number of jobs a staff can have (at once)

[MKR&*42]

VVhy is there no limit on how many departments 1 user can be in. I really don't find it necessary for anyone to be in over 4 departments at the most (and even then, I would say 3 if the user is a manager in one of them [not asst.]). Don't get mewrong, yes it's helping out at the end of the day but;

a) There are probably other users that'd like a position in the department, which they can't have if the slot is being filled by a person vvho has 3 other jobs or so. It seems "greedy" almost.
b) I struggle to see how anyone can maintain a decent standard of production in over 4 departments really. I'd rather see staff focused on 1/2/3 departments. For some it can work out, the majority I think not.

At this rate, there's going to be people with 10 different job roles.

Thread closed by Matts (Forum Super Moderator) as it is moving towards arguments and the targeting of staff.

[lawrawrrr]

I totally agree with you. I have 4 jobs at the moment, but I literally have no life so it works out. I think everyone in my departments would say I do MORE than enough in each, but I don't see how someone could cope with more than that.

The biggest issue I have is if the staff member is actually doing enough work in each role. At the end of the day, if they're not, they need to be complained about and the AGMs/managers will deal with it.

[dirrty]

some people don't have social lives therefore they can donate all their spare time to habbox and it's various departments.

[CaptainAce]

I agree with this so much +REP for you bringing this up. If you have more then four jobs how can you devote your time to each one and provide quality? You cannot. One or more of the departments will suffer. Its not fair on the people in those departments that begin to fail. At the end of day, remember your not superman/woman. Your only human.

[FlyingJesus]

If someone is capable of doing 10 jobs then I don't see a problem. The problems arise when people aren't able to even cope with one

[Samantha]

Hi Warren, I know this is about me so I'll say this, there are no staff limits in any departments thus I am not taking anyones role. I have explained this to previous people.

I'm not greedy, far from it and I always believe if someone can spread themselves that thin then let them, I know I'd resign if anything got too much for me and I have done in the past, i.e resigning from Events, Content, Graphics in the past - I know I might be in them now but previously I left.

When I became Assistant Rare Values Manager I was in Content, News, Competitions and Rares and was asked to leave two departments although if I felt I could handle more then it was fine. I did chose to leave News and Content yet Charlie wanted me to stay in news therefore I did. I then realised after (when I was in other departments) that having an assistant such as Laura, Luke or Will when I had them that they help a lot and take a lot of weight off you - thus I had more free time.

Also, I don't have college anymore and I don't work that many hours a week, I have just PMed someone wondering how I can handle so many jobs therefore I broke it down:

Competitions I can usually do at the start of the month, providing I have inspiration I rounded that at 5 hours to do - yes this would depend how many Competitions I required and reiterating my inspiration. After that, the only thing I need to do in the department is pick the winners.
Rare Values can take a few hours per week depending on how many I do, when my minimum is reached and such - I placed this at 2-3 hours per week.
Content I also placed at 2-3 hours per week and more depending if I see fit (same with Rare Values). I believe that being a fast typer too contributes to how quick I can do content related work.
Graphics, I admit I wasn't going to return (I decided against it but then Cameron persuaded me), I figured I could trial it and see how long the averge Graphic took me, again this is a monthly thing but unlike competitions it's throughout the month.
Then Events, this is two hours per week or more if I wish to host more events.
News is a constant thing with me being a manager and all, this requires most of my attention but like I said, with 6 departments I am trialling. I do have a fair bit of free time and with me being away at the beginning of August I admit I haven't tried as much this month but I am improving.

If anything gets too much I would resign, I do have one or two departments in mind about that at the moment!

Also, I do not agree with people saying things like if you have over X amount then you cannot possibly give the same effort in each, I think that's upto the person in question and if they can handle it so be it. Yes it would be different if I was starting college again next week but I don't, I have a part time job and I'll see my boyfriend once about every two week - that only gets rid of a few days and it's not every week (providing I sometimes only work 4 hours a day so there are 20 others I can work, depending on sleep).

[Jurv]

it's not really a problem unless they're finding it hard to get the jobs done. at the end of the day it's voluntary work and if they're enjoying the job why should they have to resign for other people? i'm pretty sure that if the workload was too much for them and they couldn't handle it they would either resign or the department managers would have a word.

[CaptainAce]

Some people Jurv just don't resign. They think they can manage but they cannot. Yet they don't see it. And they do the minimum work required therefore leaving the other to bare the brunt of the job which is unfair.

[Jurv]

Some people Jurv just don't resign. They think they can manage but they cannot. Yet they don't see it. And they do the minimum work required therefore leaving the other to bare the brunt of the job which is unfair.

if they don't resign and they cannot manage the job then it's down to the managers to warn them about it, but if they're able to completed the minimum then there isn't really a problem. as long as they're actually doing something in the department and doing what needs to be done it's not a serious issue.

[Kardan]

Some people Jurv just don't resign. They think they can manage but they cannot. Yet they don't see it. And they do the minimum work required therefore leaving the other to bare the brunt of the job which is unfair.

If their managers have an issue with the amount of effort somebody is putting in, they should get rid of them. I don't see a problem, if people want to help more than others fair enough, if people aren't helping enough, they should be fired - simple.

[Kyle]

You don't post any articles and Laura does all the majority of the work. step down.

[Samantha]

You don't post any articles and Laura does all the work. step down.

Excuse me? Since when are you such a big reader of Habbox News. I do more admin work than what you can see on the front page and such. Also if you go back a few pages you'll see an article from me. Been away for a part of this month so haven't been as active.

