Assorted/Misc Removal

[Kardan]

Quote from the Forum Updates Announcement:


The Assorted/Misc forum has been removed. This was first introduced back in September to stop post count from rising in threads that allow for short replies. After a few months it has become clear that this has had no benefit to the forum overall and so I have decided to get rid of it completely.

The old music and tv threads have been re-opened for posting, however all the other threads from the assorted forum can be re-created in the suitable forum.

I suspect there will be a feedback thread regarding this so you can leave your thoughts there.

Simply, why?

Also, in the same thread, it says the Christmas Forum has been removed but 'your posts are still there', does this mean that post count wasn't removed which goes against what I was told, or does it mean that the posts have just been hidden but not deleted :)

[Chris]

The assorted forum has no benefit to the forum whatsoever. It was just forgotten about and so it wasn't worth it being there. Christmas forum posts are still there and the post count hasn't been removed from them.

[Kardan]

The assorted forum has no benefit to the forum whatsoever. It was just forgotten about and so it wasn't worth it being there. Christmas forum posts are still there and the post count hasn't been removed from them.

It wasn't forgotten about, people were still posting in there, but I'm pretty sure we can't check that now since it's been removed... I can see subforums on here that are less used than Assorted/Misc but are still around, so I don't understand why it's been removed. Of course it's just brought the previous problem back, and it might see an increase considering 100 posts gets you VIP now...

And I'm sure I was told that the Christmas posts would not change post count, let me find the quote...

[-Nick]

My posts count has gone down i swear though? Chris;

[Kardan]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=765058

Got told post count would be removed after Christmas.

[David]

And I'm sure I was told that the Christmas posts would not change post count, let me find the quote...

I remember reading this too, wasn't it one of the super mods that said so?

[Chris]

It wasn't forgotten about, people were still posting in there, but I'm pretty sure we can't check that now since it's been removed... I can see subforums on here that are less used than Assorted/Misc but are still around, so I don't understand why it's been removed. Of course it's just brought the previous problem back, and it might see an increase considering 100 posts gets you VIP now...

And I'm sure I was told that the Christmas posts would not change post count, let me find the quote...

We're trying to increase posting stats and encourage it.


My posts count has gone down i swear though? Chris;

Nope nothing has been removed.


http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=765058

Got told post count would be removed after Christmas.

It wasn't me that said that. Post count wasn't removed from the Christmas threads last year either.

[Kardan]

We're trying to increase posting stats and encourage it.



Nope nothing has been removed.

So that is the reason why the forum was removed then, rather than it not being used? Because it was being used...

[Chris]

So that is the reason why the forum was removed then, rather than it not being used? Because it was being used...

Hardly. There were only a few threads being posted in.

Regardless of what anybody says about this change its going to stay as it is now.

[Kardan]

Hardly. There were only a few threads being posted in.

Regardless of what anybody says about this change its going to stay as it is now.

There were only a few threads in the subforum.

If that's the reason for removal, why isn't the Nintendo subforum removed? We've had 2 threads since September in there.

[-Nick]

Hardly. There were only a few threads being posted in.

Regardless of what anybody says about this change its going to stay as it is now.

If we want more posting we should get a Joke Thread it was awesome :D

[Chris]

There were only a few threads in the subforum.

If that's the reason for removal, why isn't the Nintendo subforum removed? We've had 2 threads since September in there.

We could well remove all the subforums in the games section as discussed in the other feedback thread.

[Kardan]

We could well remove all the subforums in the games section as discussed in the other feedback thread.

That would probably be best, I had a quick look in Sony, and they've had something like 5 threads this year.

So, Christmas Forum, Jordan was simply wrong was he?

And in regards to post count boosting, what are the rules to that? Because two people aren't allowed to consecutively post after each other, but obviously this is based on some sort of time scale, since it's not against the rules for someone to post many hours after the other person...

If you can't beat them, join them. Time to post random images for VIP.

[Chris]

That would probably be best, I had a quick look in Sony, and they've had something like 5 threads this year.

So, Christmas Forum, Jordan was simply wrong was he?

And in regards to post count boosting, what are the rules to that? Because two people aren't allowed to consecutively post after each other, but obviously this is based on some sort of time scale, since it's not against the rules for someone to post many hours after the other person...

If you can't beat them, join them. Time to post random images for VIP.

Yes he was wrong.

Theres no set time, it's just common sense. If you want to be awkward about it then thats fine, but you'll probably be contacted about it if you abuse the threads.

[lawrawrrr]

Could have GUESSED this was going to happen... it always was a pointless forum.

As for other subforums (Nintendo etc) I don't see the point in removing SOME but leaving some still - it should either be completely merged or all separate, to avoid a bit of confusion. I'll have a look at them, usually a forum I stay away from for the most part, there's got to be a happy medium somewhere between non-used subforums and one huge amalgamated forum where you can never find what you want.

The new award just encourages spamming, especially in the threads which used to be in assorted/misc... I know the idea is to encourage posting but this is kind of the opposite effect. Ok, you're getting more posts, but you're getting much less interesting and important content and it could actually be off-putting for new users who come to the forum and can only see irrelevant spam for the most part, from users who just want another award or some VIP.

[The Don]

That would probably be best, I had a quick look in Sony, and they've had something like 5 threads this year.

So, Christmas Forum, Jordan was simply wrong was he?

