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-:Undertaker:-
21-01-2013, 05:52 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265592/The-mother-told-truth-immigration-BBC-Rachel-Bull-explains-HAD-speak-Question-Time.html

Mother who dared to tell the truth about immigration on the BBC: Granddaughter of a Polish airman explains why she HAD to speak up and reveal how her High Street has become a 'foreign country'


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Response: Mrs Bull couldn't keep quiet after hearing Mary Beard deny that there were any problems


When she arrived at Lincoln Drill Hall for BBC1’s Question Time last Thursday, Rachel Bull took a seat towards the back of the audience, never imagining that she would speak during the live television debate. At first, 35-year-old Mrs Bull listened quietly to the panellists discussing issues such as the future of the High Street and the scandal of supermarket burgers contaminated with horse meat. But when the topic shifted to immigration in her family’s home town, Boston in Lincolnshire, she found she could remain silent no longer.

After hearing Cambridge University professor Mary Beard airily dismissing claims that migrant workers were overwhelming the market town, office manager Mrs Bull almost leapt from her seat, waving her hand frantically in the air until she caught the attention of presenter David Dimbleby. ‘Boston is at breaking point. All the locals can’t cope any more,’ she said, her voice trembling with emotion and outrage. ‘You go down to Boston High Street and it’s just like you’re in a foreign country. It’s got to stop. The services are at breaking point.’



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QYCTDXq56w


When she finally finished speaking, there was a moment’s silence and then rapturous applause. In less than a minute, this ordinary working mother had given a snapshot picture of a town at the end of its tether and voiced the fears of huge swathes of the population. After the show had finished, audience members were still feting Mrs Bull like a heroine, shaking her hand and congratulating her for daring to speak out about the lasting impact of mass immigration.

Since then, Mrs Bull, who was born and brought up in Lincolnshire and lives with her marine engineer husband Steven and their ten-year-old son Luke, has had time to reflect on her impromptu television appearance. While she is rather overwhelmed by the attention her impassioned outpouring has attracted, she has no regrets about speaking ‘from the heart’. ‘It was an opportunity I couldn’t let pass,’ says Mrs Bull, who left school at 16 and trained as a secretary.

‘I couldn’t just sit there and say nothing while Mary Beard said that she couldn’t see there were any problems in Boston. I may not be as clever as her or have been to university, but this is my family’s home town and I wanted to say how it really is for the real people that live here. ‘I don’t blame the migrants. It’s not their fault. They are only doing what the law allows them to do, which is come over here and work. I blame the Government for not realising the impact it’s having on ordinary people — or managing it.’



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-LiEC3i6FY


There is little doubt that Boston, where her family’s retirement-home business has been running since the early Sixties, has changed almost beyond recognition in recent years. Over the past decade the population has increased by 15 per cent, swollen by an influx of mainly Eastern Europeans who come looking for work picking cauliflowers, leeks, sprouts and beetroot in Lincolnshire’s vast fields. Officially there are 61,000 people living in this market town in the midst of the Fens, which in medieval times was at the heart of the English wool trade, although with so much immigration, it is hard to keep count. The borough council believes the true figure is more like 70,000.

While the gargantuan 15th-century tower of St Botolph’s Church still dominates the skyline, the town’s main shopping thoroughfare, West Street, has been nicknamed ‘East Street’ by locals because of the number of Baltic stores that have suddenly appeared there. Russian and Lithuanian cafes, Polish delicatessens and Eastern European hairdressers jostling for space alongside the town’s long-standing department store, Oldrids, are a stark reminder of the tensions that exist.

I saw the show the other night and this lady had it absolutely right, she completely put Mary Beard (a left wing academic) in her place who suggested everythings wonderful and just fine, and that those complaining of problems are just small minded Little Englanders - you can see this lady take on Mary Beard in the first video and Nigel Farage take on the other pro-mass immigration politicians in the second video.

But it just shows again, these people live on a different planet. And yet, later this year/next year we're going to be opening our doors to Bulgaria and Romania (29m people) because we're bound to by the European Union - and not one of the main parties is going to do anything about it despite the fact we have a housing crisis and all the other problems we're being overwhelmed with.

