will come up with some smart arse way of saying sorry which involves the "not cool enough" thing

[Tom]

Ouch, that really does suck to be apple...

[Munex]

My ICT teacher was telling me a few weeks ago that apple copied an already existing device to 'come up' with their iPod. So... you nick some, you lose some.

[GommeInc]

Good, it's about time Apple were told who's boss and acknowledge something everyone knows to be false - that the Tab cannt be a copy of the iPad. They should stop hiding behind the law and actually allow competition where it is needed.

Let the customers decide what is bad or good, not the courts.


apple will come up with some smart arse way of saying sorry which involves the "not cool enough" thing
Depends if they want to admit that the iPad isn't cool and pick another fight with Samsung. The only way they can counter claim is if they say the ruling judge was wrong in his decision - that the iPad isn't cool.

It's a strange yet complicated situation.

[scottish]

Not really related but apple at it again

http://www.macworld.co.uk/apple-business/news/?newsid=3370881

[peteyt]

Not really related but apple at it again

http://www.macworld.co.uk/apple-business/news/?newsid=3370881

I hope if they try to enforce this they get hit hard - We need competition. The iPhone was never the first touch screen phone and it won't be the last. It reminds me Harlan Ellison who's tried to sue films for using a basic principle he's wrote about e.g. his film has robots so this robot film is his work ha.

[Recursion]

The UI patent isn't going to be a problem... it's another ridiculous patent with no power behind it.

That MacWorld article is such ******** in terms of fanboyism it makes my blood boil.

[HotelUser]

Good, it's about time Apple were told who's boss and acknowledge something everyone knows to be false - that the Tab cannt be a copy of the iPad. They should stop hiding behind the law and actually allow competition where it is needed.

Let the customers decide what is bad or good, not the courts.


Depends if they want to admit that the iPad isn't cool and pick another fight with Samsung. The only way they can counter claim is if they say the ruling judge was wrong in his decision - that the iPad isn't cool.

It's a strange yet complicated situation.


1. A forced apology isn't a genuine apology
2. They will probably appeal this
3. Microsoft, Google, Samsung, HTC, RIM, Acer, ASUS, HP and more have all fought the patent wars and are just as guilty as Apple
4. It's not like Apple's being force to apologize in America, their home market where they'll continue to pursue patent suits just like every other company.
5. The tab is a copy of the iPad, the iPad consists of elements which were copied from elsewhere. Those foundational elements were proposed off ideas from elsewhere again, this loop is infinite. Everybody steals from everybody in the consumer technology industry, lesson one. If you're going to slate Apple for preaching their own innovation then you're a hypocrite for not slating everybody else for same exact thing.

England has one of the oldest established legal systems in Western Society and Canada's justice system is closely based off England's, but I could never imagine a judge insulting the plaintiff and defendant by telling one company their product isn't as cool as the other companies, and then forcing the other company to publicly apologize. Justice in my eyes shouldn't be about humiliating both parties, it should be about upholding the people's justice righteously, and the American, British and Canadian patent systems could seriously learn a thing or two about true justice.

[Chippiewill]

Microsoft, Google, Samsung, HTC, RIM, Acer, ASUS, HP and more have all fought the patent wars and are just as guilty as Apple.
You cannot deny however that:

a) Apple is throwing around the most lawsuits
b) Most others are only counter patent suits to drop the issue entirely

The judge probably intended it as more of a punishment for abusing the patent system than anything else. Many Judges recently have been just chucking patent cases out for obvious abuse of this system and I hope this continues.

[Recursion]

Apple accounts for 60% of all patent disputes in the mobile market...

[GommeInc]

1. A forced apology isn't a genuine apology
2. They will probably appeal this
3. Microsoft, Google, Samsung, HTC, RIM, Acer, ASUS, HP and more have all fought the patent wars and are just as guilty as Apple
4. It's not like Apple's being force to apologize in America, their home market where they'll continue to pursue patent suits just like every other company.
5. The tab is a copy of the iPad, the iPad consists of elements which were copied from elsewhere. Those foundational elements were proposed off ideas from elsewhere again, this loop is infinite. Everybody steals from everybody in the consumer technology industry, lesson one. If you're going to slate Apple for preaching their own innovation then you're a hypocrite for not slating everybody else for same exact thing.

England has one of the oldest established legal systems in Western Society and Canada's justice system is closely based off England's, but I could never imagine a judge insulting the plaintiff and defendant by telling one company their product isn't as cool as the other companies, and then forcing the other company to publicly apologize. Justice in my eyes shouldn't be about humiliating both parties, it should be about upholding the people's justice righteously, and the American, British and Canadian patent systems could seriously learn a thing or two about true justice.


You cannot deny however that:

a) Apple is throwing around the most lawsuits
b) Most others are only counter patent suits to drop the issue entirely

The judge probably intended it as more of a punishment for abusing the patent system than anything else. Many Judges recently have been just chucking patent cases out for obvious abuse of this system and I hope this continues.


Apple accounts for 60% of all patent disputes in the mobile market...

The above two quotes are by those who look outside the box.

1. It's hilarious, it makes them look stupid which is always good because, let's face it, they've been asking for it given the two above facts - they're riding the patent system to try and gain dominance when it should be the consumer who decides.
2. Naturally, and they will again be put down like the countless times they've appealed - either in the courts, or by reputation.
3. A serial murderer is far worse than a one off killer or someone convicted of manslaughter. I'll let you mull that over.
4. Home markets and international markets are irrelevant. If a company suffers humiliation in one country it will be heard around the world, hence this article exists in the first place :rolleyes:
5. No it isn't, anyone with more than the required brain cells for rational thought can see it isn't a rip off of the iPad. The difference here is open competition decided by what the consumer thinks is right, not what a gutless organisation that is affraid of good, healthy competition and a courtroom in some country thinks should be the competition. Apple is the main offender because it releases self-righteous statements under the tagline "GRAND THEFT" when Apple is the golden turd of hypocrisy and doesn't want to admit it copies from other companies. It's double standards. Every other organisation - Samsung for example - understands the natural course of emulation and product evolution and doesn't pretend it invented the obvious design of a tablet computer (a tablet computer would be just a flat piece of technology with a huge screen taking up one side, how else can one be designed!?)

Also, you seem to be taking the typical Can't-Be-Bothered-To-Read-The-Full-Case-Notes position, although that cannot be blamed purely on merit as the media (especially American and Canadian media) have completely destroyed an interesting case by reporting on just the "it isn't cool enough" statement the judge allegedly made.

What he actually was talking about was the reputation Apple has that the Samsung does not, that the two products are clearly different because Apple products have the established, popular choice reputation while the Samsung has the new-product reputation, or lack of one (to put it in layman's terms). He did the annoying "hip judge" thing and used the word cool in a statement and the media, which likes to portray ignorance, leapt upon those words like an idiot to an iMac screaming "shiny shiny".

Anyone with access to one of a few UK law databases can download the Official Transcript and it is actually quite an interesting read, but as per usual the media like to dumb down their audience.

His Honour Judge Birss QC says just before his conclusion that "To the informed user: From the front, the Samsung belongs to the same family which includes the Apple design (basically the obvious "It has a screen on the front!") but the Samsung products are insubstantial of that family because of the design on the back. Because of this, they do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is apparent in the Apple design". He used the words "it's not as cool. The overall impression produced by the Tab is different."

Unfortunately, you fell in the media trap and accuse the English Legal System of being crass, by apparently offending either party when in actual fact neither party is offended (Apple can't be, unless compliments are offensive? :P) and Samsung can't be as the judge never outright says it isn't cool, it just isn't as cool and they won the case because the judge has this wonderous gift of common sense and sight, something Apple can't take away with their billions.