And in regards to post count boosting, what are the rules to that? Because two people aren't allowed to consecutively post after each other, but obviously this is based on some sort of time scale, since it's not against the rules for someone to post many hours after the other person...

If you can't beat them, join them. Time to post random images for VIP.

Such a petty attitude. You seem to be the only person who cares enough to abuse post count.

[Kardan]

Such a petty attitude. You seem to be the only person who cares enough to abuse post count.

Where did I say I was going to abuse it? I'm simply going to use the threads for the purpose that they have, posting random images :P I just feel that spam has more content really...

[Absently]

i think this is a great idea! never really understood us not getting post count in certain forums, at the end of the day it's only a post count. hopefully it will increase post count :D

[The Don]

Where did I say I was going to abuse it? I'm simply going to use the threads for the purpose that they have, posting random images :P I just feel that spam has more content really...



If you can't beat them, join them. Time to post random images for VIP

I assume to attempt to prove some sort of point. Realistically, nobody cares about post count and it seems bizarre to actively discourage posting when post count has absolutely no value.

I didn't mean that you abuse your post count, I was insinuating that you seem to be the only person who cares enough to do so.

[Kardan]

I assume to attempt to prove some sort of point. Realistically, nobody cares about post count and it seems bizarre to actively discourage posting when post count has absolutely no value.

I didn't mean that you abuse your post count, I was insinuating that you seem to be the only person who cares enough to do so.

The thing is Habbox Management give post count a value by disallowing it in certain places and allowing it in others. If we just scrapped post count altogether or allowed it everywhere then there wouldn't be an issue. But now, they've gone back to saying that random images are worthy of post count whereas some spam threads, which actually have valuable discussion, aren't worthy.

And Rule A7 is now out of date:

A7. Do not post pointlessly ~ ~ Do not post off-topic ~ An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic or any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.
~ Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are (ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!); (BYRDSB +HKK; ) (I am a plane)
~ Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion.

[the.games]

The thing is Habbox Management give post count a value by disallowing it in certain places and allowing it in others. If we just scrapped post count altogether or allowed it everywhere then there wouldn't be an issue. But now, they've gone back to saying that random images are worthy of post count whereas some spam threads, which actually have valuable discussion, aren't worthy.

And Rule A7 is now out of date:

A7. Do not post pointlessly ~ ~ Do not post off-topic ~ An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic or any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.
~ Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are (ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!); (BYRDSB +HKK; ) (I am a plane)
~ Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion.

These threads dont only allow for one or two word answers though, theres plenty of opportunity for more complex replies :P.

If the threads are overused the users will be dealt with but until that point if it gets more activity into the Entertainment and other forums I don't see a problem with the removal of the Misc forum. :P

[Calvin]

These threads dont only allow for one or two word answers though, theres plenty of opportunity for more complex replies :P.

If the threads are overused the users will be dealt with but until that point if it gets more activity into the Entertainment and other forums I don't see a problem with the removal of the Misc forum. :PComplex replies like what? Out of the times I've been to those threads, I've never seen any posts besides a song name or an image.

The "what's the last thing you ate or drank?" is just an archive of what teens eat on a daily basis really lol.. perhaps it'll come in handy for a scientist one day.

[Kardan]

These threads dont only allow for one or two word answers though, theres plenty of opportunity for more complex replies :P.

If the threads are overused the users will be dealt with but until that point if it gets more activity into the Entertainment and other forums I don't see a problem with the removal of the Misc forum. :P

Just because they allow oppourtunity for complex replies, doesn't mean they avoid the rules. 'What are you wearing' for example 'Jeans and T-Shirt' is deemed acceptable but is only a few words. The random image thread you need no words. This rule now needs to be removed because it contradicts the fact that these threads have been reinstated.

[scottish]

Theres a very few exceptions to the rules which forum management allow (such as the what.. threads that have to be allowed by management or they'll simply be removed)

again seems to be only you that cares enough about this, and digging up threads that haven't been posted in since early december to boost your post count by 1..

[Kardan]

Theres a very few exceptions to the rules which forum management allow (such as the what.. threads that have to be allowed by management or they'll simply be removed)

again seems to be only you that cares enough about this, and digging up threads that haven't been posted in since early december to boost your post count by 1..

Some have just been unlocked.. And December was only 5 days ago? Isn't it 2 weeks that counts as a bump, or is that an old rule? And if it's a bump, then go ahead and close it :P

And if I'm the only one that cares, why do you care that I posted in one of the threads? :P

[scottish]

Some have just been unlocked.. And December was only 5 days ago? Isn't it 2 weeks that counts as a bump, or is that an old rule? And if it's a bump, then go ahead and close it :P

And if I'm the only one that cares, why do you care that I posted in one of the threads? :P

I'm not saying it's a bump, I'm saying that only you're that sad to look through a forum to find a thread that hasn't been posted in for weeks (hence digging up old threads) to increment your post count by 1.

and because you're attempting to be petty or whatever, like a kid throwing toys out of pram because you didn't get your own way (misc/assort forum kept) :P

but yeah if you constantly abuse post any images etc you'll just get warned for it :P

[Kardan]

I'm not saying it's a bump, I'm saying that only you're that sad to look through a forum to find a thread that hasn't been posted in for weeks (hence digging up old threads) to increment your post count by 1.