[Zelda]

Mm I have to say tbh, anything more than 3 departs at once is just hectic tbh. When I was in 4 there was just so much to do all at once, and really past 4 you really could be putting a lot more into other departs by scrapping one. My opinion anyway, some such as Sam obviously can cope with more.

[Kyle]

Excuse me? Since when are you such a big reader of Habbox News. I do more admin work than what you can see on the front page and such.
why are you assuming I don't read habbox news? are you that pessimistic about your own department? :O

[Volunteer]

This is a fair argument tbh. If people have time, then okay go for it. If they are not performing well, it'll reflect on their monthly reports.

Anyhow, aside from this, perhaps Habbox depts could do something like "Swap your jobs for a day" event.

At my previous workplace in real life, we had a week long "Change Your Job For A Day" and we would find someone to switch jobs with to see how it is like to be in another department (@all levels).

Yes, this would definitely be challenging on Habbox, considering all the perms that needs to be sorted, but I know that some people (including I) would like to see how it is like to be in another department.
Baloo; FlyingJesus; Jurv; Samanfa; laura; Intersocial;

[Samantha]

why are you assuming I don't read habbox news? are you that pessimistic about your own department? :O

No I thought you'd commented on the other thread we had, I may have got you confused lmao. I am going to improve on writing articles (and other things behind the scenes in news) so in a good way this feedback thread came about.

[Jordan]

There are a few people on the forum who go a bit silly on how many departments they are in. But if they can handle so many and do a good job then there is no reason for them not to be there. If it's affecting a department then something would be done.

[CaptainAce]

I wish people wouldn't jump to conclusions lol anyway, 4 jobs should be the MAX. Having more then that is just... Asking for big big trouble.

[sex]

suppose she can handle it and still play habbo and work irl so whats the problem lol its obviously about her :/
at least she doesnt have to ask normal users for help with her job like some people but meh

[Inseriousity.]

There is no rule because it is up to the individual or the manager (either the department manager or general) to say enough is enough. This has been done before and will be done again if its deemed to be necessary. Personally I would think twice about allowing someone with 3-4 jobs another one because they tend to have favourites and focus on them more often but it is up to the department manager to decide if hiring someone with multiple jobs already is in their department's best interest.

[Volunteer]

max :D
I wish people wouldn't jump to conclusions lol anyway, 4 jobs should be the min. Having more then that is just... Asking for big big trouble.

[Jordan]

Anyhow, aside from this, perhaps Habbox depts could do something like "Swap your jobs for a day" event.

At my previous workplace in real life, we had a week long "Change Your Job For A Day" and we would find someone to switch jobs with to see how it is like to be in another department (@all levels).

Yes, this would definitely be challenging on Habbox, considering all the perms that needs to be sorted, but I know that some people (including I) would like to see how it is like to be in another department.
@Baloo (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=104047); @FlyingJesus (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753); @Jurv (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=64841); @Samanfa (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=68263); @laura (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=61966); @Intersocial (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=86637);

I think you've kinda answered that idea for yourself. Although it would be fun and interesting

1) Too many perms and messing about

but really because if we swap people around for the day then departments will mess up because no one will have an idea on what to do.

[CaptainAce]

max :D

yes max pmsl.

[FlyingJesus]

I wish people wouldn't jump to conclusions lol anyway, 4 jobs should be the min. Having more then that is just... Asking for big big trouble.

It's you jumping to conclusions by assuming that just because you might not be able to handle it, no-one else possibly could. The extensive history of people at Habbox with multiple roles completely disproves your theory that it can't be done

[Jurv]

This is a fair argument tbh. If people have time, then okay go for it. If they are not performing well, it'll reflect on their monthly reports.

Anyhow, aside from this, perhaps Habbox depts could do something like "Swap your jobs for a day" event.

At my previous workplace in real life, we had a week long "Change Your Job For A Day" and we would find someone to switch jobs with to see how it is like to be in another department (@all levels).

Yes, this would definitely be challenging on Habbox, considering all the perms that needs to be sorted, but I know that some people (including I) would like to see how it is like to be in another department.
Baloo; FlyingJesus; Jurv; Samanfa; laura; Intersocial;

the amount of ideas you have is fantastic, haha!

as much as i would love for this to be an event, i don't really think it would work. too much work would need to be done for just one day and i can just imagine it being a hell of a lot of work for some of the larger departments such as habboxlive. :P

[Samantha]

suppose she can handle it and still play habbo and work irl so whats the problem lol its obviously about her :/
at least she doesnt have to ask normal users for help with her job like some people but meh

Yeah I agree, I think it's because I'm not a sociable person either it's a form of escapism too :).

[efq]

If someone can keep on top of more than one job, then kudos to them for making such an contribution to Habbox. At least they're making an effort <3 xxxx

What I don't agree with, is people labelling them as being unsociable or whatever, they are free to do what they like, let's not knock anybody for something they enjoy doing.

[CaptainAce]

It's you jumping to conclusions by assuming that just because you might not be able to handle it, no-one else possibly could. The extensive history of people at Habbox with multiple roles completely disproves your theory that it can't be done

What are you even talking about?
LOL
Wasn't trying to prove anything.

[Samantha]

I do remember though that there was a rule whereby you couldn't be a trialist in two community departments, does this still occur @inseriousity.

[FlyingJesus]

What are you even talking about?
LOL
Wasn't trying to prove anything.

