'What...' threads that do not contribute to discussion...

[Kardan]

I know this was brought back up in June, and numerous solutions were brought up, but the conversation just died and nothing was done.

Basically, certain threads on the forum can just be used as post count boosters essentially. The fact is, because they contribute absolutely no discussion value, they should not contribute to post count. Frankly, most spam threads have more discussion value in such threads.

Threads such as 'What are you listening to...', which consists literally of how many different songs can you name and whenever you post in there, you don't actually read what anyone else has put.

'What are you wearing...' which is just 72 pages of the word 'Jeans' or the occassional 'Nothing, LOL'

'What's the last thing you ate/drank', essentially, name as many foods you can.

And the absolutely killer, 'Post your random images'. I mean, really? Some old members might remember my Kristen Bell Appreciation Thread, literally 109 pages of just pictures of Kristen Bell. That was in spam, and at least the images had a theme.

Surely these threads should be moved into a sub forum where post counts don't count? I remember years back there was a discussion exactly like this on all the pointless forum games (Count to 1 million...), and they were put into a post-count-less forum.

The same should be done here, otherwise the amiount of pointless threads that can be created will just be silly, heck, I might aswell bring back TOKBAT.

[Chris]

This comes up time and time again but I don't see them ever being moved to spam. A lot of people who use these thread actually are interested in what other people listen to or watch, so moving them to spam would just allow people to derail the thread. A few months ago we did discuss a new section for these threads but ultimately decided that the threads are fine as they are and that a new section wouldn't stay active enough.

[Kardan]

This comes up time and time again but I don't see them ever being moved to spam. A lot of people who use these thread actually are interested in what other people listen to or watch, so moving them to spam would just allow people to derail the thread. A few months ago we did discuss a new section for these threads but ultimately decided that the threads are fine as they are and that a new section wouldn't stay active enough.

I'm not saying move them to spam, I'm saying create a sub-forum which simply does not increase post count. And how would a new section not be active enough?

[Chris]

I'm not saying move them to spam, I'm saying create a sub-forum which simply does not increase post count. And how would a new section not be active enough?

Yeah thats exactly what we talked about before. There are only a few of these threads around and all of them have been approved to stay in their respective sections. If it was the case that there was loads and loads of them posted all the time then that would perhaps warrant a new section, but at this time there really is no need for one.

Also if this were to happen, the current threads would have to stay in the forums that they are in. I'm sure you can imagine what everyone would say when they notice their post count has decreased quite dramatic. :p

[MKR&*42]

Tbh I think Mods are so quick to jump to "The sub-forum" will not be active enough. I remember a few months ago, a Food and Drink sub-forum was requested and that was denied because it would apparently clog up the forum too much :rolleyes: and it wasn't necessary = yet all the threads about it in Discuss Anything say more than enough about it not being a popular topic.
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Ok back onto the real thing.

What are you wearing should have been removed ages ago. I don't see for the life of me who would care about what clothes someone else is wearing unless that person wanted fashion tips for some reason.
Post any image. Is just silly really, I cannot believe post count is enabled in there.

I really don't see the harm in having another sub-forum for these type of threads with post count disabled. What are you listening to/Post random images/what did you last eat/what did you last buy/what are you wearing/what did you last watch can all immediately go in there to start with and I don't think it'd reduce activity in there at all tbh. I cannot see the harm in a trial run or something similar.

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Oh you brought up post count urgh. People would just have to adjust I suppose. Post count shouldn't really be rewarded for posting in a topic that is open to very little discussion, so it has every right to be removed really and people will simply have to learn that if post count ever was disabled in those threads.

[Kardan]

Yeah thats exactly what we talked about before. There are only a few of these threads around and all of them have been approved to stay in their respective sections. If it was the case that there was loads and loads of them posted all the time then that would perhaps warrant a new section, but at this time there really is no need for one.

Also if this were to happen, the current threads would have to stay in the forums that they are in. I'm sure you can imagine what everyone would say when they notice their post count has decreased quite dramatic. :p

I can see there being some debate for the music thread, but for the random image thread to count towards your post count is just silly really, how can that one be approved? What discussion value does it have?

[Chris]

Tbh I think Mods are so quick to jump to "The sub-forum" will not be active enough. I remember a few months ago, a Food and Drink sub-forum was requested and that was denied because it would apparently clog up the forum too much :rolleyes: and it wasn't necessary = yet all the threads about it in Discuss Anything say more than enough about it not being a popular topic.
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Ok back onto the real thing.

What are you wearing should have been removed ages ago. I don't see for the life of me who would care about what clothes someone else is wearing unless that person wanted fashion tips for some reason.
Post any image. Is just silly really, I cannot believe post count is enabled in there.

I really don't see the harm in having another sub-forum for these type of threads with post count disabled. What are you listening to/Post random images/what did you last eat/what did you last buy/what are you wearing/what did you last watch can all immediately go in there to start with and I don't think it'd reduce activity in there at all tbh. I cannot see the harm in a trial run or something similar.

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Oh you brought up post count urgh. People would just have to adjust I suppose. Post count shouldn't really be rewarded for posting in a topic that is open to very little discussion, so it has every right to be removed really and people will simply have to learn that if post count ever was disabled in those threads.

The problem with the food forum is that it can be active one minute and dead the next. Thats why all good topics are best kept to discuss anything. :P

Honestly I don't know why everyone is so uptight about post count. At the end of the day it is just a number.


I can see there being some debate for the music thread, but for the random image thread to count towards your post count is just silly really, how can that one be approved? What discussion value does it have?

That one I do agree with but forum management agreed with it at the time of creation. :P

[Kardan]

The problem with the food forum is that it can be active one minute and dead the next. Thats why all good topics are best kept to discuss anything. :P

Honestly I don't know why everyone is so uptight about post count. At the end of the day it is just a number.



That one I do agree with but forum management agreed with it at the time of creation. :P

But post count is seen as a status symbol on the forum, hence why post count is accounted for in reputation.

And do forum management realise they can reverse their decisions? The only thread I'd keep is the music thread, only because of the amount of posts made and it would change people's post count drastically.

[MKR&*42]

The problem with the food forum is that it can be active one minute and dead the next. Thats why all good topics are best kept to discuss anything. :P

Honestly I don't know why everyone is so uptight about post count. At the end of the day it is just a number.

I honestly don't believe food and drink goes through "stages" of being active then inactive. I could go through Discuss Anything and count how many threads have been on food and drink and tell you how many have been posted in each month for the past 6 months if you'd like? :P If there is a clear pattern it's dead at one point then active another, I will drop my point about it.

I don't see the huge fuss about people losing post count at all, it is just a number but once you attain certain numbers - (e.g. 20,000) you gain more benefits to your account than previously, and if that was based largely upon someone simply posting an image it just doesn't seem very fair at all. If people did whine about post count being disabled in that thread, I would tell them where to shove it.

[Chris]

But post count is seen as a status symbol on the forum, hence why post count is accounted for in reputation.

And do forum management realise they can reverse their decisions? The only thread I'd keep is the music thread, only because of the amount of posts made and it would change people's post count drastically.

I'm sure Martin is very aware he can change it :P These threads have been there for years (Well the music and tv one has) and aren't doing anyone any harm. As long as we dont have loads of them floating around then I don't see any issues with having the occasional ones at all. If you were to go to another fansite and compare it you would find that the quality of their threads is 10x worse than here.


I honestly don't believe food and drink goes through "stages" of being active then inactive. I could go through Discuss Anything and count how many threads have been on food and drink and tell you how many have been posted in each month for the past 6 months if you'd like? :P If there is a clear pattern it's dead at one point then active another, I will drop my point about it.

Go for it!


I don't see the huge fuss about people losing post count at all, it is just a number but once you attain certain numbers - (e.g. 20,000) you gain more benefits to your account than previously, and if that was based largely upon someone simply posting an image it just doesn't seem very fair at all. If people did whine about post count being disabled in that thread, I would tell them where to shove it.

Well everyone is going to have their opinions on it aren't they? You can't please everybody but you can try and please the majority.

[Kardan]

I'm sure Martin is very aware he can change it :P These threads have been there for years (Well the music and tv one has) and aren't doing anyone any harm. As long as we dont have loads of them floating around then I don't see any issues with having the occasional ones at all. If you were to go to another fansite and compare it you would find that the quality of their threads is 10x worse than here.

There might only be a few threads, but the fact is you only need one to boost post count. I think maybe me and Intersocial should team up, and post alternately on each of the 4 threads I mentioned and show you what we're talking about, I mean, there aren't any rules on posting too much on a thread is there, as long as you don't double post?

[scottish]

But post count is seen as a status symbol on the forum, hence why post count is accounted for in reputation.

And do forum management realise they can reverse their decisions? The only thread I'd keep is the music thread, only because of the amount of posts made and it would change people's post count drastically.

this isn't 2004, no-one gives a **** about post count really lol

Music thread is the one that causes least discussion? lol

[MKR&*42]

I'm sure Martin is very aware he can change it :P These threads have been there for years (Well the music and tv one has) and aren't doing anyone any harm. As long as we dont have loads of them floating around then I don't see any issues with having the occasional ones at all. If you were to go to another fansite and compare it you would find that the quality of their threads is 10x worse than here.



Go for it!



Well everyone is going to have their opinions on it aren't they? You can't please everybody but you can try and please the majority.

You got yourself a deal.


There might only be a few threads, but the fact is you only need one to boost post count. I think maybe me and Intersocial should team up, and post alternately on each of the 4 threads I mentioned and show you what we're talking about, I mean, there aren't any rules on posting too much on a thread is there, as long as you don't double post?

Sure thing. It doesn't count as spam and would certainly boost forum activity eh? ;)

[Chris]

There might only be a few threads, but the fact is you only need one to boost post count. I think maybe me and Intersocial should team up, and post alternately on each of the 4 threads I mentioned and show you what we're talking about, I mean, there aren't any rules on posting too much on a thread is there, as long as you don't double post?

Actually we do make sure that people don't start abusing the threads by posting every time someone else has posted. If you want to be silly about it to prove a point then go ahead, but they will be removed anyway. :P

[Kardan]

this isn't 2004, no-one gives a **** about post count really lol

Music thread is the one that causes least discussion? lol

Personally, I feel people care more about post count now then they used too, heck, we have a top posters thing now...

And I didn't say that the music thread causes the least discussion? I said out of all the ones, that's the only one I'd keep :)

And where in the rules does it say this Chris? What sort of time scale are we talking between alternate posts?

