Guardian System

[Shorty]

Habbo has started to add some of the guardian system to their client, it looks as though Guardians will be able to resolve bullying issues by checking a chatlog and then being able to vote "OK, Bad or Very Bad" to the issue. The system will make multiple guardians able to vote on the issue.

I could be wrong about the system, but at the moment it looks as though they have a voting system in place and "chatlog" is mentioned within the verdict system.

Id say this user interface is near enough final design now, it could be tweaked within these '2 weeks' of testing however I don't think it will be major changed now.

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Little watermark so people don't claim the image.

[MKR&*42]

Even though it's a little snippet, seems quite interesting I suppose. Not saying I agree/disagree with it, it just seems quite interesting haha. Any idea when it will be implemented or do you only know a very minor bit of it? :P

[Shorty]

I think Abdicators mentioned that the Guardian system will be introduced as soon as Habbo.com has the old blacklist filter back, which is around 2-3 weeks according to Paul/Abdicators.

[Aaron]

An interesting image there, from what I re-call Paul said about introducing the Guardian System in August some time! :P

[MKR&*42]

I think @Abdicators (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=98000) mentioned that the Guardian system will be introduced as soon as Habbo.com has the old blacklist filter back, which is around 2-3 weeks according to Paul/Abdicators.

Oh hmm, Hope I'll be around to witness how it turns out! :)

[sex]

I hope he makes it so Habbos have to be 100% before they can become guardians, but this looks very cool. cant wait to see it in action :P

[Jarkie]

I'm really liking the looks of this! Great images once again short! :)

[Dean]

Any more images, especially the one hidden on the right? :P

[Jarkie]

Any more images, especially the one hidden on the right? :P

Haha i was thinking that! :P If there are usernames, just hide them shorty ;)

[Shorty]

Haha i was thinking that! :P If there are usernames, just hide them shorty ;)

You're not missing much, it's just the "Ok, Bad or Very Bad" I was talking about, which will eventually have a chatlog.. at the moment nothing is coded it's all early designs of the system.

[Abdicators]

The system is going to be sent to all online guardians to help review other guardians. No users names are ever shown in the system, so that there can be no bias. Several Guardians vote on your activity and the average of those votes is taken in an attempt to stamp out trolls who just say no.

Having your activities voted as good is required to move up the guardian tree.

[Jarkie]

The system is going to be sent to all online guardians to help review other guardians. No users names are ever shown in the system, so that there can be no bias. Several Guardians vote on your activity and the average of those votes is taken in an attempt to stamp out trolls who just say no.

Having your activities voted as good is required to move up the guardian tree.

Oh that sounds good, I guess. But do people really spam the CFH anymore? I always thought that was an olden habbo styled thing. But with this new system, there will be so many calls.

[Logandyer45]

Will we be able to help with the Guardian's? Will it be in the Helper Tool thing?

[Fifty-Six]

Seems alright. Having the option to rate/vote is good too. Interesting to see how the "picking" of Guardians will unfold.

[Agesilaus]

This is interesting, I wonder what else will come with it. Paul keeps going on about Kick Powers or something. I only hope that Guardians will have strict requirements to become one to filter out the trolls.

I wonder if anything happens when Guardians vote 'very bad' to a bullying situation. Does it go to the mods or does something happen to the player that is being reported?


I think @Abdicators (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=98000) mentioned that the Guardian system will be introduced as soon as Habbo.com has the old blacklist filter back, which is around 2-3 weeks according to Paul/Abdicators.
I think it will be earlier, they said something about it coming in next week, But if its still in the early stages, it will be later. From what I'm hearing, very early August.


You're not missing much, it's just the "Ok, Bad or Very Bad" I was talking about, which will eventually have a chatlog.. at the moment nothing is coded it's all early designs of the system.
Nothing is coded? Paul said they "already had the basics of the system, so development is fast thx" I'm like "okay then, so what's the hold up?" I thought it would be the case. By all means, we need to give them time to get the system right.

[Shorty]

Nothing is coded? Paul said they "already had the basics of the system, so development is fast thx" I'm like "okay then, so what's the hold up?" I thought it would be the case. By all means, we need to give them time to get the system right.

Habbo have a test hotel where the system could already be fully implemented, however in public builds it's only just being introduced.

[Lewis]

I hope he makes it so Habbos have to be 100% before they can become guardians, but this looks very cool. cant wait to see it in action :P


I hope they dont. I am a 100% habbo, but I moved accounts and im only on a 60% :(?

[sex]

I hope they dont. I am a 100% habbo, but I moved accounts and im only on a 60% :(?

i read somewhere thats its 100% habbo
level 9 online time and 100% resp badge

[jimi]

I suggested a system like this to Paul. I think this is a good system, lets just wait and see if it really is that good.

[Abdicators]

Silly idea to be based on respect. Not many users got it without cloning and respecting them selves.

[Pigperson]

Looks interesting, I guess it's a step forward :P

Will

[Mark]

Oh I'm getting excited! Hopefully all of this works fine.

[Shorty]

I hope they dont. I am a 100% habbo, but I moved accounts and im only on a 60% :(?


i read somewhere thats its 100% habbo
level 9 online time and 100% resp badge

I noticed hilipatihei has been boosting his online time a lot recently, maybe he's wanting to test a certain feature in the future? :-) However, I'm probably wrong as he could just edit his user info. =P

[iBlueBox]

Hopefully, It will be 100% on online time, respect and full habbo. You don't want every habbo being a guardian.

[Kittysoft]

Hopefully, It will be 100% on online time, respect and full habbo. You don't want every habbo being a guardian.

How many Habbos actually have the online time badge? I'm 27000 minutes away from it and I've been active on Habbo for many years.

Maybe the badge for logging in every day would be a better badge to use?

[Jarkie]

I noticed @hilipatihei (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=101958) has been boosting his online time a lot recently, maybe he's wanting to test a certain feature in the future? :-) However, I'm probably wrong as he could just edit his user info. =P

Haha i did ask him, how come he is online alot lately. and he said "It's top secret ;)" - His words, then he went offline lmao.


Hopefully, It will be 100% on online time, respect and full habbo. You don't want every habbo being a guardian.

No, this will become annoying, I have been playing since 2005 and I'm only on level 9. They should do the 'true habbo' one and 'days logged in' + Judge someone on their bans and warnings. Etc.

[iBlueBox]

How many Habbos actually have the online time badge? I'm 27000 minutes away from it and I've been active on Habbo for many years.

Maybe the badge for logging in every day would be a better badge to use?


Well to be honest, Habbo probably does not want too many guardians, because too many might make the system weak? So surly they will have to come up with some sort of 'credentials' to decide.

Though however they do seem a bit high.

Problem with guardians is you might have the whole unfairness again such as Hobbas ect.

[Kittysoft]

Well to be honest, Habbo probably does not want too many guardians, because too many might make the system weak? So surly they will have to come up with some sort of 'credentials' to decide.

Though however they do seem a bit high.

Problem with guardians is you might have the whole unfairness again such as Hobbas ect.

I completely agree with this, but if the restrictions mean that there are too few Habbo Guardians, then the Guardian system become ineffective and pointless. Personally, I think that Habbo would probably work best with about 250 Guardians, and I don't think that number of Habbos have the Online Time X badge. Habbo knows the statistics and will probably pick the correct requirements to create an effectively sized number of Guardians, at least when it is 1st implemented.

[MKR&*42]

Dont believe it should be based upon true Habbo or the respect badge... I know many people who have created accs when they're 7/8, and they would get the true Habbo XX badge when they're 12/13 so it doesn't really help at eliminating less mature people to use the programme.

Besides, there are still a large number of XX users who troll and act like **** on the hotel anyway, unless Sulake don't make the entire system automatic it will not succeed as well as we'd hope it to.

[tm]

How many Habbos actually have the online time badge? I'm 27000 minutes away from it and I've been active on Habbo for many years.

Maybe the badge for logging in every day would be a better badge to use?

I'm on every day and sometimes spend 10+ hours logged in and I'm still quite a way off. Granted, it did glitch for about 3 months for me and it didn't move...
For most people 138240 mins online is something that just isn't going to happen without boosting, leaving client open overnight, for an extended period. 96 DAYS online is pretty silly.

After checking my achievements I've got another 18816mins left which at the current rate will take at least another two to three months.

In comparison I've spent a total of 77250 mins playing CoD MW2 (21948), CoD Black Ops (38202) and CoD MW3 (17100) put together over the last THREE(ish) YEARS - and I play quite a bit.
That's only 55% of the level X online time on Habbo.

OT: I have no idea what good requirements would even be. Every achievement is boostable to some degree and if selection is automatic as Paul the fountain suggests there would be no way for them to stop people boosting for it and getting it when it isn't really deserved.

[MKR&*42]

Ok am I just a mega addict then, I got like online time X after 2 years LMFAO. I was really really into the game back then, but I must admit a lot of old players still don't have X badge and to base it on that seems a bit silly.

I really wish he wouldn't base everything upon badges, he's using automatic systems and it's making him and his staff very lazy. Once someone finds a loophole in an automatic system (i.e. boosting) then you require a manual method to fix it, he can't solely depend upon technology. If it was based upon Respect, Online time and Acc age;

1) People buy/sell accounts via other sites.
2) It's not hard to leave your client window open and just use an autoclicker to keep you alive.
3) You can do 3 resp 1 furni giveaways lol.

2304 hours is for X. If someone keeps their client window open 24 hours a day (without d/cing bizarrely) via an autotyper/autoclicker, then they can get that in 10 days... if they really want to endure the electricity bill lol.

[karter]

i have all the x badges needed except the 100% true habbo one

[Shorty]

Nobody knows the true requirements for the Guardian system, I'm pretty sure nothing has been said yet. We'll learn more about it once it's announced by Sulake within the coming weeks.

[Abdicators]

I'd throw something like

True Habbo - X (Not XX)
Online Time - V (Not X)
True Helper - ? (Be a helper for 31 days)
Guide Kudos - ? (Earn 50 Recommendations)
Helping Hand - ? (Handle 100 Calls)
On Duty - ? (Be on duty for 16 hours)
Tour Guide - ? (Be on tour as a guide for 3 hours)

The above should unlock the ability to review other guardians. After 20/25 guardian reviews you should unlock the first tier of Guardian powers/get to the stage where a staff member validates you.

[Shorty]

I'd throw something like

True Habbo - X (Not XX)
Online Time - V (Not X)
True Helper - ? (Be a helper for 31 days)
Guide Kudos - ? (Earn 50 Recommendations)
Helping Hand - ? (Handle 100 Calls)
On Duty - ? (Be on duty for 16 hours)
Tour Guide - ? (Be on tour as a guide for 3 hours)

The above should unlock the ability to review other guardians. After 20/25 guardian reviews you should unlock the first tier of Guardian powers/get to the stage where a staff member validates you.

That would probably be about right, they should probably sort these automated bans out first though just got banned for the 2nd time this week. Sick of this system, it's making me realise the reason for joining private servers. You dont get any support for at least 7 days and by then the ban has expired.

[Okeanos]

meeting some lame criteria should not entitle you to become a guardian (if it even happens, which is doubtful). in my opinion, only people who pass a strict criteria (including proving you're 18+) should enable you to apply, but whether you become one or not is down to a personal written application.

