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[FlyingJesus]

HERE ARE MY WORDS ABOUT THE STATE OF HX DEPARTMENTS. MANAGERS SORT IT OUT.



Comps
8 staff members, 10 active comps. Too many people for a job that essentially requires you to copy and paste an idea out of the suggestions thread and then look back on it for 5 minutes a month later

HxL
Can't comment on all but definitely needs more community to it rather than just being a stream of the same 5 songs and then if you're lucky a minute or two of the DJ talking about some in-joke they and their friends have. More shows like Calum's agony aunt one with interaction are needed


Events
Still a complete mess in terms of supposedly being at the forefront of the community efforts. Almost always have 1/3 the number of people that HFFM have, and rarely see hosts actually talk to the contestants other than a scripted welcome line and a few instructions. Absolutely minimal advertising of HxL and HxF during events by the hosts, usually limited to a quick line saying to check out the sites but no explanations or actual attempts to connect with anyone other than their friends. Keep seeing promises of change and discipline but I guess that'll come with V7...


Forum
Not much happening right now, some questionable moderator actions especially with newer ones but not really a lot to complain about. Would be nice to see more on-forum festivities since it's the anniversary and all that - there are some comps going on but only a couple that are actually relevant (not sure why funny missions comes under Habbox Birthday) but this is a prime time to really do something explosive and there just seems to be no energy


HxHD
Well at least the grass patches and forest walls are gone


Wiki
Badly formatted, badly written, alright layout, still not really certain what the point of it is


News
As above pretty much, with the added frustration of not having the forum integration that it so desperately needs and was supposedly given the go-ahead nearly 3 months ago. Just do it it's really really easy


Graphics
Why is this still a department even


RV
Honestly don't know anything about this one so gonna leave it alone but those of you in the know feel free to comment obv


Content
V7 had better be life changing

[Kardan]

For rare values, one thing that annoys me is that half of the values are just '0 credits'...

[Kasabian]

Graphics
Why is this still a department even

hahahahaha

is v7 ever going to come out

[e5]

Wiki
Badly formatted, badly written, alright layout, still not really certain what the point of it is



HabboxWiki is dedicated to bringing you the most accurate information about the world of Sulake's Habbo Hotel - search anything Habbo related in the search bar, and we will more than likely have a whole page of information on it!

The HabboxWiki project was opened in early 2012 to help offer the largest, most accurate collection of Habbo guides around. We currently have a wide range of guides all about Habbo, from furni to hotel staff! Why not try searching for a page in the search bar above? We will more than likely have a full page of information on your chosen subject.

hope this clears that bit up

also if you think it's badly written, you're welcome to go and edit the pages and correct anything you feel is badly written.

[Kardan]

hope this clears that bit up

also if you think it's badly written, you're welcome to go and edit the pages and correct anything you feel is badly written.

Am I the only one that gets annoyed by this response? It seems that's the only thing that gets said whenever the Wiki gets some criticism :P

[Kasabian]

also if you think it's badly written, you're welcome to go and edit the pages and correct anything you feel is badly written.

All well and good saying that, but what if someone doesn't approve it

[e5]

Only one I could pick something to reply to, which had an answer and was something I worked on.

I also disagree with the fact that news is badly written, because it's not.

Also, don't know which new mods he's talking about - perhaps could be myself..

i don't really see any constructive critisism in this thread, more a dig at each department :S
Am I the only one that gets annoyed by this response? It seems that's the only thing that gets said whenever the Wiki gets some criticism :P



All well and good saying that, but what if someone doesn't approve it

If it's true and well-written then there's no reason why it wouldn't be approved...

[FlyingJesus]

I also disagree with the fact that news is badly written, because it's not.

Ok that is not a reason lol


Also, don't know which new mods he's talking about - perhaps could be myself..

It wasn't but glad to see that you're not willing to take criticism if it did come your way


i don't really see any constructive critisism in this thread, more a dig at each department :S

Then I suggest actually reading the post since there is a hell of a lot of constructive criticism and ideas on how to improve in a range of areas

[myles]

to be honest no one gives a crap they wont listen stop trying x

[e5]

Ok that is not a reason lol



It wasn't but glad to see that you're not willing to take criticism if it did come your way



Then I suggest actually reading the post since there is a hell of a lot of constructive criticism and ideas on how to improve in a range of areas


More shows like Calum's agony aunt one with interaction are needed
is pretty much the only suggestion you made as to your opinion on improving a department...


It wasn't but glad to see that you're not willing to take criticism if it did come your way
Why, from my post, am I not willing to take any criticism? Criticise me all you like, but tell me what you want me to do to improve ;). Hell, you can just criticise me if you want, it won't offend me but I still get the right to defend myself :P

[Samantha]

For rare values, one thing that annoys me is that half of the values are just '0 credits'...

Like what? If there hasn't been a trade of an item we can't just pluck a value out of thin air, also those that are just added don't have a value either. If you could tell me some that would be great as that's annoying for me too!

[FlyingJesus]

In comps it's quite clearly implied that I think there needs to either be less staff present or more comps active at one time. HxL as you pointed out I said there need to be more community driven shows. Events I explicitly note the lack of any interaction or advertising, which is obviously a suggestion for more of such. Forum I said that it would be good to see something big going off that the department could get together on. Wiki it's implied that the writing needs looking into. News the same plus a very clear note that forum integration is necessary and long overdue.

You're right, totes no suggestions going on at all. And it's your NO NOT TRUE GO AWAY attitude that shows your inability to take criticism - constructive or otherwise

[Samantha]

In comps it's quite clearly implied that I think there needs to either be less staff present or more comps active at one time. HxL as you pointed out I said there need to be more community driven shows. Events I explicitly note the lack of any interaction or advertising, which is obviously a suggestion for more of such. Forum I said that it would be good to see something big going off that the department could get together on. Wiki it's implied that the writing needs looking into. News the same plus a very clear note that forum integration is necessary and long overdue.

You're right, totes no suggestions going on at all. And it's your NO NOT TRUE GO AWAY attitude that shows your inability to take criticism - constructive or otherwise

Just wondering here, but what suggestion thread is there for Competitions?

[e5]

In comps it's quite clearly implied that I think there needs to either be less staff present or more comps active at one time. HxL as you pointed out I said there need to be more community driven shows. Events I explicitly note the lack of any interaction or advertising, which is obviously a suggestion for more of such. Forum I said that it would be good to see something big going off that the department could get together on. Wiki it's implied that the writing needs looking into. News the same plus a very clear note that forum integration is necessary and long overdue.

You're right, totes no suggestions going on at all. And it's your NO NOT TRUE GO AWAY attitude that shows your inability to take criticism - constructive or otherwise

It seems all your suggestions are more or less 'implied' rather than stated. Literally saying things like "why does this department still exist" type thing is not constructive, there's no point giving opinions on departments where you've nothing to offer any ideas to.

I'm not saying any of your points are untrue, I even pretty much suggested the moderator comment was about me and didn't dismiss it, I left it open for you to reply to, which you did do and said it wasn't me, but I was happy for it to be, to see what you thought I was doing wrong :).

I didn't say the HxL was the only one, but it was more or less the only half constructive post.

[FlyingJesus]

I was told some moons back that comps staff would write a bunch of comp ideas all in one go and then when they were due to post one could just take a relevant one from the list and edit the date etc. May not be the case these days (although tbh wouldn't be a terrible idea) but even so it seems ridiculous that there seem to be on average 2 comps per staff member a month, and that's on a good month

[Daltron]

Events
Still a complete mess in terms of supposedly being at the forefront of the community efforts. Almost always have 1/3 the number of people that HFFM have, and rarely see hosts actually talk to the contestants other than a scripted welcome line and a few instructions. Absolutely minimal advertising of HxL and HxF during events by the hosts, usually limited to a quick line saying to check out the sites but no explanations or actual attempts to connect with anyone other than their friends. Keep seeing promises of change and discipline but I guess that'll come with V7...


I can't agree more with this! I always try to participate in the events to win some rep and prizes and have a go but I always feel like I am not 'in' with any of the staff members who run them and it's always a mess so I just leave because no one is communicating with me properly lol.

[Samantha]

I was told some moons back that comps staff would write a bunch of comp ideas all in one go and then when they were due to post one could just take a relevant one from the list and edit the date etc. May not be the case these days (although tbh wouldn't be a terrible idea) but even so it seems ridiculous that there seem to be on average 2 comps per staff member a month, and that's on a good month

We don't have that anymore I don't think, also 2 competitions? We have 4-6 per month depending on how many are in the department.

[Kardan]

Like what? If there hasn't been a trade of an item we can't just pluck a value out of thin air, also those that are just added don't have a value either. If you could tell me some that would be great as that's annoying for me too!

Well shouldn't furniture that hasn't/can't be traded have a value other than 0, because 0 suggests it's worthless rather than priceless.

[e5]

Staff will be given their minimum to reach, which could be 2 a month and thats what they'll stick at. I don't agree with that at all, and I do suggest asking comps staff to do some more, because it does look to be lacking. Even though staff should aim to go above their minimum...

[Samantha]

Sometimes I find that the event hosts are too focuses on their friends thus miss what they're doing in the game, it's actually a regular occurrence. I've noticed it more in dice games though as they don't know if they've rolled or not anymore :rolleyes:.

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Well shouldn't furniture that hasn't/can't be traded have a value other than 0, because 0 suggests it's worthless rather than priceless.

Unless Chippiewill; changes it then it's impossible on the current system as I tried 'N/A' the other day and it still just displays it as 0. It would work well for untradeable items though as well :P.

[Inseriousity.]

Comps
That comment is proof you don't really have any idea what you're talking about with this department. There are 40+ comps a month with no copying and pasting from a suggestions thread.

HxL
I agree. We're looking at ways to improve interaction and I think the unique selling point of HabboxLive is that you can speak and use a number of different ideas to use that. This is why we hosted our Habbox Awards on HabboxLive and try to push the boat with new ideas around this theme (the recent murder mystery uses it). These are one-off things though so we want more permanent shows like the Agony Aunt, which is what HxL management are working on.

Events
Constantly emphasising the importance of talking to the community rather than sticking to friends. As we don't PM members of the community when we discipline staff, that might explain why it looks like we're making empty promises.

Forum
Forum's recently done a balloon hunt, a Habbox history quiz and other things to celebrate Habbox's anniversary. The competition you're refering to is relevant because it's a recurring competition from Habbox's history (more information can be found here (http://www.habboxwiki.com/Habbox_Competitions) - on a wiki page that is nicely written and formatted because a member followed e5's advice).

HxHD
We're bringing them back just for you :D

Graphics
Because it needs to be. Graphics do a lot of work for Habbox and just because the amount of workload can vary from time to time, it needs a manager there to make sure that the staff are putting the effort in so that our graphics are the best they can be.

[Kardan]

Sometimes I find that the event hosts are too focuses on their friends thus miss what they're doing in the game, it's actually a regular occurrence. I've noticed it more in dice games though as they don't know if they've rolled or not anymore :rolleyes:.

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Unless Chippiewill; changes it then it's impossible on the current system as I tried 'N/A' the other day and it still just displays it as 0. It would work well for untradeable items though as well :P.

Why are untradeable items even on rare values?

[FlyingJesus]

It seems all your suggestions are more or less 'implied' rather than stated.

It really isn't difficult at all to understand an implied suggestion from the very simple wording of the statements, but sorry if it went over your head because it wasn't engraved in stone.


Literally saying things like "why does this department still exist" type thing is not constructive, there's no point giving opinions on departments where you've nothing to offer any ideas to.

If I'm questioning the existence of a department then clearly I believe it to be unnecessary. Removal is also constructive criticism.


I didn't say the HxL was the only one, but it was more or less the only half constructive post.

"More or less" as in "not at all", as my reply quite obviously showed... I'm not sure why you're so unwilling to read what's been put and instead insist on trying to tell me that I'm not giving suggestions in places where I clearly am, and if you can't see the value in closer integration between supposed "community" staff and the community they choose to represent (which is what most of my points are about) then it's a damned good thing you aren't involved in those departments

[Samantha]

Why are untradeable items even on rare values?

Some could have been tradable then changed, we can't literally delete items just take them off being visible, also with untradeable items it's also really so that if someone wants an item, they can always check on Habbox to see if it is tradable. Likewise if it's available, what kind of item it is etc.

[Kardan]

Some could have been tradable then changed, we can't literally delete items just take them off being visible, also with untradeable items it's also really so that if someone wants an item, they can always check on Habbox to see if it is tradable. Likewise if it's available, what kind of item it is etc.

Slight issue with it though, Habbox don't show if an item is untradeable. So defeats the whole purpose of showing untradeable items.

[FlyingJesus]

We don't have that anymore I don't think, also 2 competitions? We have 4-6 per month depending on how many are in the department.


Comps
That comment is proof you don't really have any idea what you're talking about with this department. There are 40+ comps a month with no copying and pasting from a suggestions thread.

I'll accept that I'm wrong on that point then, but still 4-6 posts a month while other departments spend hours and hours every week seems very minimal for what could be a really pivotal department


Events
Constantly emphasising the importance of talking to the community rather than sticking to friends. As we don't PM members of the community when we discipline staff, that might explain why it looks like we're making empty promises.

Obviously staff PMs shouldn't be public but it's more the fact that nothing changes in any way and hasn't for months despite constant discussion about it that makes it look like nothing's being done about it

[MKR&*42]

Slight issue with it though, Habbox don't show if an item is untradeable. So defeats the whole purpose of showing untradeable items.

What do you mean? There is an untradeable tag on an item if it isn't tradeable.

[Samantha]

Slight issue with it though, Habbox don't show if an item is untradeable. So defeats the whole purpose of showing untradeable items.

http://snag.gy/HHaUY.jpg
Untradeable, clicking on the item will also tell you this.

http://snag.gy/SkBQM.jpg
Tradable.

[Kardan]

What do you mean? There is an untradeable tag on an item if it isn't tradeable.

Well, it would be nice if every item had a tag then, wouldn't it.

Trax section for example, trax 'discs' are tradeable, trax machines are not. Habbox doesn't tell you either of these things.

Secondly, what's the point of release dates of furniture? Because I'm pretty sure the Throne wasn't released in 2010...

[e5]

It really isn't difficult at all to understand an implied suggestion from the very simple wording of the statements, but sorry if it went over your head because it wasn't engraved in stone.



If I'm questioning the existence of a department then clearly I believe it to be unnecessary. Removal is also constructive criticism.



"More or less" as in "not at all", as my reply quite obviously showed... I'm not sure why you're so unwilling to read what's been put and instead insist on trying to tell me that I'm not giving suggestions in places where I clearly am, and if you can't see the value in closer integration between supposed "community" staff and the community they choose to represent (which is what most of my points are about) then it's a damned good thing you aren't involved in those departments

The best way to get things changed on Habbox is to suggest actual ideas rather than just implying ideas and not being very clear, it seems a bit lazy and just seemed to be a dig at departments, to me. I'm not disagreeing with you in terms of some of the points you've made either. If I knew more about departments, I could say more, but I only know about News, Wiki and Moderation really, all of which you haven't really offered any ideas to apart from you said do some events within moderation or whatever; when we have just done the balloon search on the forum and do regularly do things on the forum when occasions arise, not to mention the member of the month award which promotes people posting decent stuff.

[MKR&*42]

Well, it would be nice if every item had a tag then, wouldn't it.

Trax section for example, trax 'discs' are tradeable, trax machines are not. Habbox doesn't tell you either of these things.

Secondly, what's the point of release dates of furniture? Because I'm pretty sure the Throne wasn't released in 2010...

We are getting through all the tags, they have been changed (don't assume no-one is doing anything about them) Trax, Romantique and one or two other categories are the final ones to go. Every other item will tell you if it is tradeable or not =/= "useless having them there".

[Samantha]

Well, it would be nice if every item had a tag then, wouldn't it.

Trax section for example, trax 'discs' are tradeable, trax machines are not. Habbox doesn't tell you either of these things.

Secondly, what's the point of release dates of furniture? Because I'm pretty sure the Throne wasn't released in 2010...

Sigh, ask HotelUser; why we have release date on. The release date is based on when it's added to the site, that's why some appear bizarrely incorrect. At the moment, usually if we find an item that has been released we do try get it on the site the day it comes out, but that's a coding flaw that's been there since that system was in place.

Also tags are being done as Intersocial; pointed out and they get done as soon as possible, but there are only a handful of staff in the department with access to do so.

[Kardan]

We are getting through all the tags, they have been changed (don't assume no-one is doing anything about them) Trax, Romantique and one or two other categories are the final ones to go. Every other item will tell you if it is tradeable or not =/= "useless having them there".

I do consider having items that have never been released, never been seen on the hotel, being in the rare values section with '0 credits' as pointless.

[FlyingJesus]

If I knew more about departments, I could say more, but I only know about News, Wiki and Moderation really, all of which you haven't really offered any ideas to apart from you said do some events within moderation or whatever

Oh wow are you genuinely this dense or just trying to be obtuse? News is the one that I had the biggest suggestion for; one that I put forward months ago and was discussed and agreed upon by management and still hasn't been implemented. Your lack of knowledge and/or comprehension does not mean that these suggestions don't exist, and that should be particularly apparent since they're POSTED AT THE START OF THE THREAD FOR ALL TO SEE

[MKR&*42]

I do consider having items that have never been released, never been seen on the hotel, being in the rare values section with '0 credits' as pointless.

It doubles up as a furniture archive. If you consider it pointless, then fine. But no-one is going to remove the items as they have never been of any major issue at all until you mentioned it in this thread.

Release date and price are glitched to the first price and the year they were uploaded, was never fixed by HotelUser. I don't know if it will appear on v7 Chippiewill;

[Samantha]

I do consider having items that have never been released, never been seen on the hotel, being in the rare values section with '0 credits' as pointless.

We don't have that many items on the site that have never been released - usually they have at least been spotted.

Also, with Competitions, I often do mine early or so in the month then I haven't got much to do for the rest of it, yet I still do work behind the scenes; I would love to do more competitions, but I've never known if I'm allowed. I even offered to do a couple of extra after Skandair was fired yet I was ignored/not told if I could.

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Oh wow are you genuinely this dense or just trying to be obtuse? News is the one that I had the biggest suggestion for; one that I put forward months ago and was discussed and agreed upon by management and still hasn't been implemented. Your lack of knowledge and/or comprehension does not mean that these suggestions don't exist, and that should be particularly apparent since they're POSTED AT THE START OF THE THREAD FOR ALL TO SEE

I remember you suggesting it about news, however, I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Kardan]

We don't have that many items on the site that have never been released - usually they have at least been spotted.

Also, with Competitions, I often do mine early or so in the month then I haven't got much to do for the rest of it, yet I still do work behind the scenes; I would love to do more competitions, but I've never known if I'm allowed. I even offered to do a couple of extra after Skandair was fired yet I was ignored/not told if I could.

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I remember you suggesting it about news, however, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Then how come Habbox put on furniture that has just been discovered, that hasn't even seen light on the hotel yet? :P

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=781182

And Sam, why aren't you allowed to just post competitions whenever you want? It seems a bit crap that you have to ask to do more competitions...

[Sho]

Also, with Competitions, I often do mine early or so in the month then I haven't got much to do for the rest of it, yet I still do work behind the scenes; I would love to do more competitions, but I've never known if I'm allowed. I even offered to do a couple of extra after Skandair was fired yet I was ignored/not told if I could.

I assume you asked Ryan about this since this is the first I've heard of it. Great idea though, I'd been thinking of starting to ask people if they were willing to do some extras if someone resigns or something since it's much better than just not releasing anything :).

[e5]

Oh wow are you genuinely this dense or just trying to be obtuse? News is the one that I had the biggest suggestion for; one that I put forward months ago and was discussed and agreed upon by management and still hasn't been implemented. Your lack of knowledge and/or comprehension does not mean that these suggestions don't exist, and that should be particularly apparent since they're POSTED AT THE START OF THE THREAD FOR ALL TO SEE


Wiki
Badly formatted, badly written, alright layout, still not really certain what the point of it is


News
As above pretty much, with the added frustration of not having the forum integration that it so desperately needs and was supposedly given the go-ahead nearly 3 months ago. Just do it it's really really easy


Yeah... that was a massive suggestion, okay.....