[scottish]

Personally, I feel people care more about post count now then they used too, heck, we have a top posters thing now...

And I didn't say that the music thread causes the least discussion? I said out of all the ones, that's the only one I'd keep :)

And where in the rules does it say this Chris? What sort of time scale are we talking between alternate posts?

Yeah but originally you're arguing your point based on discussion in the 'What' threads... so you'd go against the point in this argument to keep one that has been used the most to boost post count? lol...

[Chris]

Personally, I feel people care more about post count now then they used too, heck, we have a top posters thing now...

And I didn't say that the music thread causes the least discussion? I said out of all the ones, that's the only one I'd keep :)

And where in the rules does it say this Chris? What sort of time scale are we talking between alternate posts?

Not all rules are written, all it takes is a bit of common sense. Sure we could sit here and write rules all day but then people moan that the rules are too strict. :P I think you know how long I'm talking, a reasonable time period between posts would be once every few hours. I post in the music thread a few times a day and I don't think theres anything unreasonable about that.

[Kardan]

Yeah but originally you're arguing your point based on discussion in the 'What' threads... so you'd go against the point in this argument to keep one that has been used the most to boost post count? lol...

No, I would happily get rid of all of them, but the only one that I consider has an argument for staying would be the music thread :) All the others have absolutely no value whatsoever.

And chris, I've already found a page where somebody is posting every 10 minutes, and they haven't been removed :P

It's not all about the post count, it's just that these threads have no value whatsoever.

[scottish]

Every 'post your' has value or it wouldn't be used or open.

Moving every thread apart from the one thats been used the most to boost post count would just be stupid..

and even with the top posters or whatever, (as far as i've seen) no-one really gives a crap about post count.

[Kardan]

Every 'post your' has value or it wouldn't be used or open.

Moving every thread apart from the one thats been used the most to boost post count would just be stupid..

and even with the top posters or whatever, (as far as i've seen) no-one really gives a crap about post count.

What value does 'Post your random image' have, or 'What are you wearing', because I seem to be missing the point of it really...

[Chris]

No, I would happily get rid of all of them, but the only one that I consider has an argument for staying would be the music thread :) All the others have absolutely no value whatsoever.

And chris, I've already found a page where somebody is posting every 10 minutes, and they haven't been removed :P

It's not all about the post count, it's just that these threads have no value whatsoever.

Report them and they will be dealt with!

[santa-my-nana]

Hi, I didn't want to really chime in on this but I agree Post count should not count in those areas, Theres no point me restating what everyone else has said but that it has no discussional value
Chris; You said yourself that you only try to please the majority of the people but how would you know what the majority of people think when you have not asked. How about the moderation/Management team put things to a vote (forum poll) that way you know what people want otherwise it looks as if your getting to be like habbo staff where by your not listening to users.

Enough said
Pennie.

[Kardan]

Report them and they will be dealt with!

Might be here a while, so any posts from the same person that are within a few hours of each other should be reported?

And a poll could be good, although I feel if the poll was in general, it would probably be defeated, but if it was about the image thread in particular, it would be passed with flying colours.

[scottish]

What are you wearing - I've never posted in it or looked at it as it's always seemed creepy, but presumably people could get ideas (assuming people aren't posting like t-shirt, trousers, and actually posting more detail like brands etc)

Post your random image - some people enjoy looking at completely random images (hence the massive success of websites with billions of users globally looking at random images), ideas for background (for example if someone posted a nice picture of the sky, or a busy city with lights from cars going through etc people tend to use images like that as desktop backgrounds), interesting images (like fact images) and so on.

[Chris]

Hi, I didn't want to really chime in on this but I agree Post count should not count in those areas, Theres no point me restating what everyone else has said but that it has no discussional value
Chris; You said yourself that you only try to please the majority of the people but how would you know what the majority of people think when you have not asked. How about the moderation/Management team put things to a vote (forum poll) that way you know what people want otherwise it looks as if your getting to be like habbo staff where by your not listening to users.

Enough said
Pennie.

Well obviously I don't know the majority but based on what people have said every time this issue had been brought up in the past and how long the threads have actually existed, I would say the majority don't have an issue with the threads. :)


Might be here a while, so any posts from the same person that are within a few hours of each other should be reported?

And a poll could be good, although I feel if the poll was in general, it would probably be defeated, but if it was about the image thread in particular, it would be passed with flying colours.

Well dont go over the top. We're not going to start removing peoples posts because they posted more than once within an hour. If its like.

Chris posts
Kardan posts
Chris posts
Scottish posts
Chris posts
Sackrace posts
Chris posts

Etc, etc, then report it!

[Kardan]

What are you wearing - I've never posted in it or looked at it as it's always seemed creepy, but presumably people could get ideas (assuming people aren't posting like t-shirt, trousers, and actually posting more detail like brands etc)

Post your random image - some people enjoy looking at completely random images (hence the massive success of websites with billions of users globally looking at random images), ideas for background (for example if someone posted a nice picture of the sky, or a busy city with lights from cars going through etc people tend to use images like that as desktop backgrounds), interesting images (like fact images) and so on.

People really are just posting 'Jeans and a top' in the wearing thread.

And if they wanted to use the popular websites, shouldn't they use the popular websites? The majority of the images on there aren't the sort of thing I'd see on Tumblr or Instagram anyways.

And chris, you mean consecutive posts is against the rules then? :)

[scottish]

Might be here a while, so any posts from the same person that are within a few hours of each other should be reported?

And a poll could be good, although I feel if the poll was in general, it would probably be defeated, but if it was about the image thread in particular, it would be passed with flying colours.

If people are clearly abusing it then it's fairly obvious, i.e. as you stated if you and interwhatever posted constantly every few seconds/minutes.

The image thread is as useful as the post what you're wearing, post your desktop, post your setup, post what you're listening too, speed test rankings, and so on.

[Kardan]

If people are clearly abusing it then it's fairly obvious, i.e. as you stated if you and interwhatever posted constantly every few seconds/minutes.

The image thread is as useful as the post what you're wearing, post your desktop, post your setup, post what you're listening too, speed test rankings, and so on.

Post your setup is way, way more useful than posting random images. Perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree :)

[Chris]

People really are just posting 'Jeans and a top' in the wearing thread.

And if they wanted to use the popular websites, shouldn't they use the popular websites? The majority of the images on there aren't the sort of thing I'd see on Tumblr or Instagram anyways.

And chris, you mean consecutive posts is against the rules then? :)

Well posting consecutive would be posting without someone posting before you post again..

[Kardan]

I meant alternate :P Frankly, the music thread isn't too bad on this issue...

[Chris]

I meant alternate :P Frankly, the music thread isn't too bad on this issue...

Yes it is if you do it continually. Oh and also, dont go back through the threads purposely looking for people who have done this in the past as I dont think anyone is going to sit here going through and removing them all. If its going to be this much of an issue I'm sure Martin will write up some rules for them.

[Kardan]

So fair enough, I'll concede that the music thread is perfectly fine, I mean, there's not exactly any discussion going on, and most of the time, people have a one word post, but at least it has purpose.

I still struggle to see how 'What you were eating/wearing/random images' has a purpose.

[Chris]

So fair enough, I'll concede that the music thread is perfectly fine, I mean, there's not exactly any discussion going on, and most of the time, people have a one word post, but at least it has purpose.

I still struggle to see how 'What you were eating/wearing/random images' has a purpose.

If you conclude that the music one serves a purpose then how on earth have you decided that the others dont? Anyone would think you want to kill the discussion on the forum.

[Kardan]

If you conclude that the music one serves a purpose then how on earth have you decided that the others dont? Anyone would think you want to kill the discussion on the forum.

There has to be discussion for me to kill it. Please tell me what forms of discussion go on in these threads? At least people candiscover new music in the music thread, but you're telling me nobody has heard of pizza or jeans before?

[MKR&*42]

@Chris (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55895); I hope you're happy.

(1 stickied thread about food in there, can add it to the totals on all of the months if you so wish)

February

6 threads about food/drink > average: 1 every 4.67 days

March

13 threads about food/drink > average: 1 every 2.38 days

April

15 threads about food/drink in total > average: 1 every 2 days

May

9 threads about food/drink in total > average: 1 every 3.44 days

June

6 threads about food/drink in total > average: 1 every 5 days

July

8 threads about food/drink in total > average: 1 every 4 or so days

August (23 days in)

13 threads about food/drink in total > average: 1 every 2.38 days
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In all fairness, it does slow down at 1 point and then pick up again, but it certainly doesn't become "dead" nor a reason to exclude a forum for it. Most of the threads cross over into different months anyway and remain active for more than 5 days at least, so I really don't see an issue here with having it as a subforum.

[Chris]

There has to be discussion for me to kill it. Please tell me what forms of discussion go on in these threads? At least people candiscover new music in the music thread, but you're telling me nobody has heard of pizza or jeans before?

Believe it or not people are interested in things like that! What else do you want us to do with the threads? Move them to spam and have them lose their meaning? Or create a new section for a couple of threads which haven't ever been a problem before.

This is so trivial its unbelievable.


Chris; I hope you're happy.
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In all fairness, it does slow down at 1 point and then pick up again, but it certainly doesn't become "dead" nor a reason to exclude a forum for it. Most of the threads cross over into different months anyway and remain active for more than 3 days at least, so I really don't see an issue here with having it as a subforum.

Oh god you actually did it. LOL

So you think that amount of threads in that many months is enough to warrant a section for? I really dont think so, personally.

Then again you could argue the same for the anime and other entertainment forum, but everytime thats been suggested in the past we get bitten by its inhabitants!

[Kardan]

Believe it or not people are interested in things like that! What else do you want us to do with the threads? Move them to spam and have them lose their meaning? Or create a new section for a couple of threads which haven't ever been a problem before.

This is so trivial its unbelievable.

I agree with you that moving to spam isn't the answer (even though technically it's just spam following a topic) because it wouldn't be against the rules to derail the thread if it was in spam.

I'm pretty sure that nobody actually reads those threads, they just post in them, as can be seen with the lack of quoting going on in the thread. Nobody cares if the person above them in wearing jeans, they just want to post that they are wearing "pjs".

It's not really trivial. Threads that have more discussion value get moved into spam, yet we have a thread where you just post things that have no use.

I might as well create a thread called, "Post a word with 6 letters"

[MKR&*42]

Believe it or not people are interested in things like that! What else do you want us to do with the threads? Move them to spam and have them lose their meaning? Or create a new section for a couple of threads which haven't ever been a problem before.

