Staff and entering competitions

[Richie]

I understand why staff can't enter competitions, others may see it as 'cheating'. Firstly, I'd like to point out that staff dedicate tons of their time for free to habbox and in return get blocked from doing events like these. I'm staff because I want to help habbox and give back to the community not necessarily because I find it enjoyable.


HxHD- can't enter snq (Which they couldn't do anyway but POINTS ARE AT STAKE!!)
HxL - Presenters can't enter on air competitions because it would be seen as cheating, even though a random number generator is used 99% of the time. (Oh and the panel is logged by every click)
Comps - Can't enter other peoples comps as it might be seen as bias, which I can understand but I still don't think it's fair to have those in the comps team at a disadvantage during the event.
Events - Even though cheating happened between events organisers during the habbox olympics, the events team can still enter events, which I agree they should be allowed to do.



Management are putting staff at a disadvantage during this event when really it doesn't need to be done. The only competitions I could see people cheating in, is competitions where a user needs to be selected for the best post etc i.e comps but even still, i don't think it's fair on the team. I'm not too fussed about the hxss as i never really entered it in the past anyway but I just don't see why staff are limited but others aren't. I just say let everyone enter comps and let people speculate, it really shouldn't be a problem, the majority of the staff members are trusted and wouldn't want to stoop to those levels anyhow.


Oh and just to point out how unfair it is on hxl staff (haven't really looked into other departments) but since the event started habboxlive alone has given away 2650 points that's 2650 points i could have won for my team ;l

[Samantha]

I remember getting told hxhd staff could enter during hxss, I said if that was allowed why couldn't comp staff enter fixed entry competitions. Also richie graphics staff cant enter graphic comps and same with news too. In news it could only appear bias if Laura was here as I'm in blue and news is in green, Laura wouldn't be biased though and I did think news staff were ok not to enter as its done by them etc. I think it's a process of allowing everyone or no one. Not talking about events as if I am biased im more biased to teams I'm not in lmao.

[Richie]

I remember getting told hxhd staff could enter during hxss, I said if that was allowed why couldn't comp staff enter fixed entry competitions. Also richie graphics staff cant enter graphic comps and same with news too. In news it could only appear bias if Laura was here as I'm in blue and news is in green, Laura wouldn't be biased though and I did think news staff were ok not to enter as its done by them etc. I think it's a process of allowing everyone or no one. Not talking about events as if I am biased im more biased to teams I'm not in lmao.

Never really thought about other departments but things like graphics I can understand because the majority of the good designers work for habbox anyhow but I agree, I just think it's sucking the fun out of the event by limiting certain people.

[Red]

I remember getting told hxhd staff could enter during hxss, I said if that was allowed why couldn't comp staff enter fixed entry competitions. Also richie graphics staff cant enter graphic comps and same with news too. In news it could only appear bias if Laura was here as I'm in blue and news is in green, Laura wouldn't be biased though and I did think news staff were ok not to enter as its done by them etc. I think it's a process of allowing everyone or no one. Not talking about events as if I am biased im more biased to teams I'm not in lmao.

Because they get to see the competitions before they are released? HxHD staff don't get to see the questions. I think its very unfair on djs and why does this rule not apply to events then and I still don't agree with an events manager winning the comp overall.

[Foregetfuhl]

Because they get to see the competitions before they are released? HxHD staff don't get to see the questions. I think its very unfair on djs and why does this rule not apply to events then and I still don't agree with an events manager winning the comp overall.

I don't show any other DJs my questions before I go on air, they hear them the same time as everyone else does..

[Red]

I don't show any other DJs my questions before I go on air, they hear them the same time as everyone else does..

I think its more of an issue that they could log on the panel and see the answers but then as Richie said its logged sooo..

[Samantha]

Because they get to see the competitions before they are released? HxHD staff don't get to see the questions. I think its very unfair on djs and why does this rule not apply to events then and I still don't agree with an events manager winning the comp overall.

That doesnt matter? A fixed answer competition means that yes we see questions before but ww can only enter when the competition goes out and It still is completely random. Hxhd questions can easily be cheated with the ways of communicating, snq happens then whereas with a.competition we have five days to enter.

If you're doing that you might as well do it in a thread like for the olympics and make the competitions staff forum like the support forum so we couldnt possibly see.

Hxhd staff can already enter the quiz hunt so you have an advantage anyway.