What part of my post was difficult to understand? You said that attempting to handle more than 4 jobs while maintaining quality is impossible, I said that you're wrong. I really don't see how you can miss what's being talked about when it's the entire thread topic

[CaptainAce]

What part of my post was difficult to understand? You said that attempting to handle more than 4 jobs while maintaining quality is impossible, I said that you're wrong. I really don't see how you can miss what's being talked about when it's the entire thread topic

I did not say impossible LOL Wow, dunno where you pulled that one from haha.
But ok :rolleyes:

[Inseriousity.]

I do remember though that there was a rule whereby you couldn't be a trialist in two community departments, does this still occur @inseriousity.

It's not something that's really enforced, no. Perhaps there's an argument for it to be forced but again I think it's down to the individual and manager to say 'yep I can handle two trials at the same time.' I mean if you passed them both youd technically be doing two jobs at the same time anyway so I wouldn't be particularly annoyed if the rule remained in its dormant state.

[Kyle]

When a staff member commits themselves equally to each of job then I have no qualms, but when they simply treat each of their roles as a volunteer as chores rather than avocations that they're supposed to be at least a little bit passionate about, it becomes a worry.

It's not a matter of things "getting too much", it's just that you can't possibly fully commit with enough enthusiasm to each role, as shown by the fact that that you set aside a certain amount of time for each thing, get it done, then move on. Meeting your minimum requirements and then buggering off for the rest of the month doesn't make you a good staff member.

You said you've been away for the last motnh yet you've been on habbo throughout hxss... RULE BREAK
Samanfa;

[FlyingJesus]

I did not say impossible LOL Wow, dunno where you pulled that one from haha.
But ok :rolleyes:

I pulled it from your earlier post:


If you have more then four jobs how can you devote your time to each one and provide quality? You cannot

I made the part where you stated it to be impossible stand out so that you could find it easily, since you seem unable to remember things that you've actually said

[CaptainAce]

I pulled it from your earlier post:



I made the part where you stated it to be impossible stand out so that you could find it easily, since you seem unable to remember things that you've actually said

Dunno if you noticed but.. Er it doesn't say impossible. Lets agree to disagree because I have better things to be doing then arguing, thanks :)

[Kardan]

Dunno if you noticed but.. Er it doesn't say impossible. Lets agree to disagree because I have better things to be doing then arguing, thanks :)

You imply that it's impossible, so he's perfectly correct in what he's saying.

Personally I just feel this thread is a personal attack, if someone feels as if they've got a problem with a certain member in a certain position, then they should contact their manager. There's no need for a limit on positions.

[lawrawrrr]

I agree with her. I don't think it's possible to put out top quality in each department equally throughout the month if you've got multiple. I even give up occasionally and barely do the minimum (when i've had a bad day/week in that department). Doesn't mean I'm not passionate about it.

[Kardan]

I agree with her. I don't think it's possible to put out top quality in each department equally throughout the month if you've got multiple. I even give up occasionally and barely do the minimum (when i've had a bad day/week in that department). Doesn't mean I'm not passionate about it.

It is easily possible for some people to put in top quality work in each department - they won't be able to put their maximum in of course, but it's perfectly possible for people to do a good job.

[Samantha]

When a staff member commits themselves equally to each of job then I have no qualms, but when they simply treat each of their roles as a volunteer as chores rather than avocations that they're supposed to be at least a little bit passionate about, it becomes a worry.

It's not a matter of things "getting too much", it's just that you can't possibly fully commit with enough enthusiasm to each role, as shown by the fact that that you set aside a certain amount of time for each thing, get it done, then move on. Meeting your minimum requirements and then buggering off for the rest of the month doesn't make you a good staff member.

You said you've been away for the last motnh yet you've been on habbo throughout hxss... RULE BREAK
Samanfa;

No I was away until the 11th August, meaning I was back in time for HxSS, if you didn't notice I wasn't on everyday during the HxSS as it got boring after a while. I was setting times to keep it simple for those who didn't understand, I rarely stick to them. August was such a bad month for me and I'll admit it, I was late for all my Competitions with being away but for the majority of other roles I did try get work done regardless of that.

[Catchy]

Why does it matter? Your point about it being greedy because other people might want roles in the department isn't valid because positions are always becoming available...

[CaptainAce]

If you can't do a good job and do your fair share. This means 50/50 then quit a few departments is all im saying. Its only an opinion so keep your hair on ya heed. Goodnight.

[Samantha]

Why does it matter? Your point about it being greedy because other people might want roles in the department isn't valid because positions are always becoming available...

Yeah my first post in this thread explains that there are no limits, you just can't go OTT and hire about 200 people :P.

[lawrawrrr]

It is easily possible for some people to put in top quality work in each department - they won't be able to put their maximum in of course, but it's perfectly possible for people to do a good job.

I don't agree. There's not enough time for someone to put in as much effort as say, someone who didn't have any other jobs. It shows (speaking from both a staff, and manager role here) that when people have multiple jobs, quality goes down. Good does not necessarily equal best, and at the end of the day, it's down to the manager to consider if the person would be the best person for the role.

However, if they've already hired someone, who then gets 5 or 6 jobs, I'm not sure it would be possible to fire them for this, unless they were being negligent.

[CaptainAce]

I don't agree. There's not enough time for someone to put in as much effort as say, someone who didn't have any other jobs. It shows (speaking from both a staff, and manager role here) that when people have multiple jobs, quality goes down. Good does not necessarily equal best, and at the end of the day, it's down to the manager to consider if the person would be the best person for the role.

However, if they've already hired someone, who then gets 5 or 6 jobs, I'm not sure it would be possible to fire them for this, unless they were being negligent.

Agree agree agree with this 10000%

[Catchy]

I don't agree. There's not enough time for someone to put in as much effort as say, someone who didn't have any other jobs. It shows (speaking from both a staff, and manager role here) that when people have multiple jobs, quality goes down. Good does not necessarily equal best, and at the end of the day, it's down to the manager to consider if the person would be the best person for the role.