News is it's own department and I don't see a reason for that to be intergrated with anything, which is my view - obviously different to yours.
I still haven't said you didn't suggest anything, just not in every department. I just couldn't be bothered to go through every one you wrote, but I did read them all. I am probably am being obtuse aswell, as I like to inflict a bit of heated discussion to get some proper replies :P You've suggested more as you've posted, so I've probably achieved was I was aiming for.

[FlyingJesus]

I haven't suggested anything more since the first post actually, just repeated myself because you don't seem to like reading things the first time through. You are also wildly off the mark with your definition of integration but since you aren't the manager who agreed to it that can't be helped I guess, was really putting that out to remind Inkwell; that it's been months since agreeing to the change. The suggestion in full (or close to) is seen in the discussion here (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=7865191#post7865191) and here (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=774133&p=7866151#post7866151) and was also written out in the news feedback that we had way back when, but as we're at Habbox it seems that delaying and ignoring things is the name of the game. Maybe it's difficult to effectively manage your department when you're trying to hold up a false identity idk

[e5]

Not actually clued up on those threads, and I cba to read it. I am assuming you mean integration onto the forum though?

[FlyingJesus]

cba to read it (I think this is the official Habbox staff view on most feedback) but asking me to write it all out for you...

Essentially it just requires that news/articles that go on the site be posted as threads, and then the main text - or a headline and small summary if not - be put on the main site with the clickthrough "read more/comment" type link sending people to the thread. That way more people will see the story as it'll be viewed by forum members as well as the 5 people who read them on the site (who will then actually be part of the community and not just passers-by), and there is also the opportunity for proper discussion of the story which doesn't tend to happen on the site. Staff would only need to do the same as usual in terms of actual writing, it's just 5 seconds difference pasting it into a thread first before the main site article is placed with the link

[e5]

Yeah, basically what I said without needing to read your posts. It is 1am, I am tired so I don't have to go reading through posts/threads i I don't want to :P
I agree, another forum does this... Are you saying that full news report should be posted on the forum? Or part news report then a read more/comment link that links to the article on the Habbox website?


cba to read it (I think this is the official Habbox staff view on most feedback) but asking me to write it all out for you...

Essentially it just requires that news/articles that go on the site be posted as threads, and then the main text - or a headline and small summary if not - be put on the main site with the clickthrough "read more/comment" type link sending people to the thread. That way more people will see the story as it'll be viewed by forum members as well as the 5 people who read them on the site (who will then actually be part of the community and not just passers-by), and there is also the opportunity for proper discussion of the story which doesn't tend to happen on the site. Staff would only need to do the same as usual in terms of actual writing, it's just 5 seconds difference pasting it into a thread first before the main site article is placed with the link

[sex]

when i mentiond how crap some peoples events are *REMOVED* whatever in terms of number of users showing up (his events dont start till 30minutes in usually why the hell is he staff, there is obviously something he is doing wrong...
i filled up his event for him with one invite the other night and he then went on a powertrip because he has never seen so many people inside his room before.

but seriously the events are dead. my sig a while back was hx rooms vs hffm rooms and its like that always? does the events management change anything? nope the assistant manager gets a screenie on th one of chance where a habbox event has 30 people lol. maybe instead of taking screenies you could advertise could be improved help them improve!

same with rooms. people see ugly habbox rooms and thing priz is pixel furni!!!!!!!!!!!!


MY EVENTS AND ROOMS WHERE TH BEST IM SORRY BUT I REMEMBER ALWAYS GETTING 40+ in my rooms because i cared lol

Edited by e5 (Forum Moderator) - Please don't post names of people where it could cause an argument or be seen as targeting a user.

[FlyingJesus]

First game of current event just started at 20 past, last event was the same host and didn't once mention Habbox even when asked what rep was. Not heard him say it yet this event either, even at the start it was just "ok were starting". Complaints near enough every day and we get told that things are happening, just behind the scenes - somewhat redundant when it has no effect whatsoever on the state of affairs

[MKR&*42]

First game of current event just started at 20 past, last event was the same host and didn't once mention Habbox even when asked what rep was. Not heard him say it yet this event either, even at the start it was just "ok were starting". Complaints near enough every day and we get told that things are happening, just behind the scenes - somewhat redundant when it has no effect whatsoever on the state of affairs

Will probably get slated by every events person for saying this, but nothing is happening at all. Events is doing so poorly because most (no, not all) people are not trying hard enough. I complained massively a few weeks ago about how events need to be varied and not the same old "bingo, ff, fridge game, don't roll a 6" every bleeding day and minus one occasion where the only useful senior+ removed 3 bingo games (there were 3/4 booked to be held over the course of 6 hours.....), variation is rarely reached ever.

I know you think that every EO doesn't advertise Tom, but some actually do :P Jade was hosting a lot in her events earlier, .Cymru. advertises also and I advertise to people waiting in line (not sure about other EOs but some def. not). However, I do agree a large amount of them don't advertise or remotely try and encourage people to join the forum or interact with them (no way.. talking to people and encouraging them to use Habbox services?????? :OOOO).

Won't "backstab" too much, but it doesn't help when 3 out of 4 members of senior/management barely communicate.

[sex]

First game of current event just started at 20 past, last event was the same host and didn't once mention Habbox even when asked what rep was. Not heard him say it yet this event either, even at the start it was just "ok were starting". Complaints near enough every day and we get told that things are happening, just behind the scenes - somewhat redundant when it has no effect whatsoever on the state of affairs
Is this the host that said Hffm twice before habbox the other night lol!

[FlyingJesus]

Will probably get slated by every events person for saying this, but nothing is happening at all. Events is doing so poorly because most (no, not all) people are not trying hard enough. I complained massively a few weeks ago about how events need to be varied and not the same old "bingo, ff, fridge game, don't roll a 6" every bleeding day and minus one occasion where the only useful senior+ removed 3 bingo games (there were 3/4 booked to be held over the course of 6 hours.....), variation is rarely reached ever.

I know you think that every EO doesn't advertise Tom, but some actually do :P Jade was hosting a lot in her events earlier, .Cymru. advertises also and I advertise to people waiting in line (not sure about other EOs but some def. not). However, I do agree a large amount of them don't advertise or remotely try and encourage people to join the forum or interact with them (no way.. talking to people and encouraging them to use Habbox services?????? :OOOO).

Won't "backstab" too much, but it doesn't help when 3 out of 4 members of senior/management barely communicate.

Yeah I know it's not all of the events staff who are guilty, it's just that those who don't pull their (impressively large) weight bring down the whole department, especially when they're hosting 4 games a night or whatever and using none of that time at all to do anything other than boost room visitor badges or whatever :P fire everyone, put me as community agm and I'll rehire the decent ones even if I don't like them and leave the crap ones even if I do because that's how management is supposed to work


Is this the host that said Hffm twice before habbox the other night lol!

Yeah lmao and still hasn't said it yet tonight. Had an impressively full room earlier and made no use of it whatsoever. Seems to be afk half the time lol

[Foregetfuhl]

To be honest I do think it is a lack of effort from the majority of people. If you go in and you put in the work you get results and you get people coming to events or tuning into the radio. Recently DJs have been putting more effort in and this week the radio has been up for 158 hours out of 168. They really have pushed and quality is slowing being pushed to improve as well. Its one of them things now that we have a well structured department we can make the necessary changes. We are currently sorting out weekly shows and approaching people who we feel can do them to help the community side as well as doing events/hxstarz and what ever else we can based on giveaways/win a rooms etc. Listeners have improved, by no means where I feel they should be but they have improved. It is a matter of pushing and continuously putting in hard work to get what we want.

Like Hayden said we do advertise as much as possible. But a certain amount of people don't do that unfortunately and it is really disheartening. I try to do as much as I can for events and my event from tonight shows if you go in you can get not only the numbers but a great community feel as well. I just think that people need to work on providing 1) a great community event which is entertaining/fast-paced 2) rooms that don't look like something chucked up in a bucket and ultimately 3) just a damn good event. I think more needs to come to allow for this though I genuinely do. And I'm going to keep saying this but events as well as HxL needs a better international side who are willing to work and provide a great support for this!

[e5]

I was in a Habbox Live room today, think it was a giveaway and every 5 seconds a user was advertising Habbox, which was good to see.

[FlyingJesus]

Now in the event he's sitting afk not running the game, not speaking to anyone, and totally ignoring the fact that there's someone in the room being abusive to literally everyone present - because the person in question is his friend. He even gave a smile when it was requested that he do something about it. He's been afk for about 20 minutes now in his own event

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And then when someone told him not to be useless he warned them lol

[nvrspk4]

I like the intent of the original post but it might be more productive to break the post into smaller segments with fuller explanations/more backing. It's more likely to get a full discussion that way, and this way each page of posts doesn't look like a game of Whack-a-Mole as each person tackles a different department.

Just a suggestion :)

[FlyingJesus]

I like the intent of the original post but it might be more productive to break the post into smaller segments with fuller explanations/more backing. It's more likely to get a full discussion that way, and this way each page of posts doesn't look like a game of Whack-a-Mole as each person tackles a different department.

Just a suggestion :)

I was going to go into more detail with each but since the only response from management I've had so far is essentially "no it's great" I don't imagine they'd do anything more for a bigger post :P I had assumed that it was just individual staff being the problem in most departments but seems like managers this generation just don't care enough to get anything done

[ihatehash]

Now in the event he's sitting afk not running the game, not speaking to anyone, and totally ignoring the fact that there's someone in the room being abusive to literally everyone present - because the person in question is his friend. He even gave a smile when it was requested that he do something about it. He's been afk for about 20 minutes now in his own event

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And then when someone told him not to be useless he warned them lol

Just regarding that, I agree he needed to try have a bit more control over his event however there were 4-6 other staff members there who also could have jumped in and tried to control the situation (including a manager who was there) but instead they were just continuing to stir **** and making the whole event look like chaos. Also I thought it was rude and unprofessional that all the staff members (including the manager again) started to pick on the event host out loud in public rather than deal with the issue privately and talk to the staff member nicely.

[FlyingJesus]

None of them had rights at that point, and the host's behaviour was far more embarrassing than those chiding him for it tbh. That said it doesn't seem like you're talking about the current event since the manager wasn't there...

[ihatehash]

None of them had rights at that point, and the host's behaviour was far more embarrassing than those chiding him for it tbh. That said it doesn't seem like you're talking about the current event since the manager wasn't there...
I was, sorry I meant 'a manager' not necessarily the events manager. However I am sure being a manager that they would be able to show some sort of professionalism about the situation or at least try to have some control.

[Absently]

(not really read the whole thread but OP and a few pages here and there) but I agree completely with Daltron on the thing about people staying in their little groups. I don't really spend a lot of time going to events anymore, mainly because the games are so boring that I really can't be bothered to go, but I decided earlier to step out of the desk and go play. The first event was fine, because I really wasn't paying too much attention, but I later attended a second event and I just have never felt so unwelcome. I know that I would be friendly with a lot of people in the department, but there just doesn't seem to be much of a friendly factor and trying to get to know people. In the Help Desk I know that myself and some other members of staff immediately welcome a new member into the room and just try to be generally friendly. I do understand though that the Help Desk itself isn't exactly as popular as some of the events, but I think it would be great to just try to get users more so involved than just going ''kk no how to play??/ ok go'' the end. *it's late and i'm sorry if i don't make much sense*

[ihatehash]

(not really read the whole thread but OP and a few pages here and there) but I agree completely with Daltron on the thing about people staying in their little groups. I don't really spend a lot of time going to events anymore, mainly because the games are so boring that I really can't be bothered to go, but I decided earlier to step out of the desk and go play. The first event was fine, because I really wasn't paying too much attention, but I later attended a second event and I just have never felt so unwelcome. I know that I would be friendly with a lot of people in the department, but there just doesn't seem to be much of a friendly factor and trying to get to know people. In the Help Desk I know that myself and some other members of staff immediately welcome a new member into the room and just try to be generally friendly. I do understand though that the Help Desk itself isn't exactly as popular as some of the events, but I think it would be great to just try to get users more so involved than just going ''kk no how to play??/ ok go'' the end. *it's late and i'm sorry if i don't make much sense*
I 100% agree. This is one of the first times I have attended an event since I left the events department in 2011 and There was no welcome, and I wasnt even sure if there was an event running. Obviously a large part of the blame needs to be placed on the host but also I felt the other staff members who were there seemed so exclusive and elitist. I tried to talk to heaps of people and not a single person even responded or noticed me. It was not a very warm and welcoming situation.

[Aiden]

i dont think theres anything wrong with comps... its probs the easiest department but there not allowed to copy ideas... there not even allowed to use an idea that is similar to one posted in the last 3 months but yeaaaa...

i agree with all the others tho (y)

get rid of wiki, wikia one is better

[Reality]

e5; FlyingJesus; not gonna lie I do agree with most of what FlyingJ has said HabboxLive really does need more in-client interaction and more forum commitment I know Foregetfuhl; is working on this with the current DJs she has as when I left I felt in client was getting better, however it has slipped and you hardly see any of the DJs on client and doing competitions unless they are a head DJ having to do a competition every week which I feel can increase listeners not quickly but gradually!

E5: you don't seem to be able to take the feedback as you get defensive over a few things that have been said about other depts. you are a moderator therefore should be setting an example to the other forum members not throwing a tantrum or arguing to someone because of a little feedback that has been sent! At the end of the day it is feedback and anyone is allowed to express what they feel needs to be improve on, it can't always be a failure of a dept. someone needs to realize not everything will come of just say "oh yeah it's alright guys quality hasn't been great this month lets get it better for the next" what encouragement does that show from a manager of a dept linked with a fansite that is the oldest and largest running fansite and all you can say to your staff for targets is to improve for next month with no real issues why and no bullet pointed reasons as to why it failed last month and what the staff should be doing to improve it! The wiki page if FlyingJ wanted to update the pages the he would apply for that job wouldn't he? That's up to the content staff to do and I've seen from a few of the pages they aren't all great but they get a little info.

Ngl, I think this was a 100% accurate thread and should seriously be taken in to consideration. I know on the events forum there's been some serious speaking of quality etc just from standard staff how does that look on the managers? Does that mean they aren't doing their job properly? Not saying Alex Martin aren't but how does that look on the dept? And reflect on Habbox and the community?!

[Kardan]

It amazes me that events has always been an issue, when out of all the departments, events probably has the easiest job of them all...

[Samantha]

It's not just the community problem for events, it's also admin behind the scenes and how staff express themselves on the forum, we all noticed that the other week when a spam thread was made about one staff, and that didn't end well, it's likewise with ex staff too that didn't have the correct attitude on all platforms of Client and forum. Admin has picked up a little, but CNBs are still being posted too early in some cases and I am sick to death of the usual events. I like a few of them, but they're near enough all hosted too late at night.

Also, looking at the calendar how can you allow two of the same events together unless they're hosting together? Nice idea that you got older hosts back, but there's only 2 and although they were amazing in the department I would have also liked to see more effort and got a few older ones back - although you're going back in time for events yet Wired was introduced in 2010 so isn't that old enough. Although it's a good idea generally I think it could have been pushed more.

HabboxLive, I tuned out of last night as the DJ sounded like she was echoing all night, although it's not usually a regular occurrence, but out of those 158 hours how many were streaming? I don't mind, but I know you'll be stopping streaming during peak times. Also, if an international DJ was on air say 3am BST yet it was evening for them, would they be required to talk as it ay be peak for them? I like how the DJ is actually talking at the moment though to say many listeners will be getting ready for school/work etc.

Competitions paramore; that's far from correct, I've noticed so many similar competitions and I even informed Ryan how there were 3 similar competitions in the space of 3 months, 2 of which were written by him and although it's changed a lot now, it's still happening although that can be sorted probably.

News I am finding is becoming more of a chore as the motivation isn't there as various factors behind the scenes occur that I never agree with, there is no commanding role in the department and I could probably get away with writing random sentences in my reports if I was still Head News Reporter as they don't get checked enough as I know Intersocial has errors in his reports, but of course no one checks them. I know we have a lack of staff at the moment, but a manager should be able to control 3/4 members of staff. I know a few of us do it, I have approximately 16 other staff in my department, with the help of Head Rare Values Reporters and Head Rare Values Furni Editors, not only that, but Rosy, Jade, Alex they all managed for ages and I believe assistants can also improve the department. Although News is an ok department it doesn't scream wow to me as it's generic and we're not usually the fastest one to report something. This isn't a dig, just my opinion as I am in the department so I do care and know.

Content, Wikia is not the best, they steal Habbox Rare Values. Content just needs motivation within it and it would improve my workload.

I've waffled on, oh well :P.

[Reality]

Samanfa; hate burst yo' bubble Ryan is t the guy to speak to its now .Cymru.;

[Chippiewill]

Just for the record, the Rare Values department are in no way responsible for the issues complained about in this thread. Its mostly come about from HotelUser rushing the V6 panel and making stupid decisions like deciding the release date and release value should be the date of the first value in the system and the first value in the system for the rare respectfully. One of the main reasons why V7 is taking so long is because I'm doing my best not to make some inflexible mistake that wastes everyone's time.



Wiki
Badly formatted, badly written, alright layout, still not really certain what the point of it is
To be quite brutally honest it's mismanaged. It doesn't matter if you get the point or not, many do, last time I checked the bandwidth graphs they've been growing month on month pretty consistently.

[Martin]

I'm going to reply to this thread properly tonight after work, however I just wanted to clear up a few things. Encouraging people to advertise is something we are currently working on. I cannot stress enough how many times we've mentioned this, but I think its one of those problems that has been around for a while and people have got into bad habits. Back when I first joined events in 2009 I remember we used to do this thing in an event where a 'screenshot' was taken and everyone in the room would shout out "habbox.com" "habboxforum.com" "habboxlive.com" etc. There used to be little updates posted on how an event went, and overall I think the community feel was just stronger. These days its an even harder job, in terms of a less interest in fansites in general and declining numbers across the board. Unfortunately solutions cannot be put into place overnight, but most of these problems are affecting multiple departments, and moreso the community in general as these days there just feels to be less of a community feel, and moreso groups. I think in some aspects skype is to blame for this, and it sounds totally weird but back then we didn't rely on all that so much, we bonded on the forum, we got involved with the community and we bonded on Habbo whilst in events/the helpdesk etc, but these days people just skype each other. :P

Last night was a prime example of how it can work, and how an event that late at night can attract a really good amount of visitors, and I've heard lots of advertising occurred during that event which is good. I just hope once we do get the members that they stick around. :P

Whilst I totally agree with you about the points you've raised, I think its fair to say that its a team effort all round. We have the majority of what we do with general management, and regularly talk to them about department updates and things concerning the department. Things are often mentioned to events staff, but does it get to the point where we need to remove people who don't advertise, don't interact enough etc? The prizes issue is a tricky one, as I don't see us growing a money tree anytime soon, and with quite a lot of members in the department it would be hard to fund prizes for them for so many events (Looking back at 2009 etc the amount of events isnt actually that different), however we currently have a system in place in which events organisers can 'earn' prizes such as credits and furniture by doing the things they should be doing within the department. This should help them fund better prizes and you should see that in action soon.


Basically, our site is stale and I guess if we had that shiny new site we were promised people would be proud and advertise it like the clappers, we need things that are unique and we need the idealogy that Habbox is a massive community full of lovely people, lots of things to win and general management and managers that get stuck in, get hosting events, hosting giveaways, making themselves prominent and leading by example. Improving staff morale comes to the forefront of this, and if there is no teamwork at the top, then it really reflects badly down the chain I feel.




I was going to go into more detail with each but since the only response from management I've had so far is essentially "no it's great" I don't imagine they'd do anything more for a bigger post :P I had assumed that it was just individual staff being the problem in most departments but seems like managers this generation just don't care enough to get anything done

I don't think any of us would say 'Its great' so im not sure who replied to you with that. Its clear there are a lot of problems at the moment, but a lot of these have cropped up in the past too. I think one of the main issues is that the whole feel of Habbox isn't really what it used to be, there is no motivation, there is no forward thinking and the majority of the staff spend their days complaining and arguing instead of setting an example and this itself kills the atmosphere, and just puts a negative light on things which could easily be turned into positive with a little constructive feedback (as you've done in this thread). I'm not sure if you read this (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=780398&p=7935242#post7935242), but just over a week ago I did promise that we would work on the whole advertising/interaction thing, and we are currently discussing it and we will be talking to Mike about it and seeing what he thinks.




It amazes me that events has always been an issue, when out of all the departments, events probably has the easiest job of them all...

