News integration on forum

[Zelda]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=7865191#post7865191
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=774133&p=7866151#post7866151

for more details about this stuff

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basically just asking for opinions on whether people are for/against the idea and how they would want it integrated and done. Already have a plethora of ideas discussed with some people but the extra feedback would be really useful, to see if it is worth doing etc.

[Grig]

It would be awkward in the sense that an article would be posted one or two days before news and then it'll look like news are behind. You do that, you're in the spotlight and would need to speed up, otherwise it'll be a major fail.

I am for it, as long as it's done quickly. Yet, the problem will be that there would always be people who beat news and I predict this. We had a bot years ago, but no one cared, so it may be a similar situation. The bot basically duplicated reports onto the forum.

[lawrawrrr]

Duplicate threads look messy. Especially if there's a massive delay in getting the news article out. That's always been my view anyway, especially when it comes to Habbo news...

[Samantha]

The best I think could be to post the full report in the same thread if it's already been posted, if it hasn't like this one I have just done: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=781447&p=7944880#post7944880 I think it might work more?

I'm not too sure though as the formatting might also be different, could be harder to edit if you don't do it quickly etc. too as it's twice the editing and you'd have to get someone to do it for you maybe?

[e5]

The full article shouldn't be posted in the forum, because that deters people away from the main site.

What I suggested before as this: (using sams report as an example and in quotes so can be seen easier)





New handitems were found late last week and now codes revealing that a new rare purchasable with buying Credits will be released soon.

A Candy Machine Rare will be available until the 2nd July, but at the moment it's unknown when this will actually be; as the 2nd is Tuesday it looks like a weekend release is on the cards. Currently, images have yet to be uploaded to the Habbo servers, and all we have are the codes which are below.

Click here for the full news report (http://habbox.com/#!/News/article/1864)
http://www.habbox.com/assets/images//2013/06/24/PfbAQ.png

And this should be posted exactly the same time as it is to the habbox site. I don't understand what people are on about with the delay?

So basically, post the short story, and maybe an image (obviously do it better than I did) and then a link to the full story on the site. The opening short story needs to be attention grabbing to make users want to go onto Habbox to read the full report. The forums should be non-repliable(word?) too so that attention isn't taken away from the news and rumours section. None of the bot crap.

[Samantha]

The full article shouldn't be posted in the forum, because that deters people away from the main site.

What I suggested before as this: (using sams report as an example and in quotes so can be seen easier)




And this should be posted exactly the same time as it is to the habbox site. I don't understand what people are on about with the delay?

So basically, post the short story, and maybe an image (obviously do it better than I did) and then a link to the full story on the site. The opening short story needs to be attention grabbing to make users want to go onto Habbox to read the full report. The forums should be non-repliable(word?) too so that attention isn't taken away from the news and rumours section. None of the bot crap.

Why shouldn't people be able to reply to it? If you do that then you're not helping news you're basically stopping people commenting on reports when they could just as easily on the forum; they're not going to bother going on the site and commenting when they can reply to the thread in news and rumours?

[e5]

It's basically gonna be a case of duplicate threads that people reply in though. One thread with your news report, and another with a user posting it = 2 discussions. I thought the idea of this integration was for people to read habbox news reports on the forum, then if they want to read more, send them to the habbox site, where they can comment there... when i was in news we were credited for the amount of people that commented on our news reports.

I'll be so annoyed if this happens and it's done stupidly.

Why shouldn't people be able to reply to it? If you do that then you're not helping news you're basically stopping people commenting on reports when they could just as easily on the forum; they're not going to bother going on the site and commenting when they can reply to the thread in news and rumours?

[FlyingJesus]

It would be awkward in the sense that an article would be posted one or two days before news and then it'll look like news are behind. You do that, you're in the spotlight and would need to speed up, otherwise it'll be a major fail.

If news staff take days to copy a thread onto the site they have no right to pretend they're journalists of any sort :P


I am for it, as long as it's done quickly. Yet, the problem will be that there would always be people who beat news and I predict this. We had a bot years ago, but no one cared, so it may be a similar situation. The bot basically duplicated reports onto the forum.

People getting there before staff shouldn't be an issue - there's no reason why the threads linked to through the site necessarily have to be started by the articles staff. If user_5273 makes a thread about the release of a new duck on Habbo staff can still write their own blurb for the site and then the read more link can just be written as "See what other users think of this matter and give your opinion here" or something. There's currently a grand total of 5 people who've commented on articles this month, mostly staff, with a massively more significant number of people involved in threads on the same topics on the forum. Either the two need to be linked or news is totally dead as a department


Duplicate threads look messy. Especially if there's a massive delay in getting the news article out. That's always been my view anyway, especially when it comes to Habbo news...

