The good ship 'Tory Party' is finished - please keep calm and head for the lifeboats

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The good ship 'Tory Party' is finished - please keep calm and head for the lifeboats


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It is quite clear to any thinking person that the Tory Party is now a corpse. Any idea that David Cameron could or would revive it must have died at the Rotherham by-election.

This astonishing result must surely be the most humiliating treatment of a major political party in modern history.

The ‘Conservative’ candidate came fifth. He was beaten by Labour, which is reasonable. But he was also shoved aside by three other organisations.

The first was UKIP, the Dad’s Army of politics; the second was the BNP, that care home for the incurably stupid and nasty; and the third was George Galloway’s Respect.

Their candidate was Yvonne Ridley, a former journalist who converted to Islam after she was held hostage by the Taliban.

I quite like her in a way, but she can hardly be said to be part of the mainstream, especially since she adopted her adventurous version of the hijab.

If I were the candidate of a national party beaten by Yvonne in a by- election, I would go into hiding.

I don’t think this comical failure can be dismissed as a mid-term blip. I think this is the moment at which it became obvious that, in the North of England, where Tory MPs used to abound, people have noticed what many in the South have yet to see.


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Warning: The Tory's humiliating performance in the Rotherham by-election showed David Cameron's party has decayed


They have realised Mr Slippery’s Party has decayed so much that the best place for it is the nearest skip. No amount of paint, glue, sparkle or varnish will ever make it look good again.

Tory insiders know this too. They know that the true party membership is falling faster than Jimmy Savile’s reputation, that without cheques from dodgy millionaires it would long ago have gone into receivership.

On top of that it has come to stand, in many people’s minds, for concreting over the countryside, unrestrained mass immigration, terrible state schools, being nice to criminals, starting foreign wars in places where we have no business to be, and high taxes.

Of course, there are people who think all these things are wonderful. But they already have two political parties on their side, and so there’s no earthly point in them voting Tory.

This is what comes of punishing your friends and rewarding your enemies, year after year after year.

In Rotherham, you get fewer votes than Yvonne Ridley and her hijab. You barely get 1,000 votes in the whole of Middlesbrough. And even in Croydon North you get only 16 per cent of the vote.

Now, I did tell you all this some time ago, when far too many of you were swooning into the arms of Mr Slippery. Well, look what you got for that. He couldn’t win last time, even aided by the wave of hate he created against Gordon Brown.

He certainly can’t win next time. By 2020 Tory candidates in the North will be coming in behind the Monster Raving Loonies.

Face it, the whole thing’s got to go. If the Tory Party ran foreign holidays all its customers would be stranded abroad in unfinished hotels. If the Tory Party were a cruise ship, it would be sinking on a jagged reef because the captain was too busy conducting a gay wedding and not looking where he was going.

If it were any kind of consumer item, people who bought it would take it back and ask for a refund. They wouldn’t get one, of course, just a harsh Australian voice telling them to get knotted.

But because it’s a political party, for some bizarre reason, the more its voters are betrayed, the more they cling to it. The only result of this is that the honest, productive, thrifty, patriotic people of this country have nobody to protect them from their enemies.

Desert the Useless Tories now and for ever. Put them out of their misery. And then build something better before it is too late.

It’s not yet compulsory to vote, and why would you vote for people who despise you?

Well worth a read, pretty much sums it up with the part i've bolded being the key point.

The result of the next election is pretty much a foregone conclusion.

I was looking on this site (http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/elections/index.jsp) yesterday which has all the electoral maps from years ago, and it's amazing how only 50 years ago many areas in the north as well as Scotland used to be strong blue seats - areas like my own, which is now the strongest Labour seat in the country. Indeed, it's amazing to think that only 50 years ago the Tory Party was the biggest in Scotland by far.

Interesting times ahead.

Thoughts?

[Chippiewill]

Or you know, they didn't field a proper opposition because it wouldn't achieve much. No point wasting money on a campaign which labour where gonna win anyway.

