Protocols not being followed

[Richie]

Before I start. I purposely posted this thread in public to show how flawed things really are. This isn't just about the habboxlive departments it happens with forum rules at times too. If I offend anyone, apologize in advance. Before jealousy is brought up, I wouldn't have time to be head dj, hence why I stepped down a month or so ago. I'm not attacking anyone, just pointing out the obvious.


Sadly, -LegendSpeeD (DJ Samuel) and AliceVictorius (DJ Wonderland) have failed their trials at HabboxLive but we wish them the best of luck in the future.

However, on a brighter note the following have passed their trials and are now full Radio DJs:


BlueCookie ( DJBlueCookie)
DJDoyle (DJ Doyle)
ForgetMe86 (DJ Forget)
DJFresh01 (DJFresh)


Also, Shockwave.2cc (DJ Hurricane) and Maggots (DJ Woodsy) are now Head DJs at HabboxLive managing Team Alpha and Team Delta respectively.

Well done and sorry!

Awaits the feedback thread on Maggots moving up (I joke).

Kyle got head :O. Well done to you both especially!


In other news, the Guest DJ role has been discontinued. This means that while the current Guest DJs are allowed to stay until they resign or fired, no more will replace them. Guest DJs will not be considered for promotion.



Maggots (DJ Woodsy) is now Head DJ at HabboxLive managing Team Alpha


It's none of my business but as you know I'm not one to sit back and watch protocols set in place be bypassed. Rules are rules, no matter who you are you should abide by them. I find it unfair that the other senior djs weren't offered the position, instead a regular dj got offered a promotion over them. Reading above Mike did state guest djs would no longer be considered for promotion. Yes, Maggots was a regular DJ but those who believe she left the Guest DJ role without any knowledge of being offered the position as a head DJ, stop kidding yourself. Not to mention she was only a regular DJ for a week and did absolutely nothing to be considered for the position. Habboxlive really isn't going to work like this, from my opinion anyway. Everything in the department seems to be a click. Maggots was only reconsidered as a head DJ because from my opinion both of her and jades friendship. I thought favouritism was a thing of the past. The only excuse that could be brought forward to why the other seniors weren't promoted is because they're relatively new, which is a load of crap as Jade had no problem climbing the ladder. I personally believe Elliot would have made a great head DJ, he's older, sensible, a fresh person to put into a higher role and the most important thing is, he actually is one of habboxlives better DJs. I understand both Mike and perhaps even Matt are pretty close to both of these so I wouldn't expect them not to be bias. Things have went ahead, rules were abused but now things really need clearing up, it's ridiculous, if rules aren't going to be followed or be abused can you please not put them into action or notify the user that they can't do this.


Just to add, I do believe it's a 'click'. In recent threads I said this to Jade prior to her becoming manager.


If you didn't care about getting radio manager over Gina when I mentioned in my previous post 'why not make Jade and Gina both managers' you would have replied positively rather than negatively. Which also adds some doubt. Ah well time will tell. Best not go too much off topic so I'll end our little debate here :P.


To be honest i dont even think i deserve it probably for the reason many will say that I shouldn't get it too. The person who i think genuinely deserved it and I believe Gina would agree isn't even a head. And the reason I don't agree with the Gina and jade thing is because there really isn't a need for two managers. The other departments cope fine with the manager and assistant roles. Hxl shouldn't be an exception.

Which was obviously in reference to maggots. Just to add, congrats to shockwave, well deserved.

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[Calvin]

Yeah I was wondering that earlier, how on earth did someone go from a regular DJ to head DJ in four days?!

[Jazz]

its not my place to say really, but i refuse to believe this was anything to do with mine and jades friendship, she also has te same friendships with jas and elliot.. so if it was based on friendship she could of picked any. im not going to deny that i am not deserving of this position, because
im not in all honesty but she obviously picked me for a reason. probably because ive been helping her with management of the website, helping out new trialists and writing stuff up for her whilst in the guest/reg dj position an since gina abruptly resigned.

[Richie]

Yeah I was wondering that earlier, how on earth did someone go from a regular DJ to head DJ in four days?!

Becoming regular dj was just a way for them to bypass the rule, that's my point :P

[Inseriousity.]

Hey Richie,

The rule was not broken as she was not a Guest DJ when she was promoted regardless of how long she was a regular DJ for. Personally, I would've made her climb up the ranks again but promotions below assistant manager are decided by the manager and it is up to them to choose how they see fit. If you would like to ask her for her reasoning behind Jazz's promotion and/or why other DJs were overlooked then you are free to do so. :)

Just copying my PM reply here.

[Richie]

Hey Richie,

The rule was not broken as she was not a Guest DJ when she was promoted regardless of how long she was a regular DJ for. Personally, I would've made her climb up the ranks again but promotions below assistant manager are decided by the manager and it is up to them to choose how they see fit. If you would like to ask her for her reasoning behind Jazz's promotion and/or why other DJs were overlooked then you are free to do so. :)

Just copying my PM reply here.

That's pretty strange Mike. I was just having a chat with Jade on messenger and she openly admitted she brought maggots back as a regular dj just so she could promote her. Hmm, someone is telling fibs.

[Foregetfuhl]

I have my reasons. I needed someone there who felt as much passion for HabboxLive. I am not going to say that Elliot, Jas and GeeGee aren't fantastic Seniors but at this point in time I need someone who knows the department inside out and will continue to go with what is needed and how to improve it. I know she will help Kyle and Kyle will probably help her too. It has nothing to do with my friendship with Jazz, if anything I speak to Elliot and Jas more than I speak to Jazz.

And I am not saying it is because the seniors we have at the moment are to new at all. I know I was an exception to that yeah big woop but if you could see the happenings behind HxL you would understand my decision and I spoke to GM prior to doing so yesterday because I know exactly what I need in that position and I knew that Jazz if she accepted would be able to offer it despite only just coming back full time. You should be glad that HxL has head DJs now who are willing to work hard and will continue with making sure HxL improves rather than goes down.

