Apple WWDC - 10-14th June.

[Fehm]

Hi all - it's been a hell of a long time :)

In case any of you hadn't heard, Apple's major keynote event of the summer takes place next week.

Here's a rumour roundup of what's expected/anticipated to be announced in their event on Monday (10th - 10AM-12AM American time):



iOS7 - a major revamp to the operating system shipped with all of their mobile devices.


Screenshots from the WWDC app (released today) show a graphically "flatter" OS... your opinions on this one?

http://s15.postimg.org/4kltiodfv/Screen_Shot_2013_06_03_at_20_44_34.png



Improvements to OS X (though the big cat it's named after is still under debate). Those rumoured include tabbed finder browsing, the addition of Siri, full-screen apps for multiple displays (others inc. fast app switcher (like that with iOS's double-tap the home button)).
Safari is said to be getting an update which will include faster loading times - the ins and outs of, no one seems to know though.
iRadio - Apple's answer to Spotify, Pandora and Rdio. Rumours rooted in the deals being made between publishing and content-creating sources (major labels, etc). Not too much on the functionality or whether it will actually appear this time round yet though.
iPad Mini 2. I've got a feeling we'll be left a little underwhelmed at this one. Incremental updates are probably gonna be the only thing we'll see - retina display, better camera, bit faster and probably thinner and lighter.
An upgrade in processor for the Macbook Pro and Macbook Air is pretty much concrete now. Though, a little unexciting to say the least.


If you find anything more, post it in here. Let me know what you think! I'm a bit of an Apple fanboy nowadays so expect a tough fight you androiders ;)

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Things that I'm personally NOT expecting to see: iTV and iWatch. Still too little information out their to really suggest we'll be seeing them this early in 2013.

[xxMATTGxx]

As an iPhone user and since it's the only Apple product I have - I am interested to see what they have to say about iOS 7 for sure.

[Fehm]

As an iPhone user and since it's the only Apple product I have - I am interested to see what they have to say about iOS 7 for sure.

What would you like to see? :)

[Chippiewill]

Bye bye skeuomorphism. It'll be interesting to see how Apple manages this without looking like a Windows Phone / Android rip off.

[HarrySX]

What would you like to see? :)

Apple has always had good integration between devices but I'd like to see further improvements. Something that allows better native integration between Mac, iPhone + iPad would be good...

[Recursion]

Looking forward to iOS7, waiting on the new MacBook Airs for an upgrade to the new Haswell CPUs.

[Fehm]

Apple has always had good integration between devices but I'd like to see further improvements. Something that allows better native integration between Mac, iPhone + iPad would be good...

Hi Harry... so surreal actually coming back on here...

Yh, I agree. iCloud needs sprucing up a little but I've never really been displeased at how easy it is to transfer stuff between all of my iOS/OS X devices tbh!

[HarrySX]

Bye bye skeuomorphism. It'll be interesting to see how Apple manages this without looking like a Windows Phone / Android rip off.

I think Ives + co will pull something off.

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Hi Harry... so surreal actually coming back on here...

Yh, I agree. iCloud needs sprucing up a little but I've never really been displeased at how easy it is to transfer stuff between all of my iOS/OS X devices tbh!

Ha, tell me about it :D I perked up here a few months ago but have slipped away again. Checking every now and again.

[Mr-Trainor]

I'm looking forward to iOS 7. I wasn't at first, but I love the look of the WWDC app so hopefully I'll like the whole new iOS look as well :P.

[Jack!]

I'll hang fire on iOS7 till I see some pictures of it.

Macbook,There probably will be an update, not to fussed as I just got a rMBP, I don't think they will drop the non-retina however, its too good of a seller.

iPad Mini - Again, not to fussed, just got one, I doubt there will be any ground breaking updates.

[iLogan]

supposed leak of ios7 homescreen

**** quality though

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/06/ios7icons.jpg

[Calum0812]

Oo. Exciting stuff!

[Fehm]

supposed leak of ios7 homescreen

**** quality though

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/06/ios7icons.jpg

Ohhhh, not too much of a difference then - just the icons seemingly redesigned for the homescreen....

Can't wait to see more.

[GommeInc]

iOS7 could be interesting to see. They've been needing to change iOS for a while now since WP8 and Android have sharp, modern looks to them.

[mrwoooooooo]

It's not going to change as much as people expect it to imo

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[Mark]

I'm curious for ios7 however I hope they don't muck it up!

[Mr-Trainor]

supposed leak of ios7 homescreen

**** quality though

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/06/ios7icons.jpg
That's expected to be just an early alpha version of iOS7, but with the low quality I can't really tell whether I like it or not :P.

[Ashley]

I'm looking forward to the rMBP update so I can finally get my hands on one. iOS7 will also be interesting, and hopefully it's a bit less boring than iOS6.

[peteyt]

Not a big fan or follower of Apple but I heard that Apple has a new re-designed Mac Pro (Tower) possibly being revealed at the event. I've heard that a lot of power users haven't been happy with the lack of updates to it recently.

[Fehm]

Not a big fan or follower of Apple but I heard that Apple has a new re-designed Mac Pro (Tower) possibly being revealed at the event. I've heard that a lot of power users haven't been happy with the lack of updates to it recently.