However, if they've already hired someone, who then gets 5 or 6 jobs, I'm not sure it would be possible to fire them for this, unless they were being negligent.

You have 4 roles... So you're saying the effort and quality you put into them is **** because you have so many?

[Kardan]

I don't agree. There's not enough time for someone to put in as much effort as say, someone who didn't have any other jobs. It shows (speaking from both a staff, and manager role here) that when people have multiple jobs, quality goes down. Good does not necessarily equal best, and at the end of the day, it's down to the manager to consider if the person would be the best person for the role.

However, if they've already hired someone, who then gets 5 or 6 jobs, I'm not sure it would be possible to fire them for this, unless they were being negligent.

Well, you're saying something different now. Of course someone who has less jobs could put more time into the job, but that does not mean that they would be doing a better job. It's quality, not quantity (of hours). It is down to the manager at the end of the day, as you say.

Surely you're saying you should give up three of your roles and replace them with 3 other staff?

[CaptainAce]

You have 4 roles... So you're saying the effort and quality you put into them is **** because you have so many?

Not if 4 was the max amount.

[Kardan]

Not if 4 was the max amount.

So 4 is perfectly acceptable, but 5 is over the top and they're being crap in each department? There shouldn't be a limit if they can perform.

[FlyingJesus]

Damn I always thought I was the most narcissistic person around here, but people genuinely suggesting that things aren't possible because they feel that they personally wouldn't be able to do them takes the cake. I can't juggle, but it doesn't mean I go around telling professional clowns that they can't do it either

[Kardan]

Damn I always thought I was the most narcissistic person around here, but people genuinely suggesting that things aren't possible because they feel that they personally wouldn't be able to do them takes the cake. I can't juggle, but it doesn't mean I go around telling professional clowns that they can't do it either

I think other people shouldn't give birth, because I cannot give birth.

[CaptainAce]

Damn I always thought I was the most narcissistic person around here, but people genuinely suggesting that things aren't possible because they feel that they personally wouldn't be able to do them takes the cake. I can't juggle, but it doesn't mean I go around telling professional clowns that they can't do it either

I may not be able to do a load of jobs but it's better then not being able to do my best in every job I was in.

[lawrawrrr]

You have 4 roles... So you're saying the effort and quality you put into them is **** because you have so many?


Well, you're saying something different now. Of course someone who has less jobs could put more time into the job, but that does not mean that they would be doing a better job. It's quality, not quantity (of hours). It is down to the manager at the end of the day, as you say.

Surely you're saying you should give up three of your roles and replace them with 3 other staff?

If you read my above posts, I said I don't actually have a social life right now so I can give the effort. I do fluctuate, especially with content, with how much work I do depending on how it's going but you ask any of my managers and all of them will say I do more than enough top quality work. 4 should be the absolute maximum imo. I realise it's quality not quantity but a lot of the time those 2 interlink :)

[Kardan]

If you read my above posts, I said I don't actually have a social life right now so I can give the effort. I do fluctuate, especially with content, with how much work I do depending on how it's going but you ask any of my managers and all of them will say I do more than enough top quality work. 4 should be the absolute maximum imo. I realise it's quality not quantity but a lot of the time those 2 interlink :)

But you are saying that your quality is less than a new person assuming your role. Surely we should limit it to 1 job per person for ultimate quality then? The point I'm trying to make, is the point you're trying to make. You do 4 jobs and believe you do a good job, so why does one extra job to 5 suddenly make that different?

[Catchy]

Not if 4 was the max amount.

I don't understand Laura just said the more roles you have the quality goes down. I don't agree. She's already admitted she has no life whatsoever so let's say on average you have 15 hours spare within a day... 15/4=3.75 that's over three hours for each role and lets face it, moderation doesn't take three hours, it's as you go and doesn't really require you to put 'effort' as such in. Assistant news manager duties, probably around two hours maybe same as content designer and graphics well I'd say around three hours. Of course that's just my personal opinion I could be completely wrong however I highly doubt you'd need all that time for each department.

So yeah I think it's perfectly achievable to be in four roles and put the maximum effort in, this is a Habbo fan site not rocket science.

P.S. Whoever -repped me for 'trying to cause an argument' you couldn't be more wrong. This is just my opinion, sorry if you don't like it.

[xxMATTGxx]

While I agree to some extent but don't we all remember when Nvrspk4 had load of roles at one stage? It depends on the person really. If a specific staff member can't handle all of their roles then they should seriously think which ones they want to stay in and then leave the others if time management is a big problem. If it's a manager with other roles then they should probably make their management role number 1 and decide to leave X amount of roles.

If one specific person is having trouble then that doesn't mean everyone else will with the same amount of roles. Everyone is different.

[JerseySafety]

I totally agree, annoys me when people with already 3+ jobs get even more jobs that other people could have done better as it is their only job - if that makes sense lol.

Being a manager or assistant is hard enough without having another 3+ jobs, like a lot of managers/assistants they are in at least 4 jobs, which is unfair in some ways as that means people who want to start out don't have an opportunity.

If they are in departments, because there is a lack of applications, fair enough. But if they are in 4+ departments that are reasonably popular - ie. lot's of people applying, or sought-after job then something needs to change.

Quality not quantity.