[GoldenMerc]

Find it funny people who are saying oh it should be online time etc most likely have that achievement, never the less my accounts from 2006 and i don't think im anywhere near that achievement nor am i close to the logging in for 92 days or what ever, i feel those achievements arn't "hard" just silly and making people feel like they deserve a badge for ether boosting it, or seriously addicted to Habbo.
Never the less hopefully its not as biased or chosen as Habbo X's but we will see

[Abdicators]

meeting some lame criteria should not entitle you to become a guardian (if it even happens, which is doubtful). in my opinion, only people who pass a strict criteria (including proving you're 18+) should enable you to apply, but whether you become one or not is down to a personal written application.

Too many people would try and apply for that to be a good way of doing it. With the Hobba scheme applications were open over a stretched period of time, and many users were younger which meant checks could be done easier. If they were to do that now there would be hundreds of people all send of their Id to prove they are old enough.


Find it funny people who are saying oh it should be online time etc most likely have that achievement, never the less my accounts from 2006 and i don't think im anywhere near that achievement nor am i close to the logging in for 92 days or what ever, i feel those achievements arn't "hard" just silly and making people feel like they deserve a badge for ether boosting it, or seriously addicted to Habbo.
Never the less hopefully its not as biased or chosen as Habbo X's but we will see

I agree that using online time to such a high degree is stupid. I don't see the problem using something such as Online Time Level V, as to even be a helper you need Online Time Level III. I am worried about how the "lead guardians" are going to be chosen.

[Shorty]

meeting some lame criteria should not entitle you to become a guardian (if it even happens, which is doubtful). in my opinion, only people who pass a strict criteria (including proving you're 18+) should enable you to apply, but whether you become one or not is down to a personal written application.

I doubt there will be any applications like the old Hobba system, the idea of Guardians was to make it so it doesn't require as much staff attention and to allow it to run on it's own.

The only time staff will come into play, is possibly the highest level of Guardians other than that other Guardians will review other Guardians as shown in the first screenshot.*

*As far as I'm aware.

[iBlueBox]

Think it should also be brought in the amount of times one person has been banned on that account.

[Abdicators]

Think it should also be brought in the amount of times one person has been banned on that account.

I think it will be. They checked this with Hobbas (you was allowed to be banned a maximum of three times to be considered); but I think they are now going to check total bans across your id.

[MKR&*42]

If it is based on bans, unfortunate for those who've endured false bans in the past 2 years haha.

IT IMMEDIATELY EXCLUDES ME BECAUSE OF MY 50+ Bans. (Not to mention how many are for sexual :)). I guarantee McDonalds; has had more than me though haha.

[geo]

If it is based on bans, unfortunate for those who've endured false bans in the past 2 years haha.

IT IMMEDIATELY EXCLUDES ME BECAUSE OF MY 50+ Bans. (Not to mention how many are for sexual :)). I guarantee @McDonalds (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=72158); has had more than me though haha.

I've had so many bans. Usually if I get banned on McDonalds I would moan at mods and then get banned on all my other clones haha. :P But not recently, I've been really good. I think I've just had two 1 hour mutes. :P

[MKR&*42]

I've had so many bans. Usually if I get banned on McDonalds I would moan at mods and then get banned on all my other clones haha. :P But not recently, I've been really good. I think I've just had two 1 hour mutes. :P

My last ban was months ago as well haha ;) only cause I stopped playing LMAO. I think they just have a hard time telling the difference between sexual jokes and full on sexual activity haha.

AND ALSO, I WAS UNDERWATER ONCE SAYING "SUCKS MY SNORKEL" AND THEY THOUGHT I MEANT... YEAH... AND BANNED ME :(. I was genuinely in water omg.

[Agesilaus]

I agree with an age limit to stuff like this. There are ways they can properly have it verified. It's good if they decide to do that. If they are going to take bans into consideration when reviewing an account to see if they are right to become a Guardian, they should at least double check to see if they are legitimant before saying yes or no. They should also not accept people who have too many bans or get banned all of the time or have been banned recently, providing the bans are fair.

There is so much they should do in order to help keep the system as clean as possible.


Habbo have a test hotel where the system could already be fully implemented, however in public builds it's only just being introduced.

That makes sense. =]

[iBlueBox]

I agree with an age limit to stuff like this. There are ways they can properly have it verified. It's good if they decide to do that. If they are going to take bans into consideration when reviewing an account to see if they are right to become a Guardian, they should at least double check to see if they are legitimant before saying yes or no. They should also not accept people who have too many bans or get banned all of the time or have been banned recently, providing the bans are fair.

There is so much they should do in order to help keep the system as clean as possible.



That makes sense. =]

I agree that you should have to be a certain age.

But how exactly would that be proving? I mean the Hobba program shown that people still lied about the ages.
Very hard to prove over the internet,

Unless habbo would want a scan of your ID.

[santa-my-nana]

meeting some lame criteria should not entitle you to become a guardian (if it even happens, which is doubtful). in my opinion, only people who pass a strict criteria (including proving you're 18+) should enable you to apply, but whether you become one or not is down to a personal written application.

I would just like to pick up on this point from earlier on. Why should staff members/Guardians be 18+, Whats wrong with 16+. If by law at 16 you can work and get paid for it. If its a question of maturity there is a lot of young site owners out there who are very mature and begin the site at a young age. Say you had just met someone, they impressed you and you did not know what age they were, if you turned them away because of there age it would be discriminatory, habbo has already been attacked once, I don't think they want it again but for discrimination

[Tidings]

looks interesting, they way we have to review the moderators.. like they cant do their job properly.. :')

[Okeanos]

But how exactly would that be proving? I mean the Hobba program shown that people still lied about the ages.
Very hard to prove over the internet,

A CRB check would prove someone's age and make sure they're not a creepy perv at the same time. But maybe that's a bit too ott. I don't recall any UK hobbas who lied about their age, certainly not any gold/super hobbas.


I would just like to pick up on this point from earlier on. Why should staff members/Guardians be 18+, Whats wrong with 16+. If by law at 16 you can work and get paid for it. If its a question of maturity there is a lot of young site owners out there who are very mature and begin the site at a young age. Say you had just met someone, they impressed you and you did not know what age they were, if you turned them away because of there age it would be discriminatory, habbo has already been attacked once, I don't think they want it again but for discrimination

I'd prefer it to be 21+ because 18 year olds are hardly better than 16 but that will never happen. Obviously people under 18 will disagree but in general they're too petty and silly to be trusted with a position of responsibility. There are exceptions of course, but you have to draw the line somewhere. That said, for all we know guardians might be little better than habbo Xs in which case a minimum age limit wouldnt be needed.

[MKR&*42]

I'd prefer it to be 21+ because 18 year olds are hardly better than 16 but that will never happen. Obviously people under 18 will disagree but in general they're too petty and silly to be trusted with a position of responsibility. There are exceptions of course, but you have to draw the line somewhere. That said, for all we know guardians might be little better than habbo Xs in which case an age limit wouldnt be needed.

Oh. Hmm, why did I quote you. Oh yes I know why haha.

I completely agree with all of that^. Although there are a minority of 16 year olds who do behave maturely and can uphold a high standard of responsibility, the overall stance is that the large % of them aren't responsible or mentally mature enough to deal with moderating a large community. The UN (I believe it's UN Law, not sure) considers people "adults" at 18 for a very good reason, because that's the average age most people... in a sense "mature" and I don't think a few minorities should bring the limit down to 16.

I wouldn't go as far to make it 21+, I'd say 19+. In the US/CA/AU maybe idk, and idk about SG you will be out of school by the time you're 19. I'd rather not see 16/17/18 year olds throw away their education because they're too busy moderating a virtual community.

[santa-my-nana]

Oh. Hmm, why did I quote you. Oh yes I know why haha.

I completely agree with all of that^. Although there are a minority of 16 year olds who do behave maturely and can uphold a high standard of responsibility, the overall stance is that the large % of them aren't responsible or mentally mature enough to deal with moderating a large community. The UN (I believe it's UN Law, not sure) considers people "adults" at 18 for a very good reason, because that's the average age most people... in a sense "mature" and I don't think a few minorities should bring the limit down to 16.

I wouldn't go as far to make it 21+, I'd say 19+. In the US/CA/AU maybe idk, and idk about SG you will be out of school by the time you're 19. I'd rather not see 16/17/18 year olds throw away their education because they're too busy moderating a virtual community.

I have to agree that there is a minority of people who are 16 and are mature,I see your point about throwing away education but when i go to college in September I will be studying creative media, acting and buisness studies, now i'm going to be while creating my own site (Part of the creative media and buisness studies curriculum) but also part is moderation, so some people may be throwing there education away but some maybe trying to gain one, This sort of stuff should not be determined by age otherwise you are denying those who are mature enough and some who are more mature than some other older users a CHANCE. Lifes about own choices, if someone does not want an education, maybe because its not right for them, should they not be aloud this chance to go for it who feels better suited in a virtual environment or someone like myself who is wanting a chance because of my education. My question is it fair. I think if it did require an age limit you might as well require a formal application process just like any job and a CV, I think a CV speaks for a person a long with a personal statement and record of achievement, this can show you what a person is like a long with how they present them selves.


A CRB check would prove someone's age and make sure they're not a creepy perv at the same time. But maybe that's a bit too ott. I don't recall any UK hobbas who lied about their age, certainly not any gold/super hobbas.



I'd prefer it to be 21+ because 18 year olds are hardly better than 16 but that will never happen. Obviously people under 18 will disagree but in general they're too petty and silly to be trusted with a position of responsibility. There are exceptions of course, but you have to draw the line somewhere. That said, for all we know guardians might be little better than habbo Xs in which case a minimum age limit wouldnt be needed.

I would say 21+ is a bit hefty, read above what I just said as it links to the majority of this. This last week I have been on a trip with many young people around the country and im living with them again this week, and we are doing community projects in our area, you would not believe how many of them are so mature and they are all under 18, the first week we were doing team building exercisers but this week we are doing the more creative side and building our community project for the good of our community, if you got turned away and you knew you were a really good moderator who was really mature but they didnt know about any of the stuff you done, How would you feel?

[Bill]

I cannot see there being an age limit on the Guardians. I could be wrong but I don't think guardians will have to provide any identification and I also do not believe there will be a numerical limit on how many there will be. I think a lot of people are going to be very disappointed.

[GommeInc]

I've sure that goes against a privacy policy somewhere, to allow snitches to go through private conversations to check for bullying. It seems like a system that could be abused and again derails the whole point of the original problem with Habbo, that those paid to do their jobs simply get away with being unaccountable again.

[Kardan]

Giving Habbos power with minimal staff supervision means some Habbos will abuse their privileges.

Although the on/off duty thing is handy, would've been nice to have had that in the eXperts program - would turn override on and off aswell :)

[Abdicators]

I cannot see there being an age limit on the Guardians. I could be wrong but I don't think guardians will have to provide any identification and I also do not believe there will be a numerical limit on how many there will be. I think a lot of people are going to be very disappointed.

This. I also think some of you are a little too worried about this age thing, Guardians are not going to have the power to review room chat logs, as far as i'm aware the only power they are going to have is to mute, kick and room ban users in the room they have been called too. Any actions they make will have to be based on what they see in the room once they get there.

[LiquidLuck.]

Seems pretty cool and I can't wait for the free chat to be back.

[atpeak]

I think people are getting way too carried away. Hobbas will never be back like pre 05 because of security and legal reasons. Hobbas were the main moderators of the hotel whilst a staff member would supervise them 24/7. This new Guardian system is a gimmick like the Habbo X team who were pretty much pants, laughed at and most didn't even care about them (nor did the staff), sorry but I'm being brutally honest here.

