Muslims demand breakaway Islamic nation in Norway

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://www.norwaynews.com/en/~view.php?73Ilo32350a4OU448eV7Is388blP65484dDS94c5 8cboyId7644bBjb450rOOOe8


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The Norwegian news portal VG Nett is reporting that a Muslim terrorist group, Ansar al-Sunna’, is threatening that if a section of the nation's capitol isn't transformed into a sharia-complaint Muslim nation, an attack rivaling 9/11 will be launched upon the Scandinavian nation. VG Nett has stated that the Norwegian Police Security Service (Politiets sikkerhetstjeneste - PST) is already familiar with many members of this particular terror group. "If norwegian soldiers can take planes to Afghanistan, then Osama and Mohammed can also take planes to Norway, insha Allah.Now, the government must wake up and assume responsibility, before this war spreads to Norway. Before the counterpart reacts. Before moslems take the step necessary.

Do not confuse the moslems’ silence with weakness. Do not profit from the moslems’ patience. Do not force us to do something that can be avoided. This is not a threat, only the words of truth. The words of justice. A warning that the consequences can be fatal. A warning about a 9/11 on norwegian ground, or larger attacks than the one carried out on 22 july. This is for your own good and in your own best interest.’

We do not want to be a part of norwegian society. And we do not consider it necessary either to move away from Norway, because we were born and grew up here. And Allah’s earth belongs to everybody. But let Grønland become ours. Bar this city quarter and let us control it the way we wish to do it. This is the best for both parts. ''We do not wish to live together with dirty beasts like you."

(examiner)

I can't confirm the news source or the story itself entirely, but it's only a matter of time (if this is false) before scenarios like this become common all across nations in Europe who have allowed multiculturalism. For a nation to be one, it has to have a common culture to bind it together - hence the reason why the United Kingdom and Spain aren't one nation, or Greece and Saudi Arabia. We all know we face this in Great Britain where many areas of London along with Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester are now ghettoised into Somalian, Pakistani, Indian, Nigerian (etc) areas - areas where you'll be lucky to hear anybody speaking in English anymore.

When it does happen as Enoch Powell forecasted all those decades ago if we continue to allow multiculturalism and mass immigration, then what on earth are we going to do?

Thoughts?

[Kardan]

The title of this thread is misleading.

The article says a terrorist group is threatening, whereas you just classify them as "muslims".

[Niall!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JUCfX1P1ik

I can't see this flying with anyone. I don't know Norways particular feelings on the matter of multiculturalism but in Northern Ireland it's a very touchy subject. If it starts being demanded over here I expect violence.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The title of this thread is misleading.

The article says a terrorist group is threatening, whereas you just classify them as "muslims".

"Muslim terrorist group"

Seems to explain it perfectly fine to me and besides, I doubt all wanting to breakaway are 'terrorists' which is a very vague term in itself. We've had calls from muslims in this country who are not 'terrorists' yet who have suggested we introduce a seperate legal system totally alien just for them (Sharia law), as seen here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16522447

[Kardan]

"Muslim terrorist group"

Seems to explain it perfectly fine to me and besides, I doubt all wanting to breakaway are 'terrorists' which is a very vague term in itself. We've had calls from muslims in this country who are not 'terrorists' yet who have suggested we introduce a seperate legal system totally alien just for them (Sharia law), as seen here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16522447

But this article is about the terrorist group in particular, not all muslims. The title should say "Muslim terrorist group", the term "Muslims is too broad".

[santa-my-nana]

Wow just wow, I know near me, Dewsbury/.Ravensthorpe is primarily a muslim town now, I dont have much of a problem against it but there is ongoing rivalry between Dewsbury/Ravensthrope and the other local towns as they are constantly rebelling and asking for the shariah law a long with other stuff and it gets quite annoying and results in violence, It will just keep esculating and esuculating until BANG it will be WW3, it will happen, maybe not in our lifetime, it might be in our lifetime but it will happen its just a matter of time

[-:Undertaker:-]

But this article is about the terrorist group in particular, not all muslims. The title should say "Muslim terrorist group", the term "Muslims is too broad".

A title is supposed to be headline grabbing and short by nature (year 6 English) - to be frank, if anybody needs it explaining that all followers of Islam are not terrorists then i'm surprised they can even read.

To add quickly, I don't believe a Muslim wanting to breakaway is automatically a 'terrorist' even if I disagree with their aims.

