Habbox Events Staff Feedback

[Ed.]

While attending Majestic Races at 17:00 BST on Habbo.com I was shocked and appalled by the level of unfairness displayed by the host towards her friends.

A player left the game and the host allowed the player back in and this player went on to win the event.

Please can we establish some consistent rules...

As I said earlier:

"If you disconnect during your event at the Olympic Games, you don't get let back in".

The same should apply at Habbox.

[Kardan]

I wouldn't even bother complaining about the events, I tried to complain and nothing was done about it, so I was then complaining about the complaints system, and one departmental manager said:

"We have better things to do with our time than reply to every little pathetic complaint we get"

So, good luck!

[Ed.]

Don't get me wrong, some of the events are great but as I have mentioned previously there is a varying standard in the hosting of these events.

[Samantha]

Yeah I went to an event yesterday, I won but it wasn't the point that people were favoured more than others - staff were also being rude to members in the room (yes the person was being rude back but shouldn't retaliate even if they're related).

I have only been to a few events but there's a mixed bunch of good and bad!

[Lee]

It would be good if management made accounts that nobody new to come along and "review" the EOs in question... Fail proof.

[Ed.]

It would be good if management made accounts that nobody new to come along and "review" the EOs in question... Fail proof.

I agree. There needs to be an official review by an Independent Commission on Habbox Events and a full report needs to be compiled and reforms made.

[Mathew]

While attending Majestic Races at 17:00 BST on Habbo.com I was shocked and appalled by the level of unfairness displayed by the host towards her friends.

A player left the game and the host allowed the player back in and this player went on to win the event.

Please can we establish some consistent rules...

As I said earlier:

"If you disconnect during your event at the Olympic Games, you don't get let back in".

The same should apply at Habbox.
Hi Ed. If you're genuinely "appalled" and "shocked" at this event then I'm sorry, but I do think we need to put a couple of things into perspective and take a look at the type of language you've used here. I was in the event and saw what happened. The individual in question disconnected from Habbo, and the host simply let them back in to finish their game. That's it. End. There is no "unfairness" here at all; it's merely a gesture of good-will so they could finish the game. I'm not sure what else you'd like us to say?

I don't understand your Olympic Games analogy either. If you're comparing Habbox Events to the Olympic Games then I think we're getting on to something far greater than this.


I wouldn't even bother complaining about the events, I tried to complain and nothing was done about it, so I was then complaining about the complaints system, and one departmental manager said:

"We have better things to do with our time than reply to every little pathetic comment we get"

So, good luck!
We've already had a chat about this, Kardan, and you're aware that I dealt with the issue as soon as it happened. I had a chat with the Events Organiser just seconds afterwards, there was an apology, we discussed it, and it was sorted. As for the complaint you sent through PM, I can only assume it slipped Alex's mind (it's important to note he'd only been manager for a few days too). I do understand it can be frustrating if it feels like your opinion is falling on deaf ears, and I always make a point of replying... even if it's just a quick "Thanks for letting me know, I'll follow this up".

I also think that comment by another departmental manager (neither of us in Events, I hasten to add) was slightly unwarranted. I, personally, make time for every comment, regardless of how pathetic it sounds. I wouldn't feel happy with myself otherwise. :P


Don't get me wrong, some of the events are great but as I have mentioned previously there is a varying standard in the hosting of these events.
We appreciate your feedback and I invite you to send Alex or myself a PM if you have a genuine issue. What I don't like, however, is the threats towards Events Organisers. The mighty attitude of "I have posted a complaint of the highest order" and calls of "SCAAAAAM" in the event simply aren't wanted. There are ways and means of telling us your problems - deliberate attempts to disrupt the host or embarrass them in public are just purile.


Yeah I went to an event yesterday, I won but it wasn't the point that people were favoured more than others - staff were also being rude to members in the room (yes the person was being rude back but shouldn't retaliate even if they're related).

I have only been to a few events but there's a mixed bunch of good and bad!
As always, if you see staff being rude then a PM to SyrupyMonkey or their department manager is all it takes. Formal complaints about an EO should be explained through PM, with evidence, to myself or Alex. Easy.


It would be good if management made accounts that nobody new to come along and "review" the EOs in question... Fail proof.
Ha, nice idea Lee but I'd like to think I trust the Events Organisers more than that! :P


I agree. There needs to be an official review by an Independent Commission on Habbox Events and a full report needs to be compiled and reforms made.
...hence why I question the validity of this thread.

[FlyingJesus]

Good old Mathew with his "my team are perfect and all complaints are invalid JUST BECAUSE" line

Problems do occur with events staff, and telling people that their experiences don't matter is not a solution

[Ed.]

Everything is clearly not alright. If it was just me kicking up a fuss, then I would have been shot down in the first few replies however it is clear that it is not just anomalous. With regards to personal messaging, this is a way for the management to hush down such uproar as when it is in the public spectrum people are more willing to speak up and contribute.