[HotelUser]

Apple accounts for 60% of all patent disputes in the mobile market...

That statistic isn't as relavent as who is benefitting more out of ongoing patent disputes in the mobile market. Microsoft is generating almost (if not over) half a billion dollars a year (http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-09-29/tech/30216822_1_htc-microsoft-android-device) right now from ongoing disputes with Google's Android, and Microsoft hasn't even been moving the mobile software industry forward since wince/mobile pre-iphone crap. Not to mention the money Microsoft collects from all their other non android related patent disputes, I'd wager that Ballmer still knows how to play the game :P. Microsoft is just as guilty as Apple, who is just as guilty as everyone else. As I state below to Gomme, you can patent-insult a company you don't like because of personal reasons all you want but in the end EVERY COMPANY ABUSES THE SYSTEM. Apple, Samsung, Microsoft alike. The whole system has to be changed, targeting a company you might have a personal vendetta with gets you nowhere with patent wars.



You cannot deny however that:

a) Apple is throwing around the most lawsuits
b) Most others are only counter patent suits to drop the issue entirely

The judge probably intended it as more of a punishment for abusing the patent system than anything else. Many Judges recently have been just chucking patent cases out for obvious abuse of this system and I hope this continues.

In the entire history of the creation of all these companies? Yes I can deny that easily.'


1. It's hilarious, it makes them look stupid

The judge saying it's not copying because Samsung's product is worse is hilarious and makes Samsung look stupid.


which is always good because, let's face it, they've been asking for it given the two above facts - they're riding the patent system to try and gain dominance when it should be the consumer who decides.

I didn't want to be the one who broke the news to you, but your home company has done the exact same thing for years:

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2008-08-22/tech/29994174_1_user-buttons-microsoft-engineers
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/itc-motorola-violates-one-of-microsofts-mobile-patents/11476
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/microsoft-patent-ie9-browser-tabs,news-14517.html
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/11/15/171201/barnes-noble-names-microsofts-disputed-android-patents
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/USPTO-Patents-Trademarks-Shutdown-OS,11222.html



2. Naturally, and they will again be put down like the countless times they've appealed - either in the courts, or by reputation.

Big bad companies who abuse the patent system like Microsoft Apple and Samsung have had their losses and victories.



3. A serial murderer is far worse than a one off killer or someone convicted of manslaughter. I'll let you mull that over.Refer to the above links.

4. Home markets and international markets are irrelevant. If a company suffers humiliation in one country it will be heard around the world, hence this article exists in the first place :rolleyes:

Then I'll re-emphasize that your government's judge is a moron. Nobody I've heard is talking about this "technology news" over here, by the way.



5. No it isn't, anyone with more than the required brain cells for rational thought can see it isn't a rip off of the iPad. The difference here is open competition decided by what the consumer thinks is right, not what a gutless organisation that is affraid of good, healthy competition and a courtroom in some country thinks should be the competition. Apple is the main offender because it releases self-righteous statements under the tagline "GRAND THEFT" when Apple is the golden turd of hypocrisy and doesn't want to admit it copies from other companies. It's double standards. Every other organisation - Samsung for example - understands the natural course of emulation and product evolution and doesn't pretend it invented the obvious design of a tablet computer (a tablet computer would be just a flat piece of technology with a huge screen taking up one side, how else can one be designed!?)

Also, you seem to be taking the typical Can't-Be-Bothered-To-Read-The-Full-Case-Notes position, although that cannot be blamed purely on merit as the media (especially American and Canadian media) have completely destroyed an interesting case by reporting on just the "it isn't cool enough" statement the judge allegedly made.

What he actually was talking about was the reputation Apple has that the Samsung does not, that the two products are clearly different because Apple products have the established, popular choice reputation while the Samsung has the new-product reputation, or lack of one (to put it in layman's terms). He did the annoying "hip judge" thing and used the word cool in a statement and the media, which likes to portray ignorance, leapt upon those words like an idiot to an iMac screaming "shiny shiny".

Anyone with access to one of a few UK law databases can download the Official Transcript and it is actually quite an interesting read, but as per usual the media like to dumb down their audience.

His Honour Judge Birss QC says just before his conclusion that "To the informed user: From the front, the Samsung belongs to the same family which includes the Apple design (basically the obvious "It has a screen on the front!") but the Samsung products are insubstantial of that family because of the design on the back. Because of this, they do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is apparent in the Apple design". He used the words "it's not as cool. The overall impression produced by the Tab is different."

Unfortunately, you fell in the media trap and accuse the English Legal System of being crass, by apparently offending either party when in actual fact neither party is offended (Apple can't be, unless compliments are offensive? :P) and Samsung can't be as the judge never outright says it isn't cool, it just isn't as cool and they won the case because the judge has this wonderous gift of common sense and sight, something Apple can't take away with their billions.

Apple's claim to these patents has just as much backing them up as your home company Microsoft's patents to page up page down, schedule information and draggable browser tabs. You can rant and rave all you like about just Apple, but I'm not going to bother reading your hypocritical rants if you straight up refuse to adhere to the fact that EVERYONE abuses the patent system. I whole heartedly agree with anyone who states that patents are widely abused, but you sitting here and targeting a specific company just because you don't like that company is straight up ludicrous when every single other major player is guilty of doing the exact same thing and has been for many years.

[GommeInc]

The judge saying it's not copying because Samsung's product is worse is hilarious and makes Samsung look stupid.
Again, you haven't read the actual judgment and are probably basing your hilarious judgments on MacRumor comments or a media company who hasn't bothered reading the full facts. Come back when you've read the case notes. He didn't label the Tab as rubbish or "worse" (which suggests you think the iPad is bad, and the Tab is worse).


I didn't want to be the one who broke the news to you, but your home company has done the exact same thing for years:

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2008-08-22/tech/29994174_1_user-buttons-microsoft-engineers
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/itc-motorola-violates-one-of-microsofts-mobile-patents/11476
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/microsoft-patent-ie9-browser-tabs,news-14517.html
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/11/15/171201/barnes-noble-names-microsofts-disputed-android-patents
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/USPTO-Patents-Trademarks-Shutdown-OS,11222.html



Big bad companies who abuse the patent system like Microsoft Apple and Samsung have had their losses and victories.
This thread is about Apple, naturally it's going to be an attack on Apple. Also, you've failed to recognise the fact that Apple is the big abuser of the patent system, and openly persue this idea that they're original and no one else is better - Jobs' idea of Android being grand theft, for example. They're a pathetic company. Other companies abuse the patent system, true - no one has said otherwise - but other companies don't delude themselves with false grandeur.

Oh, and bless you for calling it my home company - I didn't know I sang Microsoft's praises. But you are one to get ideas in your head and attempt to win an argument by planting pointless information to argue with yourself.


Then I'll re-emphasize that your government's judge is a moron. Nobody I've heard is talking about this "technology news" over here, by the way.
Baseless claim. Read the judgment. He's highly intelligent, and wipes the floor with any judge in your country because he's had the guts to stand up and say the patent system is a misuse of a legal systems' time. He has common sense - the Tab IS different to the iPad, which is his conclusion - something anyone with the appropriate brain cells for common sense can understand. Are you just sad that he picked on Apple and strongly believes the patent system is corrupt? Because you seem to be suggesting the patent system is working smoothly and Apple (and other companies) should be deciding on the competition, rather than the consumers.


