Scam or not?

[Jack!]

Considering buying two at this price, what do you think?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-TouchPad-32GB-Wi-Fi-9-7in-Glossy-Black-HP/190709702722?ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1&ih=009&category=132141&cmd=ViewItem#ht_1876wt_1139

[SackRace]

13-25 working days pmsl

[lawrawrrr]

How can they sell it for that price? I'm seriously considering it too now, but it's so cheap!!!

[Jack!]

I've sent the seller a message as if the items are in the UK It won't take that long.

Might just buy one and take a punt, always covered by Paypal.

[lawrawrrr]

I've sent the seller a message as if the items are in the UK It won't take that long.

Might just buy one and take a punt, always covered by Paypal.

Is it actually covered against fraudulent sales? I actually really want one tbh, might do the same as you, if 2 of us made the same complaint then maybe they'd be more likely to do something just in case?

[Jack!]

Is it actually covered against fraudulent sales? I actually really want one tbh, might do the same as you, if 2 of us made the same complaint then maybe they'd be more likely to do something just in case?

Yep, covered against item not as described, item not delivered, everything.

If it was a fake copy, it would be not as described, as he clearly states they are New HP Touchpads.

Screw it, buying one.

[alede]

I have been looking at is feedback which is 100% good feedback.

http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/markh01001/?_trksid=p4340.l2559

I do think that its been stolen though.

[Jack!]

I have been looking at is feedback which is 100% good feedback.

http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/markh01001/?_trksid=p4340.l2559

I do think that its been stolen though.

Yeah, last item he sold was in 2010 though.

[lawrawrrr]

Yep, covered against item not as described, item not delivered, everything.

If it was a fake copy, it would be not as described, as he clearly states they are New HP Touchpads.

Screw it, buying one.

awesome. Thank you for showing this link and your help btw, im gonna buy one too! +rep

[GoldenMerc]

got one aswel =]

[efq]

bought one, what you got to lose.

[mrwoooooooo]

they arent very good which is why theyre cheap / got discontinued...

[efq]

they arent very good which is why theyre cheap / got discontinued...
That being said £24 is still well worth a piece of ****.

[Jack!]

I shall order one, as soon as I get £4 more! :D

---------- Post added 01-08-2012 at 04:42 PM ----------

For £24, I'll stick Android on it and abuse it till it dies.

[Tomm]

I got one in the fire sale and if you had as well you would not be saying that. It runs android ICS and even today it is still incredible value at the fire sale price it was sold for a year ago and for £20 it is so cheap it seems highly suspicious.


they arent very good which is why theyre cheap / got discontinued...

[Chris]

Thats awfully cheap even for a discontinued item like that. I wont get one but I hope it turns out to be real!

[Jack!]

Managed to order one, well, Should find out within 3 weeks!

[GoldenMerc]

I've ordered one but how hard will it be to put Android on it?
What does it run atm

[Jack!]

I've ordered one but how hard will it be to put Android on it?
What does it run atm

Ships with WebOS, Which is a very nice OS, Very responsive.

You can put cyanogenmod on it, not that hard, CM7 and everything pretty much works, they are currently working on CM9 for it.

I suggest watching a few youtube videos to compare them!

[Tomm]

CM9 for TouchPad has been available for 8 months, there is no reason to be using CM7 on it anymore.


Ships with WebOS, Which is a very nice OS, Very responsive.

You can put cyanogenmod on it, not that hard, CM7 and everything pretty much works, they are currently working on CM9 for it.

I suggest watching a few youtube videos to compare them!

[Jack!]

CM9 for TouchPad has been available for 8 months, there is no reason to be using CM7 on it anymore.

Has it?

Ah, sorry, was only posting on what I had found this evening, must of found out of date information!

[Tomm]

Here was the original CM9 release back in January:

http://rootzwiki.com/topic/15509-releasealpha06-cyanogenmod-9-touchpad/

Here are the more up to date CM9 releases:

http://rootzwiki.com/topic/18843-releasealpha2-cyanogenmod-9-touchpad/


Has it?