[Kardan]

SNIP

Oh, yeah, my complaint with the events organiser was sorted with, but what I'm saying was I was complaining about my complaint :P I'm aware you chatted to the EO once you told me about it :)

[Mathew]

Good old Mathew with his "my team are perfect and all complaints are invalid JUST BECAUSE" line

Problems do occur with events staff, and telling people that their experiences don't matter is not a solution
I've explained above why this complaint in particular isn't anything to worry about. Obviously problems occur and obviously they're dealt with when they need to be.

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Everything is clearly not alright. If it was just me kicking up a fuss, then I would have been shot down in the first few replies however it is clear that it is not just anomalous. With regards to personal messaging, this is a way for the management to hush down such uproar as when it is in the public spectrum people are more willing to speak up and contribute.
Everything was fine with today's event at 5pm BST. You're welcome to contribute ideas towards improving the system (and the department in general), but your post is worded in such a way that targets one specific event and I've addressed that event alone. So in that sense, yes there is only you who had a problem with today's event. There is little "uproar" in regards to today's event which your complaint is based on. You know that. :P


Oh, yeah, my complaint with the events organiser was sorted with, but what I'm saying was I was complaining about my complaint :P I'm aware you chatted to the EO once you told me about it :)
Ah, I agree with you then, haha. :D

[Ed.]

Everything was fine with today's event at 5pm BST. You're welcome to contribute ideas towards improving the system (and the department in general), but your post is worded in such a way that targets one specific event and I've addressed that event alone. So in that sense, yes there is only you who had a problem with today's event. There is little "uproar" in regards to today's event which your complaint is based on. You know that. :P


I'm now not talking only about this one event, I'm talking about the events as an entity. Yes, there may have only been 1 complaint with regards to the 5pm event, but there have been complaints with regards to events on other days at other times and the combination of all these complaints is frankly quite frightening. Therefore, as Assistant Events Manager, do you not feel the need to look at the department and think if there is anything that needs changed or rules that need to be clarified?

[Mathew]

I'm now not talking only about this one event, I'm talking about the events as an entity. Yes, there may have only been 1 complaint with regards to the 5pm event, but there have been complaints with regards to events on other days at other times and the combination of all these complaints is frankly quite frightening. Therefore, as Assistant Events Manager, do you not feel the need to look at the department and think if there is anything that needs changed or rules that need to be clarified?
Sure, Alex and I are willing to discuss changes to the department (without dressing it up as a complaint targetting one individual). Strangely enough, I haven't had a complaint in my inbox for a while, although I do know Alex is currently dealing with one issue after a series of PMs he got. I understand you might not believe us (I wouldn't believe me either) but we do actually follow up private messages. I'll also add that if we see something a bit odd in an event then we often send a reminder PM (whether it's about an announcement or the way they speak to people). I wouldn't call it "frightening" quite yet, although we're happy to discuss things with you in a civil manner. If you have some general things on your mind at the minute, just post them up and we'd be happy to take a look and post a reminder. If it's more personal though, private message is the place to be.

[sex]

I don't see why you're crying over events so much , you're literally always doing it when tbh, i've never heard of you before or seen you at events lol... So what, someone disconnected and got let back in, is your life really that boring that that sort of stuff warrants a feedback thread lol. it is done ALL the time, if you had actually been at habbox events over the summer such as HxSS you would see this done daily and no one really had a problem.... did you lose to the player who got let back in or something? Is that the real reason?

[Zelda]

I find it ridiculous that you're complaining that someone got let back in? The complaints should be when someone doesn't get let back in when they d/c, not the other way around? Stop being such a sore loser.

Sure there may be actual complaints that are very justified to make about events atm, but this is definitely not one of them.

[Ed.]

I don't see why you're crying over events so much , you're literally always doing it when tbh, i've never heard of you before or seen you at events lol... So what, someone disconnected and got let back in, is your life really that boring that that sort of stuff warrants a feedback thread lol. it is done ALL the time, if you had actually been at habbox events over the summer such as HxSS you would see this done daily and no one really had a problem.... did you lose to the player who got let back in or something? Is that the real reason?

You're an Events Organiser so of course you're going to try and back your department on this one. Frankly there is no need to try and insult me as that further weakens any argument that you may have had. The form of your rebuttle seems to be an attempt to belittle or bully which in fact has no content whatsoever. I believe in equality and fairness and I know that if I got disconnected I wouldn't be let back in and I wouldn't ask to be either.

You've never seen me at events before? Perhaps I don't attend every event and why should it matter how many events I do or don't attend. I do not believe that this makes me less important whatsoever as you are trying to imply.

And in reply, no my life clearly isn't very boring considering I didn't attend Habbox events over the summer because I was actually at the real Olympic Games everyday.



I find it ridiculous that you're complaining that someone got let back in? The complaints should be when someone doesn't get let back in when they d/c, not the other way around? Stop being such a sore loser.

Sure there may be actual complaints that are very justified to make about events atm, but this is definitely not one of them.

