Homophobic & Racist

[Aiden]

At my school they is a large number of GLBT (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender) students which get a hell lot of hassle and teachers don't care (It's a Cristian school). Although when someone who is black gets called the whole school is in shock and exclude any pupils involved.

My point is do you think that being Homophobic is as bad as being racist? To be honest I think it is, trying not to mean but black people at my school do take it too far.

Facts:

Two thirds (65%) of lesbian, gay and bisexual young people have experienced homophobic bullying at school. (Source NSPCC)
Teachers have a legal duty to ensure homophobic bullying is dealt with in schools. Under the Education and Inspections Act 2006 head teachers must, with the advice and guidance of governors and the assistance of school staff, identify and implement measures to promote good behaviour, respect for others and self discipline amongst pupils and to prevent all forms of bullying. (Source Stonewall)

[FlyingJesus]

I'm not sure about it being "as bad" as in affecting more areas as generally homosexuality isn't a visible trait while race is most of the time, but morally yes it's certainly not right to demean and attack people for something that they don't have any power over. Racism is seen as more damaging because of its history and because a lot more people are [insert race here] than gay, while homophobia is to a degree still institutionally and culturally accepted by a huge number of people in various ways

[Samantha]

I think it can be just as bad, think about it, if you're black you can't change that and you didn't make yourself that, same with being whichever sexuality you are. Calling someone black or more offensive words is verbal abuse, just like being verbally homophobic, just because it's not to do with their overall appearance (in some cases) why should it be any different? Oh I agree with what Tom said too though.

[Aiden]

I think it can be just as bad, think about it, if you're black you can't change that and you didn't make yourself that, same with being whichever sexuality you are. Calling someone black or more offensive words is verbal abuse, just like being verbally homophobic, just because it's not to do with their overall appearance (in some cases) why should it be any different?

Well when racism does happen at my school it is taken really seriously because the black people in my school are silly. I'm not racist, I just don't like the fact they take things so far. I will show you an example:

In my geography class the teacher told this boy (Named Elias) to shut up and she got superseded for 1 week just because his mum and dad came in to school. But what really gets me is that he's not bothered. Unlike the Gay people, they get called then cut themselves.

I know everyone will be like they just want attention but being called and pushed around does hurt. :'(

[Cerys]

Imo - It's still discriminating (if thats the right word) against an individual/group, so they're equally as bad.

The only difference is is that being coloured isn't a choice. You're forced to be like that whether you like it or not, unless your name is michael jackson. Whereas being homosexual is a choice that you make somewhere down the life.
If you insult someone because of these things, it's still insulting and being rude. Just as bad.

[Aiden]

Imo - It's still discriminating (if thats the right word) against an individual/group, so they're equally as bad.

The only difference is is that being coloured isn't a choice. You're forced to be like that whether you like it or not, unless your name is michael jackson. Whereas being homosexual is a choice that you make somewhere down the life.
If you insult someone because of these things, it's still insulting and being rude. Just as bad.

I'm aiming directly at schools. It's stereotypical but Black people are normally stronger and can handle these things but gay people are commonly less direct and will just take it.

Also you can't choice if you like a boy or girl, if it was that easy then why isn't everyone straight when it was illegal.

[Cerys]

I'm aiming directly at schools. It's stereotypical but Black people are normally stronger and can handle these things but gay people are commonly less direct and will just take it.

Also you can't choice if you like a boy or girl, if it was that easy then why isn't everyone straight when it was illegal.

Black people aren't normally stronger.. White people, black people, yellow people, they're all the same. Nothing different in strength or feelings etc.

[Aiden]

Black people aren't normally stronger.. White people, black people, yellow people, they're all the same. Nothing different in strength or feelings etc.

Well at my school the fastest and strongest are Black.

[Cerys]

Well at my school the fastest and strongest are Black.

Your school makes up for a VERY small proportion of the population.
Not all coloured people are the same.

[Aiden]

Your school makes up for a VERY small proportion of the population.
Not all coloured people are the same.

Well no one is but they are at my school, I'm going off what I know. I can't do any better then that.

[Cerys]

Well no one is but they are at my school, I'm going off what I know. I can't do any better then that.

