Boy, 11, fathers child with 36-year-old mother of schoolfriend

[karter]

An 11-year-old boy in New Zealand has fathered a child with the 36-year-old mother of his schoolfriend.

The revelation has prompted sexual abuse counsellors to call for a reform in the country's rape laws after details of the case first emerged when the boy informed the principal at his school, in South Auckland.

The schoolboy and the baby are now both believed to be in care and Justice Minister Judith Collins has said she will look into present legislation which makes it impossible for a woman to be accused of rape.

She said the case raised an 'important point', adding: 'I will seek advice from officials on whether or not a law change is required,' The Weekend Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10890674) has reported.

The current law states only a man can be accused of rape when they force sex. Women who have sex without consent can be charged with sexual violation. Both carry a maximum sentence of 20 years.

Child Youth and Family confirmed it was dealing with a case at the school which was going before the courts.

The paper has reported the boy approached his principal about two-thirds of the way through the 2012 school year.




The contact is understood to have started in April last year when the boy and his friend took a day off school. They spent the day at the friend's home where the woman gave the boy alcohol and took part in a sexual encounter with him.
It is understood the contact lasted for a number of months and the boy had turned 12 by the time the child was born.

A CYF worker, who has since retired, told the paper the agency was involved in the case, adding the police would also be making inquiries, although the woman denied the sexual contact.

Ken Clearwater, manager of Male Survivors of Sexual Abuse, said if the allegations were true the woman should be held accountable, adding the gender-dependent laws should be changed.

Meanwhile, family lawyer Jeremy Sutton said the boy would not have rights to the child unless he was present at birth and that he would have to make a case for access.

MailOnline yesterday reported how an elementary school teacher and mother-of-two, from Southern California, admitted performing sex acts on a student under the age of 14, claiming it was brought on by a manic episode.

Malia Brooks, 32, pleaded guilty on Thursday to three counts of committing lewd acts with a child under 14, despite pleading not guilty the day before.

Under the plea change deal, she'll face up to 12 years in prison instead of a possible 16. Her lawyer is seeking a four-to-six-year sentence.




read here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2342105/Boy-11-fathers-child-36-year-old-mother-schoolfriend-prompting-calls-reform-New-Zealands-rape-laws.html

wow what even...

[Negativities]

Read the first two paragraphs and I was done..

Can't stand reading about how messed up society is all around the world.

[sexpot]

just.. idek

[-:Undertaker:-]

This is the sort of thing you get when you have a society (in this case, western societies in general) who seem to think that morality and right/wrong is simply determined by what you feel is right as opposed to what Christian teachings and culture state what is right and what is wrong.

Another case where its shown that morality isn't a natural occurrance and that it does, whether atheists like it or not, come from religious teachings.

The way trends are going in the west with the decline and trashing of Christianity, expect more of it.

[Zak]

The what the ****?

Seriously?

Lock her up for good. He needs a bloody good smack too!

12 years is nothing! She'll be out in 6 :|

[MKR&*42]

I think it's rather worrying that I'm actually not that shocked by this happening. Yes, it's upsetting and shouldn't happen, but I'm not massively surprised it has.

[FlyingJesus]

12 years for raping an 11 year old, and she'll probably push for child support from him too as there's a precedent of women being able to charge their victims for that already. The world will sweep this under the rug and forget about it by next week because for some reason we love to refuse to believe that men can be raped (never mind that the number of suspected rapes in the prison system of the US alone (http://www.loompanics.com/Articles/RapeInPrison.html) outnumber the total suspected rape figure of women in 65 UN countries (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita)) and especially not by women (because despite 40% of rapists being female (http://www.genderratic.com/p/836/) it isn't legally classified as such for no apparent reason) and somehow silencing the problem is a good enough solution for modern society

[bkps]

This is just sickening, but it's what goes on everyday and this is just a case that people have actually spoken about. 12 my arse, she should get life in prison. Make me sick :l

[Aaron]

Absolutely sickening. :Sick:

[Phil]

Cases like this make me sick! Pretty awful women can't be done for rape!

[Samantha]

That's odd, Take a Break magazine this week has a similar story although different ages and they're both legal. Anyway, basically he was a school boy, or just left and he's now 19 I believe and they're expecting a child, it shows that no matter where in the world you are it is occurring and happening. What could be done to stop it though?

[peteyt]

This is the sort of thing you get when you have a society (in this case, western societies in general) who seem to think that morality and right/wrong is simply determined by what you feel is right as opposed to what Christian teachings and culture state what is right and what is wrong.

Another case where its shown that morality isn't a natural occurrance and that it does, whether atheists like it or not, come from religious teachings.

The way trends are going in the west with the decline and trashing of Christianity, expect more of it.