I can understand why they'd be annoyed - aesthetics are something that Apple are extremely good at and the Pro has never seen anything major happen in the past 3-4 (maybe more) years.

I really really really really really hope this isn't going to be incremental updates across the board again - a new product would be really nice.

[peteyt]

I can understand why they'd be annoyed - aesthetics are something that Apple are extremely good at and the Pro has never seen anything major happen in the past 3-4 (maybe more) years.

I really really really really really hope this isn't going to be incremental updates across the board again - a new product would be really nice.

I think the big problem isn't really aesthetics but more specs. They seem to have been regularly updating all their main lines but the pro users which probably spend the most haven't had any updates for ages. I'm sure I read the specs are well dated now.

[Catchy]

supposed leak of ios7 homescreen

**** quality though

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/06/ios7icons.jpg

I read they're going with the more of a flat design approach which is all the latest trend now, I hope they don't go too flat though because personally I think the likes of the flat design on say the windows phone is ugly as hell. Simple, yeah but also ugly imo.

Anyways don't like the look of that screenie, surely it's probably 90% going to be fake anyways. Looks like a winterboard theme more than anything...

[iBlueBox]

Hope they launch iRadio.

[Mr-Trainor]

Hope they launch iRadio.
Looks likely :P.
http://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/07/iradio-announcement-at-wwdc-looking-likely-after-sony-signs-on/

[Aaron]

This'll be interesting, looking forward to this event. Hopefully see some nice changes. :)

[Chris]

Interested for any ios7 info but I doubt there will be any massive change.

[Mark]

I wonder if they'll offer like a free month of iRadio like Spotify does with Premium. What time does it start?

[Fehm]

I wonder if they'll offer like a free month of iRadio like Spotify does with Premium. What time does it start?

I was under the impression iRadio was going to be free to Apple users? May be wrong though.

and I believe it's 6PM GMT, but I can't find the live stream links.

[iBlueBox]

I was under the impression iRadio was going to be free to Apple users? May be wrong though.

and I believe it's 6PM GMT, but I can't find the live stream links.

It's being streamed on Apple TV by Apple itself.

This means more then likely like the iPad Mini announcement It will stream for those who own a Mac or iOS device as well.

[AgnesIO]

It's being streamed on Apple TV by Apple itself.

This means more then likely like the iPad Mini announcement It will stream for those who own a Mac or iOS device as well.

I heard it wasn't being live streamed :L

Still if it is, YAY for my hackintosh :D

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[Kieran]

http://www.apple.com/apple-events/june-2013/ for the live streaming.

Apparently 9to5Mac were shown a BETA release of iOS7 today and they created a mockup of what they saw. Needless to say what they have created looks hideous. I just hope they were trolling when they made the mock up :l

http://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/homescreen-dock.png?w=704

[AgnesIO]

http://www.apple.com/apple-events/june-2013/ for the live streaming.

Apparently 9to5Mac were shown a BETA release of iOS7 today and they created a mockup of what they saw. Needless to say what they have created looks hideous. I just hope they were trolling when they made the mock up :l

http://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/homescreen-dock.png?w=704

Is be shocked if Apple showed anyone anything - certainly goes against their usual secrecy - not sire why they would show this off just hours before the event.

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[Kieran]

Is be shocked if Apple showed anyone anything - certainly goes against their usual secrecy - not sire why they would show this off just hours before the event.

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http://9to5mac.com/2013/06/09/what-ios7-looks-like/

[AgnesIO]

http://9to5mac.com/2013/06/09/what-ios7-looks-like/

Still not sure I believe it lol. That is basically saying an Apple person leaked it, right?

Look forward to the event tonight.

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[Kieran]

Still not sure I believe it lol. That is basically saying an Apple person leaked it, right?

Look forward to the event tonight.

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Someone who has access to the BETA's leaked it yes but wouldn't allow them to use actual screenshots because of the fact the testers have their own personal watermark on the pictures to stop leaks, hence why they had to make their own mockup of it.

[AgnesIO]

Someone who has access to the BETA's leaked it yes but wouldn't allow them to use actual screenshots because of the fact the testers have their own personal watermark on the pictures to stop leaks, hence why they had to make their own mockup of it.

Yeah, but that makes it difficult to believe the mockups are truly accurate. Cannot believe Sir Jonny Ive would make that bad a design haha

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[iBlueBox]

I heard it wasn't being live streamed :L

Still if it is, YAY for my hackintosh :D

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http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/10/apples-wwdc-2013-keynote-to-stream-live-on-apple-tv/

They only announce them last minute normally.

[AgnesIO]

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/10/apples-wwdc-2013-keynote-to-stream-live-on-apple-tv/

They only announce them last minute normally.

Yeah seen it is official now - I read this morning there would be no stream, pleased there will be though!

Got to pick between this and Xbox now though :(

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[AgnesIO]

Holy **** I almost failed to watch the broadcast! Had my Hackintosh up, forgot to change onto Safari :L On it just in time ;)

[AgnesIO]

The anki drive app looks very smart, albeit a little pointless haha.