I've done what I think is right for the department in the shape its in right now. When I was a trialist/reg DJ Jazz was the best thing for me. She helped me, settled me, set up my Sam and did everything that she could to make sure I was happy and coping. That is what trialists DJs need and that is what regular DJs need right now.

[Calvin]

I have my reasons. I needed someone there who felt as much passion for HabboxLive. I am not going to say that Elliot, Jas and GeeGee aren't fantastic Seniors but at this point in time I need someone who knows the department inside out and will continue to go with what is needed and how to improve it. I know she will help Kyle and Kyle will probably help her too. It has nothing to do with my friendship with Jazz, if anything I speak to Elliot and Jas more than I speak to Jazz.

And I am not saying it is because the seniors we have at the moment are to new at all. I know I was an exception to that yeah big woop but if you could see the happenings behind HxL you would understand my decision and I spoke to GM prior to doing so because I know exactly what I need in that position and I knew that Jazz if she accepted would be able to offer it. You should be glad that HxL has head DJs now who are willing to work hard and will continue with making sure HxL improves rather than goes down.

I've done what I think is right for the department in the shape its in right now. When I was a trialist/reg DJ Jazz was the best thing for me. She helped me, settled me, set up my Sam and did everything that she could to make sure I was happy and coping. That is what trialists DJs need and that is what regular DJs need right now.As far as I believe, Jazz is the one that was previously a Head DJ (maybe Asst Manager too) right? If she was better than any of the other two available for the position then she could have changed the department while she had the chance to before stepping down and returning a month or two later.

Sometimes it helps if you have some fresh faces with new ideas on board rather than recycling previous head staff. But oh well, what done is done! :P

[David]

hasn't she been head dj like 3 times and resigned?
I'll give it 2 months, max.

I'll agree with calvin on the new faces thing

[Foregetfuhl]

As far as I believe, Jazz is the one that was previously a Head DJ (maybe Asst Manager too) right? If she was better than any of the other two available for the position then she could have changed the department while she had the chance to before stepping down.

Sometimes it helps if you have some fresh faces with new ideas on board rather than recycling previous head staff. But oh well, what done is done! :P

Yeah but it depends on the people who are the fresh faces if you decide on what to do. We have a fresh face in Kyle and an old one in Jazz which is a happy medium to make sure that it runs smoothly. She was a Head DJ and she resigned as she felt she had no time but in fact she was still on exactly the same amount and has regretted resigning ever since except for the fact that I went up she was happy to see someone on so much doing so much I guess? She did loads in the department before stepping down though, she did staff bondings, in department competitions, continuously helped djs, went on air regularly etc.etc.

[Richie]

I wouldn't have an argument if the rule wasn't in place. To sum up the whole argument I'm just extremely annoyed that a manager, someone that is meant to set an example would go out of their way to find a route they could take which bypasses the rule. If you think I'm going to believe all this malarkey about her genuenly returning as a regular dj then just coincidently being promoted you best pull the other one.

[lawrawrrr]

Although the circumstances circling the promotion are iffy, end of the day, Jade is a new manager and needs people who knows how the department works. Jazz has had that role before, and I do agree she's the best person for the job.

It's like when a manager quits and an old manager is brought in (Martin for news or Hollie for comps - 2 examples I can think of at the moment). It's just good sense.

[Foregetfuhl]

Although the circumstances circling the promotion are iffy, end of the day, Jade is a new manager and needs people who knows how the department works. Jazz has had that role before, and I do agree she's the best person for the job.

It's like when a manager quits and an old manager is brought in (Martin for news or Hollie for comps - 2 examples I can think of at the moment). It's just good sense.

I've only been at HxL for 3 months I don't know everything about HxL. I know most stuff not all.. Jazz has been here for 2 years and knows it like the back of her hand. Shes a real asset and the best that was up for grabs for the position. I stand by my decision.

[lawrawrrr]

I've only been at HxL for 3 months I don't know everything about HxL. I know most stuff not all.. Jazz has been here for 2 years and knows it like the back of her hand. Shes a real asset and the best that was up for grabs for the position. I stand by my decision.

100% agree with you - I was trying to say this but you took the words out of my mouth (head) :) It's not like over her 'guest' spot she didn't do anything, she was still doing the same amount as a normal dj. Personally I think the guest bit should be removed if guest DJs aren't allowed any more. I think there's only one left anyway?

[Foregetfuhl]

100% agree with you - I was trying to say this but you took the words out of my mouth (head) :) It's not like over her 'guest' spot she didn't do anything, she was still doing the same amount as a normal dj. Personally I think the guest bit should be removed if guest DJs aren't allowed any more. I think there's only one left anyway?

We have three guest djs I think? one proper one and two like there just there for like looks? I guess? LOL I don't really know. End of the day Jazz has been saying she wanted to go back up to regular DJ for over a month and finally decided to go up about a week ago and I decided on the new Heads yesterday. Simple as really.

[xxMATTGxx]

What a cockup this seems to be - What do I mean by that? Well it seems the whole moving from Guest DJ > Regular DJ > Head DJ in a matter of days/hours does seem messy and also iffy at the same time.

Let's get rid of the stuff about Jazz not being fit to do the role and all of that goodness. She can do the role and probably do it quite effective which is what Jade was wanting. She was wanting someone with the experience and knowledge so that they can help around in managing the department. That's fine, no problems there. They also have someone new to the Head DJ role and that is Kyle - Nothing wrong with that and I don't believe this thread even mentions it.

It's quite clear that the whole moving to a regular DJ was to bypass some sort of rule that was put into place that stopped promotions from happening for anyone who was a Guest DJ. To get out of that you need to be a normal DJ or in one of the other roles which is what has happened here. You move the person to the role where you can get promoted and then give the promotion.

Is that wrong? Well it can look wrong from certain people but if it needs to be done, it needs to be done. But I personally believe it would have probably been better to wait longer before actually giving the Head DJ promotion to them as obvious people aren't stupid and it's going to be noticeable. That way she's been a regular DJ for so long, put the time and effort into that and then give her the Head DJ.

Leaving it for a while would have been a better and safe option and wouldn't cause any problems with other people most likely. Doing it this quick causes threads and PM's like this and then just shows how messy the situation is. Do remember this is my opinion on the situation.

