Duke Taken To Hospital As 'Precaution'

[efq]

The Duke of Edinburgh has been taken to hospital as a "precautionary measure", Buckingham Palace has said.

Prince Philip was taken to Aberdeen Royal Infirmary this afternoon, the palace said.
The nature of his illness was not disclosed.

It comes after he spent five nights in hospital with a bladder infection following the Diamond Jubilee Pageant on the River Thames.
He was discharged from London's King Edward VII just in time for his 91st birthday, but his treatment meant the Queen spent some of her jubilee celebrations without him by her side.

In the past year he has also been treated for a blocked coronary artery following chest pains.

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[Mathew]

I'm worried that his hospital visits appear to be getting more frequent. Hope he pulls through. :)

[efq]

I'm worried that his hospital visits appear to be getting more frequent. Hope he pulls through. :)
Yeah, also you don't happen to think it may have been the reason the Queen didn't attend the closing ceremony?

[ProudFall]

Shame. He's a funny guy. Even if he did call Stoke-on-Trent a "ghastly place" when visiting xD

[-:Undertaker:-]

I hope he's alright, my favourite royal. :)

[efq]

He has been released from hospital after spending 5 nights receiving treatment for the reoccurring bladder infection.

[Kieran]

Shame. He's a funny guy. Even if he did call Stoke-on-Trent a "ghastly place" when visiting xD

That's because S-o-T is a ghastly place... in fact it's worse, it's a **** hole :P

[lawrawrrr]

In answer to earlier, the Queen already said she was never going to attend the opening AND closing ceremonies, only the opening one so that's not related.

What a shame though, he's a lovely man (yeah i met him u jel). He is getting quite old thought so it's not surprising that he's having issues. Unfortunately he probably doesn't have much time left :(

[efq]

What was her reason for it? She attended the opening, but the closing usually is more popular and meaningful?

He looked really well when he came out of the hospital though, smiling, laughing, shaking hands etc.

[GommeInc]

What was her reason for it? She attended the opening, but the closing usually is more popular and meaningful?

He looked really well when he came out of the hospital though, smiling, laughing, shaking hands etc.
She has a duty to open the games, but no duty to be there for the closing.

[FlyingJesus]

Actually had a little cheer when I heard on the radio earlier that he'd been released from the hospital

[dirrty]

i legit must be the only person whose opinion is 'meh'. don't have time for racists (old or not).

[-:Undertaker:-]

i legit must be the only person whose opinion is 'meh'. don't have time for racists (old or not).

Oh my lord are you serious? Are you seriously saying the Duke dislikes or hates blacks, arabs and Han Chinese?

Another stuffy white person who is the only one offended by innocent comments about culture or race when most black people and Han can see its a joke, as per usual.

[FlyingJesus]

Oh my lord are you serious? Are you seriously saying the Duke dislikes or hates blacks, arabs and Han Chinese?

Another stuffy white person who is the only one offended by innocent comments about culture or race when most black people and Han can see its a joke, as per usual.

Akeem's black, Dan.

[sex]

Oh my lord are you serious? Are you seriously saying the Duke dislikes or hates blacks, arabs and Han Chinese?

Another stuffy white person who is the only one offended by innocent comments about culture or race when most black people and Han can see its a joke, as per usual.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO OH MY GOD

Edited by efq (Trialist Forum Moderator): Please do not post pointlessly, thanks.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Akeem's black, Dan.

Ooh well that's a big surprise I have to say, usually its just middle class white people who take innocent comments seriously and jump at the chance to call somebody a racizt!!!! ... Either way, Akeem is obviously oblivious to the following factors - political correctness, Prince Phillips generation and banter, a joke as compared with meaningful comments.

I don't have time for reactionaries and killjoys, but I still wouldn't wish or be indifferent to death on one.

[FlyingJesus]

There is just so much wrong going on here

[dirrty]

i forgot racism is 100% acceptable when it's relayed in a joke-form. i also forgot the memo where ethnic minorities should only be offended when a white person says they should be.