[Kardan]

I don't understand Laura just said the more roles you have the quality goes down. I don't agree. She's already admitted she has no life whatsoever so let's say on average you have 15 hours spare within a day... 15/4=3.75 that's over three hours for each role and lets face it, moderation doesn't take three hours, it's as you go and doesn't really require you to put 'effort' as such in. Assistant news manager duties, probably around two hours maybe same as content designer and graphics well I'd say around three hours. Of course that's just my personal opinion I could be completely wrong however I highly doubt you'd need all that time for each department.

So yeah I think it's perfectly achievable to be in four roles and put the maximum effort in, this is a Habbo fan site not rocket science.

P.S. Whoever -repped me for 'trying to cause an argument' you couldn't be more wrong. This is just my opinion, sorry if you don't like it.

I got that -rep the other day for voicing my opinion, we should cross-reference our threads and find out who it was ;) [/geek]

[GommeInc]

There are a few people on the forum who go a bit silly on how many departments they are in. But if they can handle so many and do a good job then there is no reason for them not to be there. If it's affecting a department then something would be done.
Agreed with everything here. If they do a good job, can handle the commitments and the departments are fine, then leave them be.

The moment you start falling behind your commitments is the moment you should start giving up some roles for Habbox.

[Catchy]

I got that -rep the other day for voicing my opinion, we should cross-reference our threads and find out who it was ;) [/geek]

If my VIP hadn't JUST this second ran out it wouldn't be a problem :( anyways this thread is silly, it's like saying a workaholic in the real world can't do their job properly because they work too many hours, utter ********.

[Kardan]

If my VIP hadn't JUST this second ran out it wouldn't be a problem :( anyways this thread is silly, it's like saying a workaholic in the real world can't do their job properly because they work too many hours, utter ********.

Looks like you got it back, care to PM me who it was? :P

This thread is quite silly really, we should be thankful that we have people dedicated to Habbox and wish to give their spare time to so many departments, instead, they're just being slated. If people have a problem, they should go about it in the correct manner.

[FlyingJesus]

I got that -rep the other day for voicing my opinion, we should cross-reference our threads and find out who it was ;) [/geek]

Silly boy, didn't you know that opinions are only allowed if you're agreeing? And that any refutations you make can simply be countered with WELL THAT'S MY OPINION because opinions aree unchangeable things and refusing to budge isn't dogmatic in any way?

[Kardan]

Silly boy, didn't you know that opinions are only allowed if you're agreeing? And that any refutations you make can simply be countered with WELL THAT'S MY OPINION because opinions aree unchangeable things and refusing to budge isn't dogmatic in any way?

Sorry, I was unaware that we had become North Korea.

If Matt reads this, are we allowed to argue -rep's of 'Trying to cause an argument' when we're stating our opinion, or is that a valid enough reason? ;)

[sex]

I got that -rep the other day for voicing my opinion, we should cross-reference our threads and find out who it was ;) [/geek]


If my VIP hadn't JUST this second ran out it wouldn't be a problem :( anyways this thread is silly, it's like saying a workaholic in the real world can't do their job properly because they work too many hours, utter ********.

its captainace / babaloo w.e her name is. she -repd me for the same reason before except i have vip so could see it :)

[Catchy]

Looks like you got it back, care to PM me who it was? :P

This thread is quite silly really, we should be thankful that we have people dedicated to Habbox and wish to give their spare time to so many departments, instead, they're just being slated. If people have a problem, they should go about it in the correct manner.

Oh that minging green colour isn't VIP it's the ugly staff colour eurg. xxMATTGxx; why can't we have a NICE colour? Anyways back on topic, you're right the amount of effort some people put in is fab and I don't see why some people think they should need to step down from their roles just because they think it's unmanageable when in reality it's perfectly manageable if you're not mad busy irl.

Comity; Oh that's rich coming from HER of all people... She used to feed off the attention of the arguments she used to cause lol... Am not sayin' anything.

[Kardan]

Oh that minging green colour isn't VIP it's the ugly staff colour eurg. xxMATTGxx; why can't we have a NICE colour? Anyways back on topic, you're right the amount of effort some people put in is fab and I don't see why some people think they should need to step down from their roles just because they think it's unmanageable when in reality it's perfectly manageable if you're not mad busy irl.

Ah, I forgot that Green was changed from VIP to Staff.

[Jurv]

I totally agree, annoys me when people with already 3+ jobs get even more jobs that other people could have done better as it is their only job - if that makes sense lol.

i really don't understand where you're coming from?

surely if someone else could do a better job than that person would have been hired? there aren't staff limitations anymore. it wouldn't matter if someone with loads of jobs had a place in the department, they wouldn't be stopping anyone else from becoming staff. obviously it would be a different story if the person wasn't putting in the effort, but even then they would receive warnings from the department manager.

i don't know if that's me reading it wrong but yh whatever lmao

[David]

I'm not going to read 7 pages of this lol. If they find it hard coping with what they have then they have every right to resign otherwise they will slack and be dismissed, it's not something, imo that needs a cap on it. Departments don't have limits on numbers so no one is being held out of a spot.

if they can handle the pressure and get on with the work - there's no problem.

[lawrawrrr]

But you are saying that your quality is less than a new person assuming your role. Surely we should limit it to 1 job per person for ultimate quality then? The point I'm trying to make, is the point you're trying to make. You do 4 jobs and believe you do a good job, so why does one extra job to 5 suddenly make that different?

I didn't say suddenly, but most of the time I don't like that if someone's not doing the best job it doesn't even seem to be picked up on. I don't see how it's possible to have more than 4, personally, as I don't have any extra time for it and I don't know how someone would fit that in. Obviously it depends on each person though.