The irony is, that it was infact the person who disconnected who lost and therefore they were being a sore loser in not accepting that they are out of the game. I infact was still in the game. In addition to this, I was pointing out the favouritism in the events department with regards to the fact that hosts are extremely inconsistent. Some let just their friends back in when they disconnect or have problems or are away, whereas others are consistent and just let nobody back in. I think we need further clarifications of the rules of events.



I look forward to your reply.

[Samantha]

I find it ridiculous that you're complaining that someone got let back in? The complaints should be when someone doesn't get let back in when they d/c, not the other way around? Stop being such a sore loser.

Sure there may be actual complaints that are very justified to make about events atm, but this is definitely not one of them.

I let people back in if the round hasn't finished, if it has they can wait. That's the rule I got told and that's the rule I followed, not everyone gets let back in.

[Ed.]

I let people back in if the round hasn't finished, if it has they can wait. That's the rule I got told and that's the rule I followed, not everyone gets let back in.

Hence further emphasising the inconsistency in the hosting of events.

[sex]

I think you need to realise this is DONE PURELY ON A VOLUNTEER basis, would you rather have no events for you to moan constantly about? SOMEONE GOT LET IN, it happens all the time over all the hotels in every single game almost. GET OVER IT.

[Ed.]

I think you need to realise this is DONE PURELY ON A VOLUNTEER basis, would you rather have no events for you to moan constantly about? SOMEONE GOT LET IN, it happens all the time over all the hotels in every single game almost. GET OVER IT.

I know it is done on a volunteer basis, but there is also an application process which means it is a selected position. I believe that there are many people who would love the opportunity to be events staff. I just want Habbox Events to excel really. It's constructive criticism. Everyone moans about Investment Banks and look, they're being reformed now via the Vickers reforms. Also, I feel that you have failed to reply fully to my points.

I reject the notion that you believe that the reform and inquiry into a department is unnecessary. I point out the Rare Values Department back when there was the price fixing scandal. The whole department was overhauled and sorted out and Habbox rare values are better as a result of it. Now, I'm not suggesting something this drastic for Events but something on a smaller scale perhaps?

[MKR&*42]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=760752

This sums it up nicely^.

[sex]

I know it is done on a volunteer basis, but there is also an application process which means it is a selected position. I believe that there are many people who would love the opportunity to be events staff. I just want Habbox Events to excel really. It's constructive criticism. Everyone moans about Investment Banks and look, they're being reformed now via the Vickers reforms. Also, I feel that you have failed to reply fully to my points.

I reject the notion that you believe that the reform and inquiry into a department is unnecessary. I point out the Rare Values Department back when there was the price fixing scandal. The whole department was overhauled and sorted out and Habbox rare values are better as a result of it. Now, I'm not suggesting something this drastic for Events but something on a smaller scale perhaps?

Why do you keep comparing Habbox Events to real life? ITS AN ONLINE GAME THAT YOU CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN. You're the only one who has a problem with letting people back in when they have qued up for ages and then disconnected, no one else in the thread has agreed with you. everyone else has just mentioned other problems with events and complaints. build a bridge and get over it because i'm starting to worry when you're comparing habbox events to the olympics and investment banks, you might have a bit of a problem....

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http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=760752

This sums it up nicely^.

lmao i love you warren, it's so ironic.

[Zelda]

I let people back in if the round hasn't finished, if it has they can wait. That's the rule I got told and that's the rule I followed, not everyone gets let back in.I woulda thought it obvious that I meant while round was still going..... Goes wthout saying

[Hollie]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=760752

This sums it up nicely^.

ikr :rolleyes:

people get let back into events when they dc all the time and just because that person ended up winning the game doesn't mean that it's unfair. i dced in an event not long ago, was allowed back in and won and no one was complaining then? 'shocked' and 'appalled' are a bit extreme imo when it happens all the time :S

[Samantha]

I woulda thought it obvious that I meant while round was still going..... Goes wthout saying

Think it also depends on what event it is too, if the round is nearly over in FF (i.e. tri or one space left to do) then I would be more weary to let them back in as opposed to Don't Get a Carrot etc.

[Mathew]

The form of your rebuttle seems to be an attempt to belittle or bully which in fact has no content whatsoever. I believe in equality and fairness and I know that if I got disconnected I wouldn't be let back in and I wouldn't ask to be either.
At first, this thread seemed like an attempt to belittle and bully but it seems to have developed into something a bit more worthwhile. I'm curious as to why you're so against people being let into a game if they disconnect though? Why wouldn't you ask? It's not your fault you disconnected!


The irony is, that it was infact the person who disconnected who lost and therefore they were being a sore loser in not accepting that they are out of the game. I infact was still in the game. In addition to this, I was pointing out the favouritism in the events department with regards to the fact that hosts are extremely inconsistent. Some let just their friends back in when they disconnect or have problems or are away, whereas others are consistent and just let nobody back in. I think we need further clarifications of the rules of events.

Hence further emphasising the inconsistency in the hosting of events.

