Habbox Merit

[Alkaz]

Is it possible to have a list of users in /showgroups.php or at least an up to date list in the forum?

TY x

[Nick]

i thought that it was gunna be on v7 (or is on v6 idk) ? it could go under congrats and thank you as habbox merit is a for ex staff members who done a fantastic job in their role for over a year or so?

[Richie]

i thought that it was gunna be on v7 (or is on v6 idk) ? it could go under congrats and thank you as habbox merit is a for ex staff members who done a fantastic job in their role for over a year or so?

http://i1.memy.pl/obrazki/9b9a134844_nice_joke_.jpg

[Samantha]

Http://habboxwiki.com/Habbox_Merit

[Kardan]

Http://habboxwiki.com/Habbox_Merit

I know some like FlyingJesus; needs to be added.

Lovely words: 'Them 33 users are...'

[Samantha]

Lovely words: 'Them 33 users are...'

You can always edit it to be correct, I probably attempted two sentences in one.

[lawrawrrr]

it's on the wiki and on v7 (i believe v6 was meant to be updated?) but its all a bit of a joke lmao

[Kardan]

You can always edit it to be correct, I probably attempted two sentences in one.

If I go anywhere near the wiki, I'll end up spending hours correcting it... I don't have that much time right now :P

[Alkaz]

Oh right, I didn't know that. I didn't know that FJ was in Habbox Merit but seeing him post in the forum the other day made me think there wasn't an up to date list.

[Kardan]

Does the criteria not need updating as well? Because I'm sure there's people that have the merit that don't fit within that criteria - either that, or my memory of people's staff positions are just patchy.

[GoldenMerc]

Oh right, I didn't know that. I didn't know that FJ was in Habbox Merit but seeing him post in the forum the other day made me think there wasn't an up to date list.

Hes only just been added a couple of months ago i think

[xxMATTGxx]

Does the criteria not need updating as well? Because I'm sure there's people that have the merit that don't fit within that criteria - either that, or my memory of people's staff positions are just patchy.

Names? :P

[Samantha]

Names? :P

I was confused about Melsia as I'm unsure what she did as outstanding as i believe she was only manager for ten months.

[Kardan]

Names? :P
FlyingJesus; - He deserves it, but he wasn't ever in a management position was he? -:Undertaker:-; - Was he not fired from his management role? Melsia; - Don't know how she is/was - but it says on her page that she was only there for 10 months

Not trying to take it away from them, just that the page might need rewriting if need be :P

Oh, and yourself xxMATTGxx; - what role have you resigned from that was more than a year?

[Samantha]

FlyingJesus; - He deserves it, but he wasn't ever in a management position was he? -:Undertaker:-; - Was he not fired from his management role? Melsia; - Don't know how she is/was - but it says on her page that she was only there for 10 months

Not trying to take it away from them, just that the page might need rewriting if need be :P

He wasn't fired the second time I believe.

[Kardan]

He wasn't fired the second time I believe.

Wait, he got rehired after the whole scandal there was? Nicely done Undertaker :P

[xxMATTGxx]

FlyingJesus; - He deserves it, but he wasn't ever in a management position was he? -:Undertaker:-; - Was he not fired from his management role? Melsia; - Don't know how she is/was - but it says on her page that she was only there for 10 months

Not trying to take it away from them, just that the page might need rewriting if need be :P

Oh, and yourself xxMATTGxx; - what role have you resigned from that was more than a year?

FJ wasn't management no but he's in the group for the other reasons. Undertaker is in it for his work for the Rare Values Department. Melsia, I would assume HxL but the length of her being in the role doesn't match up to the requirements for some strange reason. I might have to check my PM's to see if she was added during the time of be being in the GM team.

In regards of me - It would be for my General Management role, could also include Forum Management but that was short of 12 months.

[Kardan]

FJ wasn't management no but he's in the group for the other reasons. Undertaker is in it for his work for the Rare Values Department. Melsia, I would assume HxL but the length of her being in the role doesn't match up to the requirements for some strange reason. I might have to check my PM's to see if she was added during the time of be being in the GM team.