I don't understand Laura just said the more roles you have the quality goes down. I don't agree. She's already admitted she has no life whatsoever so let's say on average you have 15 hours spare within a day... 15/4=3.75 that's over three hours for each role and lets face it, moderation doesn't take three hours, it's as you go and doesn't really require you to put 'effort' as such in. Assistant news manager duties, probably around two hours maybe same as content designer and graphics well I'd say around three hours. Of course that's just my personal opinion I could be completely wrong however I highly doubt you'd need all that time for each department.

So yeah I think it's perfectly achievable to be in four roles and put the maximum effort in, this is a Habbo fan site not rocket science.

P.S. Whoever -repped me for 'trying to cause an argument' you couldn't be more wrong. This is just my opinion, sorry if you don't like it.

Yeah I agree, although atm I do moderation at the same time, I read pretty much every thread and modwarning doesn't take that much time! For the last few days I've had big gfx tasks so been spending a lot on that, but when there's no tasks to do I'll just do content. I always do news, pretty much constantly got something to do with it open!

[Kardan]

I didn't say suddenly, but most of the time I don't like that if someone's not doing the best job it doesn't even seem to be picked up on. I don't see how it's possible to have more than 4, personally, as I don't have any extra time for it and I don't know how someone would fit that in. Obviously it depends on each person though.



Yeah I agree, although atm I do moderation at the same time, I read pretty much every thread and modwarning doesn't take that much time! For the last few days I've had big gfx tasks so been spending a lot on that, but when there's no tasks to do I'll just do content. I always do news, pretty much constantly got something to do with it open!

You're not saying suddenly, but you are implying it by saying "4 is fine, but I cannot see how anyone can handle 5".

As has been said earlier in the thread, some people may not be able to do more than 4, but you shouldn't stop the people that are able too.

[Ashley]

I don't see a problem as long as they can keep up with the work. If they are struggling, they'll need to use their initiative and resign, or their manager will pick up on it and fire them.

[lawrawrrr]

You're not saying suddenly, but you are implying it by saying "4 is fine, but I cannot see how anyone can handle 5".

As has been said earlier in the thread, some people may not be able to do more than 4, but you shouldn't stop the people that are able too.

That's not what I'm saying at all, you're just reading what you want to read.

I said... I don't understand how people have time for more than 4 as I have no life and have no extra spare time, therefore no time for other departments.

[Kardan]

That's not what I'm saying at all, you're just reading what you want to read.

I said... I don't understand how people have time for more than 4 as I have no life and have no extra spare time, therefore no time for other departments.

Just because you don't understand does not mean it's not possible.

[lawrawrrr]

Just because you don't understand does not mean it's not possible.

From every example I've seen, people with 4+ deparments don't have the best quality reports/edits/graphics etc etc etc

[Kardan]

From every example I've seen, people with 4+ deparments don't have the best quality reports/edits/graphics etc etc etc

This does not mean it isn't possible. And of course, quality is just your opinion. You've also said that people with 4 departments aren't as good as 1 :P

[Grig]

I don't care about amount of jobs. It's up to the said person. What I care about is the fact managers should be doing the same work as normal staff. News managers writing 2 articles, radio managers DJing 3 slots etc. It's only fair and something I know Inseriousity.; agrees with. It's so silly how managers think "it takes too much time". I know from experience that you can fit that in, especially in news.

[nvrspk4]

The arguments in this thread are absurd.

If you are doing multiple things, yes you cannot give your "best" to one thing, but by that argument no staff should have more than one job else they can't give their best. Even if a staff member is not doing his or her "best potential" in a department, he or she still could be in the top half or even near the top in every department in which he or she works. The argument that four is somehow a magic number is entirely unsupported by fact or logical reasoning and seems to be spawned by self-interest rather than rationality.

Furthermore, the concern that staff cannot do a good job in multiple departments is completely unfounded. If they're not doing a good job they get fired. If they're not getting fired, it's the manager's fault not theirs. Plus General Management has taken aggressive steps to address the problem of staff activity so YAY them and problem solved (and even if not, it has nothing to do with a job limit).

Even if this thread wasn't intended to be targeted, seems like this thread in general is directed at specific people instead of making decisions with regards to specific policies.

It's also lovely to see the Habbox Staff jumping on each other - isn't there a rule about criticizing each other in public to...you know...act like a team? Honestly I feel like the staff down each other in Feedback more than the members do nowadays. It's like watching Mean Girls. And there's also no excuse for members to call out individual staff members in public. That also used to be against the rules, but so long as staff members (and its across multiple feedback threads not this) have as much infighting as the HabboxLive diva era at its worst Mean Girls.

Sorry random rant. Also if this was facebook I would have liked every one of FlyingJesus and Kardan's posts. Also I had like 6 or 7 jobs at one point and I have managed four different departments not including my General Management positions (not at the same time, but the fact that I made manager shows that you can put in quality work). I've also seen people put in more work than entire departments when things like Habbo Big Brother happened or during HxSS when we used the Executive Organizer model. Yes it's over a short period but it shows that people do have the capacity to handle that kind of workload if they prioritize it.

[Aiden]

Does it really matter how many jobs someone else has? Does it really effect you? If they can handle it then why not?

[CaptainAce]

Everyone is saying it's okay if you can handle it.. But some people can't handle it who don't want to admit it.

[Samantha]

Everyone is saying it's okay if you can handle it.. But some people can't handle it who don't want to admit it.

Look not being funny but I know you're talking about me, I'm not arguing but just come out and target me if you want. Also, you may not know if they can handle it, there's more to roles than what meets the eye.

I don't see why people need to go on about this, I agree with nvr some people I know it's targeted at do a great job in their roles. This was a targeting thread in the ops post.

