Habbox charity counter [Archive]

Martin

14-01-2013, 02:51 PM

I think these things happen and technology can't always be reliable haha. It is a shame, because a lot of people were really excited trying to get it over 500 etc, but like I said its just one of those things and its nobodys fault really. Jin wouldn't steal or lie in any way, so I don't see the need for proof personally :P

wixard

14-01-2013, 02:52 PM

i heard he recently purchased two one way tickets to santa ponsa
explain that jinny

Samantha

14-01-2013, 02:52 PM

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If someone gave you VIP/bought it for you would your name be on here as technically it's still donating to the cause isn't it?

scottish

14-01-2013, 02:55 PM

If someone gave you VIP/bought it for you would your name be on here as technically it's still donating to the cause isn't it?

only the person sending the money should be, as they're the one doing it? :P

sex

14-01-2013, 02:55 PM

If someone gave you VIP/bought it for you would your name be on here as technically it's still donating to the cause isn't it?

no they are the people who actually purchased it :P if someone gave you vip, that doesn't mean you donated to charity haha

HABBOX IS A MONEY LAUNDERING COVERUP

xxMATTGxx

14-01-2013, 02:56 PM

If someone gave you VIP/bought it for you would your name be on here as technically it's still donating to the cause isn't it?

I have just listed the people who came up on the transaction pages as they are the ones who bought it technically. Although, I can easily add the people who was given the VIP if that's what people want.

buttons

14-01-2013, 02:56 PM

If someone gave you VIP/bought it for you would your name be on here as technically it's still donating to the cause isn't it?
OH SAM U DIDNT DONATE TO CHARITY? IM DISAPPOINTED IN YOU
unless u mean you gave someone credits or another type of payment so they could pay for the vip then transfer over to you then yes you should be on it
but if someone bought it with their own money then gave it to others (like many of us did) then no, shouldn't be on it

David

14-01-2013, 02:57 PM

are we banning the 24 people who bought red and green names

mrwoooooooo

14-01-2013, 02:58 PM

If more people are interested in this then yeah sure no problem, but I frankly won't bother to solely entertain you Adam.

Bit defensive like, just wondering how it was 'broken', when it was being updated in real time. Unless it added transactions twice when lots of people bought it when it first came out

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

Samantha

14-01-2013, 03:00 PM

OH SAM U DIDNT DONATE TO CHARITY? IM DISAPPOINTED IN YOU
unless u mean you gave someone credits or another type of payment so they could pay for the vip then transfer over to you then yes you should be on it
but if someone bought it with their own money then gave it to others (like many of us did) then no, shouldn't be on it

Unfortunately I could only buy via SMS if that was applicable, I did offer credits on numerous occasions yet someone just gave me a month in the end. Thanks for clearing that up though, sex; however, if they purchased via credits they technically did purchase it didn't they? So would you say they shouldn't be on it either :P? Just wondering, I really need to get Paypal or something.

Kardan

14-01-2013, 03:02 PM

I trust that Habbox wouldn't take money (and if they did, why would they announce such a thing?), but it would be interesting to hear how such a problem developed.

Jin

14-01-2013, 03:06 PM

i heard he recently purchased two one way tickets to santa ponsa
explain that jinny

I thought this was something christmas related before working out that it is probably some Mediterranean town.

Anyway, I designed the original thermometer counter thing, it was 99% accurate this is because I factored in SMS transactions and the actual money we receive minus the fees and the same for paypal.

I am not sure if it was redesigned but if it was the likely chances is that it is using whole values and not calculating the actual outpayment from these transactions. Though even still it doesn't account for a large sum of money even if we account for the fees.

The likely chances is that it is actually calculating by number_of_months * £1.50 but some people earn discounts for purchasing blocks of 3 6 and 12 months which would obviously skew the figures.

Edit:

Bit defensive like, just wondering how it was 'broken', when it was being updated in real time. Unless it added transactions twice when lots of people bought it when it first came out

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

Not defensive at all. Just me saying that I cba if you are the only skeptic, I am trying to use this swindled charity money to upgrade the server atm...

Catchy

14-01-2013, 03:08 PM

SOMEONE IS GOING TO PRISON FOR EMBEZZLEMENT TBH

scottish

14-01-2013, 03:12 PM

If they wanted to nick money from the charity surely they'd post saying grats on raising £600 odd, say they donated it and we'd never know?

:P

Jin

14-01-2013, 03:13 PM

SOMEONE IS GOING TO PRISON FOR EMBEZZLEMENT TBH
It's cool me and my homeboy Bernie Madoff can kick it back in our prison digs reminiscing about the good times.

If they wanted to nick money from the charity surely they'd post saying grats on raising £600 odd, say they donated it and we'd never know?

:P

Now would probably be a good time to mention that the charity wont receive the payment until March and secondly they receive it as monthly instalments, there is a good reason for why we do this as it actually equates to an extra 25% of the original donation amount.

Kardan

14-01-2013, 03:19 PM

So whoever redesigned the counter did a big whoopsie and made charity lose about £150 that wasn't really there... At least it is easily fixed for next year, go back to the original counter :P

RyRy

14-01-2013, 04:27 PM

Even I don't think that Habbox would be low enough to steal money from a charity.