I know.. but it's like saying that at my school all the people who drink redbull actually have wings, but it's not the same for the rest of the worldwide population. It only applies to my school, if you see what I mean. xD

[Aiden]

I know.. but it's like saying that at my school all the people who drink redbull actually have wings, but it's not the same for the rest of the worldwide population. It only applies to my school, if you see what I mean. xD

Not really but you must agree, when have you ever heard of a black pupil being beat up? Not collage or uni but school. Then think when have you heard of a transgender or gay pupil being bullied and hurt?

[Cerys]

Not really but you must agree, when have you ever heard of a black pupil being beat up? Not collage or uni but school. Then think when have you heard of a transgender or gay pupil being bullied and hurt?

I've seen both of these things occuring. Like I said before, I think they're both as bad as eachother as people are still being hurt and upset, no matter what their sexuality or colour is.

[Aiden]

I've seen both of these things occuring. Like I said before, I think they're both as bad as eachother as people are still being hurt and upset, no matter what their sexuality or colour is.

Do you feel an equal amount of care is put into both? I feel that racism is taken more seriously.

[FlyingJesus]

Well when racism does happen at my school it is taken really seriously because the black people in my school are silly. I'm not racist, I just don't like the fact they take things so far. I will show you an example:

In my geography class the teacher told this boy (Named Elias) to shut up and she got superseded for 1 week just because his mum and dad came in to school. But what really gets me is that he's not bothered. Unlike the Gay people, they get called then cut themselves.

I know everyone will be like they just want attention but being called and pushed around does hurt. :'(

I think you're totally misunderstanding what homophobia and racism actually are. Telling a kid to shut up isn't racist, but the teacher may have been reprimanded for victimising the guy. Also you're being racist and homophobic yourself by suggesting that no-one who's black actually cares about racism and that all the gay kids self harm


Imo - It's still discriminating (if thats the right word) against an individual/group, so they're equally as bad.

The only difference is is that being coloured isn't a choice. You're forced to be like that whether you like it or not, unless your name is michael jackson. Whereas being homosexual is a choice that you make somewhere down the life.
If you insult someone because of these things, it's still insulting and being rude. Just as bad.

Your main point is right ie: they both bad things but being gay is not a choice. It can be argued that it's down to the culmination of circumstances throughout one's life (which is what I and most people with an education believe) but that is nothing to do with choice - just like one doesn't actively choose to prefer football to rugby or whatever


Well at my school the fastest and strongest are Black.

Perhaps they've had better physical training than you? And regardless, using physical strength to suggest that certain schoolchildren can cope with -isms better is simply ridiculous. Emotional and physical strength are not linked


Not really but you must agree, when have you ever heard of a black pupil being beat up? Not collage or uni but school. Then think when have you heard of a transgender or gay pupil being bullied and hurt?

Coming from a place where I literally had ONE black guy in my entire high school (out of around 800-900 kids at the time) even I can say that I have heard of a black pupil being attacked. Your singular experiences do not overwrite entire cultural attitudes

[Aiden]

I think you're totally misunderstanding what homophobia and racism actually are. Telling a kid to shut up isn't racist, but the teacher may have been reprimanded for victimising the guy. Also you're being racist and homophobic yourself by suggesting that no-one who's black actually cares about racism and that all the gay kids self harm



Your main point is right ie: they both bad things but being gay is not a choice. It can be argued that it's down to the culmination of circumstances throughout one's life (which is what I and most people with an education believe) but that is nothing to do with choice - just like one doesn't actively choose to prefer football to rugby or whatever



Perhaps they've had better physical training than you? And regardless, using physical strength to suggest that certain schoolchildren can cope with -isms better is simply ridiculous. Emotional and physical strength are not linked



Coming from a place where I literally had ONE black guy in my entire high school (out of around 800-900 kids at the time) even I can say that I have heard of a black pupil being attacked. Your singular experiences do not overwrite entire cultural attitudes

Okay. I didn't say ALL self harm, some do. Once again I'm going off my own experiences. I can't debate or talk about things I don't see. Your most probably older then me and live in the REAL world so you know more. :/

[Cerys]

Your main point is right ie: they both bad things but being gay is not a choice. It can be argued that it's down to the culmination of circumstances throughout one's life (which is what I and most people with an education believe) but that is nothing to do with choice - just like one doesn't actively choose to prefer football to rugby or whatever



Haha I think you're saying I don't have an education, aren't you? :)

By choice I meant what you said really. The type of people they associate themselves with can be one factor, or from their parents choice: their upbringing.