and because you're attempting to be petty or whatever, like a kid throwing toys out of pram because you didn't get your own way (misc/assort forum kept) :P

but yeah if you constantly abuse post any images etc you'll just get warned for it :P

I'm aware that you'll get warned, that's fine, and I'm not being petty because I know that the forum won't come back, but as I said, if you can't beat them you might as well join them :P So I'm just posting in the thread like everyone else :)

And I didn't look through a forum, they were all stickied because they had been returned to their previous forums :) And the whole idea that the forum was removed was so people would post more in these threads, yet I'm being called sad for doing what management wants me to do? :P

[scottish]

nothing to reply to that other than 'yes'

Also regarding the post any images thread I think a common sense kind of rule should be put in place so anyone who's just copying an image that's easily available from the page they're on (e.g. another members image, another members sig, a 'reply to thread' button, a rep block or whatever else) would be considered against the rules and said member warned/contacted.

[Kardan]

nothing to reply to that other than 'yes'

Also regarding the post any images thread I think a common sense kind of rule should be put in place so anyone who's just copying an image that's easily available from the page they're on (e.g. another members image, another members sig, a 'reply to thread' button, a rep block or whatever else) would be considered against the rules and said member warned/contacted.

I agree :P But then how do you police such a thing? They could just go to the page before? And it's called 'Post ANY image', and those are images :P

[scottish]

Wouldn't be hard to police such a thing

When i asked the thread to be made i'm sure I commented on posting the same image multiple times (not sure if this is a note or rule or if it's even in the thread)

But as I said it wouldn't be hard to police, it seems only you're doing it so :P I think one other member pasted the image from their sig.

As you previously said can't beat them join in, then do the same as they do and find random images ;)

[Kardan]

Wouldn't be hard to police such a thing

When i asked the thread to be made i'm sure I commented on posting the same image multiple times (not sure if this is a note or rule or if it's even in the thread)

But as I said it wouldn't be hard to police, it seems only you're doing it so :P I think one other member pasted the image from their sig.

As you previously said can't beat them join in, then do the same as they do and find random images ;)

It is a random image :P (Technically, it's not a random image, since the human brain can't do anything 'random'). And the multiple images is a note, purely because it can't be a rule because the moderators would have to go through every single post.

And I'm all for any rules being made on that thread to be honest, if you can't post anything visible on that page then so be it. (You'd just use the page previous for example).

[scottish]

could still implement it as a rule (obviously wouldn't expect mods to look through every page) but if a member spotted it had previously been posted report it :)

[The Don]

I'm aware that you'll get warned, that's fine, and I'm not being petty because I know that the forum won't come back, but as I said, if you can't beat them you might as well join them :P So I'm just posting in the thread like everyone else :)


which is extremely petty, don't understand how you can't see otherwise...

[Kardan]

which is extremely petty, don't understand how you can't see otherwise...

I don't see how saying 'If you can't beat them, join them' is petty.

[The Don]

I don't see how saying 'If you can't beat them, join them' is petty.

Because you've been nothing but critical of those particular threads and have had no interest in posting in them up until now and are merely doing so to prove some nonsensical point. Unless you weren't being sarcastic and have decided to participate in those particular threads, which you were complaining about not so long ago, which would would be slightly hypocritical.

[Kardan]

Because you've been nothing but critical of those particular threads and have had no interest in posting in them up until now and are merely doing so to prove some nonsensical point. Unless you weren't being sarcastic and have decided to participate in those particular threads which you were complaining about not so long ago which would would be slightly hypocritical.

Yes, I'm being hypocritical :P If everyone else is going to be posting in it and they won't be removed, then what's the point in me being against them anymore? If I was doing it to be petty, I don't think many people would take notice of where I'm posting to be honest, although I did get a -rep for not putting any effort in the 'Post a random image' thread, so maybe people do take notice - either way, I am being hypocritical :)

[Aiden]

Wasnt it just added like a few weeks ago? Ohh bye nvm lol.

[Kardan]

Oh, and another point Chris;

This new VIP posting scheme, all well and good except that the people that get 100 posts/week normally each week will then win VIP each week and have unlimited VIP and therefore will never need to buy donator. Obviously it might not have much of an impact if those people win VIP enough for them not to buy it anyway, but would it not impact donations slightly?

[scottish]

doubt many people buy donator to begin with as vip is easy to obtain, especially as most people have a years vip for the latest haven't they?

[Kardan]

doubt many people buy donator to begin with as vip is easy to obtain, especially as most people have a years vip for the latest haven't they?

Yeah, I suspected this, but if there are a few people out there that do buy donator, then surely this will kill them off if they're active enough (and you'd assume so if they were buying donator :P)

[Chris]

We'll see how it goes for now and make any changes if we need to. :)

[LiquidLuck.]

It's just one week of VIP, not one month so not many trouble with it, first of all.

Second, everyone who actually got interested in the Christmas forum got max like what 50 posts? Not such a big deal..

[Kardan]

It's just one week of VIP, not one month so not many trouble with it, first of all.

Second, everyone who actually got interested in the Christmas forum got max like what 50 posts? Not such a big deal..