I'd like to know how the problem wasn't noticed sooner though, considering it was near enough the whole of December that it went unnoticed.

Jin

14-01-2013, 04:33 PM

Even I don't think that Habbox would be low enough to steal money from a charity.
Errr thanks.....I guess. :eh:

I'd like to know how the problem wasn't noticed sooner though, considering it was near enough the whole of December that it went unnoticed.
Because we don't actively compare between paypal and the counter and partly because the counter has always been accurate until now.

Looking at the new counter code I can't see how the figure has become so badly skewed but I will be taking a look at it myself personally.

RyRy

14-01-2013, 04:43 PM

Errr thanks.....I guess. :eh:

Because we don't actively compare between paypal and the counter and partly because the counter has always been accurate until now.

Looking at the new counter code I can't see how the figure has become so badly skewed but I will be taking a look at it myself personally.

I only said it in that way because I've had my falling outs with Habbox Management in the past but my opinion could never be that low of them! I meant that I trust Habbox Management to do the right thing okay :(

Ah okay then, I didn't know how it actually worked but if it gets fixed by next Christmas then no harm done :P

FlyingJesus

14-01-2013, 04:58 PM

cries I thought we'd done so well :(

GommeInc

14-01-2013, 05:13 PM

If someone gave you VIP/bought it for you would your name be on here as technically it's still donating to the cause isn't it?
Is that the list of people who bought it? Because if so my name appears to be missing :S

Jin

14-01-2013, 05:28 PM

Is that the list of people who bought it? Because if so my name appears to be missing :S
If that is the case Gomme I will ensure that a new list is published as I am going through the transactions at the moment.

cries I thought we'd done so well :(

I think the only honorable thing to do would be for us to do would be to make the final total £600 (£634 - £35.74 (fees) rounded up to £600).

GommeInc

14-01-2013, 05:34 PM

If that is the case Gomme I will ensure that a new list is published as I am going through the transactions at the moment.
It's not a huge problem. There doesn't appear to be any other people noticing they're missing.

Mr-Trainor

14-01-2013, 05:42 PM

At least the problem has been found and can be fixed before the next time it's used. Anyway, just saw the announcement and I think it's very nice to see that you'll still be donating the amount shown by the counter :).

RyRy

14-01-2013, 05:43 PM

AW JIN IS A LEGEND

Jin

14-01-2013, 05:43 PM

It's not a huge problem. There doesn't appear to be any other people noticing they're missing.

No, but you have just as much right as anyone else to be listed there:

List Updated: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=768747

Inseriousity.

14-01-2013, 05:45 PM

AW JIN IS A LEGEND

youre still staying on the dnhl.

i hope anyway (yn)(yn)(yn)(yn)

RyRy

14-01-2013, 05:53 PM

youre still staying on the dnhl.

i hope anyway (yn)(yn)(yn)(yn)

You know I was proper waiting for somebody to say that.

Martin

14-01-2013, 06:01 PM

Aww thats so lovely of you Jin! :D

mrwoooooooo

14-01-2013, 06:15 PM

Wasn't expecting that to be honest, but good on you for doing it.

Time to buy some donator ;)

Chris

14-01-2013, 06:19 PM

Good on you for doing that Jin.

wixard

14-01-2013, 06:25 PM

what did he even do

he did what anybody would do! stop CODDLING HIM

Grig

14-01-2013, 06:28 PM

That's his allowance for the next decade gone, back to living like a rogue, servicing old men.

Yeh, I don't think it was a big deal nor any conspiracy (some people here think they're Sherlock Holmes). But it was a good thing to do in the end.

FlyingJesus

14-01-2013, 06:56 PM

what did he even do

he did what anybody would do! stop CODDLING HIM

idk, I definitely wouldn't have opened my pockets to the tune of £150 just because someone didn't set a counter up properly lol

GoldenMerc

14-01-2013, 06:57 PM

I'd like to say Jin / Sierk that was a really honorable thing to do!

Chippiewill

14-01-2013, 08:25 PM

I thought this was something christmas related before working out that it is probably some Mediterranean town.

Anyway, I designed the original thermometer counter thing, it was 99% accurate this is because I factored in SMS transactions and the actual money we receive minus the fees and the same for paypal.

I am not sure if it was redesigned but if it was the likely chances is that it is using whole values and not calculating the actual outpayment from these transactions. Though even still it doesn't account for a large sum of money even if we account for the fees.

The likely chances is that it is actually calculating by number_of_months * £1.50 but some people earn discounts for purchasing blocks of 3 6 and 12 months which would obviously skew the figures.

Edit:

Not defensive at all. Just me saying that I cba if you are the only skeptic, I am trying to use this swindled charity money to upgrade the server atm...
The current system counts how much money gets calculated for paypal to charge so it really couldn't be skewed by that. One thing it does do however is use static exchange rates for currencies, if there was a lot of purchasing in foreign currencies then that may be an issue. But when I was editing it before I didn't really see the point as they don't fluctuate *that* much.

If I were you I would check the transactions on the DB against the paypal transactions to see if IPN broke at some point.