Apple's claim to these patents has just as much backing them up as your home company Microsoft's patents to page up page down, schedule information and draggable browser tabs. You can rant and rave all you like about just Apple, but I'm not going to bother reading your hypocritical rants if you straight up refuse to adhere to the fact that EVERYONE abuses the patent system. I whole heartedly agree with anyone who states that patents are widely abused, but you sitting here and targeting a specific company just because you don't like that company is straight up ludicrous when every single other major player is guilty of doing the exact same thing and has been for many years.
Apple believe they've invented the bezel that goes around the iPad screen. Enough said. Also, I never said that Apple is the only company - perhaps you should stop being so red headed and backing up your ridiculous cult? Also, you whinge(d) about BlackBerry and RIM to the point that people were seriously contemplating suicide (and it was for really subjective, pointless reasons).

[HotelUser]

Again, you haven't read the actual judgment and are probably basing your hilarious judgments on MacRumor comments or a media company who hasn't bothered reading the full facts. Come back when you've read the case notes. He didn't label the Tab as rubbish or "worse" (which suggests you think the iPad is bad, and the Tab is worse).



I only post on MacRumours when I have a problem with iOS/OS X (which is very rare ;) ) and I don't read their news. The exact quote from the judge is: "do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is possessed by the Apple design ... They are not as cool." Thank you for making baseless assumptions of my knowledge of the case, though. Also the word "worse" wasn't used at all by the judge (I was just paraphrasing Birss's opinion), but I'd just like to point out off topic that saying something is worse compared to something else doesn't imply that what you compared it to is bad. Death is worse than life in my opinion, but that doesn't mean I also believe life is bad.





This thread is about Apple, naturally it's going to be an attack on Apple. Also, you've failed to recognise the fact that Apple is the big abuser of the patent system, and openly persue this idea that they're original and no one else is better - Jobs' idea of Android being grand theft, for example. They're a pathetic company. Other companies abuse the patent system, true - no one has said otherwise - but other companies don't delude themselves with false grandeur.



Blah blah blah, you slating Apple for whatever reason you come up with in your head regardless as to whether or not it's true has bored me over the years :P. Yes they've made mistakes but you've failed to recognize the fact that Apple, Microsoft, Samsung and many others are the big abusers of the patent system, and openly pursue this idea that they're in the habit of making money. Just because you want Apple to be the biggest abuser of the patent system in the entire world doesn't mean they abuse the system any more then Microsoft, Google, Samsung, ASUS, Acer, Oracle, and you've not given me any evidence to suggest otherwise.




Oh, and bless you for calling it my home company - I didn't know I sang Microsoft's praises. But you are one to get ideas in your head and attempt to win an argument by planting pointless information to argue with yourself.



Well you're not exactly posting from an all Apple attire, and I don't think you're running Damn Small Linux as your primary OS :P




Baseless claim. Read the judgment. He's highly intelligent, and wipes the floor with any judge in your country because he's had the guts to stand up and say the patent system is a misuse of a legal systems' time. He has common sense - the Tab IS different to the iPad, which is his conclusion - something anyone with the appropriate brain cells for common sense can understand. Are you just sad that he picked on Apple and strongly believes the patent system is corrupt? Because you seem to be suggesting the patent system is working smoothly and Apple (and other companies) should be deciding on the competition, rather than the consumers.



You wouldn't of asked me if I'm sad that he picked on Apple if you read in my previous posts that I believe it's a shame that both companies were humiliated, and I stand strongly by my statement that the entire patent system in both our countries as well as in America and elsewhere is highly corrupt and needs to be modified to preserve and pursue what's in the best interests of us the consumers.

It's funny, because I'm just as inclined to pick up a Samsung Galaxy as I am an iPhone the next time I collect on a hardware upgrade from Bell Mobility. I've been a mainstream Android user before I've been an iOS user. I am not anti-Microsoft and I am not anti-Samsung. If you want to call me anti something then you may call me anti-RIM.



Apple believe they've invented the bezel that goes around the iPad screen. Enough said. Also, I never said that Apple is the only company - perhaps you should stop being so red headed and backing up your ridiculous cult? Also, you whinge(d) about BlackBerry and RIM to the point that people were seriously contemplating suicide (and it was for really subjective, pointless reasons).

Ah, here's the RIM dig. I strongly disliked RIM even before it was cool. They're terrible at PR, marketing and keeping up software and hardware wise. If that caused suicide then it's highly unfortunate but my statements against RIM are justified because unfortunately the Canadian Company is suffering more then I'd like it to be.

Apple invented the bezel you say? I hear Microsoft invented pageup/pagedown keys and Yahoo invented Facebooks like button. It's crazy what companies manage to "invent" these days when billions of dollars can be made. As aforementioned I feel the entire patent system is corrupt and many companies abuse it. I really don't know what point you have here, because from the beginning I've been telling you I think the patent system is corrupt, and from the beginning you ignore every single company in the world and only made it your sole purpose to try to trash Apple instead of the patent system. I've already showed you examples of Microsoft abusing the system and pointed out that they make half a billion dollars a year from Android alone. Must I show you examples of Samsung, Google, ASUS blablabla as well? Other companies abuse the patent system other than Apple. You can kick and scream about me pointing that out all you want but it's the truth. The system needs to be changed, not one company specifically.


Edit: Apple was granted a stay on posting the notice (http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/26/apple-wins-stay-on-having-to-post-samsung-did-not-copy-notice/). This means Samsung still goes insulted by your judge, and your courts time will continue to be wasted because this means another appeal. The patent system is just a giant mess that benefits nobody other than corporations and already rich lawyers and judges.

[GommeInc]

I only post on MacRumours when I have a problem with iOS/OS X (which is very rare ;) ) and I don't read their news. The exact quote from the judge is: "do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is possessed by the Apple design ... They are not as cool." Thank you for making baseless assumptions of my knowledge of the case, though. Also the word "worse" wasn't used at all by the judge (I was just paraphrasing Birss's opinion), but I'd just like to point out off topic that saying something is worse compared to something else doesn't imply that what you compared it to is bad. Death is worse than life in my opinion, but that doesn't mean I also believe life is bad.
So your previous blathering that the Samsung Galaxy Tab was worse was for what... trolling? You said "The judge saying it's not copying because Samsung's product is worse is hilarious and makes Samsung look stupid" and as you have now read the judgment (kudos to you for reading something for once) he clearly did not call the Galaxy Tab rubbish - so a hgue contradiction. Also, you missed out the most vital part of his final judgment: "The overall
impression produced is different." That is the most important part of the judgment, but you typically ignore the final sentence - it means the iPad and the Galaxy Tab are different, the overall impression of the Tab is different to the iPad. I wish you would stop reading the parts that only you want to read and read the facts in their entirety :/


Blah blah blah, you slating Apple for whatever reason you come up with in your head regardless as to whether or not it's true has bored me over the years :P. Yes they've made mistakes but you've failed to recognize the fact that Apple, Microsoft, Samsung and many others are the big abusers of the patent system, and openly pursue this idea that they're in the habit of making money. Just because you want Apple to be the biggest abuser of the patent system in the entire world doesn't mean they abuse the system any more then Microsoft, Google, Samsung, ASUS, Acer, Oracle, and you've not given me any evidence to suggest otherwise.
Do stop defending Apple with made up judgments. I am yet to see where I stated that "only Apple ride the patent system". So far only you are of that opinion, but you are one to make up information or skewer facts to support your arguments :rolleyes: Also, technically they are the biggest abuser. Read how many companies are going against them and the cases involved, but they are one company in control of everything they create while the other companies either share the same OS or have familiarities because they sing from the same hymn sheet, it's hardly surprising.