Hobbas were widely respected by 90% of the community on Habbo (excluding the noob 10%). Their presence in a room would change peoples behavior etc whilst they sat idle with their Gold Hobba badge.

They had powers, real powers: Kick, Room Kick, Ban and Alert, Room override, chatlogs as standard for Gold.

Habbo X's had room override and a badge that meant nothing to others.

Oh yeah who remembers scambusters?

[Bob1]

Sounds like a fairly new take on a very familiar system, I'm intrigued I'll give them that. Personally I still don't think it sounds effective at the moment and can still see obvious problems/old mistakes being remade but wouldn't like to assume based on the small snippets of info.



Oh yeah who remembers scambusters?
LOL...

[TonyBest]

Like some people here said the system may be abused slightly, but it is looking like it might be good.

[Shorty]

Everything is starting to take more shape!

http://i.imgur.com/XSU1K.png

[Abdicators]

Shorty cheats in races. so here is another one of the screens that he missed to try and beat me. >: (

http://screensnapr.com/e/Pz6txr.jpg

[Shorty]

Shorty cheats in races. so here is another one of the screens that he missed to try and beat me. >: (

http://screensnapr.com/e/Pz6txr.jpg

Haha :3

New Page:
http://i.imgur.com/XSU1K.png

[Jarkie]

Everything is starting to take more shape!

http://i.imgur.com/XSU1K.png

Looking rather odd.. :S

[Shorty]

Looking rather odd.. :S

http://i.imgur.com/878zW.png

1. You as a Guardian get a request.
2. You review the guide, it will display everything the guide said.
3. Votes are gathered from other Guardians
4. The votes are added together and a conclusion made.

[Jarkie]

http://i.imgur.com/878zW.png

1. You as a Guardian get a request.
2. You review the guide, it will display everything the guide said.
3. Votes are gathered from other Guardians
4. The votes are added together and a conclusion made.

Oh I see, Seems a little clearer, can't wait to have a play with it tbh! Roll on next week :)

[Bob1]

So the new Guardian system is essentially like... Big Brother.... ? Yeh, in my earlier post when I said I'd reserve judgement, I take that back. This seems hideous.

[atpeak]

What are they voting on? I don't get it

[Agesilaus]

A CRB check would prove someone's age and make sure they're not a creepy perv at the same time. But maybe that's a bit too ott. I don't recall any UK hobbas who lied about their age, certainly not any gold/super hobbas.
I have to agree there. They must have done some sort of verification back in the day, a part from Habbo account record, because I would say all of the Hobbas I knew about definitely were over 18, I did hear some rumour about under age Hobbas, but it was very small and I dont even know if it was true! That's on the UK hotel anyway. But, any costs involved in getting a person vetted for this should pay back the money ten fold for helping to maintain the quality of a well intentioned system that helps a product.


I'd prefer it to be 21+ because 18 year olds are hardly better than 16 but that will never happen. Obviously people under 18 will disagree but in general they're too petty and silly to be trusted with a position of responsibility. There are exceptions of course, but you have to draw the line somewhere. That said, for all we know guardians might be little better than habbo Xs in which case a minimum age limit wouldnt be needed.
Definitely agreeable there. 18 is not a bad age really when you look at it. You should have some sense of responsibility, coming out of school, going into uni and getting a job by that stage.

I would have to say that Guardians will be much better than Xs, given that they will have tools to help people. My only hope is that people will use the tools for the right reasons and to do good for Habbo. That's why it is important for the developers to have a system in place to filter out trolls and only let people in with a good sense of maturity, so we can get the best out of the system.


I cannot see there being an age limit on the Guardians. I could be wrong but I don't think guardians will have to provide any identification and I also do not believe there will be a numerical limit on how many there will be. I think a lot of people are going to be very disappointed.
I fear this will be the truth.


I've sure that goes against a privacy policy somewhere, to allow snitches to go through private conversations to check for bullying. It seems like a system that could be abused and again derails the whole point of the original problem with Habbo, that those paid to do their jobs simply get away with being unaccountable again.
I get the feeling that Guardians will NOT be able to see who is saying what, rather than a mask to distinguish between the victims and the bullies. I don’t think we will get to see who says what in the situation. That’s the impression I’m getting with some of these screenshots anyway.

Giving Habbos power with minimal staff supervision means some Habbos will abuse their privileges.


Giving Habbos power with minimal staff supervision means some Habbos will abuse their privileges.
I absolutely agree! There needs to be a staff member, watching the system, reading feedbacks given, and chatlogs to determine abuse and take action on those that are misbehaving!


This. I also think some of you are a little too worried about this age thing, Guardians are not going to have the power to review room chat logs, as far as i'm aware the only power they are going to have is to mute, kick and room ban users in the room they have been called too. Any actions they make will have to be based on what they see in the room once they get there.
That is going to make it exceedingly difficult to review bullying cases. I do not think this will be. However I could be wrong, but I want to point out that people usually report bullying ‘after’ someone has done something rather than before. They can set up a chat log system for this and mask the real name of all involved in the log, so we can provide a proper verdict.


I think people are getting way too carried away. Hobbas will never be back like pre 05 because of security and legal reasons. Hobbas were the main moderators of the hotel whilst a staff member would supervise them 24/7. This new Guardian system is a gimmick like the Habbo X team who were pretty much pants, laughed at and most didn't even care about them (nor did the staff), sorry but I'm being brutally honest here.
I agree with everything you have said with your post, but this part. Guardians are marked as the modernised Hobbas, making a return. So Paul says anyway. This is how I see it:

Hobbas had tool to help people.
Habbo Xs had no tools to help people.
Guardians will have tools to help people.

Guardians will be more like Hobbas if anything, not Habbo Xs.

Also:


Oh yeah who remembers scambusters?
I was very new when they had the old Habbo site. Can someone explain what scambusters actually was, how it worked? Wasn’t it staff operated? I’m hearing all this stuff about how they had Habbos in it.

All I remember about it was you reported a scam and got no reply what so ever. God knows if anything happened at all.


Everything is starting to take more shape!

http://i.imgur.com/XSU1K.png

Btw, Shorty and Abdicators, you have made some very interesting screenshots. How are you getting these? I’m sorry if you have answered this already, I may have missed it somewhere. :P


So the new Guardian system is essentially like... Big Brother.... ? Yeh, in my earlier post when I said I'd reserve judgement, I take that back. This seems hideous.
LOL big brother. How did you come to that? Did the images remind you?

[Kyle]

So if enough guardians vote you badly they can basically get you banned/muted? wat.

[Jarkie]

So if enough guardians vote you badly they can basically get you banned/muted? wat.

Seems that way lol :/

[Agesilaus]

We don't know at this stage what happens after we vote. Something might happen to the Habbo. It may just get sent to the moderator for review. We don't know. We have to wait a bit longer for the answers for that one. That's best. =]

[atpeak]

@LucasAge

I was quite new aswell when scam busters was getting removed. But I heard that some trusted Habbo's (including some Hobbas) could log into a system (not sure if it was house keeping) and check a Habbo's trading and furni records and determine scammers and bust them lol. They then would return the furni using a tool to take the furni off the scammer and give it back to the rightful owner and then ban the scammer.

---------- Post added 26-07-2012 at 09:38 PM ----------


We don't know at this stage what happens after we vote. Something might happen to the Habbo. It may just get sent to the moderator for review. We don't know. We have to wait a bit longer for the answers for that one. That's best. =]

Replying to the quote. On the Habbo blog it says that guardians will have some low level powers to solve situations. Only Moderators and Staff will continue to have the exclusive remedial tools.

So the only tool I see that is "non-remedial" is Kick and Mute? :/

Also I don't think US laws allow for other habbos to see chat logs hence why the US hotel never really had hobbas. Thjs means that Guardians won't be allowed to ban habbos i would think

The only reason he named them "modernized Hobbas" is just a fad because the media is scutinizing everything and on the unmute website there was a huge demand for Hobbas to come back. The guardian system has nothing to do with the Hobbas and it was planned way before Ch4 and media got involved. He just renamed it hobba to make it look like hes listening.

[Agesilaus]

Also I don't think US laws allow for other habbos to see chat logs hence why the US hotel never really had hobbas. Thjs means that Guardians won't be allowed to ban habbos i would think.
I don't think that's the case. Moderators have Habbo accounts, should that mean they dont get to see chat logs? No, I think it is much more involved. If there is a law. I don't know anything about the laws regarding people reading chat logs in the U.S, a lot of this stuff about U.S law doesn't match up right. It would be good to see the actual written legislation from an official source.



The only reason he named them "modernized Hobbas" is just a fad because the media is scutinizing everything and on the unmute website there was a huge demand for Hobbas to come back. The guardian system has nothing to do with the Hobbas and it was planned way before Ch4 and media got involved. He just renamed it hobba to make it look like hes listening.

Actually, Paul said they were modernised Hobbas before the mute happened. And if you look at it, it is closer to Hobbas than anything else we have had. None of the other programs have allowed others to moderate a player. I also don't see any problem with Paul saying it is a modernised version of Hobbas anyway. From what we are seeing and hearing, it is in a lot of ways.

[Bob1]

I have to agree there. They must have done some sort of verification back in the day, a part from Habbo account record, because I would say all of the Hobbas I knew about definitely were over 18, I did hear some rumour about under age Hobbas, but it was very small and I don’t even know if it was true!

Yep, all Hobbas on all hotels (other than the alternate US system) underwent checks (same as all MODs did), for the UK it was a bog standard CRB. These were initially not always carried out through the London Office and that is where one, possibly two of the rumoured underage Hobbas sprang from, they were fairly quickly uncovered in each case I remember. After a point the office took more responsibility for apply for the CRB checks themselves rather than leaving it to the applicants (some would say that was just common sense but you know Sulake..) Currently with the outsourcing of moderation to Spanish call centre workers I'm not sure even the MODs are background checked so it's highly doubtful Guardians will need anything though I agree to be in a position with access to tools containing potentially sensitive information (whether names are included or not) you should submit to a check. I highlight an article about Facebook moderation to draw attention to the point I’m making here and below -

http://gawker.com/5885714/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/9118778/The-dark-side-of-Facebook.html

I know the issues faced by Habbo moderators may be less violent in content but I imagine Sulake outsourcing as they do have a very similar issue, just no one has uncovered it yet. I kinda think the Gawker post highlights the issue of interpretation too which leads me to..

LOL big brother. How did you come to that? Did the images remind you?
The images are a bit aint they. In the sense that an audience will be watching a submitted conversation and voting as to whether you face "eviction" depending how they view your behaviour, personally, based on their own personal beliefs and views, as with the TV show people have different opinions. No matter what you say in life your opinions are affected by who you are so people will all see different circumstances differently, with Hobbas there were clear guidelines with Guardians I can see the vote system being very problematic, a vote system implies blurred boundaries open to interpretation.

US law does my head in, I'm sure it's not much more complicated than UK law but it gives me brain ache so I gave up trying to find issues, lol I knew there was one with the old Hobba system and it was to do with access to user data & it was explained by someone in one of the old "MUTE" or "GUARDIANS ANNOUNCED NOW" threads (or something like that) if someone wants to dredge it up

I'll go ahead and get down off my soapbox now lol...(this is why I stopped working in moderation before someone stoned me for ranting too much)

[Agesilaus]

The images are a bit aint they. In the sense that an audience will be watching a submitted conversation and voting as to whether you face "eviction" depending how they view your behaviour, personally, based on their own personal beliefs and views, as with the TV show people have different opinions. No matter what you say in life your opinions are affected by who you are so people will all see different circumstances differently, with Hobbas there were clear guidelines with Guardians I can see the vote system being very problematic, a vote system implies blurred boundaries open to interpretation.