Now all I can say now is: Let's hope they do a bloody good job in the roles they have been given.

[Andii]

Yeah I was wondering that earlier, how on earth did someone go from a regular DJ to head DJ in four days?!

Tbh I have to agree with this Richie and I can back you up, I've seen it happen in rare values aswell with Samanfa and Pigperson, in a week he went from rare values reporter to assistant manager, whereas others should have got a promotion instead but because Sam and will are such good friends this made it look more of a 'click' aswell.

but have to agree big time on this I rarely listen to Habboxlive as its hot boring now apart from a few djs and some deserve in my opinion a promotion rather than others, it's not fair on people who have worked and been in the department alot more to not get at least recognised for donating their time to the department instead of just ignored because someone's friend is in it.

[GommeInc]

If they're right for the job then perfect. It seems the reasoning is that she's useful with setting up the appropriate tools, knows how things are done and works well with the Manager. Best to have a perfectly fitting cog in a system. Blindly following rules does not need to apply if the outcome of the "avoidance" is genuinely useful and honest. If she's more capable and has proven her worth in the past, then why should it matter? If you're relying on the argument that "rules are rules" then you're de facto saying you have no actual reason. Actual reasoning behind an argument is better than a blind technicality.

It's like bringing in a fresh face or a properly qualified person to be in charge of HRM. It would be insane to put someone else in place if they're not very good from a management point of view just for the sake of not hurting the feelings of some select individuals.

[Samantha]

Tbh I have to agree with this Richie and I can back you up, I've seen it happen in rare values aswell with Samanfa and Pigperson, in a week he went from rare values reporter to assistant manager, whereas others should have got a promotion instead but because Sam and will are such good friends this made it look more of a 'click' aswell.

but have to agree big time on this I rarely listen to Habboxlive as its hot boring now apart from a few djs and some deserve in my opinion a promotion rather than others, it's not fair on people who have worked and been in the department alot more to not get at least recognised for donating their time to the department instead of just ignored because someone's friend is in it.

I'll be honest with you, if James did accurate values he would have been Assistant Manager in a flash. However, week after week I was denying about 3/4 of his values and sorry I shouldn't ask for him to be promoted if his accuracy is bad it's just not ethical really. I see where you're coming from but he shouldn't have been promoted (yeah in the future he could have been, not disputing that) if his accuracy improved that is. With Will it was quick and maybe wasn't the best option but I did need someone then and to some, like you, James, Lee etc. it looked like I was promoting my friends.

However, it really wasn't the case as I had asked for someone else to be the Assistant well before Will was in the picture - I wanted someone new (hence Luke didn't get it but James wasn't fit at the time).

I understand why Jade promoted Jazz, yeah it was quick but really did anyone moan when people such as Nicola could come back as high as a Super Moderator whereas people like Catzsy (who is an absolutely fantastic moderator) had to work at it and was a normal moderator for ages. If you need someone it's either promote someone who can do the job or leave, it's happened before it could have happened again then. Think how Jade feels, she got ditched by Gina, Gina is now a traitor at HFFM and Jade needed someone reliable!

[Jas,]

To be honest all I'm seeing is people complain all the time about changes that happen. I personally think all the changes are for the best and the amount of work jades putting in is just unbelievable and amazing. Most of you just love picking on people by speaking about the things that don't go so well but no one ever seems to talk about all the good things that have happened , New DJ's being brought in , Site being updated after god knows how long, People who need to be fired are being fired and slowly it's all coming together yes it takes time and work. It's not an easy thing so to be honest I think Jade and the others that are actually helping out are amazing and I thank them a lot for all the work they're doing and I personally want to stay down at Senior for a bit longer and I'm glad Jazz has gone up.

[Richie]

I'll be honest with you, if James did accurate values he would have been Assistant Manager in a flash. However, week after week I was denying about 3/4 of his values and sorry I shouldn't ask for him to be promoted if his accuracy is bad it's just not ethical really. I see where you're coming from but he shouldn't have been promoted (yeah in the future he could have been, not disputing that) if his accuracy improved that is. With Will it was quick and maybe wasn't the best option but I did need someone then and to some, like you, James, Lee etc. it looked like I was promoting my friends.

However, it really wasn't the case as I had asked for someone else to be the Assistant well before Will was in the picture - I wanted someone new (hence Luke didn't get it) but James wasn't fit at the time).

I understand why Jade promoted Jazz, yeah it was quick but really did anyone moan when people such as Nicola could come back as high as a Super Moderator whereas people like Catzsy (who is an absolutely fantastic moderator) had to work at it and was a normal moderator for ages. If you need someone it's either promote someone who can do the job or leave, it's happened before it could have happened again then. Think how Jade feels, she got ditched by Gina, Gina is now a traitor at HFFM and Jade needed someone reliable!


Without sounding childish, I don't blame her. I can't imagine the atmosphere being any worse over there as it's merely impossible. If you could see the staff forums you'd know what I mean. It's just a giant ***** fest. You could argue this is causing drama but I'm just saying it straight out, I wouldn't have argued about maggots getting promoted wrongly, if the rule wasn't in place. My only problem was Jade going around the rule when it was put into action for good reason, what's the point in having rules if we don't follow them or try to bypass them? :P. Anyway, what's done is done, lets hope she puts in the full whack.

[FlyingJesus]

Frankly whoever is best suited to a position should have it. The one time I took up work at Hx I went from trialist to manager in like 2 weeks and it wasn't because I was especially loved by the top guns (Jin for some reason despises me and has apparently blocked me from getting other positions that I'd have been suited for) but because I was willing and able to fill the role. There's no sense in making promotions happen solely on a queue system of whoever's "next in line" having it, because to put it bluntly some people are better at leading and some are fantastically well suited for grunt work and following orders, and I'm sure no-one wants to see ineffective management simply for the sake of some false equality idea

[Andii]

I'll be honest with you, if James did accurate values he would have been Assistant Manager in a flash. However, week after week I was denying about 3/4 of his values and sorry I shouldn't ask for him to be promoted if his accuracy is bad it's just not ethical really. I see where you're coming from but he shouldn't have been promoted (yeah in the future he could have been, not disputing that) if his accuracy improved that is. With Will it was quick and maybe wasn't the best option but I did need someone then and to some, like you, James, Lee etc. it looked like I was promoting my friends.