There would be no difference if it was a months VIP, then you would have unlimited VIP and have some extra incase you decided not to get 100/week :P But you can still get unlimited VIP now. It depends how many people I do it I suspect :)

[Zelda]

lmao i got 99 posts in the week damn so close lmao :P

Idm the idea tbh as long as abuse of the threads is dealt with so that they dont get free vip just through doing that ha ha, quite like it actually

[LiquidLuck.]

There would be no difference if it was a months VIP, then you would have unlimited VIP and have some extra incase you decided not to get 100/week :P But you can still get unlimited VIP now. It depends how many people I do it I suspect :)

Yes, anyone can have unlimited VIP, but you need to be an active part of the community. Be best member, best staff, win competitions.. it's not gonna fall from the sky.. But I do agree that the forum will start being spammed..

[Kardan]

Yes, anyone can have unlimited VIP, but you need to be an active part of the community. Be best member, best staff, win competitions.. it's not gonna fall from the sky.. But I do agree that the forum will start being spammed..

You can get 'unlimited VIP' earlier but either skill/luck came into it from competitions or being chosen to get an award, but now you can get unlimited VIP via your own doing and get it every week without fail. That's the significant difference. We'll have to see if it actually changes anything though in a few weeks time.

[Chippiewill]

We'll see how it goes for now and make any changes if we need to. :)

This. I did in my original suggestion say that VIP probably wasn't necessary, however unlike previous *competitions* it's an ongoing thing so people will be less inclined to suddenly start spamming. It's worth a try and can be changed if necessary.

[LiquidLuck.]

You can get 'unlimited VIP' earlier but either skill/luck came into it from competitions or being chosen to get an award, but now you can get unlimited VIP via your own doing and get it every week without fail. That's the significant difference. We'll have to see if it actually changes anything though in a few weeks time.

Yeah, I don't think that earning VIP should come from spamming.. maybe some rep if you really want to give top posters something, but VIP should be earned.

[FlyingJesus]

Strange mix of updates, allowing easier spam posts and then rewarding people for it :P basically telling people to post "Adele - I'm A Whale" over and over and over and over for a prize

[Chippiewill]

Strange mix of updates, allowing easier spam posts and then rewarding people for it :P basically telling people to post "Adele - I'm A Whale" over and over and over and over for a prize
The stats script could be set up not to count spammable threads.

[LiquidLuck.]

The stats script could be set up not to count spammable threads.

But the ''What are you..'' are considered by most HxF users like posts to upgrade your post count, and I think most of us actually liked the fact that they were moved and if you actually notice it, none of those threads were commented since they were moved to assorted because they don't helped your post count anymore..

[Kardan]

The stats script could be set up not to count spammable threads.

Technically all threads are spammable, but in your context, if these threads are considered a problem and 'spammable' then why have they had their post count re-enabled? :P

[GommeInc]

Good decision. It was simply change for the sake of change. The forum was created for quite literally no reasons... there was no debate over it and this is the result - the change being reverted because it simply did not work.

The logic behind the removal of these threads was non-existent and foggy. Those in favour of the removal of these threads didn't really understand why they wanted the threads moved other than they have some strange, unknown vendetta against them. Facts and strong logic by those against the change clearly won the day here. Post count isn't bragged about, posts aren't worth (objectively) that much and these threads aren't actually spammed in. As for pointless posting, well, a clear lack of knowing what the word "pointless" means was the trouble with that.

A thumbs up from me.

[Kardan]

Chris; Jordan;

I'm told I can't discuss this any further by PM and to bring it up in the feedback thread, so here we are.

This is about the post any images thread for those that don't know. Basically, I posted 11 images that followed all the rules set in the thread and set for the whole forum, yet my posts have been removed for being "stupid".

Can moderators just remove posts for being "stupid"? If I think many peoples posts in that thread are stupid, can I report them? Surely a 'Post any images' thread should allow all images, except those that break the rules?

[Jordan]

@Chris (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55895); @Jordan (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=57962);

I'm told I can't discuss this any further by PM and to bring it up in the feedback thread, so here we are.

This is about the post any images thread for those that don't know. Basically, I posted 11 images that followed all the rules set in the thread and set for the whole forum, yet my posts have been removed for being "stupid".

Can moderators just remove posts for being "stupid"? If I think many peoples posts in that thread are stupid, can I report them? Surely a 'Post any images' thread should allow all images, except those that break the rules?

Kardan the posts I removed from the thread were the images of peoples avatars, signatures and reputation blocks. Stupid images and not something the thread was created for. Everyone is capable of seeing someones signature because it's in their signature.

please just accept that you won't get anything done with this thread and do something else.

[Chris]

11 images in a very short amount of time. You're doing this just because you didn't get your own way. If you want to do that then fine but what you're doing is extremely petty so I don't know why you're so surprised that your posts are being removed.

[Kardan]

11 images in a very short amount of time. You're doing this just because you didn't get your own way. If you want to do that then fine but what you're doing is extremely petty so I don't know why you're so surprised that your posts are being removed.

11 images in 9 hours and 24 mins is considered excessive? Does that mean I can report people that also exceed this? I'm seeing people that are posting 3 images in 6 minutes, but my 11 images in 9h 24 is too much?

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Kardan the posts I removed from the thread were the images of peoples avatars, signatures and reputation blocks. Stupid images and not something the thread was created for. Everyone is capable of seeing someones signature because it's in their signature.

please just accept that you won't get anything done with this thread and do something else.

So you are removing my posts because they broke a rule that you made afterwards? Should I go and report all the other posts that have done this?