MY BAD, I FORGOT. PLEASE FORGIVE ME!!!!!!!!

and omg lmao. so are you actually saying, because someone gives 'meaningful' comments, the casual/subtle racism doesn't matter? because that's what i'm getting at from reading that. lmao, you got jokes. i'm sorry that i don't blur the (very distant) lines between ignorance and innocence.

and wow, you really got offended by my sentence. is this really hard for you? are you feeling oppressed? do you want to talk about it? aw

[-:Undertaker:-]

i forgot racism is 100% acceptable when it's relayed in a joke-form. i also forgot the memo where ethnic minorities should only be offended when a white person says they should be.

MY BAD, I FORGOT. PLEASE FORGIVE ME!!!!!!!!

Are his comments racist? is there any nastiness in them what so ever? not at all, grow up and get into the real world because if you're going to be offended at every little innocent comment a 91-year old makes then you're in for a shock. I'd also add that even if you had an opinion on his gaffes/jokes, you've made yourself look like a nasty piece of work by hinting that his death wouldn't be such a bad thing.


and omg lmao. so are you actually saying, because someone gives 'meaningful' comments, the casual/subtle racism doesn't matter? because that's what i'm getting at from reading that. lmao, you got jokes. i'm sorry that i don't blur the (very distant) lines between ignorance and innocence.

Yes I am.

When Nick Griffin or white radicals in the US say they hate black people, how on earth is this comparable with an innocent joke from a 91-year old? .. maybe some distinction between the two would do you some good.


and wow, you really got offended by my sentence. is this really hard for you? are you feeling oppressed? do you want to talk about it? aw

I don't get offended, I just dislike people abusing words (racism, sexism, 'homophobia') and abusing others by throwing words at them comparing them to the likes of Nick Griffin, Adolf Hitler and Co.

Indeed, if this is the manner in which you react i'm surprised you haven't labelled me as a racist yet for opposing mass immigration.

[FlyingJesus]

You're not a racist for opposing mass immigration, you're a racist for assuming that someone who took offence to something that you don't see a problem with MUST be a white apologist, and for completely disregarding the wider effect of propagating racial stereotypes and disguising them as jokes. Outspoken hatred is not the only way to belittle people, surely you must realise that

[dirrty]

just because i said that him being in hospital is a "meh" moment for myself (and that i don't have time for racists) does not mean that i'm personally offended by what he says (or anyone else who hides their racism within jokes as, well according to you it's ~acceptable). there is a difference between being aware/not accepting of racism, and being personally offended by it. i'm not personally offended by a lot of things as i try not to invest too much of my time/emotions into what goes on is this world because, well the public are just *****. and sorry, there's no "shock" for me. i've been on the receiving end of various forms of racism, so i've come to push aside that some people just love to run their mouths. but that doesn't mean that i should ignore, or not show my disdain.

so you can take your condescending tone somewhere else.

and, wow. i forgot that he's been 91 his whole life, and that he's never said anything previously in his younger years. once again, my fault. and in a general sense, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING THAT ISN'T BLATANT RACISM, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ACCEPTABLE. jesus, how do you not get that? the majority of the time, racism isn't blatant. but i guess, it's not that easy for you to comprehend.

and (wow, i've put that a lot), where the hell are you getting griffin, hitler etc. comparisons from? i haven't mentioned that anywhere hahahahahaha, you really are pulling things out of the sky.

once again, i'm sorry that you can't fathem there being various forms of racism. there's no point in even arguing with you; it's pretty late. maybe you should go to bed and reply in the morning or something? :rolleyes:

[-:Undertaker:-]

just because i said that him being in hospital is a "meh" moment for myself (and that i don't have time for racists) does not mean that i'm personally offended by what he says (or anyone else who hides their racism within jokes as, well according to you it's ~acceptable).

If the Duke were racist (having a lesser opinion of other races) then do you really think he would put up with having to travel the world and meet African leaders, the leadership of the Indian subcontinent, the Chinese/Indochinese leadership, the Arabs, the Turks, the South Americans and so on? if he were really hateful of other races, do you think he would be put through shaking hands with people of all different colours as well as sitting down to dinner with them?

He is Greek himself, and probably a thousand times more culturally aware than you and me will ever be.


there is a difference between being aware/not accepting of racism, and being personally offended by it. i'm not personally offended by a lot of things as i try not to invest too much of my time/emotions into what goes on is this world because, well the public are just *****. and sorry, there's no "shock" for me. i've been on the receiving end of various forms of racism, so i've come to push aside that some people just love to run their mouths. but that doesn't mean that i should ignore, or not show my disdain.