I really wouldn't say that :P I think the people working on V7 have the easiest job of them all :P

[Chippiewill]

I think the people working on V7 have the easiest job of them all :P

*person and it's not.

[e5]

e5; FlyingJesus; not gonna lie I do agree with most of what FlyingJ has said HabboxLive really does need more in-client interaction and more forum commitment I know Foregetfuhl; is working on this with the current DJs she has as when I left I felt in client was getting better, however it has slipped and you hardly see any of the DJs on client and doing competitions unless they are a head DJ having to do a competition every week which I feel can increase listeners not quickly but gradually!

E5: you don't seem to be able to take the feedback as you get defensive over a few things that have been said about other depts. you are a moderator therefore should be setting an example to the other forum members not throwing a tantrum or arguing to someone because of a little feedback that has been sent! At the end of the day it is feedback and anyone is allowed to express what they feel needs to be improve on, it can't always be a failure of a dept. someone needs to realize not everything will come of just say "oh yeah it's alright guys quality hasn't been great this month lets get it better for the next" what encouragement does that show from a manager of a dept linked with a fansite that is the oldest and largest running fansite and all you can say to your staff for targets is to improve for next month with no real issues why and no bullet pointed reasons as to why it failed last month and what the staff should be doing to improve it! The wiki page if FlyingJ wanted to update the pages the he would apply for that job wouldn't he? That's up to the content staff to do and I've seen from a few of the pages they aren't all great but they get a little info.

Ngl, I think this was a 100% accurate thread and should seriously be taken in to consideration. I know on the events forum there's been some serious speaking of quality etc just from standard staff how does that look on the managers? Does that mean they aren't doing their job properly? Not saying Alex Martin aren't but how does that look on the dept? And reflect on Habbox and the community?!

You obviously didn't read all my posts did you? I haven't gone defensive about what people say over other departments. I told FJ himself that I don't disagree I just wish he made more suggestions which is what we've argued about for the last 7 pages. What tantrum and I throwing? I'll say again: You obviously didn't read all my posts, did you? What does frustrate me is when I see replies like that.

Wiki: There is nothing wrong the the wiki, in a non-bias, non-defensive way. It's a very help site and the pages are well written. Maybe not all, but the majority are.

News: I agree with the integration to the forum; putting a short story in a thread on the forum and then linking to the full story on the site, this gets people reading news, as long as the short story is well written.

Moderation: I even opened up to the fact that I may have been one of the moderators he was criticising and I am more than happy to take any criticism if it comes my way. I also said things that the forum department was doing in terms of little events. If anyone thinks of other stuff that can be done - suggest it.

Events: An event last night was a prime example of a staff member not caring about their event, but that doesn't mean to say ALL event staff are like this. This was just a particularly bad one, and i'm sure it will be dealt with. A talk to all events staff, to advertise Habbox and to interact with players more should be drilled into them.

The other departments I haven't really paid much attention to so I don't have much to say on them. I was just asking that some ideas come with the critisism and FJ gave some in later posts, so I wasn't complaining and even said I was purposely being obtuse to spark replies and get reactions as to how members really feel, and it worked.

adios.

[lawrawrrr]

Okay I was going to stay out of this for multiple reasons but I just have to say that removing graphics is pretty much a non-option... and I think anyone who thinks it *is* an option might be a little bit mental. I've noticed that recently (last few months), graphics produced by the department are not always at 100% (no idea who made them though!) and may not look super professional gorgeous everyone loves them but in all honesty it's probably better than what most department managers can manage. On top of that it's stupid things, like badges, donator bars, buttons, stupid things which are easy for other people to do but would just take up time, so we take that off their mind.

If I'm missing something here, do enlighten me.

[Jazz]

With Habboxlive, I think that there should be some kind of mandatory server trial before they go onto the main server. When I tune in to DJ's and hear there mics crashing and buffering and lack of SAM skills and awful music (it happens), it makes me tune out. With the reform the whole department is having at the moment to trying and improve community moral and departmental activity, as well as implementing more measures to help the DJ's out and give the listeners something to listen to, rather than just a stream of music.

Streaming is good and bad. It keeps the radio online during non-peak hours, but people just stream for minimums. Which is annoying to say the least. I think there needs to be rules on streaming:

- No streaming a pre-booked slot
- No streaming during UK Peak Times, unless no-one can cover and cover has been checked properly (skype, forum, etc)
- Streaming only counts for 0.5 of a slot, etc.

The HxL community in general is going through a huge department overhaul to help boost it back, this won't happen overnight and theres a small chance it will make no difference, but we are trying. Its coming up to our busy time of year and we have actually come prepared for it!

[-:Undertaker:-]

The Wikipedia pages are well written in that the basics are there and we also have to remember that not everybody (even Content staff) will have the best of English skills that are expected on say the real world Wikipedia. As long as the basics are down on the Wiki, hopefully over time it will be improved and added on to - sometimes i'll browse and edit bits, or do entire new pages such as HHGS or the RV series I was writing and which i'll continue with over the next few months whenever I feel motivated by it.

I'd like to see the Wiki become more of a community thing and take some of the burden off the Content department - I suggested to Chris & Matt the other week that for example, department pages on the Wiki should become the responsibility of each department rather than having Sam and other having to trawl through the Announcements for every department. It makes sense - each department will be more motivated editing their own Wiki and keeping it up to date than a stranger will.

What else would I suggest? well, maybe Award badges and chunks of reputation should start being handed out for someone who completes a reasonable Wikipedia page. Open something like that up to the forum - 100 rep points & an Award page for each page completed. Whether people will take the challenge who knows, but at least there's an incentive to involve non-staff and get more pages finished/up.

[Mr-Trainor]

Well, it would be nice if every item had a tag then, wouldn't it.

Trax section for example, trax 'discs' are tradeable, trax machines are not. Habbox doesn't tell you either of these things.

Secondly, what's the point of release dates of furniture? Because I'm pretty sure the Throne wasn't released in 2010...
With over 3500 items it's going to take a while to get tags on every item. But actually, the furni editors are all making great progress atm with doing so. Back in May I set up a thread to basically list what needs doing for each category, as before that you'd have to go looking for items with no tags :P. So hopefully it won't be too long before every category has tags. At the moment, I just counted 171 of 181 categories having tags :).

Then how come Habbox put on furniture that has just been discovered, that hasn't even seen light on the hotel yet? :P

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=781182

And Sam, why aren't you allowed to just post competitions whenever you want? It seems a bit crap that you have to ask to do more competitions...
I added them :L, but because it's nice to have the items there as soon as Habbo upload them because they could be released at any time, and with the images etc already done they only have to be moved to the right category and maybe have their tags updated :P.

[Grig]

To be honest, the whole international side of Habbox is a joke and is not taken seriously, apart starting to at HabboxLive in recent weeks, where we were seeing an increase in international DJs and listeners. The rest is all backwards and no one even cares to fix it.

To prove my point, let's go back to 208 or 9 when Bomb-Head was Events Manager. You had a rank called International Events Organizer and there were applications exclusively for internationals, much like there are on HabboxLive. Now, nothing? International events are a joke and no one even attempts to make it better. I was DJing earlier on today at 2 am UK time, was at an event and barely anyone was there. Apart from a few regulars and staff who were mostly either in the host or VIP areas.

Forum has an international presence now with at least an international mod, which is great, but would be good if not everything occurs during prime time. Would be great that the forum did not die overnight UK time and there was stuff happening.

Personally, all community departments, particularly events and competitions should work together to push each other during international times, because I remember in the past, I think this was around 2 years ago, HabboxLive had a large number of international staff. Yet, the other departments did not bother to help out in international times at all and would just take benefit from one department at least trying.

I can go on about other issues, but find this one to be a problem at Habbox, where things are even going backwards, not forwards with ints.

[FlyingJesus]

Encouraging people to advertise is something we are currently working on. I cannot stress enough how many times we've mentioned this

You mentioning it lots of times is kinda the point. This has been an issue since at least as long (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=774133&p=7864345#post7864345) as the news non-update issue (probably longer since the post does refer to earlier suggestions) and it's still a huge problem even with the same culprits as back then, so clearly it's not actually being worked on just looked at and walked past


These days its an even harder job, in terms of a less interest in fansites in general and declining numbers across the board. Unfortunately solutions cannot be put into place overnight, but most of these problems are affecting multiple departments, and moreso the community in general as these days there just feels to be less of a community feel, and moreso groups. I think in some aspects skype is to blame for this, and it sounds totally weird but back then we didn't rely on all that so much, we bonded on the forum, we got involved with the community and we bonded on Habbo whilst in events/the helpdesk etc, but these days people just skype each other. :P

It was msn before skype and that's been the case ever since I can remember, so can't really blame lack of forum interaction on other mediums. If it is as you say a harder job now then it's even more reason to be stricter on how it's does rather than allowing your staff to continue day after day to not only be completely unwilling to do anything remotely helpful for the community but not even host the event properly. There's no community feeling because no-one is propagating one

Last night was a prime example of how it can work, and how an event that late at night can attract a really good amount of visitors, and I've heard lots of advertising occurred during that event which is good. I just hope once we do get the members that they stick around. :P


but does it get to the point where we need to remove people who don't advertise, don't interact enough etc?

Yes of course it does, and has! As I've said before I like your enthusiasm but if you're not willing to actually solve the problems that the department face instead of throwing coins in a wishing well and hoping it all gets better then I'm not really sure why you're in management


I'm not sure if you read this (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=780398&p=7935242#post7935242), but just over a week ago I did promise that we would work on the whole advertising/interaction thing, and we are currently discussing it and we will be talking to Mike about it and seeing what he thinks.

I did see it, and I saw it 3 months ago when the same thing was said too


Okay I was going to stay out of this for multiple reasons but I just have to say that removing graphics is pretty much a non-option... and I think anyone who thinks it *is* an option might be a little bit mental. I've noticed that recently (last few months), graphics produced by the department are not always at 100% (no idea who made them though!) and may not look super professional gorgeous everyone loves them but in all honesty it's probably better than what most department managers can manage. On top of that it's stupid things, like badges, donator bars, buttons, stupid things which are easy for other people to do but would just take up time, so we take that off their mind.

If I'm missing something here, do enlighten me.

Mostly the fact that it's not a constant workload so there's no real way of evaluating staff performance properly. Also there are plenty of people around the forum who do graphics on request without being staff - I did a HxHD advertisement sig for a staff member recently because there were no graphic staff on at the time and it didn't seem worth waiting for the request to be processed, allocated, submitted, checked, and then released when the person requesting it knew I could get it over and done with in 10 minutes. It's a department that needs at most 1 member of staff to manage requests in a proper request forum or something, and the rest can involve *+*DUN DUN DUN*+* the community


What else would I suggest? well, maybe Award badges and chunks of reputation should start being handed out for someone who completes a reasonable Wikipedia page. Open something like that up to the forum - 100 rep points & an Award page for each page completed. Whether people will take the challenge who knows, but at least there's an incentive to involve non-staff and get more pages finished/up.

Things like that would definitely promote the wiki (and its evolution) without the unnecessary burden of checking staff and having fixed roles for people who may just want to get involved every now and then rather than be held down to it. The same goes for other things like graphics as above, RV where it already is somewhat in place since the best "freelancers" as I suppose they are get rewarded with staff placements when they become available, and news which could be done very easily if the proposed update to the department was actually put in place - it all boils down to getting the community involved and not carrying on with this segregation of staff and members that's been essentially mandated for the past few years now

[Yawn]

i think sack every moderator in help desk apart from cerys and sack all forum moderators

this thread is exhausting some1 close it fast

[e5]

If there were no moderators who would close it?
Guess we are lucky FJ is vip and can close his own I guess :rolleyes:
i think sack every moderator in help desk apart from cerys and sack all forum moderators

this thread is exhausting some1 close it fast

[Kardan]

I really wouldn't say that :P I think the people working on V7 have the easiest job of them all :P

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leut89oTFl1qf8yek.gif

That's a good one :P

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With over 3500 items it's going to take a while to get tags on every item. But actually, the furni editors are all making great progress atm with doing so. Back in May I set up a thread to basically list what needs doing for each category, as before that you'd have to go looking for items with no tags :P. So hopefully it won't be too long before every category has tags. At the moment, I just counted 171 of 181 categories having tags :).

I added them :L, but because it's nice to have the items there as soon as Habbo upload them because they could be released at any time, and with the images etc already done they only have to be moved to the right category and maybe have their tags updated :P.

I'll let you off on the tags, the one category I decided to visit didn't have them, so my bad :P

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The Wikipedia pages are well written in that the basics are there and we also have to remember that not everybody (even Content staff) will have the best of English skills that are expected on say the real world Wikipedia. As long as the basics are down on the Wiki, hopefully over time it will be improved and added on to - sometimes i'll browse and edit bits, or do entire new pages such as HHGS or the RV series I was writing and which i'll continue with over the next few months whenever I feel motivated by it.

I'd like to see the Wiki become more of a community thing and take some of the burden off the Content department - I suggested to Chris & Matt the other week that for example, department pages on the Wiki should become the responsibility of each department rather than having Sam and other having to trawl through the Announcements for every department. It makes sense - each department will be more motivated editing their own Wiki and keeping it up to date than a stranger will.

What else would I suggest? well, maybe Award badges and chunks of reputation should start being handed out for someone who completes a reasonable Wikipedia page. Open something like that up to the forum - 100 rep points & an Award page for each page completed. Whether people will take the challenge who knows, but at least there's an incentive to involve non-staff and get more pages finished/up.

Regarding the Wiki, it's not so much the English that bothers me, I'm aware that this is a site for teenagers, not Wikipedia Admins :P And I'm aware there will be mistakes that will be corrected (hopefully) as time goes on... Seplling mistakes do bother me, as you would assume people would have spell-checked their work, but once again, it's a minor thing.

The one thing that bothers me most about the Wiki, is that it's got too much opinion in on it. A wiki should be full of facts, I don't need a story telling to me, e.g:


The Competitions Manager at the time, Inseriousity., was against this strongly and argued against it saying that it was "pointless".

Of course, this is just my opinion. The content team might like it that way :P I just find that sort of stuff annoying, there's not much of it, but I do notice it.

Also, I could be totally wrong here, but on pages where you say 'And the rare value price is XXX', I'm guessing this doesn't update automatically? (Since some of the prices are off) Why do you have out-of-date rare values on the wiki? I'm sure you could have a price that updates daily automatically, or you could simply link to Habbox Rare Values... Correct me if I'm wrong though :)

[Yawn]

well lets just say im planning to overthrow chris and become head moder8r

http://i.minus.com/i7hFePA06oJnt.gif

[Kardan]

Also, I did say a while back, that the cause for most of these issues was having seperate departments essentially competing over the same thing. Clearly, merging is out of the question, but getting teams to work together more would help a lot.

I said a while back that Events/HxL need to work together more, and News/Content/Graphics do as well. I'm not sure what happened to the 'Guides' staff, but as people saw from the massive thread that was created on it, News and Content wanted it for themselves and didn't fancy working together (Even though content is pretty much a subset of News right now?).


[Inb4 people tell me 'WELL ITZ A GOOD FING U R NOT IN CHARGE!!11SHIFT]


If I was in charge, I would restructure everything, something like this:

Client Department (Events/HxL/HxHD)
Forum Department (Comps/Moderation/Debates)
Site Department (News/Content/Graphics/Guides/Rare Values)

It would make there be less managers, more staff would work with other staff. There would be no quotas, and no limits either. So if somebody wants to do X competitions a week, let them. Let it be a lot more fluid. Don't need quotas, simply give warnings to people that aren't putting in enough effort. Some people are bound to do more than others. And this doesn't mean, 'All events staff have to become DJs, all Graphics staff have to do Rare Values', but staff can easily do work for similiar departments then need be, rather than 4/5/6+ managers having to keep an eye on the same staff member.

Three managers, each with an assistant, so only 6 management positions. All report to the Community Manager, who reports to the General Manager. So essentially just 8 management positions, plus Jin and Sierk.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Regarding the Wiki, it's not so much the English that bothers me, I'm aware that this is a site for teenagers, not Wikipedia Admins :P And I'm aware there will be mistakes that will be corrected (hopefully) as time goes on... Seplling mistakes do bother me, as you would assume people would have spell-checked their work, but once again, it's a minor thing.

The one thing that bothers me most about the Wiki, is that it's got too much opinion in on it. A wiki should be full of facts, I don't need a story telling to me, e.g:

But if Inseriousity was against (the subject matter) then that should surely be documented. For example, most would agree on here that the majority disapproved at the time with the way ---MAD--- was running the forum - that should be documented. The page shouldn't be a slur of his time as General Manager, certainly not, but it should take into account events and feelings at the time - otherwise we might aswell just have pages full of dates and nothing more.

The truth is, many events are best taught as stories - I find pages detailing an entire event as a commentary much more interesting than some of the other pages where it's just something like below...


-:Undertaker:- worked as a RV Reporter.

He then joined Content and left two months later.

He had a trade room.

List of Jobs Held

RV Reporter x to x
RVM x to x
Content x to x

Much better to have information and a flow in the pages than vague (and boring) lines of information and dull facts.

If an event is being discussed on the Wiki and it's related to say Inseriosity then I want to know what Inseriousity made of it at the time as it might be key in gaging an understand of what happened at the time and how it was viewed - much like the real Wikipedia articles.


Also, I could be totally wrong here, but on pages where you say 'And the rare value price is XXX', I'm guessing this doesn't update automatically? (Since some of the prices are off) Why do you have out-of-date rare values on the wiki? I'm sure you could have a price that updates daily automatically, or you could simply link to Habbox Rare Values... Correct me if I'm wrong though :)

Is this referring to my series on rare values? completely wrong if so. The pages I created are a history of rare values - not the actual rare values. The reason why i've listed many rares at the prices they attained at the time is to provide evidence for the claims I make when I say for example that there was a 'summer rise' or a '2008 boom' - I list the values of some rares back then to show what happened with the rare values market.

The clue is in the name, History of the British Rare Values Market. :P

[Kardan]

But if Inseriousity was against (the subject matter) then that should surely be documented. For example, most would agree on here that the majority disapproved at the time with the way ---MAD--- was running the forum - that should be documented. The page shouldn't be a slur of his time as General Manager, certainly not, but it should take into account events and feelings at the time - otherwise we might aswell just have pages full of dates and nothing more.

The truth is, many events are best taught as stories - I find pages detailing an entire event as a commentary much more interesting than some of the other pages where it's just something like below...



Much better to have information and a flow in the pages than vague (and boring) lines of information and dull facts.



Is this referring to my series on rare values? completely wrong if so. The pages I created are a history of rare values - not the actual rare values. The reason why i've listed many rares at the prices they attained at the time is to provide evidence for the claims I make when I say for example that there was a 'summer rise' or a '2008 boom' - I list the values of some rares back then to show what happened with the rare values market.

The clue is in the name, History of the British Rare Values Market. :P

Fair enough in regards to the first part of the post, just my personal preference :P

Secondly, it's got nothing to do with your History articles, they're great :) It's more the wiki pages for individual rares :)

E.g: http://habboxwiki.com/Silver_Dragon_Lamp

[sex]

To be honest, the whole international side of Habbox is a joke and is not taken seriously, apart starting to at HabboxLive in recent weeks, where we were seeing an increase in international DJs and listeners. The rest is all backwards and no one even cares to fix it.

To prove my point, let's go back to 208 or 9 when Bomb-Head was Events Manager. You had a rank called International Events Organizer and there were applications exclusively for internationals, much like there are on HabboxLive. Now, nothing? International events are a joke and no one even attempts to make it better. I was DJing earlier on today at 2 am UK time, was at an event and barely anyone was there. Apart from a few regulars and staff who were mostly either in the host or VIP areas.

Forum has an international presence now with at least an international mod, which is great, but would be good if not everything occurs during prime time. Would be great that the forum did not die overnight UK time and there was stuff happening.

Personally, all community departments, particularly events and competitions should work together to push each other during international times, because I remember in the past, I think this was around 2 years ago, HabboxLive had a large number of international staff. Yet, the other departments did not bother to help out in international times at all and would just take benefit from one department at least trying.

I can go on about other issues, but find this one to be a problem at Habbox, where things are even going backwards, not forwards with ints.