However, it really wasn't the case as I had asked for someone else to be the Assistant well before Will was in the picture - I wanted someone new (hence Luke didn't get it but James wasn't fit at the time).

I understand why Jade promoted Jazz, yeah it was quick but really did anyone moan when people such as Nicola could come back as high as a Super Moderator whereas people like Catzsy (who is an absolutely fantastic moderator) had to work at it and was a normal moderator for ages. If you need someone it's either promote someone who can do the job or leave, it's happened before it could have happened again then. Think how Jade feels, she got ditched by Gina, Gina is now a traitor at HFFM and Jade needed someone reliable!

tbh if I was Gina I would have went to Hffm, they have a better radio now, I would tune into them more than Habboxlive,

and Jas all the changes are for the best??? Not what I heard, I remember hearing Martin having to cover for djs mission slots, also I've heard a few swear words on songs being plays and also the quality of some of the djs at Habbox a bit poor with alot of static and background noise making it hard to hear. Explain how all these changes are for the best???

[Richie]

Frankly whoever is best suited to a position should have it. The one time I took up work at Hx I went from trialist to manager in like 2 weeks and it wasn't because I was especially loved by the top guns (Jin for some reason despises me and has apparently blocked me from getting other positions that I'd have been suited for) but because I was willing and able to fill the role. There's no sense in making promotions happen solely on a queue system of whoever's "next in line" having it, because to put it bluntly some people are better at leading and some are fantastically well suited for grunt work and following orders, and I'm sure no-one wants to see ineffective management simply for the sake of some false equality idea

Which I don't have a problem with if seniors aren't more capable for the job. The whole thread is about Mike introducing a rule that guest djs can't be promoted, so to promote maggots they had to go around the rule by making her regular dj then promoting her. If Jade didn't agree with the rule and wanted to promote maggots she should have told Mike that she didn't agree with rule rather than pussyfooting around it.

[FlyingJesus]

It's a daft rule anyway since "guest DJ" is basically just a normal DJ without reports and requirements as far as I can tell, and if people can be brought in from not having any role at all to being a senior staff member or even manager as has happened before then it makes no sense for there to be this rule. In essence it means that someone like me with no DJ experience at all could in theory become Head DJ overnight but someone who has a passion for it and has been working the role casually for a long time can't

This is why I should be staff AGM cough cough

[Foregetfuhl]

tbh if I was Gina I would have went to Hffm, they have a better radio now, I would tune into them more than Habboxlive,

and Jas all the changes are for the best??? Not what I heard, I remember hearing Martin having to cover for djs mission slots, also I've heard a few swear words on songs being plays and also the quality of some of the djs at Habbox a bit poor with alot of static and background noise making it hard to hear. Explain how all these changes are for the best???

All the seniors DJs are there to pick up these and make us aware to therefore make the DJs aware if they have any show issues. Same if DJs miss slots or what not. All we can do about djs with static and background noise is give them feedback and help to improve them and continuously remind them of ways to not have these sorts of issues when on air. And that is what I am constantly doing with DJs that need that help.

[Andii]

All the seniors DJs are there to pick up these and make us aware to therefore make the DJs aware if they have any show issues. Same if DJs miss slots or what not. All we can do about djs with static and background noise is give them feedback and help to improve them and continuously remind them of ways to not have these sorts of issues when on air. And that is what I am constantly doing with DJs that need that help.

at least make a rule or something so that it can be resolved like 3 warnings for the noise, it's what puts me ad others I would say off the most, great songs and music playing then Bam headphones deafin ye with the screaming of someone I. Ye background.

[Foregetfuhl]

at least make a rule or something so that it can be resolved like 3 warnings for the noise, it's what puts me ad others I would say off the most, great songs and music playing then Bam headphones deafin ye with the screaming of someone I. Ye background.

I'll speak to Mike about that.. but the other thing I said about was thrown out the window as it was seen as harsh.. But a 3 warning system for show issues relating to bad quality shows could up the quality possibly? And isn't really seen as harsh then? There is an amazing thread Richie made about buffer settings and that has helped a lot of DJs with there funny microphones and obviously we are on hand when they are actually DJing incase they need our help.

[Grig]

Jazz was a good choice, Kyle is risky. Just calling it as it is, sorry if it offends anyone. I would have probably promoted that Elliot chap.

Lots of current senior DJs aren't ready for Head. Heck, I can see one person who's not even ready for senior DJ.

I will back Jade up on this decision, as it needs a capable pair of hands. Of course she became radio DJ to become Head later, doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. As for her being a guest DJ, she should have been never been one. I don't know why she was allowed to enter such a position.

Also, I agree with Richie on being consistent on regulations. Why the hell was Martin stuck in as a guest, AFTER the position was discontinued. Sure, quietly stick him in, but people will realize. Also, why stick a Guest DJ in who doesn't even speak. I love Martin, he's a lovely chap, but I fully disagree with this decision. It was silly and made no sense, might as well get an auto DJ.

[Jazz]

As far as I believe, Jazz is the one that was previously a Head DJ (maybe Asst Manager too) right? If she was better than any of the other two available for the position then she could have changed the department while she had the chance to before stepping down and returning a month or two late

Sometimes it helps if you have some fresh faces with new ideas on board rather than recycling previous head staff. But oh well, what done is done! :P

i didnt have the chance too before, thats the point. whilst i was haead dj i was under a manager who wouldnt listen to my ideas and when i tried putting them into play i was frowned apon.


hasn't she been khead dj like 3 times and resigned?
I'll give it 2 months, max.

I'll agree with calvin on the new faces thing

1st time resig: exams (was there a year before resigning)
2nd time resig: health problems (was there 6 months before resigning)

i havent partically been resigning constanty, and im better now and i dont have exams so
i will be here alot longer then 2 months.