Bet it'll be seriously expensive too

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Typical warped figures - talking about growth, but ignored the fact that 3% of 100,000,000 is still more than 20% of 10,000,000.

Woo new OSX :). Funny jokes too about cats

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Finder officially has tabs - one good thing, not surprising though

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Multiple display support improved it would appear.

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OSX Mavericks

Surprised they are still using OSX but changing the naming scheme...

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[Kieran]

Someone please buy me a Mac Pro :D Wished they'd said the price :(

[xxMATTGxx]

I am not sure I like what they have done to the Mac Pro case.

[Stadiums]

iOS7 looks amazing <3.<3

[iBlueBox]

iOS 7 looks far amazing!

[xxMATTGxx]

And this is why I switched to an iPhone.

[Stadiums]

No way I would get an Android seeing that ;]

[mrwoooooooo]

And this is why I switched to an iPhone.

because they copied everyone else?

[Kieran]

And this is why I switched to an iPhone.

Clearly not because you swapped before any of this was announced...

[AgnesIO]

And this is why I switched to an iPhone.

Expand? :L

[Not being a fanboy.. just got my sister to get a WP8 device, sister an iPhone and myself on Android ;l]

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The Mac Pro just doesn't look... Appleish?

[Kieran]

Expand? :L

[Not being a fanboy.. just got my sister to get a WP8 device, sister an iPhone and myself on Android ;l]

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The Mac Pro just doesn't look... Appleish?

I think they're trying to move in a completely new direction with it.

[AgnesIO]

I think they're trying to move in a completely new direction with it.

As in the Apple brand, or just the Mac Pro?

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Control centre and multitasking do just look like the Android versions of them lol

[Mark]

Blown away with iOS 7 so far, probably because they've never gave it a fresh look. I'm a bit nervous about AirDrop, here's hoping it's safe!

[xxMATTGxx]

Clearly not because you swapped before any of this was announced...

iOS 7 was always going to come out and it was rumoured a while back that it was going to be a new design.

[Kieran]

As in the Apple brand, or just the Mac Pro?

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Control centre and multitasking do just look like the Android versions of them lol

Just the Mac Pro cause its been 10 years since it was last updated. Think they just wanted to give it a complete overhaul rather than just update the insides.

[xxMATTGxx]

because they copied everyone else?

Yeah but they can pull it off and push the updates out.

[AgnesIO]

Yeah but they can pull it off and push the updates out.

Google can too, Nexus...

I imagine WP8 updates will be pretty easy to push too.


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Organising photos based on time etc? Oh wow, already do that lol

[xxMATTGxx]

Google can too, Nexus...

I imagine WP8 updates will be pretty easy to push too.


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Organising photos based on time etc? Oh wow, already do that lol

Google can with Nexus but in the past they couldn't. Also, It took ages for Mango to be pushed out on Windows Phone. I hope they do a better job with 8 updates though.

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Google can too, Nexus...

I imagine WP8 updates will be pretty easy to push too.


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Organising photos based on time etc? Oh wow, already do that lol

Google can with Nexus but in the past they couldn't. Also, It took ages for Mango to be pushed out on Windows Phone. I hope they do a better job with 8 updates though. I came from Windows Phone, the lack of apps and features is what pushed me away :(

[AgnesIO]

Google can with Nexus but in the past they couldn't. Also, It took ages for Mango to be pushed out on Windows Phone. I hope they do a better job with 8 updates though.

I imagine they will with Windows Phone 8 Blue, obviously only time will tell though.

And you are right that they couldn't in the past, but Apple phones never had the control centre or the new photo organising app - but I won't now say "well yes, but you never used to be able to do so" :L

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I am pleased with the Siri updates, as always when Google or Apple makes improvements the other soon follows - ultimately a win win for the consumer :)

[xxMATTGxx]

I imagine they will with Windows Phone 8 Blue, obviously only time will tell though.

And you are right that they couldn't in the past, but Apple phones never had the control centre or the new photo organising app - but I won't now say "well yes, but you never used to be able to do so" :L

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I am pleased with the Siri updates, as always when Google or Apple makes improvements the other soon follows - ultimately a win win for the consumer :)

I mean more about the software updates than features really. I don't want to be waiting around or messing about to get the latest update on my phone :P

[AgnesIO]

Automatic updates? God, I wouldn't want that :L

Hopefully that is able to be disabled - even if just for some apps.

[xxMATTGxx]

Automatic updates? God, I wouldn't want that :L

Hopefully that is able to be disabled - even if just for some apps.

I hope so...

[Mark]

iTunes Radio, is this the infamous iRadio? I'm confused

[xxMATTGxx]

iOS 7 will be available for:

iPhone 4 and later, iPad 2 and later, iPad mini and the 5th gen iPod touch.

[Chris]

I can get it on my ipad but not my phone. They've finally dropped the 3GS hah.

[Jordan]

ios7 not on the ipod 4 for god sake! how annoying.

[xxMATTGxx]

Better photo of the Mac Pro from the back...

http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/10/4415714/new-mac-pro-first-look

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http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/

[AgnesIO]

Better photo of the Mac Pro from the back...

http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/10/4415714/new-mac-pro-first-look

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http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/

It isn't ugly, but I do think it has an unpractical design - and still can't my head around it being Apple :L

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Oh wow, Mac Pro is really small - making the odd design a little less problematic.