[Chris]

The images you posted are all images from the forum. I see you posted peoples avatars and rep blocks. You are the only person that actually seems to care about this change so I think you're going to have to accept it and move on.

[FlyingJesus]

What, pray tell, makes a picture of a fish or a guitar or the Habbo logo any less stupid than a rep block? It's either ok to post pointless images or it's not ok to post pointless images, in a thread that says you should post ANY image you can't then say "but not that one"

[Jordan]

11 images in 9 hours and 24 mins is considered excessive? Does that mean I can report people that also exceed this? I'm seeing people that are posting 3 images in 6 minutes, but my 11 images in 9h 24 is too much?

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So you are removing my posts because they broke a rule that you made afterwards? Should I go and report all the other posts that have done this?

Posting images of the things you did was not what the thread was created for. The posts you made also created an argument in that thread and so I've also removed your posts (and the argument) because of that.

[Kardan]

The images you posted are all images from the forum. I see you posted peoples avatars and rep blocks. You are the only person that actually seems to care about this change so I think you're going to have to accept it and move on.

You don't seem to be answering my questions here :P And no, not all of them were from the forum :P And can we just make clear that this isn't about the forum removal anymore, what I'm doing on this thread is simply the issues with this thread :P As I've said numerous times, it's clear that assorted/misc isn't coming back :P

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Also, this new rule that I have been punished for. Any reason why you haven't punished everyone else that has broke the rule?

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Posting images of the things you did was not what the thread was created for. The posts you made also created an argument in that thread and so I've also removed your posts (and the argument) because of that.

So why have you not removed the posts of other people that have broken the rule?

[scottish]

xxMATTGxx; you have my permission to hellban kardan

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You don't seem to be answering my questions here :P And no, not all of them were from the forum :P And can we just make clear that this isn't about the forum removal anymore, what I'm doing on this thread is simply the issues with this thread :P As I've said numerous times, it's clear that assorted/misc isn't coming back :P

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Also, this new rule that I have been punished for. Any reason why you haven't punished everyone else that has broke the rule?

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So why have you not removed the posts of other people that have broken the rule?

the 4 or so of us who were calling you pathetic also got our images/posts removed.

and presumably the other people who broke the rule didn't get removed as they didn't excessively do it like your 11 posts.

[GommeInc]

So why have you not removed the posts of other people that have broken the rule?
The problem seems to be that you're doing it to gain a reaction because you didn't get your own way with the assorted/misc forum. Other people are doing it in their own time and not using it as an excuse to vent childish, petty anger. This whole thread is proof - you're the only one making an unnecessary scene :rolleyes:

[Jordan]

Also, this new rule that I have been punished for. Any reason why you haven't punished everyone else that has broke the rule?


I haven't told anyone off, with some of the people I've just Pm'd them letting them know that a new rule had been added. I hadn't recorded it in their usernotes or anything.


So why have you not removed the posts of other people that have broken the rule?

Because they don't post one after another to prove a point.

[Kardan]

The problem seems to be that you're doing it to gain a reaction because you didn't get your own way with the assorted/misc forum. Other people are doing it in their own time and not using it as an excuse to vent childish, petty anger. This whole thread is proof - you're the only one making an unnecessary scene :rolleyes:

If I follow all the rules on the forum, why can I not post what I want too? And can people try and understand that it isn't to get the forum reinstated, it's more to show the sillyness of the post images thread. I've followed all the rules, but me posting in there isn't acceptable :P


I haven't told anyone off, with some of the people I've just Pm'd them letting them know that a new rule had been added. I hadn't recorded it in their usernotes or anything.



Because they don't post one after another to prove a point.

So you can now break rules as long as you don't do it repeatedly?

This is becoming less of a problem with the thread and more of a problem with rules and how they are carried out...

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xxMATTGxx; you have my permission to hellban kardan

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the 4 or so of us who were calling you pathetic also got our images/posts removed.

and presumably the other people who broke the rule didn't get removed as they didn't excessively do it like your 11 posts.

This is the issue I'm bringing up, I'm aware some people got posts removed, but not all.

So I can avoid the filter once, but as long as I don't do it again, it's fine?

[GommeInc]

If I follow all the rules on the forum, why can I not post what I want too? And can people try and understand that it isn't to get the forum reinstated, it's more to show the sillyness of the post images thread. I've followed all the rules, but me posting in there isn't acceptable :P
Clearly it has got something to do with it as you're trying to show the sillyness of the thread (otherwise you're doing it for no real reason, but then again you did argue to get all those threads moved for what was no reason too). By the looks of things, it's proving that it's not the thread that's being silly - it's you. You're showing yourself up, not the thread.

[scottish]

We can (WITHOUT ANY PRIOR NOTICE) edit, close/lock, move, duplicate or publish any of your posted content because as soon as it is posted, you are the author of the content, but it becomes property of HabboxForum.

now shut the **** up and get over the fact it didn't go as you planned. No reason to throw your toys out the pram.

[Kardan]

We can (WITHOUT ANY PRIOR NOTICE) edit, close/lock, move, duplicate or publish any of your posted content because as soon as it is posted, you are the author of the content, but it becomes property of HabboxForum.

now shut the **** up and get over the fact it didn't go as you planned. No reason to throw your toys out the pram.