I let people back in if the round hasn't finished, if it has they can wait. That's the rule I got told and that's the rule I followed, not everyone gets let back in.
I'm quite confident that they wouldn't have been let in if they had lost the game (you never mentioned that part in your original argument either). I understand it can be frustrating if you feel you're being given unequal treatment, although it is indeed unintentional. We don't have an official rule on whether people are let back in or not because, to be frank, it's completely down to the Events Organiser's discretion and we trust them to make that judgement. I think most Events Organisers (myself included) follow the same "rule" as Samanfa. If I was hosting a game of Falling Furniture and another round had been completed before they returned, obviously they wouldn't be let back in as they'd have an unfair advantage. You can't pin a rule on this because there are so many instances to account for. I also don't like bombarding Events Organisers with rules to memorize left, right, and centre - there's enough as it is. It's a voluntary position, it's their game, and they've agreed to represent Habbox. We can not, and should not, control them.

[Zelda]

Think it also depends on what event it is too, if the round is nearly over in FF (i.e. tri or one space left to do) then I would be more weary to let them back in as opposed to Don't Get a Carrot etc.

Well imo in games wher someone looses in each round it'd be unfair after the round obv, if it puts them at disadvantage and gives everyone else extra chance like ff then I wouldn't say so. Obviously events like trivia races and pod racing (first to wall version) u could come in at any time tho tbh, after all trivia races ppl can come from the queue to fill up empty seats that are reset at anytime.

Moral of the story, ed stop crying over spilt milk.

Support to Mathew ^^^

[Ed.]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=760752

This sums it up nicely^.

Yes, I started the debate but I take Habbox seroiusly as opposed to Habbo.


Why do you keep comparing Habbox Events to real life? ITS AN ONLINE GAME THAT YOU CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN. You're the only one who has a problem with letting people back in when they have qued up for ages and then disconnected, no one else in the thread has agreed with you. everyone else has just mentioned other problems with events and complaints. build a bridge and get over it because i'm starting to worry when you're comparing habbox events to the olympics and investment banks, you might have a bit of a problem....

Yes, I choose to participate in it and I choose to voice my opinion about the failings of the events. Yes, okay, I'm the only one who had mentioned disconnecting but I have also been talking about the bigger picture which others have been agreeing to and I thank you for agreeing with me that there are failings on a bigger scale.



ikr :rolleyes:

people get let back into events when they dc all the time and just because that person ended up winning the game doesn't mean that it's unfair. i dced in an event not long ago, was allowed back in and won and no one was complaining then? 'shocked' and 'appalled' are a bit extreme imo when it happens all the time :S

I apologise if I come across as "extreme" but I believe in fairness and equality and I will not rest until there is justice. I have strong integrity and morals about what is right and wrong and I feel that Habbox Events need to return to their former glory. Everyone is certainly NOT treated as equal. Comity verified this point earlier when he said that he had never even seen me before. People are judged by their reputation here which doesn't bode well for the future.


At first, this thread seemed like an attempt to belittle and bully but it seems to have developed into something a bit more worthwhile. I'm curious as to why you're so against people being let into a game if they disconnect though? Why wouldn't you ask? It's not your fault you disconnected!




I'm quite confident that they wouldn't have been let in if they had lost the game (you never mentioned that part in your original argument either). I understand it can be frustrating if you feel you're being given unequal treatment, although it is indeed unintentional. We don't have an official rule on whether people are let back in or not because, to be frank, it's completely down to the Events Organiser's discretion and we trust them to make that judgement. I think most Events Organisers (myself included) follow the same "rule" as Samanfa. If I was hosting a game of Falling Furniture and another round had been completed before they returned, obviously they wouldn't be let back in as they'd have an unfair advantage. You can't pin a rule on this because there are so many instances to account for. I also don't like bombarding Events Organisers with rules to memorize left, right, and centre - there's enough as it is. It's a voluntary position, it's their game, and they've agreed to represent Habbox. We can not, and should not, control them.

Matt, I'm not just against people being disconnected and rejoining. That was just one of a plethora of points regarding Habbox Events. Please do not take it on a personal level as it is not at all a reflection upon you. I am just searching for some consistency as I feel that there have been slipping standards. As pointed out earlier, the management should come on with an unknown account and this would allow them to do a review. Other departments have rules and high standards - these should be across the board.


Well imo in games wher someone looses in each round it'd be unfair after the round obv, if it puts them at disadvantage and gives everyone else extra chance like ff then I wouldn't say so. Obviously events like trivia races and pod racing (first to wall version) u could come in at any time tho tbh, after all trivia races ppl can come from the queue to fill up empty seats that are reset at anytime.

Moral of the story, ed stop crying over spilt milk.

So you are agreeing with me in some cases in actual fact... So again we return to the inconsistency. Furthermore I am against your attempts to put me down by use of clichés. I am also failing to see what moral you are trying to highlight. This phrase you have used is in fact a fallacy as it is not a lost cause already. I am standing up for what I believe in and fighting for it.