US law does my head in, I'm sure it's not much more complicated than UK law but it gives me brain ache so I gave up trying to find issues, lol I knew there was one with the old Hobba system and it was to do with access to user data & it was explained by someone in one of the old "MUTE" or "GUARDIANS ANNOUNCED NOW" threads (or something like that) if someone wants to dredge it up

I'll go ahead and get down off my soapbox now lol...(this is why I stopped working in moderation before someone stoned me for ranting too much)

Yeah. the images have like black blank figures of Habbos with question marks in them, and it looks like we can see what they say in the bullying case but we wont be able to know what their real Habbo name is.

With the law thing, if people are saying that Hobbas were removed due to legal issues (it was actually for security issues and the growing popular (whatever the hell that means)), I don't see how that can happen, because according to what people are saying here, they were police vetted. Which would be in compliances with government legislation anyway. Also let's not bring in US law over UK, AU, CA or any other countries' laws. We all know Hobbas didn't work the same on the US hotel, like they did on the rest of them. Clearly the law wasn't an issue, and I am sure Sulake are considering legalities whenever it comes to something like this (despite recent situations of poor moderation, we have been telling them since they made all mods redundant and replaced them with non-English speaking staff that it is going to cause massive quality control problems).

[atpeak]

Yeah. the images have like black blank figures of Habbos with question marks in them, and it looks like we can see what they say in the bullying case but we wont be able to know what their real Habbo name is.

With the law thing, if people are saying that Hobbas were removed due to legal issues (it was actually for security issues and the growing popular (whatever the hell that means)), I don't see how that can happen, because according to what people are saying here, they were police vetted. Which would be in compliances with government legislation anyway. Also let's not bring in US law over UK, AU, CA or any other countries' laws. We all know Hobbas didn't work the same on the US hotel, like they did on the rest of them. Clearly the law wasn't an issue, and I am sure Sulake are considering legalities whenever it comes to something like this (despite recent situations of poor moderation, we have been telling them since they made all mods redundant and replaced them with non-English speaking staff that it is going to cause massive quality control problems).

Of course US law was the issue of Hobbas not having any real powers on the US hotel. The US law states that no one can have access to your records unless they are contracted to do so and employed by the company in a specific dept which meant that Habbo had to fork out more money into hiring more US mods and letting any age people become a "guide Hobba" in the US hotel.

Also I will show you an email that was sent confidentially to all the Hobbas of why the system was being removed. This was never meant to be public but a friend of a Hobba leaked it out.

---------- Post added 27-07-2012 at 04:29 PM ----------

Here is the email sent out to Hobbas in their last month of service

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=113491

It outlines the security and legal issues like Bob1 said about CRB and vetting laws

*REMOVED*

Edited by Chris (Forum Moderator): Please do not ask for reputation!

[Agesilaus]

Of course US law was the issue of Hobbas not having any real powers on the US hotel. The US law states that no one can have access to your records unless they are contracted to do so and employed by the company in a specific dept which meant that Habbo had to fork out more money into hiring more US mods and letting any age people become a "guide Hobba" in the US hotel.

Also I will show you an email that was sent confidentially to all the Hobbas of why the system was being removed. This was never meant to be public but a friend of a Hobba leaked it out.

---------- Post added 27-07-2012 at 04:29 PM ----------

Here is the email sent out to Hobbas in their last month of service

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=113491

It outlines the security and legal issues like @Bob1 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=101957) said about CRB and vetting laws

*REMOVED*

Edited by Chris (Forum Moderator): Please do not ask for reputation!

That's interesting. However, I still think there is more to this. Something is not right. I'm not saying it's fake, it's clearly true what was posted. I'm talking about behind the scenes...

So the question is how do you think we will review bullying cases without chat logs? I still believe that Guardians will get to see the chatlog provided with masked Habbo names. Just a guess though.

[atpeak]

That's interesting. However, I still think there is more to this. Something is not right. I'm not saying it's fake, it's clearly true what was posted. I'm talking about behind the scenes...

So the question is how do you think we will review bullying cases without chat logs? I still believe that Guardians will get to see the chatlog provided with masked Habbo names. Just a guess though.

Another issue was that it actually cost more to have hobbas than actual paid moderators

[Agesilaus]

Another issue was that it actually cost more to have hobbas than actual paid moderators
That's not what I meant. I meant legally speaking, sorry.

In regards to your point though, I do not believe it would have costed them more. Moderators constantly get paid. There would also be expenses for training in all areas they need to know, and in order to train someone these days and get them up to scratch, the costs involved are the equivalent to one employee's annual salary. The way Silver Hobbas were being interviewed and trained were by Super Hobbas, that were also volunteers. So it would have effectively costed them less money in that regard.

[e5]

Paul said 2 weeks around a week ago

Even though it's a little snippet, seems quite interesting I suppose. Not saying I agree/disagree with it, it just seems quite interesting haha. Any idea when it will be implemented or do you only know a very minor bit of it? :P

[atpeak]

That's not what I meant. I meant legally speaking, sorry.

In regards to your point though, I do not believe it would have costed them more. Moderators constantly get paid. There would also be expenses for training in all areas they need to know, and in order to train someone these days and get them up to scratch, the costs involved are the equivalent to one employee's annual salary. The way Silver Hobbas were being interviewed and trained were by Super Hobbas, that were also volunteers. So it would have effectively costed them less money in that regard.

Super Hobbas were paid employees.

[GoldenMerc]

Super Hobbas were paid employees.

So thats Mizki correct?

[atpeak]

So thats Mizki correct?

What do you mean?

[GoldenMerc]

What do you mean?

Mizki was a super hobba wasn't she.

[atpeak]

Mizki was a super hobba wasn't she.

I'm not too sure was she paid?

---------- Post added 27-07-2012 at 05:36 PM ----------

Super Hobbas had to train new hobbas and even moderators. Moderators had to report to the Head Hobba.

[Kardan]

I'd just like to point out that many people say Habbo eXperts had no power to help Habbos, whereas Hobbas did and Guardians will do.

The Habbo eXpert program was meant for introducing new Habbos to the game, and not for moderation, so the eXperts didn't need powers (and really override was only needed in a very few number of cases...)

Personally, I feel people look back on the program in a negative light because eXperts didn't do much - well, unless you joined Habbo when the program was running, then they wouldn't have done much for you at all.
Frankly, most people that even remember the eXpert program wouldn't have been the target audience for eXperts, we were there for the new players :)

Hopefully the Guardian program is a success, Habbo need a program like this, I just hope it goes to plan...

[Jarkie]

I'd just like to point out that many people say Habbo eXperts had no power to help Habbos, whereas Hobbas did and Guardians will do.

The Habbo eXpert program was meant for introducing new Habbos to the game, and not for moderation, so the eXperts didn't need powers (and really override was only needed in a very few number of cases...)

Personally, I feel people look back on the program in a negative light because eXperts didn't do much - well, unless you joined Habbo when the program was running, then they wouldn't have done much for you at all.
Frankly, most people that even remember the eXpert program wouldn't have been the target audience for eXperts, we were there for the new players :)

Hopefully the Guardian program is a success, Habbo need a program like this, I just hope it goes to plan...

I so agree, being an ex myself I see a different view to those who think very negative over us.

However; this new tour system seems to be working ok, so I have high hopes for this new user based moderation system.

[Bob1]

Super Hobbas were paid employees.

Nope, volunteers. The majority of new Hobba in-game training was actually conducted by a small team of people in groups/classes (usually muggings here, heeey :)), each Hobba was paired with a Super Hobba for futher help but those Super Hobbas were no different to Super Hobbas who didn't take part in training and neither were paid employees.

[Jarkie]

Super Hobbas were paid employees.


Nope, volunteers. The majority of new Hobba in-game training was actually conducted by a small team of people in groups/classes (usually muggings here, heeey :)), each Hobba was paired with a Super Hobba for futher help but those Super Hobbas were no different to Super Hobbas who didn't take part in training and neither were paid employees.

I heard that some were paid and some wearnt paid. Hence the reason some became proper moderators. Cos I've heard that they only kept the paid ones.

[Okeanos]

I'd just like to point out that many people say Habbo eXperts had no power to help Habbos, whereas Hobbas did and Guardians will do.

The Habbo eXpert program was meant for introducing new Habbos to the game, and not for moderation, so the eXperts didn't need powers (and really override was only needed in a very few number of cases...)

Personally, I feel people look back on the program in a negative light because eXperts didn't do much - well, unless you joined Habbo when the program was running, then they wouldn't have done much for you at all.
Frankly, most people that even remember the eXpert program wouldn't have been the target audience for eXperts, we were there for the new players :)

Hopefully the Guardian program is a success, Habbo need a program like this, I just hope it goes to plan...

Um no. People's memories of the X programme (judging from posts on here at least) are rather more positive than they were when it ended. I think people have forgotten just how bad Xs were, and if this guardian thing is anything like Xs then it won't last long.

Most of the 'work' Xs did was in the welcome lounge. That room was always full of people - most of whom weren't newbies. We could all see what happened and what did not happen there, so to assert that only the target audience knows what Xs did is quite wrong. I don't think it is for you or any other ex-expert to comment on the success or failure of the programme, that's for everyone else to decide.

--

As for paid hobbas..... that's news to me. The hobbas who became mods were obviously paid for their role as moderators but that is a separate issue.

[atpeak]

Here is the proof Head Hobbas were paid

http://web.archive.org/web/20041211033524/http://www.sulake.com/open_2004june_communitymanager.html

[Shorty]

I've been hearing that Guardian Powers won't be coming for awhile and instead they will just be able to review other helpers/guardians instead, to help determine if they're a good helper/guardian.

[Shorty]

Gah, hate how you can't edit your post after x amount of time...

Looks like the Help Tool will be getting a redesign once this system is in-place.

http://i.imgur.com/65kGv.png

[Sarah]

Here is the proof Head Hobbas were paid

http://web.archive.org/web/20041211033524/http://www.sulake.com/open_2004june_communitymanager.html


Head Hobbas were Staff members not hobbas. They were the predecessor to the "Community Manager" role if I am correct, so no they were not paid. Becs was the first Head hobba in the UK, followed by Glitterkat if i am correct..

[Jarkie]

Gah, hate how you can't edit your post after x amount of time...

Looks like the Help Tool will be getting a redesign once this system is in-place.

http://i.imgur.com/65kGv.png

Urgh i hate that look, I find it very ugly and to big. :/

[tm]

Gah, hate how you can't edit your post after x amount of time...

Looks like the Help Tool will be getting a redesign once this system is in-place.

http://i.imgur.com/65kGv.png

Looks much clearer, decent work staff chaps!
Seems as though guardian's role will mainly be directed towards preventing bullying and/or random trolling. Think that was to be expected.

[atpeak]

Head Hobbas were Staff members not hobbas. They were the predecessor to the "Community Manager" role if I am correct, so no they were not paid. Becs was the first Head hobba in the UK, followed by Glitterkat if i am correct..

Read your post. It doesn't even make sense. Head Hobbas were office staff yes. They were paid, yes. Becs was head hobba yes, there were loads more head hobbas.