Apple invented the bezel you say? I hear Microsoft invented pageup/pagedown keys and Yahoo invented Facebooks like button. It's crazy what companies manage to "invent" these days when billions of dollars can be made. As aforementioned I feel the entire patent system is corrupt and many companies abuse it. I really don't know what point you have here, because from the beginning I've been telling you I think the patent system is corrupt, and from the beginning you ignore every single company in the world and only made it your sole purpose to try to trash Apple instead of the patent system. I've already showed you examples of Microsoft abusing the system and pointed out that they make half a billion dollars a year from Android alone. Must I show you examples of Samsung, Google, ASUS blablabla as well? Other companies abuse the patent system other than Apple. You can kick and scream about me pointing that out all you want but it's the truth. The system needs to be changed, not one company specifically.
I think you would find the bezel rather more confusing and a stupid thing to claim to have invented when the bezel has existed for years, while the PageUp/Page Down keys were techncially invented by Microsoft for use on their keyboards and the OS it worked with. Besides, it's one of those patents that has become outdated and a hinderance, and is just another patent that should be done away with.

And I've not ignored every single company - I point you to the aforementioned "I have not stated that Apple are the only abuser of the patent system" statement. Perhaps you should stop making up points to support your already dreadful claims and obvious Apple loving?


Edit: Apple was granted a stay on posting the notice (http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/26/apple-wins-stay-on-having-to-post-samsung-did-not-copy-notice/). This means Samsung still goes insulted by your judge, and your courts time will continue to be wasted because this means another appeal. The patent system is just a giant mess that benefits nobody other than corporations and already rich lawyers and judges.
And they are insulted, where? Samsung have yet to say they are insulted. In fact, every source says they are delighted by the judgment.Not only this, but it will set a great precedent in the UK (and possibly elsewhere) that companies should stop seeking the courts for help with competition and actually start innovating.

Heck, that source doesn't say they are insulted either - and it's typical engadget not to read the case notes and play on this "Tab isn't cool enough to be an imitation" rubbish.

[HotelUser]

So your previous blathering that the Samsung Galaxy Tab was worse was for what... trolling? You said "The judge saying it's not copying because Samsung's product is worse is hilarious and makes Samsung look stupid" and as you have now read the judgment (kudos to you for reading something for once) he clearly did not call the Galaxy Tab rubbish - so a hgue contradiction. Also, you missed out the most vital part of his final judgment: "The overall
impression produced is different." That is the most important part of the judgment, but you typically ignore the final sentence - it means the iPad and the Galaxy Tab are different, the overall impression of the Tab is different to the iPad. I wish you would stop reading the parts that only you want to read and read the facts in their entirety :/


I didn't know me telling you what the judge's opinion was magically means that his opinion is my opinion, and that I magically don't know how to read because I quoted him legitimately but you don't like the quote I chose.




Do stop defending Apple with made up judgments. I am yet to see where I stated that "only Apple ride the patent system". So far only you are of that opinion, but you are one to make up information or skewer facts to support your arguments :rolleyes: Also, technically they are the biggest abuser. Read how many companies are going against them and the cases involved, but they are one company in control of everything they create while the other companies either share the same OS or have familiarities because they sing from the same hymn sheet, it's hardly surprising.



You rant and rave about Apple even more then I rant and rave about RIM, and that's saying something pretty significant. I share my opinion straight up even if you don't like it, and even if my opinion goes against Apple I share it (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=754027). I'm annoyed because in practically every setting I see you in (including the linked post), you just bash Apple, without offering valid evidence to back some of the claims you've made about the company. It's a shame because if you took the "IHateAppleAndOnlyApple" visor off, I think you might have some decent insights.




I think you would find the bezel rather more confusing and a stupid thing to claim to have invented when the bezel has existed for years, while the PageUp/Page Down keys were techncially invented by Microsoft for use on their keyboards and the OS it worked with. Besides, it's one of those patents that has become outdated and a hinderance, and is just another patent that should be done away with.



Some would say patenting keys on a keyboard is straight up nonsense.

What about the tabbed browsing patents Microsoft went after? They didn't even invent tabbed browsing to begin with (http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/opera-did-not-invent-tabbed-browsing/).




And I've not ignored every single company - I point you to the aforementioned "I have not stated that Apple are the only abuser of the patent system" statement. Perhaps you should stop making up points to support your already dreadful claims and obvious Apple loving?



Fine, then in your next response to me you'll have no problem to admit to me that Apple is one of many companies which abuse the patent system, and that Apple is not the absolute biggest abuser of the system (and accusing them of being the biggest abuser of the system when we don't have all the information on every company in this industry is just straight up ludicrous anyway).




And they are insulted, where? Samsung have yet to say they are insulted. In fact, every source says they are delighted by the judgment.Not only this, but it will set a great precedent in the UK (and possibly elsewhere) that companies should stop seeking the courts for help with competition and actually start innovating.



Samsung was satisfied before they were granted a stay.




Heck, that source doesn't say they are insulted either - and it's typical engadget not to read the case notes and play on this "Tab isn't cool enough to be an imitation" rubbish.

The case is an interesting read, and the quote is perfectly legitimate and it's accurate. Notwithstanding Engadget it's cited on many different websites:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57468628-71/wait-did-a-judge-just-say-samsung-is-not-as-cool-as-apple/
http://news.sky.com/story/958103/galaxy-tab-not-as-cool-as-an-ipad-says-judge
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jul/09/samsung-apple-cool-ipad-tablet
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/26/apple-earns-delay-on-publishing-notices-acknowledging-samsung-did-not-copy-ipad/ (YOUR FAVOURITE)
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2012/07/09/galaxy-tab-not-as-cool-as-ipad-says-court
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/07/samsung-wins-apple-patent-suit-because-its-galaxy-tab-is-not-as-cool-as-ipad/
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/07/09/samsungs-galaxy-tab-not-as-cool-as-ipad-says-judge/?mod=WSJBlog
http://gizmodo.com/5924382/judge-rules-galaxy-tab-not-as-cool-as-ipad-legally-speaking

There's no disputing he said it, and although he depicts the fact that the tablets are different, in the quote I cited he blatantly states that the tablet isn't as cool (and please don't again get his opinion confused with my own. I like my iPad, but I also like my HP Touchpad and I would no doubt love owning a Galaxy Tab).

I would paste some more links in but I think I've made my point clear enough, and I'm quite tired :P see you in the morning.

[Mark]

1. A forced apology isn't a genuine apology
2. They will probably appeal this
3. Microsoft, Google, Samsung, HTC, RIM, Acer, ASUS, HP and more have all fought the patent wars and are just as guilty as Apple
4. It's not like Apple's being force to apologize in America, their home market where they'll continue to pursue patent suits just like every other company.
5. The tab is a copy of the iPad, the iPad consists of elements which were copied from elsewhere. Those foundational elements were proposed off ideas from elsewhere again, this loop is infinite. Everybody steals from everybody in the consumer technology industry, lesson one. If you're going to slate Apple for preaching their own innovation then you're a hypocrite for not slating everybody else for same exact thing.

England has one of the oldest established legal systems in Western Society and Canada's justice system is closely based off England's, but I could never imagine a judge insulting the plaintiff and defendant by telling one company their product isn't as cool as the other companies, and then forcing the other company to publicly apologize. Justice in my eyes shouldn't be about humiliating both parties, it should be about upholding the people's justice righteously, and the American, British and Canadian patent systems could seriously learn a thing or two about true justice.