[Mathew]

Yes, I choose to participate in it and I choose to voice my opinion about the failings of the events. Yes, okay, I'm the only one who had mentioned disconnecting but I have also been talking about the bigger picture which others have been agreeing to and I thank you for agreeing with me that there are failings on a bigger scale.

I apologise if I come across as "extreme" but I believe in fairness and equality and I will not rest until there is justice. I have strong integrity and morals about what is right and wrong and I feel that Habbox Events need to return to their former glory.

I am just searching for some consistency as I feel that there have been slipping standards.

So you are agreeing with me in some cases in actual fact... So again we return to the inconsistency.
You still haven't mentioned where you believe the problem lies - it's just rhetoric. We'd be happy to discuss issues and solutions, but there's a lot here about "morals, equality, glory, and fairness" when I still don't understand the issue. I don't think there's any "failings" at all, but that's just one man's opinion against another. I don't judge you for it, don't worry.

So again: If you have some general things on your mind at the minute, just post them up and we'd be happy to take a look and post a reminder. If it's more personal though, private message is the place to be.


Matt, I'm not just against people being disconnected and rejoining. That was just one of a plethora of points regarding Habbox Events. As pointed out earlier, the management should come on with an unknown account and this would allow them to do a review.
I still don't know why you're against it at all though! :P

Alex or General Management may want to go on an unknown account and spy on fellow staff members, but I really do find that a step too far. I attend events enough to understand that they're genuine - we don't need to hide anything here! :)

[Zelda]

Sorry but saying events don't have high standards? Yes it isn't as rigid as something like news where me Sam and Laura scour articles for even the slightest details, but i was in events long enough that it has incredibly high standards, with things to do with staff being followed up highly appropriately, and the rules in place work very well, its just insulting to say they have poor standards tbh.

[sex]

You can't say events don't have high standards when you've been attending them very sparingly for a few weeks, come back when you have attended more because the standards for the most part over the summer was amazing (and i wasn't even staff then, would you believe that?). You also have to take into account that there are a HUGE number of people who just joined events / are still on trial, do you honestly think they are going to be amazing right away. People are human, they make mistakes and so what if they do its A GAME.

[Ed.]

Sorry but saying events don't have high standards? Yes it isn't as rigid as something like news where me Sam and Laura scour articles for even the slightest details, but i was in events long enough that it has incredibly high standards, with things to do with staff being followed up highly appropriately, and the rules in place work very well, its just insulting to say they have poor standards tbh.

Where did I say they have poor standards. I said they don't have high standards, this could imply many different things regarding the standard. You say that there are rules in place, whereas Matt said that he can't control people. This sounds like two contrasting points. I'm suggesting that the rules be refined as there is too much favouritism and inconsistency. That is all I am looking to achieve.

I want everyone to be treated the same. You cannot honestly say to me that if a random Habbo came to a Habbox Event that they would be treated the same way as a friend or highly regarded Habbox user?

[sex]

Where did I say they have poor standards. I said they don't have high standards, this could imply many different things regarding the standard. You say that there are rules in place, whereas Matt said that he can't control people. This sounds like two contrasting points. I'm suggesting that the rules be refined as there is too much favouritism and inconsistency. That is all I am looking to achieve.

I want everyone to be treated the same. You cannot honestly say to me that if a random Habbo came to a Habbox Event that they would be treated the same way as a friend or highly regarded Habbox user?

I treat everyone the same, friends or not. God knows how many times i've kicked tara from my events if she wont leave and im so close to her and we've known each other for years. Again, you can hardly judge this seeing as you've attended about 0.1% of the events that have been hosted this year and therefore don't have a clear picture of the situation. You just seem buthurt that someone won and you didn't hahaha

[Samantha]

I treat everyone the same, friends or not. God knows how many times i've kicked tara from my events if she wont leave and im so close to her and we've known each other for years. Again, you can hardly judge this seeing as you've attended about 0.1% of the events that have been hosted this year and therefore don't have a clear picture of the situation. You just seem buthurt that someone won and you didn't hahaha

Sometimes I see you favouring, but I let it go as it happens once in a blue moon.

[e5]

Is it just me, or does anyone else agree, that if it was him that got disconnected, I think he'd beg to get let back in? Afterall, he was shouting SCAMMM, and if he wasnt to be let back in, I'm guessing he'd also shout scam. Double standards :P

[Ed.]

I treat everyone the same, friends or not. God knows how many times i've kicked tara from my events if she wont leave and im so close to her and we've known each other for years. Again, you can hardly judge this seeing as you've attended about 0.1% of the events that have been hosted this year and therefore don't have a clear picture of the situation. You just seem buthurt that someone won and you didn't hahaha

But from what I have attended, it doesn't seem so. The standard is fine, but I would have thought Habbox want to excel. I remember when I was part of the Events Team back in '09 and the events were excellent there with the rooms reaching the top of the busiest rooms on the whole of Habbo. We gained so many new users through them as we were welcoming and warm. I'm not saying this doesn't happen now I'm just saying the standard seems to have slipped slightly.