This is so trivial its unbelievable.



Oh god you actually did it. LOL

So you think that amount of threads in that many months is enough to warrant a section for? I really dont think so, personally.

Then again you could argue the same for the anime and other entertainment forum, but everytime thats been suggested in the past we get bitten by its inhabitants!

I am dedicated to getting a food and drink sub forum :I (God I sound so food obsessed now). Travel and tourism isn't as popular as food and drink would be, anime like you said wouldnt be and I'm sure a handful of others wouldn't be either - I'm not suggesting removing them at all, but I still believe there is room for a food and drink one :I.

I will get you stats of something else, gimme 20 mins.

[Kardan]

I am dedicated to getting a food and drink sub forum :I (God I sound so food obsessed now). Travel and tourism isn't as popular as food and drink would be, anime like you said wouldnt be and I'm sure a handful of others wouldn't be either - I'm not suggesting removing them at all, but I still believe there is room for a food and drink one :I.

I will get you stats of something else, gimme 20 mins.

Why is Anime and Other Entertainment even called that, other than the large Anime General Discussion thread? Most of the threads seems to be about books anyways...

[Chris]

I agree with you that moving to spam isn't the answer (even though technically it's just spam following a topic) because it wouldn't be against the rules to derail the thread if it was in spam.

I'm pretty sure that nobody actually reads those threads, they just post in them, as can be seen with the lack of quoting going on in the thread. Nobody cares if the person above them in wearing jeans, they just want to post that they are wearing "pjs".

It's not really trivial. Threads that have more discussion value get moved into spam, yet we have a thread where you just post things that have no use.

I might as well create a thread called, "Post a word with 6 letters"

I read it. I'm sure many others do too! Honestly this debate could go on forever and we would still be in the same place we are now. The final say will have to come from Martin!


I am dedicated to getting a food and drink sub forum :I (God I sound so food obsessed now). Travel and tourism isn't as popular as food and drink would be, anime like you said wouldnt be and I'm sure a handful of others wouldn't be either - I'm not suggesting removing them at all, but I still believe there is room for a food and drink one :I.

I will get you stats of something else, gimme 20 mins.

Lmao woo more stats.

[Kardan]

I read it. I'm sure many others do too! Honestly this debate could go on forever and we would still be in the same place we are now. The final say will have to come from Martin!



Lmao woo more stats.

To be honest, we could go on forever because we're very biased. I'm against such threads, and you post in all of them quite often, so we need other people to get involved really :)

[Chris]

I think everyones lost interest in this debate. It's a bit of a broken record this one and I can't see anything changing anyway.

[Kardan]

I think everyones lost interest in this debate. It's a bit of a broken record this one and I can't see anything changing anyway.

How can you say people have lost interest when it's being mainly you and me, and scottish and Intersocial have popped in from time to time.

Isn't the point of a discussion forum to discuss? (And not post random images...)

[Chris]

How can you say people have lost interest when it's being mainly you and me, and scottish and Intersocial have popped in from time to time.

Isn't the point of a discussion forum to discuss? (And not post random images...)

Like I said, this thread crops up all the time. I've got nothing more to add though, so lets see if anyone else has anything to say about it.

[Kardan]

Like I said, this thread crops up all the time. I've got nothing more to add though, so lets see if anyone else has anything to say about it.

Yes, and surely the fact that it keeps popping up shows that maybe something should be done? I've been searching for these threads, and each time management post in them, and the thread just stops dead with nothing happening.

[Catchy]

Like Scott said, I don't really see why post count matters anyways. I rarely post in them forums but I do tend to go in and have a nosey so people do actually look at it.

[MKR&*42]

Why is Anime and Other Entertainment even called that, other than the large Anime General Discussion thread? Most of the threads seems to be about books anyways...

And even then, books don't come up that much anymore. 50 shades of grey is one of the most popular book topics in there tbf - I'm glad Ryan (tmod) decided to create a book club thing though, should spark more interest in it.
Chris; there are around 90 (give or take a few) threads in the discuss anything forum which have been there since August 23rd last year to August 23rd this year. If that had been implemented around the same time the Anime sub-forum had (Earliest post i see in there is from july 2004), then by now there would be 735 threads or so in there based purely on the past year. Sure it's not tonnes, but considering that bypasses the thread count for debates, is only 300 or so away from the anime sub forum I don't see how it can be obsolete if anime can stay as well as debates (ofc I'm not demanding you scrap debates).

Would you like me to give you an average for post count whilst I'm at it? And see if that is a more promising figure than thread count for you :P

[Kardan]

Rule A7 of the current forum rules:

Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion.

Surely the threads I've highlighted fall into this?

[Jordan]

Intersocial I really don't see where you are going with all this statistic crap. It's very unlikely a Food & Drink sub forum will come because you want it. People don't want it no more, there isn't as many threads and previous (hence it's removal) and it will bulk up the General section of the forum even more. It's not needed.

About these pointless threads. I really don't see why we don't trial this sub forum for pointless threads to be honest, atleast we've said we've tried. I've always been up for a sub forum trial but it never happens in the end. These feedback threads bore me.

[MKR&*42]

Intersocial I really don't see where you are going with all this statistic crap. It's very unlikely a Food & Drink sub forum will come because you want it. People don't want it no more, there isn't as many threads and previous (hence it's removal) and it will bulk up the General section of the forum even more. It's not needed.

About these pointless threads. I really don't see why we don't trial this sub forum for pointless threads to be honest, atleast we've said we've tried. I've always been up for a sub forum trial but it never happens in the end. These feedback threads bore me.


If people wouldn't have wanted it, then they wouldn't have made the feedback thread ages ago? Sigh. Just going to start to give up.

Do you mods actually alter anything. You refuse to alter these threads, well you've actually agreed to a sub-forum trial which is a good thing I suppose, the filtering got nowhere last night with "c.b.f." and I can't remember the other issue I was going to bring up tbh.

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And oh Kardan; funny thing is, i came across a load of threads in Discuss Anything which were closed for "Only allowing short, limited answers" or something similar :rolleyes:

[Kardan]

If people wouldn't have wanted it, then they wouldn't have made the feedback thread ages ago? Sigh. Just going to start to give up.

Do you mods actually alter anything. You refuse to alter these threads, well you've actually agreed to a sub-forum trial which is a good thing I suppose, the filtering got nowhere last night with "c.b.f." and I can't remember the other issue I was going to bring up tbh.

The super moderators have nothing to do with how the forum is ran.

[Jordan]

Yes we do alter stuff that needs altering. The filter one I was completely confused over and haven't had a problem over. These pointless threads never go anywhere because of the Forum Management/Higher disagreeing in the end. Me and Chris and a few others have always agreed to a trial of a sub forum but it's always turned down. I really think this needs to go ahead to stop these threads coming up in the future.

[MKR&*42]

The super moderators have nothing to do with how the forum is ran.

I should have said forum staff tbh.

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Yes we do alter stuff that needs altering. The filter one I was completely confused over and haven't had a problem over. These pointless threads never go anywhere because of the Forum Management/Higher disagreeing in the end. Me and Chris and a few others have always agreed to a trial of a sub forum but it's always turned down. I really think this needs to go ahead to stop these threads coming up in the future.

If it's Forum Management consistently disagreeing, can I ask why Martin; or was it down to an ex-forum management member?

[Jordan]

I can't remember Martin's opinion on a sub forum but I can try and dig out why scott disagreed to it.

hang on. - effort Martin's replied anyway.

[Chris]

Dont fix what doesn't need fixing is my view. lol

[Jordan]

Dont fix what doesn't need fixing is my view. lol

But some of those threads are a problem :P I think it's a tad clear.

[santa-my-nana]

If you could actually get a forum management to come explain why it keeps getting turned down then that would be great because in the end, cant they see that these will keep coming back up unless they agree to a trial of some sorts

[Kardan]

I think the moral of this story is, dont fix what doesn't need fixing. lol

It's not really the moral of the story, it's just your point of view.

[Martin]

I will reply properly in a bit as I'm doing something right now, however I don't believe I have ever turned down the idea of a subforum for such threads, infact I think I was quite up for the idea in the past however Former Forum Management turned the idea down after discussion.

I don't see any harm in trying it out. The main thing I would not want to do is move such threads to spam, as they would get totally de-railed and would lose their spark. I think some people do find these kind of threads interesting and if they were in spam then it could go off topic quite quickly thus ruining the point of the thread. :P I think there would need to be a seperate sub forum purely to keep things on topic instead of just turning into big spam threads.

[Kardan]

I will reply properly in a bit as I'm doing something right now, however I don't believe I have ever turned down the idea of a subforum for such threads, infact I think I was quite up for the idea in the past however Former Forum Management turned the idea down after discussion.

I don't see any harm in trying it out. The main thing I would not want to do is move such threads to spam, as they would get totally de-railed and would lose their spark. I think some people do find these kind of threads interesting and if they were in spam then it could go off topic quite quickly thus ruining the point of the thread. :P I think there would need to be a seperate sub forum purely to keep things on topic instead of just turning into big spam threads.

This is what I was hoping for :) Surely if it was former management that were opposed, then perhaps progress will be made :)

[MKR&*42]

I will reply properly in a bit as I'm doing something right now, however I don't believe I have ever turned down the idea of a subforum for such threads, infact I think I was quite up for the idea in the past however Former Forum Management turned the idea down after discussion.

I don't see any harm in trying it out. The main thing I would not want to do is move such threads to spam, as they would get totally de-railed and would lose their spark. I think some people do find these kind of threads interesting and if they were in spam then it could go off topic quite quickly thus ruining the point of the thread. :P I think there would need to be a seperate sub forum purely to keep things on topic instead of just turning into big spam threads.

Oh fabulous you do support the idea of a sub-forum :)!

[Martin]

Okay,

Kardan - I hope you don't mind, I have added a poll to this thread to gain a bit more user feedback on this idea before giving it a try.


Everyone else- The proposed idea is that we have a subforum created with post count disabled for threads such as the following:

What are you eating/drinking
What are you wearing
Post a random pic here
etc

and threads which don't really promote discussion but should be kept from spam so that they stay on topic and interesting.


I will see what more people think of this idea first, since not many opinions have been shared in this thread yet, however providing enough people agree I am happy to give it a go.

[Kardan]

Okay,

Kardan - I hope you don't mind, I have added a poll to this thread to gain a bit more user feedback on this idea before giving it a try.