In regards of me - It would be for my General Management role, could also include Forum Management but that was short of 12 months.

Just needs slightly rewriting then, that's all :)

[buttons]

what other reasons is fj on there for then Matt? lol cause i don't remember him ever being management or even staff for a long time...

also idk what brandon has done and for how long but i definitely think he should be?
oh and catzsy. idk what the rules are but doesn't seem they're being kept to

[xxMATTGxx]

what other reasons is fj on there for then Matt? lol cause i don't remember him ever being management or even staff for a long time...

also idk what brandon has done and for how long but i definitely think he should be?

I'll have to find my PM in regards of FJ or he can tell him yourself I suppose FlyingJesus;. Good shout in regards of Brandon but I put him in it when he resigned. So the pages just need to be updated which will happen in the next few minutes.

[Samantha]

FJ wasn't management no but he's in the group for the other reasons. Undertaker is in it for his work for the Rare Values Department. Melsia, I would assume HxL but the length of her being in the role doesn't match up to the requirements for some strange reason. I might have to check my PM's to see if she was added during the time of be being in the GM team.

In regards of me - It would be for my General Management role, could also include Forum Management but that was short of 12 months.

Yours was probably when you resigned and then became a Features Manager as I know you need to resin before getting it.

[xxMATTGxx]

Yours was probably when you resigned and then became a Features Manager as I know you need to resin before getting it.

Most likely yeah but you also normally get added for administrative purposes as well.

[GoldenMerc]

Danubes there? - Not going to say my reasonings but surely he should be banned ?
n wasnt FJ articles manager or something for a while?

[xxMATTGxx]

Danubes there? - Not going to say my reasonings but surely he should be banned ?
n wasnt FJ articles manager or something for a while?

Are you really wanting to bring up Danube and your furni loss once again?

[David]

Danubes there? - Not going to say my reasonings but surely he should be banned ?
n wasnt FJ articles manager or something for a while?

danube was gr8 ;l fire myke and bring back him

[GoldenMerc]

Are you really wanting to bring up Danube and your furni loss once again?

I don't see why not?

[xxMATTGxx]

I don't see why not?

Habbox isn't going to start dealing with issues that occurred 1 year, 2 months and 9 days ago. That's why.

[GoldenMerc]

Habbox isn't going to start dealing with issues that occurred 1 year, 2 months and 9 days ago. That's why.

Well you don't deal with issues that happened 2 weeks ago, So doesnt make much of a difference

[David]

also is designing the original v7 enough for merit :rolleyes:

[xxMATTGxx]

Well you don't deal with issues that happened 2 weeks ago, So doesnt make much of a difference

We do deal with issues that occurred two weeks ago if we have the evidence to take action upon it. If they haven't been dealt with then you know what you can do.

[GoldenMerc]

also is designing the original v7 enough for merit :rolleyes:

your design never got used :rolleyes:

[David]

your design never got used :rolleyes:

because of kieran and zuth ;l

[Kardan]

This needs re-writing badly, from the FAQ:




Habbox Forum has one joinable usergroup for it's Ex-Staff Members.

This group is exclusively available to (ex-)staff members who meet one of the following criteria:

Have worked for Habbox in a managerial role for 1 year (with no breaks) OR have contributed something outstanding to Habbox.
have resigned from your role (not been fired).
Request must be on the same account used when a manager.
Must have recieved 0 infractions within 3 weeks of your resignation.
Must not have an active infraction at time of request.
Maintain appropriate behaviour around HabboxForum whilst a member of the group.

To join this group go to User Control Panel, then Permission Groups and request membership.

Your request must first be approved by one of the group leaders, either xxMATTGxx or SyrupyMonkey. Joining this group gives you an exclusive "Habbox Merit" userbar and access to an Ex-Staff sub-forum.

Not only do the criteria need updating, but so does the actual wording, says 'meets one of the following criteria:'

I resigned as a Forum MOD many many years ago, so can I join?

