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Chippiewill
17-05-2013, 07:53 PM
Suggestions that global warming has stalled are a "diversionary tactic" from "deniers" who want the public to be confused over climate change, according to the world's best-known climate scientist. Prof James Hansen, who first alerted the world to climate change in 1988, said on Friday: "It is not true that the temperature has not changed in the two decades."

Since 1998, when the Niņo climate phenomenon caused global temperatures to soar, the rate of increase in warming has slowed, causing some sceptics to suggest climate change has stopped or that the effect of rising carbon dioxide levels on climate is not as great as previously thought.

Prof Hansen, speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, rejected both arguments. "In the last decade it has warmed only a tenth of a degree compared to two-tenths of a degree in the preceeding decade, but that's just natural variability. There is no reason to be surprised by that at all," he said. "If you look over a 30-40 year period the expected warming is two-tenths of a degree per decade, but that doesn't mean each decade is going to warm two-tenths of a degree: there is too much natural variability."

Prof Hansen said the focus by some on "details" was a smokescreen. "This is a diversionary tactic. Our understanding of global warming and human-made climate change has not been affected at all," he said. "It's because the deniers [of the science] want the public to be confused. They raise these minor issues and then we forget about what the main story is. The main story is carbon dioxide is going up and it is going to produce a climate which is going to have dramatic changes if we don't begin to reduce our emissions." In 2008, scientists anticipated an upcoming slowing in temperature rises.

Prof Hansen, who recently stepped down from his Nasa post after almost 50 years to focus on communication, said the forecast impact of climate change was little affected by the recent slowdown in the rate of rising temperatures.

"Climate is a complicated system but there is no change at all in our understanding of climate sensitivity [to carbon dioxide] and where the climate is headed," he said. "Our understanding of sensitivity is based on the Earth's history, not on climate models, and we have good data on how the Earth responded in the past when carbon dioxide changed. So there is no reason to change the forecast for the long term." On 9 May, a new study of lake sediments from a remote meteorite crater in Siberia showed temperatures in the region were 8C higher the last time CO2 levels were as high as they are today. Last week, atmospheric CO2 concentrations reached the milestone 400 parts per million, for the first time in millions of years.

Prof Hansen has caused controversy in the past with statements including "CEOs of fossil fuel companies should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature" and the assertion that "coal-fired power plants are factories of death".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/may/17/global-warming-not-stalled-climate

I know that some members of this forum *cough* dan *cough* seem to think the past 10 years undo the past 100, however hopefully this puts any doubt at rest that climate change has 'stopped'.

-:Undertaker:-
17-05-2013, 08:26 PM
The scare in the 1980s was of global cooling, now its global warming.. sorry climate change... sorry sustainable development. The climate has changed, continues to change and always will change - regardess of human actions. As seen in the Lord Monckton lectures (which can be viewed on Youtube) - even using the UN's own data - any change from doing nothing is very small and largely beneficial to humanity.

Hundreds of not thousands of scientists who have signed the Manhattan Declaration disagree with this professor - and that is just what science is all about, disagreement. The portrayal thats been peddled that all scientists agree and that those who disagree are kooks is one that ought to be challenged because its simply not true. I like Lord Lawson, Lord Monckton, Christopher Booker, James Delingpole, Piers Corbyn and many others happen to side with the thesis that humanity isn't causing any warming (due to the fact its now been proven warming has stalled, despite the lies put out by the pro-AGW lobby) and that even if humanity is causing warming - the best option to take is to ignore it for a variety of reasons that I will go into if need be.

I think the quotes at the end of the piece from Professor Hansen show rather how radical and 'out there' he is. It certainly hasn't changed my mind and indeed rather, it smacks of desperation to me of an industry and a scare thats dying off - much like SARS, global cooling, HIV & AIDS and all the other money making schemes we've been subjected to over the years. I'll post the first part of one of the best (short) videos i've seen on this topic.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08SVnB_PBNQ

Chippiewill
17-05-2013, 08:28 PM
HIV & AIDS

You think that's a hoax?