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Or you know, they didn't field a proper opposition because it wouldn't achieve much. No point wasting money on a campaign which labour where gonna win anyway.

One could say the same about Labour - a safe Labour seat yet they had half the shadow cabinet bussed in to waive off a UKIP upset. I think you've misunderstood what Hitchens is saying, the Rotherham election alone isn't why the Tories are finished; that was just a symptom of it's terminal decline across this country. I think Tory membership has gone from something like 300,000 in 2006 to 110,000 odd today.

The only reason why these loathed parties continue to survive is because the hatred of the other one props them both up.

[Inseriousity.]

Thatcher, rightly or wrongly, ruined the reputation of the tory party in the north-east for good. Even though she hasn't been in office for decades, it's still 'thatcher' that's mentioned whenever you talk about the tories. However, despite that, I don't think they are as heading for oblivion as this article suggests. Underestimate them and you'll orchestrate your own downfall. Lib Dems on the other hand... yikes wouldn't want to be in that party atm!

[Chippiewill]

I think Tory membership has gone from something like 300,000 in 2006 to 110,000 odd today.

Does that not apply to all incumbent parties?

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Does that not apply to all incumbent parties?

Oh yes it applies to the Labour Party as well - but Labour remains the stronger of the two for the reason that Inseriousity.; rightly picked up on just then - that rightly or wrongly, many cling to Labour (despite not agreeing with it) to 'keep Thatcher out' even though the Thatcherites aren't going to come back. Even if the Conservatives adopted sensible policies and actually implemented them, it'd still struggle to win because the brand is now so poisoned. As I said, both of them hold eachother in place despite being hated across the country.

The Tory Party is the weaker of the two for the reason that it hasn't won office with a majority now since the early 1990s - and it certainly isn't going to in 2015 barring strange circumstances. The electoral history of the Conservative Party speaks for itself; it's in terminal decline.

[jam666]

The problem in the north east lies with a wrongly informed population that has had three decades to seep indoctrination through every ounce of life (be it from the council to university's). This sounds extreme but I'll explain why this is the case.

I love the Thatcher argument as its the usual get out clause for the left when ever the word "tory" is mentioned. Problem is that the decline in the north started in the late 60's / 70's with the winding down of things like Middlesbrough dock etc (was a considerable employer in the town) which is long before thatcher even came to power. The ingredients for the decline were already there, she simply switched the pan on.

What also doesn't help is that people can't think for themselves. Most people largely base their political affiliation on who their parents support, instead of sitting back and researching who they are most in tune with. But what really gets me is people who don't vote. I appreciate it may seem pointless, you might not be bothered about politics or you might just be lazy. But we have the RIGHT to vote and you should use it regardless of who you vote for!. Many countries in the world dont have the option to vote and lets not forget people died so that we can vote, if you dont vote then you dont have any right to complain.

I could write a book on how the left manipulates voters, but that would be too long to write here. lets just say standards only work in one way and that's their favour. Anything else is demonised and condemned, in other words you are simply not allowed to think anything else apart from what they think. Lets take the recent By-election in Middlesbrough. Lots of labour posters with the ironic "putting middlesbrough first" slogan when in reality they mean more terminal decline and yet people fall for it election after election. This has nothing to do with party politics, its based purely on fact. Middlesbrough has being in decline for years, and whos been at the helm? labour, labour and yet again labour. There were also posters from a "peace" party which appeared to attract the majority of the minority vote. But what voters didn't realise was that the candidate was a Rotherham Councillor who had been banned from the labour party for two years because he failed to disclose that he was a banned director of a company that went into liquidation with losses of over £300k.

In other words, posters for labour or anything non conservative is fine, but I guarantee if you dare put a poster with any mention of the conservatives on you will be hung, drawn and quartered (whether it be you, your house, your car or the poster). I put up a poster (a couple of elections ago) for example, went back the next day and it had been ripped down. Only one opinion matters in Middlesbrough and that's labours.