You can't say events don't have high standards when you've been attending them very sparingly for a few weeks, come back when you have attended more because the standards for the most part over the summer was amazing (and i wasn't even staff then, would you believe that?). You also have to take into account that there are a HUGE number of people who just joined events / are still on trial, do you honestly think they are going to be amazing right away. People are human, they make mistakes and so what if they do its A GAME.

I've attended a random sample of events. Now when you are analysing and reviewing things, you gather a random sample and that is increases the chances of it being representative. From what I have seen it seems to be friends of the hosts being favoured by them and being more involved. This is from the "0.1%" I have attended so clearly if I have attended this few events, it is on a much larger scale. I see that you are now retracting some of your earlier comments by declaring that people do make mistakes and I am fully aware of this - but people should be prepared to learn from their mistakes.


Is it just me, or does anyone else agree, that if it was him that got disconnected, I think he'd beg to get let back in? Afterall, he was shouting SCAMMM, and if he wasnt to be let back in, I'm guessing he'd also shout scam. Double standards :P

I don't really see the relevance of this to the whole situation. Obviously I know it's not a scam and I don't think I've ever begged to be let back in after disconnecting.

[LiquidLuck.]

Omg, this is still going on?? o.o

Ed., as you said, Habbo is a game. Just try to have fun. If you're not having fun as you're supposed to in Habbo, then just leave. That's not our/my (since it was my event) fault anymore.

Also if you think your events would be so much better, why don't you apply for the Department and let everyone else judge it? Times have changed and people also change. As an events player, you can be a pain in the butt for hosts. Yelling ''skem'' or ''riggued'' every single time and most times you're not even trying to joke about it. As you must figure out, this doesn't let Events Organisers in such a good mood.

e5; if the situation was the same, if he came into my room after d/cing and told me what had happened, without starting to shout and insult right away like he has done many times, I'd let him in like I did. If I do it to one person, I'll do it to everyone.

[Ed.]

Omg, this is still going on?? o.o

Ed., as you said, Habbo is a game. Just try to have fun. If you're not having fun as you're supposed to in Habbo, then just leave. That's not our/my (since it was my event) fault anymore.

Also if you think your events would be so much better, why don't you apply for the Department and let everyone else judge it? Times have changed and people also change. As an events player, you can be a pain in the butt for hosts. Yelling ''skem'' or ''riggued'' every single time and most times you're not even trying to joke about it. As you must figure out, this doesn't let Events Organisers in such a good mood.

@e5 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=30040); if the situation was the same, if he came into my room after d/cing and told me what had happened, without starting to shout and insult right away like he has done many times, I'd let him in like I did. If I do it to one person, I'll do it to everyone.

I have a lot of fun on Habbo and generally I enjoy Habbox events but I feel that my enjoyment is decreasing steadily. I don't feel that you should take it personally, it's not a reflection of you. It is a general point that I'm trying to make.

Also I actually worked for the Habbox Events Department for a long time but resigned when I stopped playing Habbo to concentrate on exams and I was a Senior Events Organiser as a matter of fact so I feel that I can deliver.

Also yelling "skem" is obviously a joke by nature of the spelling of the word, I feel that this shouldn't be taken so seriously and I apologise if you took this the wrong way. But the underlying feeling remains.

[LiquidLuck.]

I have a lot of fun on Habbo and generally I enjoy Habbox events but I feel that my enjoyment is decreasing steadily. I don't feel that you should take it personally, it's not a reflection of you. It is a general point that I'm trying to make.

Also I actually worked for the Habbox Events Department for a long time but resigned when I stopped playing Habbo to concentrate on exams and I was a Senior Events Organiser as a matter of fact so I feel that I can deliver.

Also yelling "skem" is obviously a joke by nature of the spelling of the word, I feel that this shouldn't be taken so seriously and I apologise if you took this the wrong way. But the underlying feeling remains.

In my events room and in the beginning of the thread, it really seemed that you were mainly posting this to attack me, or at least that was how I saw it.
And if you do think events could get better if you were part of the team, then apply. Show people how your events work and I'm sure some will make feedback threads about it and let you know what they think about it.

[Mathew]

I don't have anything else to add to this thread at the minute, but I just thought I'd address the part where you said I can't "control people". I have no intention of controlling people because this is a Habbo fansite not some kind of boot camp. I'd like to think people are better than that here! Never knew you were in events though... I've been in the department since February 2009 and don't remember you as an SEO! :P

[e5]

precisely. Niceness gets your further.

Omg, this is still going on?? o.o

Ed., as you said, Habbo is a game. Just try to have fun. If you're not having fun as you're supposed to in Habbo, then just leave. That's not our/my (since it was my event) fault anymore.