[FlyingJesus]

Okay. I didn't say ALL self harm, some do. Once again I'm going off my own experiences. I can't debate or talk about things I don't see. Your most probably older then me and live in the REAL world so you know more. :/

If you can't debate or talk about things you don't see then you won't get very far. There are things known as research and logic which are very useful to employ before blindly making assumptions that demonise an entire race


Haha I think you're saying I don't have an education, aren't you? :)

By choice I meant what you said really. The type of people they associate themselves with can be one factor, or from their parents choice: their upbringing.

Oh it wasn't meant to look QUITE that harsh lol, I meant people with an education in that field, rather than in general :P

[Cerys]

Oh it wasn't meant to look QUITE that harsh lol, I meant people with an education in that field, rather than in general :P

Lol ;P
Yeah we don't really get taught about this subject alot in school soo.. they mainly say 'dont be raicist or homophobic'.

[MKR&*42]

Both as bad as each other yes, I wouldn't like to categorise types of discrimination on how harmful they are really. All types (inc. Homophobia and Racism) are equally emotionally damaging. I do agree that *from what I've heard* a lot of schools don't do anything about the issue tbh.

My school was very reluctant on severely punishing any people - the only thing that equalled permanent exclusion was selling drugs really. Homophobia/Racism is maybe 2 days exclusion and then allowed back to school, it's ridiculous.

[Gibs960]

Generally teachers don't care about homophobic behaviour, just from experience. I got bullied quite bad for being gay, cos I act a bit camp and my parents told the deputy head and she said "it happens round here, but I'll speak to the people involved" months later she still hadn't spoken to them and it still goes on but not as bad. I think people look at racism as a lot worse because we are taught what an impact racism can have (slave trade, discrimination of blacks) but we never actually look into the effects of homophobic bullying and it leads to ignorance.

We've never been taught about homosexuality at all within school or anything along those lines but in my opinion we should be taught about it in PSHE or history or whatever.

[dbgtz]

All types of discrimination is equal in my opinion, it's just then to the extent of which they are discriminated should be what jusitifies something being worse. The only difference with racism compared to anything else is history and that's why for a good X years it will still be considered a much more hateful act.

[Kardan]

Racism is equal to homophobic abuse in my eyes - if you say that homophobic abuse isn't as bad because it is not a visible trait, then surely abuse for ginger haired people is worse than homophobic abuse? I don't think so :P

[Matthew]

Not really but you must agree, when have you ever heard of a black pupil being beat up? Not collage or uni but school. Then think when have you heard of a transgender or gay pupil being bullied and hurt?

What a stupid thing to say :P. You're just generalising groups of people based on your own knowledge probably of only a couple of people...

[Ellz]

I used to get bullied for being gay but i don't so much anymore becuase im in year 13 so most people are grown up about it but there are still the odd few but i'm used to it.

I get where you're coming from that we don't get taught about it at school or whatever and i kinda agree tbh

[Catchy]

I'm 1/4 black and gay woah I must be ******. Can't really speak of any personal experiences because I'd say I've never been properly bullied. I can see Aidens about black people just using racism as an excuse but like cerys said, it doesn't make a difference really everyone is the same and people take things in different ways. If someone attempts at being homophobic/racist to me I can honestly say it doesn't get to me that much and I can laugh it off.

[Charz777]

Of course they are just as equal. Abuse about a person's race, sexuality, religion or anything really is all the same. What differs is the exremity of it. A one off name-call in an angry debate is much less worse than constant bullying over it every day, or example.

[The Don]

what a silly thread. no type of discrimination is worse than any other, it's the extent as to how far the discrimination goes which can be compared.

Your thread is full of stereotypes and minor discriminating behaviour anyway, pretty ironic.

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Well when racism does happen at my school it is taken really seriously because the black people in my school are silly. I'm not racist, I just don't like the fact they take things so far. I will show you an example:

In my geography class the teacher told this boy (Named Elias) to shut up and she got superseded for 1 week just because his mum and dad came in to school. But what really gets me is that he's not bothered. Unlike the Gay people, they get called then cut themselves.