So again, is the Duke a racist like Nick Griffin and leaders of the KKK/neo-nazi groups in Europe and North America? are you seriously putting him with those people by classing him as a racist? and as for your personal circumstances, think to yourself whether his innocent comments in jest (usually not even about race anyway, usually about culture) are anything near the comments you've had in the past which probably were hateful and genuinely vile.

I thought not and if so - then you're just an insecure person.


so you can take your condescending tone somewhere else.

I'll explain simple terms to you in the manner in which I please.


and, wow. i forgot that he's been 91 his whole life, and that he's never said anything previously in his younger years. once again, my fault. and in a general sense, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING THAT ISN'T BLATANT RACISM, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ACCEPTABLE. jesus, how do you not get that? the majority of the time, racism isn't blatant. but i guess, it's not that easy for you to comprehend.

Are you not aware of political correctness? political correctness and racism are completely different things (although you've already stated that virtually any comments on race are RACIZT), however with political correctness (a process since the 1960s) innocent comments which were the normal among the Dukes generation are now taken as racism when they're not.

Therefore many would say that the Duke may sound crude (not meaning any malice towards others of different races) but only because of the era he was brought up in.


and (wow, i've put that a lot), where the hell are you getting griffin, hitler etc. comparisons from? i haven't mentioned that anywhere hahahahahaha, you really are pulling things out of the sky.

No response then, I thought so.

Your logic is that the Duke is racist, so i'm asking you to lump him in with Nick Griffin and neo-nazis right now. Are you prepared to be brave, follow your own logic and look silly?


once again, i'm sorry that you can't fathem there being various forms of racism. there's no point in even arguing with you; it's pretty late. maybe you should go to bed and reply in the morning or something? :rolleyes:

I've been to bed darling, although from your posts i'd suggest you have some sleep as you're making yourself look absurd.

[dirrty]

bloody hell. the fact of the matter is that you're categorising all forms of racism, into one. that's the only issue here! i never said that he is a blatant racist like those who you've mentioned, and it's only yourself who has been forming those sentences. we as individuals have different 'faces' we hold. how we act in private, and how we act in public are, and can be completely different. our social settings dicate how we act. i don't have a clue how he acts in private (for obvious reasons), but the fact that he (AND OTHERS IN GENERAL TERMS) casually throw racist 'jokes' is significant, and can give small hints to how he (AND OTHERS IN GENERAL) act in private.

and of course they're not both completely comparable (phillip vs. hitler etc.), but once again you're dismissing different levels of racism. that's what everything boils down to!! political correctness shouldn't even come into the equation, as its just plain insulting to even argue that subtle racism comes under that umbrella.

and there's nothing wrong with my logic. you're the one who fails to take note that there are different levels of racism. just because it (or anything for that matter) is subtle, doesn't mean that it's acceptable. someone going up to an asian person and asking if they can see (or whatever remark they desire to say) isn't acceptable in any shape or form. but i guess, if someone said that in a 'joking' way, then it's fine?

hahaha, i'm making myself look absurd? really? lmao, this is all too hilarious.

[GommeInc]

He is mildly racist, but it seems to be in good faith rather than immediately belittling another culture on purpose to give a sense of superiority. He seems to do it just to make aware of stereotypes and joke about them, rather than to suggest they're useless and Britain is better.

If he was xenophobic he would have a fear of another culture and wouldn't visit them, which is what I think Undertaker was implying with his statement that he can't be racist if he goes to Africa to visit other world leaders (if he did he would be more in line with xenophobia than racism) :P

[dirrty]

He is mildly racist, but it seems to be in good faith rather than immediately belittling another culture on purpose to give a sense of superiority. He seems to do it just to make aware of stereotypes and joke about them, rather than to suggest they're useless and Britain is better.