You're not answering what I asked you :P Both you and Jordan have said that because they only broke the rule once, it's fine. But surely this goes against the point of what a rule is?

[FlyingJesus]

I have no doubt that Kardan was just being a nonce but can I still get an answer to my question because I don't get what the difference is other than his intention

[scottish]

You're not answering what I asked you :P Both you and Jordan have said that because they only broke the rule once, it's fine. But surely this goes against the point of what a rule is?

You didn't ask me anything, but the fact other members only done it once before the rule was put into place, but the rule was put into place because you're being an annoying **** trying to prove a point, so ofc you're going to get told off for it (hell last night you were asking if you'd get infracted in the help desk so don't act as if you didn't see it coming..)

[Kardan]

Clearly it has got something to do with it as you're trying to show the sillyness of the thread (otherwise you're doing it for no real reason, but then again you did argue to get all those threads moved for what was no reason too). By the looks of things, it's proving that it's not the thread that's being silly - it's you. You're showing yourself up, not the thread.

It depends how you look at it. Me posting in the thread did of course come from the removal of the forum, but me posting in the thread will not change anything about the removal of the forum. That's how I see things. I'm not complaining about the forum being removed, alas, that's what I did at the start of this thread and had campaigned for the few months beforehand. Neither am I saying I want the images thread removed or locked.

I'm simply posting *any* image that follows the rules of the thread and forum, yet I'm still being criticised. Why?

Another issue that has come up from this however, is how rules are adhered to. I've had my posts removed for breaking the rules, but if you break a rule once, it's okay. I'm sure we all know that isn't how rules work around here.

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You didn't ask me anything, but the fact other members only done it once before the rule was put into place, but the rule was put into place because you're being an annoying **** trying to prove a point, so ofc you're going to get told off for it (hell last night you were asking if you'd get infracted in the help desk so don't act as if you didn't see it coming..)

Look up about 6 posts, I asked you:

So I can avoid the filter once, but as long as I don't do it again, it's fine?

And yes, I accepted that I was going to get told off for it, hence why the thread was closed :P But does my point not stand, if my posts were removed for breaking the rules, why were other posts not removed for breaking the rules?

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I have no doubt that Kardan was just being a nonce but can I still get an answer to my question because I don't get what the difference is other than his intention

I know, but since when was 'being a nonce' against the rules? :P

[Kardan]

Are you just ignoring mine and FlyingJesus;' comments? Would be nice to actually know the difference between images and why we can now break rules once and not be punished :P

[Charz777]

This is hilariously trivial and ridiculous.
Aiden/Kardan posted images that may be deemed ‘pointless’ but what’s wrong with that? Especially considering that the thread is called ‘Post Any Image.’ So, surely posting whatever he likes as long as it’s decent and within forum and thread rules is fine.

Secondly, now there is a newly enforced rule by which says you can’t post ‘forum material’ such as Avatars, which is fair enough, but does that mean Aiden can post several other ‘pointless’ images and get away with it? Because in all fairness it really depends on the recipient as to what they think is pointless. If someone posted three pictures of kangaroos because they are interested in kangaroos, I could say that’s pointless. Or I could post three pictures of Daniel Radcliffe because I like Harry Potter but someone else might find that pointless.

Point three. I think this is all a pathetic continuation of the ‘post count’ issue. People need to grow up and realise post count isn’t important and is just apathetic thing to fret over. Quality over quantity remember. We all know that Aiden swings both ways with this. One minute he’s against pointless post counts, and the next he’s joining in with pointless posts to increase his count on the basis of ‘well, everyone else does it.’

So, back to the point, fair enough if you can’t post Habbox/Habbo images etc. But as for post frequency, that’s stupid. You can’t base this on the closeness of posts. In debates many of us post every 3 minutes or so (some of which post and opinions could be deemed ‘pointless’) so why aren’t those removed and their writers warned/punished?

This is just ridiculous and quite frankly wrongly judgemental. Aiden technically has done nothing wrong, he followed the thread title and posted any image, and didn’t continue to post anything Habbox related after the new rule was brought in. And now you’re saying he’s posting too much, when no one has ever been victimised for this behaviour before.

And finally, as for the whole ‘you did it more than once,’ can you please provide an answer to the point of does this mean we can break any rule once and get away with it? Can I swear once and post indecent images as long as I stop after I get a warning?

On one hand, you can say that Aiden is acting childish over the Assorted/Misc forum and that ever running post count controversy because he doesn’t agree with this system (well, that’s life, sometimes you have to deal). But on the other hand you could say the moderators are being incredibly biased and unfair to Aiden and seem to be making up silly rules as they go along and acting childishly themselves, when quite frankly they should have better things to do than complain about 11 simple, innocent images that as a matter of fact hurt no one and break no rules.

[scottish]

This is hilariously trivial and ridiculous.
Aiden/Kardan posted images that may be deemed ‘pointless’ but what’s wrong with that? Especially considering that the thread is called ‘Post Any Image.’ So, surely posting whatever he likes as long as it’s decent and within forum and thread rules is fine.

Secondly, now there is a newly enforced rule by which says you can’t post ‘forum material’ such as Avatars, which is fair enough, but does that mean Aiden can post several other ‘pointless’ images and get away with it? Because in all fairness it really depends on the recipient as to what they think is pointless. If someone posted three pictures of kangaroos because they are interested in kangaroos, I could say that’s pointless. Or I could post three pictures of Daniel Radcliffe because I like Harry Potter but someone else might find that pointless.