[Aiden]

Either Jas will get Assistant Manager because he was the best senior DJ and I have no idea how someone who had been a DJ for a few days got Head. Jazz is really dedicated but yeh, so was Jas. Makes no sense, I don't even want to talk about the Guest going to Normal DJ's and stuff like that because when I do I get told to shutup in a way or form. ;)

[CrazyLemurs]

Did you even have to promote one of the seniors?
It's perfectly plausible to invite old head/managers to return as a head so that you'd certainly have the experience and likely also the readiness (who returns if they arent getting a higher rank and dont enjoy the job?) that we need


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[sex]

Why did you take this thread public if you already PM'd Mike? Was it because he didn't agree with you lol? Clearly the best person was picked for the job, which often isn't the case at Habbox (Won't name people) but Jade actually didn't pick the next in line so to say and picked someone she believed would be best suited for the job.... why are you moaning about that? It's whats best for Habboxlive.... lawl

[Grig]

i didnt have the chance too before, thats the point. whilst i was haead dj i was under a manager who wouldnt listen to my ideas and when i tried putting them into play i was frowned apon.



1st time resig: exams (was there a year before resigning)
2nd time resig: health problems (was there 6 months before resigning)

i havent partically been resigning constanty, and im better now and i dont have exams so
i will be here alot longer then 2 months.

weren't you Head DJ when I was there and I would have always listened to new ideas!! Unless you mean Logan lol.

Jazz should be there and a very correct decision. There are other issues, sure, but the issue put forward in this thread is stupid. It's been done all the time, I remember I jumped from radio to Head DJ when I returned a couple of years back because I had experience and that's what it is at the end of the day. The best person for the job and for HxL. I would hate to think someone both unqualified and unprofessional was elevated to such a position.

[Jazz]

weren't you Head DJ when I was there and I would have always listened to new ideas!! Unless you mean Logan lol.

Jazz should be there and a very correct decision. There are other issues, sure, but the issue put forward in this thread is stupid. It's been done all the time, I remember I jumped from radio to Head DJ when I returned a couple of years back because I had experience and that's what it is at the end of the day. The best person for the job and for HxL. I would hate to think someone both unqualified and unprofessional was elevated to such a position.

I mean Logan, you were fabulous. But Logan didnt even listen to you so he wouldnt listen to his little head DJ

[Foregetfuhl]

weren't you Head DJ when I was there and I would have always listened to new ideas!! Unless you mean Logan lol.

Jazz should be there and a very correct decision. There are other issues, sure, but the issue put forward in this thread is stupid. It's been done all the time, I remember I jumped from radio to Head DJ when I returned a couple of years back because I had experience and that's what it is at the end of the day. The best person for the job and for HxL. I would hate to think someone both unqualified and unprofessional was elevated to such a position.

At the moment HxL needs fresh faces but at the same time someone who knows what they are doing and someone who can contribute the ideas and professionalism that is needed. I made a decision and went with because its needed. And yeah she was Head DJ when you were there! She was my Head DJ.

[Inseriousity.]

Without sounding childish, I don't blame her. I can't imagine the atmosphere being any worse over there as it's merely impossible. If you could see the staff forums you'd know what I mean. It's just a giant ***** fest. You could argue this is causing drama but I'm just saying it straight out, I wouldn't have argued about maggots getting promoted wrongly, if the rule wasn't in place. My only problem was Jade going around the rule when it was put into action for good reason, what's the point in having rules if we don't follow them or try to bypass them? :P. Anyway, what's done is done, lets hope she puts in the full whack.

Which was? I believe your good reason might be a different good reason to mine so I'll elaborate on the main reason for why I put the rule in place.

As it says in the first post, the guest DJ role was discontinued. Now I had a choice here, I could either fire all the guest djs at a time which seemed unfair after the work they had put in or I could let it die out. I chose the latter option and put the rule in place in the hope that someone would 'cross over' and effectively make the extinction of guest djs quicker. While it did not work out the way I had planned (the idea being that they'd be a regular dj for a while before getting promoted), it still did the job it was supposed to do.

[Andii]

I'll speak to Mike about that.. but the other thing I said about was thrown out the window as it was seen as harsh.. But a 3 warning system for show issues relating to bad quality shows could up the quality possibly? And isn't really seen as harsh then? There is an amazing thread Richie made about buffer settings and that has helped a lot of DJs with there funny microphones and obviously we are on hand when they are actually DJing incase they need our help.

True but it's better to be more strict than to let people just slack off doing it to fill their hours up, what you should be thinking about is the listeners, if I was a new user at Habbox would I really want to listen to this rumbling noise in the background from certain djs. Habboxlive needs to get more strict like it was a few years ago when we used to get around 200 listeners.
(My Advertising skills learned haha)

[Foregetfuhl]

True but it's better to be more strict than to let people just slack off doing it to fill their hours up, what you should be thinking about is the listeners, if I was a new user at Habbox would I really want to listen to this rumbling noise in the background from certain djs. Habboxlive needs to get more strict like it was a few years ago when we used to get around 200 listeners.
(My Advertising skills learned haha)

I completely agree and I have been like that with all of the new trialists, hopefully we can bring in some really good quality DJs whilst trying to give feedback to those who need it.

[Andii]

I completely agree and I have been like that with all of the new trialists, hopefully we can bring in some really good quality DJs whilst trying to give feedback to those who need it.
Yea :) maybe you could get some secret listeners to listen and give feedback on them :) I know many shops do that which works well :)

[Richie]

Which was? I believe your good reason might be a different good reason to mine so I'll elaborate on the main reason for why I put the rule in place.

As it says in the first post, the guest DJ role was discontinued. Now I had a choice here, I could either fire all the guest djs at a time which seemed unfair after the work they had put in or I could let it die out. I chose the latter option and put the rule in place in the hope that someone would 'cross over' and effectively make the extinction of guest djs quicker. While it did not work out the way I had planned (the idea being that they'd be a regular dj for a while before getting promoted), it still did the job it was supposed to do.