Lol, England? I think you mean the UK :P

[Stephen!]

Not sure if these has been posted yet due to the huge chunks of text, but it has now been overruled:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/26/apple-wins-stay-on-having-to-post-samsung-did-not-copy-notice/

[GommeInc]

I didn't know me telling you what the judge's opinion was magically means that his opinion is my opinion, and that I magically don't know how to read because I quoted him legitimately but you don't like the quote I chose.
As per usual, never said the first part.
As for the second: You didn't include the full quote - the part you quoted was accurate and legitimate, but without the full quote you've effectively made a sensationalist, bodiless comment:


They do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is possessed by the Apple design. They are not as cool. The overall impression produced is different.
The final sentence is important. The media, as is expected, focus on one small part of a judgment, completely dumbing down and invalidating a case. The final sentence moves the "cool" comment from simply being a subjective, trying-to-be-hip meaning to effectively focusing on the reputation the iPad has - and if you read the full case, it reflects on the design of the entire Apple family (iPhone, iPad, iMac etc) and the simplistic designs they all have in common which make them popular. He's not necessarily saying they're cool. Period. He's stating that it's the "cool" reputation that makes them different, because of x, y, z (design, familiarities etc). It's why Engadget and all the links you've posted to below are all irritating because they've turned a good judgment into a dumbed down mess to appeal to the stupid masses.


You rant and rave about Apple even more then I rant and rave about RIM, and that's saying something pretty significant. I share my opinion straight up even if you don't like it, and even if my opinion goes against Apple I share it (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=754027). I'm annoyed because in practically every setting I see you in (including the linked post), you just bash Apple, without offering valid evidence to back some of the claims you've made about the company. It's a shame because if you took the "IHateAppleAndOnlyApple" visor off, I think you might have some decent insights.
It's an Apple thread, and as per usual you've taken a small post (the post you first got upset about) and turned it into something it wasn't meant to be, because you've got a problem with any negative information directed at Apple and make presumptions based on information that simply isn't there. You've effectively turned a mole hill into a mountain. You're the one who started this rather boring discussion :rolleyes:
Also, I do offer evidence, you either ignore it or start another rant no-one particularly cares about.

Also, I didn't bash Apple in that thread. That's another line in the "HotelUser cannot read" tally chart :rolleyes:


Some would say patenting keys on a keyboard is straight up nonsense.

What about the tabbed browsing patents Microsoft went after? They didn't even invent tabbed browsing to begin with (http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/opera-did-not-invent-tabbed-browsing/).
As I said, it's an outdated patent which made sense originally, as those keys were something that appeared on MS keyboards to go hand in hand with the functionality in the OS. These days it's seen as a standard, which is where the patent system goes wrong - where a design, feature or function becomes a standard. In the case of the Tab vs. iPad, suggesting you invented the bezel and the multitouch functionality is absurd, but that's the patent system for you :P You'd think the original patent owner could get a pay off so that the patent becomes open use, but that's too obvious and doesn't involve as much money.

As for tabbed browsing, isn't that the case which goes back to Microsoft having the idea of tabbed browsing (in the Labs or whatever Microsoft call it), but failed to implement it - then they get a butt ache when another company does the same thing? Just another example of a case which shouldn't of existed because the patent system allows for too simplistic a design.


Fine, then in your next response to me you'll have no problem to admit to me that Apple is one of many companies which abuse the patent system, and that Apple is not the absolute biggest abuser of the system (and accusing them of being the biggest abuser of the system when we don't have all the information on every company in this industry is just straight up ludicrous anyway).
If you go through any legal database or law based website with interests in technology law, you would find Apple sticks out like a sore thumb. But as I previously said, this is going to happen because Apple is one company with it's own OS, builds, designs etc. versus many companies which share the same OS and functionality. I don't need to admit that Apple aren't the only abuser, as I never said they were - it was your usual assumptions which kicked off this discussion in the first place. Too hot headed and defensive.


Samsung was satisfied before they were granted a stay.
Proof? All the sources seem to suggest Samsung are content - they were proven innocent in the case. The decision of the court to force Apple to advertise the results did seem a bit odd and possibly against a few EU laws and UK laws regarding competition.


The case is an interesting read, and the quote is perfectly legitimate and it's accurate. Notwithstanding Engadget it's cited on many different websites:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57468628-71/wait-did-a-judge-just-say-samsung-is-not-as-cool-as-apple/
http://news.sky.com/story/958103/galaxy-tab-not-as-cool-as-an-ipad-says-judge
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jul/09/samsung-apple-cool-ipad-tablet
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/26/apple-earns-delay-on-publishing-notices-acknowledging-samsung-did-not-copy-ipad/ (YOUR FAVOURITE)
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2012/07/09/galaxy-tab-not-as-cool-as-ipad-says-court
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/07/samsung-wins-apple-patent-suit-because-its-galaxy-tab-is-not-as-cool-as-ipad/
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/07/09/samsungs-galaxy-tab-not-as-cool-as-ipad-says-judge/?mod=WSJBlog
http://gizmodo.com/5924382/judge-rules-galaxy-tab-not-as-cool-as-ipad-legally-speaking

There's no disputing he said it, and although he depicts the fact that the tablets are different, in the quote I cited he blatantly states that the tablet isn't as cool (and please don't again get his opinion confused with my own. I like my iPad, but I also like my HP Touchpad and I would no doubt love owning a Galaxy Tab).
As I said (and your inability to read again appears), you did not post the entire quote. The entire quote is important in the judgment, but as per usual Engadget only focus on that one small part of the judgment because it's sensationalist and right up their street. The full judgment doesn't suggest that coolness is purely measured on the judge's own personal opinion, which Engadget seem to be getting at, but on a huge rant in the middle of the judgment explaining the key differences between the iPad and the Tab - referring to both of them as being part of a Tablet family, where obvious similarities are unavoidable, yet there are still distinct differences between the two when looked up close.

It's engadget and all of those links only focusing on making a fun read despite only appealing to their stupid readers (they do not know any better as they do not have access to the full judgment, and have to go by what they say) which is the problem. It's like asking Engadget on their views of brain surgery, they will dumb it down and get it wrong, or make it seem more simpler than it actually is.


Lol, England? I think you mean the UK :P
The case was heard by an English Court, so it's accurate :P Scotland and Ireland have different legal systems, and Wales is combined with ours. Though you can call it the UK as they all share the same principles and are hard to distinguish.

[peteyt]

I should have known this would lead to an Apple Vs Microsoft debate. While apple is really annoying me right now and I've never been big on their overpriced products I know business is business and every business seems to be guilty these days of patent wars.

I understand they want to have some protection but some of them are stupid e.g. Microsoft and tabbed browsing, Apple thinking it owns the pod trademark and so on

[HotelUser]

Not sure if these has been posted yet due to the huge chunks of text, but it has now been overruled:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/26/apple-wins-stay-on-having-to-post-samsung-did-not-copy-notice/

In one of my TLDR's I cite this.


I should have known this would lead to an Apple Vs Microsoft debate. While apple is really annoying me right now and I've never been big on their overpriced products I know business is business and every business seems to be guilty these days of patent wars.

I understand they want to have some protection but some of them are stupid e.g. Microsoft and tabbed browsing, Apple thinking it owns the pod trademark and so on

As well as Samsung, Google, ASUS, Acer, Facebook, Oracle and a bunch of other ones. They're all guilty.