Back on the subject of tory decline, there isnt a hope in hell that anything conservative will ever gain support in Middlesbrough. Like i said previously, people believe it was thatcher, but in reality it's down to decades of decline from labour councils. Its a rather entertaining time in Middlesbrough at the moment, labour have played connect four and won!, They have the council, they have the MP, they have the mayor (pretends to be independent) and they have the police commissioner. I'm actually past the point of caring who people vote for, it could be an alien for all I care as long as it isn't a dead donkey with a red rosette.

And before anyone asks, no I did not vote conservative. I actually voted UKIP in the by-election. Tory membership is on a steady decline as cameron has alienated 99% of traditional tory voters who have subsequently found a home in UKIP. Ohwell.

[Inseriousity.]

The problem in the north east lies with a wrongly informed population that has had three decades to seep indoctrination through every ounce of life (be it from the council to university's). This sounds extreme but I'll explain why this is the case.

I love the Thatcher argument as its the usual get out clause for the left when ever the word "tory" is mentioned. Problem is that the decline in the north started in the late 60's / 70's with the winding down of things like Middlesbrough dock etc (was a considerable employer in the town) which is long before thatcher even came to power. The ingredients for the decline were already there, she simply switched the pan on.

What also doesn't help is that people can't think for themselves. Most people largely base their political affiliation on who their parents support, instead of sitting back and researching who they are most in tune with. But what really gets me is people who don't vote. I appreciate it may seem pointless, you might not be bothered about politics or you might just be lazy. But we have the RIGHT to vote and you should use it regardless of who you vote for!. Many countries in the world dont have the option to vote and lets not forget people died so that we can vote, if you dont vote then you dont have any right to complain.

I could write a book on how the left manipulates voters, but that would be too long to write here. lets just say standards only work in one way and that's their favour. Anything else is demonised and condemned, in other words you are simply not allowed to think anything else apart from what they think. Lets take the recent By-election in Middlesbrough. Lots of labour posters with the ironic "putting middlesbrough first" slogan when in reality they mean more terminal decline and yet people fall for it election after election. This has nothing to do with party politics, its based purely on fact. Middlesbrough has being in decline for years, and whos been at the helm? labour, labour and yet again labour. There were also posters from a "peace" party which appeared to attract the majority of the minority vote. But what voters didn't realise was that the candidate was a Rotherham Councillor who had been banned from the labour party for two years because he failed to disclose that he was a banned director of a company that went into liquidation with losses of over £300k.

In other words, posters for labour or anything non conservative is fine, but I guarantee if you dare put a poster with any mention of the conservatives on you will be hung, drawn and quartered (whether it be you, your house, your car or the poster). I put up a poster (a couple of elections ago) for example, went back the next day and it had been ripped down. Only one opinion matters in Middlesbrough and that's labours.

Back on the subject of tory decline, there isnt a hope in hell that anything conservative will ever gain support in Middlesbrough. Like i said previously, people believe it was thatcher, but in reality it's down to decades of decline from labour councils. Its a rather entertaining time in Middlesbrough at the moment, labour have played connect four and won!, They have the council, they have the MP, they have the mayor (pretends to be independent) and they have the police commissioner. I'm actually past the point of caring who people vote for, it could be an alien for all I care as long as it isn't a dead donkey with a red rosette.

And before anyone asks, no I did not vote conservative. I actually voted UKIP in the by-election. Tory membership is on a steady decline as cameron has alienated 99% of traditional tory voters who have subsequently found a home in UKIP. Ohwell.

I'm guessing you're from Middlesbrough too then. Yes, it's a shame that one political party can have a whole town in a headlock. It's why I despise the idea of a 'safe seat' regardless of which party it is in charge. Means people with no determination can just lay back all at our expense as they watch the town go down the drain.