If he was xenophobic he would have a fear of another culture and wouldn't visit them, which is what I think Undertaker was implying with his statement that he can't be racist if he goes to Africa to visit other world leaders (if he did he would be more in line with xenophobia than racism) :P
"he's mildly racist, but...". lmao i love when people start sentences like that. so him (or anyone for that matter considering it's not like this is a unique/special case) who makes racist jokes/statements do so "to make aware of stereotypes and jokes about them". really? like i mean is that your legit excuse for casual racism? because seriously...(and in regards to your point that they're useless and britain is better, no one has suggested that so i dunno where that's coming from...)
and nevertheless, i personally never said he was xenophobic :S (don't even know where that came from as it's not like i've even changed my stance throughout the past few posts), but just that he's racist (which you even agree with). as i've said in every single post of mine, being racist doesn't mean you're throwing literal **** at a minority or calling them a dirty ******/****; but there are different 'levels'. like, how is this so difficult for people to understand. you agree he's racist, i agree he's racist - that's it, end of discussion. lmao, like there shouldn't of even been a long-drawn discussion over it because it's not like i pulled the statement out of my arse or lied. boo@me for calling someone out on their ****, instead of that initial person being held responsible for their actions (regardless of whether it's minor or major); but instead people making excuses for things that don't even need to be said.

do people seriously just skim over my posts or something because i'm repeating the exact same points, not making outlandish statements and being extremely logical...

[GommeInc]

I was supporting your argument :P He is simply just a tiny bit racist. Undertaker is arguing that he can't be racist if he visits the other countries when you can be, if you didn't you would be xenophobic. It was based on your comment that there are different levels of racism :P He is simply mildly racist, he doesn't go on to attack the culture or belittle it - just stereotype it :)

[dirrty]

I was supporting your argument :P He is simply just a tiny bit racist. Undertaker is arguing that he can't be racist if he visits the other countries when you can be, if you didn't you would be xenophobic. It was based on your comment that there are different levels of racism :P He is simply mildly racist, he doesn't go on to attack the culture or belittle it - just stereotype it :)
oh sorry!! evidently read your post wrong, my bad. i just thought you were another person who was making excuses and was seriously shaking my head (obviously i was wrong).

[-:Undertaker:-]

I was supporting your argument :P He is simply just a tiny bit racist. Undertaker is arguing that he can't be racist if he visits the other countries when you can be, if you didn't you would be xenophobic. It was based on your comment that there are different levels of racism :P He is simply mildly racist, he doesn't go on to attack the culture or belittle it - just stereotype it :)

I haven't argued that, it can be true that if you visit other countries you can be racist - however the Duke with his wealth could easily refuse as he doesn't have to visit these countries, not to mention both he and HM the Qyeen actually seem to enjoy meeting people of different cultures. He says some politically incorrect things in jest, so what? the vast majority absolutely love him for it.


1. The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...
2. Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.

The Duke displays neither of these, therefore he is not a racist.


He is simply mildly racist, he doesn't go on to attack the culture or belittle it - just stereotype it

This to me just show you have the definition totally wrong as so many do, comments (even hateful ones) about culture are nothing to do with racism.

It is the same with multiculturalism, which I oppose - opposing multiculturalism has nothing to do with race yet people who are against it are labelled racist. The correct term for being against race is multiracialism.


bloody hell. the fact of the matter is that you're categorising all forms of racism, into one. that's the only issue here! i never said that he is a blatant racist like those who you've mentioned, and it's only yourself who has been forming those sentences. we as individuals have different 'faces' we hold. how we act in private, and how we act in public are, and can be completely different. our social settings dicate how we act. i don't have a clue how he acts in private (for obvious reasons), but the fact that he (AND OTHERS IN GENERAL TERMS) casually throw racist 'jokes' is significant, and can give small hints to how he (AND OTHERS IN GENERAL) act in private.

and of course they're not both completely comparable (phillip vs. hitler etc.), but once again you're dismissing different levels of racism. that's what everything boils down to!! political correctness shouldn't even come into the equation, as its just plain insulting to even argue that subtle racism comes under that umbrella.

and there's nothing wrong with my logic. you're the one who fails to take note that there are different levels of racism. just because it (or anything for that matter) is subtle, doesn't mean that it's acceptable. someone going up to an asian person and asking if they can see (or whatever remark they desire to say) isn't acceptable in any shape or form. but i guess, if someone said that in a 'joking' way, then it's fine?

hahaha, i'm making myself look absurd? really? lmao, this is all too hilarious.

Yeah it is perfectly fine, its in jest with absolutely no malice. Only a reactionary who takes everything seriously would complain about it or be offended about it. If gay people took offence everytime anything negative was hinted at or joked about homosexuality, they'd never leave the house .. the same applies for people with ginger hair.


and there's nothing wrong with my logic. you're the one who fails to take note that there are different levels of racism.