Ah, sorry, was only posting on what I had found this evening, must of found out of date information!

[HotelUser]

Here was the original CM9 release back in January:

http://rootzwiki.com/topic/15509-releasealpha06-cyanogenmod-9-touchpad/

Here are the more up to date CM9 releases:

http://rootzwiki.com/topic/18843-releasealpha2-cyanogenmod-9-touchpad/

I went back to WebOS on mine. CM9 is great but the battery life is horrible.

[Tomm]

I don't have any problems with the battery life using cm9, perhaps you are using a old version?


I went back to WebOS on mine. CM9 is great but the battery life is horrible.

[lawrawrrr]

Actually buzzing for mine to arrive now (a) I don't even care if the battery life is that bad, just want it for lecture notes really :P

[HotelUser]

I don't have any problems with the battery life using cm9, perhaps you are using a old version?

No, mine was always up to date. I'd be lucky to get a day of battery out of it. A lot of other users were complaining of the same poor battery.

[Tomm]

Are you using the nightly?


No, mine was always up to date. I'd be lucky to get a day of battery out of it. A lot of other users were complaining of the same poor battery.

[HotelUser]

Are you using the nightly?

I ended up switching to the nightly several weeks ago because of the battery thing, and I found it was still much the same poor battery life, so I just booted back into webOS in the meantime and I get pretty decent battery life now.

[lRhyss]

Large amount of the item + Cheap price + Bulk sales + eBay = possible stolen goods

[tm]

Looks dodgy as hell to me! Definitely a stolen or hacked inactive account with old selling feedback.

1. price is insanely low. other people are selling for £150-200
2. feedback looks VERY dodgy.
- all reasonable looking feedback is from 2010,
- the only two new feedbacks (2012). one is buying a 60p game cartidge case, the other is buying an art print for 2p.
3. the user, after so much inactivity, suddenly has 3 RIDICULOUSLY cheap items for sale in very large quantities.
- http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/markh01001/m.html

- http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wireless-Network-WiFi-N-Adapter-4-Microsoft-XBOX360-BK-/190709702217
- http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seagate-Expansion-2-TB-External-Desktop-Hard-Drive-3-5-SuperSpeed-USB-3-0-Black-/190709701331
- http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-TouchPad-32GB-Wi-Fi-9-7in-Glossy-Black-HP-/190709702722

I wouldn't even bother if I were you. Seems like a VERY clear scam. I highly doubt the items for sale even exist.

//edit - also the item he bought for 2p was to the netherlands with free postage?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221082164331

[Metric1]

can you go on Habbo with it?????????????????

[Jack!]

can you go on Habbo with it?????????????????

Well, Yeah, it has Flash support so I would assume so.

And @tm Who knows, I'm covered by eBay and Paypal, we'll wait and see.

[Jack!]

Update: Marked as dispatched today, so, I'll keep you updated with my progress, would be cool if everyone else could too!

[Kieran]

I bet you end up with a cardboard box stuffed with newspapers/magazines which will be the correct weight and you'll sign for.

Can I suggest one thing to you...

EITHER: Open it in front of the delivery man so he can vouch for it or record it.

I had the same thing with an iPad I got off Amazon, although I did pay a lot more the guy was a scammer. Thankfully Amazon covered me because I opened the package and then grabbed the delivery guy before he could go anywhere so I was fully covered.

[Jack!]

I bet you end up with a cardboard box stuffed with newspapers/magazines which will be the correct weight and you'll sign for.

Can I suggest one thing to you...

EITHER: Open it in front of the delivery man so he can vouch for it or record it.

I had the same thing with an iPad I got off Amazon, although I did pay a lot more the guy was a scammer. Thankfully Amazon covered me because I opened the package and then grabbed the delivery guy before he could go anywhere so I was fully covered.

I haven't had any tracking information, so it might not of been sent via courier, who knows.