As per usual, never said the first part.
As for the second: You didn't include the full quote - the part you quoted was accurate and legitimate, but without the full quote you've effectively made a sensationalist, bodiless comment:


The final sentence is important. The media, as is expected, focus on one small part of a judgment, completely dumbing down and invalidating a case. The final sentence moves the "cool" comment from simply being a subjective, trying-to-be-hip meaning to effectively focusing on the reputation the iPad has - and if you read the full case, it reflects on the design of the entire Apple family (iPhone, iPad, iMac etc) and the simplistic designs they all have in common which make them popular. He's not necessarily saying they're cool. Period. He's stating that it's the "cool" reputation that makes them different, because of x, y, z (design, familiarities etc). It's why Engadget and all the links you've posted to below are all irritating because they've turned a good judgment into a dumbed down mess to appeal to the stupid masses.



They do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is possessed by the Apple design. They are not as cool. The overall impression produced is different.

You didn't like my quote because it supports Apple, so you give me a quote where 2/3rds of the sentences support Apple. Thanks.




It's an Apple thread, and as per usual you've taken a small post (the post you first got upset about) and turned it into something it wasn't meant to be, because you've got a problem with any negative information directed at Apple and make presumptions based on information that simply isn't there. You've effectively turned a mole hill into a mountain. You're the one who started this rather boring discussion :rolleyes:
Also, I do offer evidence, you either ignore it or start another rant no-one particularly cares about.



You're right it's an Apple (and Samsung) thread, so if you make posts about Apple and Samsung I am allowed to reply to your posts about Apple and Samsung. The only mountain I'm involved with right now is Mountain Lion . No, but in all seriousness you're the one who dramatises small things to do with Apple (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=7621235#post7621235), making them sound like Apple is the company at the heart of evil in this world. "It's about time Apple was put in their place" yada yada yada. You say things like that all the time and only direct it at Apple because you only hate Apple. How about what I've said this entire time which you seem to hate: it's about time THE ENTIRE PATENT SYSTEM was rethought out because ALL COMPANIES abuse it.

What's your goal here? To insult Apple to the maximum? The only reason you're unhappy with me is because I acknowledge Apple's patent system abuses inline with everybody elses', and why shouldn't I? Apple's just one of many companies who do this exact same thing. Unless you can miraculously prove to me somehow that Apple is 10x the abuser of everyone else in the entire industry then you really have no case here, because that's the only point I care to get across to you. Everyone abuses the system and the system itself needs to be changed. You can reply to me as many times as you wish and say, "Apple sucks they abuse the patent system," and you'd be right, but what do you want Apple to do, stop abusing it? Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, ASUS, Acer, Facebook and everyone else are still going to continue to keep on taking advantage of it. You're arguing a pointless point, don't treat Apple any more special then other companies, because in the end they all share the same objectives of dancing around the legal justice system in order to hurt others and make money.




Also, I didn't bash Apple in that thread. That's another line in the "HotelUser cannot read" tally chart :rolleyes:



Okay then, show me your fiscal statistical analysis on how Apple starts trends and others make them better.





As I said, it's an outdated patent which made sense originally, as those keys were something that appeared on MS keyboards to go hand in hand with the functionality in the OS. These days it's seen as a standard, which is where the patent system goes wrong - where a design, feature or function becomes a standard. In the case of the Tab vs. iPad, suggesting you invented the bezel and the multitouch functionality is absurd, but that's the patent system for you :P You'd think the original patent owner could get a pay off so that the patent becomes open use, but that's too obvious and doesn't involve as much money.



It's a crap patent in a crap system, just like all those other crap patents.




As for tabbed browsing, isn't that the case which goes back to Microsoft having the idea of tabbed browsing (in the Labs or whatever Microsoft call it), but failed to implement it - then they get a butt ache when another company does the same thing? Just another example of a case which shouldn't of existed because the patent system allows for too simplistic a design.





If you go through any legal database or law based website with interests in technology law, you would find Apple sticks out like a sore thumb. But as I previously said, this is going to happen because Apple is one company with it's own OS, builds, designs etc. versus many companies which share the same OS and functionality. I don't need to admit that Apple aren't the only abuser, as I never said they were - it was your usual assumptions which kicked off this discussion in the first place. Too hot headed and defensive.


Proof? All the sources seem to suggest Samsung are content - they were proven innocent in the case. The decision of the court to force Apple to advertise the results did seem a bit odd and possibly against a few EU laws and UK laws regarding competition.


As I said (and your inability to read again appears), you did not post the entire quote. The entire quote is important in the judgment, but as per usual Engadget only focus on that one small part of the judgment because it's sensationalist and right up their street. The full judgment doesn't suggest that coolness is purely measured on the judge's own personal opinion, which Engadget seem to be getting at, but on a huge rant in the middle of the judgment explaining the key differences between the iPad and the Tab - referring to both of them as being part of a Tablet family, where obvious similarities are unavoidable, yet there are still distinct differences between the two when looked up close.



No, NetCaptor alleges to have invented tabbed browsing. Over the years I have heard Opera claim they invented it, and Mozilla holds the patent for the actual existence of tabbed browsing (which they sued Microsoft over when Microsoft tried to use tabbed browsing which just goes to show what I'm talking about; EVERYONE abuses the corrupt patent system (http://yro.slashdot.org/story/07/04/01/0630203/mozilla-foundation-sues-microsoft-over-tabbed-browsing)). Microsoft never invented tabbed browsing and as far as I am aware never alleges they did.




It's engadget and all of those links only focusing on making a fun read despite only appealing to their stupid readers (they do not know any better as they do not have access to the full judgment, and have to go by what they say) which is the problem. It's like asking Engadget on their views of brain surgery, they will dumb it down and get it wrong, or make it seem more simpler than it actually is.


I send you 8 different links, none of them are Engadget, and you're talking about Engadget anyway. I don't really care about Engadget, so I'll just end this sentence by again pointing out that in the "full quote" you posted, two out of three sentences praised Apple. I'm also going to point out that the judges opinions aren't my opinions (just incase you got that confused again), and that I'd probably personally enjoy both tablets.




The case was heard by an English Court, so it's accurate :P Scotland and Ireland have different legal systems, and Wales is combined with ours. Though you can call it the UK as they all share the same principles and are hard to distinguish.

And as far as my earlier comparison goes, the Canadian and American legal syst moreso ems are based off England's than they are Scotland, Ireland or Wales :P.

[GommeInc]

You didn't like my quote because it supports Apple, so you give me a quote where 2/3rds of the sentences support Apple. Thanks.
Where on earth did I say this!? :S Jesus Christ, David, learn to read - I never said I hated the quote because it supports Apple - find me the post I said this (oh wait, you can't, because you skim over my posts and make stuff up - because you can't read). I said I dislike the fact that people are stuck on 2/3s of a quote thinking the Judge has a personal opinion that the iPad is cool, when, in actual fact he's talking about the reputation and impression the iPad gives off compared to the Tab. How on earth can you fail to read and make up such stupid accusations? That's literally your problem, you make information up to support your argument because you cannot read. Read back over my posts, I demand you learn to read for once in your life.


You're right it's an Apple (and Samsung) thread, so if you make posts about Apple and Samsung I am allowed to reply to your posts about Apple and Samsung. The only mountain I'm involved with right now is Mountain Lion . No, but in all seriousness you're the one who dramatises small things to do with Apple (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=7621235#post7621235), making them sound like Apple is the company at the heart of evil in this world. "It's about time Apple was put in their place" yada yada yada. You say things like that all the time and only direct it at Apple because you only hate Apple. How about what I've said this entire time which you seem to hate: it's about time THE ENTIRE PATENT SYSTEM was rethought out because ALL COMPANIES abuse it.
You're the one who has blown a gasket, failed to read the entire thread and make accusations based on virtually no information. You're the one who replied to a small post I made saying it's about time Apple were humilated for riding the legal system to define competition, which apparently means I must instantly think Apple is the only company to do this - yet nothing in that posts suggests this

Read back (the key word here is read), something you fail to do, because all you do is make remarks from no where and false accusations. Jesus Christ.