It is your logic which says that any comments or jokes about race are racism, end of - that is your own logic, not mine.

The fact that you say that he's a racist end of and then hint that his death wouldn't be such a bad thing shows just how nasty you yourself are rather than the Duke.

[dirrty]

i never said "his death wouldn't be such a bad thing", talk about reaching. a 91 year old, who i personally don't have any feelings for doesn't remotely affect me; therefore why would i have any sorts of emotions if he passed away? i've never had any interest in the guy or what he does, so why would it come as a surprise if his passing would be a 'meh' moment? i'm not going to shed a tear if the president of france, my local mayor, or old headteacher passed away because there's no connection between them and myself on any level. i'm indifferent. so yes, that really makes me nasty doesn't it!!! :rolleyes:

and i don't even know why you're trying to prove something. like you're really, really, really trying to disprove that he isn't racist. are you drowning so much in your white privilege that you can't even just simply accept that casual racism isn't completely fine? god forbid an ethnic minority being offended by a racist comment/joke by a white person. i just find it amusing that you believe in the head of yours that you even have the audacity to tell others when and how they're allowed to be offended, and if it doesn't fit into your box, then they're "a reactionary who takes everything seriously". all i can do is just laugh at that really. i already said that i'm not personally offended by him in a previous comment, and i'm not over-reacting to his comments whatsoever, but rather 97% of these posts are towards yours. i've already accepted how he is as a person, and that's fine; i make one simple comment about him being racist and then you act like i just committed treason. if someone was personally offended by his 'jokes' (or other peoples casual racism) then there's nothing wrong with that. they have the right to be offended if they're the butt of the joke, just as much as someone has the right to tell the 'joke'. it's simple as that. there's not sense of being too sensitive, over-reacting or blowing something out of proportion. people should be placing their attention on those who find it acceptable to throw around casual racism in various social settings (and thus criticising them) without expecting any upset, opposed to going at the ethnic minorities at the end of the jokes. but i forgot that they aren't allowed to be offended because someone says that they shouldn't. way to force ones power over another...

oh, i'm sorry racism is oh so easy to simplify into a paragraph or two. it's easy to say things like that when you'll never be on the receiving end of anything like that, and if you 'supposedly' are, then it wouldn't even matter because of all the unearned power you naturally possess within society. seriously, why are you even to try and argue that he's not racist with me? i've already said that he's not a blatant racist, but rather throws casual racism around when he see fits. you can argue all you want about how he's not racist because you don't think he is, or he's not racist and anyone who thinks he is taking everything too seriously. you're not the first person to make up excuses for racism, and won't be the last. i've accepted things like that as i know everyone isn't the same, but its another matter when those excuses are continuously thrown around and acting like it's the person whose offended is the bad guy in the situation.

[-:Undertaker:-]

i never said "his death wouldn't be such a bad thing", talk about reaching. a 91 year old, who i personally don't have any feelings for doesn't remotely affect me; therefore why would i have any sorts of emotions if he passed away? i've never had any interest in the guy or what he does, so why would it come as a surprise if his passing would be a 'meh' moment? i'm not going to shed a tear if the president of france, my local mayor, or old headteacher passed away because there's no connection between them and myself on any level. i'm indifferent. so yes, that really makes me nasty doesn't it!!! :rolleyes:

You oughtn't to play silly, you know and I know you basically implied that because he is, in your clouded eyes, a racist, it wouldn't matter all that much if he hit the bucket. So nasty yet unwilling to stand by those nasty comments which makes you unprincipled as well.


and i don't even know why you're trying to prove something. like you're really, really, really trying to disprove that he isn't racist. are you drowning so much in your white privilege that you can't even just simply accept that casual racism isn't completely fine?

And what privilege would this be? i've been called harsh and crude racist terms before by friends and those in school who I know, because I have dark skin and black hair - so I react like a maniac and crawl into the corner? no, because understand context and can take a joke.