[sex]

are you serious 2560 and i've won like 50........... omfg

[Foregetfuhl]

are you serious 2560 and i've won like 50........... omfg

I've given away 1200 for HxL so far hahahaha!

[Richie]

I think its more of an issue that they could log on the panel and see the answers but then as Richie said its logged sooo..

Plus it doesn't really make a difference because all winners are randomly generated :P If I start looking at the competition line when I'm not booked, obviously it looks susy because it'll come up in the logs 'Richie has viewed competitions at 14:21' all it takes is a quick cntrl + f at the end of each day and if it shows djs looking at the competition line when they're not booked, warn them but either way it doesn't make a difference because they can't rig the random number generator..

[Red]

That doesnt matter? A fixed answer competition means that yes we see questions before but ww can only enter when the competition goes out and It still is completely random. Hxhd questions can easily be cheated with the ways of communicating, snq happens then whereas with a.competition we have five days to enter.

If you're doing that you might as well do it in a thread like for the olympics and make the competitions staff forum like the support forum so we couldnt possibly see.

Hxhd staff can already enter the quiz hunt so you have an advantage anyway.

The actual lack of trust in hxhd staff is disgusting. Why are HxHD labelled as cheats? :S ONE person makes the questions, like they do EVERY week. They do not get handed out to any other person. You still have an unfair advantage seeing the comps before they air.

[Pigperson]

Tbh I am of the same opinion that for a lot of events/comps staff not being able to enter is silly. For competitions I don't see how cheating can occur if it isn't your competition. If you see the comp before, it makes no difference really and fixed answer comps have their answers kept secret from staff.

Most of the time comps/events are hosted by one person so it is a shame that the department are excluded when they are just as unaware of the answer or w/e as the non-staff members.

Will

[Samantha]

The actual lack of trust in hxhd staff is disgusting. Why are HxHD labelled as cheats? :S ONE person makes the questions, like they do EVERY week. They do not get handed out to any other person. You still have an unfair advantage seeing the comps before they air.

I'm not labelling them as cheats, stop putting words into my mouth. Hxhd staff can enter quiz hunt giving you an unfair advantage, if that's the case then most staff should be allowed to enter their department competitions and events. can you not see its unfair on other staff than hxhd? Not taking events into consideration.

[xxMATTGxx]

I think the problem is when do you draw the line? If it's clear that they can get to know the questions and answers before the public then that is when a ban should probably come into place.

At the moment Competitions Staff get to see all the comps that are being made by the department before they are approved and posted pubic. This would also be the same for most other departments who do something similar.

Graphics - Well they are Graphics staff

HxHD - They don't get to enter SNQ normally but hosted by General Management so no questions would be posted in that forum

Quiz Hunt (HxHD) - Surely everyone has a fair chance at that? Just get your team to enter it once you know the location of the question. None of those questions or answers have been posted to HxHD staff. Unless we are accusing HxHD Management of cheating?

HabboxLive - Main concern is that they can see the request line and could easily go and check answers If they wanted to. Plus I don't think it would be that fair if we was giving away thrones for example and a HabboxLive DJ won.

[Red]

I'm not labelling them as cheats, stop putting words into my mouth. Hxhd staff can enter quiz hunt giving you an unfair advantage, if that's the case then most staff should be allowed to enter their department competitions and events. can you not see its unfair on other staff than hxhd? Not taking events into consideration.

'Hxhd questions can easily be cheated with the ways of communicating' Sound like your accusing us of cheating? :S If you want to exclude HxHD from entering just because the other departments can't then so be it but don't accuse us of giving the answers out because that isn't on.

[xxMATTGxx]

If you all told your team where the question is or even told them the question and answer then your team has more chance of winning than anyone else. So if you want to beat everyone else, start using tactics in earning the points.

[Samantha]

Quiz hunt gives an advantage to hxhd as staff in other departmwnts can't enter thwir.own departments events and competition such as news, graphics, hxl. Mike told me hxhd staffcant enter snq now so i dont see the problem therw.
We have.
Kirst I didn't label them has cheats, you were talking to me so I used the department you work in as an example, it can be said by other departments. Even say news, that's why I agree that they shouldn't enter.the competitoons

[xxMATTGxx]

Quiz hunt gives an advantage to hxhd as staff in other departmwnts can't enter thwir.own departments events and competition such as news, graphics, hxl. Mike told me hxhd staffcant enter snq now so i dont see the problem therw.

Isn't it mainly due to those being created by the staff themselves? Where as the Quiz Hunt is made by management instead of staff members.

