2011 Census

[scottish]

Surprised -:Undertaker:-; hasn't posted about this year :P

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In 2011, 45% of Londoners were white British, down from 58% in 2001

The number of foreign-born residents in England and Wales has risen by nearly three million since 2001 to 7.5 million people, the 2011 census shows.
The most common birthplaces outside of the UK for residents are India, Poland and Pakistan. The number of ethnic white British has dropped to 80%.

The number of people living in England and Wales is up 7% to 56.1 million.

The Office for National Statistics said the findings showed a "diverse" and "changing" picture.

The 2011 statistics show 13% of usual residents were born outside the UK.

London had both the largest proportion of usual residents born outside the UK (37%) and non-UK nationals (24%.)

More than half the rise in the population of the England and Wales was due to migration.

Those calling themselves Christians was down 13 percentage points at 59% (33.2 million) in 2011, from 72% (37.3 million) in 2001.

The number of those who said they had no religious affiliation increased by 10 percentage points from 15% (7.7 million) in 2001 to 25% (14.1 million) in 2011.

The census also shows that, while fewer people own their own home, more people own it outright. Just under 15 million households owned their own home in 2011, either with a mortgage or loan, or outright - a decrease of four percentage points since 2001.

However, those who owned their home outright increased two percentage points from 29% (6.4 million) to 31% (7.2 million).

The group that rented from a private landlord or letting agency increased by six percentage points from 9% (1.9 million) in 2001 to 15% (3.6 million) in 2011.

Last year there was an average of 12 cars for every 10 households - up on 11 cars per 10 households in 2001. London was the only region where the number of vehicles was lower than the number of households.

In other findings:

Muslims now make up 4.8% of the population of England and Wales
Of the other main religious groups: 1.5% of people identified themselves as Hindu; 0.8% as Sikh; 0.5% as Jewish; and 0.4% as Buddhist
The white British population has fallen 400,000 since 2001, now 80% down from 87% - in London 45% of people are white British, down from 58%
Of the foreign-born who arrived in England and Wales in the last 10 years, 95% were aged under 45
4.8 million people hold a foreign passport: 2.3 million from the EU and 2.4 million from outside the EU
42% of people in Norwich and Brighton say they have no religion, the highest level in England and Wales
2 million households with at least two people had partners or household members of different ethnic groups in 2011, a three percentage point increase on 2001 (1.4 million)
The employment rate is estimated at 71.8%; unemployment is 7.5%
In Northern Ireland, the number of Protestants is now 48% (down five percentage points on the last census) and Catholics 45% (a rise of one percentage point)
Again in Northern Ireland, two-fifths (40%) saw themselves as British-only, while a quarter (25%) identified themselves as Irish only and just over a fifth (21%) saw themselves as Northern Irish only
The number of people who speak Welsh has fallen in the past 10 years
The 2011 Census results for Scotland are drawn up separately by the Scottish government and are being released on Monday.

Guy Goodwin, from the Office of National Statistics, said the message coming through from the census was one of "considerable change but increasing diversity".

"The three examples I would give are the 7.5 million reported born abroad, with the top two countries India and Poland - Poland was not even in top 10 last time. Also increasing diversity among ethnic groups with the increase in black, Asian and other white groups. That will, of course, relate to the migration.

"The third really big message coming through is changes in the religion mix, with four million fewer of us reporting that we are Christian and six million more of us saying we have no religion at all and one million saying their religion was Muslim.

"It's a really changing picture so the 2011 census population will go down as a diverse population compared with 2001."

This year's questionnaire - which was sent to about 26 million households in England and Wales on 27 March last year and was compulsory to fill in - came after the British Humanist Association (BHA) ran a campaign in the run-up encouraging non-religious people to tick the "no religion" box on the census form.

The only voluntary question in the census related to religion and allowed people to declare themselves to be Christian (all denominations), Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, of no religion or to list themselves as belonging to any other faith.

The census is carried out every 10 years, during which the public are asked questions about their jobs, health, education and ethnic background. Last year was the first time people could fill in the form online.