That's lovely but I'm not sure where you got the idea of duplicate threads from - if anything this would stop them as it would give one definitive place for discussion about a certain issue to take place where we currently have a nonsensical split between site and forum. Again, if news staff are doing their jobs there shouldn't be a huge delay, and again that's an issue that's faced by the team currently anyway


So basically, post the short story, and maybe an image (obviously do it better than I did) and then a link to the full story on the site. The opening short story needs to be attention grabbing to make users want to go onto Habbox to read the full report. The forums should be non-repliable(word?) too so that attention isn't taken away from the news and rumours section. None of the bot crap.

We're trying to get people to be involved in the news stories not shut them out by putting taglines in closed forums so no-one can discuss anything :P you said that you don't want attention taken away from the news&rumours section, so why could "official" Hx news threads not just be posted there and then allow for discussion to take place? The point of having the comments and such on the forum rather than the site is that hardly anyone uses the site comments section and anyone who reads the site news and does want to comment will then come here and become part of the community to do so

I don't have anything against threads with a link to the site such as the example you posted (and that could be good for building traffic both ways), but making it so that people can't talk in them takes away from the entire point, and would be an exact replica of the old bot system which no-one liked

[AlexJRiley]

I think if you're going to integrate it into the thread then you need to delay thread release to coincide with whats going on on habbox. I know that theres a few days delay with whats published on habbox (which needs to be sped up because by then its old news) so if you did that it would be far more efficient.

[Samantha]

I think if you're going to integrate it into the thread then you need to delay thread release to coincide with whats going on on habbox. I know that theres a few days delay with whats published on habbox (which needs to be sped up because by then its old news) so if you did that it would be far more efficient.

You haven't read in a while then as Intersocial; will always post the news just over a day afterwards if needs be (that's if no one else takes it) whereas other times we usually beat the forum and other fansites.

[MKR&*42]

Oh hai interesting thread.

Yeah news reporters are certainly getting quicker and we do try and beat forum users to posting news, it's definitely becoming a more common thing - e.g. these are just a few from past 30 days:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=778708
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=781451
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=781447
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=781271
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=780855
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=780994
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=780470
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=779491
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=779172
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=780402
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=780317
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=779777
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=779692
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=779101


(massive thank you to Sam for being so quick on rumours as well :P)

And all of these could have been written on the site first too as a news reporter originally posted them (yeah all me):

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=779167
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=780406
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=779167
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=779387
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=781419

Delay is still an issue for some and some forum users are bound to post news before us now and then, but we do try and get exciting rumours/latest furni etc. out there quick and I can't see a big issue with news-forum integration. The only thing I would do would impose a time limit - e.g. if someone else has made a thread about X and a news reporter goes to write about X, they must write about it within a certain amount of time or it's pointless.

I've been strongly for forum integration for so long and it's a shame it's taken so long to actually come about.

[Chippiewill]

One upshot of integrating news is that it would pressure news staff to get the stories out faster.

[e5]

If news staff take days to copy a thread onto the site they have no right to pretend they're journalists of any sort :P



People getting there before staff shouldn't be an issue - there's no reason why the threads linked to through the site necessarily have to be started by the articles staff. If user_5273 makes a thread about the release of a new duck on Habbo staff can still write their own blurb for the site and then the read more link can just be written as "See what other users think of this matter and give your opinion here" or something. There's currently a grand total of 5 people who've commented on articles this month, mostly staff, with a massively more significant number of people involved in threads on the same topics on the forum. Either the two need to be linked or news is totally dead as a department



That's lovely but I'm not sure where you got the idea of duplicate threads from - if anything this would stop them as it would give one definitive place for discussion about a certain issue to take place where we currently have a nonsensical split between site and forum. Again, if news staff are doing their jobs there shouldn't be a huge delay, and again that's an issue that's faced by the team currently anyway



We're trying to get people to be involved in the news stories not shut them out by putting taglines in closed forums so no-one can discuss anything :P you said that you don't want attention taken away from the news&rumours section, so why could "official" Hx news threads not just be posted there and then allow for discussion to take place? The point of having the comments and such on the forum rather than the site is that hardly anyone uses the site comments section and anyone who reads the site news and does want to comment will then come here and become part of the community to do so

I don't have anything against threads with a link to the site such as the example you posted (and that could be good for building traffic both ways), but making it so that people can't talk in them takes away from the entire point, and would be an exact replica of the old bot system which no-one liked

I agree kinda that users should be allowed to comment but were gonna see like 2 threads on the same topic and it's gonna be all over the place

[FlyingJesus]

Where are these 2 threads coming from?