[Kardan]

Wow just wow, I know near me, Dewsbury/.Ravensthorpe is primarily a muslim town now, I dont have much of a problem against it but there is ongoing rivalry between Dewsbury/Ravensthrope and the other local towns as they are constantly rebelling and asking for the shariah law a long with other stuff and it gets quite annoying and results in violence, It will just keep esculating and esuculating until BANG it will be WW3, it will happen, maybe not in our lifetime, it might be in our lifetime but it will happen its just a matter of time

Violence because muslims want a legal system introduced for them? Really?

In Leicester there is a huge hindu and muslim population, and there are no such issues. If there ever is any violence between hindus/muslims and any other ethnic groups, it is simply down to racism.

And fair enough Undertaker, I guess it's more of a tabloid headline rather than the broadsheet headline that I'd prefer reading. I just like my headlines to be more accurate.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Violence because muslims want a legal system introduced for them? Really?

Well actually yes, that is what it leads to. When you have people living next to eachother who are completely different, have different cultural attitudes and systems applied then you will get trouble. It is no miracle that Pakistan and India for example became two nations - they both had different cultures, religions and attitudes which resulted in them having to become seperate nations. The trouble in Syria now is based on fault lines between Sunni and Shia muslims for example, two groups who are much more similar than say British people and Somalians.

The United Kingdom, France, Norway and other European nations won't be immune from this.


In Leicester there is a huge hindu and muslim population, and there are no such issues. If there ever is any violence between hindus/muslims and any other ethnic groups, it is simply down to racism.

Wrong, see cultural issues - Pakistanis and Indians are of the same colour yet have been at eachothers throats since the late 1800s, so racism doesn't even come into it in most cases.

[santa-my-nana]

Violence because muslims want a legal system introduced for them? Really?

In Leicester there is a huge hindu and muslim population, and there are no such issues. If there ever is any violence between hindus/muslims and any other ethnic groups, it is simply down to racism.

And fair enough Undertaker, I guess it's more of a tabloid headline rather than the broadsheet headline that I'd prefer reading. I just like my headlines to be more accurate.


Really round here its very bad, heres a couple of examples
http://www.dewsburyreporter.co.uk/news/local/more-local-news/fears-over-gang-violence-on-dewsbury-moor-estate-1-4646239
http://www.thepressnews.co.uk/NewsDetails.asp?id=734


then look at our crime stastistics
http://www.ukcrimestats.com/Neighbourhood/West_Yorkshire_Police/Kirklees_-_Dewsbury_and_Mirfield
Rated as one of the highest crime ratings in the country.

On average there is near to 1000 crimes a month near here and thats a lot for a small village like us

[Kardan]

Really round here its very bad, heres a couple of examples
http://www.dewsburyreporter.co.uk/news/local/more-local-news/fears-over-gang-violence-on-dewsbury-moor-estate-1-4646239
http://www.thepressnews.co.uk/NewsDetails.asp?id=734


then look at our crime stastistics
http://www.ukcrimestats.com/Neighbourhood/West_Yorkshire_Police/Kirklees_-_Dewsbury_and_Mirfield
Rated as one of the highest crime ratings in the country.

On average there is near to 1000 crimes a month near here and thats a lot for a small village like us

In none of those articles does it say they are protesting over new laws etc. It simply looks as two different ethnic groups, not getting along.

If people had any sense they would realise that gang violence which you'd usually associate with teenagers and young adults will not solve anything politically.

And Undertaker, I'm sure you will know that race isn't just based on the colour of their skin. So Pakistanis and Indians can still be racist towards one another.

[santa-my-nana]

In none of those articles does it say they are protesting over new laws etc. It simply looks as two different ethnic groups, not getting along.

If people had any sense they would release that gang violence which you'd usually associate with teenagers and young adults will not solve anything politically.

And Undertaker, I'm sure you will know that race isn't just based on the colour of their skin. So Pakistanis and Indians can still be racist towards one another.

I agree, I can find some to do with the law but frankly its getting late :P

[FlyingJesus]

News just in: everyone white has the same culture and values, and they never disagree with each other over anything. Crime did not exist before multicultural movements

[Kardan]

I've finally come up with an example on why this thread title is misleading.

It's like me posting a thread on a paedophile ring in the news with the headline "White Males sleep with 136 underage children".

Totally misleading. Yes, all the people in the paedophile ring may be white males, but I shouldn't describe them like that.

Then again, I still feel this example doesn't get the point totally across.

[Inseriousity.]