I wonder if the 4 will be dropped next year - guess dropping it now would have been unfeasible since a huge number of people still have one.

[iBlueBox]

It isn't ugly, but I do think it has an unpractical design - and still can't my head around it being Apple :L

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Oh wow, Mac Pro is really small - making the odd design a little less problematic.


I wonder if the 4 will be dropped next year - guess dropping it now would have been unfeasible since a huge number of people still have one.

Don't they normally drop a device because the CPU can't handle the latest OS.

Also, does iOS 7 feature animated wallpapers?

[AgnesIO]

Don't they normally drop a device because the CPU can't handle the latest OS.

Also, does iOS 7 feature animated wallpapers?

There has not been enough history to really prove/disprove that theory :L

[xxMATTGxx]

For those who haven't seen the two videos on this page:

http://www.apple.com/designed-by-apple/

[Adam]

That is one ugly looking computer. It'll appeal to their target audience, however.

[AgnesIO]

Just realised the desire is a bit like the design of their new HQ :L

[Jack!]

Well, no Macbook Pro updates, looks like I made my purchase at the right time.

iOS7, Will update my iPhone, not sure about the iPad though.

It made sense for them to drop the 3GS, I think the iPhone 4 will last till iOS8, Then it will have had the same lifespan as the 3GS.

[xxMATTGxx]

Well this looks interesting:

http://www.mattgarner.net/uploads/IMG_0574.PNG

[today]

Cannot wait to install this update :)

[AgnesIO]

Well this looks interesting:

http://www.mattgarner.net/uploads/IMG_0574.PNG

Cheaper iPhone? :)

[Mr-Trainor]

I like the look of iOS 7 - the Mac Pro looks interesting but doesn't bother me :P.

[Jack!]

iOS7 Running on my iPhone 4. (And yes I was up til gone 4am trying to get it to work.)

http://i.imgur.com/EjLPNzf.png
http://i.imgur.com/4yxVlCD.png
http://i.imgur.com/mP9cD6k.png
http://i.imgur.com/KTnoIVO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UvDxwlV.png
http://i.imgur.com/pVidC9W.png
http://i.imgur.com/OB2gKiT.png
http://i.imgur.com/cSuEYPW.png

[today]

Also got it on my phone and it's so much better in person.

[AgnesIO]

iOS7 Running on my iPhone 4. (And yes I was up til gone 4am trying to get it to work.)







http://i.imgur.com/OB2gKiT.png
http://i.imgur.com/cSuEYPW.png

http://cdn.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/articleimage/684/2012/03/htc/Screenshots/thumb_tall_sense-4-multitasking.png

http://cdn.androidcommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Screen-Shot-2012-08-23-at-11.23.32-AM-540x292.png

Looks familiar.

[today]

And let the moaning and ******** begin between OS.

[AgnesIO]

And let the moaning and ******** begin between OS.

Haha - in fairness, as normal the Apple version looks more attractive. Just thought i'd get in that it isn't original (I'm sure many of my friends with Apple products will show off their new multitasking skills to me in the coming months).

[xxMATTGxx]

Few features that they didn't really talk about or show:

http://www.cultofmac.com/231320/10-awesome-ios-7-features-that-apple-didnt-mention-at-wwdc/

[iBlueBox]

How is everyone getting iOS 7 early?

[xxMATTGxx]

How is everyone getting iOS 7 early?

Developer accounts, as they have access to a dev preview/beta build.

[Jack!]

How is everyone getting iOS 7 early?

This, If you pay the £60 or so a year you have access to publishing apps, and you get all the BETA's..


Or just use a site where you can pay to have your UDID added to a dev account.

[GommeInc]

The Mac Pro looks quite cool, definitely a step forward in the desktop market as far as design goes (sleek and small), but this could be a step forward towards a solid, brick wall - seeing as desktop PCs tend to be slowly dying these days. All in Ones like the iMac have been slowly taking control of the market, and even then it's not been exception control and growth. I can't imagine it would be cheap to buy either, or easy to customise which, from what I recall, made the Pro reasonably popular (and I say popular in a diluted sense of the word).

Not sure about iOS 7 though. It looks like something you need to see in person, because from the pictures it looks a bit cheap looking, although that's probably an improvement on the seemingly dated previous designs.

EDIT: The link someone posted to "10 Awesome iOS7 Features..." was interesting. The first picture of the unlock screen looks an awful lot like the default Nexus screen (pale, opaque orbs floating against a darker shaded background) with a digital clock that looks very similar to the Android digital clock. The keyboard looks a lot like Google Keyboard too, which was updated recently - not forgetting the same image also shows a search box that can be accessed on each home screen 0 which Android has had for some time too, although iOS 7 has made it so it is hidden in the notification bar (another similar Android feature) for when you need it.

If it wasn't for the icons, you would think this was an Android device on first sight :P

[Aaron]

Saw iOS7 previews the other day on Apple's site, wow it looks great. It's much tidier and clean, love that it's colourful.