[lawrawrrr]

how on earth is is logical that time=effort

this is why the whole list is a joke, someone can do more work in a month that some​ managers do in a year

[GoldenMerc]

what happened to my username why am i pink

[David]

what happened to my username why am i pink

what

http://icap.me/i/W96Tfhyrub.png

[Kardan]

what happened to my username why am i pink

You're arctic blue for me.

[xxMATTGxx]

This needs re-writing badly, from the FAQ:



Not only do the criteria need updating, but so does the actual wording, says 'meets one of the following criteria:'

I resigned as a Forum MOD many many years ago, so can I join?

Technically no. I'll get Chris; to update the FAQ.


how on earth is is logical that time=effort

this is why the whole list is a joke, someone can do more work in a month that some​ managers do in a year

Problem is not everyone will remember what X,Y,Z that specific person has done. Especially when management changes occur and people who accept or deny these people change and then they don't have a good idea on why so so have been added. I'll bring it up with the others though before making changes.



what happened to my username why am i pink

Nope? :P

[David]

didnt answer me mett :(

[GoldenMerc]

ok guys im safe, it went pink for a second :(
Anyway why not totally re-write the list. and add people who have done work, that is still possibly used today, Just because they've been a agm doesnt mean they've done a lot of work. Personally I'd say Mathew done more work than a few AGMs and i'd reconise him as someone whos done a lot of work as a manager, Same as Samantha, even tho she looks a good bottle here and there

[Chris]

I'll have a look at the faq in a minute. Ross your name was pink because I added your pink vip.

[Inseriousity.]

Think names missing from list can be explained away as the fact you've actually got to request to join it and as some people who resign leave Habbox completely that would explain their absense.

[lawrawrrr]

Problem is not everyone will remember what X,Y,Z that specific person has done. Especially when management changes occur and people who accept or deny these people change and then they don't have a good idea on why so so have been added. I'll bring it up with the others though before making changes.


If you can prove that the person has done something worthwhile, even if it's from your personal opinion then that's fine, if the only reason they're on the list is that 'theyve been a manager for a year' then i really don't think that's the best thing. What about something like the Events department - Phil and Mathew were the managers for years after years, and if a senior had also been there for a year and a half would they not get credit just because the managers have resigned? It should NOT be limited just to managers.

[xxMATTGxx]

didnt answer me mett :(

I don't think it counts. Sorry Dave :(


ok guys im safe, it went pink for a second :(
Anyway why not totally re-write the list. and add people who have done work, that is still possibly used today, Just because they've been a agm doesnt mean they've done a lot of work. Personally I'd say Mathew done more work than a few AGMs and i'd reconise him as someone whos done a lot of work as a manager, Same as Samantha, even tho she looks a good bottle here and there

Problem is, people will agree and then others will disagree so you have to come into the middle and say yes or no to those types of people. For example, I could say such such did amazing work for Habbox but then you may have a different view altogether.

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If you can prove that the person has done something worthwhile, even if it's from your personal opinion then that's fine, if the only reason they're on the list is that 'theyve been a manager for a year' then i really don't think that's the best thing. What about something like the Events department - Phil and Mathew were the managers for years after years, and if a senior had also been there for a year and a half would they not get credit just because the managers have resigned? It should NOT be limited just to managers.

I agree it shouldn't be limited to just Managers and technically it isn't. It's just a group people and management just forget about. I think the whole system needs to be re-looked at and maybe even changing the way to get yourself on there. I'll bring it up with GM and maybe even Jin. As I'm aware the last changes involved the owners of the site due to some drama 12-18 months ago.

[GoldenMerc]

Personally think BadTrip should be on it, she will be known for years to come for the entertainment she has brought to habbox, No one has done anything like it, or achieved something like that

[David]

I don't think it counts.

+o( what about this for my wonderful graphic contribution http://www.habboxforum.com/awards.php?do=viewaward&award_id=63

[lawrawrrr]

II agree it shouldn't be limited to just Managers and technically it isn't. It's just a group people and management just forget about. I think the whole system needs to be re-looked at and maybe even changing the way to get yourself on there. I'll bring it up with GM and maybe even Jin. As I'm aware the last changes involved the owners of the site due to some drama 12-18 months ago.