I don't really see how you can say multiculturalism has failed simply because a minority are trying to break away from it when the vast majority can live peacefully side by side and people from both sides are thinking 'what idiots.' Sadly, I can imagine this response will just make Brevik look like a hero to many with his warped extreme ideology and methods.

[GommeInc]

Surely if you want Sharia law you would go and live in a country that openly practices it? It's like wanting to live in a country with a common law or civil law system - you would choose most of Europe (Ci), the UK(Co), America (Co) etc etc in the same way you would choose a country that has a monarchy, dictatorship, deomocracy or even something as simple as weather or economy. I've never understood why some Muslim groups demand Sharia law in a foreign country when they're fleeing a country that is corrupted because of it or for other reasons indirectly linked to it.

Norway have quite a good police force and intelligence as far as I am aware. They won't take this sitting down. Assuming this gets anywhere. It could just be like the BDL, easily ignored and all bark with no bite.

[-:Undertaker:-]

News just in: everyone white has the same culture and values, and they never disagree with each other over anything. Crime did not exist before multicultural movements

Who said white people are exempt from this? quite the opposite as you can see examples (less extreme but still has the power to pull apart nations) of this now with one third of Scottish wanting to declare independence, seperatists in Wales and Cornwall, the Greeks and Germans at eachother throats, the Catalonians in Spain wanting to leave the Kingdom, the northern Italians fed up with the south ... so many examples all throughout history as to what happens when you fail to have or maintain a broad culture.

If Scotland and England (which have a 300-year British culture behind them) are struggling to feel as 'one' and stick together, what chance to Somalian/Indian/Pakistani groups with British stand? absolutely none. If you think it's a good thing importing and then having all these groups pulling nations apart then simply say so, but don't think we are exempt from historical patterns which will flare up.

If the EU project is failing (trying to forcibly unite Christian, European countries) then imagine a concept of uniting the United Kingdom, Norway, Somalia, Pakistan and India - that's what we're engaged in with mass immigration.


I don't really see how you can say multiculturalism has failed simply because a minority are trying to break away from it when the vast majority can live peacefully side by side and people from both sides are thinking 'what idiots.' Sadly, I can imagine this response will just make Brevik look like a hero to many with his warped extreme ideology and methods.

I don't see what a crazed murderer really has to do with a rational debate on multiculturalism and its clear failings - it makes no more sense than me comparing you to left wing mass murderers Fidel Castro or Che Guevara. I don't object to immigration, as long as these people integrate - if they don't want to integrate and want their own legal systems, retain seperare attitudes towards things such as democracy and want to declare independence - then why are they here and why did we allow them in? If you don't want to integrate into this country or wish to radically alter it according to alien values, I do not want you here threatening my country and way of life.

It always makes me laugh at how the left jumps to the defence of multiculturalism when a very big portion of these people who they allow in are very negative (often hateful) towards groups the left pretends to care about - think of women's rights, homosexuals and so on. Would you like to be gay or even a woman living in a muslim area of Bradford for example? of course not.


Surely if you want Sharia law you would go and live in a country that openly practices it? It's like wanting to live in a country with a common law or civil law system - you would choose most of Europe (Ci), the UK(Co), America (Co) etc etc in the same way you would choose a country that has a monarchy, dictatorship, deomocracy or even something as simple as weather or economy. I've never understood why some Muslim groups demand Sharia law in a foreign country when they're fleeing a country that is corrupted because of it or for other reasons indirectly linked to it.

Norway have quite a good police force and intelligence as far as I am aware. They won't take this sitting down. Assuming this gets anywhere. It could just be like the BDL, easily ignored and all bark with no bite.

I couldn't put it better myself, supporters of multiculturalism are usually well off middle class who don't have to live in areas where the English language is rarely spoken, British shops have long been replaced by spice shops and people are walking around in native dress - the politicians of the three main parties are prime examples of this because you would not find one of them living in inner city areas amongst Somalians, Indians or Pakistanis.

It would intimidate me and make me feel uncomfortable living somewhere like that, it makes others feel the same way (the famous example Enoch Powell cited in his speech).

[GirlNextDoor15]

this is absurd. with only 3.4% of population and yet, they demand an islamic nation or else, another 9/11? never islamophobic or saying they're weak etc. but they want too much imo

[Kardan]

this is absurd. with only 3.4% of population and yet, they demand an islamic nation or else, another 9/11? never islamophobic or saying they're weak etc. but they want too much imo

Read the article, it's an islamic terrorist group of about 5,000 people - not the whole muslim population of Norway.

This is why the title of this thread is misleading.