Although not sure if it's just me, but doesn't actually look like an iPhone design anymore? Could be just me, but can't wait to get it on my 5. :P

[Mr-Trainor]

Saw iOS7 previews the other day on Apple's site, wow it looks great. It's much tidier and clean, love that it's colourful.

Although not sure if it's just me, but doesn't actually look like an iPhone design anymore? Could be just me, but can't wait to get it on my 5. :P
I thought that at first, but once you look at it a bit more you can still tell it's an iPhone :P. Although, for some of the apps like the weather one I wouldn't have guessed it was on iPhone (built in).

[xxMATTGxx]

I didn't want to create a new thread for this but it's quite an interesting video:


http://youtu.be/PGtP6ZQ6Lt8

[AgnesIO]

I didn't want to create a new thread for this but it's quite an interesting video:


http://youtu.be/PGtP6ZQ6Lt8

My views on this;

As heartwarming as the case studies are, I would note that Apple didn't actually do ANY of the work involved for these apps. They show off how they are helping Africa, why not put some of that $150,000,000,000 cash pile towards eradicating malaria, a disease that kills 1.2m annually, causes brain damage in many young children destroying any chance they may have once had at escaping the poverty cycle. I totally respect Apple is a computer business, but it almost angers me how they try and show how incredible they are based on OTHER PEOPLES work. Furthermore, all these wonderful applications that can truly save lives could be truly incredible if Apple could release a cheap version of iOS for these countries (lock it down to only work with select apps if they must).

Undeniably those apps are incredible, and it is great they work on iOS - but the case is simply that these apps COULD work on WP, Android etc if they were developed for it - Apple really hasn't paved the way for this to happen, and my god if they really wanted to make a difference, that $150Bn would go one hell of a long way.

[RyRy]

Looks lovely, looking forward to using it. Probably won't need to jailbreak anymore after seeing the features, they've raided a ton of features on Cydia Store such as the Control Center (SBSettings\IntelliScreenX) & unlimited folders (Infinifolders). Hear it's proper unstable at the mo though, so best steer clear.

[xxMATTGxx]

My views on this;

As heartwarming as the case studies are, I would note that Apple didn't actually do ANY of the work involved for these apps. They show off how they are helping Africa, why not put some of that $150,000,000,000 cash pile towards eradicating malaria, a disease that kills 1.2m annually, causes brain damage in many young children destroying any chance they may have once had at escaping the poverty cycle. I totally respect Apple is a computer business, but it almost angers me how they try and show how incredible they are based on OTHER PEOPLES work. Furthermore, all these wonderful applications that can truly save lives could be truly incredible if Apple could release a cheap version of iOS for these countries (lock it down to only work with select apps if they must).

Undeniably those apps are incredible, and it is great they work on iOS - but the case is simply that these apps COULD work on WP, Android etc if they were developed for it - Apple really hasn't paved the way for this to happen, and my god if they really wanted to make a difference, that $150Bn would go one hell of a long way.

I don't think they are trying to take credit for the apps that have been created. They are showing off the apps on iOS and how some of those have changed lives or made lives easier. They are showing that apps on iOS are making a difference and they are. You can't deny that fact, any other platform can also do this but Apple are showing the apps on their platform which is obvious. (Most of the apps they have shown are also on Android but that's up to them to Android suppliers to advertise that)

None of the people in the video are from Apple either which also proves my point. They are basically advertising what their products can do with the apps that people have made. They aren't misleading anyone in the video staying no other product can do it.

[RyRy]

For those discussing Apple stealing ideas and what not (I assume most of this thread without even having to read it, predictable enough eh?), check out this article. It's about iOS 7's influences, and the design work on the actual article is beautiful:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/11/4418188/apple-ios-7-design-influences

[xxMATTGxx]

For those discussing Apple stealing ideas and what not (I assume most of this thread without even having to read it, predictable enough eh?), check out this article. It's about iOS 7's influences, and the design work on the actual article is beautiful:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/11/4418188/apple-ios-7-design-influences

Read that a few minutes ago and I agree with one of the quotes/statements


"The issue isn't whether Apple stole, it's whether it did a good job of it"

At times you have to take ideas/features from other companies as it does actually make sense.

[RyRy]

Read that a few minutes ago and I agree with one of the quotes/statements



At times you have to take ideas/features from other companies as it does actually make sense.

Completely agree, there's copying and then there's making it better. I think Apple have subsequently done a mix of both looking at the OS from pictures. One of the bits I loved was about how the Android back swipe actually came from Nokia, so does that make Android the copy? :O Just kidding, it's improvement on innovation.

OH MY WORD MICROSOFT JUST BURNT APPLE:

https://twitter.com/windowsphone/status/344923318551445504

[AgnesIO]

I don't think they are trying to take credit for the apps that have been created. They are showing off the apps on iOS and how some of those have changed lives or made lives easier. They are showing that apps on iOS are making a difference and they are. You can't deny that fact, any other platform can also do this but Apple are showing the apps on their platform which is obvious. (Most of the apps they have shown are also on Android but that's up to them to Android suppliers to advertise that)

None of the people in the video are from Apple either which also proves my point. They are basically advertising what their products can do with the apps that people have made. They aren't misleading anyone in the video staying no other product can do it.