The answers are used to plan public services.

summed up:

45% of Londoners were white British, down from 58% in 2001 foreign-born residents in England and Wales has risen by nearly three million since 2001 to 7.5 million The most common birthplaces outside of the UK for residents are India, Poland and Pakistan. The number of people living in England and Wales is up 7% to 56.1 million. 13% of usual residents were born outside the UK. London had both the largest proportion of usual residents born outside the UK (37%) and non-UK nationals (24%.) Those calling themselves Christians was down 13 percentage points at 59% (33.2 million) in 2011, from 72% (37.3 million) in 2001. no religious affiliation increased by 10 percentage points from 15% (7.7 million) to 25% (14.1 million) Just under 15 million households owned their own home in 2011, either with a mortgage or loan, or outright - a decrease of 4% those who owned their home outright increased two percentage points from 29% (6.4 million) to 31% (7.2 million) rented from a private landlord or letting agency increased by six percentage points from 9% (1.9 million) to 15% (3.6 million) there was an average of 12 cars for every 10 households - up on 11 cars per 10 households London was the only region where the number of vehicles was lower than the number of households. Muslims now make up 4.8% of the population of England and Wales 1.5% of people identified themselves as Hindu; 0.8% as Sikh; 0.5% as Jewish; and 0.4% as Buddhist Of the foreign-born who arrived in England and Wales in the last 10 years, 95% were aged under 45 4.8 million people hold a foreign passport: 2.3 million from the EU and 2.4 million from outside the EU 42% of people in Norwich and Brighton say they have no religion, the highest level in England and Wales 2 million households with at least two people had partners or household members of different ethnic groups in 2011, a three percentage point increase on 2001 (1.4 million) The employment rate is estimated at 71.8%; unemployment is 7.5% In Northern Ireland, the number of Protestants is now 48% (down five percentage points on the last census) and Catholics 45% (a rise of one percentage point) Northern Ireland, two-fifths (40%) saw themselves as British-only, while a quarter (25%) identified themselves as Irish only and just over a fifth (21%) saw themselves as Northern Irish only The number of people who speak Welsh has fallen in the past 10 years

[Munex]

I'm not sure how all this affects our economy, but my ignorance aside, my current viewpoint is that we should stop letting people into the UK so easily. If the majority become "foreign", shouldn't the power then go to the majority; especially in a country run by voters.

To be honest, I'm not sure what I'm even saying, but I do not like the look of those statistics.

[dirrty]

wow@the increase of people from poland.

[-:Undertaker:-]

45% of Londoners were white British, down from 58% in 2001

A big thank you mainly to the Labour Party but also the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats for turning out own capital city into a nearly non-British city. And I say that as somebody who doesn't think race is a problem at all - it's culture. If a country or geographic area does not have a monoculture then it is sowing division for the future, or heaping up our own funeral pyre as Enoch Powell put it. If you wish to come to Britain then you ought to integrate with our culture or leave - and the numbers that we have been allowing in simply render that impossible.

As somebody who is very content with the British culture, in the words of Sir Patrick Moore I have "not the slightest wish to integrate with anybody."

[-:Undertaker:-]

45% of Londoners were white British, down from 58% in 2001

A big thank you mainly to the Labour Party but also the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats for turning out own capital city into a nearly non-British city. And I say that as somebody who doesn't think race is a problem at all - it's culture. If a country or geographic area does not have a monoculture then it is sowing division for the future, or heaping up our own funeral pyre as Enoch Powell put it. If you wish to come to Britain then you ought to integrate with our culture or leave - and the numbers that we have been allowing in simply render that impossible.

As somebody who is very content with the British culture, in the words of Sir Patrick Moore I have "not the slightest wish to integrate with anybody."

[Kardan]

I was also surprised that Undertaker hadn't posted this yet either :P

I'm not sure what I feel on the matter, but I've been reading various comments on news sites, and most of them are just 'CLOSE THE BORDERS!' which I don't think is right. Plus, I like how everyone assumes that every foreigner is a bad person and must be kicked out of the country immediately.

It's also interesting that the census shows that more people in Northern Ireland consider themselves British, than Irish/Northern Irish, just proving the discussion we were all having in the Belfast Flag thread.

It's also interesting to see that the number of Christians is falling dramatically (overall total, not just percentage wise).

One thing that really gets me, which is what Undertaker has done, has said that because London only has 45% of White Brits, this means that London is non-British. Why do only White British people make London British? The census should look at people that are under the category of 'British', not just white people. The percentage would be a lot higher.

[Nige]

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[Inseriousity.]

One thing that really gets me, which is what Undertaker has done, has said that because London only has 45% of White Brits, this means that London is non-British. Why do only White British people make London British?