I know everyone will be like they just want attention but being called and pushed around does hurt. :'(

Bolded is just an example of you stereotyping

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Not really but you must agree, when have you ever heard of a black pupil being beat up? Not collage or uni but school. Then think when have you heard of a transgender or gay pupil being bullied and hurt?

Yeh, i've literally never heard of any black person being the victim of violence :rolleyes:

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm aiming directly at schools. It's stereotypical but Black people are normally stronger and can handle these things but gay people are commonly less direct and will just take it.

Also you can't choice if you like a boy or girl, if it was that easy then why isn't everyone straight when it was illegal.

No, but the difference between dislike or hatred of homosexuality (not 'homophobia') and racism is that homosexual activity is at least a behaviour choice, whereas the colour somebodies skin isn't a choice and has no bearing on their moral being.


Racism is equal to homophobic abuse in my eyes - if you say that homophobic abuse isn't as bad because it is not a visible trait, then surely abuse for ginger haired people is worse than homophobic abuse? I don't think so

The same as above, both differ in that homosexual acts (which is the thing many people find distasteful or wrong) are a choice.

[Kardan]

No, but the difference between dislike or hatred of homosexuality (not 'homophobia') and racism is that homosexual activity is at least a behaviour choice, whereas the colour somebodies skin isn't a choice and has no bearing on their moral being.



The same as above, both differ in that homosexual acts (which is the thing many people find distasteful or wrong) are a choice.

Only if you believe that Homosexuality is a choice, and even if you do - it doesn't make homophobic abuse any less bad.

[Richie]

your all gay and black

O/T: No matter what insult is hurled at one an insult is an insult at the end of the day. So yes they're both as bad as one another but anything remotely racist is always going to be blown out of context over something like someones sexuality. Then again these days gays make a fuss out of anything when the reality is no-one actually gives a damn if they like willy or not.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Only if you believe that Homosexuality is a choice, and even if you do - it doesn't make homophobic abuse any less bad.

No, again you confuse them both - homosexual acts (which many people oppose) are a choice.

[dirrty]

jesus, go away with all this oppression olympics. any sort of discrimination should be dealt with accordingly. no point trying to argue that discriminating against one group of people is worse than discriminating against another group of people because what does that actually achieve? nothing. does it actually matter?. instead, institutions should discourage all their members, students, employees, etc. from being offensive towards others, especially when its based upon characteristics that one can't control. obviously that is easier said than done, as it's more or less impossible to actually do that, but arguments like "being racist is worse!" is basically irrelevant. but hey, we don't live in a utopian society, so y'all carry on with the stereotypical drivel some of you a spewing like gospel...lol.

[Sian]

Equally as bad, both are highly discriminatory for something they're born as.

[Explorator]

I personally do think homophobia is bad, some people like strong Christians think being gay is wrong, i suppose no one can really determine if homophobia is as bad as racism because some people have been brought up to believe that being gay is wrong (or a sin). But in the bible it has no reason of saying why it is wrong. I suppose Racism and Homophobia are both as bad as each other because they are both discriminating someone for who they are or what they are born like. (I apologize if this post has offended anyone) it is my personal opinion towards this topic.

[CigaretteBirdie]

Ah, I agree with some of what's been said, at my school, though nothing is said to the actual faces of those who are perhaps Bi ect, there is a lot of discussion behind their backs, rumors..and little digs about people, which is totally unnecessary. It's no one's business what sexuality a person is, and if someone does happen to be gay or bi or whatever, then it should have nothing to do with how a person is treated. A person should be treated on their personality and how they treat others, not simple things like what type of person they look to have a relationship with. -.-
The world is changing all the time, Homophobics need to learn this fact and move on with their life - people are people, so what if their different.

[magnalolkk]

I answered this on air :D

[sammy]

yes both are just as bad

[myles]

just get some balls

[Gibs960]

I think I've figured out why nothing gets done around here about homophobia. It's like when the slave trade was going on, it was the norm, only a small minority actually objected. So round here, it goes on so much that no one objects to it because it's the norm.

There are also two middle schools in my town and one is obviously more homophobic and racist than the other, don't really know why because they're not much further away but yeah! :D

[Yawn]

skandair i think ur ignorant