What's your goal here? To insult Apple to the maximum? The only reason you're unhappy with me is because I acknowledge Apple's patent system abuses inline with everybody elses', and why shouldn't I? Apple's just one of many companies who do this exact same thing. Unless you can miraculously prove to me somehow that Apple is 10x the abuser of everyone else in the entire industry then you really have no case here, because that's the only point I care to get across to you. Everyone abuses the system and the system itself needs to be changed. You can reply to me as many times as you wish and say, "Apple sucks they abuse the patent system," and you'd be right, but what do you want Apple to do, stop abusing it? Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, ASUS, Acer, Facebook and everyone else are still going to continue to keep on taking advantage of it. You're arguing a pointless point, don't treat Apple any more special then other companies, because in the end they all share the same objectives of dancing around the legal justice system in order to hurt others and make money.
No, the reason I am unhappy with you is because you blow a gasket in every thread to do with Apple because of your inability to read. Look over this thread, who was the first person to go insane over Apple? You. My post was small and harmless, but because you're the big Apple defender you come in guns at the ready to a water fight. It's truely pathetic, especially when you fail to read posts, make wild accusations because you can't read, make assumptions and generally have a poor attitude when it comes to anything to with Apple. Truely pathetic.


Okay then, show me your fiscal statistical analysis on how Apple starts trends and others make them better.
Oh, you mean my post that was an obvious opinion in a thread that was all about the opinions of users on whether or not they think Apple is done or not? Jesus Christ (again), you're so defensive of Apple. I was even backing Apple up saying they start trends (iPhone, iPod, iPad).


I send you 8 different links, none of them are Engadget, and you're talking about Engadget anyway. I don't really care about Engadget, so I'll just end this sentence by again pointing out that in the "full quote" you posted, two out of three sentences praised Apple. I'm also going to point out that the judges opinions aren't my opinions (just incase you got that confused again), and that I'd probably personally enjoy both tablets.
Never said his opinion was your opinion. Do you know why? Because (GUESS WHAT!), you can't read and have purely made that up :rolleyes: I was using Engadget as an example, and you clearly stated in that post "Notwithstanding Engadget it's cited on many different websites: <links>" which means that the websites under the colon ( : ) all cite Engadget, unless you do not know how to use a colon?

[HotelUser]

Where on earth did I say this!? :S Jesus Christ, David, learn to read - I never said I hated the quote because it supports Apple - find me the post I said this (oh wait, you can't, because you skim over my posts and make stuff up - because you can't read). I said I dislike the fact that people are stuck on 2/3s of a quote thinking the Judge has a personal opinion that the iPad is cool, when, in actual fact he's talking about the reputation and impression the iPad gives off compared to the Tab. How on earth can you fail to read and make up such stupid accusations? That's literally your problem, you make information up to support your argument because you cannot read. Read back over my posts, I demand you learn to read for once in your life.


You're the one who has blown a gasket, failed to read the entire thread and make accusations based on virtually no information. You're the one who replied to a small post I made saying it's about time Apple were humilated for riding the legal system to define competition, which apparently means I must instantly think Apple is the only company to do this - yet nothing in that posts suggests this

Read back (the key word here is read), something you fail to do, because all you do is make remarks from no where and false accusations. Jesus Christ.


No, the reason I am unhappy with you is because you blow a gasket in every thread to do with Apple because of your inability to read. Look over this thread, who was the first person to go insane over Apple? You. My post was small and harmless, but because you're the big Apple defender you come in guns at the ready to a water fight. It's truely pathetic, especially when you fail to read posts, make wild accusations because you can't read, make assumptions and generally have a poor attitude when it comes to anything to with Apple. Truely pathetic.


Oh, you mean my post that was an obvious opinion in a thread that was all about the opinions of users on whether or not they think Apple is done or not? Jesus Christ (again), you're so defensive of Apple. I was even backing Apple up saying they start trends (iPhone, iPod, iPad).


Never said his opinion was your opinion. Do you know why? Because (GUESS WHAT!), you can't read and have purely made that up :rolleyes: I was using Engadget as an example, and you clearly stated in that post "Notwithstanding Engadget it's cited on many different websites: <links>" which means that the websites under the colon ( : ) all cite Engadget, unless you do not know how to use a colon?

And the reason that I have a problem with you is because as soon as someone says even the most minor thing about Apple, you lightening-bolt to jump on the bandwagon and dish out petty hatred towards the company because you have a misplaced vendetta against them and think they're worse and more controlling than Stalin and you do so completely blind to the fact that Apple is, in no way shape or form, different from every single other major software/hardware company in that they like to make money. Especially when it comes to screwing over each-other with patents and controlling as many aspects of the industry as possible :rolleyes:.

[GommeInc]

And the reason that I have a problem with you is because as soon as someone says even the most minor thing about Apple, you lightening-bolt to jump on the bandwagon and dish out petty hatred towards the company because you have a misplaced vendetta against them and think they're worse and more controlling than Stalin and you do so completely blind to the fact that Apple is, in no way shape or form, different from every single other major software/hardware company in that they like to make money. Especially when it comes to screwing over each-other with patents and controlling as many aspects of the industry as possible :rolleyes:.
And to end this discussion - it is you who over-reacts in all these threads. Look back over my post, I made no hint that Apple is in any way the only company that does this (I reiterate the fact you didn't read the post and just made the usual defensive attack).

Seriously, you should stop over-reacting and perhaps consider the importance of reading rather than making baseless assumptions :rolleyes:

[HotelUser]

And to end this discussion - it is you who over-reacts in all these threads. Look back over my post, I made no hint that Apple is in any way the only company that does this (I reiterate the fact you didn't read the post and just made the usual defensive attack).

Seriously, you should stop over-reacting and perhaps consider the importance of reading rather than making baseless assumptions :rolleyes:


The very first thing either of us said in this thread was you saying, "Good, it's about time Apple were told who's boss". If you said something negative about the patent system (because that's actually the problem, not Apple), then I would have agreed with what you said. Since you choose to spew out the usual anti-Apple crap, I felt more obligated to point out 20 times to you that all companies in this industry abuse the system and that you're silly to let your personal hatred towards Apple allow you to just continue to target Apple and ignore the heart of the problem (which to point out again is actually the system itself, not the company which you worry about blowing up the world (Apple)).

[GommeInc]

The very first thing either of us said in this thread was you saying, "Good, it's about time Apple were told who's boss". If you said something negative about the patent system (because that's actually the problem, not Apple), then I would have agreed with what you said. Since you choose to spew out the usual anti-Apple crap, I felt more obligated to point out 20 times to you that all companies in this industry abuse the system and that you're silly to let your personal hatred towards Apple allow you to just continue to target Apple and ignore the heart of the problem (which to point out again is actually the system itself, not the company which you worry about blowing up the world (Apple)).
And your love of assumptions led you to look incredibly silly infront of everyone. This is a thread about Apple, hence the immediate comment about Apple. The patent system is problematic, I didn't say it wasn't (but your failure to read and indeed cast wild assumptions made you think I did).

The rest of your post was your usual bile and silly comments which are as good as ignored.