Point three. I think this is all a pathetic continuation of the ‘post count’ issue. People need to grow up and realise post count isn’t important and is just apathetic thing to fret over. Quality over quantity remember. We all know that Aiden swings both ways with this. One minute he’s against pointless post counts, and the next he’s joining in with pointless posts to increase his count on the basis of ‘well, everyone else does it.’

So, back to the point, fair enough if you can’t post Habbox/Habbo images etc. But as for post frequency, that’s stupid. You can’t base this on the closeness of posts. In debates many of us post every 3 minutes or so (some of which post and opinions could be deemed ‘pointless’) so why aren’t those removed and their writers warned/punished?

This is just ridiculous and quite frankly wrongly judgemental. Aiden technically has done nothing wrong, he followed the thread title and posted any image, and didn’t continue to post anything Habbox related after the new rule was brought in. And now you’re saying he’s posting too much, when no one has ever been victimised for this behaviour before.

And finally, as for the whole ‘you did it more than once,’ can you please provide an answer to the point of does this mean we can break any rule once and get away with it? Can I swear once and post indecent images as long as I stop after I get a warning?

On one hand, you can say that Aiden is acting childish over the Assorted/Misc forum and that ever running post count controversy because he doesn’t agree with this system (well, that’s life, sometimes you have to deal). But on the other hand you could say the moderators are being incredibly biased and unfair to Aiden and seem to be making up silly rules as they go along and acting childishly themselves, when quite frankly they should have better things to do than complain about 11 simple, innocent images that as a matter of fact hurt no one and break no rules.

Skimmed through your post as it's the same crap hes posting really

(only got up to point 3 lol), point being on point 3 the only issue with post count is aiden. no-one else could give a crap until eh started crying about it then attempting to throw a tantrum to prove a point.

[Charz777]

Skimmed through your post as it's the same crap hes posting really

(only got up to point 3 lol), point being on point 3 the only issue with post count is aiden. no-one else could give a crap until eh started crying about it then attempting to throw a tantrum to prove a point.

Well, no I’m not posting what he’s posting because I totally disagree with the whole causing a stink over post counts because I think that’s really childish. Don’t make the assumption that I’m going to agree with everything he says because I’m his girlfriend.

Besides, where has Aiden thrown a tantrum? I’m pretty sure everyone else is throwing a tantrum because he posted a few images, and they’re the ones acting like it’s the end of the world.

[scottish]

Well, no I’m not posting what he’s posting because I totally disagree with the whole causing a stink over post counts because I think that’s really childish. Don’t make the assumption that I’m going to agree with everything he says because I’m his girlfriend.

Besides, where has Aiden thrown a tantrum? I’m pretty sure everyone else is throwing a tantrum because he posted a few images, and they’re the ones acting like it’s the end of the world.

The reason he started attempting to abuse the thread because he didn't get his way with the assort/misc thread would be where he threw his tantrum

[FlyingJesus]

idc what his reasons for posting were, I just want to know why one picture is deemed more pointless than another in a thread that's called post any images. If I went into debates and made a hugely well-sourced and intelligent rebuttal of a post that I actually agreed with my intentions would be daft but that wouldn't make the post pointless, and since there is literally just one requirement in the pictures thread (that you post a picture) I can't really see why a fuss was made that he wasn't taking it "seriously"

[Charz777]

The reason he started attempting to abuse the thread because he didn't get his way with the assort/misc thread would be where he threw his tantrum

I wouldn't call it a tantrum, more pointing out the flaws in the whole forum system. If we debate with words over things, why not with actions? Ever heard of rebelling?

Even if it is childish behaviour, the moderators who are supposedly superiour to us and you hope wouldbe more mature, along with others are giving as much of a childish response.

So, I've just posted an image of a sportsman I like. You or anyone else could think it pointless, but I support him and think a lot of him. If in the next few minutes I find another one which I'd like to share with the forum, because it's all about sharing interests and the thread is called 'post any image' and it's not breaking and rules, can a post another? What about if I wanted to post images of every single band I like? etc... Is that pointless, too frequent, or are the mods going to make up another silly rule such as they don't support him or he's wearing a blue outfit?

[Kyle]

This is hilariously trivial and ridiculous.

Pretty much sums up the collective opinion on this and all other threads kardan has posted in regards to 'abusing' postcount and other such crap. :P Does anybody really even care!?!?!

I can't say I sympathize hugely with somebody who has attempted to push boundaries by spamming to prove his point on so many occasions but I will concur that mods will sometimes bend the rules a little if it allows them to deal with an individual easily. They shouldn't really be giving a warning for a rule that wasn't even established yet -- especially if it's not being given retroactively to all other users that have committed the same rulebreak in the past.

It's a pointless image thread, the content of his posts were not where the problem was. Instead of introducing this silly little rule to combat one person can I suggest we just introduce different rule that somehow encompasses this and all other types of trolling and still allow forum images to be posted because that is such a crap way of dealing with things and still allows him to post images he finds elsewhere so nothing will have changed...

[Charz777]

I think the -rep was a bit immature and unnecessary. Especially claiming that I haven't read half of the thread, when clearly my posts have all be relevant.