Everyone else- The proposed idea is that we have a subforum created with post count disabled for threads such as the following:

What are you eating/drinking
What are you wearing
Post a random pic here
etc

and threads which don't really promote discussion but should be kept from spam so that they stay on topic and interesting.


I will see what more people think of this idea first, since not many opinions have been shared in this thread yet, however providing enough people agree I am happy to give it a go.

Sure, all good :) Perhaps putting 'POLL:' in the title thread might encourage a view more voters, but other than that, it's all good :)

Also maybe adding a bit more info at the top of my main post, such as the sub forum has post count disabled since these threads don't provide discussion etc. Better than reading my rant really as the first thing on the thread :)

[Martin]

Sure, all good :) Perhaps putting 'POLL:' in the title thread might encourage a view more voters, but other than that, it's all good :)


Sorted :)

I am very much up for gaining as much member feedback as possible before introducing changes, as I want to make sure that a) It's the right thing to do, and b) It's what the majority of the forum members want. At the end of the day its you guys that make the forum what it is and keep it active by posting, and so I think things like this should be decided between everyone really!

I do want to gain a bit more feedback though so if anyone is for/against this then don't be afraid to post! :)

[Kardan]

Sorted :)

I am very much up for gaining as much member feedback as possible before introducing changes, as I want to make sure that a) It's the right thing to do, and b) It's what the majority of the forum members want. At the end of the day its you guys that make the forum what it is and keep it active by posting, and so I think things like this should be decided between everyone really!

I do want to gain a bit more feedback though so if anyone is for/against this then don't be afraid to post! :)

Turns out adding a poll already puts Poll: before, so now it says Poll: POLL:

My bad :P

[FlyingJesus]

Everyone else- The proposed idea is that we have a subforum created with post count disabled for threads such as the following:

What are you eating/drinking
What are you wearing
Post a random pic here
etc

and threads which don't really promote discussion but should be kept from spam so that they stay on topic and interesting.


I will see what more people think of this idea first, since not many opinions have been shared in this thread yet, however providing enough people agree I am happy to give it a go.

Definitely worth doing, it'll still mean that people have to actually answer the thread and not derail it but will cut out the ability to abuse their presence. Then if, as Chris suggested in his first reply, the section is unused and inactive, we know that these threads are only being used to boost post count - if there's a genuine interest in answering inane questions then people will surely continue to do so and the area will thrive, making everyone happy

[scottish]

Okay,

Kardan - I hope you don't mind, I have added a poll to this thread to gain a bit more user feedback on this idea before giving it a try.


Everyone else- The proposed idea is that we have a subforum created with post count disabled for threads such as the following:

What are you eating/drinking
What are you wearing
Post a random pic here
etc

and threads which don't really promote discussion but should be kept from spam so that they stay on topic and interesting.


I will see what more people think of this idea first, since not many opinions have been shared in this thread yet, however providing enough people agree I am happy to give it a go.

If you move those 3 to it then you should move what are you listening to to it as well, as it's doing the exact same as every other thread and not promoting discussion... and also every other post ______ should be moved to it aswell, hxf speed test, setup, etc from tech as well as any others around forum.

[Kardan]

If you move those 3 to it then you should move what are you listening to to it as well, as it's doing the exact same as every other thread and not promoting discussion... and also every other post ______ should be moved to it aswell, hxf speed test, setup, etc from tech as well as any others around forum.

Setup actually has discussion, I mean, how often can you post your setup of your computer? Like, once every 6 months at most? You can't post every 5 minutes like you can do in every other thread.

[Martin]

The voting is closer than I thought it would be really xD If the people that agree/disagree want to make any comments/feedback then that would be great since it would be nice to have a wider discussion on it with more people getting involved! :)

[FlyingJesus]

If the people against it would like to give a reason other than "NO DON'T CHANGE THINGS LOL" or "WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT POST COUNT??!?!!!!!!!!!!!" that would be fab

[scottish]

I don't really care if its moved to another section, but if it is there should be no exceptions, that includes the music thread.

I've voted 'no' purely because threads will decrease in activity if they're moved to another section that doesn't include post count, as post count will give some members the incentive to post in the threads.

If you're not going to move the music thread (one of the most used threads to boost post count) then you definitely shouldn't consider moving other threads imho.

[FlyingJesus]

Does that not then prove the point that people are only using them for post count as opposed to having an actual interest in what colour someone's socks are

And before the generic WELL WHO CARES ABOUT POST COUNT THAT'S SAD!!!, yeah it may be but plenty of people do care, and since you actually get various rewards for posting lots it makes a difference

But yes, what are you listening to etc should all be moved, regardless of it being "historic". If Smiddy's Shack can be destroyed and moved to spam then a thread with no actual conversation whatsoever shouldn't be gaining post counts at all

[Kardan]

Does that not then prove the point that people are only using them for post count as opposed to having an actual interest in what colour someone's socks are

And before the generic WELL WHO CARES ABOUT POST COUNT THAT'S SAD!!!, yeah it may be but plenty of people do care, and since you actually get various rewards for posting lots it makes a difference

But yes, what are you listening to etc should all be moved, regardless of it being "historic". If Smiddy's Shack can be destroyed and moved to spam then a thread with no actual conversation whatsoever shouldn't be gaining post counts at all

Pretty much this. A large majority of spam threads have more discussion value than the threads in question. Surely if people are posting in them just for post count, then they are on the same level as Forum Games, which don't have post count enabled.

[scottish]

Does that not then prove the point that people are only using them for post count as opposed to having an actual interest in what colour someone's socks are

And before the generic WELL WHO CARES ABOUT POST COUNT THAT'S SAD!!!, yeah it may be but plenty of people do care, and since you actually get various rewards for posting lots it makes a difference

But yes, what are you listening to etc should all be moved, regardless of it being "historic". If Smiddy's Shack can be destroyed and moved to spam then a thread with no actual conversation whatsoever shouldn't be gaining post counts at all

Post count is the same reason most people reply to threads in general lol.

Every graphics thread basically, welcome thread/congrats thread (if they still have post count enabled, I remember it was debated in the past)... every post in them is basically for post count.

I don't mind seeing them all removed, but I'd be against it if the music thread isn't (think it was kardan said about this earlier in the thread) as it's basically the most used for post count.

At end of day though, it'd kill the posts and make forum look a tad less active, but thats my opinon :P

[:odey:]

If you want people to post on this forum,
You can't moderate it like Hitler.

[Kardan]

Post count is the same reason most people reply to threads in general lol.

Every graphics thread basically, welcome thread/congrats thread (if they still have post count enabled, I remember it was debated in the past)... every post in them is basically for post count.

I don't mind seeing them all removed, but I'd be against it if the music thread isn't (think it was kardan said about this earlier in the thread) as it's basically the most used for post count.

At end of day though, it'd kill the posts and make forum look a tad less active, but thats my opinon :P

I read somewhere that the welcome/congrats thread has it disabled because of the amount of people that would go through each thread with 'Congrats xx'

I don't see how it would make the forum look less active, it's not as if we're removing the threads.

Also, odev, this isn't about moderation at all.

[GommeInc]

I voted no. They're not a nuisance and are one form of forum activity. Forum posts are not worth anything these days. Sub-forums are a nuisance and in this sort of case they only serve to kill discussion or activity, never promote or solve an actual problem.

[Chris]

It's quite close so far it seems. Theres one day left to vote so anyone who wants to have a say should do so now!

[Chippiewill]

and also every other post ______ should be moved to it aswell, hxf speed test, setup, etc from tech as well as any others around forum.
It's only the ones which don't promote discussion which need moving, Post Your Setup and Desktop both have discussions in them.

[Chris]

Half an hour left to vote!

[GommeInc]

It's only the ones which don't promote discussion which need moving, Post Your Setup and Desktop both have discussions in them.
Most of the posts in those two threads do not include discussions, just people posting images and leaving the thread in the same way as the "PAPOY" thread. If other threads are moved, then so should these as a matter of principle to fulfill some chronic OCD people seem to have over these particular threads.

[Chippiewill]

Most of the posts in those two threads do not include discussions, just people posting images and leaving the thread in the same way as the "PAPOY" thread. If other threads are moved, then so should these as a matter of principle to fulfill some chronic OCD people seem to have over these particular threads.
Actually I'm fine with PAPOY. It's only "listening to" I really have a problem with because there's one post every five pages that's actual discussion, around 3040% of posts in PYSetup and PYDesktop are actual discussion.

[GommeInc]

Actually I'm fine with PAPOY. It's only "listening to" I really have a problem with because there's one post every five pages that's actual discussion, around 3040% of posts in PYSetup and PYDesktop are actual discussion.
Pfft, there are no discussions in those threads. Most of the time it's either "Post a picture" then nothing else, "Post a picture" and one reply to that picture OR "Post a picture" and a small discussion. Those threads are literally there to "post a picture of your desktop/setup", it doesn't say anywhere to discuss the setups or pictures, and as evident, it's rare to get an actual discussion. If anything, it 30.40% discussions, 69.6% no discussion, and that's being generous.

EDIT: Just because there's recently been attempts to create a discussion in the past half an hour does not warrant that those threads are discussion threads.

[Chippiewill]

EDIT: Just because there's recently been attempts to create a discussion in the past half an hour does not warrant that those threads are discussion threads.
Genuinely not deliberate, and previous pages in the threads set a precedent for discussion.

[GommeInc]

Genuinely not deliberate, and previous pages in the threads set a precedent for discussion.
How so? As far as I can tell, the entire thread is filled with posts that are just images of people desktops or setups. Some people reply to the post, and that's the end of that. The last few pages have had minor discussions, but nothing that really contributes to the forum. If people are panicking over the unnecessary use of these threads rather than anything important then these threads deserve equal treatment and should be brushed by the same broom.

Forum activity should be promoted, not swept into some untidy sub-forum in an attempt to make the forum look clean. It's like kicking out everyone in a hospital for the sake of keeping the hospital clean. It becomes unused and unwanted, and no-one wants to go there. Much like the story of this forum in recent years.

EDIT: What about the "Post a picture of your vehicle" thread? That doesn't have any worthwhile discussions. In fact, it runs on the same method as the Setup and Desktop pictures. They're both there for pointless posts and the only reason to keep them is because they're on-topic in the forums they serve (they're still useless in terms of post quality).