Isn't it time the people running this country woke up? but you know they won't, because behind the scences whilst they talk tough - they think people like me and you who think immigration ought to be controlled are just small minded and should shut up about it. Boy are they wrong, I hear Nigel Farage is planning to make it the central issue of the European Election campaign.

I love this quote though, sums it up;

'Politicians and academics live in another world' - Rachel Bull

Thoughts?

Kardan
21-01-2013, 06:00 PM
It is an issue, yes, and people coming in and basically stealing the country's money isn't exactly a good thing. The only thing that gets me about these sorts of articles is that as soon as someone sees something as foreign, it's automatically bad.

With regards to the shops on the high street, I'm assuming they work like every other high street and that when a space becomes available, the company will let it out. If a foreign food shop is doing well, and making money and providing employment, surely that is better than empty high streets? If so many people are worried about their existing British stores, why didn't they let out the space, or continue shopping at other stores before they went bust.

-:Undertaker:-
21-01-2013, 06:06 PM
I have never come across anybody in my life or a comment, other than somebody from the fringe BNP, who have automatically assumed that because something is foreign it's automatically bad. Not once, so don't even try and bring that into it because it doesn't work anymore.

The lady didn't suggest it, Nigel Farage didn't suggest it and I haven't suggested it.

It isn't a case of going bust, if 8,000 people move into your town of 60,000 in a matter of a few short years and start setting up shops on the high street in different languages etc - you're going to feel alienated and that its not your own British town anymore. And thats the point where British people start moving away and the process continues until you've got a city or town which might aswell be in Eastern Europe rather than Britain.

Kardan
21-01-2013, 06:17 PM
I have never come across anybody in my life or a comment, other than somebody from the fringe BNP, who have automatically assumed that because something is foreign it's automatically bad. Not once, so don't even try and bring that into it because it doesn't work anymore.

The lady didn't suggest it, Nigel Farage didn't suggest it and I haven't suggested it.



It isn't a case of going bust, if 8,000 people move into your town of 60,000 in a matter of a few short years and start setting up shops on the high street in different languages etc - you're going to feel alienated and that its not your own British town anymore. And thats the point where British people start moving away and the process continues until you've got a city or town which might aswell be in Eastern Europe rather than Britain.

"You go down to Boston High Street and it’s just like you’re in a foreign country. It’s got to stop. The services are at breaking point."

That to me does make it sound like she's implying that a foreign country is a bad thing, but each to their own :P I agree with you on your second point, some people will feel alienated, others won't. Laws do need to be made more strict so you don't get any Tom, **** or Harry coming on through, but I personally don't have an issue if there's a large ethnic community in my town/city - as long as they are here for a valid enough reason.

-:Undertaker:-
21-01-2013, 06:20 PM
"You go down to Boston High Street and it’s just like you’re in a foreign country. It’s got to stop. The services are at breaking point."

That to me does make it sound like she's implying that a foreign country is a bad thing, but each to their own I agree with you on your second point, some people will feel alienated, others won't. Laws do need to be made more strict so you don't get any Tom, **** or Harry coming on through, but I personally don't have an issue if there's a large ethnic community in my town/city - as long as they are here for a valid enough reason.

She's saying she doesn't want to live in a town that feels like a foreign country. I enjoy holidays to Spain but I wouldn't want to live there nor would I want the area in which I live to resemble Spain or be inhabited by Spanish people who speak a different language from me, eat different food and are just culturally different to me. Does that make me small minded and intolerant?

Home ought to feel like home, the scale of immigration into this country has been too much and too fast - it's transforming quaint little British towns into areas where you feel like your in Eastern Europe or a part of the Middle East.

Kardan
21-01-2013, 06:26 PM
I have never come across anybody either in real life or on mainstream comments, other than the odd fringe BNP comment, to automatically label or assume that anything foreign is bad. Not once, so it really doesn't even need mentioning because as a debate tactic it doesn't work anymore.

The lady didn't suggest that, Nigel Farage didn't suggest that and nor have I.



If you live in a town of 60,000 people and within a space of 5 years 8,000 odd people move in, shops are obviously going to change to cater to their needs - and we frankly don't like it, it alienates people. The problem then starts from the fact that because the town is no longer British in any sense, the British people living there start moving away as they simply don't want to live in a town which feels like a part of Eastern Europe - and from then on the problem gets worse and worse, as more British people flee more immigrants move in and transform the town even more.