I've commented on what images are deemed pointless, childish behaviour contained in this and other similar threads, the reaction of moderators to THIS issue. How are these points not relevant?

Clearly an individual can't have an opinion on this forum without -rep from someone disagreeing. Seriously grow up.

[Kardan]

Pretty much sums up the collective opinion on this and all other threads kardan has posted in regards to 'abusing' postcount and other such crap. :P Does anybody really even care!?!?!

I can't say I sympathize hugely with somebody who has attempted to push boundaries by spamming to prove his point on so many occasions but I will concur that mods will sometimes bend the rules a little if it allows them to deal with an individual easily. They shouldn't really be giving a warning for a rule that wasn't even established yet -- especially if it's not being given retroactively to all other users that have committed the same rulebreak in the past.

It's a pointless image thread, the content of his posts were not where the problem was. Instead of introducing this silly little rule to combat one person can I suggest we just introduce different rule that somehow encompasses this and all other types of trolling and still allow forum images to be posted because that is such a crap way of dealing with things and still allows him to post images he finds elsewhere so nothing will have changed...

Well, apparently people do care about which random images I happen to post on the thread :P But you actually speak sense.

Can I make clear:


I don't have a problem with assorted/misc removal anymore, as it's been made clear that the decision is final.
I haven't thrown a tantrum. I haven't gone and swore at anyone, nor have I made any angry posts. I've simply stated my views in a clear manner, and this is the feedback forum after all.
It seems a bit silly that management value images differently to others. But fair enough, if that's a rule, so be it. I've followed this new rule in all new posts.
I mainly have only one issue now. First of all, why the rule basically only applies to me. Other people have broken the rule, which is fine apparently because they only did it once, which we know isn't how rules work. Once I'm given a reason why this is done, then it's all good. This thread can close since I don't have any more issues, and I'll keep posting in that thread abiding by the rules set (as I was doing before, may I add...)

[Jordan]

Well, apparently people do care about which random images I happen to post on the thread :P But you actually speak sense.

Can I make clear:


I don't have a problem with assorted/misc removal anymore, as it's been made clear that the decision is final.
I haven't thrown a tantrum. I haven't gone and swore at anyone, nor have I made any angry posts. I've simply stated my views in a clear manner, and this is the feedback forum after all.
It seems a bit silly that management value images differently to others. But fair enough, if that's a rule, so be it. I've followed this new rule in all new posts.
I mainly have only one issue now. First of all, why the rule basically only applies to me. Other people have broken the rule, which is fine apparently because they only did it once, which we know isn't how rules work. Once I'm given a reason why this is done, then it's all good. This thread can close since I don't have any more issues, and I'll keep posting in that thread abiding by the rules set (as I was doing before, may I add...)



I havent told you off for the new rule that I added tonight Kardan. I don't get where you're getting this from. In the PM i said I removed the posts that you made of the avatars/signatures and reputation blocks because they were clearly posted to prove a point and get a reaction out of people (which it did) and then just informed you that a new rule was being added. I never punished you for the images being made so you're not the one being picked on.

Any PM I made about the post any images thread to people tonight only had a usernote made if they broke a rule that was already stated in the first post of the thread. If not I never recorded it.

[FlyingJesus]

OH MY ACTUAL FATHER WILL SOMEONE JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION

[Kardan]

I havent told you off for the new rule that I added tonight Kardan. I don't get where you're getting this from. In the PM i said I removed the posts that you made of the avatars/signatures and reputation blocks because they were clearly posted to prove a point and get a reaction out of people (which it did) and then just informed you that a new rule was being added. I never punished you for the images being made so you're not the one being picked on.

Any PM I made about the post any images thread to people tonight only had a usernote made if they broke a rule that was already stated in the first post of the thread. If not I never recorded it.

When I say punished, I mean post removal.

You removed my posts because they broke the new rule. I still see posts that break the new rule, but that's okay, "they only did it once".

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OH MY ACTUAL FATHER WILL SOMEONE JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION

:P...

[Jordan]

When I say punished, I mean post removal.

You removed my posts because they broke the new rule. I still see posts that break the new rule, but that's okay, "they only did it once".

---------- Post added 07-01-2013 at 12:56 AM ----------



:P...

You've made all this fuss because I've missed out 2 posts that were made based images of signatures / avatars. Im sorry I will remove these now and take no action like I did with yours and we can move on.

[Kardan]

You've made all this fuss because I've missed out 2 posts that were made based images of signatures / avatars. Im sorry I will remove these now and take no action like I did with yours and we can move on.

And there we go. I'm all sorted ;) I'll continue posting images at a decent 15-minute interval (even though many users are posting more frequently than that) so I don't get accused of spamming :)

[Jordan]

And there we go. I'm all sorted ;) I'll continue posting images at a decent 15-minute interval (even though many users are posting more frequently than that) so I don't get accused of spamming :)

I'm glad it's over now.

Happy posting.

[GommeInc]

OH MY ACTUAL FATHER WILL SOMEONE JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION
I think it's got something to do with intent, although the very first image posted in that thread has got to be most random of them all - a cornish pasty :P Other than that, it's shrugs all round.

[FlyingJesus]

Does the moderation team have me on ignore or something

[Kardan]

Does the moderation team have me on ignore or something

I'm sure if you post images of rep bars they might notice you.