That's assuming posts mean anything these days :P Worthwhile awards like MOTM/SMOTM go by quality not quantity, and the badges are forum awards that go ignored and do not hold any value.

[Chris]

The voting has now closed and it seems that the majority want this to be trialled. I can see the point of view from both sides and the only way we're going to get a fair result is by trialling this for a period of time. This will be sorted out soon :)

[-:Undertaker:-]

Forum posts are down so what do we ask for? measures which ensure less forum posts are made!

http://www.swsalestalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ShootingYourselfInTheFoot.jpg

I think people on here forget that this is a teen forum, therefore there will naturally be less users who will make full on posts - those of us who do are generally the older members who should, in theory, have left by now. I prefer longer posts, but if people want to make threads for one word replies then why should it bother me? if I don't like it, I don't have to post now, do I? ... and all of this doesn't mention the moderation nightmare (with the added arguments) that its going to cause, certain one word replies are often needed in threads and then you'll have moderators issuing infractions (or whatever they're called now) and it'll be a whole lot of hassle as GommeInc has pointed out.

Users who don't like one word reply threads, don't post there.
Users who like one word reply threads, post all you like.


And before the generic WELL WHO CARES ABOUT POST COUNT THAT'S SAD!!!, yeah it may be but plenty of people do care, and since you actually get various rewards for posting lots it makes a difference

FlyingJesus has already made clear that he knows these measures that he and others argue for will mean less posts, and as we know - less posts being made mean the forum becoming less active which means in the longer term you'll have fewer members signing up in the first place until you end up with zero posts. As I stated above, I can't think of a worse way to shoot ourselves in the foot.

[MKR&*42]

Hmm. The thing is, I originally voted "yes" to the idea, then a few hours later after voting realised I probably would have voted no. "Discuss Anything" is absolutely with littered with threads of this sort "Your eye colour" "Your wall colour" "Burger king or mcdonalds" etc and it really is going to kill posting in there if all those threads get moved. Discuss Anything will have next to no activity if this sub-forum/section becomes permanent, wow I've gone back on my word.
-:Undertaker:-; Forum posts aren't decreasing anymore I believe? I'm sure Martin; said in a thread somewhere that they were up compared to last year. But yes, adding this sub-forum/section would reduce it too much. Ffs I'm actually annoyed there was only one vote in it now and how I've changed my mind lmao :(

[xxMATTGxx]

Hmm. The thing is, I originally voted "yes" to the idea, then a few hours later after voting realised I probably would have voted no. "Discuss Anything" is absolutely with littered with threads of this sort "Your eye colour" "Your wall colour" "Burger king or mcdonalds" etc and it really is going to kill posting in there if all those threads get moved. Discuss Anything will have next to no activity if this sub-forum/section becomes permanent, wow I've gone back on my word.
-:Undertaker:-; Forum posts aren't decreasing anymore I believe? I'm sure Martin; said in a thread somewhere that they were up compared to last year. But yes, adding this sub-forum/section would reduce it too much. Ffs I'm actually annoyed there was only one vote in it now and how I've changed my mind lmao :(

They are if you compare August 2011 to August 2012 but I also remember we had some problems back then with downtime as the server did it's crazy thing when HxSS was here. Thank god we have Tom now :P

Edit: Oooo 13 vs 13

[MKR&*42]

They are if you compare August 2011 to August 2012 but I also remember we had some problems back then with downtime as the server did it's crazy thing when HxSS was here. Thank god we have Tom now :P

Edit: Oooo 13 vs 13

14 vs 13 now lmao.

Can I switch my vote?

[Sammeth.]

To be fair I only voted to make it uneven, but still Chris has already said it will be trialled so it doesn't make that much of a difference.

Its a bit of a tough one. If the threads encourage posting then that's brilliant. But if the posts in these threads don't actually contribute much worth to the forum, other than giving off a slightly increased total at the end of each month, then is it actually worth it? I think the idea of a subforum isn't something that should be ignored, and a trial of it seems an ideal way to go.

[-:Undertaker:-]

To be fair I only voted to make it uneven, but still Chris has already said it will be trialled so it doesn't make that much of a difference.

Its a bit of a tough one. If the threads encourage posting then that's brilliant. But if the posts in these threads don't actually contribute much worth to the forum, other than giving off a slightly increased total at the end of each month, then is it actually worth it? I think the idea of a subforum isn't something that should be ignored, and a trial of it seems an ideal way to go.

It will indirectly increase better posts to the forum, as when there's more forum activity it means people are more likely to stay on and become engaged in more 'heavy' discussions as they browse. I mean, take smaller Habbo forums over the years and you'll not find as much in-depth discussion or debate (if any at all) as you will find on Habbox Forum - because for every hundred members who enjoy posting tat, you might gain only one member who likes more intellectual/in-depth posts. If you deter the number overall, then ultimately you'll have a negative knock on effect on more in-depth posts/threads.

If the number of members wanting serious/more in-depth discussion is say for example, one in every hundred then obviously the more people overall you attract then you'll attract more people who prefer that style of posting.

[Chris]

Could have sworn the poll ended. :P Okay so the poll ends at 11:10pm tonight, my bad!

[FlyingJesus]

FlyingJesus has already made clear that he knows these measures that he and others argue for will mean less posts

No, they would mean less COUNTED posts. If people genuinely want to post in those topics then they will continue to do so. I'm pretty sure Spam is the most active area by a long way despite posts not counting in there - people post in places that they want to post in

[GommeInc]

14 vs 13 now lmao.

Can I switch my vote?
It's a shame you can't, the threads really aren't as big a problem as people think they are. It's just removing one active part of the forum because apparently posts mean something these days :/

[nvrspk4]

It's a shame you can't, the threads really aren't as big a problem as people think they are. It's just removing one active part of the forum because apparently posts mean something these days :/

Post counts have always meant something to people :P

[GommeInc]

Post counts have always meant something to people :P
Only superficially :P You'll have to make a ton of posts to get any worth while user group benefits (platinum is the only useful level) and you only win MOTM by making good quality posts. There are never any serial spammers in these threads, mainly because the lack of activity these days means you'll have to double post, which people feel uncomfortable with doing. Plus the rule should cover all these threads if the rule was created (yet another pointless rule to go with the few that were removed). If you give liberties out to "Post your setup/desktop/vehicle" threads, then the rule is biased and unconstructive.

[FlyingJesus]

you only win MOTM by making good quality posts. There are never any serial spammers in these threads

lmao what

[GommeInc]

lmao what
Don't tell me there is a MOTM award for posting in "post your..." threads? If that's the problem a simple changing of the award criteria seems easier.

[xxMATTGxx]

Don't tell me there is a MOTM award for posting in "post your..." threads? If that's the problem a simple changing of the award criteria seems easier.

No there isn't :P

[GommeInc]

No there isn't :P
Good :P

Still not sure where this idea that posts hold any actual value comes from. A quick nose at the User Rank system and you'd have to spam like crazy in these threads, and the total post count for some of them doesn't seem to suggest much (if any) abuse of the system. If the ranking system changed with fewer posts between ranks (hundreds, not thousands) then there would be a point - but the concerns seem a bit far stretched.

"Post your vehicle..." has 734 posts which doesn't warrant any concern. You'd need to be just one single user to have made all those posts to gain any abilities, and even then you'd be facing difficulities climbing the rank system

The "Post what you are listening to" thread, which is arguably the main offender, has 24,401 posts and is a thread which is 7 years old and split amongst many, many users. Assuming there have been only 30 users using that thread, that would make roughly 813 posts each. These posts are worthless in climbing the ranking system, especially as 30 wasn't being generous. There are quitely possibly double/treble that who have used that forum, making more or less posts.

If we want to be tedious about the quality and quantity of posts in the forum in general, many people post in the forum and many are ignored (not replied to) so do they really contribute if nobody particularly cares?

It's also assuming people have the time and energy to waste wanting to climb a ranking system which really is the least of today's worldly concerns. Most people would probably get bored if their one goal in life was to climb the Habbox Forum User Rank System :P

[MKR&*42]

It's a shame you can't, the threads really aren't as big a problem as people think they are. It's just removing one active part of the forum because apparently posts mean something these days :/

It's really a dreadful shame I couldn't switch. It would have become 15 vs 15, and I know Chris isn't keen on the idea, so I doubt it would have been implemented if it was 15 vs 15.

[Chris]

I'm not keen on the idea but I couldn't scrap the poll after it was introduced because that would be unfair. Since people want to see the section made, there isn't much choice but to introduce it for a trial period.

[scottish]

I assume every post your etc thread will be moved to this section including music?

[Chris]

I assume every post your etc thread will be moved to this section including music?

Not moved as that will remove everyones post count and I'm sure you can imagine what peoples reaction to that would be :P. The current threads will be copied into the new section and closed.

[Red]

I didn't get to vote or know about the poll ;/ If your going to base drastic decisions on a poll. At least post an announcement and let people know about it? :S

[scottish]

Chris; for some reason isn't letting me quote so

That's pointless, if you're going to move every post your then do it fairly and move everyone regardless of post count (moving threads to a new section to stop people abusing threads for post count, then refusing to move the single thread thats abused most for post count, logic?)..

If you're going to move every thread but that then it's just unfair, and if that's the case I wish to keep my post count from every other thread so wheres the fairness in only music getting to keep theirs just because people have done over 1k posts to boost post count?

Either move everyone fairly, or don't move any... No one thread should get an exception that no other is...

[Kyle]

If you're going to move all the threads based on a 2 vote advantage in a poll that wasn't open long enough then i suggest you hand in your resignation.
Chris; will the posts currently in the threads still count but any posts after the removal won't? idgi

[scottish]

Also, should re-do the poll and actually bring attention to it either by a forced read or an announcement, 30 people voted in this...

[xxMATTGxx]

Also, should re-do the poll and actually bring attention to it either by a forced read or an announcement, 30 people voted in this...

Habbox no longer uses force read threads due to the annoyance of them. Notices/Announcements are fine though.

[Chris]

Alright keep your wigs on! :P We'll extend the poll and make a notice for it so everyone is aware of it. If it turns out to be this close at the end of the extended poll then we will decide.

[FlyingJesus]

It might make sense to make a new poll or at least change the thread title since this still just looks like the feedback discussion that it started as

[scottish]

If it's this close at end of poll or 'yes' wins, then make no exceptions for the music thread.

Also make an announcement and a notification to bring attention to the poll.

[Chris]

If it's this close at end of poll or 'yes' wins, then make no exceptions for the music thread.