Exactly. There will be plenty of people who aren't White British who'll see themselves as British!

[Cerys]

;o Never suspected that the amount of Indians here would be higher than the Polish.

Though at the rate it's rising, I'm sure polish people will soon be higher than the rest.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm not sure what I feel on the matter, but I've been reading various comments on news sites, and most of them are just 'CLOSE THE BORDERS!' which I don't think is right. Plus, I like how everyone assumes that every foreigner is a bad person and must be kicked out of the country immediately.

The majority of people actually just want proper border controls, do remember that the British people have never been asked if they wanted multiculturalism and mass immigration - it's simply been forced upon us by an out of touch political class who don't have to live with the problems it brings, problems which almost always hurt those whom are poorest in this country.

Have you ever noticed how those who advocate 'diversity' and 'multiculturalism' are usually white middle class liberals who don't have to live amongst any of this? who don't have to put up with low wage jobs being taken, with traditional shops closing, with signs bearing different languages, with not a word of English being spoken on the streets.


One thing that really gets me, which is what Undertaker has done, has said that because London only has 45% of White Brits, this means that London is non-British. Why do only White British people make London British? The census should look at people that are under the category of 'British', not just white people. The percentage would be a lot higher.

Read what I wrote again as I purposely mentioned that colour isn't the problem so you're wrongly winding yourself up at something that I never suggested or hinted at and actually made it clear isn't a problem; it is the culture that is the problem - which I explicitly mentioned as I knew somebody would throw this at me.

I make the point that the influx has been so fast (which colour is an indicator of as it correlates with people from Africa, Asia and elsewhere) that the 'white British' number has now become the minority, with the British monoculture (which includes blacks, asians an so on) as a whole also shrunken. The point is very simple - that from the figures shown, the rate of immigration has been so fast that integration has been made impossible.

And i'd also note, that the one million+ estimated illegal immigrants here naturally don't show up on the survey.


Exactly. There will be plenty of people who aren't White British who'll see themselves as British!

Had yourself and Kardan carefully read what I had written then you'd find that I agree with this and made it very clear. I have not and have never suggested that colour is a means of being classed as British and resent being accused of doing so. Culture, culture, culture - not race.


And I say that as somebody who doesn't think race is a problem at all - it's culture.

Do I need to highlight this in bright red or something?

[Inseriousity.]

A big thank you mainly to the Labour Party but also the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats for turning out own capital city into a nearly non-British city.

Maybe this bit should be bright red as well!

[-:Undertaker:-]

Maybe this bit should be bright red as well!

And where is race mentioned there as a reason for it being a non-British city in my opinion? I don't mention race, read again what I said properly.

I can't believe I have to explain this, it's all very simple. Let's say just for example that in 2001 London was 80% white British and 10% black and asian British. Now, in 2012 that figure changes to 50% white British where as the black or asian figure increases to 40% - it's clear from this that a 20% rise in the black or asian figure means that there has been an influx from African or Asian countries (because that is where black and asian people come from) yes?

So the race part is simply just a correlation of the numbers but because it stands out that's how we can notice radical changes more. It is the same as a high street - imagine on your high street back in 2001 that 1 in 10 people were chinese and the rest white. In 2012, that has changed to 6 in 10 are chinese. Now from this, it's clear that there has been a large influx of chinese people who will (naturally) still retain their own culture.

..so my point is, that with such large scale and sudden mass immigration you prevent integration from taking place. Is this clear enough as to what I mean? race doesn't matter a jot but it's correlated with numbers coming in from Africa and Asia as the people there are black and brown. If the number changes so quickly in a manner that outpaces the black British birth rate, then that suggests a large influx of people who have not been born here in Britain and thus are unlikely to be British in the sense of cultural values.

My point is proven with the language numbers here; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247360/Census-2011-A-quarter-households-parts-London-contain-regularly-speaks-English.html

[Inseriousity.]

Or it could also mean that those from black and asian families have a higher birth rate than white British. That's the problem that we're trying to point out. When you try to make a complex thing with many different factors involved simplistic and attitribute it to one factor, you end up alienating a lot of people.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Or it could also mean that those from black and asian families have a higher birth rate than white British. That's the problem that we're trying to point out.

Indeed and they do have a higher birthrate, but we know from the numbers of the past 10 years that most of the growth especially in the south has come from uncontrolled mass immigration which is into the hundreds of thousands - and that's the issue here.