Really it comes from teaching in general religious or not. I'm an atheist and I think this is wrong but then you don't have to be religious to agree with the basic principles of the 10 commandments minus the god stuff e.g. don't kill, don't steal etc.

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That's odd, Take a Break magazine this week has a similar story although different ages and they're both legal. Anyway, basically he was a school boy, or just left and he's now 19 I believe and they're expecting a child, it shows that no matter where in the world you are it is occurring and happening. What could be done to stop it though?

Technically if he's of legal age nothing can be done to stop it and nothing should be done really. 19 is fair enough because he's at the age to understand everything and be able to make his own decisions (depending on the age the relationship actually began). Yeah it's a bit different and not something I would do but when you compare it to a parent and an 11 year old who probably doesn't know what he's gotten himself into then its very different.

[FlyingJesus]

I'm an atheist and I think this is wrong but then you don't have to be religious to agree with the basic principles of the 10 commandments

I hope you've never in your life disobeyed your parents in any way then, as that is tantamount to murder according to the 10 Commandments

[peteyt]

I hope you've never in your life disobeyed your parents in any way then, as that is tantamount to murder according to the 10 Commandments

Who hasn't disobeyed their parent. I follow the general jist. I keep away from trouble, try to be nice all the time and so on. It's all about upbringings really most of the time

[Rectitudinous]

That is absolutely disgusting. I'm so done with everything in the world -.-

[-:Undertaker:-]

Really it comes from teaching in general religious or not. I'm an atheist and I think this is wrong but then you don't have to be religious to agree with the basic principles of the 10 commandments minus the god stuff e.g. don't kill, don't steal etc.

I agree, that's my point - although many in the west call themselves atheists, they aren't truly atheist because we're still following basic Christian teachings on morality. The problem is, and the problem I see with things like this arising, is that the more Christian morals that are overturned the more fluid general morality becomes and we're then led to a dangerous place - especially involving children.

[Inseriousity.]

Which Christian moral teaching has been overturned here then? Are you just trying to shoehorn your 'not as good as it was since the 60s ruined everything' worldview in because I don't see how it's relevant here? All I see is a woman has abused and exploited a young child, which is just one of those sad things in both our and past societies that the majority of people condemn, whether they're religious or not.

[FlyingJesus]

I agree, that's my point - although many in the west call themselves atheists, they aren't truly atheist because we're still following basic Christian teachings on morality.

Do you know what the word atheist means because it definitely has nothing to do with morality

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[GommeInc]

Hmm, seems strange of New Zealand to have such an out-dated law. It's strange, because their views on equality would of made you think this story was false, yet this story proves their rape legislation is pretty out of date.

[FlyingJesus]

Out of date when put to any logical thought process, but sadly not to law. Germany is the only country I know of where a woman can actually be charged with rape rather than the "lesser" offence of sexual assault, and it's just ridiculous

[AgnesIO]

I agree, that's my point - although many in the west call themselves atheists, they aren't truly atheist because we're still following basic Christian teachings on morality. The problem is, and the problem I see with things like this arising, is that the more Christian morals that are overturned the more fluid general morality becomes and we're then led to a dangerous place - especially involving children.

What rules are we talking about here? For example, I don't think any religions permit stealing (Muhammad, for example, wanted peoples hands cut off for it!).

[Daltron]

that is so strange :/

[Samantha.]

This is awful!!

[-:Undertaker:-]

What rules are we talking about here? For example, I don't think any religions permit stealing (Muhammad, for example, wanted peoples hands cut off for it!).

Moral points, such as the view of the traditional family and other sexual practices. My point is simply that when you shake a set of cultural values around too much - certain taboos such as this also risk becoming 'normalised' even when they should not be. But of course arguing they shouldn't be normalised becomes weakend by the fact that because other values in that religious culture have been eroded so fast, nobody pays attention to objections coming from that area anymore. I just give the example of how Church values have been eroded over the past 50 or so years.

Basically, erode the foundations of something - and the whole house will cave in.

[peteyt]

I agree, that's my point - although many in the west call themselves atheists, they aren't truly atheist because we're still following basic Christian teachings on morality. The problem is, and the problem I see with things like this arising, is that the more Christian morals that are overturned the more fluid general morality becomes and we're then led to a dangerous place - especially involving children.

I still think that I'm an atheist. Surely before the 10 commandments there were people who followed a good life morally. As people have mentioned morality and religion don't always have to go together. You only have to look at some catholic priests who apparently are religious yet they have sex with underage kids often without consent. Not to mention the kids are usually boys, when according to the church god is against gays.

My point is that sometimes atheists break less rules than actual religious key people so I think the problem here isn't really on religion but just general upbringing. My family isn't religious (although I was christened) but I was taught what was right and wrong and they also set by example.