I suggested introducing a international management to events because Habbox dies at night time but the reply from events management was "i stay up to 4am some nights so its not really needed" which is a joke. You need international people managing international things. Habbox had a much better international department before the merge with HabboxWorld etc, yet now...nothing lol..


I think it was@Bolt660; who mentioned that "habbo activity is decreasing, i don't think that can be used as an excuse when the two other big fansites manage to fill their rooms constantly with people wanting to play their events.

Also do management of events even Habbo much? I'm being asked daily in my Jungle Run or being added by event hosts, head events hosts or just other staff from different fansites asking do i want to become an events host. Even when i go to shops and if i buy a large amount of furni people have asked me would i be interested in hosting events at HFFM or THISHABBO, all i see for Habbox is "go check habbo.com/jobs for info! :)"

[-:Undertaker:-]

Fair enough in regards to the first part of the post, just my personal preference :P

Secondly, it's got nothing to do with your History articles, they're great :) It's more the wiki pages for individual rares :)

E.g: http://habboxwiki.com/Silver_Dragon_Lamp

Ah thanks.

And I see, yes I can see your point there. Really those pages shouldn't include any values (it'd be ridiculous to expect them to be updated manually even if we had 100 staff working on it) and should only include release dates/background information.

[Kardan]

I don't understand why Events Organisers find it so difficult. If I had the furniture, I'd come up with some great events, a lot better than the usual 'Don't roll a 6, Don't get a carrot, First to hit the wall loses!'

And I appreciate this 'Retro' event thing the events department is holding, looks great on paper, until you realise that most of the events are the same old stuff, just without the wired games (Telephrase is awful anyway :P) and with normal queues :P

Also, all the Winter/Summer events that go on, are just the same events with wintery/summery names :P 'Don't hit the Christmas Wall!'

--

I've always felt like doing a sort of OFSTED report, but with the Events Department. Going in undercover, assessing each EO, giving them feedback on improving etc.

I guess you'd say something like 'Within the next 2 weeks you will be assessed secretly, the worst 10% of you get fired'.

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Ah thanks.

And I see, yes I can see your point there. Really those pages shouldn't include any values (it'd be ridiculous to expect them to be updated manually even if we had 100 staff working on it) and should only include release dates/background information.

Totally agree, unless you got some code that automatically takes the prices from Habbox.com (A bit like the RuneScape wiki does for items). But I imagine that would be a lot of effort for something already provided on Habbox.com

Thing is now, you've just gone and got another 100+ pages to update to remove all the prices now :P

[Mr-Trainor]

I thought those rare values on the Wiki pages did update automatically? I'll go have a look at some of them.

[Kardan]

I thought those rare values on the Wiki pages did update automatically? I'll go have a look at some of them.

If they do, then pages should probably stop saying 'The price as of 25/11/12 is X credits' :P

[Mr-Trainor]

All the ones I just checked have th same value as Habbox, I'm pretty sure it updates automatically :D.

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If they do, then pages should probably stop saying 'The price as of 25/11/12 is X credits' :P
Oh yeah I think I saw that before on one of the pages, like within the text at the top. Definitely shouldn't be like that if the automatic value is at the bottom - unless they just wanted to add history of the value :P.

---------- Post added 24-06-2013 at 12:41 PM ----------

http://habboxwiki.com/Dragon_Egg

"Currently, the value of this item is decreasing and is now worth 193 Credits on Habbox."

I wonder if the 'decreasing' part updates. I'm assuming it does but idk.

---------- Post added 24-06-2013 at 12:44 PM ----------

http://habboxwiki.com/Cherry_Tree

"The Cherry Tree has also stayed popular even after the Catalogue and is currently selling for approximately 150 Credits."

Things like this definitely shouldn't be on the wiki - it's actually now selling at around 400c :L.

[Kardan]

All the ones I just checked have th same value as Habbox, I'm pretty sure it updates automatically :D.

---------- Post added 24-06-2013 at 12:39 PM ----------


Oh yeah I think I saw that before on one of the pages, like within the text at the top. Definitely shouldn't be like that if the automatic value is at the bottom - unless they just wanted to add history of the value :P.

---------- Post added 24-06-2013 at 12:41 PM ----------

http://habboxwiki.com/Dragon_Egg

"Currently, the value of this item is decreasing and is now worth 193 Credits on Habbox."

I wonder if the 'decreasing' part updates. I'm assuming it does but idk.

It probably does, based on that green/red arrow. That's good :) Tried looking for a few pages now that include the date and can't find any, so there's only a few :P Wrong for me to assume that it applied to all pages :)

[Chippiewill]

The value is included automatically, nothing else.

[lawrawrrr]

Mostly the fact that it's not a constant workload so there's no real way of evaluating staff performance properly. Also there are plenty of people around the forum who do graphics on request without being staff - I did a HxHD advertisement sig for a staff member recently because there were no graphic staff on at the time and it didn't seem worth waiting for the request to be processed, allocated, submitted, checked, and then released when the person requesting it knew I could get it over and done with in 10 minutes. It's a department that needs at most 1 member of staff to manage requests in a proper request forum or something, and the rest can involve *+*DUN DUN DUN*+* the community

Staff performance review or constant workload ≠ not needing a deparment.

By 'employing' staff who can make graphics on request, the manager and forum management can ensure that they have a constant stream of graphics. If management were to just post in the graphic request forums then a) their secret events or plans would be out before they necessarily want them to and b) there's no guarantee they'd be done.

Requests aren't "processed, allocated, submitted, checked, and then released", managers just post and one of us get on with it. Whilst it may take longer than the 10 minutes, often graphics are asked for in advance and aren't just odd signatures or stuff, that's what the graphic request forum is for - graphic designers may still use that but our top priority is to do the official habbox graphics.

It's really simple, you can't rely on the community for such an integral department as graphics. Maybe for odd forum signatures, but HELL not the rest. If all managers posted in public all the graphics they wanted there would basically be no element of surprise!

[Kardan]

Staff performance review or constant workload ≠ not needing a deparment.

By 'employing' staff who can make graphics on request, the manager and forum management can ensure that they have a constant stream of graphics. If management were to just post in the graphic request forums then a) their secret events or plans would be out before they necessarily want them to and b) there's no guarantee they'd be done.

Requests aren't "processed, allocated, submitted, checked, and then released", managers just post and one of us get on with it. Whilst it may take longer than the 10 minutes, often graphics are asked for in advance and aren't just odd signatures or stuff, that's what the graphic request forum is for - graphic designers may still use that but our top priority is to do the official habbox graphics.

It's really simple, you can't rely on the community for such an integral department as graphics. Maybe for odd forum signatures, but HELL not the rest. If all managers posted in public all the graphics they wanted there would basically be no element of surprise!

All of this doesn't stop the fact that graphics is the department with the least workload, and essentially the only reason why Graphics isn't merged with Content (Since graphics would just be image content) is that current content staff would have to do graphics, which not all of them would be cool with.

I would literally put the 'Graphics Department' on the same sort of level as the 'Debates Department', essentially one person managing everything.

[lawrawrrr]

All of this doesn't stop the fact that graphics is the department with the least workload, and essentially the only reason why Graphics isn't merged with Content (Since graphics would just be image content) is that current content staff would have to do graphics, which not all of them would be cool with.

I would literally put the 'Graphics Department' on the same sort of level as the 'Debates Department', essentially one person managing everything.

but... where would we get graphics from if there were no staff

because it's not appropriate to ask the community to make graphics for events and things, maybe odd signatures and things which aren't secret or anything, yeah, but not the official stuff.

Graphics *was* merged with content, remember? It is effectively the same - it's image rather than text content. But the thing is, without someone with (semi-)professional experience with both, it's a very difficult job to manage both.

A lot of people at this age are either good at writing or images, very few are good at both. And that's why we need two departments. The only thing we're saving by merging them is a manager and if you ask me that's a pathetic reason to merge such fundamentally different.

[MKR&*42]

It probably does, based on that green/red arrow. That's good :) Tried looking for a few pages now that include the date and can't find any, so there's only a few :P Wrong for me to assume that it applied to all pages :)

It is automatically updated, you just input "{{Rarevalue|Silver Dragon Lamp}}" or whatever rare and it'll grab the Habbox price for you.

[Kardan]

but... where would we get graphics from if there were no staff

because it's not appropriate to ask the community to make graphics for events and things, maybe odd signatures and things which aren't secret or anything, yeah, but not the official stuff.

Graphics *was* merged with content, remember? It is effectively the same - it's image rather than text content. But the thing is, without someone with (semi-)professional experience with both, it's a very difficult job to manage both.

A lot of people at this age are either good at writing or images, very few are good at both. And that's why we need two departments. The only thing we're saving by merging them is a manager and if you ask me that's a pathetic reason to merge such fundamentally different.

Then it comes back to the same problem for me, quotas. Why not let people do what they're good at, rather than saying. Ok, you're in content, that's 10 edits on Habbox.com a month, and 10 new wiki pages a week. Just say, focus on your main interest. If you want to make some graphics, go for it, if you want to update the wiki, go for it. And check progress.

How many people are in the graphics department? 8 I count.

What are the latest graphics that have been produced? Off the top of my head, there is the retro award, and that 9th Habbox Birthday balloon? And I'm guessing the few banners for Anniversary threads?

I just feel like the Graphics department is pretty large for such a small workload, and Content is the other way around.

If you had to get rid of one department, Habbox would definitely function best by losing the Graphics department. (Comps would probably be pretty close...)

And when you talk about 'professional experience', we're talking about pixel art and copy and pasting in the majority of graphics design here. As far as I'm aware, nobody in the graphics department are full blown graphic designers are they? I wouldn't say anyone has professional experience in that department :P

I'm not saying get rid of Graphics, I just understand where the criticism is coming from. As far as I'm aware, there's always been two running jokes on this forum, the lack of V7, and the lack of work for graphics.

[FlyingJesus]

Requests aren't "processed, allocated, submitted, checked, and then released", managers just post and one of us get on with it.

Maybe it's the manager that isn't needed then. If it's just a case of "this needs to be done, someone do it" then all you need are maybe 2 or 3 graphic designers and a subforum somewhere that any manager who needs something done can post in. The manager making the request would essentially have them on loan and be responsible for them as staff until the project's done, simple


but... where would we get graphics from if there were no staff

Well (http://www.habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=38)


because it's not appropriate to ask the community to make graphics for events and things, maybe odd signatures and things which aren't secret or anything, yeah, but not the official stuff.

Yeah wouldn't want low-life non-staff having anything to do with Habbox's image, only official staff can be trusted to truly drive the place into the ground

[mrwoooooooo]

Maybe it's the manager that isn't needed then. If it's just a case of "this needs to be done, someone do it" then all you need are maybe 2 or 3 graphic designers and a subforum somewhere that any manager who needs something done can post in. The manager making the request would essentially have them on loan and be responsible for them as staff until the project's done, simple



Well (http://www.habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=38)



Yeah wouldn't want low-life non-staff having anything to do with Habbox's image, only official staff can be trusted to truly drive the place into the ground

Relying on general members of the forum to do something is a terrible idea.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

[lawrawrrr]

Then it comes back to the same problem for me, quotas. Why not let people do what they're good at, rather than saying. Ok, you're in content, that's 10 edits on Habbox.com a month, and 10 new wiki pages a week. Just say, focus on your main interest. If you want to make some graphics, go for it, if you want to update the wiki, go for it. And check progress.

How many people are in the graphics department? 8 I count.

What are the latest graphics that have been produced? Off the top of my head, there is the retro award, and that 9th Habbox Birthday balloon? And I'm guessing the few banners for Anniversary threads?

I just feel like the Graphics department is pretty large for such a small workload, and Content is the other way around.

If you had to get rid of one department, Habbox would definitely function best by losing the Graphics department. (Comps would probably be pretty close...)

And when you talk about 'professional experience', we're talking about pixel art and copy and pasting in the majority of graphics design here. As far as I'm aware, nobody in the graphics department are full blown graphic designers are they? I wouldn't say anyone has professional experience in that department :P

I'm not saying get rid of Graphics, I just understand where the criticism is coming from. As far as I'm aware, there's always been two running jokes on this forum, the lack of V7, and the lack of work for graphics.

I wasn't aware the quotas worked like that.... last time I was in content, it was "this is your task, do as much as you can/want" or even "do anything".

Graphics, some people don't want to/can't make some graphics - it's one thing putting text on a screenshot and it's something completely different and more time consuming making an alt, so it's not fair to use quotas like that.

I've been back for approximately 3 days and haven't done anything yet so I couldn't tell you, but there's quite a few requests which have been completed for behind-the-scenes stuff, things you wouldn't notice or things which are coming out soon. You might well have 40 requests one week, and none the next, and that's why we need a big workload; especially in big event times (like HxSS) you need a lot of people working simply to get everything done. As for bringing content into this, it's RIDICULOUS because they both have 'maximum staff loads' which I assume Graphics is at, it's not Tom's, or anyone's for that matter, fault that people don't want to work there. Other departments shouldn't suffer for the sake of equality or proportion when it comes to staff numbers

I think that Habbox could afford to lose any other departments, whilst still functioning, apart from the departments which are integral to the upkeep, the design and the basic input to the site: aka content and graphics. You can call these departments anything you want, but a site can't be a site without designers.

Professional doesn't mean (in this context) a workplace-environment experience, more like a basic understanding and a capability to produce decent looking graphics. Which a lot of people here, I would argue, can't. Not to the standard we have become used to over the years with our graphics designers.

Lack of work, that's because most of the time we don't have enough designers, not enough good-quality designers, or people promise to do something and don't deliver. You'd notice if NO graphic work was being done, and I guarantee there'd be hell to pay if that was the case, with quality criticism. I've never heard of it as a running joke though.

[despect]

The bit about Habboxlive, we do actually have some weekly shows which will be getting listeners and or people from the forum on the radio to maybe do some sort of event or questions etc so hopefully that will increase the listeners as well and get the community more involved with Habboxlive. :)

[FlyingJesus]

Professional now means entry-level, who knew

[lawrawrrr]

Maybe it's the manager that isn't needed then. If it's just a case of "this needs to be done, someone do it" then all you need are maybe 2 or 3 graphic designers and a subforum somewhere that any manager who needs something done can post in. The manager making the request would essentially have them on loan and be responsible for them as staff until the project's done, simple

Well (http://www.habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=38)

Yeah wouldn't want low-life non-staff having anything to do with Habbox's image, only official staff can be trusted to truly drive the place into the ground

The only reason we have a manager, IMHO, is to chase up people who haven't done something, whip the staff into shape and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING, and to process requests, which is quite a boring and admin-y job. It's changed so it's a lot better with the process now, but I'm not sure how much I can say.

2 or 3 graphics designers, volunteers on a forum who are constantly a liability and flight-risk are nowhere NEAR enough to get the job done. Especially when it comes to heavy-graphic-load events, like HxSS or something.

That's a complete exaggeration of what I said, all I meant was that staff don't want to pre-release information about an event, and that's why they wouldn't post in a PUBLIC FORUM for graphic requests like that.

OOOOH every graphic designer drives the place into the ground do they? If someone wants to help out and make graphics, and WOULD VOLUNTEER if it was posted in the requests forum, why should they not join the department?!

[Martin]

I just wanted to say, I really like the idea (I think it was @Kardan (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=3428); that mentioned it), about Events 'Ofsted'. I guess it would work a bit like a mystery shopper really, to ensure people are getting the best service possible.

We currently do 'Feedback PMs' where senior events organisers monitor events and then send feedback to the host on what could be improved etc. However this has become stale as of late and isn't really done enough at all.


I'm going to talk to Alex and Mike about it as we're having a meeting about all of this tonight to try and move forwards, but I think what we could do with is like a list of things that should be done/included within an event and then on a regular basic this list can be checked off against the event. Pretty much like a mystery shopper would do. We would then have evidence of whats going wrong and whos causing the problems, and I think it will be a real eye opener and should ensure that all events are following the correct procedures, are doing enough to advertise (not just their own event but the whole of habbox), and that the guests within the room are given the attention they need to make them want to come back to more events. Its very much customer service related in some ways, and being a training buddy in customer service I know how important it is for staff to give off the right impression from the beginning.


Will be able to feedback more to you after tonights meeting, and I'd just like to apologise that it's got to this stage really, and I would like to apologise for being rubbish as of late @FlyingJesus (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753); it has been a long term problem for as long as I can remember, theres always been ups and downs (even back in 2009 it was sometimes a struggle to fill events), but its something that right now is crucial to Habbox moving forwards and staying afloat I feel. (that and V7)

[David]

graphics quality is bad since tom and i left
dept doesnt need a manager either

[FlyingJesus]

The only reason we have a manager, IMHO, is to chase up people who haven't done something, whip the staff into shape and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING, and to process requests, which is quite a boring and admin-y job. It's changed so it's a lot better with the process now, but I'm not sure how much I can say.

A job which would easily be done by the manager who requests a certain graphic


2 or 3 graphics designers, volunteers on a forum who are constantly a liability and flight-risk are nowhere NEAR enough to get the job done. Especially when it comes to heavy-graphic-load events, like HxSS or something.

If they're a constant liability and flight risk then something's definitely not right. Needing more people for one or two big events a year doesn't necessitate having 8 staff members and a manager with nothing to do, and considering such events are supposed to be for the community (and aren't the top secret things you keep going on about) it would surely be a fabulous idea to have the earliest or even pre- HxSS competitions as graphic ones to get the work done and get people involved


OOOOH every graphic designer drives the place into the ground do they? If someone wants to help out and make graphics, and WOULD VOLUNTEER if it was posted in the requests forum, why should they not join the department?!

I didn't say that but when there's a huge thread that goes through problems with nearly all of the departments it's clear that being staff doesn't make people immune to being crap. Not everyone wants to take on a staff role with (supposed) constant responsibilities but may be willing to do something here and there if it piques their interest and they fancy getting credit for something. I'm not staff anywhere but I do a lot of work attempting to improve things anyway, and lots of people are the same

[David]

maybe 2 or 3 graphic designers and a subforum somewhere that any manager who needs something done can post in. The manager making the request would essentially have them on loan and be responsible for them as staff until the project's done, simple

suggested to do that countless times, no one listened.

[lawrawrrr]

A job which would easily be done by the manager who requests a certain graphic

Totally, but it's one extra thing which they shouldn't have to worry about. The new system does kind of promote this in all honesty.




If they're a constant liability and flight risk then something's definitely not right. Needing more people for one or two big events a year doesn't necessitate having 8 staff members and a manager with nothing to do, and considering such events are supposed to be for the community (and aren't the top secret things you keep going on about) it would surely be a fabulous idea to have the earliest or even pre- HxSS competitions as graphic ones to get the work done and get people involved

Constant liability or flight risk would be the situation if we used freelance designers from the forum - as well as the fact they'd be under no 'rules' or risks like Habbox Staff are.

I believe this is POSSIBLY the first time ever it's been such a big department and trialists do not count as staff members, a lot of graphics trialists actually fail because they're not good enough or resign pretty quickly.

Don't agree at all, graphics shouldn't be run past the community first because it's just simply not a professional way to run a website/a company (extrapolate that to Habbox ok, it's a bit far-fetched but works)



I didn't say that but when there's a huge thread that goes through problems with nearly all of the departments it's clear that being staff doesn't make people immune to being crap. Not everyone wants to take on a staff role with (supposed) constant responsibilities but may be willing to do something here and there if it piques their interest and they fancy getting credit for something. I'm not staff anywhere but I do a lot of work attempting to improve things anyway, and lots of people are the same

Yeah you didn't really go through problems much. Just a general moan is the tone I got. Obviously some exceptions but it's taken you 6 pages to actually get down to specific problems, half of which are non-existent.

Graphics isn't a heavy workload, a lot of the time you can get away with not doing much at all. And we don't get credit. Even as staff. So that doesn't really work.

[FlyingJesus]

Don't agree at all, graphics shouldn't be run past the community first because it's just simply not a professional way to run a website/a company (extrapolate that to Habbox ok, it's a bit far-fetched but works)

Which definition of professional are you using now? On the last page you said professional just means a basic understanding, now you're trying to suggest that Habbox is some sort of corporation which has no need for its community for input. Your inability to define simple terms aside, in what way is it unprofessional to involve people in something they're already a part of?


Yeah you didn't really go through problems much. Just a general moan is the tone I got. Obviously some exceptions but it's taken you 6 pages to actually get down to specific problems, half of which are non-existent.

