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October
15-11-2012, 06:11 PM
WASHINGTON -- What began as a small group of citizens voicing their disappointment with President Obama (http://www.latimes.com/topic/politics/government/barack-obama-PEPLT007408.topic)'s victory in last week's presidential election has turned into a plea from hundreds of thousands of citizens to have their states be granted independence from the federal government.


The White House (http://www.latimes.com/topic/politics/government/executive-branch/white-house-PLCUL000110.topic) has now received secession petitions from all 50 states by citizens requesting that the administration “peacefully grant” them the opportunity to form their own sovereign government.
The petitions are created through the Obama administration’s "We The People" initiative, which was launched in 2011 as an effort to give citizens an opportunity to have their voices heard by the administration.


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To appear on the website, a petition must receive more than 150 signatures. For the petition to be granted a response from the White House, it must receive at least 25,000 signatures.
Currently, six secession petitions have reached that threshold – from Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, Georgia and Texas. The petition from Texas (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B) has more than 100,000 signatures, although according to another petition, it seems that 5,000 people in Austin would like to be granted independence from the state of Texas while remaining part of the United States.


Of the 146 petitions currently listed on the White House Petitions website, 66 are requests for secession.


In response to the calls for secession, numerous other petitions have appeared on the website this week, some even calling for the signers of the secession petitions to be stripped of their citizenship and be deported.


One petition with nearly 10,000 signatures calls on the president to "please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported."
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Another petitioner is happy to allow states to peacefully leave the union, as long as they pay their share of the national debt before they go.


Residents of states wishing to form their own governments should "take their own advice about 'personal responsibility,' and pay their share of the national debt before being released to fend for themselves," the petition says.


But pleas from citizens to leave the union are not the only requests from citizens to the White House.


A petition created on Nov. 11 calls for the impeachment of the president, while another is a call to "restore objectivity and fairness to our media".
More than 8,000 people have signed a petition to make election day a federal holiday, which could increase voter turnout “by eliminating the pressures and constraints of the workday.”
A more lighthearted petition requests that "in this time of despair" President Obama should "do the Hokey Pokey on national television during a special Presidential Address to the nation." That one had been removed from the site by Wednesday evening.
“If a petition gets enough support,” the website says, “White House staff will review it, ensure it’s sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.”

So this is really interesting and I'm quite curious as to how this will play out. Last I knew, it was illegal to secede from the US (which totally goes against the Constitution/DoI but whatever).


Either or, Puerto Rico is gonna be lonely.

dirrty
15-11-2012, 06:13 PM
play out? nothing will happen...

October
15-11-2012, 06:17 PM
play out? nothing will happen...
Isn't that problematic in itself? That the citizens would be ignored (again).

dirrty
15-11-2012, 06:28 PM
what do you expect will happen? and you speak of the citizens as if it's the majority who signed the petition. a very, very small fraction did. so no, 'the citizens' won't be ignored (again).

October
15-11-2012, 06:30 PM
idk what will happen, i'm just curious for it all.

a small fraction as of yet, but well enough people have stated their dissatisfaction with the federal government and how it runs.

sex
15-11-2012, 06:32 PM
idk what will happen, i'm just curious for it all.

a small fraction as of yet, but well enough people have stated their dissatisfaction with the federal government and how it runs.

not everyone is going to agree with the government lol, it happens all over the world... not just america

Kardan
15-11-2012, 06:54 PM
Nothing will happen, waste of time really...

dbgtz
15-11-2012, 10:36 PM
As soon as I read about the first few states petitions I saw the most relevant South Park episode ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAtF4XZ3unI

Anyway onto the point, not going to happen right now. At most it'll cause minor tension. Also it probably isn't illegal given the whole "right to self determination".

GommeInc
16-11-2012, 12:51 AM
Nothing will happen - just a load of angry individuals as with any Presidential Election over in the US :P

HotelUser
16-11-2012, 01:06 AM
Isn't that problematic in itself? That the citizens would be ignored (again).