[CaptainAce]

I'm not targetting anyone. Thats the situation that some departments will probably face both now and in the future.

[Samantha]

I'm not targetting anyone. Thats the situation that some departments will probably face both now and in the future.

I don't believe you can see it, you say some can't handle it and don't admit it, to make that judgement you have people in mind.

[CaptainAce]

I'm not even going to argue with you because at the end of the day, your not in my mind. You can't exactly judge what im basing it off.

[Samantha]

I'm not even going to argue with you because at the end of the day, your not in my mind. You can't exactly judge what im basing it off.

I'm not arguing I'm being civil, not everything is negative with me. I'm just speaking of what it appears like.

[CrazyLemurs]

I've got 3 jobs, and ask any of my managers, I'm not often in the top for the week or whatever.
But I'm not often the worst for a period of time, so I think I'm fit to stat in the 3 departments.
I hit my minimums most (if not every) weeks and feel I can handle 3 separate jobs.
I maintain having fun, as well as getting my schoolwork done, when I have it of course.

I think 4 would strain me and a 5th would be too much to give the required effort every week.
That's personally me, and I have no real commitments to stick to other than Habbox. Although that said, I am a very good procrastinator and enjoy having fun a biiit too much.

So long as the staff member in question is maintaining a solid level of enthusiasm and output they should be doing fine.
Sam I think is the member with the most jobs, yes?
As far as I know, she gets all her work done successfully and hasn't been on the brink of being fired from any of them.
She's even managing 2 (I think, definitely at least 1) and doing those fine too.
Albeit I think Laura does do more in news specifically, Sam clearly is doing things, that just aren't in the public eye so much.


I'm currently on my iPhone if you are seeing this message! I cannot participate in spam wars xx

[dbgtz]

I always thought people had multiple jobs because no one else had applied.

[CrazyLemurs]

That's not always the case, DB.
Some people just like doing multiple things.
i.e. I like having a conversation with people in the Help Desk when nobody needs help
and I also like seeing the way rares can change values from one number to another in just a couple of days, so I applied to rares (plus Jason forced me to join so...)

I think managers see that current staff know how to be Habbox staff, and all the rules etc. so feel safer hiring them over possibly riskier applicants

[xxMATTGxx]

Everyone is saying it's okay if you can handle it.. But some people can't handle it who don't want to admit it.

Then this isn't the thread for it. From what I can see this thread was created to try and put some rule to stop people having X amount of jobs then it turned about to a specific person because people in this thread agree that they don't deserve the amount of roles they have due to them not having time to do them all. Is this the right place to moan about them? No you do it the correct way.

Do we need to limit the jobs people have? No

Do we need to have words with people who can't manage those jobs? Yes but you don't start moaning about them in a feedback thread.

[Undesirable]

[QUOTE=Samanfa;7673687]QUOTE]

You shouldn't need to justify yourself. If you can handle all those jobs, good on you. The people bringing it up, really need to take this elsewhere and not voice opinions for everyone to see. In the big bad world, your job isn't just ONE thing, so it's good to learn to multi-task and understand time-management, even if it is just a 'job' on a forum! :)

[Grig]

I don't see people targeting Samantha, she seems to be doing fine and that's all that matters. If you have no life and can handle it, go for it. Every little hand helps. Whole thread is silly, including many arguments and replies.

[lawrawrrr]

I don't see people targeting Samantha, she seems to be doing fine and that's all that matters. If you have no life and can handle it, go for it. Every little hand helps. Whole thread is silly, including many arguments and replies.

yeah agreed, people thought i was targetting ollz/gina in my starz thread but i wasnt, people like to read what they want to read and distort everyone else's view to that as well.

[Kardan]

yeah agreed, people thought i was targetting ollz/gina in my starz thread but i wasnt, people like to read what they want to read and distort everyone else's view to that as well.

You weren't targeting people in this thread, other people were :)

[Yonder]

I haven't read the whole thread, to long. Note i don't believe there should be an enforced rule but more of a guideline to people.

I do believe there should be some unwritten restrictions. Why? Because you should be giving 110% to that job or two you have taken on. Those that profess that they have no life and can do 4+ and give 110% to each one is just not true. In my opinion you shouldn't be satisfying each department by doing what you need to do. You should be concentrating on 1 or 2 and going above & beyond what is required.

Yes it is a fan site and you aren't getting paid but when i was staff member i would always try to exceed in the department i was in or managing because i <3 Habbox and wanted to see it strive. No i wouldn't let it hinder my life but when i was working on something for Habbox i would give 110%.

I know when i was a manager, we weren't allowed to be (assistant) manager of another department. When i was a manager it was a fair amount of work. Managing staff, projects, PMs, emails and a lot more. Maybe some departments are easier than others but i am sure they are all a lot of work. Personally if you are a department manager i wouldn't recommend anyone to be apart of any other department.

I also believe that if a staff member has 4+ (even 3+) positions within Habbox they are taking away positions from potential new staff members who could provide more attention to that position that somebody with multiple positions can't

Now as always there are exceptions. For example being a part of the events department can easily be worked in with Habbox Live. Promoting the current events whilst on air etc etc.

I have never had more than one position at a time at Habbox. I may have overlapped here and there, when applying for a new department and resigning from a previous one (that is just smart). But in reality nobody should be exceeding 2+ and if you are then 3+ would be a no no in my book.

I appreciate all the staff at Habbox, you make it what it is.

2 cents.

[MKR&*42]

Then this isn't the thread for it. From what I can see this thread was created to try and put some rule to stop people having X amount of jobs then it turned about to a specific person because people in this thread agree that they don't deserve the amount of roles they have due to them not having time to do them all. Is this the right place to moan about them? No you do it the correct way.