Well I'd like to think any rules enforced within the site are thoroughly discussed between management before putting them into affect. So no, I didn't know the reasoning behind it but I'd assume you wouldn't have enforced the rule without good reason. Either way my argument still stands, the rule shouldn't have been abused in the way that it was. Besides, what's the difference between being promoted from a guest dj to a head dj? your plan still would have worked effectively.

[Foregetfuhl]

Yea :) maybe you could get some secret listeners to listen and give feedback on them :) I know many shops do that which works well :)

Yeah that's a good idea.. shhhh its our secret! LOL. But will look into it :)

[The Don]

Well I'd like to think any rules enforced within the site are thoroughly discussed between management before putting them into affect. So no, I didn't know the reasoning behind it but I'd assume you wouldn't have enforced the rule without good reason. Either way my argument still stands, the rule shouldn't have been abused in the way that it was. Besides, what's the difference between being promoted from a guest dj to a head dj? your plan still would have worked effectively.

No rule has been broke so I don't understand why you're complaining?

I used to think that it was unfair when x got promoted over y since y had been there longer but now I think that it shouldn't matter as long as the most suitable person for the role was promoted. If that's the case (and I'm guessing it is since the person in question has been in this role before) then why does it matter?

[sex]

richie you don't even work at habboxlive anymorewhy are you crying about something that no one but andii agree's with you on. It was the best decision in the case of this (even if a rule was broken which everyone's saying it wasn't so idk where you got that from?) would you rather someone else who is crap being given the position of head dj and waited a few weeks before you complained yet again about hxl is failing.... she gave the right person the job because she is trying to change the department around, so what if she was only there for four days again....

[Catchy]

Someone could of been there 4 years and could still be crap (wont say any names) where as Maggots; has proven she is capable of the role and I believe will do a fantastic job as previously demonstrated in the past, doesn't matter how long shes been there

[GommeInc]

What could be learnt from this is simply informing your department that you are looking for an assistant or new Head DJs and discussing it as a team. Presumably the Radio Department are quite close knit (or should be as they usually are), so constant communication between the Manager, Seniors and lower-tier staff would make it easier for everyone to stomach decisions and understand the rationale, as it seems Richie wasn't informed of why they were chosen and the decision was kept quiet from a large chunk of the team, when really these sorts of decisions should be out in the open and not secretive.

[Foregetfuhl]

What could be learnt from this is simply informing your department that you are looking for an assistant or new Head DJs and discussing it as a team. Presumably the Radio Department are quite close knit (or should be as they usually are), so constant communication between the Manager, Seniors and lower-tier staff would make it easier for everyone to stomach decisions and understand the rationale, as it seems Richie wasn't informed of why they were chosen and the decision was kept quiet from a large chunk of the team, when really these sorts of decisions should be out in the open and not secretive.

We are arent allowed to discuss this with the team, anyone will tell you that, i can discuss with general management and other Hxl managers but there is only little old me so i spoke with generał management.. i was always told this progressing in Hxl and everyone knew i was looking for new heads i was always banging on about it

[lawrawrrr]

She shouldn't have to justify herself though, to her staff anyway. If the AGMs had an issue with it, she would have to justify, and I'm sure they've spoken to her, either before she chose the heads or after.

Thing is, I was assistant news manager within 3 (maybe 2?) months of becoming a news reporter before. Samanfa; picked me because I'd been senior before and I knew how everything worked - nothing to do with our friendship. This situation is exactly the same. I'm sure everyone would be more than happy to moan in a few weeks time if Jazz wasn't promoted because neither of the heads really knew what to do. This way, Jade can carry on settling into the manager role, making changes to help the department (that was quite frankly struggling before) and not having to spend all her time settling in 2 new heads who don't know what they're doing.

[Samantha]

She shouldn't have to justify herself though, to her staff anyway. If the AGMs had an issue with it, she would have to justify, and I'm sure they've spoken to her, either before she chose the heads or after.

Thing is, I was assistant news manager within 3 (maybe 2?) months of becoming a news reporter before. Samanfa; picked me because I'd been senior before and I knew how everything worked - nothing to do with our friendship. This situation is exactly the same. I'm sure everyone would be more than happy to moan in a few weeks time if Jazz wasn't promoted because neither of the heads really knew what to do. This way, Jade can carry on settling into the manager role, making changes to help the department (that was quite frankly struggling before) and not having to spend all her time settling in 2 new heads who don't know what they're doing.

Yeah I hated you when I promoted you ofc ;). Nah I joke, not only that you were the best for the job at the time sorry Grig; you were another manager and I me being two managers either :P (plus I don't think you'd have taken it ;)).

Anyway yeah I agree with Laura, consider Jazz has helped do The Valentine's Vault with Logan, Habboxween Events with Jade, other things such as win a rooms you name it she's probably helped a lot more; she's been there longer than Jade and has seen it progress, Jade has her reasons to promote her and rightly do so. I still stand by my view on previous roles such as Nicola as opposed to Catzsy, and more. I'm sure we'll see an improvement in Habbox Live.

[lawrawrrr]

Yeah I hated you when I promoted you ofc ;). Nah I joke, not only that you were the best for the job at the time sorry @Grig (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=8106); you were another manager and I me being two managers either :P (plus I don't think you'd have taken it ;)).

Anyway yeah I agree with Laura, consider Jazz has helped do The Valentine's Vault with Logan, Habboxween Events with Jade, other things such as win a rooms you name it she's probably helped a lot more; she's been there longer than Jade and has seen it progress, Jade has her reasons to promote her and rightly do so. I still stand by my view on previous roles such as Nicola as opposed to Catzsy, and more. I'm sure we'll see an improvement in Habbox Live.

Exactly. Even if people are that upset, I'd rather Jade promoted someone she can talk to and work really well with that someone that she doesn't like (not sure there's anyone Jade doesn't like mind you LOL). I was kinda surprised when Jazz wasn't offered the managerial role to be honest, she definitely deserves it after everything she's done.

[Samantha]

Exactly. Even if people are that upset, I'd rather Jade promoted someone she can talk to and work really well with that someone that she doesn't like (not sure there's anyone Jade doesn't like mind you LOL). I was kinda surprised when Jazz wasn't offered the managerial role to be honest, she definitely deserves it after everything she's done.