Really? I'd say "Apple - Making A Difference" is 100% giving themselves the credit for it, I mean that is blatant... if they weren't they would have titled it "Developers - Making A Difference". I don't mind companies claiming credit (which they HAVE implied in the title alone) - but please, only if they made that life changing app, or they stopped being disgusting and sitting on a monumental pile of cash.

[xxMATTGxx]

My views on this;

As heartwarming as the case studies are, I would note that Apple didn't actually do ANY of the work involved for these apps. They show off how they are helping Africa, why not put some of that $150,000,000,000 cash pile towards eradicating malaria, a disease that kills 1.2m annually, causes brain damage in many young children destroying any chance they may have once had at escaping the poverty cycle. I totally respect Apple is a computer business, but it almost angers me how they try and show how incredible they are based on OTHER PEOPLES work. Furthermore, all these wonderful applications that can truly save lives could be truly incredible if Apple could release a cheap version of iOS for these countries (lock it down to only work with select apps if they must).

Undeniably those apps are incredible, and it is great they work on iOS - but the case is simply that these apps COULD work on WP, Android etc if they were developed for it - Apple really hasn't paved the way for this to happen, and my god if they really wanted to make a difference, that $150Bn would go one hell of a long way.

Please, most or nearly all of their videos contain the word Apple at the front. Apple changed we looked at apps and the mobile industry when they brought their first phone out. Apple do donate to charity and even more under Tim Cook. Yes the apps they have shown can and do work on other platforms. Advertising is advertising at the end of the day and Apple do a good job at it.

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Completely agree, there's copying and then there's making it better. I think Apple have subsequently done a mix of both looking at the OS from pictures. One of the bits I loved was about how the Android back swipe actually came from Nokia, so does that make Android the copy? :O Just kidding, it's improvement on innovation.

OH MY WORD MICROSOFT JUST BURNT APPLE:

https://twitter.com/windowsphone/status/344923318551445504

Haha that's great. At least we won't see a lawsuit between MS and Apple :P

[AgnesIO]

Please, most or nearly all of their videos contain the word Apple at the front. Apple changed we looked at apps and the mobile industry when they brought their first phone out. Apple do donate to charity and even more under Tim Cook. Yes the apps they have shown can and do work on other platforms. Advertising is advertising at the end of the day and Apple do a good job at it.

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Haha that's great. At least we won't see a lawsuit between MS and Apple :P

I'll admit I didn't view their other videos, but you simply cannot deny how it looks to someone who doesn't view all of their videos.

I am not denying they are incredible at marketing (hellooo look at my username, inspiration = Steve Jobs). I guess it is more my anger at the unnecessary stockpiling of cash - I mean come on even their own shareholders get angered by it.

[xxMATTGxx]

I'll admit I didn't view their other videos, but you simply cannot deny how it looks to someone who doesn't view all of their videos.

I am not denying they are incredible at marketing (hellooo look at my username, inspiration = Steve Jobs). I guess it is more my anger at the unnecessary stockpiling of cash - I mean come on even their own shareholders get angered by it.

Maybe they want to keep it for a rainy day, I don't know why people get upset over companies sitting on cash they have earned due to the products they sell. Fair enough if it's about the tax crap but leave them to do whatever they want with the money.

[AgnesIO]

Maybe they want to keep it for a rainy day, I don't know why people get upset over companies sitting on cash they have earned due to the products they sell. Fair enough if it's about the tax crap but leave them to do whatever they want with the money.

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#sclient=psy-ab&q=apple%20cash%20pile%20angers%20shareholders&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=98017265bc840e87&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47810305,d.d2k&biw=944&bih=951

I would hate anyone who simply sat on excessive piles of cash that they simply don't need, PARTICULARLY when they make boasts about how much they help people in need. I respect the individuals here for example; http://givingpledge.org/ - those who recognise they don't need the stupid amounts of money to survive. Investment in Africa, for example, could benefit Apple anyway (rise gdp = higher incomes = more products sold in Africa). Mind you, if they did the same in Asia their labour costs would rocket (hey, Foxconn!)

[xxMATTGxx]

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#sclient=psy-ab&q=apple%20cash%20pile%20angers%20shareholders&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=98017265bc840e87&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47810305,d.d2k&biw=944&bih=951

I would hate anyone who simply sat on excessive piles of cash that they simply don't need, PARTICULARLY when they make boasts about how much they help people in need. I respect the individuals here for example; http://givingpledge.org/ - those who recognise they don't need the stupid amounts of money to survive. Investment in Africa, for example, could benefit Apple anyway (rise gdp = higher incomes = more products sold in Africa). Mind you, if they did the same in Asia their labour costs would rocket (hey, Foxconn!)

Well it's not like they don't donate altogether which would be worse.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Apple+donates&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari

[AgnesIO]

Well it's not like they don't donate altogether which would be worse.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Apple+donates&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari

Yes, because Apple has always been a company that likes to think "well we could do worse" - is this not a company that thrives of doing the best they can? The $8m donation to China was not really optional, given the huge anti-Apple coverage over the continued Foxconn incidents - that is CSR.