Maybe it technically isn't but it kind of is. It's too hard for a content designed to update it (like Sam was told to do), it's something the GM team and other managers need to discuss in depth. There are lots of different criteria (I've already told you a couple before) which could also be added, and I agree it's something the owners and GMs need to be talking about.

[Kardan]

The user group name also needs changing then, because it's labelled as 'Ex-Staff Member' but links you to the post for 'Habbox Merit'

[xxMATTGxx]

+o( what about this for my wonderful graphic contribution http://www.habboxforum.com/awards.php?do=viewaward&award_id=63

Will bring that up.


Personally think BadTrip should be on it, she will be known for years to come for the entertainment she has brought to habbox, No one has done anything like it, or achieved something like that

I can think of a few people who can be added just for that reason then!


The user group name also needs changing then, because it's labelled as 'Ex-Staff Member' but links you to the post for 'Habbox Merit'

Will be one of the changes for sure.

[David]

Will bring that up.

You're a good man


I agree it shouldn't be limited to just Managers and technically it isn't. It's just a group people and management just forget about. I think the whole system needs to be re-looked at and maybe even changing the way to get yourself on there. I'll bring it up with GM and maybe even Jin. As I'm aware the last changes involved the owners of the site due to some drama 12-18 months ago.

"Designed the original v7" :(

[xxMATTGxx]

Also,

I have decided we shall review everyone who is currently in the group as part of one of the changes to Habbox Merit.

[scottish]

Also,

I have decided we shall review everyone who is currently in the group as part of one of the changes to Habbox Merit.

Only seems to be one member who's an issue and doesn't follow the criteria of being management for a year+ tbh.

Just ensure everyone whos on the list has been there for 1yr+ no breaks in their management position and it'll be easily fixed.

[David]

Only seems to be one member who's an issue and doesn't follow the criteria of being management for a year+ tbh.

Just ensure everyone whos on the list has been there for 1yr+ no breaks in their management position and it'll be easily fixed.

thats the argument laura brought up though, it shouldnt be just for managers and thats whats being changed

[Inseriousity.]

The criteria is fine as it is. Simple, objective criteria with enough wiggle room for a subjective look at individual cases. Obviously it can't cover everyone and yes some people in the group would've contributed more than others but you're never going to get around that. The moment you start saying 'they don't deserve it' even though they fit the criteria is the moment you start overcomplicating something that doesn't need to be.

[scottish]

the person that seems to have been brought up hasn't met the criteria or anywhere near it though? :P

So what's the justification for single cases that don't meet the criteria? what's the reason for them being on it?

[lawrawrrr]

I just don't think 'being manager for a year' is good enough to merit 'habbox merit' (no pun intended). It should be done on contributions and have nothing to do with your position.

[Samantha]

It should be based on their whole time throughout Habbox, people such as Samantha. she did 104 events in a month, such consistency ran for months on end not to mention her DJ work, anyway that was just an example btw, first person deserving in my head.

[Kardan]

It should be based on their whole time throughout Habbox, people such as Samantha. she did 104 events in a month, such consistency ran for months on end not to mention her DJ work, anyway that was just an example btw, first person deserving in my head.

As people have said, it's all opinion based which makes it an issue. I don't see hosting 104 events in a month as anything special. That's just over 3 events a day, I know plenty of people that used to play Habbo for 3+ hours a day every day.

Of course, you then want criteria which means you don't rely on opinions - but then that means you introduce the problem of people getting credited for just being there for a long time.

There's no easy solution. Not that it really matters that much, the majority of people awarded with the merit don't even use the forum anymore, and it doesn't provide any benefits other than a userbar and access to a forum of people with the same userbar (which these days, would only be the few members?).

[Inseriousity.]

True which then means you have to consider whether you'd rather have:

a) headache at all the arguments over who's worthy.
b) very few minority of people getting recognition for 'coasting along'

I choose b.

[Kardan]

True which then means you have to consider whether you'd rather have:

a) headache at all the arguments over who's worthy.
b) very few minority of people getting recognition for 'coasting along'

I choose b.

Whilst b is better than a, I'm sure with a few people thinking about it there is a better option.