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Hundreds of not thousands of scientists who have signed the Manhattan Declaration disagree with this professor - and that is just what science is all about, disagreement. The portrayal thats been peddled that all scientists agree and that those who disagree are kooks is one that ought to be challenged because its simply not true. I like Lord Lawson, Lord Monckton, Christopher Booker, James Delingpole, Piers Corbyn and many others happen to side with the thesis that humanity isn't causing any warming (due to the fact its now been proven warming has stalled, despite the lies put out by the pro-AGW lobby) and that even if humanity is causing warming - the best option to take is to ignore it for a variety of reasons that I will go into if need be.

And the hundreds OF thousands who agree that climate change is a thing? I guess we ignore those guys.

-:Undertaker:-
17-05-2013, 08:33 PM
You think that's a hoax?

No, you misunderstand me. I am talking about the scare that is often overblown in the initial years regarding things like swine flu, SARS along with HIV and AIDS. Lord Monckton himself (who is on my side in this) was caught up in the AIDS scare himself, suggesting at the time that people with HIV/AIDS ought to be sent to isolation to save humanity.

Remember swine flu on these forums? even I was hysterical suggesting the borders be closed. That is what happens when the media and government collude together to blow something up much bigger than it is - often so certain people (including the state itself) can make a lot of money from it. Just think of terrorism and how that is overblown so that the state can removed civil liberties. Government always uses fear or creates a threat as a tool to justify its actions.

Chippiewill
17-05-2013, 08:35 PM
even I was hysterical suggesting the borders be closed.

I suspect there may have been ulterior motives in that particular case.

-:Undertaker:-
17-05-2013, 08:42 PM
I suspect there may have been ulterior motives in that particular case.

I've never suggested the borders be closed, are you crazy? closing the borders would entail all visas prevented from entering, all British people from entering and leaving, all goods being prevented from enterting - naive and stupid I know looking back, but at the time of the scare and the way it was being blown up by the press and the government - I really was led to believe that we'd have tens of thousands dying literally in the streets. The state and media love to build hysterical stories up like that, and that time I fell for it just as when I was a kid back in 2002/2003 - I really thought and believed that Saddam Hussein was literally days away from nuking us. With age your ******** sensors improve, for sure.

I know you might have meant that as a joke in regards to immigration, but just covering myself if not. :P


And the hundreds OF thousands who agree that climate change is a thing? I guess we ignore those guys.

Well numbers don't actually make anything right, just as the vast majority once believed the Earth was flat. Throughout history scientific consensus' of the day have been shattered by sometimes even one person. I'm just saying that there is a large body of scientific opinion out there who side with my view - something that people are often unaware of as we've only been fed one side of the story.

Chippiewill
17-05-2013, 08:45 PM
I know you might have meant that as a joke in regards to immigration, but just covering myself if not. :P
I certainly wasn't being serious.

GommeInc
17-05-2013, 09:56 PM
I like to think it's natural and it's stupid to try and slow it down or prevent it, or to assume we're to blame. It seems a bit hypocritical to state the recent ice age over and over again, then go on to say the melting ice caps are unnaturally melting when it seems obvious that the opposite effects of an ice age are what we are experiencing - harsher climates and possible warmth in some areas. Any historical geographical discussions continuously state the ice age, yet when the focus is on recent history they seem to write off the ice age forgetting that the opposite of cold is warmth. It's such a boring discussion that it seems a bit tedious to keep going on about it, when the main focus should be on changing how we use energy efficiently, and that doesn't mean changing reliable energy sources for economically unjustifiable and unreliable sources. If wind could replace fossil fuels or nuclear, then it would benefit our energy use, but it simply cannot, unless the North Sea and Atlantic Oceans become a sea of wind farms which would cost the earth :/

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