Also make an announcement and a notification to bring attention to the poll.

I've just made a notice for it. If it comes out this close at the end then we will decide.

[Red]

This thread looks too long and boring for me to sit through and read so can someone update me. If they are moved what is going to happen to current post counts? I personally don't think any post counts should be removed. I also don't think the music and tv one should be moved but the post an image and the what are you wearing one is a bit pointless though.

[scottish]

Basically from what chris says;

Every post your and so on thread will be moved to the new section which will remove everyones post count from current threads, the only exception being (the most abused thread) post what you're listening to which would be copied across and post count left.

[Red]

well tv and music should be left ;/ and no one should lose post counts...

[mrwoooooooo]

what? why would post what youre listening to be the only exception?

its the only one that people abuse to higher postcount, everything else you get some kind of discussion in

[Jarkie]

Who gives a damn really? I hate it when people moan like this... If you don't like how it is then leave. The past is the past.. Its just like you going up to a shop and saying this Mars bar is overpriced, and the cashier will be like.. who cares, don't like it don't buy it.

No one forces you to read these threads or whatnot. I think this thread is just a way for you to have a nerdy rant over nothing.

[Kardan]

Who gives a damn really? I hate it when people moan like this... If you don't like how it is then leave. The past is the past.. Its just like you going up to a shop and saying this Mars bar is overpriced, and the cashier will be like.. who cares, don't like it don't buy it.

No one forces you to read these threads or whatnot. I think this thread is just a way for you to have a nerdy rant over nothing.

Well, I think that 45% of the forum gives a damn at the moment :P And I don't understand what you mean by 'The past is the past'?

And, many many times people have brought up whats wrong with the forum, it's hardly anything new.

Interesting to see that after the poll has been broadcast, the No votes have quickly piled up and many people are concerned about losing their post count, which surely shows that post count is important to some people :)

[lawrawrrr]

oh god if it's going to lower post count i want to change my vote now!!

[dbgtz]

I don't see why this would need it's own forum, it basically is just spam. Well it's more like spam than 95% of posts in spam.

[Kardan]

I don't see why this would need it's own forum, it basically is just spam. Well it's more like spam than 95% of posts in spam.

Because putting it in spam would give people the right to derail the thread, but I totally agree, these threads are more spam than the spam forum.

[edible]

I don't see the issue. Why is everyone so wound up about post-counts? If people want to use these threads to higher their post count then so be it. If post count is important, which this thread testifies for, then having a high post count will make some users feel more important. If users feel important and feel as if they're an integral part of the forum then it should be encourage as opposed to discouraged.

[scottish]

enable post count in spam just to troll everyone tbh

[Kardan]

enable post count in spam just to troll everyone tbh

I wouldn't be against this if this poll failed, I mean, you either make post count mean something, or nothing - not somewhere inbetween :P

[GommeInc]

Yay, more 'No' votes :D Where the hell did they come from!?

[Kardan]

Yay, more 'No' votes :D Where the hell did they come from!?

All the people that spend their time in the threads concerned found the poll because it got advertised :P

I wish all the 'No' voters would comment so I could understand why they picked No :P

[nvrspk4]

GommeInc edible and all the others who asked why does post count matter, there are more than enough posts in here to show it does to some people. I started quoting them but then I got lazy. Just saying.

Also many of the people who are saying why bother care about post count. Whether that means that it should be changed, I don't know, but even though I could give two..errr...about post count its not true for every member of the forum, which is why it matters to discuss. I also think the mentality that "nobody should lose post count" is quite interesting. It's the same as "nobody should have good rep removed" and "if ranks are adjusted nobody should go down".

I wonder what the poll outcome would have been if "Don't care" was an option. I think the thread was originally intended for those who did care to vote but that may have changed after it was advertised :)

[-:Undertaker:-]

No, they would mean less COUNTED posts. If people genuinely want to post in those topics then they will continue to do so. I'm pretty sure Spam is the most active area by a long way despite posts not counting in there - people post in places that they want to post in

Indeed, but we know that having your post count rise is an incentive for people to post - and it works. Even i'm not exactly bothered about post count yet I know myself that if the post is counted i'm just more likely to post.


I wonder what the poll outcome would have been if "Don't care" was an option. I think the thread was originally intended for those who did care to vote but that may have changed after it was advertised :)

..that would just skew the poll results (just ask Alex Salmond for advice on that!), a simple yes/no to a proposal is always sufficent. Those that truly 'dont care' shouldn't have voted (and indeed probably havent, but there's no way of measuring that - not that it needs measuring anyway).

[GommeInc]

GommeInc edible and all the others who asked why does post count matter, there are more than enough posts in here to show it does to some people. I started quoting them but then I got lazy. Just saying.
Oh indeed people do care about post counts, but when you measure up the number of posts in those threads to how much posts are really worth in the User Rank system and any awards, you realise just how worthless they really are. 24,600 approx. posts in the Music thread isn't that impressive when you realise 7 years is a long time and the number of users who have probably used that thread. With the current ranking system, it would take ages to collect the right number of posts - and that's assuming there are people out there with the life long ambition to post like crazy on Habbox Forum.

It all seems over-exaggerated on here that posts apparently mean something these days.

[Charz777]

I don't see what the big deal is? Does post count really matter?

Sure you can say people have thousands of posts counting to a million or what they're wearing or something like that, but why does it matter? People use the forum for their own reasons and if they want to play forum games (if that is what counting and things like that are 'called') then that's up to them :P

So whether someone has 10 posts or 10,000 the number of posts doesn't make the user any better.

I think, that as long as people are being nice and respectful in their posts, then if they want to count to a million, then that's fine.

You shouldn't be worried that people are getting a higher post count than you because they use the forum differently to you.

I don't see what the big deal is over a number?

[Kardan]

I'm guessing that management won't do anything about this because of the poll results, despite a significant amount of people thinking it's an issue?

[Chris]

Yeah, this isn't going to be introduced.

[FlyingJesus]

-:Undertaker:-, :odey:, Aguero, Baloo, BamitsElfie!, Biscuitss, Char, Charz777, Chris, CJay2166, davecool656, dbgtz, Elegance, EricYong!, Fustraton, Garriet, GommeInc, Habbic, Hiding, Hulk, iLogan, jackass, Jarkie, Judge Judy, Kikali31, Kyle, LuciieOx, Mark, McDonalds, Pipette, Red, Remora, runeaddict99, Samanfa, Sammy, Seikou, Shar, Sharon, Skynus, Swearwolf, The Don, Umbrella-, Volunteer, Zak

Bolded those casting "no" votes who would stand to lose over 100 posts in the main offending threads if this happened - over 500 posts for Chris, all of which I'm sure are contributing to active discussion

[scottish]

I'd lose over 100 posts in which threads exactly?

Only thread I recall posting in is the post any images thread, other than that maybe Post your setup/desktop very few times or years ago.

[FlyingJesus]

I didn't look through post your setup because people said that it did actually make discussion happen, but nonetheless I apologise as I now count you as a paltry 99 :P 89 in post any image (which is frankly by far and large the MOST pointless of all these threads let's face it) 4 in last thing you watch and 6 in the old music thread

[scottish]

Promotes as much discussion as Post what you're listening to or what you're wearing.

[FlyingJesus]

Kinda the point

[scottish]

Then it isn't by far the most pointless if it promotes same level of discussion ;)

[Kardan]

Post random image promotes no discussion, neither does What you are wearing.

What you are listening to provides very small pockets of discussion everynow and again, mainly because the thread is so large.

Stuff like 'Post your Minecraft builds', and 'Post your setup' have tons of discussion in, mainly because these threads have unique posts, somebody doesn't change their computer setup five times a day, whereas people do post 'One Direction' or 'T-Shirt and Jeans' every other day.

Also, Chris, have Forum Management discussed the decision not to go ahead with it, or have you just posted that from the poll results?

[Chris]

What is there to discuss? The poll was set up so that members could decide, yet you're still not satisfied?

[Kardan]

What is there to discuss? The poll was set up so that members could decide, yet you're still not satisfied?

I just think it's slightly biased if you have the final say on it, when other management said earlier that they were for the idea, and you're infact the person on the forum with the most posts in the threads mentioned.

I simply asked earlier if nothing was going to be done about it, and fair enough if it isn't because of the poll, I just think management as a whole should make the final decision together rather than someone making the decision on their own who has been against it all along, it's just a bit biased if I'm honest.

[David]

I just think it's slightly biased if you have the final say on it, when other management said earlier that they were for the idea, and you're infact the person on the forum with the most posts in the threads mentioned.

I simply asked earlier if nothing was going to be done about it, and fair enough if it isn't because of the poll, I just think management as a whole should make the final decision together rather than someone making the decision on their own who has been against it all along, it's just a bit biased if I'm honest.

he didnt make the decision, the poll did..

[Kardan]

he didnt make the decision, the poll did..

True, but polls are just for feedback and don't always mean a final decision.

[FlyingJesus]

Habbox does have a long history of democracy after all right

[Kardan]

Habbox does have a long history of democracy after all right

The next course of action is to enable post count across the whole forum and get it passed by winning on a one vote margin ;)

[David]

The next course of action is to enable post count across the whole forum and get it passed by winning on a one vote margin ;)

make a thread ;)

[scottish]

If the poll had the opposite outcome and they decided against the majority vote and leave it as it is you would be complaining that they're ignoring the poll results :P

[Kardan]

make a thread ;)

Depends if there's suddenly a new rule of 'Whatever the poll says is the final decision' :P


If the poll had the opposite outcome and they decided against the majority vote and leave it as it is you would be complaining that they're ignoring the poll results :P

Yup, but I'm not arguing the result of the poll, it's been clearly defeated, I was just wondering if management had had a discussion over the poll results, and the obvious answer is no :P

Personally I would have preferred a bit more feedback than just 'This won't be happening'.

[Chris]

I just think it's slightly biased if you have the final say on it, when other management said earlier that they were for the idea, and you're infact the person on the forum with the most posts in the threads mentioned.

I simply asked earlier if nothing was going to be done about it, and fair enough if it isn't because of the poll, I just think management as a whole should make the final decision together rather than someone making the decision on their own who has been against it all along, it's just a bit biased if I'm honest.

No previous forum managers were entirely for the idea, it has always been rejected.

[Kardan]

No previous forum managers were entirely for the idea, it has always been rejected.

I was talking about current forum management, not previous forum managers.