[atpeak]

Don't forget Becs started off as a Hobba and got promoted

[Shorty]

http://i.imgur.com/QnX2g.png

Bully Report Tool.. so far.

[atpeak]

http://i.imgur.com/QnX2g.png

Bully Report Tool.. so far.

Where are you getting these images from?

[Shorty]

Gah, hate how you can't edit your post after x amount of time...

Looks like the Help Tool will be getting a redesign once this system is in-place.

http://i.imgur.com/65kGv.png


http://i.imgur.com/QnX2g.png

Bully Report Tool.. so far.



Where are you getting these images from?

Print Screen, Ctrl + V into Paint, Save, Upload.

[Laurensh1]

Just for some of you that keep getting the Hobba positions wrong: There's different types of Hobb's guys. Hobbas are never paid, unless the Staff position as Head Hobba (which is the same as Community Manager nowadays).

Newbie Hobba - New Hobba, receives training, less powers and has a silver badge
Golden Hobba - Regular Hobba
Super Hobba - Hobba with more powers and trains new Hobbas
Head Hobba - Head Hobba / Community Manager that manages the whole Hobba Program and Moderators in one Hotel (UK: Becs, GlitterKat, etc - Jet in .NL)

More info: http://www.habborator.org/facts/ -> click Organisation
Includes everything Sulake ever did :)

---------- Post added 28-07-2012 at 03:16 PM ----------


http://i.imgur.com/QnX2g.png

Bully Report Tool.. so far.Looks like the how to report a habbo nowadays.


Where are you getting these images from?Yes answer this please, how do you see those things normal Habbos can't see? And not this plz: If you dont wanna tell, then dont but don't give us this :P

Print Screen, Ctrl + V into Paint, Save, Upload.

[Jarkie]

Print Screen, Ctrl + V into Paint, Save, Upload.

this made me laugh in real xDD, yes guys, this is how he gets his odd images xox ;)

[GoldenMerc]

He isn't going to tell you guys, hes part of okuku or what ever its called i guess he has his ways :P
Looks promising tho

[atpeak]

He isn't going to tell you guys, hes part of okuku or what ever its called i guess he has his ways :P
Looks promising tho

okuku? lool

[GoldenMerc]

My bad Otaku Studios, don't think i can say anymore.

[atpeak]

My bad Otaku Studios, don't think i can say anymore.

O lol thought so ty

[Bob1]

I heard that some were paid and some wearnt paid. Hence the reason some became proper moderators. Cos I've heard that they only kept the paid ones.

Here is the proof Head Hobbas were paid
http://web.archive.org/web/20041211033524/http://www.sulake.com/open_2004june_communitymanager.html

Read your post. It doesn't even make sense. Head Hobbas were office staff yes. They were paid, yes. Becs was head hobba yes, there were loads more head hobbas.

Sarah and Laurensh1 are correct. The term "Head Hobba" was a phrase coined in-game by players, the position was always officially known as Community Manager, Becs started as a Hobba (an unpaid volunteer role) and applied to become a moderator (a paid position, from home, this is not a natural next-step or "promotion" it is separate entirely and you had to apply, anyone could apply not just Hobbas), she then applied to become Community Manager (a paid position, usually based in office but Becs being based in the US continued to work from home). I hope that clears some confusion up, I'd like to think I know a thing or two about the inside workings ;)

Back to topic - new screenshots confirm my worries from previous posts, don't give this system very long without some changes to the application/vetting process we're assuming will happen. I don't understand why Habbo would choose not to have stricter criteria in place for these volunteers after the pressures/issues Facebook have faced

[atpeak]

Sarah and Laurensh1 are correct. The term "Head Hobba" was a phrase coined in-game by players, the position was always officially known as Community Manager, Becs started as a Hobba (an unpaid volunteer role) and applied to become a moderator (a paid position, from home, this is not a natural next-step or "promotion" it is separate entirely and you had to apply, anyone could apply not just Hobbas), she then applied to become Community Manager (a paid position, usually based in office but Becs being based in the US continued to work from home). I hope that clears some confusion up, I'd like to think I know a thing or two about the inside workings ;)

Yeah Becs used to work from home because of where she lived (wasn't she the only one who was allowed to do that??). But the term "Head Hobba" was actually an official position named by Sulake. It says it on the recruitment page lol. They wouldn't put a player coined term on their formal recruitment page, thats just unprofessional.

Like you said Hobbas were not the only people who could apply, so if a newbie wanted to apply he'd being applying for "Head Hobba" position as it was officially known (again, on the recruitment page).

If the Hobba program still existed, it would still be known as Head Hobba slash / slash community manager.

Head Hobba was a head hobba, and the players called her head hobba because she was one infact. :S

[Bob1]

Yeah Becs used to work from home because of where she lived (wasn't she the only one who was allowed to do that??). But the term "Head Hobba" was actually an official position named by Sulake. It says it on the recruitment page lol. They wouldn't put a player coined term on their formal recruitment page, thats just unprofessional.

Head Hobba was a head hobba, and the players called her head hobba because she was one infact. :S
Head Hobba was always a Community Manager, they did not just "manage" the volunteer programme, they are one and the same position whatever they may have called it on the recruitment pages in the very early days. Yes she was a "Head Hobba" in the fact that she recruited and managed them, but she was the Community Manager. Becs was actually not the only staff member to work remotely.

[atpeak]

Head Hobba was always a Community Manager, they did not just "manage" the volunteer programme, they are one and the same position whatever they may have called it on the recruitment pages in the very early days. Yes she was a "Head Hobba" in the fact that she recruited and managed them, but she was the Community Manager. Becs was actually not the only staff member to work remotely.

But on the formal website it stated Head Hobba. Thats what it was officially known as by Sulake. That's my argument. I'm not sure if Becs was actually a head hobba I think thats a misunderstanding of facts, I knew she was higher.. if you read the recruitment page it says all head hobbas (international too) must report to Becs. Community manager doesn't deal with international issues.

http://s7.postimage.org/buhuy754r/HEADHOBBA.png (http://postimage.org/)
upload photo (http://postimage.org/)

[Bob1]

You're perfectly entitled to believe what you want, was just trying to help you correctly identify the former Hobba system structure (re: who was paid, who was not). I'm sure if you were to ask one of them what they put on their CV it would be the title Community Manager, as that's what they were known as to us within Sulake. http://www.habbosphere.com/history/3-habbo-staff this article correctly identifies the original, typical base structure for staffing.
Whether or not the term "Head Hobba" was an official term or not does not change the facts around Hobbas as paid staff which I think is the point you're trying to make? Or not?

edit: sweet jesus, the recruitment post even uses the title COMMUNITY MANAGER, Head Hobba is an informal reference to an in-game player coined term! With reference to this, I would know a lot about Sulake's inner workings, trust me.

[atpeak]

You're perfectly entitled to believe what you want, was just trying to help you correctly identify the former Hobba system structure (re: who was paid, who was not). I'm sure if you were to ask one of them what they put on their CV it would be the title Community Manager, as that's what they were known as to us within Sulake. http://www.habbosphere.com/history/3-habbo-staff this article correctly identifies the original, typical base structure for staffing.
Whether or not the term "Head Hobba" was an official term or not does not change the facts around Hobbas as paid staff which I think is the point you're trying to make? Or not?

edit: sweet jesus, the recruitment post even uses the title COMMUNITY MANAGER, Head Hobba is an informal reference to an in-game player coined term! With reference to this, I would know a lot about Sulake's inner workings, trust me.

Mate this is simple English. If it was a player coined, informal wording, then it would be, if I may say so,

Community Manager/Head Hobba

Not

Head Hobba/Community Manager

In simple English this identifies that Head Hobba has more importance.

and to make it worse it says Head Hobba aka Community manager. Not the other way round. Judging from Sulake HQ's wording, which one is more official and important in their eyes?

[Abdicators]

Wow. lol.

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[Shorty]

Lol, why does it even matter about Hobba's any more.. they're gone.

[Bob1]

Mate this is simple English. If it was a player coined, informal wording, then it would be, if I may say so,

Community Manager/Head Hobba

Not

Head Hobba/Community Manager

In simple English this identifies that Head Hobba has more importance.

I no longer understand what point it is you are trying to make, the original point was to do with Hobbas/payment in reflection to the new Guardian system and that has safely been put to bed as a misunderstanding, what purpose does this clarification now serve?

Here are the facts -
As an ASSISTANT COMMUNITY MANAGER for Sulake in the Canadian hotel for over a year I can tell you I was never ever referred to as an ASSISTANT HEAD HOBBA. Neither in any of the training material or policy documentation I, yes me personally, wrote or edited during my time in other positions training many MODs, Hobbas and Office Staff in in-game moderation tools did I ever use the term "Head Hobba" as an official title to refer to someone, only as an informal reference.

I was only trying to correct an observation you made when commenting on an old system I knew a lot about - Super Hobbas were never paid, Head Hobbas were not Hobbas, they were Community Managers. This is where your misunderstanding with regards to pay arised. If that hasn't been helpful I'll apologise and go about my day.

[atpeak]

I no longer understand what point it is you are trying to make, the original point was to do with Hobbas/payment and that has safely been put to bed as a misunderstanding, what purpose does this clarification now serve?

Here are the facts -
As an ASSISTANT COMMUNITY MANAGER for Sulake in the Canadian hotel for over a year I can tell you I was never ever referred to as an ASSISTANT HEAD HOBBA. Neither in any of the training material or policy documentation I, yes me personally, wrote or edited during my time in other positions training many MODs, Hobbas and Office Staff in in-game moderation tools did I ever use the term "Head Hobba" as an official title to refer to someone, only as an informal reference.

I was only trying to correct you - Super Hobbas were never paid, Head Hobbas were not Hobbas, they were Community Managers. This is where your misunderstanding with regards to pay arised.

Oh. Sulake was lying then when they put Head Hobba on the recruitment page. Thats what you're saying lol :P

What you don't understand is that was the official position name. What A, B and C called it is informal.

Do you get what I am trying to say? You may never have called yourself Head Hobba, but the fact is thats what your employer called you and your contract must have too.

You got it the wrong way round bud :)

[Bob1]

I'm going to leave you to this, I really don't see what purpose this serves. It's there in black and white. I think I know what I was employed as, what I was interviewed for, what I was referred to by my peers and what I now put on my CV as the position I actually held.

So anyway, that Guardian system is looking interesting..

[atpeak]

I'm going to leave you to this, I really don't see what purpose this serves. It's there in black and white. I think I know what I was employed as, what I was interviewed for, what I was referred to by my peers and what I now put on my CV as the position I actually held.

So anyway, that Guardian system is looking interesting..

Cool. Just one more thing, for reference, what you are called by your peers is not official. :P

[Abdicators]

So anyway, that Guardian system is looking interesting..

Looking through the code in the client, and at all the images (not just the ones Shorty thinks are interesting!) i'm a bit confused as to how this is actually going to work.

At first I though the 'Guardian' role would give select Habbos the powers to kick, mute and room ban users in a fashion similar to that of Hobbas. In the sense that they would respond to a call, and chose an appropriate action based on the situation. After that, I thought the action that you had performed was going to be forwarded to other Guardians for review; to help ensure you was not abusing your position. At least, this is the idea I got from some of Sulakes developers.

After looking at the code and images though, it looks like to me as though an action is based on how 'bad' the bully is being ('Ok', 'Bad' or 'Very Bad'). The decision to how the bully is being seems to be collected from an average of several different Guardian votes, I then assume the server will take an automatic action based on that vote result.