Apple happens to have the largest cash pile, yet doesn't make it into the top ten when it comes to donating money (or spending it at all, apparently). I am not saying they should give away $150Bn, of course I'm not. Just I don't think a company should be boasting about how it is helping people when in reality, it simply isn't.

[iBlueBox]

I got the feeling that the video was showing how the apps are helping people make a difference, not apple making a difference themselves.

Also, I think Apple is rather charitable as they match employee contributions to charities.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/briancaulfield/2011/09/08/apple-to-match-employees-charitable-contributions/

[AgnesIO]

I got the feeling that the video was showing how the apps are helping people make a difference, not apple making a difference themselves.

Also, I think Apple is rather charitable as they match employee contributions to charities.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/briancaulfield/2011/09/08/apple-to-match-employees-charitable-contributions/

"Quite charitable" - give considerably less than the other two giants (Google and Microsoft), yet are sitting on FAR more cash. Whether people think firms should give to charity or not, one cannot claim they are charitable lol

[peteyt]

I know it's been mentioned a lot but I think some of the stuff with the iOs re-design borrows a lot from others e.g. Android, Windows 8 etc. Obviously a lot of apple fans won't agree though.

[AgnesIO]

I know it's been mentioned a lot but I think some of the stuff with the iOs re-design borrows a lot from others e.g. Android, Windows 8 etc. Obviously a lot of apple fans won't agree though.

It does, but I think it is time people just accepted this is the way to improve things - although I do find it a little ironic given all the patent disputes Apple dishes out!

But they have taken some UI elements, and well, made them better.

[peteyt]

It does, but I think it is time people just accepted this is the way to improve things - although I do find it a little ironic given all the patent disputes Apple dishes out!

But they have taken some UI elements, and well, made them better.

Oh yeah I understand that stealing happens I just find it ironic to about both the patent disputes from Apple even design wise e.g. the bevel of the iPad ha and the fans. It wouldn't surprise me if some fans where stating they had thought of it first years ago but just didn't use it lol

[Jody637]

Bye bye skeuomorphism. It'll be interesting to see how Apple manages this without looking like a Windows Phone / Android rip off.

[today]

Completely agree, there's copying and then there's making it better. I think Apple have subsequently done a mix of both looking at the OS from pictures. One of the bits I loved was about how the Android back swipe actually came from Nokia, so does that make Android the copy? :O Just kidding, it's improvement on innovation.

OH MY WORD MICROSOFT JUST BURNT APPLE:

https://twitter.com/windowsphone/status/344923318551445504
I still prefer how Apple has taken thing's and polished them better then MS or Android


I'll admit I didn't view their other videos, but you simply cannot deny how it looks to someone who doesn't view all of their videos.

I am not denying they are incredible at marketing (hellooo look at my username, inspiration = Steve Jobs). I guess it is more my anger at the unnecessary stockpiling of cash - I mean come on even their own shareholders get angered by it.
You really annoy me to hell.

You do know how many companies don't do anything for charities and earn **** loads too? Go moan about them then moan about Apple, as previously said least they do something.

[mrwoooooooo]

I still prefer how Apple has taken thing's and polished them better then MS or Android

In what way are they better?


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[AgnesIO]

Oh yeah I understand that stealing happens I just find it ironic to about both the patent disputes from Apple even design wise e.g. the bevel of the iPad ha and the fans. It wouldn't surprise me if some fans where stating they had thought of it first years ago but just didn't use it lol

Oh yeah I totally agree, but say it is hypocritical and you are labeled a "fanboy" lol

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I still prefer how Apple has taken thing's and polished them better then MS or Android


You really annoy me to hell.

You do know how many companies don't do anything for charities and earn **** loads too? Go moan about them then moan about Apple, as previously said least they do something.

Thank God our feelings are mutual! :)

Indeed, but in the context of the Consumer Electronics industry, Apple are far behind the big three. Furthermore, Apple are sitting on the LARGEST cash pile. My issue with Apple is that they are doing absolutely nothing with it. This is WWDC (about Apple) and started over a post of an Apple video about making a difference - therefore moaning about Exxon Mobil would be pointless (poor example, as they actually donate huge amounts and still make a great profit :))

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[today]

In what way are they better?


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Just little things like the signal, the battery icon, way Siri is now.


Oh yeah I totally agree, but say it is hypocritical and you are labeled a "fanboy" lol

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Thank God our feelings are mutual! :)

Indeed, but in the context of the Consumer Electronics industry, Apple are far behind the big three. Furthermore, Apple are sitting on the LARGEST cash pile. My issue with Apple is that they are doing absolutely nothing with it. This is WWDC (about Apple) and started over a post of an Apple video about making a difference - therefore moaning about Exxon Mobil would be pointless (poor example, as they actually donate huge amounts and still make a great profit :))

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Honestly, I couldn't care less if Apple donated to poor countries or helped charities out, nor other companies, but something is better then nothing in their eyes and clearly they could do nothing and then you'll throw more of a ***** fit, so just be happy they do something.

[AgnesIO]

Just little things like the signal, the battery icon, way Siri is now.