[Sharon]

If it turns out real, I'll probably get one so yeah please keep it updated:)

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On that note, it's been ended

[AngusBreez]

lol Real ones are £200-300? This is definitely a scam mate

[e5]

Haha would love to see the updates to this, keep us informed :P

[Sharon]

lol Real ones are £200-300? This is definitely a scam mate

Not really, in that breakdown HP had not long ago HP themselves and Curry/Pc World were selling them for £23 :P

[GoldenMerc]

Have a problem;
http://icap.me/i/0ELQ3DYbGf.png

Did think it with him living in Manchester how can it take up to 23 days to get the item, I was actually about to buy 5 more :( to re-sell. Guess it's a waiting game now

[Jack!]

Have a problem;
http://icap.me/i/0ELQ3DYbGf.png

Did think it with him living in Manchester how can it take up to 23 days to get the item, I was actually about to buy 5 more :( to re-sell. Guess it's a waiting game now

Aye, I just saw that, the paypal the payment was sent to was a Chinese name after checking, but the Paypal IS registered and verified, so if it is a scam then money will be easy to get back.

Don't get why people try to scam on eBay, one of the hardest places to do it!

I'll give it to the end of the month probably then start a claim, we'll see, has yours been marked as dispatched?

Edit; saw he has changed his location from the UK to China too, even though the listing still states the UK, hm.

[GoldenMerc]

Aye, I just saw that, the paypal the payment was sent to was a Chinese name after checking, but the Paypal IS registered and verified, so if it is a scam then money will be easy to get back.

Don't get why people try to scam on eBay, one of the hardest places to do it!

I'll give it to the end of the month probably then start a claim, we'll see, has yours been marked as dispatched?
Mine was marked as dispatched on the 5th, what im wondering is what if it comes and its a chinese rep? We have to send it back to china and pay the costs?
Ross

[Tomm]

eBay/PayPal will most likely request you destroy the goods if they are counterfeit rather than send them back.


Mine was marked as dispatched on the 5th, what im wondering is what if it comes and its a chinese rep? We have to send it back to china and pay the costs?
Ross

[Jack!]

Mine was marked as dispatched on the 5th, what im wondering is what if it comes and its a chinese rep? We have to send it back to china and pay the costs?
Ross

If it comes and its a Chinese rep then I'll just say it wasn't delivered and keep it.

[GoldenMerc]

eBay/PayPal will most likely request you destroy the goods if they are counterfeit rather than send them back.

Ah, so does that mean i get a refund ?
I generally thought these got "Discontinued" and were being sold off cheap :(

[Jack!]

Ah, so does that mean i get a refund ?
I generally thought these got "Discontinued" and were being sold off cheap :(

Yeah, you will get a refund if its like that.

Ah, I just thought it was some old stock that was in the UK, I thought the same, ah well, hopefully one arrives! got my hopes up, haha.

[GoldenMerc]

Yeh same :(

[Tomm]

From the buyer protection agreement:

"If you lose a Significantly Not as Described Claim because the item you sold is counterfeit, you will be required to provide a full refund to the buyer and you will not receive the item back (it will be destroyed)."

Also in any case you're still protected by the Sales of Goods Act and the Distance Selling Regulations since it was a buy it now item. Even those laws provide you the means to get a refund and not have to pay for return postage if it is not as described, faulty or not fit for purpose and are completely separate from any eBay or PayPal agreement.


Ah, so does that mean i get a refund ?
I generally thought these got "Discontinued" and were being sold off cheap :(

[GoldenMerc]

From the buyer protection agreement:

"If you lose a Significantly Not as Described Claim because the item you sold is counterfeit, you will be required to provide a full refund to the buyer and you will not receive the item back (it will be destroyed)."

Also in any case you're still protected by the Sales of Goods Act and the Distance Selling Regulations since it was a buy it now item. Even those laws provide you the means to get a refund and not have to pay for return postage if it is not as described, faulty or not fit for purpose and are completely separate from any eBay or PayPal agreement.