Also if you think your events would be so much better, why don't you apply for the Department and let everyone else judge it? Times have changed and people also change. As an events player, you can be a pain in the butt for hosts. Yelling ''skem'' or ''riggued'' every single time and most times you're not even trying to joke about it. As you must figure out, this doesn't let Events Organisers in such a good mood.

e5; if the situation was the same, if he came into my room after d/cing and told me what had happened, without starting to shout and insult right away like he has done many times, I'd let him in like I did. If I do it to one person, I'll do it to everyone.

[Ed.]

@Mathew (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=31230)

I'll refer you to this search:

http://www.habboxforum.com/search.php?searchid=1227007

When I said 09, I really meant 07 :P

I didn't think it was that long ago.

[LiquidLuck.]

precisely. Niceness gets your further.

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better.

[buttons]

Good old Mathew with his "my team are perfect and all complaints are invalid JUST BECAUSE" line

Problems do occur with events staff, and telling people that their experiences don't matter is not a solution
init how can he expect to improve his department to actually make it the best it can be rather than just say it is


You're an Events Organiser so of course you're going to try and back your department on this one. Frankly there is no need to try and insult me as that further weakens any argument that you may have had. The form of your rebuttle seems to be an attempt to belittle or bully which in fact has no content whatsoever. I believe in equality and fairness and I know that if I got disconnected I wouldn't be let back in and I wouldn't ask to be either.
agreed. this seems to happen with any staff (the insulting back because they can't handle criticism).

i get disconnected and i don't ask to be allowed back in because i think it's selfish and would rather let other people have a chance. i think it's ridiculous that people do ask to be asked back in because they can just play the next game and it causes disruption and holds everyone up. the only time i think it should be allowed is if they were in the final round then got disconnected.


You've never seen me at events before? Perhaps I don't attend every event and why should it matter how many events I do or don't attend. I do not believe that this makes me less important whatsoever as you are trying to imply.
+1


And in reply, no my life clearly isn't very boring considering I didn't attend Habbox events over the summer because I was actually at the real Olympic Games everyday.
+1



I apologise if I come across as "extreme" but I believe in fairness and equality and I will not rest until there is justice. I have strong integrity and morals about what is right and wrong and I feel that Habbox Events need to return to their former glory. Everyone is certainly NOT treated as equal. Comity verified this point earlier when he said that he had never even seen me before. People are judged by their reputation here which doesn't bode well for the future.
completely agreed and i've said it before, i had a disagreement with a few people in the help desk before and they were really rude to me calling me a 'noob' asking if i had a forum account so they could -rep me on it. i didn't give them my forum name but someone else did and suddenly they're apologizing and my best friend and said "why didn't you just say it was you". same when i was in the room and someone was talking bad about me from what they'd seen on the forum then when someone told her i was in the room and what my habbo name was she was all up my ass (this doesn't happen now lol and probably won't now i've said all this ;)). at the events, forum users and staff are treated SO much better. whenever i go on in a clone account ie when i'm banned, no-one talks to you even if you ask a question about how to play or anything about habbox. it's like a little clique. i've seen non-habboxers ask what habbox is etc or how to play and members get frustrated like "oh **** off" but if a member was to ask (such as old members who hardly ever use habbo and just came on for hxss) they'd explain for you. if you're not from habbox and you disconnect then ask to re-enter then it mostly falls on deaf ears. i've seen this happen often.

anyway im with ed but not all events are like this as it's not actually often people disconnect. i personally think rules should be if you disconnect you will just have to play in the next round instead or let them in first.

[Chippiewill]

Guys, ad hominem, that is pointing out he's taking it (subjectively) too seriously, is not a logical justified reason as to why his opinions and feedback should be disregarded.

In my opinion, rules across similar Habbox events should be relatively consistant to reduce ambiguity and therefore disputes between both parties.

[Ed.]

Guys, ad hominem, that is pointing out he's taking it (subjectively) too seriously, is not a logical justified reason as to why his opinions and feedback should be disregarded.

In my opinion, rules across similar Habbox events should be relatively consistant to reduce ambiguity and therefore disputes between both parties.

Yes, this is basically what I was trying to say by people bullying and belittling - it doesn't affect my argument at all.

[Grig]

Don't see the problem of the thread, it's feedback. Ed. has a good point and it's constancy. It's not a hard concept.

My view is that if you d/c, you shouldn't be let back in seeing as rounds would pass and your probability of winning would increase. It's not the Events Organizers faults if you have rubbish internet. Get a rebate and invest in a better connection.

[lawrawrrr]

Whilst I don't agree with some of the preposterous ideas or the blatant targeting I do think that some rules about consistency need to be introduced - such as whether spellings matter, walkthrough rules, letting people back in ETC ETC. I know during my time I always stuck to rules I'd like to play to - if someone barely missed a round they could come back in but if they missed a lot then they couldn't. At a recent event (I think possibly during HxSS or Olympics) someone missed about 5 or 6 rounds of DTTF and were let back in, kind of annoying.

[LiquidLuck.]