[MKR&*42]

Where are these 2 threads coming from?

I think he means that a normal forum user will post a thread concerning X furniture item (for example) and a staff member would then write an article concerning X furniture item also, which would result in 2 threads on the same topic. I'm sure someone in this thread discussed that problem though? No?

[FlyingJesus]

If staff are beaten to news by Joe Average then that's their fault tbh :P but I don't see the issue with linking to someone else's thread if that's the one that has the discussion in it - these threads aren't needing to be in a special staff-only area so having a site article that says

blah blah happened to a blah

blah blah blah Bob Loblaw's law blog blah blah see the discussion about this and take part here

with the "here" link being to someone else's thread would work fine. Takes nothing away from the staff role and actually makes it easier in some cases

[e5]

Oh and can I also suggest news reporters carry on doing what intersocial did and if it's a report about a badge room that they link to the guides as that needs as much promotion as possible to succeed

[xxMATTGxx]

So basically do what Samanfa and Intersocial already do but make it part of the News Reporters role. If there is a thread about it already, post in the actual thread rather than creating a new thread. I've got that all correct, right?

[FlyingJesus]

If what Sam and Warden already do is put links in their articles to a relevant forum thread, then yyyyyyyyyup

[xxMATTGxx]

If what Sam and Warden already do is put links in their articles to a relevant forum thread, then yyyyyyyyyup

I don't believe they do at the moment but I meant them posting threads with a link to the article. But got you on the thread links in article business.

[FlyingJesus]

So talking to Inkwell; today he believes that all the feedback on this idea was negative. From what I can see the only negative feedback was people who didn't originally understand what was being proposed, and that otherwise there were only seen to be good things to come from this. It's been months and months since this was first given the go-ahead by Matt and all feedback from people who've actually read and understood it (including news staff and management) points to it being worthwhile, yet today I was told that in the anonymous news feedback that no-one ever saw a few people said they read news but don't use the forum and that in the manager's eyes is reason enough to completely do away with plans to bring the community closer and make discussion on news articles something that actually occurs.

It requires no coding and very little extra effort on the part of staff, and would not only potentially bring new people to the forum but (importantly, if news is to carry on claiming that it's a real department) get more people reading the articles and having discussions about them. We don't have compulsory registration on the forum so anyone who just wants to read and not join in can still do so, there is literally no reason not to go ahead with this other than management stalling because it means doing some work

[xxMATTGxx]

So talking to Inkwell; today he believes that all the feedback on this idea was negative. From what I can see the only negative feedback was people who didn't originally understand what was being proposed, and that otherwise there were only seen to be good things to come from this. It's been months and months since this was first given the go-ahead by Matt and all feedback from people who've actually read and understood it (including news staff and management) points to it being worthwhile, yet today I was told that in the anonymous news feedback that no-one ever saw a few people said they read news but don't use the forum and that in the manager's eyes is reason enough to completely do away with plans to bring the community closer and make discussion on news articles something that actually occurs.

It requires no coding and very little extra effort on the part of staff, and would not only potentially bring new people to the forum but (importantly, if news is to carry on claiming that it's a real department) get more people reading the articles and having discussions about them. We don't have compulsory registration on the forum so anyone who just wants to read and not join in can still do so, there is literally no reason not to go ahead with this other than management stalling because it means doing some work

Sounds like management are stalling or don't have a clue how it works again considering what has just been said on skype.

Edit: Sorted it. Inkwell/Tom should be doing something about it now.

[Grig]

I have always been for the idea, as long as the site articles remain with not glitches and are identical, i.e. doesn't post multiple threads of the same news article like it did when we had the bot, which was completely different. It should have the forum aspect and would be great. My only issue is that the department will be a step too slow and that people on the forum would post news two times quicker than the department. The only ways to counter this is either doing news much quicker or making it more detailed, which isn't only the case because quite often you would get people paraphrasing stuff.

Those concerns aside, I've always been for implementing this idea (albeit for a trial basis initially), as it's popular on other fansites and would make news from the department read by a greater audience.

[Zelda]

Basically what we have decided on is that there will be links to the habbo news & rumours threads on the articles for each of the reports and telling people to visit etc (making threads ourselves if there aint already one)

[Lewis]

Basically what we have decided on is that there will be links to the habbo news & rumours threads on the articles for each of the reports and telling people to visit etc (making threads ourselves if there aint already one)

I've honestly never seen the point of reading habbo news when we have it on the forum (habbo news/rumours). Especially by how slow and laggy the main site is. :(. However, I would most definitely look at rare values and news reports if we revert back to V5.

BRING BACK V5.
MAKE V7 THE GREAT V5.
BRING BACK V5!