[Chris]

It isn't going to be introduced regardless. We had a poll and the poll said no. Had the poll have said yes then it would have been introduced.

[FlyingJesus]

No previous forum managers were entirely for the idea, it has always been rejected.

Only with regards to the music thread, because for some reason "IT'S AN INSTITUTION!!!" was always deemed a good enough excuse to not make the change while completely stripping the VIP subforum section despite it having been (in its time) a hub of strong activity and community. Frankly the reasoning is exactly the same as when we got the post count from forum games removed all that time ago, and it's still relevant:


all you see is a few words per post, which don't contribute anything to the forum except for the fact that they allow other people to reply again and raise their post counts more. In terms of how useful or how relevant any of it is, it's less so than the spam forum or the VIP subforums, and yet people are still able to pump up their post counts simply by hanging around in that dungeon of a category.

edit:

It isn't going to be introduced regardless. We had a poll and the poll said no. Had the poll have said yes then it would have been introduced.

I know you're new to the job but since you mentioned previous forum managers before I assume that you have some idea of the history of the role, so not sure why you're suddenly suggesting that poll results dictate the way in which the forum works

[Kardan]

It isn't going to be introduced regardless. We had a poll and the poll said no. Had the poll have said yes then it would have been introduced.

So at the end of the day, whatever the poll says is final?

That's fair enough! :)

If you can't beat them, join them ;) Time to start the campaign for spam to have post count enabled...

[edible]

So at the end of the day, whatever the poll says is final?

That's fair enough! :)

If you can't beat them, join them ;) Time to start the campaign for spam to have post count enabled...

You really care about post count too much. I encountered you in the other thread and realised you struggle to comprehend you're not always right. People have different opinions to you. It's a good quality, albeit difficult, to accept them.

[Kardan]

You really care about post count too much. I encountered you in the other thread and realised you struggle to realise you're not always right. People have different opinions to you. It's a life lesson to accept them.

I'm not always right, like obviously in this thread :) But perhaps you should realise that people can have different opinions, and mine (along with 45% of the forum) is that post count does mean something :)

If people care about post count too much, then we should just get rid of it and enable it across the forum then.

[edible]

I'm not always right, like obviously in this thread :) But perhaps you should realise that people can have different opinions, and mine (along with 45% of the forum) is that post count does mean something :)

If people care about post count too much, then we should just get rid of it and enable it across the forum then.

No, you should let people do as they please providing it's within the forum rules and accept that people might want to obtain a higher post count. For example, if you ever played console games there could be hidden levels that allowed you to progress quicker. I see that the same as I see post count. One of the ways to work your way up on here is to have a higher post count. If there's an easier way to get your posts up, people are going to take advantage.

Maybe you should take another look and argue whether it's wrong or right that post count helps you promote up the user ranks.

[Kardan]

No, you should let people do as they please providing it's within the forum rules and accept that people might want to obtain a higher post count. For example, if you ever played console games there could be hidden levels that allowed you to progress quicker. I see that the same as I see post count. One of the ways to work your way up on here is to have a higher post count. If there's an easier way to get your posts up, people are going to take advantage.

Maybe you should take another look and argue whether it's wrong or right that post count helps you promote up the user ranks.

But it's not within the forum rules, that was the main point of this thread. It's against the rules to create posts that consist of a few words and do not contribute to discussion.

But you do have a good point, but I'm afraid many people will argue how you advance user groups and also rep power without post count.

[FlyingJesus]

providing it's within the forum rules

A7. Do not post pointlessly ~ ~ Do not post off-topic ~ An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic or any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.
~ Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are (ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!); (BYRDSB +HKK; ) (I am a plane)
~ Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion.

These threads very clearly come under that last heading, as therefore do all of the replies within them

[Kardan]

A7. Do not post pointlessly ~ ~ Do not post off-topic ~ An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic or any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.
~ Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are (ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!); (BYRDSB +HKK; ) (I am a plane)
~ Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion.

These threads very clearly come under that last heading, as therefore do all of the replies within them

I wonder what would happen if we reported the threads saying they are breaking rule A7 - surely the moderators in that section would have to close them?

[edible]

But it's not within the forum rules, that was the main point of this thread. It's against the rules to create posts that consist of a few words and do not contribute to discussion.

But you do have a good point, but I'm afraid many people will argue how you advance user groups and also rep power without post count.



A7. Do not post pointlessly ~ ~ Do not post off-topic ~ An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic or any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.
~ Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are (ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!); (BYRDSB +HKK; ) (I am a plane)
~ Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion.

These threads very clearly come under that last heading, as therefore do all of the replies within them

Active discussion is a discussion that is active. These discussions are active. Maybe it could be rehashed to promote clarity. However, unless there is a 17 page thread based on 5 words I would suggest there is a deeper issue here(!)

[Kardan]

Active discussion is a discussion that is active. These discussions are active. Maybe it could be rehashed to promote clarity. However, unless there is a 17 page thread based on 5 words I would suggest there is a deeper issue here(!)

There is no discussion value in these threads, this is what is meant by active discussion. Also many many posts are indeed one or two word answers.

[edible]

There is no discussion value in these threads, this is what is meant by active discussion. Also many many posts are indeed one or two word answers.

Now you're reading the rules in a way which suits your argument. In my opinion, an active discussion is an active thread with posts that reply to the OP.

[Chris]

Only with regards to the music thread, because for some reason "IT'S AN INSTITUTION!!!" was always deemed a good enough excuse to not make the change while completely stripping the VIP subforum section despite it having been (in its time) a hub of strong activity and community. Frankly the reasoning is exactly the same as when we got the post count from forum games removed all that time ago, and it's still relevant:



edit:


I know you're new to the job but since you mentioned previous forum managers before I assume that you have some idea of the history of the role, so not sure why you're suddenly suggesting that poll results dictate the way in which the forum works

The poll isn't dictating anything. I could have said no immediately but instead there was a poll which allowed everyone to vote fairly. It's not being introduced.

[Kardan]

Now you're reading the rules in a way which suits your argument. In my opinion, an active discussion is an active thread with posts that reply to the OP.

True, but I could say you're doing the same :P This does need clarifying then, but surely you are saying every thread is an active discussion just because it is active. I'm saying for it to be clarified as 'active discussion' it must be active, and there must be discussion :P

[edible]

True, but I could say you're doing the same :P This does need clarifying then, but surely you are saying every thread is an active discussion just because it is active. I'm saying for it to be clarified as 'active discussion' it must be active, and there must be discussion :P
Disagree because the rule also states that it has to have relevance to the OP or proceeding posts. If it was just a case of it being active you could have a thread title "Thread to test the Z key" with everyone replying ZZZZZ or something similar :P

[Kardan]

Disagree because the rule also states that it has to have relevance to the OP or proceeding posts. If it was just a case of it being active you could have a thread title "Thread to test the Z key" with everyone replying ZZZZZ or something similar :P

Well, the rules needs clarifying. The 'active discussion' maybe be down to interpretation, but the "which only allow for short, one or two word answers" isn't down to interpretation, and the threads mentioned do break this rule.

[FlyingJesus]

In my opinion, an active discussion is an active thread with posts that reply to the OP.

If that were the generally accepted view then this wouldn't be an issue, but considering some of the edits I've had in the past (mostly from Chris, oddly!) that isn't how the forum is currently run. If we can get confirmation from management that this is the newly-accepted definition of "discussion" on HxF then I guess the issue is closed, but personally I see it as problematic considering how pointless an OP can be and how much more interesting a new tangent of discussion can become within a thread, which would be rendered pointless by your definition as it wouldn't relate to the OP :P

[edible]

If that were the generally accepted view then this wouldn't be an issue, but considering some of the edits I've had in the past (mostly from Chris, oddly!) that isn't how the forum is currently run. If we can get confirmation from management that this is the newly-accepted definition of "discussion" on HxF then I guess the issue is closed, but personally I see it as problematic considering how pointless an OP can be and how much more interesting a new tangent of discussion can become within a thread, which would be rendered pointless by your definition as it wouldn't relate to the OP :P

I was just concentrating on two words of the rule you posted in here. The rule also clarifies that it's perfectly acceptable for a new tangent of discussion to be born in an existing thread. Of course, if the OP is pointless then the thread will be closed, as was discussed with Kardan in the preceding posts.

[-:Undertaker:-]

What is there to discuss? The poll was set up so that members could decide, yet you're still not satisfied?

Indeed, personally I never thought there was a need in the first place - why some forum members should be allowed to dictate to other forum members what types of threads are suitable and not suitable is beyond me. I'd perhaps understand if they had to read every thread posted on the forum, but they don't have to click on the threads (as I often choose to do) so what is the problem.

The progress Habbox has made in abolishing rules and giving users more freedom from rules over the past few years has been an excellent thing, long may it continue with meddling proposals such as this being defeated.


I just think it's slightly biased if you have the final say on it, when other management said earlier that they were for the idea, and you're infact the person on the forum with the most posts in the threads mentioned.

I simply asked earlier if nothing was going to be done about it, and fair enough if it isn't because of the poll, I just think management as a whole should make the final decision together rather than someone making the decision on their own who has been against it all along, it's just a bit biased if I'm honest.

It looks like Kardan is 'going EU' on us all after the poll rejected his idea, urging forum management to ignore the wishes of the majority who turned against this idea when it was properly examined.

Even if you had secured a majority I don't think you or others are justified in determining what is a suitable post or not.


If you can't beat them, join them Time to start the campaign for spam to have post count enabled...

I'd 100% back that.

[nvrspk4]

I still think that a lot of those who don't care either way probably voted no :P

Perhaps a compromise would be a moratorium on new ones while not removing the post count from old ones? Or forcing all new ones to be posted in these subforums.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I still think that a lot of those who don't care either way probably voted no :P

Perhaps a compromise would be a moratorium on new ones while not removing the post count from old ones? Or forcing all new ones to be posted in these subforums.

But then I could make an equally baseless claim and say that most of the people voting yes also don't care either way that much.

[Kardan]

Indeed, personally I never thought there was a need in the first place - why some forum members should be allowed to dictate to other forum members what types of threads are suitable and not suitable is beyond me. I'd perhaps understand if they had to read every thread posted on the forum, but they don't have to click on the threads (as I often choose to do) so what is the problem.

The progress Habbox has made in abolishing rules and giving users more freedom from rules over the past few years has been an excellent thing, long may it continue with meddling proposals such as this being defeated.



It looks like Kardan is 'going EU' on us all after the poll rejected his idea, urging forum management to ignore the wishes of the majority who turned against this idea when it was properly examined.