Recursion

14-01-2013, 08:53 PM

So who exactly can we blame for this? :P

GoldenMerc

14-01-2013, 08:57 PM

So who exactly can we blame for this? :P

99% I remember Dave re-coding that... but I may be wrong

Calvin

14-01-2013, 09:07 PM

99% I remember Dave re-coding that... but I may be wrong

So who exactly can we blame for this? :P

I always thought Jamesy created it. :P

Chippiewill

14-01-2013, 09:08 PM

Jamesy made it and the code behind it seems fine to me.

GoldenMerc

14-01-2013, 09:09 PM

Thought Jamesy was just behind skins? not actual products / plugins

xxMATTGxx

14-01-2013, 09:11 PM

Thought Jamesy was just behind skins? not actual products / plugins

He did all sorts back then.

Martin

14-01-2013, 09:11 PM

I think I vaguely remember Jamesy making it too, was his Assistant Forum Manager when he was putting the plans into place and stuff, and I know he talked about it a lot. Anyhow if the coding looks fine then its probably just something to do with the sms thing/monthly deals thing like Jin said xD and its all sorted now so as long as its sorted for next year all is good in the hood xD

xxMATTGxx

14-01-2013, 09:17 PM

Just did a look and Jamesy was the one who created it first by the looks of it. Then we lost it for 2011, found the files and put it back and David could have changed some code then. No idea where the errors started coming in though - It was fine for the previous two years I believe?

Chippiewill

14-01-2013, 09:17 PM

The coding is fine, the numbers in the database seem problematic for some reason.

Jin

14-01-2013, 09:20 PM

Jamesy made it and the code behind it seems fine to me.
A gfx artist designed it, however I made the actual ticker, as well as the sms system and some other admin tools.

Alkaz

14-01-2013, 09:41 PM

Didn't Myke design the counter?

Jin

14-01-2013, 09:55 PM

Didn't Myke design the counter?
Actually you are probably right on that. I remember asking him to do it via MSN and not on the forum like usual as I honestly thought he was the only person that was capable of it at the time. I think the only thing I asked Jamesy to do was to actually add it to the sidebar for the forum because he didn't normally edit the style of the sidebars when creating a new theme so I didn't want to add it myself incase my styling choices didn't fit in with his vision.

MissAlice

15-01-2013, 12:13 AM

When I made my donation it was approaching the £300 mark, and I did check to see how quickly my donation appeared, and it was less than a minute, and seemed to be accurate. Chippiewell raises a good point. Perhaps the different currencies/exchange rate calculations are in some way responsible for the difference.

I think it’s very admirable for Habbox to come up with the shortfall.

Mikey

15-01-2013, 01:32 AM

Well done to Habbox for putting money towards to the total to round it up to £600. Also thanks to everyone who donated, very good cause and will hopefully help alot of people. :)

Chippiewill

15-01-2013, 11:01 PM

When I made my donation it was approaching the £300 mark, and I did check to see how quickly my donation appeared, and it was less than a minute, and seemed to be accurate. Chippiewell raises a good point. Perhaps the different currencies/exchange rate calculations are in some way responsible for the difference.

Unfortunately I was false, the amount recorded on the database for GBP alone (aka zero currency conversion errors) was more than Jin stated was raised overall.

mrwoooooooo

15-01-2013, 11:07 PM

Unfortunately I was false, the amount recorded on the database for GBP alone (aka zero currency conversion errors) was more than Jin stated was raised overall.

so what actually happened?

Chippiewill

15-01-2013, 11:12 PM

so what actually happened?
No idea, it's why I think Jin should compare paypal transactions with DB transactions.

sex

16-01-2013, 02:49 AM

would moving the donation around to different people cause it to rise, thinking that they bought the vip subscription when they didnt?!?!

IDK IM NOT TECH

Rachel

16-01-2013, 05:23 AM

I trust Jin also. Like it was mentioned technology can always break you know.

Chippiewill

16-01-2013, 09:10 AM

would moving the donation around to different people cause it to rise, thinking that they bought the vip subscription when they didnt?!?!

IDK IM NOT TECH

It's the transactions table it checks rather than the subscriptions table.

Jin

16-01-2013, 11:53 AM

Yeah I came up with the conclusion with it being the transaction table on the day we said we would donate £600.

The actual figure raised was £530 based off the paypal transactions. The counter reports incorrect values straight from the database. It would seem that a particular condition or possibly a change in vBulletin table design is what is responsible for the error. I will be taking a look at it later.

Chippiewill

16-01-2013, 12:33 PM

The actual figure raised was £530 based off the paypal transactions.
£530 is almost exactly the total in transactions for GBP alone, seems fairly coincidental? I don't mean to call you an idiot but are you sure you're not just seeing the total of GBP on paypal?

The counter reports incorrect values straight from the database. It would seem that a particular condition or possibly a change in vBulletin table design is what is responsible for the error. I will be taking a look at it later.
You may want to look at the 'reversed' column which I'd assume would flag up refunded purchases, the script doesn't check the state of that column. I'd investigate myself but I think matt was getting tired of running sql queries for me.