When you try to make a complex thing with many different factors involved simplistic and attitribute it to one factor, you end up alienating a lot of people.

The alienation doesn't come from me having to explain what should be very easy to understand points, the alienation comes from the fact that London is now a city that is ghettoised and becoming less and less British as the years pass. Nothing to do with race as I said over and over, that's just a non-important by product of the open borders we have.

But you'd agree with me for the need to control and limit immigration to ensure integration and avoid alienation, yes?

[Kardan]

The majority of people actually just want proper border controls, do remember that the British people have never been asked if they wanted multiculturalism and mass immigration - it's simply been forced upon us by an out of touch political class who don't have to live with the problems it brings, problems which almost always hurt those whom are poorest in this country.

Have you ever noticed how those who advocate 'diversity' and 'multiculturalism' are usually white middle class liberals who don't have to live amongst any of this? who don't have to put up with low wage jobs being taken, with traditional shops closing, with signs bearing different languages, with not a word of English being spoken on the streets.



Read what I wrote again as I purposely mentioned that colour isn't the problem so you're wrongly winding yourself up at something that I never suggested or hinted at and actually made it clear isn't a problem; it is the culture that is the problem - which I explicitly mentioned as I knew somebody would throw this at me.

I make the point that the influx has been so fast (which colour is an indicator of as it correlates with people from Africa, Asia and elsewhere) that the 'white British' number has now become the minority, with the British monoculture (which includes blacks, asians an so on) as a whole also shrunken. The point is very simple - that from the figures shown, the rate of immigration has been so fast that integration has been made impossible.

And i'd also note, that the one million+ estimated illegal immigrants here naturally don't show up on the survey.



Had yourself and Kardan carefully read what I had written then you'd find that I agree with this and made it very clear. I have not and have never suggested that colour is a means of being classed as British and resent being accused of doing so. Culture, culture, culture - not race.



Do I need to highlight this in bright red or something?

I was basing what I said on your 'Nearly turning London into a non-British city' from the 'London is 45% White British' you quoted :P

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And where is race mentioned there as a reason for it being a non-British city in my opinion? I don't mention race, read again what I said properly.

I can't believe I have to explain this, it's all very simple. Let's say just for example that in 2001 London was 80% white British and 10% black and asian British. Now, in 2012 that figure changes to 50% white British where as the black or asian figure increases to 40% - it's clear from this that a 20% rise in the black or asian figure means that there has been an influx from African or Asian countries (because that is where black and asian people come from) yes?

So the race part is simply just a correlation of the numbers but because it stands out that's how we can notice radical changes more. It is the same as a high street - imagine on your high street back in 2001 that 1 in 10 people were chinese and the rest white. In 2012, that has changed to 6 in 10 are chinese. Now from this, it's clear that there has been a large influx of chinese people who will (naturally) still retain their own culture.

..so my point is, that with such large scale and sudden mass immigration you prevent integration from taking place. Is this clear enough as to what I mean? race doesn't matter a jot but it's correlated with numbers coming in from Africa and Asia as the people there are black and brown. If the number changes so quickly in a manner that outpaces the black British birth rate, then that suggests a large influx of people who have not been born here in Britain and thus are unlikely to be British in the sense of cultural values.

My point is proven with the language numbers here; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247360/Census-2011-A-quarter-households-parts-London-contain-regularly-speaks-English.html

I don't have an issue with most of your things, the only thing I disagree with is how the census questions/answers are worded. In your example, 80% White British, 10% Black (Assuming you mean non-British here), 10% Asian British - this should read as 90% British (White+Asian) and 10% Not-British (Black), but the way the answers are, and the way the media are portraying it, is that only the White British figures go towards 'British' overall, which is wrong.

I think the first post has figures saying about 13% of people are born outside of the UK. That means 87% are British...

[Niall!]

My point is proven with the language numbers here; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247360/Census-2011-A-quarter-households-parts-London-contain-regularly-speaks-English.html

See that right there is the only problem I have with immigration. I don't mind other cultures, infact I quite enjoy sitting talking to my african housemates about their traditions and religions etc but that's because they speak very good english. However, I cannot stand people who live in my street and insist on speaking a foreign language. It's rude and can be quite intimidating at nights when their sons are the ones standing on street corners (and yes, the ones who refuse to speak english in my area are often the source of most of the crime, hell they've chased me a few times).