What if he spent all the money in his PP and no card was attached, does that mean PayPal refund us?

[Jack!]

What if he spent all the money in his PP and no card was attached, does that mean PayPal refund us?

Paypal will refund us then hunt him down for the money, and as he has a verified Paypal account he has to have a card attached anyway.

[Tomm]

Yep, and his PayPal account would go into the negative.


What if he spent all the money in his PP and no card was attached, does that mean PayPal refund us?

[GoldenMerc]

Alright cheers, best win the claim if we need to do them. I've sent him a message on eBay asking why its going to take up to 25 days if its from England...

[Jack!]

Alright cheers, best win the claim if we need to do them. I've sent him a message on eBay asking why its going to take up to 25 days if its from England...

I wouldn't worry, the Seller does not have a leg to stand on without Tracking, oh how that's screwed me over a few times, always send stuff recorded now!

Here is a quote from a claim I had. "Customer Support comments:
We didn't receive tracking information from the seller. We're sorry you have a problem with your purchase, and we're issuing you with a refund in this case."

If he is fraudulent, with the other sales he will have over 100 claims against him, eBay would take action on something like that.

[GoldenMerc]

I wouldn't worry.

If he is fraudulent, with the other sales he will have over 100 claims against him, eBay would take action on something like that.

The claims go through PayPal and it's the worst service possible trying to speak to win silly case's :/

[Jack!]

The claims go through PayPal and it's the worst service possible trying to speak to win silly case's :/

Nah, claims go through eBay mate when you purchase something on eBay, read my edit above :)

[efq]

Marked it as dispatched but like said above, if lots of people dispute it, he's got no chance, so that's why I took a gamble, nothing to lose.

Tbf, if I didn't win, I'm not going to cry over £24. I went in this deal prepared to be £24 down and not receive the item. Just for pot luck ;)

[GoldenMerc]

Nah, claims go through eBay mate when you purchase something on eBay, read my edit above :)


Marked it as dispatched but like said above, if lots of people dispute it, he's got no chance, so that's why I took a gamble, nothing to lose.

Tbf, if I didn't win, I'm not going to cry over £24. I went in this deal prepared to be £24 down and not receive the item. Just for pot luck ;)
Yeh i agree, just a bit of a shame as i was excited about it :P

[Jack!]

Yeh i agree, just a bit of a shame as i was excited about it :P

Same here :P

And if anything, just means I'll have an extra £24 in a few weeks! Like a savings account!

[GoldenMerc]

Same here :P

And if anything, just means I'll have an extra £24 in a few weeks! Like a savings account!
to be fair will be another wasted £24 as il just buy silly stuff once its in my paypal :(

[Jack!]

to be fair will be another wasted £24 as il just buy silly stuff once its in my paypal :(

Did you pay with Paypal, but it automatically took the money from your card?

If so the money is refunded to the card, via Paypal, so basically it goes straight to the bank!

[efq]

to be fair will be another wasted £24 as il just buy silly stuff once its in my paypal :(
Aw I know, hey, lets not rule anything out, could be some thug whos got tons and getting rid of them and it's 25 days cause that's when he's going to be released on bail ;)

When I get money in my paypal I spend it on stuff too :(

[GoldenMerc]

Did you pay with Paypal, but it automatically took the money from your card?

If so the money is refunded to the card, via Paypal, so basically it goes straight to the bank!


Aw I know, hey, lets not rule anything out, could be some thug whos got tons and getting rid of them and it's 25 days cause that's when he's going to be released on bail ;)

When I get money in my paypal I spend it on stuff too :(
Oh that's good Jack, I got one of the Android Tablets a few years back, it lasted 2 weeks then broke. At the time it was when all the tablets like iPad were released, it was about £230 if i remember :P

[GoldenMerc]

http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=markh01001&&_trksid=p4340.l2560&rt=nc&iid=190709702722&sspagename=VIP:feedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller

Now down to 50% feedback, should we all just dispute now?