[HotelUser]

And your love of assumptions led you to look incredibly silly infront of everyone. This is a thread about Apple, hence the immediate comment about Apple. The patent system is problematic, I didn't say it wasn't (but your failure to read and indeed cast wild assumptions made you think I did).

The rest of your post was your usual bile and silly comments which are as good as ignored.

I shall choose to ignore all else you've said and focus on only this.

[GommeInc]

I shall choose to ignore all else you've said and focus on only this.
Well I shall give you partial credit for reading for once, though as per usual you miss out the important part: "I didn't say it wasn't."

[HotelUser]

you miss out the important part: "I didn't say it wasn't."

My entire problem with you is your failure to explicitly agree with me that Apple is only a guilty as everybody else.

"Learn to read" *insert dramatic eye roll emote here*

[mrwoooooooo]

who the hell cares about hardware designs anyway

its the software that makes them different.

[GommeInc]

My entire problem with you is your failure to explicitly agree with me that Apple is only a guilty as everybody else.

"Learn to read" *insert dramatic eye roll emote here*
I do agree :S Did you not read my "the whole patent system is problematic" comment, or is your failure to read again becoming yet an ongoing problem with you?

[HotelUser]

I do agree :S Did you not read my "the whole patent system is problematic" comment, or is your failure to read again becoming yet an ongoing problem with you?

Hi Gomme "learn to read" Gomme:


My entire problem with you is your failure to explicitly agree with me that Apple is only a guilty as everybody else.

Instead of not contributing anything to our discussion other than baselessly insulting my intelligence because you don't know anything else to say (all Apple bashed out I suppose), why not make me happy and tell me Apple isn't evil and isn't the biggest hands down abuser of the market (I can only ask like a billion times, maybe one of these times "your failure to read" won't continue to be an ongoing problem). What's wrong, "the whole patent system is problematic" is the tiny scapegoat sentence you'll cling to here so you don't have to explicitly come out and put Apple's patent evilness rating in the same basket as everyone else's?

[Flisker]

I think we have all established now that the patent system is corrupt in most countries and companies of any size abuse it to get back at their rivals whether it's a personal vendetta or not.

I know you two are attempting at a civil -somewhat heated - discussion but you are getting to the point where you're about to do something stupid.

[GommeInc]

Hi Gomme "learn to read" Gomme:
And I answered it with "I do agree", not that I needed to as I clearly didn't say Apple was the only offender to begin with. Is this really what this discussion has turned into? Pointing out your failure to read posts and make assumptions?


Instead of not contributing anything to our discussion other than baselessly insulting my intelligence because you don't know anything else to say (all Apple bashed out I suppose), why not make me happy and tell me Apple isn't evil and isn't the biggest hands down abuser of the market (I can only ask like a billion times, maybe one of these times "your failure to read" won't continue to be an ongoing problem). What's wrong, "the whole patent system is problematic" is the tiny scapegoat sentence you'll cling to here so you don't have to explicitly come out and put Apple's patent evilness rating in the same basket as everyone else's?
Oh do shh, I have been, it is your inability to read my posts which is the problem here. I have made meaningful posts, but it is your lack of meaningful points which is the problem, because you completely ignore my posts to get over some point no-one needs to care about.

Besides, I can't insult intelligence when there doesn't appear to be any to insult ;)

Read my posts over and over again until it sinks in. The post you even quoted says: "I do agree." It was your failure to read any of my posts to begin with that has caused this pointless discussion, because you assume that because I did not explicitly say Apple isn't the only company to leech off the patent system, that must instantly mean that I think it is - yet this was your crazy assumpton because you've deluded yourself with the "I am the Apple Protector" title which has clouded your vision (and your ability to read posts) and has made you make information off the top of your head, like you do in any tech topic - previous threads are evidence of your deluded nature and lack of understanding. Either that, or because you completely mucked up your first posts (which were immediately shot down as rubbish) that this is the only point you have left, which is equally bizarre.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=747405&p=7534055#post7534055
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=747405&p=7534074#post7534074
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=737122&p=7425785#post7425785

How can you not comprehend that?! Seriously David, I don't get what your problem is! You've completely destroyed this topic because you feel the need to be the big Apple defender, insulting people by showing a lack of ability to read, making accusations from thin air and half of your posts literally start off with comments that are completely unrelated to the posts you've quoted - or you simply ignore the important parts of quotes (as you do with any reliable source too, the case for example) - it's like you completely ignore any posts people make just to get over some point that you love Apple and feel compelled to defend it even when it doesn't need it, and hide behind the "I don't only defend Apple" idea despite the fact this thread is testament to the fact you must clearly be an Apple fanboy because you ignore all the relevant information by purposely not reading posts just to get over some rather pathetic point across, which is in turn evidence that you purposely do not read posts - and the circle continues.

[peteyt]

now now guys calm down. Just like apple and the others you two are just coming off as as bad as each other lol

[HotelUser]

I think we have all established now that the patent system is corrupt in most countries and companies of any size abuse it to get back at their rivals whether it's a personal vendetta or not.

I know you two are attempting at a civil -somewhat heated - discussion but you are getting to the point where you're about to do something stupid.

Agreed. I have made the points I wanted to regarding how the problem is to do with the industry (blaming Apple, as well as other corps too of course), and I'm going to abstain from quoting Gomme any further. If he wants to sit in his anti-Apple tower and dance around baselessly insulting me he may do so, but I for one don't wish to get worked up as such and respond in an equally meritless way.

I may enjoy Apple, love my Microsoft peripherals and cling dearly to my cyanogen flavored Android tablets, but I'm always going to argue protecting consumers from all these companies when I feel it's necessary :)

[GommeInc]

Agreed. I have made the points I wanted to regarding how the problem is to do with the industry (blaming Apple, as well as other corps too of course), and I'm going to abstain from quoting Gomme any further. If he wants to sit in his anti-Apple tower and dance around baselessly insulting me he may do so, but I for one don't wish to get worked up as such and respond in an equally meritless way.

I may enjoy Apple, love my Microsoft peripherals and cling dearly to my cyanogen flavored Android tablets, but I'm always going to argue protecting consumers from all these companies when I feel it's necessary :)
I'm not completely anti-Apple... If you read my posts you might learn something, other than ignore them and end the discussion because you fail to come back with any answersor anything worthy of discussion. I hate the patent system yet you completely blank that fact and turn a thread around because you think I do not and fail to acknolwedge this. Hence why my quotes were becoming malicious because you ignored my posts, which is incredibly rude.

Consumers don't need protecting, the problem with the patent system isn't that it protects customers (or attacks them as the case may be), the problem with the patent system is that it ignores the customers. Customers are apparently nothing to do with competition, they barely feature in competition law, yet consumers are the ones that set the competition standards by what they buy and prefer - not the courts as I stated already in the thread (you're yet to comment on this fact). It's madness that the patent system is damaging to the industry and consumer choice.

Besides, most of your argument was based on this idea you have that apparently I think Apple is the only one that abuses the patent system, and went on to spend 2 pages rabbiting on about how I should admit that it doesn't, when I never said it did. You didn't mention anything about protecting consumers from these companies in any of your posts. I was the first to mention consumer choice in this post (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=754484&p=7625643#post7625643). Your response was a baseless remark that my "home company" has been doing it for years (baseless in the sense that 1. I must really love Microsoft and 2. That I'm not aware of this), making no reference to the fact that I said the consumer should decide what the competition is, not Microsoft or Apple (you did your usual protect Apple tirade blanking most of my posts, again very rude).

[Recursion]

Looks like we have a couple of bad Apples in the thread. badumtish.


​Ok, I'll go.