[Mr-Trainor]

how on earth is is logical that time=effort

this is why the whole list is a joke, someone can do more work in a month that some​ managers do in a year
I guess that's true, but then being in a management position for a year is still a long time, and shows a lot of dedication. As for people putting in a lot of effort but not being in a position for a year; they can still be added if they made an outstanding contribution to Habbox :P.

[lawrawrrr]

I guess that's true, but then being in a management position for a year is still a long time, and shows a lot of dedication. As for people putting in a lot of effort but not being in a position for a year; they can still be added if they made an outstanding contribution to Habbox :P.

Why has time got anything to do with it? Some people even now hold positions where they do next to nothing and keep those positions for a long time for god-knows-what-reason but some people might be in a department for 6 or 7 months and do so much. Like if Foregetfuhl; was to quit tomorrow I'd give her the Merit award because IMO she has done more for that department than anyone else has in my time here.

[Mr-Trainor]

Why has time got anything to do with it? Some people even now hold positions where they do next to nothing and keep those positions for a long time for god-knows-what-reason but some people might be in a department for 6 or 7 months and do so much. Like if @Foregetfuhl (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=104248); was to quit tomorrow I'd give her the Merit award because IMO she has done more for that department than anyone else has in my time here.
Well in the departments I've worked in for long periods of time, I've never seen a manager doing nothing and be able to keep their position :P.

[Inseriousity.]

lolol jade quitting tomorrow, more chance of the apocolypse.

[FlyingJesus]

Since when have I never been a manager

[scottish]

Since when have I never been a manager

since when were you with 1 year+ no breaks?

[lawrawrrr]

Well in the departments I've worked in for long periods of time, I've never seen a manager doing nothing and be able to keep their position :P.

maybe not nothing, but the bare minimum. I've seen it. More than once.

[Kardan]

Since when have I never been a manager

Since me and xxMATTGxx; don't know our Habbox history :P

[Foregetfuhl]

lolol jade quitting tomorrow, more chance of the apocolypse.

Dyinggg! :/ True though.. i'll have to be forced out.. Love my Habbox I do <3

But in all honesty I completely understand where Laura is coming from because there are people that I think that aren't managers who probably would deserve it more than say some people on the list at the moment. IMO.

[Kardan]

Dyinggg! :/ True though.. i'll have to be forced out.. Love my Habbox I do <3

But in all honesty I completely understand where Laura is coming from because there are people that I think that aren't managers who probably would deserve it more than say some people on the list at the moment. IMO.

Which people would you say aren't deserving to be on the list?

[buttons]

since when were you with 1 year+ no breaks?
Not only that, you don't get merit just for being a manager lol :S or there would be a lot more on that list, has to be something that's contributed to habbox as a whole

[David]

maybe not nothing, but the bare minimum. I've seen it. More than once.

seen it too

[FlyingJesus]

Since I was unofficially running the AGM Staff role during most of Sam's reign while puppets took the title because Jin didn't like me enough to let me actually get the credit for it

Regardless of that if we're gonna talk about how management roles work/worked then I've actually been owed a manager or assistant manager role ever since the Community department merged with the Moderation team as per the terms of its dissolution that were agreed


But yeah nice to know that people don't think I've done anything for Hx

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Also I got the merit badge when it was actually awarded for merit, not for hanging on to a job for a while

[Samantha]

Since I was unofficially running the AGM Staff role during most of Sam's reign while puppets took the title because Jin didn't like me enough to let me actually get the credit for it

Regardless of that if we're gonna talk about how management roles work/worked then I've actually been owed a manager or assistant manager role ever since the Community department merged with the Moderation team as per the terms of its dissolution that were agreed


But yeah nice to know that people don't think I've done anything for Hx

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Also I got the merit badge when it was actually awarded for merit, not for hanging on to a job for a while

Didn't someone say earlier that you deserve it? :P I can't judge much as I wasn't staff or that active when Sam was reigning.