Oh good, another person who can't read and just assume a tone where there is none; you and e5 should date, you can just talk and talk and talk and never have to listen to each other. The issues are all laid out in the very first post if you would care to actually process the words. Which of the problems are non-existent? It's a fantastic impression of upper management you're doing (denying that problems exist "because no") but it's not especially useful to anyone to just blindly deny everything

[Kardan]

I just wanted to say, I really like the idea (I think it was @Kardan (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=3428); that mentioned it), about Events 'Ofsted'. I guess it would work a bit like a mystery shopper really, to ensure people are getting the best service possible.

We currently do 'Feedback PMs' where senior events organisers monitor events and then send feedback to the host on what could be improved etc. However this has become stale as of late and isn't really done enough at all.


I'm going to talk to Alex and Mike about it as we're having a meeting about all of this tonight to try and move forwards, but I think what we could do with is like a list of things that should be done/included within an event and then on a regular basic this list can be checked off against the event. Pretty much like a mystery shopper would do. We would then have evidence of whats going wrong and whos causing the problems, and I think it will be a real eye opener and should ensure that all events are following the correct procedures, are doing enough to advertise (not just their own event but the whole of habbox), and that the guests within the room are given the attention they need to make them want to come back to more events. Its very much customer service related in some ways, and being a training buddy in customer service I know how important it is for staff to give off the right impression from the beginning.


Will be able to feedback more to you after tonights meeting, and I'd just like to apologise that it's got to this stage really, and I would like to apologise for being rubbish as of late @FlyingJesus (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753); it has been a long term problem for as long as I can remember, theres always been ups and downs (even back in 2009 it was sometimes a struggle to fill events), but its something that right now is crucial to Habbox moving forwards and staying afloat I feel. (that and V7)

I think this 'Mystery Habbo' as you could call it, would work very well. You can make sure that EOs do everything they should, E.g: Advertise Habbox, Explain what rep is, Explain how to play the game (Not just 'Read sticky' as I often get), and just general attitude.

[FlyingJesus]

I think this 'Mystery Habbo' as you could call it, would work very well. You can make sure that EOs do everything they should, E.g: Advertise Habbox, Explain what rep is, Explain how to play the game (Not just 'Read sticky' as I often get), and just general attitude.

Will need 3 extra managers and a separate subforum with spam thread. Also a random staff bonding session so we can train staff to not interact with anyone other than each other

[Kardan]

Will need 3 extra managers and a separate subforum with spam thread. Also a random staff bonding session so we can train staff to not interact with anyone other than each other

Also need to hire more staff that can't take feedback because everything is okay :P

[xxMATTGxx]

Still going through the thread but this one caught my eye on the bus in regards of Graphics:


suggested to do that countless times, no one listened.

Technically that has been done. We just don't do the "loaning" the staff side of it. But the managers post their own requests in a forum that all Graphics staff can see. The Graphics Department will always be more of an internal department that Habbox DOES actually need. We cannot afford to close it or risk shutting it down on a trial period. We also cannot risk allowing the general community to do the graphics we need. It's just not practical.

[Grig]

When being in management, particularly HxL, you do not know how many banners were needed. To close down the graphics department would make everything either not done or delayed.

It's a department that's underrated, but extremely important to Habbox.

[dbgtz]

I'm not sure what's been said and I can't really be bothered to flick through all the pages, I have to say the music has no variety and I think I'd tune in more if it went beyond the likes of the chart and One Direction. Though saying that, I'm not suggesting every show needs to have this amazing variety but allocated slots dedicated to a certain type of music could attract more people. I think I remember someone doing Doctor Who music for an hour one time and that was quite well received IIRC.

Also I think it would be more entertaining to get more duos. A conversation is far more entertaining than listening to someone merely recite a part of their day in my opinion.

[xxMATTGxx]

To be honest, the whole international side of Habbox is a joke and is not taken seriously, apart starting to at HabboxLive in recent weeks, where we were seeing an increase in international DJs and listeners. The rest is all backwards and no one even cares to fix it.

To prove my point, let's go back to 208 or 9 when Bomb-Head was Events Manager. You had a rank called International Events Organizer and there were applications exclusively for internationals, much like there are on HabboxLive. Now, nothing? International events are a joke and no one even attempts to make it better. I was DJing earlier on today at 2 am UK time, was at an event and barely anyone was there. Apart from a few regulars and staff who were mostly either in the host or VIP areas.

Forum has an international presence now with at least an international mod, which is great, but would be good if not everything occurs during prime time. Would be great that the forum did not die overnight UK time and there was stuff happening.

Personally, all community departments, particularly events and competitions should work together to push each other during international times, because I remember in the past, I think this was around 2 years ago, HabboxLive had a large number of international staff. Yet, the other departments did not bother to help out in international times at all and would just take benefit from one department at least trying.

I can go on about other issues, but find this one to be a problem at Habbox, where things are even going backwards, not forwards with ints.

I had an idea about this the other week but not sure if it is any good. The basic idea was for Habbox to have like a "recruitment event/week" that would be aimed specifically at people from outside the UK. I am not sure how good it would be or if it would be successful but could be used a base and then other ideas thrown into it. Still needs work and other ideas to make it good though.

Funnily enough this all started imagining a bunch of Habbos carrying flags like they do at the Olympics. Oh look, another job for the Graphics Dept.


I suggested introducing a international management to events because Habbox dies at night time but the reply from events management was "i stay up to 4am some nights so its not really needed" which is a joke. You need international people managing international things. Habbox had a much better international department before the merge with HabboxWorld etc, yet now...nothing lol..


I think it was@Bolt660; who mentioned that "habbo activity is decreasing, i don't think that can be used as an excuse when the two other big fansites manage to fill their rooms constantly with people wanting to play their events.

Also do management of events even Habbo much? I'm being asked daily in my Jungle Run or being added by event hosts, head events hosts or just other staff from different fansites asking do i want to become an events host. Even when i go to shops and if i buy a large amount of furni people have asked me would i be interested in hosting events at HFFM or THISHABBO, all i see for Habbox is "go check habbo.com/jobs for info! :)"

International Management is a good idea but you need the staff and people before you can put that into place.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I had an idea about this the other week but not sure if it is any good. The basic idea was for Habbox to have like a "recruitment event/week" that would be aimed specifically at people from outside the UK. I am not sure how good it would be or if it would be successful but could be used a base and then other ideas thrown into it. Still needs work and other ideas to make it good though.

A recruitment drive for British staff would also be a good idea for any departments struggling with staffing (like Rare Values has been lately). I know in the older days I used to more or less attempt to get trading friends I knew into the department where they basically walked in without having to go through the usual posting reports in a public forum - because I knew from my own experience that they were good which is why they used to virtually sent me reports over the console. :P

I think if we know somebody is good enough whether it's trading or something else, we ought to get them into staff as quickly as possible without the fuss of applications and usual procedure. Sometimes it works and they stay, sometimes they don't - but i'm sure there's plenty out there on the hotel who would make great events staff and great values staff.

[e5]

I'd make amazing events staff if I had the furni :( I have been there before but had to resign cos I ran out of furniture lol

[Foregetfuhl]

Theres nothing to stop Habbox having a recruitment fair and it can easily be done for both UK and Int times. We're relying heavily on Grig at the moment to pick up OC times whilst other Head DJs and regular DJs are focusing on NA. Myself and Mark have been pushing for more international people to join and are doing things to make sure that it will happen. This would mean UK staff won't need to stream at silly times in the morning and we can have people effectively DJing their own slots with no problems. Ultimately we want an Assistant Radio Manager (International) with mark moving in as specifically targeting EU. I personally think that would be a step in the right direction as we need to push forward to couple with the fact that Habbo.com is completely worldwide. I'd like to get it to the stage that we have 2 teams of each NA, OC and UK and hopefully providing we keep pushing that will happen.

[Aaron]

Also, I did say a while back, that the cause for most of these issues was having seperate departments essentially competing over the same thing. Clearly, merging is out of the question, but getting teams to work together more would help a lot.

I said a while back that Events/HxL need to work together more, and News/Content/Graphics do as well. I'm not sure what happened to the 'Guides' staff, but as people saw from the massive thread that was created on it, News and Content wanted it for themselves and didn't fancy working together (Even though content is pretty much a subset of News right now?).


[Inb4 people tell me 'WELL ITZ A GOOD FING U R NOT IN CHARGE!!11SHIFT]


If I was in charge, I would restructure everything, something like this:

Client Department (Events/HxL/HxHD)
Forum Department (Comps/Moderation/Debates)
Site Department (News/Content/Graphics/Guides/Rare Values)

It would make there be less managers, more staff would work with other staff. There would be no quotas, and no limits either. So if somebody wants to do X competitions a week, let them. Let it be a lot more fluid. Don't need quotas, simply give warnings to people that aren't putting in enough effort. Some people are bound to do more than others. And this doesn't mean, 'All events staff have to become DJs, all Graphics staff have to do Rare Values', but staff can easily do work for similiar departments then need be, rather than 4/5/6+ managers having to keep an eye on the same staff member.

Three managers, each with an assistant, so only 6 management positions. All report to the Community Manager, who reports to the General Manager. So essentially just 8 management positions, plus Jin and Sierk.


I really like this idea, split into separate sections. Like you said client, forum, site could work well if it was implemented well and the right management were chosen to run each of them. Most fansite's do tend to have Community Managers now which could also be interesting, ours is Mike. (Ours is just worded differently) but I do think the separate departments should be something looked at. That way it'd be less departments (less managers & assistants) more staff can be put into; Community, Forum, Site. :P

If it was structured properly, it could certainly work out well and get in the audience that Habbox are thriving for. :P

[Kardan]

I really like this idea, split into separate sections. Like you said client, forum, site could work well if it was implemented well and the right management were chosen to run each of them. Most fansite's do tend to have Community Managers now which could also be interesting, ours is Mike. (Ours is just worded differently) but I do think the separate departments should be something looked at. That way it'd be less departments (less managers & assistants) more staff can be put into; Community, Forum, Site. :P

If it was structured properly, it could certainly work out well and get in the audience that Habbox are thriving for. :P

As much as I'm glad you like my idea, it will never be implemented in a million years :P

Management barely want to do small changes like are being suggested here, so sadly a complete overhaul of how the staff departments work will never happen :P

[nvrspk4]

If I was in charge, I would restructure everything, something like this:

Client Department (Events/HxL/HxHD)
Forum Department (Comps/Moderation/Debates)
Site Department (News/Content/Graphics/Guides/Rare Values)

It would make there be less managers, more staff would work with other staff. There would be no quotas, and no limits either. So if somebody wants to do X competitions a week, let them. Let it be a lot more fluid. Don't need quotas, simply give warnings to people that aren't putting in enough effort. Some people are bound to do more than others. And this doesn't mean, 'All events staff have to become DJs, all Graphics staff have to do Rare Values', but staff can easily do work for similiar departments then need be, rather than 4/5/6+ managers having to keep an eye on the same staff member.

Three managers, each with an assistant, so only 6 management positions. All report to the Community Manager, who reports to the General Manager. So essentially just 8 management positions, plus Jin and Sierk.

Initially I was like O DAT GUD IDEA. And I don't think its an awful idea but, this was the initial intent of the AGM system (AGM for community and AGM for content, we had an AGM Forum for a while but then Seakitten left and it went vacant, then it became jrh and that went vacant). I don't think you can afford to have one manager for Events/Help Desk/HxL.

The other issue we ran into with Content/Community is the delineation. You call Comps a forum department but it largely depends on client rewards and is typically (or at least used to be) used to draw in client users to the forum. It was a big sell in that regard. Also is RV really site, since most of their work and work product revolves around the client. I guess the easy distinction is basing them upon where their work product appears but we found that it wasn't always possible to have the right skillset to manage all of those people. Additionally, I can tell you from experience dealing with both that it takes very different people to manage HxL and HxHD, Moderation and Comps, etc. This would bring us back to sub-managers for those branches, which is essentially the same as creating AGMs above the managers, just making people feel a little important which is actually a good thing.

[Aaron]

As much as I'm glad you like my idea, it will never be implemented in a million years :P

Management barely want to do small changes like are being suggested here, so sadly a complete overhaul of how the staff departments work will never happen :P

Oh I agree, wouldn't ever happen. Although something needs to be done, other fansites seem to be flowing with members on their forums/client-room(s) then you've got Habbox. They need to take a step in the right direction, not sure how though. :P

[Foregetfuhl]

Oh I agree, wouldn't ever happen. Although something needs to be done, other fansites seem to be flowing with members on their forums/client-room(s) then you've got Habbox. They need to take a step in the right direction, not sure how though. :P

To be honest I think it's pretty simple. Stop with the events that today Habbos just DO NOT play, you look at the games being played at the moment you will see. Host a site wide recruitment fair on Habbo alas getting the community involved and as a result build up the ever lacking international side that habbox has. At this point in time we are effectively pushing 2/3s of Habbo away because we simply don't acknowledge any other timezone as well as other fan sites. Personally on a HxL front we need to push community and stop DJs streaming and I'm purposely staying up half the night to tune in and get people to stop doing that. It's a matter of a push from the top down and it won't happen if little changes come here and there we need just radical changes to sort it out.

[Chippiewill]

As much as I'm glad you like my idea, it will never be implemented in a million years :P

Management barely want to do small changes like are being suggested here, so sadly a complete overhaul of how the staff departments work will never happen :P

I think an easier compromise would be to bring back the Content AGM, the content departments need better oversight. The only feedback I ever got back from General management when I was content manager was samanfa complaining about stuff. Frankly its not enough and upper management should not be solely reactionary.

In reality it's what everyone secretly wants anyway, everyone keeps going on about the departments working closer together but that's not going to happen unless someone takes responsibility for that.

[Kardan]

I think an easier compromise would be to bring back the Content AGM, the content departments need better oversight. The only feedback I ever got back from General management when I was content manager was samanfa complaining about stuff. Frankly its not enough and upper management should not be solely reactionary.

In reality it's what everyone secretly wants anyway, everyone keeps going on about the departments working closer together but that's not going to happen unless someone takes responsibility for that.

If people want the departments working closer together permanently, then something needs to be done.

Organising events that go across departments, e.g: Events/HxL won't do the job, because they might be working 'together', but each department will have their own objectives and stick to their side of the work.

No point saying 'Oh yeah, Content/Graphics/News worked on this project, when in reality, the Graphics department were stuck doing all the Graphics, Content team did all the content etc. and all the interaction they had was 'Here's the image, here's the news, here's the content'

Why doesn't Content have an AGM? Pretty much all the other departments do, don't they?

[Meanies]

If people want the departments working closer together permanently, then something needs to be done.

Organising events that go across departments, e.g: Events/HxL won't do the job, because they might be working 'together', but each department will have their own objectives and stick to their side of the work.

No point saying 'Oh yeah, Content/Graphics/News worked on this project, when in reality, the Graphics department were stuck doing all the Graphics, Content team did all the content etc. and all the interaction they had was 'Here's the image, here's the news, here's the content'

Why doesn't Content have an AGM? Pretty much all the other departments do, don't they?

There was the Content AGM role before but it got removed, can't remember the reason why though

[AgnesIO]

To be honest I think it's pretty simple. Stop with the events that today Habbos just DO NOT play, you look at the games being played at the moment you will see. Host a site wide recruitment fair on Habbo alas getting the community involved and as a result build up the ever lacking international side that habbox has. At this point in time we are effectively pushing 2/3s of Habbo away because we simply don't acknowledge any other timezone as well as other fan sites. Personally on a HxL front we need to push community and stop DJs streaming and I'm purposely staying up half the night to tune in and get people to stop doing that. It's a matter of a push from the top down and it won't happen if little changes come here and there we need just radical changes to sort it out.

Why don't you just record the shows lol Your are doing a volunteer role, whilst the enthusiasm is good I seriously suggest you don't go out of your way to fulfil it.

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Get events organisers who have furni (and if they don't, send them to a certain forum :rolleyes: Then they can make good events, lots of WIRED involved etc.

[Aaron]

To be honest I think it's pretty simple. Stop with the events that today Habbos just DO NOT play, you look at the games being played at the moment you will see. Host a site wide recruitment fair on Habbo alas getting the community involved and as a result build up the ever lacking international side that habbox has. At this point in time we are effectively pushing 2/3s of Habbo away because we simply don't acknowledge any other timezone as well as other fan sites. Personally on a HxL front we need to push community and stop DJs streaming and I'm purposely staying up half the night to tune in and get people to stop doing that. It's a matter of a push from the top down and it won't happen if little changes come here and there we need just radical changes to sort it out.

Agree with what you're saying. Habbox does need to focus more on the international side of Habbox, I do know we've got international managers that's great. What this site needs is maybe an international manager in general management, as all three are UK players. Even a international community manager could work, but I dunno how General Management would take that..

You shouldn't have to stay up through late nights having to listen to your DJ's, international DJ's should be attracting in the international players while they play through the UK nights. (Not sure how useful of a reply this is, I rarely do feedback).

Habbox need something like: General Manager > Assistant General Manager (Community) - International and European > not necessarily needed for the staff agm, but community more then ever. Would love to help/see Habbox spread out to the international players. :P

[Empired]

I think I'm gonna start with events because I think they have the most potential:

HFFM:
http://i.imgur.com/28Iy12i.png
Looking at their calender, they basically never have more than two of the same event in one day (not including trivia/quizzes, but trivia can be played in lots of different ways). I also notice that there are a number of events on there that look exciting and a couple that I haven't heard of before.

They have three or four slots left empty for today, which is to be expected. I don't think anyone expects fansites to host events 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Now let's look at Habbox's calendar:
http://i.imgur.com/oS5Urg9.png

We have ten empty slots today.. Ten hours out of twenty four are unbooked. Literally nothing looks interesting on here. I would not (and do not) want to go to a single one of these events.

Actually can we just ban Falling Furni, Fridge Races/Don't Get a Carrot and Don't Roll a *insert number here*? These kinds of events are like the event version of streaming if you're a DJ. They are dull, unattractive and not particularly exciting. For example, I counted eleven different games of Falling Furni over six days. Stop this madness, please.

HFFM has 61 events staff altogether. We have 22. I think part of the problem here is just that we don't have enough staff. Perhaps, instead of promoting to get more people to come to events, get more people to try and apply to events. Even if we doubled the number of events organisers, we wouldn't even be halfway to what HFFM has. Plus, more staff would mean more people to populate rooms for us which would make it a win-win situation.

I think perhaps we could try some really exciting weekly events as well. Or at least make our current weekly events sound more exciting. I'm looking on habbox.com and we have four. Four... And I have never even heard of three of them. Honestly, Events Dept, it's almost as if you don't want people to play the games you set up for us? And then you complain when two people turn up?

Oh that's another rant: I notice all some staff do is sitting in their room going "NO ONE IS COMING SO I MAY AS WELL JUST LEAVE NOW". If no one is at your event, there is probably a reason for this. Did it ever occur to you to try and advertise or something? This isn't aimed at every events staff. I notice some come into HxHD five minutes before their event and make sure everyone knows about it, which is great. But sitting there saying "well I told the DJ but they're not advertising.." is not an argument.

I feel like I should tag the events manager. @Bolt660 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55726); @Smurfed- (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=80910); (are they your names)

May as well tag the seniors as well. Don't even know what you do but: @Dilusionate (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=67954); @.Cymru. (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=81650);

One more thing: add international events staff please.

jesus christ my hands have worn down to stumps

[Mr-Trainor]

In regards to banning events mentioned above; Don't roll a X and Don't get a X are definitely boring. You have to wait ages for the dice/fridge to be given to you, and then it's just luck - during the time waiting it's so easy to just get bored and then leave, so I do agree that ones like that, despite being easy to build and run, should be disallowed or at least be discouraged.

[Jurv]

i don't really care for much in this thread but if it's unique/original events that are needed maybe it'd be an idea for management or seniors to set up a few rooms for staff to use. i remember me and mathew putting the idea to use when we were management but they were more for normal events like fallin' furni or whatever which is what you wanna try and stay away from as much as possible. i can't remember what we called the rooms but they did get used quite a bit, especially for people who only had enough furniture for prizes and still enjoyed hosting. obviously you'd have to decide what sort of events you'd be able to get away with, i'm not too sure how habbo works atm so i'm not sure if you'd be able to use wired but that's something you'd have to go through and decide before you think about making rooms

[FlyingJesus]

Was wondering why event rooms looked so cheap atm, apparently it's a "retro week" thing so looked that up and found

This year to celebrate Habbox and HabboxForum's Birthday, the Events Team have decided to take you into the TARDIS and travel back in time to the pre-beta days where you can re-experience both Habbo and Habbox during that time.