That's what people have a problem with, the scale, speed and nature of the change thats taking place - and nobody ever asked them.

Well, I've yet to see this happen to a town or city yet, but I assume we're in the early days of such developments. It's all down to the law really, if people come into the country legally and have a right to stay there then we don't have the right to say 'No, you can't live here there are too many _______'s here. We need to keep at least a __% White British Population'. That's just wrong. Of course, if the laws were to change, you wouldn't need to do this.

What do UKIP want to change the immigration laws too? What would you need to achieve to come and live in the UK?

-:Undertaker:-
21-01-2013, 06:35 PM
Well, I've yet to see this happen to a town or city yet, but I assume we're in the early days of such developments. It's all down to the law really, if people come into the country legally and have a right to stay there then we don't have the right to say 'No, you can't live here there are too many _______'s here. We need to keep at least a __% White British Population'. That's just wrong. Of course, if the laws were to change, you wouldn't need to do this.

I hope this is another lapse as you've just made yourself look very silly by bringing race into this, nobody mentioned anything about race and you really need to understand that multiculturalism is not multiracialism. Have we got that clear?

I also don't propose throwing anybody out, i've never ever stated that nor has anybody other than the BNP. What the vast majority of people do want however is the law to be changed (first by leaving the European Union) which means that immigration is lowered definitely below the 100,000 mark and that we only allow skilled and needed workers into this country who are capable of supporting themselves and are background vetted for any past crimes they may have committed.

Now is that really too much to ask? again, absolutely nothing to do with race so don't go there.


What do UKIP want to change the immigration laws too? What would you need to achieve to come and live in the UK?

http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies/1499-immigration-ukip-policy

Controlled immigration that benefits the UK and allows for integration to take place, common sense really - like Australia.

Chippiewill
21-01-2013, 06:36 PM
I watched the show last night and every time Mary Beard spoke I wanted to kill myself, she brought highly specific anecdotal evidence and decided that it was cause for a trend. I have no idea what a professor of classics was doing on the panel in all honesty since her opinion seems entirely irrelevant quite frankly.

Kardan
21-01-2013, 06:42 PM
I hope this is another lapse as you've just made yourself look very silly by bringing race into this, nobody mentioned anything about race and you really need to understand that multiculturalism is not multiracialism. Have we got that clear?

I also don't propose throwing anybody out, i've never ever stated that nor has anybody other than the BNP. What the vast majority of people do want however is the law to be changed (first by leaving the European Union) which means that immigration is lowered definitely below the 100,000 mark and that we only allow skilled and needed workers into this country who are capable of supporting themselves and are background vetted for any past crimes they may have committed.

Now is that really too much to ask? again, absolutely nothing to do with race so don't go there.



http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies/1499-immigration-ukip-policy

Controlled immigration that benefits the UK and allows for integration to take place, common sense really - like Australia.

Don't worry, I didn't word my sentence very well. I wasn't proposing somebody going around saying 'You can't live here, please leave', it was more of a 'You can't live here, please do not enter'. And you are right, it's culture not race with the whole towns changing scenario, even though the two are linked.

I do agree with more points in UKIP's policy than I expected to be honest with you, but some of them I still disagree with. Perhaps some of the bigger parties will see UKIP's increasing popularity and maybe look into some of the policies that UKIP are going with. (And I stress, some, not all :P)

The Don
21-01-2013, 07:48 PM
Hardly breaking news...

peteyt
22-01-2013, 03:02 AM
Always sadly hearing reports like this but sadly sounds like nothing is going to happen any time soon if anything it will just get worse. There's people struggling to survive already without adding extra people. I'm fine with people coming over, and there are some great foreign doctors in the UK, with some foreign workers working harder than many UK workers but we need to make sure our country doesn't come over crowded.

Also I know it's always said, but the thing that annoys me the worst is when foreign people escape their country due to bad stuff happening and then once they get here want to turn our country into their old country.

dbgtz
22-01-2013, 09:52 PM
I watched the show last night and every time Mary Beard spoke I wanted to kill myself, she brought highly specific anecdotal evidence and decided that it was cause for a trend. I have no idea what a professor of classics was doing on the panel in all honesty since her opinion seems entirely irrelevant quite frankly.

She's a bit of an ignorant bigot really, couldn't stand that woman when I watched it.

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