[Kardan]

Since I was unofficially running the AGM Staff role during most of Sam's reign while puppets took the title because Jin didn't like me enough to let me actually get the credit for it

Regardless of that if we're gonna talk about how management roles work/worked then I've actually been owed a manager or assistant manager role ever since the Community department merged with the Moderation team as per the terms of its dissolution that were agreed


But yeah nice to know that people don't think I've done anything for Hx

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Also I got the merit badge when it was actually awarded for merit, not for hanging on to a job for a while


Didn't someone say earlier that you deserve it? :P I can't judge much as I wasn't staff or that active when Sam was reigning.

I think you do deserve it (along with people such as GommeInc;), I was just saying that the wording needs to be rewritten as it makes it look like only people in a managerial role for longer than a year were awarded it :)

[GommeInc]

This just seems like one of those lists that is more trouble than it's worth...

[The Don]

This is what Garion had to say about FlyingJesus; having habbox merit.



FlyingJesus was given the merit badge not for being staff for six months but because of his contributions to Habbox - his position on the Habbox Council, within the community department and his long term commitment to providing feedback in order to improve Habbox. Furthermore, during Sammeth's reign as General Manager, FlyingJesus regularly contributed to policy making discussions on Habbox policy. His contributions go above and beyond the requirements for Habbox Merit.

Seems like a solid reason.

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Why has time got anything to do with it? Some people even now hold positions where they do next to nothing and keep those positions for a long time for god-knows-what-reason but some people might be in a department for 6 or 7 months and do so much. Like if Foregetfuhl; was to quit tomorrow I'd give her the Merit award because IMO she has done more for that department than anyone else has in my time here.

I'm sure you were arguing the complete opposite during the hall of fame discussion...

[FlyingJesus]

omf I'm like a hero or something

[lawrawrrr]

I'm sure you were arguing the complete opposite during the hall of fame discussion...

I'm pretty sure I wasn't, I've had this argument time and time again with xxMATTGxx; and always said the same thing. It's usually the case that people who have been here longer have given more to Habbox, but that's not the same as deserving a merit for doing outstanding​ work.

[-:Undertaker:-]

-:Undertaker:-; - Was he not fired from his management role?

Although fired, it was later said by nvrspk that the decision to fire me was wrong on the basis that the allegations that were placed at my door by then-management were false - that is after all why half the department at the time walked with me.

And thats why I was rehired by nvrspk two years later.

I'm immensely pleased that i've been granted a Habbox Merit for the work i've done on here over the years along with being a part of the Habbox community both on Habbo and on the forum for a long time, and sure it's only a Habbo Forum but it's still nice that a bit of appreciation and thanks is shown at the end of it. :) I don't toot my own horn but I can justify the years of work i've done if need be.


Wait, he got rehired after the whole scandal there was? Nicely done Undertaker :P

Indeed, because it was admitted at the time by the then-General Manager that I was being fired not because there was any evidence that I had fiddled the values, but because the decision (which they [management] approved, specifically he himself) to change the status of the ione Gifts via a public vote had unseen consquences which caused the entire scandal. Then in later years the then-RVM (who i'm friends with) knew I hadn't done anything wrong along with the General Manager nvrspk - hence why I was rehired.

I always said at the time it was ironic I was being accused of fixing values, when if I truly wanted to fix any value i'd of fixed the Black Smoke Machine which I had many of - not the Throne, Holopod and Russian Samovar of which I only had one Samovar and purposely kept it until it went down to 1.5 CS again to prove a point. :P

Add on - in reading the recent part of the thread, I would grant the award to longer term members such as GommeInc who have contributed a lot in terms of community rather than purely managerial roles. I was going to make a thread on that actually a while back but had second thoughts in that it'd turn into a "I deserve x when y doesn't". Of course it's hard to decide what requirements are needed in some cases, but I think the fact Ryan has been a continuous member of the Habbox community for such a long time and has put in so much input means he's deserving.

I daresay there are a few other members who may fit the bill as well.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Apologies for adding on, but just seen this..


The criteria is fine as it is. Simple, objective criteria with enough wiggle room for a subjective look at individual cases. Obviously it can't cover everyone and yes some people in the group would've contributed more than others but you're never going to get around that. The moment you start saying 'they don't deserve it' even though they fit the criteria is the moment you start overcomplicating something that doesn't need to be.