From the 24th - 30th June Habbox Events will be hosting games the way they used to be hosted back in the good ol' days. All events rooms will be themed using old school furniture and no wired will be used. Instead we'll be making use of one way gates and room reloading! As a result of this, our fixed weekly events such as 'Beat my Garden' will not be going ahead this week! How on earth will we cope without wired?
Which is a lovely idea but there's one small snag - absolutely nothing about these events are retro. One-way gates are relatively new and the rest of the furni in most of the rooms I've seen so far isn't anything that I'd consider retro, especially when we're talking about a decade of difference to Habbox.

It's not just events that are lacking though in terms of anniversary celebrations; there are 6 competitions running with vague relevance, the default skin has gone to classic (which doesn't affect anyone who manually chooses their skin ie: everyone), there are a handful of non-discussive threads open, and that's it as far as I can see. There is NOTHING on the main site about it, not even the shortest article or tagline mentioning it, and HxL is just HxL. Habbox has been around for 10 years and to say that the effort being put in to "celebrate" it is minimal would be more praise than necessary to be honest. This is a huge milestone and despite there being a number of dedicated staff around the place it seems that management as a whole is is just totally lacking - this is something that any well run fansite that claims to still be the best should be making a massive spectacle of with at least HxSS-esque work being put in and yet the biggest news of the week is that Justin Bieber drove away from paparazzi and Kardan doesn't want to get baptised. I've been unjustly accused in this thread of simply complaining where I've actually been giving suggestions, but you can now feel free to tell me that I'm moaning because now I am; this is an unjustifiably crap effort

[MKR&*42]

Was wondering why event rooms looked so cheap atm, apparently it's a "retro week" thing so looked that up and found

Which is a lovely idea but there's one small snag - absolutely nothing about these events are retro. One-way gates are relatively new and the rest of the furni in most of the rooms I've seen so far isn't anything that I'd consider retro, especially when we're talking about a decade of difference to Habbox.

They were classing anything as pre-beta as "retro". I think One Way Gates are more practical than forcing users to reload a room, and is certainly much easier for getting in/out VIP. But I do understand where you're coming from hence why I tried to make most of my room remotely classic (the skyscrapers and one way gates are the most recent things in there, but everything else is pre 2007 iirc?).

Also, I think some rooms are nice but most aren't massively different to normal rooms anyway? Forest walls and lodge corners are kinda common in events rooms anyway so there's no massive difference.
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I do kinda agree that the whole 10 years doesn't seem to have any kind of massive celebration. It just doesn't feel as enthusiastic as I would have expected that's all :P

[FlyingJesus]

Oh I was thinking beta as in back when I signed up lmao
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-k9EKF_CEbJY/T-4Xl08XDpI/AAAAAAAAB58/fhEfTAzTPJ0/s1600/habbo1.gif
2009 doesn't seem very retro shouldn't it be 2003 if we're celebrating 10 years :P everything done in mode bars and pods with red chequered walls and white crosshatching floors woo

[Martin]

I think I'm gonna start with events because I think they have the most potential:

HFFM:
http://i.imgur.com/28Iy12i.png
Looking at their calender, they basically never have more than two of the same event in one day (not including trivia/quizzes, but trivia can be played in lots of different ways). I also notice that there are a number of events on there that look exciting and a couple that I haven't heard of before.

They have three or four slots left empty for today, which is to be expected. I don't think anyone expects fansites to host events 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Now let's look at Habbox's calendar:
http://i.imgur.com/oS5Urg9.png

We have ten empty slots today.. Ten hours out of twenty four are unbooked. Literally nothing looks interesting on here. I would not (and do not) want to go to a single one of these events.

Actually can we just ban Falling Furni, Fridge Races/Don't Get a Carrot and Don't Roll a *insert number here*? These kinds of events are like the event version of streaming if you're a DJ. They are dull, unattractive and not particularly exciting. For example, I counted eleven different games of Falling Furni over six days. Stop this madness, please.

HFFM has 61 events staff altogether. We have 22. I think part of the problem here is just that we don't have enough staff. Perhaps, instead of promoting to get more people to come to events, get more people to try and apply to events. Even if we doubled the number of events organisers, we wouldn't even be halfway to what HFFM has. Plus, more staff would mean more people to populate rooms for us which would make it a win-win situation.

I think perhaps we could try some really exciting weekly events as well. Or at least make our current weekly events sound more exciting. I'm looking on habbox.com and we have four. Four... And I have never even heard of three of them. Honestly, Events Dept, it's almost as if you don't want people to play the games you set up for us? And then you complain when two people turn up?

Oh that's another rant: I notice all some staff do is sitting in their room going "NO ONE IS COMING SO I MAY AS WELL JUST LEAVE NOW". If no one is at your event, there is probably a reason for this. Did it ever occur to you to try and advertise or something? This isn't aimed at every events staff. I notice some come into HxHD five minutes before their event and make sure everyone knows about it, which is great. But sitting there saying "well I told the DJ but they're not advertising.." is not an argument.

I feel like I should tag the events manager. @Bolt660 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55726); @Smurfed- (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=80910); (are they your names)

May as well tag the seniors as well. Don't even know what you do but: @Dilusionate (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=67954); @.Cymru. (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=81650);

One more thing: add international events staff please.

jesus christ my hands have worn down to stumps


I make it 7 empty slots not 10? :P

Whilst I can see where you are coming from and whilst most of what you are saying makes sense- I don't think its right to compare like that all the time. A lot of the events are exactly the same that we host, and I wouldnt have any clue what "TBD" means on some of their events so I probably wouldn't go. :P

I think if we are GOING to make the comparison, then we are doing pretty fantastic if we have a third of the staff they do and we're still able to get a calendar with the majority of the slots filled each day. 7pm and 10pm dont appear to be booked on their calendar at that moment in time, and I would consider those peak slots for the BST timezone. I'm just saying there is always things to nit-pick at because nothing will ever be 100% perfect.


If you go back to last year on the calendar, we were hosting HALF the amount of events per day we do now. I really don't see what has actually gone downhill in terms of that, since we've been hosting more events into the night/early morning than we have in years.

One comment I agree with you on is quality and community interaction. Myself, Alex and Mike had a meeting about this last night and I can confirm that we're introducing something soon which should hopefully increase that aspect of things and create more of a community feel again.

Staffing is certainly something we can discuss, in terms of perhaps getting more staff. One problem we've always had with the international side of things, is as soon as you hire international staff, they end up hosting events in BST slots mostly, because they find that the slots in their timezone are too quiet. I think its one of those things where you have to keep going until they get popular but half the time it isnt even given chance.


I think staff from other departments could come to events and help populate rooms, even if its just for the first 10 minutes so the room goes up the rooms list on Habbo and the room gets populated with newbies etc. That would be a REAL team effort and the community coming together and stuff.



I think the feedback we're gaining from this thread is really useful and will certainly help in some ways- however I believe that some of the issues faced here are issues that have been faced on and off for years, and not all of it can be controlled easily, as there will always be something that slips. If you notice a particular events organiser doing something inappropriate or not paying attention to those in the room then thats a serious complaint and it would be looked into of course. I'm not sure why you say none of the events look interesting, because there's a good selection there imo and I guess different people have different tastes. :P

I'm not sure how full the helpdesk gets these days, but if there are plenty of people in there, I guess they could be sent on to events too, since I think advertising within the helpdesk could be better sometimes too in terms of getting people to tune in etc.



Overall we're taking all this on board, but its an awful lot to work out and solve, and some of it will NEVER be perfect.

[Phil]

I think I'm gonna start with events because I think they have the most potential:

HFFM:
http://i.imgur.com/28Iy12i.png
Looking at their calender, they basically never have more than two of the same event in one day (not including trivia/quizzes, but trivia can be played in lots of different ways). I also notice that there are a number of events on there that look exciting and a couple that I haven't heard of before.

They have three or four slots left empty for today, which is to be expected. I don't think anyone expects fansites to host events 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Now let's look at Habbox's calendar:
http://i.imgur.com/oS5Urg9.png

We have ten empty slots today.. Ten hours out of twenty four are unbooked. Literally nothing looks interesting on here. I would not (and do not) want to go to a single one of these events.

Actually can we just ban Falling Furni, Fridge Races/Don't Get a Carrot and Don't Roll a *insert number here*? These kinds of events are like the event version of streaming if you're a DJ. They are dull, unattractive and not particularly exciting. For example, I counted eleven different games of Falling Furni over six days. Stop this madness, please.

HFFM has 61 events staff altogether. We have 22. I think part of the problem here is just that we don't have enough staff. Perhaps, instead of promoting to get more people to come to events, get more people to try and apply to events. Even if we doubled the number of events organisers, we wouldn't even be halfway to what HFFM has. Plus, more staff would mean more people to populate rooms for us which would make it a win-win situation.

I think perhaps we could try some really exciting weekly events as well. Or at least make our current weekly events sound more exciting. I'm looking on habbox.com and we have four. Four... And I have never even heard of three of them. Honestly, Events Dept, it's almost as if you don't want people to play the games you set up for us? And then you complain when two people turn up?

Oh that's another rant: I notice all some staff do is sitting in their room going "NO ONE IS COMING SO I MAY AS WELL JUST LEAVE NOW". If no one is at your event, there is probably a reason for this. Did it ever occur to you to try and advertise or something? This isn't aimed at every events staff. I notice some come into HxHD five minutes before their event and make sure everyone knows about it, which is great. But sitting there saying "well I told the DJ but they're not advertising.." is not an argument.

I feel like I should tag the events manager. @Bolt660 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55726); @Smurfed- (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=80910); (are they your names)

May as well tag the seniors as well. Don't even know what you do but: @Dilusionate (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=67954); @.Cymru. (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=81650);

One more thing: add international events staff please.

jesus christ my hands have worn down to stumps

Hey, thanks for the feedback! I'll reply to each point separately.

To start, forgive me if I'm wrong but I only count 7 empty slots of 24 in the calender you showed which I don't think is too bad. HFFM only had four empty slots and while that is three more events than we had, they have three times more staff which yeah I know may be our fault but the department is definitely improving! I was manager at this time last year and to have a day with only 7 slot empty would be unheard of a year a year ago, it has come along way but it still has far to go.

I'm not replying to argue each point you made or to back up the department, I completely agree with what you said about not wanting to attend any of those events. I would honestly say that there are only three events listed there that I would go to and that HFFM do have much more interesting ones that would intrigue current and potential users. I also agree that games like "Don't Get a Carrot" and "Don't Roll a *Number*" should just be banned as the are both boring to play and lazy to host and I have approached management about it before! In saying that, I don't think it's necessary to ban games like "Falling Furni" and "Fridge Game" as FF does provide some skill and can be fun to play and people still enjoy Fridge Game as a luck game, it's not as boring especially when say the ice cream is used to p2k.

I can't say a lot about the amount of staff because I'm not a manager and I'm not involved with recruiting. Events staff applications are ALWAYS open, they just need to be advertised in events which isn't happening (I'll admit that even I don't think of doing it). Maybe it'd be beneficial to have some sort of staffing drive?

Weekly events is definitely something that we're pushing as much as possible in events and people are coming up with new ideas. It's not something that's at it's peak at the moment but it is improving. The main problem here is cost so it does take a bit of time to get it running. I've actually been working on one for about two months now at this stage and it's still not finished! It's almost there but there's still tweaking to do.

Unfortunately, it is the case that SOME events aren't as popular as we would like but it seems to be getting a bit better over the past month or so. Sometimes the events host can be doing as much as they can to get people down at their event but it's just not working! In saying that, there has been a lot of hours recently where to numbers in our events have been on par with HFFM. I don't believe I've ever seen anyone give up and actually leave their event because people aren't turning up. If you've witnessed it, we'd love to hear about it ;)

Thanks again for the feedback! :)

Phil x

EDIT:

Martin beat me to it :'(

[Martin]

Was wondering why event rooms looked so cheap atm, apparently it's a "retro week" thing so looked that up and found

Which is a lovely idea but there's one small snag - absolutely nothing about these events are retro. One-way gates are relatively new and the rest of the furni in most of the rooms I've seen so far isn't anything that I'd consider retro, especially when we're talking about a decade of difference to Habbox.

It's not just events that are lacking though in terms of anniversary celebrations; there are 6 competitions running with vague relevance, the default skin has gone to classic (which doesn't affect anyone who manually chooses their skin ie: everyone), there are a handful of non-discussive threads open, and that's it as far as I can see. There is NOTHING on the main site about it, not even the shortest article or tagline mentioning it, and HxL is just HxL. Habbox has been around for 10 years and to say that the effort being put in to "celebrate" it is minimal would be more praise than necessary to be honest. This is a huge milestone and despite there being a number of dedicated staff around the place it seems that management as a whole is is just totally lacking - this is something that any well run fansite that claims to still be the best should be making a massive spectacle of with at least HxSS-esque work being put in and yet the biggest news of the week is that Justin Bieber drove away from paparazzi and Kardan doesn't want to get baptised. I've been unjustly accused in this thread of simply complaining where I've actually been giving suggestions, but you can now feel free to tell me that I'm moaning because now I am; this is an unjustifiably crap effort


Whilst I can't comment on other departments so much, I will briefly explain whats going on in events. Yes- its not so much retro in the sense of going back to 2003 etc, but its basically just not using modern furniture from after 2009. There has been heaps of furniture ranges released in recent years, and I guess it was just to create a feeling of events before wired and stuff was around. Which I think in itself provides a really different feel. We have invited some previous events staff back as you may have noticed too, and they've been a great help during this week and its so nice to see them hosting again. Especially considering one was a senior and one was an agm. :P I know one way gates aren't majorly old but they were released in 2007 werent they along with the v11 rares release? I may be wrong, but I do feel they are old enough for this kinda thing without making it harderto get in and out of rooms etc. There's a forum award up for grabs for winning an event during this week (I'm not too sure how many people really use the awards system etc), and personally I've just loved the fact that the events organisers have got behind it and made such lovely rooms in a short amount of time as it was a real team effort. I know its not the most fabulous thing in the world, but coming from one department we just wanted to do something to celebrate the past a bit. In terms of overall celebrations stuff that would be down to general management since there's only so much one department can do without taking over I guess.


I agree that its awful that there is nothing on the site to celebrate, on the whole I feel like the site itself is kind of retro in the sense that it doesn't feel up to date or that informative anymore, I hate to say it but it feels a bit stale but that might just be me. :P I definitely think more should be done with the site and radio in terms of interactive things and keeping things fresh but thats another story.

[MKR&*42]

I think I'm gonna start with events because I think they have the most potential:

HFFM:
http://i.imgur.com/28Iy12i.png
Looking at their calender, they basically never have more than two of the same event in one day (not including trivia/quizzes, but trivia can be played in lots of different ways). I also notice that there are a number of events on there that look exciting and a couple that I haven't heard of before.

They have three or four slots left empty for today, which is to be expected. I don't think anyone expects fansites to host events 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Now let's look at Habbox's calendar:
http://i.imgur.com/oS5Urg9.png

We have ten empty slots today.. Ten hours out of twenty four are unbooked. Literally nothing looks interesting on here. I would not (and do not) want to go to a single one of these events.

Actually can we just ban Falling Furni, Fridge Races/Don't Get a Carrot and Don't Roll a *insert number here*? These kinds of events are like the event version of streaming if you're a DJ. They are dull, unattractive and not particularly exciting. For example, I counted eleven different games of Falling Furni over six days. Stop this madness, please.

HFFM has 61 events staff altogether. We have 22. I think part of the problem here is just that we don't have enough staff. Perhaps, instead of promoting to get more people to come to events, get more people to try and apply to events. Even if we doubled the number of events organisers, we wouldn't even be halfway to what HFFM has. Plus, more staff would mean more people to populate rooms for us which would make it a win-win situation.

I think perhaps we could try some really exciting weekly events as well. Or at least make our current weekly events sound more exciting. I'm looking on habbox.com and we have four. Four... And I have never even heard of three of them. Honestly, Events Dept, it's almost as if you don't want people to play the games you set up for us? And then you complain when two people turn up?

Oh that's another rant: I notice all some staff do is sitting in their room going "NO ONE IS COMING SO I MAY AS WELL JUST LEAVE NOW". If no one is at your event, there is probably a reason for this. Did it ever occur to you to try and advertise or something? This isn't aimed at every events staff. I notice some come into HxHD five minutes before their event and make sure everyone knows about it, which is great. But sitting there saying "well I told the DJ but they're not advertising.." is not an argument.

I feel like I should tag the events manager. @Bolt660 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55726); @Smurfed- (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=80910); (are they your names)

May as well tag the seniors as well. Don't even know what you do but: @Dilusionate (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=67954); @.Cymru. (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=81650);

One more thing: add international events staff please.

jesus christ my hands have worn down to stumps

I have complained about the lack of varied events and how they tend to be pure luck most of the time, it seems to have improved recently but I would hope more happens, because I agree that Don't roll/get... are just the laziest games for anyone to host and require so little interaction with people it's ridiculous.

[xxMATTGxx]

Was wondering why event rooms looked so cheap atm, apparently it's a "retro week" thing so looked that up and found

Which is a lovely idea but there's one small snag - absolutely nothing about these events are retro. One-way gates are relatively new and the rest of the furni in most of the rooms I've seen so far isn't anything that I'd consider retro, especially when we're talking about a decade of difference to Habbox.

It's not just events that are lacking though in terms of anniversary celebrations; there are 6 competitions running with vague relevance, the default skin has gone to classic (which doesn't affect anyone who manually chooses their skin ie: everyone), there are a handful of non-discussive threads open, and that's it as far as I can see. There is NOTHING on the main site about it, not even the shortest article or tagline mentioning it, and HxL is just HxL. Habbox has been around for 10 years and to say that the effort being put in to "celebrate" it is minimal would be more praise than necessary to be honest. This is a huge milestone and despite there being a number of dedicated staff around the place it seems that management as a whole is is just totally lacking - this is something that any well run fansite that claims to still be the best should be making a massive spectacle of with at least HxSS-esque work being put in and yet the biggest news of the week is that Justin Bieber drove away from paparazzi and Kardan doesn't want to get baptised. I've been unjustly accused in this thread of simply complaining where I've actually been giving suggestions, but you can now feel free to tell me that I'm moaning because now I am; this is an unjustifiably crap effort

Because it doesn't turn 10 until the 1st July, we have something for that but you will have wait to the actual birthday date for it.

[Empired]

I make it 7 empty slots not 10? :P

Whilst I can see where you are coming from and whilst most of what you are saying makes sense- I don't think its right to compare like that all the time. A lot of the events are exactly the same that we host, and I wouldnt have any clue what "TBD" means on some of their events so I probably wouldn't go. :P

I think if we are GOING to make the comparison, then we are doing pretty fantastic if we have a third of the staff they do and we're still able to get a calendar with the majority of the slots filled each day. 7pm and 10pm dont appear to be booked on their calendar at that moment in time, and I would consider those peak slots for the BST timezone. I'm just saying there is always things to nit-pick at because nothing will ever be 100% perfect.


If you go back to last year on the calendar, we were hosting HALF the amount of events per day we do now. I really don't see what has actually gone downhill in terms of that, since we've been hosting more events into the night/early morning than we have in years.

One comment I agree with you on is quality and community interaction. Myself, Alex and Mike had a meeting about this last night and I can confirm that we're introducing something soon which should hopefully increase that aspect of things and create more of a community feel again.

Staffing is certainly something we can discuss, in terms of perhaps getting more staff. One problem we've always had with the international side of things, is as soon as you hire international staff, they end up hosting events in BST slots mostly, because they find that the slots in their timezone are too quiet. I think its one of those things where you have to keep going until they get popular but half the time it isnt even given chance.


I think staff from other departments could come to events and help populate rooms, even if its just for the first 10 minutes so the room goes up the rooms list on Habbo and the room gets populated with newbies etc. That would be a REAL team effort and the community coming together and stuff.