I think really, if Maggots; got promoted or even DJ Rain when they were both heads, I don't think anyone could win as it would look like he was promoting his friends (Logan) and maybe he couldn't pick between them but I think Jazz has got the experience to go far!

[Andii]

Yeah that's a good idea.. shhhh its our secret! LOL. But will look into it :)

;) Don't worry im on it KAPOW


and hold on a second is this thread about a rule being broken??? or the fact that other staff members are not up to scratch lool

because the thing im agreeing with is that they should at least give a valid reason to all their staff why this person was promoted and tbh should have given more time :)

[mrwoooooooo]

Some people really don't have anything better to do with their spare time do they?

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[The Don]

;) Don't worry im on it KAPOW


and hold on a second is this thread about a rule being broken??? or the fact that other staff members are not up to scratch lool

because the thing im agreeing with is that they should at least give a valid reason to all their staff why this person was promoted and tbh should have given more time :)

they already said that the person promoted was most suitable for the role and had previous experience, what more do you want?

edit: not that they should have to justify their decisions anyway...

[lawrawrrr]

Managers shouldn't have to justify promotions. There are much better things they could be doing (aka managing) than spending time justifying EVERY SINGLE promotion. That would be like justifying why every single unsuccessful applicant was unsuccessful - something which is just a preposterous idea, especially for more popular departments. But yes, 9 times out of 10 it's obvious why one person was promoted over anyone else - this being one of those cases.

[GommeInc]

We are arent allowed to discuss this with the team, anyone will tell you that, i can discuss with general management and other Hxl managers but there is only little old me so i spoke with generał management.. i was always told this progressing in Hxl and everyone knew i was looking for new heads i was always banging on about it
Then you're not a team if you can't talk over simple promotion ideas :P You could speak to your team, see what General Management think and go from there. It seems the main problem Richie has was that there was a lack of communication, a huge problem with Habbox these days. You don't need to justify your decision, but communicating your ideas would be useful - especially when radios are meant to be effective at such a practice :)

[Chippiewill]

but promotions below assistant manager are decided by the manager and it is up to them to choose how they see fit.
Myke ultimately is the one who sorts out the promotion and actually I think if he sees a promotion as inappropriate he has every right to deny it and in fact should deny it. And then in that instance the department manager is also in every right to ask Matt to overrule it.

[Inseriousity.]

Yes Myke can overrule but generally it is left to the department manager's judgement.

[Foregetfuhl]

Then you're not a team if you can't talk over simple promotion ideas :P You could speak to your team, see what General Management think and go from there. It seems the main problem Richie has was that there was a lack of communication, a huge problem with Habbox these days. You don't need to justify your decision, but communicating your ideas would be useful - especially when radios are meant to be effective at such a practice :)

We are a team but when it comes to decisions like this and who is gaining promotions it is kept secret. We can make people aware but we can't physically say who is getting it. I was always told this was a rule and that is something that I have stuck by for as long as I have been here. People were well aware in the department that Heads were being promoted as they could 1. See that heads were needed 2. I always talked about the fact I needed heads 3. The seniors knew that Head positions were available too. I had lengthy discussions with seniors as well relating to the fact and made a judgement based on my knowledge of the department and there knowledge. If anyone has spoken to Jazz she has been banging on about going back up to Radio DJ for over a month. Especially in group convos and what not and she decided to about a week ago. It got to the point I needed Head DJs two days ago because I haven't been able to focus nearly enough on management stuff because I've been doing PMs and stuff which is the role of the Head DJ. There was one suitable candidate in senior and Jazz was there and I knew what she was capable off. I made a decision that I know will benefit the department and already is benefiting the department. So what if she moves up quickly? I was a senior for 2 days before being offered Head DJ.

[lawrawrrr]

Then you're not a team if you can't talk over simple promotion ideas :P You could speak to your team, see what General Management think and go from there. It seems the main problem Richie has was that there was a lack of communication, a huge problem with Habbox these days. You don't need to justify your decision, but communicating your ideas would be useful - especially when radios are meant to be effective at such a practice :)

Do employers talk over promotions with all their staff in the real world? No. They should get the go ahead with AGMs (which we have to) and then MAYBE talk to other seniors (not necessary though).

[Grig]

Yeah I hated you when I promoted you ofc ;). Nah I joke, not only that you were the best for the job at the time sorry Grig; you were another manager and I me being two managers either :P (plus I don't think you'd have taken it ;)).

Anyway yeah I agree with Laura, consider Jazz has helped do The Valentine's Vault with Logan, Habboxween Events with Jade, other things such as win a rooms you name it she's probably helped a lot more; she's been there longer than Jade and has seen it progress, Jade has her reasons to promote her and rightly do so. I still stand by my view on previous roles such as Nicola as opposed to Catzsy, and more. I'm sure we'll see an improvement in Habbox Live.

I, me! What is this SPAG!

Nah, if it's the best for a department I would always support it. I may argue over how some stuff are run, but at the end of the day I would always be supportive over such decisions.

It's better for HxL and for everyone in general. Habbox needs all the help it can get. Heck, I would even go as far as do external hiring into senior positions just to try and get some experience and knowledge on board as there isn't as much at present.

[GommeInc]

Do employers talk over promotions with all their staff in the real world? No. They should get the go ahead with AGMs (which we have to) and then MAYBE talk to other seniors (not necessary though).Errr, yes? You pretty much answered that with your second sentence. So you sort of voided what you said without me needing to respond :/

[Richie]

Do employers talk over promotions with all their staff in the real world? No. They should get the go ahead with AGMs (which we have to) and then MAYBE talk to other seniors (not necessary though).

Then again they don't make someone executive manager after being a regular staff member for 4 days.

[lawrawrrr]

Errr, yes? You pretty much answered that with your second sentence. So you sort of voided what you said without me needing to respond :/

No I didn't? I said that managers should only need approval from the AGMs (aka the people above them) and the seniors if they did want some input, but they shouldn't be made to.


Then again they don't make someone executive manager after being a regular staff member for 4 days.

Then again they'll make people managers without working at that specific store before.