[Shorty]

Gah, hate how you can't edit your post after x amount of time...

Looks like the Help Tool will be getting a redesign once this system is in-place.

http://i.imgur.com/65kGv.png


Looking through the code in the client, and at all the images (not just the ones Shorty thinks are interesting!) i'm a bit confused as to how this is actually going to work.

At first I though the 'Guardian' role would give select Habbos the powers to kick, mute and room ban users in a fashion similar to that of Hobbas. In the sense that they would respond to a call, and chose an appropriate action based on the situation. After that, I thought the action that you had performed was going to be forwarded to other Guardians for review; to help ensure you was not abusing your position. At least, this is the idea I got from some of Sulakes developers.

After looking at the code and images though, it looks like to me as though an action is based on how 'bad' the bully is being ('Ok', 'Bad' or 'Very Bad'). The decision to how the bully is being seems to be collected from an average of several different Guardian votes, I then assume the server will take an automatic action based on that vote result.

Yeah, that's what I thought the system was going to be like.

However;


The Habbo Guardian feature will not offer any kind of room controls; such as kick, ban, etc and will basically be a call-for-help picked up automatically in a certain topic and will be sent round to various on-duty helpers and they will have the option to vote it as a bad report (action needs taking) or no-use report (report isn't worth taking action too). Also, everyone will be able to use this feature but we are working on, if abused - how we will be taking it from the abusing users.

Source: Otus

[Okeanos]

So basically all guides are doing is answering questions via IM, giving tours to newbies and maybe referring people to mods? That is too tedious for me, I won't be doing that!

[Abdicators]

So basically all guides are doing is answering questions via IM, giving tours to newbies and maybe referring people to mods? That is too tedious for me, I won't be doing that!

Seems like it.

[atpeak]

So basically all guides are doing is answering questions via IM, giving tours to newbies and maybe referring people to mods? That is too tedious for me, I won't be doing that!

I think there should be a trusted team of around 80-100 Habbos to supervise the habbo helpers with at least some remedial tools

[Shorty]

I reported Jarkie not expecting it to work, luckily there's no active Guardians to review the request. As you can see from the alert below, the system is clearly not ready.

http://i.imgur.com/wJrdo.png


Edit://

Alpha badge which was found awhile ago..

http://images.habbo.com/c_images/album1584/HHAT.gif

Translation: "The guardians are the Habbo Alphas but top-level"
Original: Los guardianes son los Habbo Alphas pero de nivel superior

Source:
https://twitter.com/Habbo_Diana/status/228562169443254272

[atpeak]

I reported Jarkie not expecting it to work, luckily there's no active Guardians to review the request. As you can see from the alert below, the system is clearly not ready.

http://i.imgur.com/wJrdo.png

Hey dude, you are getting these clientside images from a Retro server. So you couldn't possibly report Jarkie, LoL.

[Shorty]

Hey dude, you are getting these clientside images from a Retro server. So you couldn't possibly report Jarkie, LoL.

Retro's are illegal, none of my images are from Private Servers. They all originate from official Habbo.

http://i.imgur.com/6wdao.png

See? :)

[GoldenMerc]

I may be mistaken but arn't you just using the codes that get released *like the new guardian system* then putting them into sort of a clientside make of it?
Ross

[Shorty]

I may be mistaken but arn't you just using the codes that get released *like the new guardian system* then putting them into sort of a clientside make of it?
Ross

Guardian System, yes. Help Tool/Bully Tool, no it's fully functional.

[GoldenMerc]

Guardian System, yes. Help Tool/Bully Tool, no it's fully functional.

So is what your doing against the T&C of Habbo? or is it totally fine? If its fine, surely you could release a little abit about how / what your doing to get this.

[Shorty]

So is what your doing against the T&C of Habbo? or is it totally fine? If its fine, surely you could release a little abit about how / what your doing to get this.

Because of how I'm using the content once modified, I would say it's legal under "Fair Use - Making commentary and criticism as part of a news report or published article."

[atpeak]

It's really simple. He is either using a private server or like you said using clientside packets which can only be done by using 3rd party tools which is breaking the t&cs.

The screenie looks a bit odd, you see the other tab that says "Habbo:" whats that? (excuse my ignorance)

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Because of how I'm using the content once modified, I would say it's legal under "Fair Use - Making commentary and criticism as part of a news report or published article."

That doesn't make sense because it wasn't published by Habbo, rather hunted by you. But hey I don't really mind, I'm happy to see those images :)

[Jarkie]

It doesn't matter how Shorty gets the images, we should be thankful that he shares them with us, he could choose not too.

[GoldenMerc]

It doesn't matter how Shorty gets the images, we should be thankful that he shares them with us, he could choose not too.

Yeh im not ******** about him getting the images, im just interested in how, not why.

[Shorty]

It's really simple. He is either using a private server or like you said using clientside packets which can only be done by using 3rd party tools which is breaking the t&cs.

The screenie looks a bit odd, you see the other tab that says "Habbo:" whats that? (excuse my ignorance)

---------- Post added 28-07-2012 at 06:21 PM ----------



That doesn't make sense because it wasn't published by Habbo, rather hunted by you. But hey I don't really mind, I'm happy to see those images :)

As far as I'm aware, I'm not breaking any T&S since the methods which you posted are not being used by me.

[atpeak]

Yeh im not ******** about him getting the images, im just interested in how, not why.

Same.

[Jarkie]

Yeh im not ******** about him getting the images, im just interested in how, not why.


Same.

Whats the saying.. oh yeah "A magician never revels his secrets" - I think the same concept can apply here.

[Abdicators]

Hey dude, you are getting these clientside images from a Retro server. So you couldn't possibly report Jarkie, LoL.

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Most of the images myself and Shorty obtain, are done through enabling variables inside the client by modifying their list of 'external variables', you can find the link to the current public variables by viewing the source of the clients page. This is an example of how we managed to get the 'Habbo Way Badge' before any body else on Habbo, we were reported to the developers who admitted that it was their fault we had access to it, as the externals are so easily modified; that is fine.

Additional images are sometimes obtained by forcing the client to open XML windows of not yet implemented functions. This can be done a majority of ways, ranging from editing an existing XML window to add additional frames all the way down to modifying Habbos client at machine code level (AVM2), distributing these modified clients would be against the law and break Habbos ToS

None of this takes part on an emulated server. And even if it was, under the DMCA if we was able to justify the actions as educational to ourselves we would not be breaking any law. We are not using any third party tools to send any additional messages to the client, or to the server, and infact I work with Sulake to ensure this type of thing doesn't happen (which is why emulations are stuck way before any of the new stuff started to be added).

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[Shorty]

*REMOVED*

Most of the images myself and Shorty obtain, are done through enabling variables inside the client by modifying their list of 'external variables', you can find the link to the current public variables by viewing the source of the clients page. This is an example of how we managed to get the 'Habbo Way Badge' before any body else on Habbo, we were reported to the developers who admitted that it was their fault we had access to it, as the externals are so easily modified; that is fine.

Additional images are sometimes obtained by forcing the client to open XML windows of not yet implemented functions. This can be done a majority of ways, ranging from editing an existing XML window to add additional frames all the way down to modifying Habbos client at machine code level (AVM2), distributing these modified clients would be against the law and break Habbos ToS

None of this takes part on an emulated server. And even if it was, under the DMCA if we was able to justify the actions as educational to ourselves we would not be breaking any law. We are not using any third party tools to send any additional messages to the client, or to the server, and infact I work with Sulake to ensure this type of thing doesn't happen (which is why emulations are stuck way before any of the new stuff started to be added).

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$this->IsCorrect();

+rep for whenever I next have it.

[GoldenMerc]

+Rep whenever i can
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Most of the images myself and Shorty obtain, are done through enabling variables inside the client by modifying their list of 'external variables', you can find the link to the current public variables by viewing the source of the clients page. This is an example of how we managed to get the 'Habbo Way Badge' before any body else on Habbo, we were reported to the developers who admitted that it was their fault we had access to it, as the externals are so easily modified; that is fine.

Additional images are sometimes obtained by forcing the client to open XML windows of not yet implemented functions. This can be done a majority of ways, ranging from editing an existing XML window to add additional frames all the way down to modifying Habbos client at machine code level (AVM2), distributing these modified clients would be against the law and break Habbos ToS

None of this takes part on an emulated server. And even if it was, under the DMCA if we was able to justify the actions as educational to ourselves we would not be breaking any law. We are not using any third party tools to send any additional messages to the client, or to the server, and infact I work with Sulake to ensure this type of thing doesn't happen (which is why emulations are stuck way before any of the new stuff started to be added).

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[atpeak]

Whats the saying.. oh yeah "A magician never revels his secrets" - I think the same concept can apply here.

Unless you can trick them into revealing it :P

[GoldenMerc]

So hold on a sec, does that mean you can play that Habbo raceway or what ever?

[Shorty]

So hold on a sec, does that mean you can play that Habbo raceway or what ever?

They haven't uploaded the game content to make it work yet, only graphical art which shows on the 'gamecenter'

[GoldenMerc]

They haven't uploaded the game content to make it work yet, only graphical art which shows on the 'gamecenter'

So once they upload the game content you can play?

[Abdicators]

So once they upload the game content you can play?

Yes.

[Jarkie]

I reported Jarkie not expecting it to work, luckily there's no active Guardians to review the request. As you can see from the alert below, the system is clearly not ready.

http://i.imgur.com/wJrdo.png


Edit://

Alpha badge which was found awhile ago..

http://images.habbo.com/c_images/album1584/HHAT.gif

Translation: "The guardians are the Habbo Alphas but top-level"
Original: Los guardianes son los Habbo Alphas pero de nivel superior

Source:
https://twitter.com/Habbo_Diana/status/228562169443254272

If I get banned for this, I'm suing you

[GoldenMerc]

If I get banned for this, I'm suing you

"Your account is owned by Sulake unless stated otherwise" but ngl it'd be funny haha

[Jarkie]

"Your account is owned by Sulake unless stated otherwise" but ngl it'd be funny haha

It be on the news and everything i be well mega fam, till Paul sticks his claws in.

[Agesilaus]

http://i.imgur.com/QnX2g.png

Bully Report Tool.. so far.

That’s looking good, and so does the new Help Center menu.



Back to topic - new screenshots confirm my worries from previous posts, don't give this system very long without some changes to the application/vetting process we're assuming will happen. I don't understand why Habbo would choose not to have stricter criteria in place for these volunteers after the pressures/issues Facebook have faced
That’s because Sulake have this instinctive tendency to ignore the issues users and other people bring forward. It looks like if you want anything to get heard, you have to go to the media and have it exploited to the world.

Geez… What a painful way for a company to learn something.


Looking through the code in the client, and at all the images (not just the ones Shorty thinks are interesting!) i'm a bit confused as to how this is actually going to work.

At first I though the 'Guardian' role would give select Habbos the powers to kick, mute and room ban users in a fashion similar to that of Hobbas. In the sense that they would respond to a call, and chose an appropriate action based on the situation. After that, I thought the action that you had performed was going to be forwarded to other Guardians for review; to help ensure you was not abusing your position. At least, this is the idea I got from some of Sulakes developers.

After looking at the code and images though, it looks like to me as though an action is based on how 'bad' the bully is being ('Ok', 'Bad' or 'Very Bad'). The decision to how the bully is being seems to be collected from an average of several different Guardian votes, I then assume the server will take an automatic action based on that vote result.