I think the feedback we're gaining from this thread is really useful and will certainly help in some ways- however I believe that some of the issues faced here are issues that have been faced on and off for years, and not all of it can be controlled easily, as there will always be something that slips. If you notice a particular events organiser doing something inappropriate or not paying attention to those in the room then thats a serious complaint and it would be looked into of course. I'm not sure why you say none of the events look interesting, because there's a good selection there imo and I guess different people have different tastes. :P

I'm not sure how full the helpdesk gets these days, but if there are plenty of people in there, I guess they could be sent on to events too, since I think advertising within the helpdesk could be better sometimes too in terms of getting people to tune in etc.



Overall we're taking all this on board, but its an awful lot to work out and solve, and some of it will NEVER be perfect.

I can't count sorry :'( I had to rush this as well.

I seem you see you talking a lot about how we've drastically improved in the last year. This is great but not good enough? There is no such thing as perfection in things like this so we should always be striving to improve. Even if events are going swimmingly now, times are changing all the time and Habbos are constantly looking for new things. Instead of saying "we're doing well guys" it should be "we're doing well guys but let's try this". Don't get me wrong, I think events are doing pretty well but Habbox management (particularly managers of community departments) should always be on the lookout for new stuff. Forgive me if I'm wrong but I just don't see this happening. And if you attempt to say "stuf hapens behind da scenes uno111!!1!1one" (like I've been told by a manager before) this just is not good enough. One thing Habbos want is to see the changes for themselves. Otherwise we find ourselves just turning up to the same old events day in, day out.


Hey, thanks for the feedback! I'll reply to each point separately.

To start, forgive me if I'm wrong but I only count 7 empty slots of 24 in the calender you showed which I don't think is too bad. HFFM only had four empty slots and while that is three more events than we had, they have three times more staff which yeah I know may be our fault but the department is definitely improving! I was manager at this time last year and to have a day with only 7 slot empty would be unheard of a year a year ago, it has come along way but it still has far to go.

I'm not replying to argue each point you made or to back up the department, I completely agree with what you said about not wanting to attend any of those events. I would honestly say that there are only three events listed there that I would go to and that HFFM do have much more interesting ones that would intrigue current and potential users. I also agree that games like "Don't Get a Carrot" and "Don't Roll a *Number*" should just be banned as the are both boring to play and lazy to host and I have approached management about it before! In saying that, I don't think it's necessary to ban games like "Falling Furni" and "Fridge Game" as FF does provide some skill and can be fun to play and people still enjoy Fridge Game as a luck game, it's not as boring especially when say the ice cream is used to p2k.

I can't say a lot about the amount of staff because I'm not a manager and I'm not involved with recruiting. Events staff applications are ALWAYS open, they just need to be advertised in events which isn't happening (I'll admit that even I don't think of doing it). Maybe it'd be beneficial to have some sort of staffing drive?

Weekly events is definitely something that we're pushing as much as possible in events and people are coming up with new ideas. It's not something that's at it's peak at the moment but it is improving. The main problem here is cost so it does take a bit of time to get it running. I've actually been working on one for about two months now at this stage and it's still not finished! It's almost there but there's still tweaking to do.

Unfortunately, it is the case that SOME events aren't as popular as we would like but it seems to be getting a bit better over the past month or so. Sometimes the events host can be doing as much as they can to get people down at their event but it's just not working! In saying that, there has been a lot of hours recently where to numbers in our events have been on par with HFFM. I don't believe I've ever seen anyone give up and actually leave their event because people aren't turning up. If you've witnessed it, we'd love to hear about it ;)

Thanks again for the feedback! :)

Phil x

EDIT:

Martin beat me to it :'(

Um yeah, basically what I said above but..

Don't Get a Carrot and Don't Roll a 6 are by far the worst events I've been to. I disagree with the fridge game being exciting as well, but stuff like this is down to personal preference. I don't actually mind things like fridge races where you have to run up and then run back because that's slightly more exciting than a fridge just being passed around and the events organiser occasionally going "wd p2k" or "soz ex.it wivout the . plz".

Oh and while I'm on that subject I think it would be a good idea to remind your staff to type properly in events. I know in HxHD we are encouraged to type in full sentences with capital letters when helping users because it makes us look much more approachable and actually makes the fansite look better as a whole. I'm not sure if you have any rules or reminders on this but it drives me mad because it just makes Habbox look tacky. I know lots of EOs do type properly, but I've been to a couple of events where I practically need a decoder to decipher what the host is trying to say.. :P

okthx

[AgnesIO]

Whilst it is good you guys are trying to be unique with the "retro" games, I think the point is users like to play WIRED and modern games now.

I still think more "expensive" rooms will attract players, friendly hosts will attract players too. Try and use the same event rooms - that way you might get regulars to your events by asking people to "favourite" your room (you could then update the room name with the date of your next event, or call it www.habboxforum.com). Lastly, I feel it is essential for each host to REALLY advertise everything Habbox.

I don't mean to just talk about events, as I think that is unfair - as there are certainly other departments that could and should improve.

[Phil]

I can't count sorry :'( I had to rush this as well.

Don't Get a Carrot and Don't Roll a 6 are by far the worst events I've been to. I disagree with the fridge game being exciting as well, but stuff like this is down to personal preference. I don't actually mind things like fridge races where you have to run up and then run back because that's slightly more exciting than a fridge just being passed around and the events organiser occasionally going "wd p2k" or "soz ex.it wivout the . plz".

Oh and while I'm on that subject I think it would be a good idea to remind your staff to type properly in events. I know in HxHD we are encouraged to type in full sentences with capital letters when helping users because it makes us look much more approachable and actually makes the fansite look better as a whole. I'm not sure if you have any rules or reminders on this but it drives me mad because it just makes Habbox look tacky. I know lots of EOs do type properly, but I've been to a couple of events where I practically need a decoder to decipher what the host is trying to say.. :P

okthx

Okay I agree with Fridge Game but I don't think it's worth banning whereas the "Don't Get a WHATEVER's" are. You're right in saying that it's be better running up to the fridge. Personally, I hate how it gets passed around and if I were to host that game (which I haven't since I've returned) I'd let people run (probs just me being lazy ;)). I think Fridge Races is a much better adaption of Fridge Game especially when you add rollers because it adds an element of skill as well as luck.

I actually agree with what you said about typing properly. When I joined I know it was a rule in the handbook and I made sure to do it but I don't think it's there anymore.


Whilst it is good you guys are trying to be unique with the "retro" games, I think the point is users like to play WIRED and modern games now.

I still think more "expensive" rooms will attract players, friendly hosts will attract players too. Try and use the same event rooms - that way you might get regulars to your events by asking people to "favourite" your room (you could then update the room name with the date of your next event, or call it www.habboxforum.com (http://www.habboxforum.com)). Lastly, I feel it is essential for each host to REALLY advertise everything Habbox.

I don't mean to just talk about events, as I think that is unfair - as there are certainly other departments that could and should improve.

This is correct too! More expensive rooms do look better and are definitely more attractive. The difficulty with that is that it costs a lot of credits and it's unfair to ask events hosts to splash out on what they can't afford but we have a new system in place that may help that.

Same goes for wired stuff. Wired provides a fantastic opportunity for new and exciting games but it's very expensive. I'm working on a new weekly event atm and the wired for it cost around 130c before I even started on room decoration. There's also the whole 'coming up with the game' part which I personally find really difficult but I'm not very creative. Tyler was great for coming up with wired games, there was nothing like them. Hopefully we'll see something just as great in the near future.

[Chippiewill]

Why doesn't Content have an AGM? Pretty much all the other departments do, don't they?

There used to be a Content AGM, when the last content AGM left HotelUser took over in a different role as a Development AGM. Since David left Matt has been hesitant to appoint another Development AGM (Not that recursion would want that responsibility anyway), and seems to not care enough about the content departments to appoint a Content AGM which in my opinion is sorely needed as the content departments need some more oversight and TLC. The other upshot is it would add another person into the AGM mix so we might have someone capable of taking over from Matt at some point.

[mrwoooooooo]

Habbox needs a general manager who cares about the site

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[xxMATTGxx]

There used to be a Content AGM, when the last content AGM left HotelUser took over in a different role as a Development AGM. Since David left Matt has been hesitant to appoint another Development AGM (Not that recursion would want that responsibility anyway), and seems to not care enough about the content departments to appoint a Content AGM which in my opinion is sorely needed as the content departments need some more oversight and TLC. The other upshot is it would add another person into the AGM mix so we might have someone capable of taking over from Matt at some point.

Technically the role David has was never to cover the Content Departments like the previous Content AGM role. It was a separate and different role altogether. I forgot the reason why the owners got rid of the Content AGM role but I believe the word "pointless" was in the reason somewhere.

[Chippiewill]

I forgot the reason why the owners got rid of the Content AGM role but I believe the word "pointless" was in the reason somewhere.
I am puzzled as to why two people with such limited exposure to the fansite as a whole would even attempt to make such an assertion.

[xxMATTGxx]

I am puzzled as to why two people with such limited exposure to the fansite as a whole would even attempt to make such an assertion.

It's always been the owners who did any changes to the General Management Team. Although that doesn't give you a reason to what you have said but yeah.

[Chippiewill]

It's always been the owners who did any changes to the General Management Team.
In all honesty, the lines are so blurry I have serious doubts it really matters. In all honesty I'm slightly confused as to what the assistant general managers do at the moment, all I ever see Mike do is organise the lottery and organise the larger scale events, I know I'm not and have never been involved with a community facing department but it really doesn't seem like a lot. I'm not particularly aware of how much managing of a general nature Myke even does, assuming permission changes don't count, I could be incredibly wrong but I'd wager not much. A lot of people are complaining about stagnation on the department level and I think the primary cause is a general management which is in a sense completing minimums and not making department managers accountable for their work.

[xxMATTGxx]

In all honesty, the lines are so blurry I have serious doubts it really matters. In all honesty I'm slightly confused as to what the assistant general managers do at the moment, all I ever see Mike do is organise the lottery and organise the larger scale events, I know I'm not and have never been involved with a community facing department but it really doesn't seem like a lot. I'm not particularly aware of how much managing of a general nature Myke even does, assuming permission changes don't count, I could be incredibly wrong but I'd wager not much. A lot of people are complaining about stagnation on the department level and I think the primary cause is a general management which is in a sense completing minimums and not making department managers accountable for their work.

I think one idea that's been thrown about recently is to actually get rid of the "Staff AGM" role and change that to Content. Then all members of General Management do the role of Staff AGM.

[Samantha]

Bolt660; I believe 'TBD' means 'To Be Decided' :P.

I agree mainly with Empired;, but including more about the games hosted, it seems that by the time HxSS comes if it does we won't be doing anything different and still have bingo, ff etc. 3 times a day. It's good that you are doing something, but you have been allowing staff to get away with things that wouldn't have been allowed when I was in the department. Event Organisers should realise quick events aren't going to get more players, they just host the same game as the next event to try make them seem better it looks like when they're not. Your staff should know that they can't host a similar event one after another. If someone does FF and they need a quick event idea for the next hour and they wanted to do FF too at least try to make it different.

[Inseriousity.]

I got called Hitler by a department manager recently.

[cooped]

Just a couple of ideas which could help..

Get one of the popular groups (an army/The White house) involved in a department
This will bring more people to the forum and get more people involved with Habbox as a whole. The owners of these group rooms have the respect of dedicated Habbo users and I don't think any fansite has ever really bothered with them.

Lobby Habbo to do an official radio station
Staff get paid to run Habbo and I'm sure they could run a better radio station that's currently out there on fansites. An official Habbo station would showcase the best of each fansite and would be the breath of fresh air that the community needs right now. It will also bring fansites closer together which brings me onto my next point..

Co-Host Events with HFFM
Its time that Habbo fansites shared resources a bit more and started to have fun together on Habbo. I'm not saying merge forums but I think you should definitely merge some of your activities on Habbo so that you can get to know each other a little bit more. It'll be a strong united front for fansites.

This ten year anniversary
It should be about celebrating the friendships that have been made over the last ten years. Maybe everyone could write a piece on how these friends enriched their lives and it all gets posted on here on a certain day. It should be emotional rather than getting excited over graphics and all that other stuff..

[Shar]

I got called Hitler by a department manager recently.
I hate this. People calling each other names on a habbo fan site over difference of opinions. Terrible in general.

[MKR&*42]

I got called Hitler by a department manager recently.

Aw michael, I think Stalin would be better but I dunno. Only kidding x You don't seem that "hitleresque" ?

[Inseriousity.]

Oh I should've quoted Chippiewill's post lol. It was a reference to the implication that we don't hold departments accountable for their work.

[FlyingJesus]

Think Stalin would be Chippiewill with V7 as his Five Year Plan...

[Martin]

I got called Hitler by a department manager recently.

I didn't mean the Hitler thing, I'm sorry :'(


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[Chippiewill]

Oh I should've quoted Chippiewill's post lol. It was a reference to the implication that we don't hold departments accountable for their work.

To be honest, you could be just doing wonders and I'd have no clue, but if you are as involved as you imply you are then it just further points out the need for the content departments to have their own AGM. The department merge really did seem like a scream for some greater oversight and collaboration but frankly shoving each of the departments into their own sub-forum and pretending they're one department was not the right way to go about it.

[Inseriousity.]

As it was me who suggested the idea Matt posted earlier, I would agree for the need for a content AGM. I do not personally think it really needs a new person for it and it would be better to use what we have firing on all cylinders now that the staff AGM job has been diluted down to its role pre-Nixt (which I should probably clarify does not mean that I think Myke is bad at his job, he is doing what his job requires him to do and doing it well). I agree that the department merge could've been handled better but I do not think the blame solely lies with general management (although yes if we were to do it again, there are things we would do differently so we do have to take responsibility for that).

[Kardan]

Why don't we just get all Upper management, along with Department Managers and Assistants, and just do Habbox Apprentice, and fire them one by one.

Would clearly resolve everything.

[Martin]

Why don't we just get all Upper management, along with Department Managers and Assistants, and just do Habbox Apprentice, and fire them one by one.

Would clearly resolve everything.

Who would be Alan Sugar though? :P Jin?


I'm liking the idea about a content AGM. For me the balance worked best when there were three AGMs under the GM. I know perhaps these days there is less need for a staff AGM, but back then I guess it was more of a doninant role since the staff AGM would also look over the forum, and also had more responsibility over more staff rulebreaks, since these days super-mods can deal with the bulk of staff rulebreaks. The staff AGM would also organise staff events and bonding to boost morale, deal with issues with bullying and arguing with staff, which these days I've noticed department managers have a lot more responsibility for than they did previously. So as people have said, this role has basically slipped into a "Perms Editor" kind of role.

I'm not entirely sure what discussion at AGM level is like these days, but I know back in 2011 we would have regular meetings, discuss stuff on a regular basis and because we all had departments we were responsible for it ensured that each department was given the appropriate care and attention. For example I would overlook events, comps, Habboxlive, and helpdesk (and possibly rv at one point), Oli (or whoever was agm staff) would look after the forum, and the content agm would look after graphics, content and news etc. We'd do reports for those departments, have regular discussions with the managers of those departments and generally just oversee our section and feed back to each other/the GM so everyone was in the loop.

I think a content AGM would be extremely beneficial, especially with ensuring that the site is kept up to date and that jobs are being done to a high standard and that departments are working together and managers communicating and doing whats best for the community. With the site perhaps needing a bit of love and attention it does seem like a good time to have someone overseeing all this. I do like Mike's idea of perhaps Myke switching to this role and then all of general management doing perms (although I do worry that Mike will blow up the admin panel, or accidently give everyone super mod perms where they can see boobies and what not in the unnacceptables forum. Joking aside though I do feel it could work good. Communication is key, working as a team and sharing and working on ideas together and taking feedback and putting it into action. If we are going to be serious about advertising our sites, then we want them to be the best they can be and contain lots of user interactive content and things which make them want to stay.

[nvrspk4]

I'm announcing my coup d'etat effective immediately. All those who would flock to my banner report in by 21:00 hours.

This is my solution. In all seriousness, for the things that seem most promising discussions, might it not be best to spin off threads?

[Chippiewill]

I know perhaps these days there is less need for a staff AGM, but back then I guess it was more of a doninant role since the staff AGM would also look over the forum, and also had more responsibility over more staff rulebreaks, since these days super-mods can deal with the bulk of staff rulebreaks. The staff AGM would also organise staff events and bonding to boost morale, deal with issues with bullying and arguing with staff, which these days I've noticed department managers have a lot more responsibility for than they did previously. So as people have said, this role has basically slipped into a "Perms Editor" kind of role..
That's why I described it as doing minimums, Myke is doing his job and doing it well, but the staff AGM always used to do more. Love him or hate him, Hecktix was heavily involved around the forum and the community as the staff AGM.

[e5]

Is it me or is this thread slowly veering off-topic? We seem to be coming up with lots of a jokey ideas LOL :P

I too dont see the reason for a staff agm now since smods can do it all, if not all, they may aswell be allowed to now.

[Inseriousity.]

That's why I described it as doing minimums, Myke is doing his job and doing it well, but the staff AGM always used to do more. Love him or hate him, Hecktix was heavily involved around the forum and the community as the staff AGM.

It isn't Myke's fault, department management discussed and agreed to limit the staff AGM's role back when Danube was in the role so he's just following that. Putting it bluntly, I'm not certain the department management at the time appreciated Danube's heavy involvement or input so they limited his role as much as they could.

[Grig]

I have always disagreed with limiting the staff AGM's role. The Staff AGM was always considered the right hand man and his input into the community has always been positive. Take Garion for example, and even Oli despite him being hated by many, he put in a lot of dedication etc. It showed showed well on the AGM team that the whole team was active and putting 100% into Habbox and had a visible presence.

Furthermore, it used to be clear who has in charge of what, now God knows. The system was effective and efficient and it shouldn't have been removed in the first place, despite pressure.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Also, I did say a while back, that the cause for most of these issues was having seperate departments essentially competing over the same thing. Clearly, merging is out of the question, but getting teams to work together more would help a lot.

I said a while back that Events/HxL need to work together more, and News/Content/Graphics do as well. I'm not sure what happened to the 'Guides' staff, but as people saw from the massive thread that was created on it, News and Content wanted it for themselves and didn't fancy working together (Even though content is pretty much a subset of News right now?).


[Inb4 people tell me 'WELL ITZ A GOOD FING U R NOT IN CHARGE!!11SHIFT]


If I was in charge, I would restructure everything, something like this:

Client Department (Events/HxL/HxHD)
Forum Department (Comps/Moderation/Debates)
Site Department (News/Content/Graphics/Guides/Rare Values)

It would make there be less managers, more staff would work with other staff. There would be no quotas, and no limits either. So if somebody wants to do X competitions a week, let them. Let it be a lot more fluid. Don't need quotas, simply give warnings to people that aren't putting in enough effort. Some people are bound to do more than others. And this doesn't mean, 'All events staff have to become DJs, all Graphics staff have to do Rare Values', but staff can easily do work for similiar departments then need be, rather than 4/5/6+ managers having to keep an eye on the same staff member.

Three managers, each with an assistant, so only 6 management positions. All report to the Community Manager, who reports to the General Manager. So essentially just 8 management positions, plus Jin and Sierk.

Centralisation like that is a terrible idea, and only results in departments badly run. The truth is, those in rare values know best how to run the rare values on the site just as those in events know best how to run events - senior management in my experience in management has only served to impede and obstruct departments. One example is in the way 8Freak8 (General Manager at the time) attempted to meddle in what should have been a fairly simple process in moving the ione's Gifts into super rares where they belonged and which the department (and public) backed by a big margin - because of his meddling in the issue, he decided to put it to a public vote rather than just move them as I suggested and which resulted in the Samovar Crisis and the department blown apart.

The opposite needs to be done (and has in recent years) - departments should be as independent as possible rather than having people who have no experience in those said departments meddling in things they do not understand.

Who is better at running rare values on the site I ask? Samanfa or (and no offence intended) xxMATTGxxx, Chris or Inseriousity? ...just the same as you wouldn't put me incharge of the events department becasue I haven't a clue about it nor an active interest.


It isn't Myke's fault, department management discussed and agreed to limit the staff AGM's role back when Danube was in the role so he's just following that. Putting it bluntly, I'm not certain the department management at the time appreciated Danube's heavy involvement or input so they limited his role as much as they could.

Exactly, a passive and easy going senior management is best rather than having an overbearing and meddlesome senior management that keeps trying to interfere with departments of which it has little or no experience/interest in or of.

[Inseriousity.]