[Samantha]

Isn't it mainly due to those being created by the staff themselves? Where as the Quiz is made by management instead of staff members.

as I just said on msn, not really. As far as I know the graphics team cant enter the telephrase maze yet they ddnt create it.

[Richie]

HabboxLive - Main concern is that they can see the request line and could easily go and check answers If they wanted to. Plus I don't think it would be that fair if we was giving away thrones for example and a HabboxLive DJ won.


Obviously larger scaled competitions should be limited for staff but people enter for points not for the furni. I don't think many people check the competition line but like I said as far I'm aware everything is monitored (at least it used to be) so it wouldn't be hard to find out who's cheating and who's not. The competition questions are normally something straight forward anyhow, 'who is the gm of habbox' and if staff really need to access the panel to find out who's the gm that's a little worrying. Like I said though man habboxlive have given away nearly 3k points in just under 3 days so it isn't exactly fair. It's not like a few points here and there, it's on a large scale and taking someone out of those competitions is just like removing events staff from event competitions, most djs give away points on a daily basis.

[Red]

Well i think its absolutely ridiculous that 'hxhd staff might give other hxhd staff the answers' was put forward as a reason for us not being allowed to enter. There is absolutely no valid reason why we shouldn't apart from 'its unfair on other departments.' So why are events allowed to enter events then?

[Foregetfuhl]

If it were things like rares/thrones i would probs restrict the HxL staff, but i'm only really giving away points and sometimes credits and I wouldn't show the DJs.. everythings logged :/ need people to start trusting the HxL staff, 99% of them won't cheat and it is all random. I'm not good at events, questions are my bag and it sucks because I can't enter the HxL competitions, when I know those are my best way to get points.

[garriet]

Hxhd staff can already enter the quiz hunt so you have an advantage anyway.

not sure why you say that but i dont wanna cause an argument. but i don't think there is a need to bring the hxhd quiz hunt into this even though it was only an "example". it was organised by me and rosy, we haven't let any of the staff know about it they didn't even know until you did by reading the thread in the hxss forum. if you feel that hxhd staff have an advantage (which they don't) try using tactics in your team so you know you're going to win. none of the answers are in the staff area so its not an advantage in that way

it was aimed at everyone because hxss is for everyone. :)

[Samantha]

not sure why you say that but i dont wanna cause an argument. but i don't think there is a need to bring the hxhd quiz hunt into this even though it was only an "example". it was organised by me and rosy, we haven't let any of the staff know about it they didn't even know until you did by reading the thread in the hxss forum. if you feel that hxhd staff have an advantage (which they don't) try using tactics in your team so you know you're going to win. none of the answers are in the staff area so its not an advantage in that way

it was aimed at everyone because hxss is for everyone. :)

It is an advantage, HxHD is one of the only departments allowed enter their own competition or event, they have an extra way to earn points whereas many others except events can't. I'm not saying it's easier for them to win at all as its random, I'm saying they can enter that but departments suh as graphics, hxl, news, forum cannot enter their own events. According to form it was upto you and rosy whether they could enter or not but it wasn't down to a department manager for the departments such as forum, hxl and news. I'm not arguing just giving my point of view.

[lTraditional]

I am sure there is no cheating going on however they are just some possibilities of what could happen.

Graphics - Obvious some of the best designers are on the team so that would be unfair.

Events - If it is an event like Falling Furniture and Costume Change then yes, possible however I believe when I was in events, the management tended to discourage them events and I believe Costume Change is banned anyway unless it came back now. Events like Pod Racing for example, I see no cheating there unless you 'rig' the dices but come on - rigging is so 1960.

Competitions - It isn't like you are seeing the lottery numbers the day before, is it? If it is a fixed answer, it is usually done by a random generator anyway. If it is the most creative one then cheating could be done however I believe you need to tell the manager who the winner is unless that has changed and I am sure if management find something strange (like the same winner for your competitions every week) then they could obviously take action.

Habbox Help Desk - There could be communication however I fail to see how that is a problem because their best friend could be a normal member so they could cheat that way so I fail to see how the whole team should be restricted from the quiz because it isn't like they see the answers before anyway.

Habbox Live - Basically similar to competitions, fixed answers are basically done with a random number generator so I doubt there would be issues there and same with the Habbox Help Desk SNQ, their best friend could be a normal member who can enter - what is to stop them cheating?

News - Why bother as it is the same as everyone else.