If there was a referendum and more than 50% wanted to separate and were denied then the citizens would be "ignored". Since only the minority want to separate it's completely fair that they're not separating.

-:Undertaker:-
16-11-2012, 08:41 AM
I remember Ron Paul making the statement about two years ago in a video that succession is actually America, it's what helps keep the constitution in check. If you think of federalism (which I don't favour personally, but it works well for America in theory and the past) then the threat of states leaving when the federal government becomes too powerful is exactly what is needed in order to keep the federal government under control.

Judging by the debt and uncontrolled power of the US Federal government, the US needs a lot more talk of succession. I'd also add, that while we may laugh at it not as a not serious idea - when the US Dollar fails (as it will) as the worlds reserve currency then anything is possible, after all, the dissolution of the British Empire happened yet would have been unthinkable to our great grandfathers.

I think Texas alone would be the third strongest economy in the world, something along those lines.

Grig
16-11-2012, 09:06 AM
I remember Ron Paul making the statement about two years ago in a video that succession is actually America, it's what helps keep the constitution in check. If you think of federalism (which I don't favour personally, but it works well for America in theory and the past) then the threat of states leaving when the federal government becomes too powerful is exactly what is needed in order to keep the federal government under control.

Judging by the debt and uncontrolled power of the US Federal government, the US needs a lot more talk of succession. I'd also add, that while we may laugh at it not as a not serious idea - when the US Dollar fails (as it will) as the worlds reserve currency then anything is possible, after all, the dissolution of the British Empire happened yet would have been unthinkable to our great grandfathers.

I think Texas alone would be the third strongest economy in the world, something along those lines.

and Texas is stringently anti-Obama. Interestingly, Obama is against a brick wall as all those who make up the bulk of the US economy did not vote for Obama. He got a large student vote- they don't work, the female vote and a minority vote, which turned up in bulk, yet they only account for a small percentage of people in a country predominantly white and the lower-class vote.

Romney was a bad candidate because he didn't inspire anyone, nor did he deliver anything new, so many actually didn't turn up and vote at all. You have all these powerful people disgruntled by Obama, he's going to be in for a rougher 4 years and potentially end up in the same league as Bush.

Kardan
16-11-2012, 01:23 PM
and Texas is stringently anti-Obama. Interestingly, Obama is against a brick wall as all those who make up the bulk of the US economy did not vote for Obama. He got a large student vote- they don't work, the female vote and a minority vote, which turned up in bulk, yet they only account for a small percentage of people in a country predominantly white and the lower-class vote.

Romney was a bad candidate because he didn't inspire anyone, nor did he deliver anything new, so many actually didn't turn up and vote at all. You have all these powerful people disgruntled by Obama, he's going to be in for a rougher 4 years and potentially end up in the same league as Bush.

If you say Obama got the women vote, then Romney got the men vote :P And Obama got 50.6% to Romeny's 47.8% across the country, so obviously more than half of the country does not care about the US economy :P

-:Undertaker:-
17-11-2012, 03:25 PM
I hear the Texan petition has reached over 100,000 now.

RyRy
17-11-2012, 08:26 PM
I wonder whether the senators of those states will comment on the petitions, especially the Texan one. The White House will probably voice one stance for all the petitions, but if they say no then you wonder how much further these petitioners will go.

HotelUser
18-11-2012, 02:29 PM
I wonder whether the senators of those states will comment on the petitions, especially the Texan one. The White House will probably voice one stance for all the petitions, but if they say no then you wonder how much further these petitioners will go.

Rick Perry is against seceding, it was brought up several years back and he also made a statement against it the other day.

Grig
18-11-2012, 03:04 PM
Rick Perry is against seceding, it was brought up several years back and he also made a statement against it the other day.

Of course he would be, it would be political suicide for any politician to support such a proclamation :P.

HotelUser
18-11-2012, 05:44 PM
Of course he would be, it would be political suicide for any politician to support such a proclamation :P.

Indeed

Chippiewill
18-11-2012, 07:01 PM
Most of the politicians in those states will be against it, since most of the states with big support actually gain a lot off the federal taxation.

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