This is exactly what I thought! Your last paragraph there defines how I am now seeing this as well.


The Habbo Guardian feature will not offer any kind of room controls; such as kick, ban, etc and will basically be a call-for-help picked up automatically in a certain topic and will be sent round to various on-duty helpers and they will have the option to vote it as a bad report (action needs taking) or no-use report (report isn't worth taking action too). Also, everyone will be able to use this feature but we are working on, if abused - how we will be taking it from the abusing users.

God, they really do change their mind a lot. Paul raves his lies on Twitter about having ‘kick powers’. Also a small chat with staff said that higher level helpers will get this ability. It seems like they are still thinking about what they should actually give them. It would be nice if they weren't so misleading about it.


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Most of the images myself and Shorty obtain, are done through enabling variables inside the client by modifying their list of 'external variables', you can find the link to the current public variables by viewing the source of the clients page. This is an example of how we managed to get the 'Habbo Way Badge' before any body else on Habbo, we were reported to the developers who admitted that it was their fault we had access to it, as the externals are so easily modified; that is fine.

Additional images are sometimes obtained by forcing the client to open XML windows of not yet implemented functions. This can be done a majority of ways, ranging from editing an existing XML window to add additional frames all the way down to modifying Habbos client at machine code level (AVM2), distributing these modified clients would be against the law and break Habbos ToS

None of this takes part on an emulated server. And even if it was, under the DMCA if we was able to justify the actions as educational to ourselves we would not be breaking any law. We are not using any third party tools to send any additional messages to the client, or to the server, and infact I work with Sulake to ensure this type of thing doesn't happen (which is why emulations are stuck way before any of the new stuff started to be added).

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THANK YOU FOR FINALLY ANSWERING THIS QUESTION! I can understand why you people were so hesitant to tell us in the first place, though.

[Shorty]

Pending Report now has a friendly interface.

http://i.imgur.com/ALFub.png

[Michael]

Pending Report now has a friendly interface.

http://i.imgur.com/ALFub.png

Looks much better now, any more news?

[Shorty]

Looks much better now, any more news?

GPN$ said whatever is first will come first, in regards to Guardians & Full Chat.
ediootti said that no guardians tomorrow (31st), however soon.

[Ohwen]

Does anybody know if guardian will be released today(8/2)? I know Paul said that guardians are going to be released shortly after free chat is back, but I wasn't sure if it was the same day or not.

[Abdicators]

Does anybody know if guardian will be released today(8/2)? I know Paul said that guardians are going to be released shortly after free chat is back, but I wasn't sure if it was the same day or not.

I'd put my bets on next week.

[Jarkie]

Does anybody know if guardian will be released today(8/2)? I know Paul said that guardians are going to be released shortly after free chat is back, but I wasn't sure if it was the same day or not.

It will most likely be next week. Hill (staff member) said he is just testing the final stage of this system.

[Shorty]

I heard somebody mention next week, I think it was Nick.

Somebody asked "When do the next levels of Helpers come?" and he replied "Next Week"

[AngusBreez]

This is really nice layout for the Guardian system... I like the wee Good, Ok, Bad thing hahaha

[ColyTom]

Excited for this new system :D

[Naythi.]

Will we be getting it first in .COM? Or are we still last to get everything?

[Jorc]

Will we be getting it first in .COM? Or are we still last to get everything?

Paul wrote on twitter we will be getting it first.

[Shorty]

Id say this user interface is near enough final design now, it could be tweaked within these '2 weeks' of testing however I don't think it will be major changed now.

http://i.imgur.com/O3TC5.png



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[Jarkie]

Id say this user interface is near enough final design now, it could be tweaked within these '2 weeks' of testing however I don't think it will be major changed now.

http://i.imgur.com/O3TC5.png



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As always shorty, fantastic images!

[Foregetfuhl]

Looks great! Any ideas when its suppose to be coming out onto the Hotel?

[Jarkie]

Looks great! Any ideas when its suppose to be coming out onto the Hotel?

either this week coming or next. (I reckon this week)

[Shorty]

Looks great! Any ideas when its suppose to be coming out onto the Hotel?

This coming week, I think.

[Ohwen]

Any idea of what the badges are going to look like?

[Agesilaus]

Id say this user interface is near enough final design now, it could be tweaked within these '2 weeks' of testing however I don't think it will be major changed now.

http://i.imgur.com/O3TC5.png



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Thanks for sharing again, Shorty, these look great. It definitely looks like Guardians can take multiple calls for help for bullying! =]

Edit: Wait, they are in steps. I'm not so sure!

[Shorty]

Thanks for sharing again, Shorty, these look great. It definitely looks like Guardians can take multiple calls for help for bullying! =]

Edit: Wait, they are in steps. I'm not so sure!

Just like a helper request, you'll be sent bully requests where you review which appears to be a chatlog and vote with other Guardians.

[Agesilaus]

Just like a helper request, you'll be sent bully requests where you review which appears to be a chatlog and vote with other Guardians.

So then I will assume that we can only take one call at a time then. I am expecting this to be a much more actively used feature.

Do you know yet, for sure, what happens when votes are counted?

[Jarkie]

So then I will assume that we can only take one call at a time then. I am expecting this to be a much more actively used feature.

Do you know yet, for sure, what happens when votes are counted?

Yea one at a time. The request gets sent to a few guards and I think depending on the votes is how a mod will deal with the request. I think.

[Agesilaus]

I think depending on the votes is how a mod will deal with the request. I think.

Okay, we don't know for sure yet. Thanks! However, from speculation, isn't this whole system supposed to reduce the amount of 'non' emergency calls to moderators?

[Shorty]

First Post updated, for those that don't have to time to browse 18+ pages.

[BrianHabbo]

-- Method of Evaluation --

Mathematically, here is how I think the Guardian voting system will work:

We know that there are three selections: OK, Bad, Very Bad

Let's give these opinions a value that correspond to their importance. In ascending value:

OK = 1
Bad = 2
Very Bad = 3

In any particular Guardian bully review session, there will be a maximum of four votes (judging from the images shown).

I am going to call Okay (x) Bad (y) and Very Bad (z). Algebraically, this will make things easier to represent.

4x = 4, 4y = 8, 4z = 12 (each of the letters are represented as follows above, and the coefficient of every letter is the number of votes cast for that particular response). What these numbers indicate is the exhaustive values of every voting tier (x, y, z).

We now know that there are three tiers:

Tier 1 -- Value (0-4) Anything of four or below is considered "OK". A moderator will set this at the very bottom of their "priority" list.

Tier 2 -- Value (4-8) Anything starting at four, but not exceeding eight, indicates that something is "Bad". This will be set as the "second" most important on a moderator's list.

Tier 3 -- Value (8-12) Anything between eight to twelve means that something is "Very Bad". This will be of the highest priority, on a moderator's list.

I think Guardians will be sent the "more serious" cases by their feedback. Either that, or a user works their wayup the talent track to earn the ability to solve "harder" cases. For example, a minor case would be for the starting position of a Guardian, but then the "serious threat" or whatever might be for the top levelled Guardian.

I would draw a sample space diagram, to find any numbers and links that correlate between one another (like, do two certain outcomes seem unreliable to use against this method of evaluation?) I am too lazy for that (xD), though. Lolz. To be fair, though, I can't see any of that from the numbers I have tested.

Am I right, at all? Anyone wanna add, or whatnot? :)

[Agesilaus]

If calls are going to be forwarded due to a Guardians feedback for moderators to deal with, I just want to point out that this is not going to make the system any better or faster. They already have loads of calls to deal with, and bullying? Even though it is a serious thing, they do have more important priorities, like dealing with people that solicitate an off-site contact and sexual webcam, and all of that sort of stuff. Action will still be delayed.

They need to fix up the response times, make sure calls are being answered, because it is taking moderators ages to answer even the highest priority of calls they get. Guardians should be able to deal with the behaviour in some way.

/IMO

[Shorty]

So much text added to the externals today about new talent levels, so much that I'm so tired I really don't want to sort out.

I will however point out the badge for chat review;
http://habbo.hs.llnwd.net/c_images/album1584/ACH_GuideChatReviewer1.gif - http://habbo.hs.llnwd.net/c_images/album1584/ACH_GuideChatReviewer10.gif

ACH_GuideChatReviewer10


http://i.imgur.com/4h2ZY.png
Help Tool now has official text.

Guardian Tool now has official text.
http://i.imgur.com/FV0QV.png

[Shorty]