[sex]

They need to trust the HxHD staff. Remember when i posted a thread about rigging at the Habbox Olympics and notsoserious. said that he trusted the events staff enough to ensure the didn't rig. Surely the same should go for the HxHD staff?

[Samantha]

They need to trust the HxHD staff. Remember when i posted a thread about rigging at the Habbox Olympics and notsoserious. said that he trusted the events staff enough to ensure the didn't rig. Surely the same should go for the HxHD staff?
Saying that Graham shouldn't that be said to all departments?
That trust must have been thin as I thought some did.

[lTraditional]

If they can't be trusted, why are they even staff?

[garriet]

If they can't be trusted, why are they even staff?

they can be trusted, i trust my staff. it's other people who don't trust us. :)

[sex]

Saying that Graham shouldn't that be said to all departments?
That trust must have been thin as I thought some did.

Yeah i agree but i've only heard of the hxhd not being allowed enter snq because thats the only members of staff who have mentioned it or that i've payed attention too :P

[lawrawrrr]

I TOTALLY AGREE OK HERE'S LAURAS IDEAS

HxHD - should be able to enter snq as they don't see the questions before

HxL - IT'S RANDOM NUMBERED FGS, if it was 'favouritism' then are you going to ban the djs friends from entering? NOOOOOO....

Comps - The comps should be in a private forum where only the managers/any seniors would be able to see - so normal staff should still be allowed to enter. With fixed answer ones, they should be allowed to enter.

Events - If other departments aren't allowed to win in that department why should events be any different? Might be favouritism, better stop them from entering! Even the managers win (when they're not too busy trashing someone so they can't even host) which I don't think is right at all.

Any Other Department - if they can see the answers before, no. If they can't, why won't you let them enter??

You are basically saying here that if someone gives up their time and hard effort to contribute to your site then they can't have anything in return. Fair? I think not.

[lTraditional]

they can be trusted, i trust my staff. it's other people who don't trust us. :)

True however why wouldn't you trust them? Obviously their are ways to cheat but their are ways to cheat for everything, doesn't mean they do cheat.

Random from the top of my head statistics but I would probably say, cheating with a normal member is probably 30% more likely to happen then cheating with a staff member. That's all I can say and yes - that isn't accurate but that is my personal opinion and what I estimate anyway.

[Samantha]

I TOTALLY AGREE OK HERE'S LAURAS IDEAS

HxHD - should be able to enter snq as they don't see the questions before

HxL - IT'S RANDOM NUMBERED FGS, if it was 'favouritism' then are you going to ban the djs friends from entering? NOOOOOO....

Comps - The comps should be in a private forum where only the managers/any seniors would be able to see - so normal staff should still be allowed to enter. With fixed answer ones, they should be allowed to enter.

Events - If other departments aren't allowed to win in that department why should events be any different? Might be favouritism, better stop them from entering! Even the managers win (when they're not too busy trashing someone so they can't even host) which I don't think is right at all.

Any Other Department - if they can see the answers before, no. If they can't, why won't you let them enter??

You are basically saying here that if someone gives up their time and hard effort to contribute to your site then they can't have anything in return. Fair? I think not.

I actually agree, if its same for all departments then i dont mind but it shouldn't be one department can enter so and so but others cant etc.

[Richie]

I TOTALLY AGREE OK HERE'S LAURAS IDEAS

HxHD - should be able to enter snq as they don't see the questions before

HxL - IT'S RANDOM NUMBERED FGS, if it was 'favouritism' then are you going to ban the djs friends from entering? NOOOOOO....

Comps - The comps should be in a private forum where only the managers/any seniors would be able to see - so normal staff should still be allowed to enter. With fixed answer ones, they should be allowed to enter.

Events - If other departments aren't allowed to win in that department why should events be any different? Might be favouritism, better stop them from entering! Even the managers win (when they're not too busy trashing someone so they can't even host) which I don't think is right at all.

Any Other Department - if they can see the answers before, no. If they can't, why won't you let them enter??

You are basically saying here that if someone gives up their time and hard effort to contribute to your site then they can't have anything in return. Fair? I think not.


Can't rep :( hit the nail on the head

[Grig]

HxL people are allowed to enter normal comps and have always been to enter other big comps like HxStarz, so that seems unfair and takes away the fun. Not sure why this has been implemented.

Also, there should be quotas, not one DJ giving away millions of points on crap uncreative comps etc. Although there is a counter-argument to this.