Even if you had secured a majority I don't think you or others are justified in determining what is a suitable post or not.



I'd 100% back that.

As I said in my post you quoted, I'm not urging them to go against the poll results, I can see it's been defeated, it's just I would have liked a discussion on the poll results, rather than just one member of management taking it upon themselves - but that's just personal preference, it wouldn't change anything so it doesn't matter :)

And as for enabling post count in spam, even if a poll reached a majority, I think management would overrule it.

[xxMATTGxx]

If there was an option which was either: I don't care or don't mind then I would have probably chose that. To me it doesn't matter If they were all moved to a sub-forum or just left as they are. The problem about this is that there will always be different views from different users and while some people think the threads should be moved to a sub-forum and then there's others who think they should remain.

Maybe a lot of people did in fact vote no because they have a lot of posts in them threads and that means they would lose quite a lot of post count. Although that could have been some what stopped by closing those threads in those sections and then creating a sub-forum for any future threads that are like these. Going against the poll when the majority have won would have probably caused people to have a go at management for doing that. It's not like Chris has come into this thread and said: No straight away. Members of this forum was given a poll and the vote that won was no. So therefore he has listened to the users in terms of that.


In terms of turning on post count in spam that will always be a no for quite some time regardless of what the poll will say.

[The Don]

Lol, what do you mean "rather than just one member of management taking it upon themselves" Chris gave a poll which as you've pointed out was defeated. It's not as if the poll had a yes majority and Chris went against it. No need to start kicking and screaming because you haven't gotten your own way.

As I said in my post you quoted, I'm not urging them to go against the poll results, I can see it's been defeated, it's just I would have liked a discussion on the poll results, rather than just one member of management taking it upon themselves - but that's just personal preference, it wouldn't change anything so it doesn't matter :)

And as for enabling post count in spam, even if a poll reached a majority, I think management would overrule it.

[Kardan]

Lol, what do you mean "rather than just one member of management taking it upon themselves" Chris gave a poll which as you've pointed out was defeated. It's not as if the poll had a yes majority and Chris went against it. No need to start kicking and screaming because you haven't gotten your own way.

Are people even reading my posts? :P I know it's been defeated and I'm not asking that they go against the poll, I just would have preferred if management had looked at the thread and discussed it after the poll had finished, but they hadn't :P And it's not as if that really matters, it's just a personal preference as I said before :P

[xxMATTGxx]

Are people even reading my posts? :P I know it's been defeated and I'm not asking that they go against the poll, I just would have preferred if management had looked at the thread and discussed it after the poll had finished, but they hadn't :P And it's not as if that really matters, it's just a personal preference as I said before :P

What else is there to discuss though? Surely its all been said in the previous pages and then users decided what they wanted via the poll.

[Kardan]

The voting has now closed and it seems that the majority want this to be trialled. I can see the point of view from both sides and the only way we're going to get a fair result is by trialling this for a period of time. This will be sorted out soon :)

Not to keep banging on, but what happened to this?

From what I can tell, the poll won, but then people disagreed with it winning, so it was re-opened and the poll closed? :P

How come the poll re-opened?

[xxMATTGxx]

Not to keep banging on, but what happened to this?

From what I can tell, the poll won, but then people disagreed with it winning, so it was re-opened and the poll closed? :P

How come the poll re-opened?

People asked for it. It was after confusion on what the options actually meant and then they asked for a re-poll and for it to be open longer - It's on the early pages of the thread.

[Kardan]

People asked for it. It was after confusion on what the options actually meant and then they asked for a re-poll and for it to be open longer - It's on the early pages of the thread.

Fair enough, I'll make sure if my poll option isn't winning in the future I'll ask for a poll extension ;) Anyways, I'm not too bothered about the trial now :)

How do these threads fit with rule A7 though? Is that rule going to be changed?

[scottish]

At beginning the poll was only seen by those looking at feedback, no notification/announcement etc on the poll which something like this should be brought to attention of every user, so as majority of the forum got absolutely no vote in the poll it's only fair it was re-opened and a notification went up.

[Kardan]

At beginning the poll was only seen by those looking at feedback, no notification/announcement etc on the poll which something like this should be brought to attention of every user, so as majority of the forum got absolutely no vote in the poll it's only fair it was re-opened and a notification went up.

I could argue that the majority of the forum still have had no vote seeing as there's only been 78 votes :P But I'm not bothered about the poll anymore :P

I'd like clarification on where these threads stand on rule A7 though, that's my only issue with these threads now, after that's clear this thread can be closed :P

[scottish]

They've always been the exception of that rule, as they have to be allowed by management typically, as if you make a post _______ thread they usually get closed due to that rule.

So for clarification just take them as the exception ;)

[Kardan]

They've always been the exception of that rule, as they have to be allowed by management typically, as if you make a post _______ thread they usually get closed due to that rule.

So for clarification just take them as the exception ;)

So the rules don't always apply?

Not really a rule then is it :P I see that the random image thread was "approved", how do we know if the others are "approved"? Obviously the music thread was in place long before this rule was around...

[scottish]

So the rules don't always apply?

Not really a rule then is it :P I see that the random image thread was "approved", how do we know if the others are "approved"? Obviously the music thread was in place long before this rule was around...

Ofc it's a rule

Theres a very very very rare exception to the rule and that is the threads that are approved by management.

If management didn't approve of them then they'd be closed, a while back there was a bunch of 'post _____' threads and like 10 of them or something were closed (think it was about time of the post challenge)

[Kardan]

Ofc it's a rule

Theres a very very very rare exception to the rule and that is the threads that are approved by management.

If management didn't approve of them then they'd be closed, a while back there was a bunch of 'post _____' threads and like 10 of them or something were closed (think it was about time of the post challenge)

So that means these threads aren't actually 'approved', but simply closed if management disagree with them after they've been created?

And I wouldn't call it a very rare exception, infact I don't ever recall seeing a thread be closed because it only allows short replies.

So basically, management decide if they like the thread or not and enact the rule accordingly?

[scottish]

So that means these threads aren't actually 'approved', but simply closed if management disagree with them after they've been created?

And I wouldn't call it a very rare exception, infact I don't ever recall seeing a thread be closed because it only allows short replies.

So basically, management decide if they like the thread or not and enact the rule accordingly?

From what I'm aware, if you create any 'post ___' threads they will be closed unless you PM management asking if its possible to create the thread (the way I got post your images thread made).

Because people know not to create a thread out of spam that encourages 1 word replies, if you were about during the post challenge you would of seen this rule in action... a lot.

They'll decide if its useful or serves a purpose I'd imagine and then have a chat and come to a decision whether to allow it or not

[Kardan]

From what I'm aware, if you create any 'post ___' threads they will be closed unless you PM management asking if its possible to create the thread (the way I got post your images thread made).

Because people know not to create a thread out of spam that encourages 1 word replies, if you were about during the post challenge you would of seen this rule in action... a lot.

They'll decide if its useful or serves a purpose I'd imagine and then have a chat and come to a decision whether to allow it or not

Fair enough, but how come every other 'What...' thread other than images aren't created by management? I'm guessing that they didn't close threads back then?

Be nice if management could clarify this really.

[scottish]

Fair enough, but how come every other 'What...' thread other than images aren't created by management? I'm guessing that they didn't close threads back then?

Be nice if management could clarify this really.

Management may have seen them and deemed them useful after creation, or they were made before rule regarding 1/2 word replies was put in place.

[Kardan]

Management may have seen them and deemed them useful after creation, or they were made before rule regarding 1/2 word replies was put in place.

This sounds acceptable in theory, but I doubt management have actually discussed each thread and declaired them useful.

[scottish]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=656816&highlight=rule

"Following several comments in feedback I have made several changes to the pointless posting rule, which now reads:

~ Do not post short, one or two word responses without reasoning or explanation, for instance "I agree", try giving a short explanation or reason for your answer! This means that threads which only allow for a short, one or two word answer will be closed or moved to spam.

This rule shall be in force as of now, however posts which would be considered as breaking this rule on or before this date 18/07/2010 will not be dealt with, threads however will be closed or moved to spam still.

There will be some exceptions to this rule with the permission of Forum Management, such as "What are you listening to?" "What are you eating?" and "What are you drinking?" ~ should you wish to make a thread like this you must PM the Forum Manager (Oli) to gain permission."

[Kardan]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=656816&highlight=rule

"Following several comments in feedback I have made several changes to the pointless posting rule, which now reads:

~ Do not post short, one or two word responses without reasoning or explanation, for instance "I agree", try giving a short explanation or reason for your answer! This means that threads which only allow for a short, one or two word answer will be closed or moved to spam.

This rule shall be in force as of now, however posts which would be considered as breaking this rule on or before this date 18/07/2010 will not be dealt with, threads however will be closed or moved to spam still.

There will be some exceptions to this rule with the permission of Forum Management, such as "What are you listening to?" "What are you eating?" and "What are you drinking?" ~ should you wish to make a thread like this you must PM the Forum Manager (Oli) to gain permission."

That's okay, so posts are legal, but the threads can still be moved to spam or closed if needed. So music, eating/drinking and random images are okay for this rule - but what about the other threads, these should be closed then unless management have said they have approved them?

[scottish]

As those threads existed at the time (I'm assuming not going to read post date of every post __ thread, you can if you wish :P) I'd assume the exception included them

As it says, "such as" doesn't mean it's limited to those that were listed.

[Kardan]

As those threads existed at the time (I'm assuming not going to read post date of every post __ thread, you can if you wish :P) I'd assume the exception included them

As it says, "such as" doesn't mean it's limited to those that were listed.

I could probably find many threads that were created after the date if I looked. The rule states that staff must approve them, but I honestly don't think people have PM'ed management and gained permission, they've just created them and nobody has done anything about it.

(Although I'm sure if I went ahead and created one it'd get shut down in an instance and this rule would be enforced :P)

[The Don]

I could probably find many threads that were created after the date if I looked. The rule states that staff must approve them, but I honestly don't think people have PM'ed management and gained permission, they've just created them and nobody has done anything about it.

(Although I'm sure if I went ahead and created one it'd get shut down in an instance and this rule would be enforced :P)


Why does it matter, It's not as if we have loads of these threads being created on a regular basis...

[Kardan]

Why does it matter, It's not as if we have loads of these threads being created on a regular basis...

No, we don't :) My issue isn't about them being created, because they simply are not :)