guide.bully.request.guide.accept.accept.button=Acc ept request
guide.bully.request.guide.accept.request.descripti on=The user has reported a case of bullying. Take a look at the anonymous chat log and vote with other fellow Guardians about the case.
guide.bully.request.guide.accept.request.title=New request
guide.bully.request.guide.accept.request.type=Bull ying case
guide.bully.request.guide.accept.skip.link=I can't help with this request
guide.bully.request.guide.accept.title=Your help requests
guide.bully.request.guide.results.final.title=The final verdict
guide.bully.request.guide.results.final.votes=THE FINAL VOTES:
guide.bully.request.guide.results.outcome.bad=The user behaved badly!
guide.bully.request.guide.results.outcome.ok=The user behaved acceptably.
guide.bully.request.guide.results.outcome.refused= The guide did not vote.
guide.bully.request.guide.results.outcome.searchin g=Searching for guide...
guide.bully.request.guide.results.outcome.very_bad =The user behaved awfully!
guide.bully.request.guide.results.outcome.waiting= Waiting for vote...
guide.bully.request.guide.results.thanks=Thanks for your vote!
guide.bully.request.guide.results.title=Waiting for votes
guide.bully.request.guide.results.votes=THE VOTES SO FAR:
guide.bully.request.guide.results.wait=Thanks for your vote! You can close this window if you don't want to wait for the final result.
guide.bully.request.guide.results.waiting.descript ion=The verdict will be shown here once enough votes are in.
guide.bully.request.guide.results.waiting.title=Wa iting for the votes to roll in...
guide.bully.request.guide.results.your_vote=YOUR VOTE
guide.bully.request.guide.vote.anonymous=Other user %ID%
guide.bully.request.guide.vote.bad=BAD
guide.bully.request.guide.vote.ok=OK
guide.bully.request.guide.vote.perpetrator=Perpetr ator
guide.bully.request.guide.vote.question=How was the <b>REPORTED USER</b> acting in this case?
guide.bully.request.guide.vote.title=Handling a bullying case
guide.bully.request.guide.vote.very_bad=AWFUL
guide.bully.request.guide.vote.waiting=Waiting for other Guardians to join the case...
guide.bully.request.reporter.blocked.body=Your reports have been deemed as invalid continuously by the guardians, and you are no longer able to report new cases.
guide.bully.request.reporter.blocked.caption=You are no longer able to send in new reports.
guide.bully.request.reporter.blocked.note=You can still ignore a bullying user by highlighting them and clicking Moderate -> Ignore, and send moderation help requests in emergency cases.
guide.bully.request.reporter.invalid.body=Misusing the bully reporting system is punishable, and will result in losing your ability to report new cases.<br/><br/>You can check the Habbo Way, if you need to freshen up on what is considered appropriate and inappropriate behavior on Habbo.
guide.bully.request.reporter.invalid.caption=Pleas e don't misuse the bully report system.
guide.bully.request.reporter.nochat.body=The guardians can't vote on your case, because the user you reported has not spoken.
guide.bully.request.reporter.nochat.caption=Oops!
guide.bully.request.reporter.nochat.note=If this is an emergency, and you feel threatened by the user, you can still send a moderation help request.
guide.bully.request.reporter.note=Did you know, that you can also ignore a user by highlighting them and clicking Moderate -> Ignore?
guide.bully.request.reporter.sent.body=The guardians have received your report, and it's been reviewed.<br/><br/>You will also get a separate confirmation when an appropriate action has been taken.
guide.bully.request.reporter.sent.caption=Your report has been sent.
guide.bully.request.reporter.title=Your bully report
guide.bully.request.reporter.valid.body=Your report has been reviewed, and an appropriate action has been taken.<br/><br/>Thanks for helping keep Habbo safe and fun for everyone!
guide.bully.request.reporter.valid.caption=Thank you!
help.main2.bully.button=Report a bully
help.main2.bully.description=If you see others misbehaving, bullying, being cruel or not obeying the Habbo Way, report it and our Helpers will take a look at the issue.
help.main2.bully.subtitle=Report a bully
help.main2.bully.title=SOMEONE'S MISBEHAVING
help.main2.emergency.button=Get immediate help!
help.main2.emergency.description=Get immediate help from Moderators if you or someone you know is in at risk or have shared personal details
help.main2.emergency.subtitle=(FOR URGENT MATTERS ONLY)
help.main2.emergency.title=This is an emergency!
help.main2.question.button=Ask a question
help.main2.question.description=Get answers to all your Habbo gameplay related questions from our experienced players.
help.main2.question.subtitle=I have a question
help.main2.question.title=COMMON QUESTION
help.main2.self.faq=<b><u>Frequently Asked Questions</u></b><br><font size="10">Solutions to the most common<br>Habbo questions</font>
help.main2.self.habboway=<b><u>Open the Habbo Way</u></b><br><font size="10">The do's and don'ts of Habbo.<br>Be safe, be smart, be cool.</font>
help.main2.self.payment=If you have payment related issues, click here
help.main2.self.safetypolicy=<b><u>Safety Policy</u></b><br><font size="10">Learn to play it safe</font>
help.main2.self.title=THE SELF-HELP SECTION
help.main2.subtitle=OUR GUARDIANS ARE HERE FOR YOU
help.main2.title=How can we help you?
help.main2.tour.button=Take a tour
help.main2.tour.description=Get a guided tour, see the most awesome rooms, and ask our Tour Guides what Habbo is all about.
help.main2.tour.subtitle=I want someone to show me around
help.main2.tour.title=LOST IN HABBO?
perk.JUDGE_CHAT_REVIEWS.description=Receive the ability to participate in Guardian votes.
perk.JUDGE_CHAT_REVIEWS.name=Become a Guardian
talent.track.helper.level.6.description=As a Guardian you can help other Habbos get the most of their Habbo experience and always be on the look out for bullying and antisocial behavior.
talent.track.helper.level.6.title=Novice Guardian
talent.track.helper.level.6.unlock=Guardian abilities unlocked. Patrol the hallways of Habbo helping those in need to reach the next level.
talent.track.helper.level.7.description=Keep on helping Habbos throughout the Hotel.
talent.track.helper.level.7.title=Guardian
talent.track.helper.level.7.unlock=Help Habbos throughout the Hotel to advance to the next level.

Are all the texts for Guardians & Talent Levels.

Also - ACH_GuideChatReviewRequester
http://habbo.hs.llnwd.net/c_images/album1584/ACH_GuideChatReviewRequester1.gif - http://habbo.hs.llnwd.net/c_images/album1584/ACH_GuideChatReviewRequester10.gif

[Shorty]

Once a Guardian has reviewed a report, an overall "OK" will ignore, "BAD" will mute for 15 mins & room-kick whereas an overall "AWFUL" will make a high priority ticket to moderators.

[tm]

Once a Guardian has reviewed a report, an overall "OK" will ignore, "BAD" will mute for 15 mins & room-kick whereas an overall "AWFUL" will make a high priority ticket to moderators.

Oh handy informations, thanks man.

[Jarkie]

Once a Guardian has reviewed a report, an overall "OK" will ignore, "BAD" will mute for 15 mins & room-kick whereas an overall "AWFUL" will make a high priority ticket to moderators.

Atleast something to explain the system. I like how it gets more than one person to vote, this will stop abuse (hopefully). Any hints on what we will need to do in the talent tree to get guardian?

[Shorty]

5 Guardians will review a single request, may be cut down to 3 after trial.
Talent Tree will contain "True Helper" and "On Duty" requirements.
Anybody abusing the Guardian system will face the abuse prevention system.
Guardians will get secret scores, these secret scores will only go up if they vote and the outcome vote matches.


As well as the help tool being redesigned, it looks like when you click on a Habbo you'll be able to click Report and then a list of report options will appear like "Personal Info", "Bullying", "Other Threat"


infostand.button.cfh.pii=Asking personal info
infostand.button.cfh.sexual=Sexual language
infostand.button.cfh.other=Other threat
infostand.button.bullying=Bullying

[karter]

This looks great, I hope it comes today or tomorrow :). Thanks Shorty; for explaining. +rep

[Ardith93]

Guardians on .com ;)

[Jarkie]

ITS HERE! :D Wooooo! :)

[Shorty]

Guardian requirements is on talents, not fully enabled yet.

[GoldenMerc]

Defiantly thought it'd be a little easier;
http://icap.me/i/DhP4DC29P4.png

[Shorty]

Well we all asked for it to be hard, so.. no complaints.

http://i.imgur.com/sL83N.png

[Jarkie]

Well we all asked for it to be hard, so.. no complaints.

http://i.imgur.com/sL83N.png

I don't think its hard, Shame on the habbo helper bit thing is glitches, I've done pretty much all of that, but didn't register.

[GoldenMerc]

http://icap.me/i/4x6dlPgOqr.png

looks bigger for some reason?

[Ardith93]

....

Edited by Chris (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not make pointless posts!

[GoldenMerc]

http://icap.me/i/hOxDIDutqH.png

[xxMATTGxx]

Yeah that report thing seems to be new :P

[GoldenMerc]

Yeah that report thing seems to be new :P

come to my room so i can test it

[Ardith93]

I don't think its hard, Shame on the habbo helper bit thing is glitches, I've done pretty much all of that, but didn't register.

Yeah, it's true... -.-

[GoldenMerc]

Said bam its a noob was bullying me;
http://icap.me/i/SPmYNTAafI.png

Thought maybe something new

[Jarkie]

Said bam its a noob was bullying me;
http://icap.me/i/SPmYNTAafI.png

Thought maybe something new

lol, nothing is different :/

[Shorty]

Guardian's aren't enabled yet, so the bully request hasn't been enabled therefore it redirects you to the emergency request.

[Ardith93]

Do new helper achievements works?

[Volunteer]

Not yet.

[Volunteer]

The talent tree is now enabled.

[inki234]

Its gonna take weeks to get guardian D: first my talents bar is halfway so I gotta handle them which is harder then theres novice guardian and then guardian ugh ima try my best

[j0rd]

I've been working on it all day. Got the True helper and Tour guide ones complete. The help ones are going to take ages, hardly anyone requests help and due to there tons of people searching, there is a very slim chance you will get it.

[Shorty]

Guardians aren't enabled yet, they're waiting for x amount of people to hit the requirement.

[A.Justice]

Looks good.

[Jyoko]

Guardians aren't enabled yet, they're waiting for x amount of people to hit the requirement.

That is somewhat true.

We are the pilot hotel for the Guardian program, mainly because we have the most users. They are seeing how many Habbos are eligible to become Guardians. This data will used to ensure that the achievements they have required are not too much to ask. The finalized requirements will be ported out to the other Habbo products.

Another thing is that the Help request and tour time counters are not accurate. They have frozen at the Habbo Helper levels (10 positive ratings, 360 minutes on duty, etc...) This will be fixed.

Something worth mentioning... if someone is claiming to have access to Guardian tools, they are lying. The Help window has not yet been updated with the Bully report system, which you may have noticed.

Best of luck to everyone interested. I look forward to working with all of you guys someday. :)

[A.Justice]

That is somewhat true.

We are the pilot hotel for the Guardian program, mainly because we have the most users. They are seeing how many Habbos are eligible to become Guardians. This data will used to ensure that the achievements they have required are not too much to ask. The finalized requirements will be ported out to the other Habbo products.

Another thing is that the Help request and tour time counters are not accurate. They have frozen at the Habbo Helper levels (10 positive ratings, 360 minutes on duty, etc...) This will be fixed.

Something worth mentioning... if someone is claiming to have access to Guardian tools, they are lying. The Help window has not yet been updated with the Bully report system, which you may have noticed.

Best of luck to everyone interested. I look forward to working with all of you guys someday. :)

Thanks for the detailed explanations, was just about to start asking around.Quick question, lets say some one is eligible how will they know.

[Jyoko]

Thanks for the detailed explanations, was just about to start asking around.Quick question, lets say some one is eligible how will they know.

No problem man. Glad I could save you the time! While the counters are frozen, the progress bars still reflect your real values. So, you are eligible if all of the Habbo Helper progress bars are filled in with white.

[A.Justice]

No problem man. Glad I could save you the time! While the counters are frozen, the progress bars still reflect your real values. So, you are eligible if all of the Habbo Helper progress bars are filled in with white.

Makes sense, thanks again!

---------- Post added 10-08-2012 at 04:57 AM ----------

Here's my insight on the whole guardian business. I think this will be a great system if the right people are picked, but again there're always those Habbos who will hate the guardians because they didn't get picked and give them a hard time. Apart from that this system should change somethings if not all.

[Jyoko]

Here's my insight on the whole guardian business. I think this will be a great system if the right people are picked, but again there're always those Habbos who will hate the guardians because they didn't get picked and give them a hard time. Apart from that this system should change somethings if not all.

Any Habbo that meets the requirements in the Helper Talent tree will be able to be a Guardian. The extensive requirements are meant to weed people out. We will see how it goes. :)

[A.Justice]

Any Habbo that meets the requirements in the Helper Talent tree will be able to be a Guardian. The extensive requirements are meant to weed people out. We will see how it goes. :)

Hopefully its smooth sailing :)

[Disketa]

Abit annoying none of the previous requests/on duty times count.. Then again, at least now everyone started from the same point..

[Agesilaus]

Some people have become Guardians already, and there are lot of calls going around, mostly blank, though.


Guardians aren't enabled yet, they're waiting for x amount of people to hit the requirement.

I think there is an echo in this thread. :P

[e5]

i've got a way to go yet lol

[Dean]

Guardian's won't be turned on until next week

[Jordan]

First up, some of you in Habbo.com may have noticed the recent Guardians addition to the Helper Talent Track, but there’s something you should know- If you complete the Habbo Helper level this weekend you will not be able to become a Novice Guardian, as we’re waiting until early next week to turn the feature on, to make sure there are enough Guardians available to help with issues. Check back here next week to find out more about the Guardian system.

http://blog.habbo.com/2012/08/10/habbo-com-rumour-control/

[Jarkie]

http://blog.habbo.com/2012/08/10/habbo-com-rumour-control/

I've pretty much done all the novice Gaurd talent, just need the Justice one lol.

[Jon]

Im in the same boat as Jarkie at the moment, sad to admit hah.

[Jorc]

Love the new system for now, hopefully they make the requirements a little bit harder later on.