The same for gay comments as well, doesn't bother me in the slightest.


god forbid an ethnic minority being offended by a racist comment/joke by a white person. i just find it amusing that you believe in the head of yours that you even have the audacity to tell others when and how they're allowed to be offended, and if it doesn't fit into your box, then they're "a reactionary who takes everything seriously". all i can do is just laugh at that really. i already said that i'm not personally offended by him in a previous comment, and i'm not over-reacting to his comments whatsoever, but rather 97% of these posts are towards yours. i've already accepted how he is as a person, and that's fine; i make one simple comment about him being racist and then you act like i just committed treason. if someone was personally offended by his 'jokes' (or other peoples casual racism) then there's nothing wrong with that. they have the right to be offended if they're the butt of the joke, just as much as someone has the right to tell the 'joke'. it's simple as that. there's not sense of being too sensitive, over-reacting or blowing something out of proportion. people should be placing their attention on those who find it acceptable to throw around casual racism in various social settings (and thus criticising them) without expecting any upset, opposed to going at the ethnic minorities at the end of the jokes. but i forgot that they aren't allowed to be offended because someone says that they shouldn't. way to force ones power over another...

I'm not arguing about legislation or forcing anybody to do anything, i'm arguing the cultural context with you as you seem to find it very difficult to understand that a) he's a 91 year old who was born in an era without political correctness b) the majority of people find his quips hiliarious because they too are sick of political correctness & c) he's not a 'racist' as he doesn't look down on other races, indeed he's more cultured than you can ever dream to be.

But no, despite all that "omgz no he's a terrible racist and all racizm iz bad."


oh, i'm sorry racism is oh so easy to simplify into a paragraph or two. it's easy to say things like that when you'll never be on the receiving end of anything like that, and if you 'supposedly' are, then it wouldn't even matter because of all the unearned power you naturally possess within society.

I have been on the receiving ends of jokes and I don't class them as racist in the slightest, to be a racist you have to have a view of other races which is negative as explained by the definition.


seriously, why are you even to try and argue that he's not racist with me? i've already said that he's not a blatant racist, but rather throws casual racism around when he see fits. you can argue all you want about how he's not racist because you don't think he is, or he's not racist and anyone who thinks he is taking everything too seriously. you're not the first person to make up excuses for racism, and won't be the last. i've accepted things like that as i know everyone isn't the same, but its another matter when those excuses are continuously thrown around and acting like it's the person whose offended is the bad guy in the situation.

I don't make excuses about racism in the slightest, but going back to me apparently 'drowning so much in your white privilege', well then, perhaps you are drowning in your black pity culture that you seem to seek out so much? .. so much so even in innocent quips from a 91-year old.

Genuine racism (a lesser view of other races) ought to be condemned but un-PC jokes? that's not anti-racism, that's political correctness.

[dirrty]

'genuine racism'? lets not trivialise racism now... and ok, i'm not going to argue with you over this for a 3rd day. it's quite evident that we both have different views (which won't be changing) so there is absolutely so point dragging this out. this shouldn't of even continued over the first day as it's evident that you class the concept of racism completely different to myself (you being white and me being an ethnic minority does dictate how we see things [and no, it doesn't mean the latter is more blinded, deluded, over-sensitive, etc.]). there's nothing about 'black pity' that comes into this equation, as i already said i wasn't personally offended, but rather the blame in any situation like this should be placed on the one whose saying the 'jokes' and not the people at the other end of the joke. and the fact that racism is very, very often disguised in forms of 'jokes' to argue the exact points you're making. i've seen it far too many times and even been on the receiving end numerous times. i'm assuming you'd class someone saying "would you be white if you could?" as a joke/shouldn't take it seriously as they were only 'joking'. or even "your hair is like a sponge/sheeps fur", should i not be offended as it was a 'joke'? context + it being a joke = doesn't equate to no harm or offense being done. racism (or any 'isms', etc.) just isn't as simple as some people assume them to be, especially when it comes to definitions. and there is absolutely nothing malicious about not being moved if someone dies (who i don't know, don't have any interests in or follow). i'm not going to be upset if a random person in the next street died because i just don't know the person. i would, however be more upset if the queen died because i have an interest in her. if that makes me 'unprincipled' then so be it. yet your stance on casual racism is not unprincipled, and more accepting as it's supposedly only a 'joke'?