Honestly, I couldn't care less if Apple donated to poor countries or helped charities out, nor other companies, but something is better then nothing in their eyes and clearly they could do nothing and then you'll throw more of a ***** fit, so just be happy they do something.

I wouldn't mind a company not helping local communities (or overseas aid as you have assumed), I just think it is wrong to needlessly stockpile money for one reason and one reason only; to have the most. That to me is wrong.

Also on the iOS thing, I am not sure Siri is better than Now...i'll wait for a true comparison to decide that. The signal bars.. unsure how they took that from Android or Microsoft, but w/e.

[mrwoooooooo]

Just little things like the signal, the battery icon, way Siri is now.




hahahahahahaha

******* hell you're easily pleased

[Mr-Trainor]

In regards to Siri, it's the one thing on iPhone that always comes to mind when I think of something that could be a lot better. I've used Google's voice search in the Google app and it's so much more accurate, most of the time. I know they've improved the looks of the Siri 'page' and it can do more now, but have they improved the voice recognition and all that? In regards to iOS 7 overall, it's not just the battery icon and the signal (I think I prefer the signal bars tbh) but just the whole redesign makes iOS look a lot more modern, plus it has loads of new features/functions that have the same effect and I personally can't wait to use it for myself :P. But yeah, idk about the signal circles(?) :P.

[AgnesIO]

In regards to Siri, it's the one thing on iPhone that always comes to mind when I think of something that could be a lot better. I've used Google's voice search in the Google app and it's so much more accurate, most of the time. I know they've improved the looks of the Siri 'page' and it can do more now, but have they improved the voice recognition and all that? In regards to iOS 7 overall, it's not just the battery icon and the signal (I think I prefer the signal bars tbh) but just the whole redesign makes iOS look a lot more modern, plus it has loads of new features/functions that have the same effect and I personally can't wait to use it for myself :P. But yeah, idk about the signal circles(?) :P.

Even if Siri is now on par with Now (I cannot confirm this, but I seriously doubt it is better, given the event that I watched), Android 4.3 isn't far off, and Google will just improve it making the lead bigger again. Playing catchup is no fun for anyone haha

[today]

hahahahahahaha

******* hell you're easily pleased

Didn't realise appreciating the UI finer detail was that funny, wow. You're easily pleased.

[GommeInc]

In what way are they better?
Because it's Apple ;) That seems to be the argument for why this is better at the moment.

[xxMATTGxx]

Just enjoy the platform you like, bloody hell!

[peteyt]

Oh yeah I totally agree, but say it is hypocritical and you are labeled a "fanboy" lol

Ha so true. My problem with fanboys evident from a debate about ios, iphone etc. last night with someone is that a lot of fanboys seem to be only able to see the positives. This isn't directed at just Apple but fanboy's in general.

I prefer Android but I don't mind the iphones (although my girlfriend thinks I hate them) however as someone who likes technology I can list both the positives and negatives for both of them. The person I was debating with couldn't accept that iPhones/ios had bugs and stuff and after I showed him a changelog to prove that fixes are often put out he was like I don't care it's the best ha.

It's why I avoid some review sites. I know a few friends who like chris Pirillo but I can't stand the guy because for someone who calls himself a professional software reviewer, he misses all the bad stuff from Apple products but has no trouble finding even the smallest pointless problem with anything else. I know reviewers have their own opinions but some tend to be very careful what they say about their favourite techs, as if by saying something bad they can't call themselves a fan anymore.

[Mark]

Just enjoy the platform you like, bloody hell!

Couldn't agree more

[xxMATTGxx]

iOS 7 Beta 2 has been released.

[Mr-Trainor]

^ and includes the iPad now (previous beta was just the iPhone).

- Voice Memos has returned.

[xxMATTGxx]

^ and includes the iPad now (previous beta was just the iPhone).

- Voice Memos has returned.

Indeed - Some more changes can be seen by going to: http://9to5mac.com/2013/06/24/apple-seeds-ios-7-beta-2-to-developers/

[Chris]

I want to try it on my ipad but I need the jailbreak on it to download youtube videos straight to it. :( I'll probably end up giving in and just downloading it later if I can find a link.

[xxMATTGxx]

iOS 7 Beta 3 has been released!

http://9to5mac.com/2013/07/08/ios-7-beta-3-for-iphone-ipad-ipod-touch-seeded-to-developers/

[Mr-Trainor]

Going by screenshots I've seen, folders don't look so ugly any more :P.

[e5]

Ahh was to be expected :) just installing this now :P

[xxMATTGxx]

iOS 7 Beta 4 has been released.

[Mr-Trainor]

A list of changes can be found here: http://www.macrumors.com/2013/07/29/ios-7-beta-4-tidbits-lockscreen-redesign-notification-center-improvements-and-new-search-options/

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Beta 4 also contains some code which could be used as evidence to suggest that the next iPhone will, as has been rumoured, include a fingerprint sensor in the home button.

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/07/29/ios-7-beta-4-code-points-to-home-button-fingerprint-sensor-for-iphone-5s/

[xxMATTGxx]

Beta 5 has been released!

http://9to5mac.com/2013/08/06/apple-seeds-ios-7-beta-5-to-developers/#more-282067