Too passive, however, and department managers do not push themselves. It's so much easier to a comfort zone rather than push yourself. The general principle though I can agree with.

[Chippiewill]

Exactly, a passive and easy going senior management is best rather than having an overbearing and meddlesome senior management that keeps trying to interfere with departments of which it has little or no experience/interest in or of.Senior management already ARE passive, zero feedback, zero interference. Department managers therefore have zero accountability. At least on the content side.

[Kardan]

Centralisation like that is a terrible idea, and only results in departments badly run. The truth is, those in rare values know best how to run the rare values on the site just as those in events know best how to run events - senior management in my experience in management has only served to impede and obstruct departments. One example is in the way 8Freak8 (General Manager at the time) attempted to meddle in what should have been a fairly simple process in moving the ione's Gifts into super rares where they belonged and which the department (and public) backed by a big margin - because of his meddling in the issue, he decided to put it to a public vote rather than just move them as I suggested and which resulted in the Samovar Crisis and the department blown apart.

The opposite needs to be done (and has in recent years) - departments should be as independent as possible rather than having people who have no experience in those said departments meddling in things they do not understand.

Who is better at running rare values on the site I ask? Samanfa or (and no offence intended) xxMATTGxxx, Chris or Inseriousity? ...just the same as you wouldn't put me incharge of the events department becasue I haven't a clue about it nor an active interest.



Exactly, a passive and easy going senior management is best rather than having an overbearing and meddlesome senior management that keeps trying to interfere with departments of which it has little or no experience/interest in or of.

Fair enough :) I just think that the central issue with staff is this lack of interaction, so by having staff departments even more seperated, you're limiting the chances to solve this.

And do you think content should split apart in that case? You could easily have a Habbox Content department (well, when V7 comes along I guess) and a Wiki Content Department, are they not different types of writing?

[FlyingJesus]

Needs to be a mix of both ideals - department managers being left to manage their own areas of expertise, but their seniors (AGMs) being tough on those managers to make sure that they are in turn being tough enough on their staff to make things happen. Of course, if the department managers are doing their job properly then it'll mean the AGMs won't need to get involved and can get on with whatever else they're needing to do - and if not then get rid of them, there are plenty of people around still who can work a management position

[Chippiewill]

And do you think content should split apart in that case? You could easily have a Habbox Content department (well, when V7 comes along I guess) and a Wiki Content Department, are they not different types of writing?
They are very different styles of writing and when I was content manager a lot of people left because they didn't want to do wiki stuff. Before I was content manager Zuth said he repeatedly asked to split them apart and now recently when I hear that Guides is now its own department I pleaded with Matt to move it to its own department. Still nothing.

[Kardan]

They are very different styles of writing and when I was content manager a lot of people left because they didn't want to do wiki stuff. Before I was content manager Zuth said he repeatedly asked to split them apart and now recently when I hear that Guides is now its own department I pleaded with Matt to move it to its own department. Still nothing.

I can't see how Guides can be it's own department away from Content if Wiki isn't.

Guides is definitely the same as normal site content, wiki isn't.

[xxMATTGxx]

They are very different styles of writing and when I was content manager a lot of people left because they didn't want to do wiki stuff. Before I was content manager Zuth said he repeatedly asked to split them apart and now recently when I hear that Guides is now its own department I pleaded with Matt to move it to its own department. Still nothing.

Hold on a minute. I said in the end that we should open up applications aimed specifically at the different content, so .com content and Wiki content and compare applications if it mentioned that they didn't have to do any other types of content work. Then we can determine about splitting it up.



I can't see how Guides can be it's own department away from Content if Wiki isn't.

Guides is definitely the same as normal site content, wiki isn't.

Wanted to attract people who know Habbo and still play it on a daily basis and are willing to create the guides. Putting it together would probably put them off if they had to do other content work.

[Kardan]

Hold on a minute. I said in the end that we should open up applications aimed specifically at the different content, so .com content and Wiki content and compare applications if it mentioned that they didn't have to do any other types of content work. Then we can determine about splitting it up.




Wanted to attract people who know Habbo and still play it on a daily basis and are willing to create the guides. Putting it together would probably put them off if they had to do other content work.

So does not putting wiki work with content put people off joining content?

Although I imagine content work on just Habbox.com is limited with V6 :P

[xxMATTGxx]

So does not putting wiki work with content put people off joining content?

Although I imagine content work on just Habbox.com is limited with V6 :P

It does. Which is why Tom did this: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=781109 to see if it would bring any interest for Habbox.com content to see if anyone would apply and didn't have to do any Wiki work. At the moment that's got 0 applications. So it could be a number of other reasons why it has 0 applications. Here are a few examples:

A) They like Wiki more. B) Management Reasons C) Not a lot of people like the content work etc etc etc.

The reason why I didn't decide to spilt the department straight away when Will mentioned it the other day was because I don't want the mess of what occurred with News/Content again. So first look into the problems and see other solutions before splitting them for good.

[Kardan]

It does. Which is why Tom did this: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=781109 to see if it would bring any intrest for Habbox.com content to see if anyone would apply and didn't have to do any Wiki work. At the moment that's got 0 applications. So it could be a number of other reasons why it has 0 applications. Here are a few examples:

A) They like Wiki more. B) Management Reasons C) Not a lot of people like the content work etc etc etc.

Ahh, good to see that.

I wouldn't say people like the wiki more, I'd just say that people are less likely to apply for the content department. It's a lot of hard work, and generally, I'd say that the content department probably has the highest average age of all departments? (Unless management counts :P)

And trying to hire older staff is quite a toughy :P

I have no complaints on this front then, if applications are open, you can't say you didn't try :)

[xxMATTGxx]

Ahh, good to see that.

I wouldn't say people like the wiki more, I'd just say that people are less likely to apply for the content department. It's a lot of hard work, and generally, I'd say that the content department probably has the highest average age of all departments? (Unless management counts :P)

And trying to hire older staff is quite a toughy :P

I have no complaints on this front then, if applications are open, you can't say you didn't try :)

That is very true, it can be hard work and take up a lot of time as well. Especially if it's a long piece of content as well. We'll see how it goes either way.

[e5]

Guides justifies having it owns forum because we have a tasks section and being mixed in with content just confuses everything. Guides section is cleaner and easier to see what needs to be done.

[Chippiewill]

Guides justifies having it owns forum because we have a tasks section and being mixed in with content just confuses everything. Guides section is cleaner and easier to see what needs to be done.

********, before the content merge the Wiki stuff had its own tasks section as a subforum.

[xxMATTGxx]

Guides justifies having it owns forum because we have a tasks section and being mixed in with content just confuses everything. Guides section is cleaner and easier to see what needs to be done.


********, before the content merge the Wiki stuff had its own tasks section as a subforum.

Not one of the best reasons I've seen but fair enough. It got the correct people hired into the department but hey ho.

[Kardan]

Guides justifies having it owns forum because we have a tasks section and being mixed in with content just confuses everything. Guides section is cleaner and easier to see what needs to be done.

What I never understand with Habbox Staff is why they can't seem to be able to read thread titles?

If you have a thread title saying 'Badge UK025', I'm pretty sure that's a clear indication that it's a thread for guides staff. Not that it matters about staff sub-forums or anything, just that seems like a pretty lame excuse why the sections are separated. The reason that people want to do guides and not do wiki is good enough for me.

[e5]

Yeah and im not saying that the wiki should have been merged either.

********, before the content merge the Wiki stuff had its own tasks section as a subforum.

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I'm not saying I don't want to do the Wiki, if doing the Wiki was part of being guides staff, i'd do it... I'm not fussy. If we got merged, I wouldn't complain either. I'm just saying that it's slightly easier having it's own forum and I don't see what issues it causes people, you can't see it? Like I said, it's just easier having a separate forum, but I have no doubt it will be merged at some point since all everyone does it moan about it

What I never understand with Habbox Staff is why they can't seem to be able to read thread titles?

If you have a thread title saying 'Badge UK025', I'm pretty sure that's a clear indication that it's a thread for guides staff. Not that it matters about staff sub-forums or anything, just that seems like a pretty lame excuse why the sections are separated. The reason that people want to do guides and not do wiki is good enough for me.

[Chippiewill]

I'm not saying I don't want to do the Wiki, if doing the Wiki was part of being guides staff, i'd do it

In many ways it should be. Part of the purpose of the wiki is archiving and it would be good to keep these guides somewhere organised for future reference.

[e5]

Yep. Think guides/wiki/content should all be seperate, but I still am not gonna complain if they're not, because there's no point. I agree with your point on the Wiki.

In many ways it should be. Part of the purpose of the wiki is archiving and it would be good to keep these guides somewhere organised for future reference.

[xxMATTGxx]

Yeah and im not saying that the wiki should have been merged either.


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I'm not saying I don't want to do the Wiki, if doing the Wiki was part of being guides staff, i'd do it... I'm not fussy. If we got merged, I wouldn't complain either. I'm just saying that it's slightly easier having it's own forum and I don't see what issues it causes people, you can't see it? Like I said, it's just easier having a separate forum, but I have no doubt it will be merged at some point since all everyone does it moan about it


In many ways it should be. Part of the purpose of the wiki is archiving and it would be good to keep these guides somewhere organised for future reference.

Problem is, you might be okay with doing it. But what about the rest? That's what happened during the News merge and also with the current Content department. Some are okay with it but then quite a lot of them weren't as well. I think if there was ever a *Dedicated* Wiki team then they should make sure about the Guides on Wiki for archive purposes if needed.

Although technically all three are managed by the same person. Do you want different managers? :P

[Chippiewill]

Problem is, you might be okay with doing it. But what about the rest? That's what happened during the News merge and also with the current Content department. Some are okay with it but then quite a lot of them weren't as well. I think if there was ever a *Dedicated* Wiki team then they should make sure about the Guides on Wiki for archive purposes if needed.
tbh its really not difficult to copy the posting you make on habbox.com to the wiki. Pretty certain I could set it up on V7 so that its automated.

[e5]

Thats the exact problem, you can never please everyone Matt :P But that's life, noone gets everything their way and if management anywhere say this is what is happening, then staff have to put up for it, if they want the job. Yes i understand it's not a paid job like irl and noones pressured to do it 'cos they need the money (:L) but up to a point, what management says goes. can't please everyone :P


Problem is, you might be okay with doing it. But what about the rest? That's what happened during the News merge and also with the current Content department. Some are okay with it but then quite a lot of them weren't as well. I think if there was ever a *Dedicated* Wiki team then they should make sure about the Guides on Wiki for archive purposes if needed.

[xxMATTGxx]

tbh its really not difficult to copy the posting you make on habbox.com to the wiki. Pretty certain I could set it up on V7 so that its automated.


Then you have the argument of they didn't sign up to do Wiki. Sure make it easier by automation but unfortunately we don't have V7 at this moment as you know :P

[e5]

Thats the exact problem, you can never please everyone Matt :P But that's life, noone gets everything their way and if management anywhere say this is what is happening, then staff have to put up for it, if they want the job. Yes i understand it's not a paid job like irl and noones pressured to do it 'cos they need the money (:L) but up to a point, what management says goes. can't please everyone :P


Problem is, you might be okay with doing it. But what about the rest? That's what happened during the News merge and also with the current Content department. Some are okay with it but then quite a lot of them weren't as well. I think if there was ever a *Dedicated* Wiki team then they should make sure about the Guides on Wiki for archive purposes if needed.

[xxMATTGxx]

Thats the exact problem, you can never please everyone Matt :P But that's life, noone gets everything their way and if management anywhere say this is what is happening, then staff have to put up for it, if they want the job. Yes i understand it's not a paid job like irl and noones pressured to do it 'cos they need the money (:L) but up to a point, what management says goes. can't please everyone :P

Until the manager of that department has second thoughts and don't really likes the idea ;)

[Chippiewill]

what management says goes. can't please everyone :P
And indeed that's what (Somehow successfully) happened with the content department frequently switching between everyone doing Haabbox.com content to everyone doing wiki content.

[e5]

I was implying your decision, not department managers, because there needs to be an overall decision made!

Until the manager of that department has second thoughts and don't really likes the idea ;)

[Inseriousity.]

I think the whole point of the guides was that they're supposed to be short and snappy whereas working on the wiki/content pages requires more polish. We needed Habbo addicts, people who are on the ball with new updates and getting the answers before everyone else. That was the purpose of the guides staff and we did not want those same addicts put off from writing those short articles because on top of that, they'd have to write longer pieces.

I'm a bit confused by your request to have wiki and .com seperate. Forums and titles are all official titles designed for structure and identification but they are not the be all and end all if a department manager feels the need to seperate the two unofficially.

[e5]

I think the whole point of the guides was that they're supposed to be short and snappy whereas working on the wiki/content pages requires more polish. We needed Habbo addicts, people who are on the ball with new updates and getting the answers before everyone else. That was the purpose of the guides staff and we did not want those same addicts put off from writing those short articles because on top of that, they'd have to write longer pieces.

I'm a bit confused by your request to have wiki and .com seperate. Forums and titles are all official titles designed for structure and identification but they are not the be all and end all if a department manager feels the need to seperate the two unofficially.Oh great I'm an addict now cos I beat habbo secrets to a guide LOL. I don't find myself on enough or find myself wanting to make time to do longer work, which is why guides was good for me cos I enjoy writing and loved news but found myself resigning all the time as I didn't feel I could be dedicated enough, even as much as I like to write!

[Inseriousity.]

Wear it with pride, addict and proud (could write a guide how to get it if you want ;)) :D

[e5]

Wear it with pride, addict and proud (could write a guide how to get it if you want ;)) :D

I would if you could get a badge from it :'(

[Mr-Trainor]

It probably does, based on that green/red arrow. That's good :) Tried looking for a few pages now that include the date and can't find any, so there's only a few :P Wrong for me to assume that it applied to all pages :)
I know this was a few days ago, but I just found the Typewriter page had the automatically updated value at the end of the paragraph and a written value at the beginning which was outdated (I've removed it now). But also, on the Dragon Egg page the 'decreasing' part is written in plain text and hasn't changed to 'increasing' - is there any code you can write to actually do that automatically? If not then it should probably be removed :P.

Also, on this page: http://habboxwiki.com/Portal:Furni
all the links at the bottom take me to a list of furni ranges rather than the one you've clicked on?

[Chippiewill]

Also, on this page: http://habboxwiki.com/Portal:Furni
all the links at the bottom take me to a list of furni ranges rather than the one you've clicked on?

Someone didn't do the links properly, I'll fix that now.

[Lewis]

I've only read the first two pages out the twenty, but anyway...

I agree about the events. All they do is say the rules and then there's fifteen minutes of silence until that game starts and repeat. Rarely do I even see them advertise Habbox other than wired messages or room descriptions. I also half agree about Wiki, half don't agree. I've seen few, but only very few, badly written Wiki Articles. I don't have any reason to use the HxWiki anyway.

News. I didn't even know that still existed until last week (maybe a few weeks ago) when I accidently stumbled across @Intersocial (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=86637);'s news report. I think that news should be advertised more, given a link to it on HxF etc.

Moderators. Most moderators are good, but some really need to learn the rules themselves and do things a bit more faster and correctly.

Rare Values. I use the marketplace, but I've seen that they are now using decimals for things such as VIP (now HC) Sofas. This is good. But from when I used to work in the rare values department, what most staff did was just copy what they saw in the MP @Inkwell (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=88462);). In my own opinion this doesn't really get much done :P

I don't know about graphics, content etc, except that they better get V7 done ASAP!!!

[Kardan]

I must applaud the events team for their new events lately!

Instead of the usual Bingo, or Team Bingo, we now have Teams of 3 Bingo! Genius!

[e5]

Events are getting better at advertising, but I can't say the events are becoming anymore original :L

[AgnesIO]

I must applaud the events team for their new events lately!

Instead of the usual Bingo, or Team Bingo, we now have Teams of 3 Bingo! Genius!

Post of the year ^^^

This really is the issue, Habbo event ideas are absolutely ****.

[Kardan]

Post of the year ^^^

This really is the issue, Habbo event ideas are absolutely ****.

Quite the contrary, I think this is definitely the way forward.

Think of all the possibilites we could have by multiplying events by 3.

Don't hit my wall 3 times! Or don't let yourself and your two team-mates hit the wall!

Don't get 3 carrots in a row! Imagine how much fun that would be!

Addition... Times 3! Add up all the numbers on the holodice and then multiply by 3! What a unique game, I can't believe Habbox hasn't tried that yet.

[FlyingJesus]

Don't hit my wall 3 times! Or don't let yourself and your two team-mates hit the wall!

You laugh but I have seen "there and back" played in hx pod races when the host doesn't have many people visiting, as well as a sort of "doubles" pod racing game done with logs so you're not far off

[Kardan]

You laugh but I have seen "there and back" played in hx pod races when the host doesn't have many people visiting, as well as a sort of "doubles" pod racing game done with logs so you're not far off

Are you sure it wasn't because the hosts best friend did/did not* hit the wall first, so turned it into there and back :P

*Depending if it's Don't hit the wall/Pod racing

[Yawn]

good feedback

Edited by Lee (Forum Super Moderator): Do not create pointless posts.

[FlyingJesus]

Soooooooo I was essentially told by Matt to shut up and wait when I said that it's rubbish how we're doing next to nothing extra to celebrate a decade of Habbox, but now the day has come and gone and the only thing that happened was a couple of comps and a few extra tokens - hardly the bonanza that I for one would expect from a site that has half a million staff and claims to be that best. I was "shut down" with

Because it doesn't turn 10 until the 1st July, we have something for that but you will have wait to the actual birthday date for it.

but apparently I blinked and missed the big event. HFFM meanwhile are currently hosting 3 events at the same time that are more popular than the single Habbox one and have apparently launched a Summer Games event. When Habbox can't even be bothered to celebrate its own decennial it's no wonder that the place is going to pot faster than a tourist in Amsterdam

[Inseriousity.]

It got postponed, sadly :(

[Kardan]

It got postponed, sadly :(

Have to wait for the 20th anniversary now :@

[AgnesIO]

Have to wait for the 20th anniversary now :@

You really are in your element in this thread haha

Hx needs a massive events thing this summer, to wipe out all previous HxSS. And event organisers should get sacked if they don't promote Hx at the start and mid games

[FlyingJesus]

Is it gonna happen when V7 gets released then

[AgnesIO]

Is it gonna happen when V7 gets released then

You're being far too ambitious.

[FlyingJesus]

lmao I know, it'll probably just get merged with HxSS and pretend that was the plan all along

[Mr-Trainor]

Maybe v7 was the big thing that was planned :O.

[Inseriousity.]

Anniversary events

Murder mystery. Sadly not the big success I'd hoped it would be but that's the risk you take when you try to think outside the box and do something different than just another tournament. The plot had a link to the Habbox anniversary and it is part of the story. It also references Jin and Sierk's trip to the Northern lights and the whole 'are they a couple?' joke that only old Habboxers would get.

Retro week - Events department went back in time with their event rooms and hosted events as they would've been hosted by events organisers of old.

HxHD layout - Changed to an older version.

Forum Balloon Hunt - Balloons hidden round a forum.

Habbox Quiz - Quiz about Habbox history.

Happy Hour - Extra tokens twice on the anniversary

Competitions - Using old recurring competitions from the past.

HxL - Past DJs returning

Retro site - Old site with the old Habbox games on it

[Kardan]

Is it gonna happen when V7 gets released then

Exactly, so we have to wait for the 20th anniversary :@

[Samantha]

Anniversary events

Murder mystery. Sadly not the big success I'd hoped it would be but that's the risk you take when you try to think outside the box and do something different than just another tournament. The plot had a link to the Habbox anniversary and it is part of the story. It also references Jin and Sierk's trip to the Northern lights and the whole 'are they a couple?' joke that only old Habboxers would get.

Retro week - Events department went back in time with their event rooms and hosted events as they would've been hosted by events organisers of old.

HxHD layout - Changed to an older version.

Forum Balloon Hunt - Balloons hidden round a forum.

Habbox Quiz - Quiz about Habbox history.

Happy Hour - Extra tokens twice on the anniversary

Competitions - Using old recurring competitions from the past.

HxL - Past DJs returning

Retro site - Old site with the old Habbox games on it

There was also a free lottery, a news report, an announcement, a forum dedicated just for the anniversary etc.

I suppose we could have just done nothing, that would have probably got more complaints than doing something. A fair amount of things were planned though :P.