Whilst I don't agree with some of the preposterous ideas or the blatant targeting I do think that some rules about consistency need to be introduced - such as whether spellings matter, walkthrough rules, letting people back in ETC ETC. I know during my time I always stuck to rules I'd like to play to - if someone barely missed a round they could come back in but if they missed a lot then they couldn't. At a recent event (I think possibly during HxSS or Olympics) someone missed about 5 or 6 rounds of DTTF and were let back in, kind of annoying.

Writting all those rules would take too much time and EVEN after having them, I'm sure people wouldn't like them all so they would complain AGAIN. They are simple rules so we just follow our idk moral sense? About the example you just gave, if it was me hosting it, I'd have never let someone back in because that is indeed unfair and probably favoritism. But again if I host is favorising someone, that wouldn't be solved with rules as that's already a do not.

[lawrawrrr]

Writting all those rules would take too much time and EVEN after having them, I'm sure people wouldn't like them all so they would complain AGAIN. They are simple rules so we just follow our idk moral sense? About the example you just gave, if it was me hosting it, I'd have never let someone back in because that is indeed unfair and probably favoritism. But again if I host is favorising someone, that wouldn't be solved with rules as that's already a do not.

How difficult can it be? The manager decides whether spelling is allowed and if people can come back in. I could write them in about 10 seconds flat, it just makes it fair.... ofc people are going to complain, it's habbox, but at least it's fair. Not everyone has the same 'moral sense' that you do, and favour their friends.

[LiquidLuck.]

How difficult can it be? The manager decides whether spelling is allowed and if people can come back in. I could write them in about 10 seconds flat, it just makes it fair.... ofc people are going to complain, it's habbox, but at least it's fair. Not everyone has the same 'moral sense' that you do, and favour their friends.

But favouring someone is already against the rules. That is something everyone knows. That's the reason CC or Present Trap is not allowed. If someone does it, they should get a warning. It's all about the Events Organiser's discretion and try to follow the Handbook as much as possible.. S:

[Jurv]

i completely agree with laura;. i remember there being quite a few problems in regards to how certain games were played when i was manager and it would be a good idea if all rules were kept consistent in terms of spelling mistakes, people disconnecting and what-not. not only would it make it easier for the host, but it would make it easier for management dealing with these sort of complaints too. if rules were enforced and repeated before the event started where can you go wrong?

[FlyingJesus]

It's all about the Events Organiser's discretion and try to follow the Handbook as much as possible.. S:

...Which would be far easier for everyone (staff and clients alike) if such a handbook had set in stone rules regarding certain situations

[lawrawrrr]

But favouring someone is already against the rules. That is something everyone knows. That's the reason CC or Present Trap is not allowed. If someone does it, they should get a warning. It's all about the Events Organiser's discretion and try to follow the Handbook as much as possible.. S:
yes..... doesn't stop them doing it though? if there are set-in-stone rules then people who break them can be warned. atm organisers could favour friends and have nothing done about it, not being able to prove it!!


i completely agree with @laura (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=61966);. i remember there being quite a few problems in regards to how certain games were played when i was manager and it would be a good idea if all rules were kept consistent in terms of spelling mistakes, people disconnecting and what-not. not only would it make it easier for the host, but it would make it easier for management dealing with these sort of complaints too. if rules were enforced and repeated before the event started where can you go wrong?

it's less likely to bring complaints if the rules are the same for every event, unless an organiser breaks this (in which case they can be punished)

[LiquidLuck.]

yes..... doesn't stop them doing it though? if there are set-in-stone rules then people who break them can be warned. atm organisers could favour friends and have nothing done about it, not being able to prove it!!


But so could competitions or HxL in their own competitions.. I think that what should exist is like Managers checking up with clones on events to see how hosts treat them. S: Ik it's a lack of trust but at least less people from outside the Department would complain if those that need warnings get them.

[FlyingJesus]

Do you really believe that it would be easier to give management an extra role that actively requires them to attend each event "just in case" than it would be to implement new rules

[The Don]

test

OT; I have made numerous complaints and even PM'd the events manager with a screenshot where the host admitted they were not following the rules yet I didn't even receive a response

[Kardan]

test

OT; I have made numerous complaints and even PM'd the events manager with a screenshot where the host admitted they were not following the rules yet I didn't even receive a response

I've also PM'ed the events manager in the past with no response, and the reason I got from other staff members is 'He's new' (This was a few weeks ago) and 'We have better things to do with our time than reply to every little pathetic complaint we get', so I'm really not surprised by this. I also brought this up a few days ago, but nothing was said about the comments I got. There's not much use with complaining about events, nothing gets done.

[Grig]

Tom, Kardan and Don make the most sense. It's silly. You can ramble on with some crap, but the fact is this discretion is so out of place that quite a few events hosts simply use absolute dumb logic. Sadly, if this was an ideal world, everyone would have logic. But it's not, so there need to be some guidelines.

It's also sad that bias is involved, topped upon with some idiotic discrepancy. The icing of the cake is feedback cannot be taken it seems :s.

[Chippiewill]

I didn't even receive a response
PM matt if a manager doesn't respond to PMs within 7 days