[Jack!]

http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=markh01001&&_trksid=p4340.l2560&rt=nc&iid=190709702722&sspagename=VIP:feedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller

Now down to 50% feedback, should we all just dispute now?

If we dispute now eBay CS Will say to wait the time stated on the listing, so another few weeks, and once you have claimed once you cannot again on the same item, so I wont be yet!

[GoldenMerc]

His reps now to 40% will leave it untill 11th then will open dispute.

[Jack!]

His reps now to 40% will leave it untill 11th then will open dispute.

Good luck with that;


The item is probably on its way. Please allow enough time for the seller to process and post your item. If you still haven't received the item by 01 Sep, 2012, please contact us. You can also try contacting the seller.

:(

[=Lizzy]

It's a fraud, open a claim on PayPal to get your money back!
Buyer: kastrapo84 (http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/kastrapo84) ( 4 (http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=kastrapo84) )

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looks like i have been ripped off you dont get items or money back
Buyer: bryonyroselouise (http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/bryonyroselouise) ( 45 (http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=bryonyroselouise)http://p.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/icon/iconYellowStar_25x25.gif)

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Guy lives in China and is a fraud !! Be aware !! You dont get your products !!!!
Buyer: joeritje87 (http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/joeritje87) ( 0 (http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=joeritje87) )

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looks as if others think its a scam also

[GoldenMerc]

Good luck with that;



:(


looks as if others think its a scam also

emailed them

[Jack!]

I've opened a case, saying that the item arrived but was an empty box :)

[peteyt]

What happens to the user after people make a claim which is successful? I bought a cheap 750gb portable hard drive that never arrived - realised the feedback that was good was from a year or so ago just like with this one. I got my money back but I notice the account still seems to be there or at least visible. Do ebay not delete their accounts?

[GoldenMerc]

What happens to the user after people make a claim which is successful? I bought a cheap 750gb portable hard drive that never arrived - realised the feedback that was good was from a year or so ago just like with this one. I got my money back but I notice the account still seems to be there or at least visible. Do ebay not delete their accounts?
Says user is no longer registered with ebay, once they are "banned"

[Jack!]

What happens to the user after people make a claim which is successful? I bought a cheap 750gb portable hard drive that never arrived - realised the feedback that was good was from a year or so ago just like with this one. I got my money back but I notice the account still seems to be there or at least visible. Do ebay not delete their accounts?

Only once they get a certain number of claims on them, and the feedback hits 0 I believe.

[NUMAN]

Only once they get a certain number of claims on them, and the feedback hits 0 I believe.

Any more updates, i still have my fingers crossed over this one, any one with me.

[GoldenMerc]

He's down to 25% afaik

[NUMAN]

PLS tell me guys what should we do now, also what other tablet we should buy

[Jack!]

And made his feedback private! Defiantly a scam.

I've opened a Item was not as described case, and told them an empty box arrived, up to you what you do though, you can open an item did not arrived case at the beginning of September I think.

[GoldenMerc]

Yeh i have to wait untill 1st sept, pretty annoyed but hey **

[Jack!]

Yeh i have to wait untill 1st sept, pretty annoyed but hey **

Just do what I did, I'll get my money back on the 17th, so 6 days. You have to wait a week and a half I think doing it this way.

[GoldenMerc]

Just do what I did, I'll get my money back on the 17th, so 6 days. You have to wait a week and a half I think doing it this way.
Explain it in a little tut please :P

[GoldenMerc]

How strange, he now seems to be getting positive feedback, i've already given him poor feedback as im sure the product isnt coming and if it is it'd be a rep

[Niall!]

How strange, he now seems to be getting positive feedback, i've already given him poor feedback as im sure the product isnt coming and if it is it'd be a rep

Probably just making alternate accounts.

[efq]

Haven't received anything but open a dispute a while ago and he hasn't replied so might get the money back.

Too good to be true eh :p