Do we need to limit the jobs people have? No

Do we need to have words with people who can't manage those jobs? Yes but you don't start moaning about them in a feedback thread.

This^.

I'm sorry if anyone such as Samanfa; feels offended by this thread. I didn't make it in order to target a specific person, and I had dire hope that no-one would start pointing fingers and naming names (hence why I didn't in my post). Samanfa was not the sole reason I made this thread, she isn't the only one with 4+ jobs. I had the issue floating around in my head for a few days so I decided to post it in feedback (After I noticed her gaining another job, but that's not the problem atm) and see what user's opinions were upon it. The thread is not "silly", it is simply a reasonable question which provoked a lot of debate.

I'm ashamed that people couldn't impress me and went on to name names really...

[CaptainAce]

I wasn't even targetting anyone either. As you say there are loads of people with 4+ Jobs. I didn't name anyone because theres quite a few people with that amount of jobs. People just assume I meant them :rolleyes:

[Kardan]

I wasn't even targetting anyone either. As you say there are loads of people with 4+ Jobs. I didn't name anyone because theres quite a few people with that amount of jobs. People just assume I meant them :rolleyes:

This is where you are wrong, there are 2 people on the forum with 4+ jobs.

runeaddict99 with 5 (1 in a trial), and Samanfa with 6, so all comments about people with 4+ jobs are about them, so you may not be targetting people directly, but it's obvious who you are talking about, and it's the same either way.

[MKR&*42]

This is where you are wrong, there are 2 people on the forum with 4+ jobs.

@runeaddict99 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=86742) with 5 (1 in a trial), and @Samanfa (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=68263) with 6, so all comments about people with 4+ jobs are about them, so you may not be targetting people directly, but it's obvious who you are talking about, and it's the same either way.

Laura has 4+ jobs doesn't she? Or did she resign from some, I can't recall. She might be in 3 actually... I'm not even sure.

Or do you mean "over 4" jobs :P

[CaptainAce]

Dunno what Kardan meant but I meant 4 and over 4.

[Kardan]

Shush :P

[CaptainAce]

4+ is 4 and over.

[Kyle]

4+ is 4 and above otherwise it would be 5+

some mathematician you are lovepanda

Only problem I see here is a manager being heavily reliant on their assistant due to their countless other roles. No real need to actually cap the number of jobs but when it is QUITE CLEARLY affecting the output of the respective departments then it needs sorting out.

[Kardan]

4+ is 4 and above otherwise it would be 5+

some mathematician you are lovepanda

I know, but throughout the thread people have been saying 4+ and I can't change now :(

Anyways, the only person with 4 jobs is Laura, and Baloo, I know you're not targetting her since you agree with her views, so it's obvious who you are talking about and who this thread is about, and that's unacceptable.

[Zelda]

is laura the only other one with 4 atm? the point still stands tho that some others of us hav been 4+ for quite a long time, such as me in a down period at 3 atm.

[CaptainAce]

Im not targetting I am speaking hypotehtically.

[Kardan]

is laura the only other one with 4 atm? the point still stands tho that some others of us hav been 4+ for quite a long time, such as me in a down period at 3 atm.

I'm sure many people have been over 4 in the past, but it stands that this thread was made now over the one person in particular.

And you may be speaking hypothetically, but your hypothetical comments will still target the people they refer too.

[Kyle]

is laura the only other one with 4 atm? the point still stands tho that some others of us hav been 4+ for quite a long time, such as me in a down period at 3 atm.
You host 1 event per week and submit all of your values at the end of the week. I'd say you were more or less on 1 real job role. :) ;) :P

[Zelda]

I'm sure many people have been over 4 in the past, but it stands that this thread was made now over the one person in particular.

And you may be speaking hypothetically, but your hypothetical comments will still target the people they refer too.

Yea i will agree on that point, it really does target imo, was just saying ;p but ye this is targetting so much now really should just be /thread

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You host 1 event per week and submit all of your values at the end of the week. I'd say you were more or less on 1 real job role. :) ;) :P

LMAO i'll admit i perhaps do just focus mainly on news now, but the time i was talking about i did sort of spread a bit more.

[Kardan]

Yea i will agree on that point, it really does target imo, was just saying ;p but ye this is targetting so much now really should just be /thread

It should be closed, there's no discussion value left, management have made it clear that there's no rule on a limit, and there won't be. If people feel someone isn't performing, they should inform that person's manager.

[Zelda]

Yep + people are forgetting that targetting other staff members is against the rules.... another thing to report to their manger about ;)

/thread

[lawrawrrr]

What about when those complaints are ignored? That's when people get annoyed at threads like this start.

[FlyingJesus]

I think there is a big difference between a complaint being ignored and a complaint not being agreed with

[Kardan]

What about when those complaints are ignored? That's when people get annoyed at threads like this start.

Then you go to the person in charge of their manager.

[Mathew]

I'm surprised that this discussion has managed to get to 12 pages. If someone is underperforming in a department then their manager should pick up on it and it can be discussed on an individual basis. Simple.

[xxMATTGxx]

What about when those complaints are ignored? That's when people get annoyed at threads like this start.

It's not being ignored.

[Matthew]

In my opinion, if the member of staff *is able* to work in x departments perfectly well, then they should be allowed to. Unless their activity starts to decline in one or more of the departments, or they cannot put 100% into each one, then there is no problem.

Thread closed as I feel the discussion is complete. There is nothing more to be said and it seems that the thread is moving towards arguments.