I agree, I think we broadly know members who have contributed a lot (not just one specific thing) over the years whether its in terms of work in a staff position, or simply community input. I also like the way in the merit seems to work at the moment, where it's broadly applied to older members (usually former staff) who meet the criteria - sort of like a semi-retirement home is one way to put it.

I mean take yourself, you are one of those members who i'd class as more or less meeting the criteria in that you've been around for a great number of years, you've contributed a lot not just in terms of being staff but also community. I don't want to go into individual cases and so on, but i'd say somebody such as yourself ought to be awarded the Merit when you step down - as a sort of thank you as it's been applied in past cases. Don't mistake me for knocking you/judging or anything either aha :P I think you certainly meet the requirements from my general impression of you over the years, and I think i'd be a fitting thank you from Habbox to award you it when you 'retire' so to speak.

Of course it's so fluid that as you say, it's a case by case basis - and I think it works broadly well in that it doesn't 'cheapen' the award.

[Inseriousity.]

I did actually have the Habbox Merit badge when I resigned as competitions manager (just over 2 years) but lost it when I accepted AGM so I'd imagine I'd get it again when I resigned. I'll assume then that you were unaware I fit the criteria and would accept me and others like me under the 'subjective case by case' thing (thank you btw) so I'll expand on that. I believe any attempts to make it too subjective means it will just become not about your achievements but about being good friends with general management. I could lie and say that general management would be able to remain impartial but we're human. Keeping it largely about objective facts removes that and the limited leeway on subjective cases means that each case needs to stand on its merit and not who they're friends with.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I did actually have the Habbox Merit badge when I resigned as competitions manager (just over 2 years) but lost it when I accepted AGM so I'd imagine I'd get it again when I resigned. I'll assume then that you were unaware I fit the criteria and would accept me and others like me under the 'subjective case by case' thing (thank you btw) so I'll expand on that.

Oh I didn't know you'd already been awarded it, but I mean as in a case such as yours (assuming you hadn't had it before) i'd leave until you resigned as a sort of thank you gift if you get me - I think that should be one of the standards applied. But as you'd already resigned, been awarded and then rejoined staff I don't see why you couldn't keep as a staff member.


I believe any attempts to make it too subjective means it will just become not about your achievements but about being good friends with general management. I could lie and say that general management would be able to remain impartial but we're human. Keeping it largely about objective facts removes that and the limited leeway on subjective cases means that each case needs to stand on its merit and not who they're friends with.

Oh agreed completely, but I also think the rules shouldn't be too "you need X, Y and Z" as then it simply sets up a system where you'll end up with all loopholes and certain people being excluded when they perhaps shouldn't be (ie, FlyingJesus).

I mean in my case i'm hardly friends with General Management and haven't been the loudest cheerleader over the years for decisions taken at that level, so I certainly agree broad rules like we have now are required. Which in the end if you look at it, it works perfectly fine as it is now with a balance between the two.

[Lee]

Jordan; has been a SMOD for over 1 year and refused managerial roles on countless occasions he's a good mod lets give him Merit.

[David]

@Jordan (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=57962); has been a SMOD for over 1 year and refused managerial roles on countless occasions he's a good mod lets give him Merit.

not sure if trolling

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[GoldenMerc]

Jordan; has been a SMOD for over 1 year and refused managerial roles on countless occasions he's a good mod lets give him Merit.

This happens to loads of people :P personally I think Mathew; should have been agm but he was refused :P

[xxMATTGxx]

This happens to loads of people :P personally I think Mathew; should have been agm but he was refused :P

Lee was talking about Jordan not wanting to have a management role. That's different from being refused by General Management and giving it to someone else altogether.

[Inseriousity.]

Giving it based on 'what ifs' and 'what could've been' means we might as well just give it to every decent member of staff that passes us by.

[GoldenMerc]

Lee was talking about Jordan not wanting to have a management role. That's different from being refused by General Management and giving it to someone else altogether.

My mistake, I read it as you rejected him, no he rejected it