lets just conclude this here and agree to disagree. we both aren't going to convince the other of anything, and the only thing that'll end up happening is personal insults slowly seeping in (which have already started). i respect your opinions, because they are of your own and i'm not going to be offended by people who have different views, as i expect that to happen and i don't expect to change other people's opinions either. so whether you can do the same or not, is your prerogative. mind you, i did actually find it all quite interesting. but i'm going to assume that you didn't/probably just saw me as a fly you can't get rid of.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I say again only because you have the words totally mixed up, how can it be racism (ignore the casual bit, that doesn't even make sense if you think about it because casual is a contextual word and not a definition) which is a negative view/hatred of a race of people when the Duke has not said anything remotely like that - therefore as he has not said anything racist (according to the definition) then he is not a racist. The only meaning 'casual racism' can be is in a casual context, trying to slur unpolitically correct language by slipping the word casual infront of racist doesn't make whats being said racist. Indeed, the use of the term 'casual racism' seems to me to be an effort to merely stigmatise un-PC language.

Racism - a hatred or negative views of people of a differing race.

Contexts of racism;

Typical standard form of racism - used in a speech, in debate, in argument.

Casual Racism - an offhand remark used passively "those criminal n-word's down the road"

...now that example would be casual racism, because its a negative or hateful remark towards black people but used casually or passively. As I said earlier on time and time again, you're confusing unpolitically correct language regarding races with racism when they're entirely different.

Learn the difference, because otherwise you just demean efforts to combat actual racism.

[Kardan]

The fact is, the Duke has said racist remarks in the past, so you could describe him as a racist. Of course, there are much worse types of racism, but it doesn't detract from the fact that he is racist.

[dirrty]

I say again only because you have the words totally mixed up, how can it be racism (ignore the casual bit, that doesn't even make sense if you think about it because casual is a contextual word and not a definition) which is a negative view/hatred of a race of people when the Duke has not said anything remotely like that - therefore as he has not said anything racist (according to the definition) then he is not a racist. The only meaning 'casual racism' can be is in a casual context, trying to slur unpolitically correct language by slipping the word casual infront of racist doesn't make whats being said racist. Indeed, the use of the term 'casual racism' seems to me to be an effort to merely stigmatise un-PC language.

Racism - a hatred or negative views of people of a differing race.

Contexts of racism;

Typical standard form of racism - used in a speech, in debate, in argument.

Casual Racism - an offhand remark used passively "those criminal n-word's down the road"

...now that example would be casual racism, because its a negative or hateful remark towards black people but used casually or passively. As I said earlier on time and time again, you're confusing unpolitically correct language regarding races with racism when they're entirely different.

Learn the difference, because otherwise you just demean efforts to combat actual racism.
i know the difference. that's why when i have referred to casual racism, i put 'casual racism'. when i say 'racism' that umbrella term includes the various levels of racism that co-exist with each other. and in reference to the bolded green part, that doesn't excuse or mean that it's acceptable. the remarks most definitely aren't needed. you're just trivialising casual racism (even saying that "its a negative or hateful remark towards black people") but dismissing its relevance because it was used in a casual manner. no, it's still racist (as casual racism falls within the arms of the term 'racism', whether you accept that or not).

racism and casual racism can both go hand-in-hand. there's no such thing as 'actual' racism. racism is racism. whether it's blatant, physical, off-hand, suggestive, whatever etc., it's still racism. i don't even know why you're still trying to prove otherwise to myself. i believe i have the right to define racism off the basis of whether an ethnic minority is, or will be offended by certain comments (especially since i am one, and therefore have a different view to yourself because i have, and will be subjected to racist comments throughout my life). i'm just waiting for you to say people are just far too 'sensitive'. i was offended by the examples i gave you in my previous post because they were racist comments; ones which were passed off/disguised as casual racism. you're basically saying that one shouldn't be offended because casual racism 'isn't real racism' (but rather "stigmatising un-PC language"), which is pretty much insulting and excusing the behaviour of those who throw off-remark comments, which underneath the 'casual' exterior is plagued with racist undertones. political correctness or not, comments at the expense of others (who will, and do) find them offensive (and they're finding them offensive because the comments/'jokes' are insulting/degrading to their differences compared to the standardised/ideal look of the west).

you can throw whatever definitions you want, but you can't simply condense a topic so vast into one short sentence as it's far, far too simplified. that is applicable to basically everything. nothing in life is as simple as a short sentence.