[Richie]

No I didn't? I said that managers should only need approval from the AGMs (aka the people above them) and the seniors if they did want some input, but they shouldn't be made to.



Then again they'll make people managers without working at that specific store before.

Which they have applications for..

Anyway I think I made my point, only time will tell.

[Chippiewill]

Do employers talk over promotions with all their staff in the real world? No. They should get the go ahead with AGMs (which we have to) and then MAYBE talk to other seniors (not necessary though). Habbox chooses to be accountable to it's users, if it doesn't want input then they can scrap this forum, otherwise they have to be prepared for any **** heading their way.

[lawrawrrr]

Habbox chooses to be accountable to it's users, if it doesn't want input then they can scrap this forum, otherwise they have to be prepared for any **** heading their way.

I don't remember you consulting your staff about who should be senior even after 2 of us complained to you afterwards...

[Chippiewill]

I don't remember you consulting your staff about who should be senior even after 2 of us complained to you afterwards...
Didn't say it had to be checked in the open everytime, just that it's open to being questioned.

[lawrawrrr]

Didn't say it had to be checked in the open everytime, just that it's open to being questioned.

Yes but the post you replied to was about prior discussion about staff. Of course it's open to being questioned, but managers are well withing their right to refuse to answer why (exactly what you did I believe)

[Chippiewill]

Yes but the post you replied to was about prior discussion about staff. Of course it's open to being questioned, but managers are well withing their right to refuse to answer why (exactly what you did I believe)I believe that I actually answered why so I'm not sure what point you're making.

[lawrawrrr]

I believe that I actually answered why so I'm not sure what point you're making.

You said it was your decision and we couldn't do anything about it. Anyway this is a pointless argument as it's got nothing to do with the discussion we were having.

End of the day, managers don't need to discuss promotions with anyone below them, and are perfectly within their right to refuse to justify, in public or private to anyone who isn't a general manager.

[FlyingJesus]

If managers aren't free to manage then there is no point in appointing them in the first place

[Grig]

Do employers talk over promotions with all their staff in the real world? No. They should get the go ahead with AGMs (which we have to) and then MAYBE talk to other seniors (not necessary though).

I hate it when people do this. This is a fansite for a game run by teenagers, and not the real world. It's not the same thing at all.



You said it was your decision and we couldn't do anything about it. Anyway this is a pointless argument as it's got nothing to do with the discussion we were having.

End of the day, managers don't need to discuss promotions with anyone below them, and are perfectly within their right to refuse to justify, in public or private to anyone who isn't a general manager.

Transparency is always best as a manager. You are in this position to take flack for the good or bad and if you can't then you shouldn't be in this position. I would always be more than happy to go around and justify the move with good reasons and in turn those who criticize one will be happy as well.

Sure, I agree they don't have to, but sometimes it's best to when there is massive disagreement.

[GommeInc]

If managers aren't free to manage then there is no point in appointing them in the first place
I don't think that's the problem for once in this case :P The problem seems to be a lack of communication, as per.

I'm still not sure why a fan site has to keep menial things like promotions secret from their staff, when not even huge organisations practice this. They usually announce that promotions are on the cards in their respective departments and staff can see the process played out because 1) It effects them. 2) They're going to know eventually anyway, and; 3) It's a fan site, constant communication is incredibly important with a volunteers based set-up (and 4 but not necessarily important - they can be on their best behaviour as it could be them).


I hate it when people do this. This is a fansite for a game run by teenagers, and not the real world. It's not the same thing at all.

Transparency is always best as a manager. You are in this position to take flack for the good or bad and if you can't then you shouldn't be in this position. I would always be more than happy to go around and justify the move with good reasons and in turn those who criticize one will be happy as well.

Sure, I agree they don't have to, but sometimes it's best to when there is massive disagreement.
Completely agreed. I dread to think what some of the people on here would be like if they worked in a real business and were a manager, they would be sacked within a couple of days if they ever worked for a company where inter-departmental communications are important (i.e. most of them).

Only talking to General Management creates a "them and us" attitude, and if you're doing that you may as well go the full distance, stick your middle finger up at bottom-level volunteers and tell them to go shove themselves. Hardly necessarily and completely unwanted in a real world volunteer business, let alone a tiny fan site :/

[Foregetfuhl]

The department were well aware people were going up. It was made blindingly obvious and has been talked about a number of times. I just couldn't actually tell them WHO was going up.

[Andii]

The department were well aware people were going up. It was made blindingly obvious and has been talked about a number of times. I just couldn't actually tell them WHO was going up.

Yea but look were that got this going, if staff in the department are having a problem then as a manager you should be there to state the facts and tell them exactly why to help them understand, as a manager you shoul look after your staff,

i remember when I was a hxl trialist and jess was manager and I got safety banned so couldn't dj tried to tell her but she ignored it and gave me a warning for not doing any slots, as a manager she should have picked up on that. Managers need to look after their staff ;) kapow woop woop lets party

[Foregetfuhl]

Yea but look were that got this going, if staff in the department are having a problem then as a manager you should be there to state the facts and tell them exactly why to help them understand, as a manager you shoul look after your staff,

i remember when I was a hxl trialist and jess was manager and I got safety banned so couldn't dj tried to tell her but she ignored it and gave me a warning for not doing any slots, as a manager she should have picked up on that. Managers need to look after their staff ;) kapow woop woop lets party

I do look after my staff? When has that ever come out that I don't? Unlike previous managers I actually speak to many members of my staff everyday just to make sure they are alright?

[Andii]

I do look after my staff? When has that ever come out that I don't? Unlike previous managers I actually speak to many members of my staff everyday just to make sure they are alright?

i hate writing things lol can never seem to say how im thinking it :)

i meant like explain to them why this person was chosen and stuff lol :) not like how they are doing ;) i know you are kind and nice and talk to people by asking them how they are ;) ive seen it you dont need to improve on that :)

[Grig]

I remember Adzeh used to ask who should be promoted. I'm all for openess. Even though it may seem unconventional nowadays. I love being open, makes staff feel part of the decision making process etc. Of course management will have the last say etc.