Eastern Europeans sleeping in and trashing public spaces

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2413591/First-Park-Lane-Imperial-War-Museum-Eastern-Europeans-sleeping-rough-London-tourist-spot-hangs-coat-peace-sculpture.html

First Park Lane, now the Imperial War Museum... Eastern Europeans are sleeping rough next to top London tourist spot (and one hangs his coat on a peace sculpture)

- Staff complain about clearing up used condoms and excrement daily
- Homeless sleeping in Peace Garden opened by Dalai Lama in 1999
- Includes some Romanians from controversial Park Lane gypsy camp
- Many offered free one-way flights home but choose London's streets instead


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Homeless Eastern Europeans have been sleeping rough for months inside the grounds of a central London memorial opened by the Dalai Lama, MailOnline can reveal.

Staff cleaning the grounds at the Imperial War Museum say every morning they remove human excrement, used condoms, beer cans and even drug paraphernalia from its Tibetan Peace Garden.

Rough sleepers even hang their clothing on the monuments officially unveiled by the Dalai Lama in 1999 and sleep on its manicured lawns and among the flower beds.

In the past year police and border agents have been forced to break up a series of swollen camps across central London where immigrants were offered free flights back to their home country.

But in the majority of cases, despite having no work, they were allowed to leave before returning days later.

Council officials and police in London blame the unwanted visitors for a surge in begging, pickpocketing, shoplifting and anti-social behaviour.

A large number of Romanian gypsies stayed on Park Lane for weeks and turned the tree-lined central London road into a litter-strewn mess.

Several appear to headed to the Imperial War Museum, and staff there have been left with the sorry task of clearing up their mess.

Groundskeeper Robyn Stone, 53, said: 'They've been here a couple of months now, since the hot weather really, I've noticed they moved them on in the West End as it's been highlighted in the news, we've been getting loads of people here, Romanians in particular,' she said.

'We always get rough sleepers here in the summer but there's a lot more of them than normal.

'In the Peace Garden there is normally six or seven, maybe even eight, most of them are inside the garden in the inner circle and then there will be two or three outside and sometimes we get them sleeping in the yard behind the cafe area.

'They jump over the wall and they've made a little tent awning in there. Also they have a bit at the back of the museum called the wild area, so it's ideal with trees, it's not unkempt but it's a wild theme so they are in there a lot.

'They are usually youngish and there's normally a couple of females that stay with them, but they look really young, perhaps only 18.'

Yesterday Robyn had to pick her way around the men as they slept in the Peace Garden, collecting their rubbish from the manicured shrubs and plants.

She said: 'We do have to clean up after them unfortunately, we've got a dedicated guy who's got a small truck called the Fido, it's all tooled up for dog poo - and human poo.

'We clear up beer cans, condoms - I found a used condom here this morning.

'These guys do not seem to use heroin, our regular guys that we have use heroin and we have to clear their needles.

'But we found a crack pipe bottle, that was unusual, last week and I associate that with these guys migrants.

'I've been here over two years and have never seen a crack pipe here ever and that was in the Peace Garden by a tree.'


Believe it or not, poor and often criminal homeless people from Eastern European countries that are members of the EU have as much right under law to be here as you do. Just think about how ridiculous, insulting and stupid that is - and this is why nothing can be done about them, because until we leave the European Union they remain 'EU citizens' just like you and me.

And it doesn't end there - come January of 2014, the borders are opening to Romainia and another country (I forget the name).

Isn't it wonderful to be so 'diverse' and 'culturally enriched'?

Thoughts?

[Ardemax]

I really don't like the Mail and I think it is probably the most disgusting paper in the UK. Anyways, if this story is true and the Mail haven't exaggerated or overlooked any points (why would a credible news organisation, like the Mail, do such a thing?!) then yes, it is shameful and wrong.

However, you can't judge a whole class and race of people based on one incident. Are you simply ignoring the hardworking (who do much more work for less than us lot) immigrants and finding the minority to throw hate at? Why is there never any articles on the Daily Mail about that plumber from Eastern Europe who is probably working below minimum wage and yet works above the legal limit?

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I really don't like the Mail and I think it is probably the most disgusting paper in the UK. Anyways, if this story is true and the Mail haven't exaggerated or overlooked any points (why would a credible news organisation, like the Mail, do such a thing?!) then yes, it is shameful and wrong.

However, you can't judge a whole class and race of people based on one incident. Are you simply ignoring the hardworking (who do much more work for less than us lot) immigrants and finding the minority to throw hate at? Why is there never any articles on the Daily Mail about that plumber from Eastern Europe who is probably working below minimum wage and yet works above the legal limit?

Because they aren't a problem and newspapers generally report problems.

Before you kick off about the Mail which is simply reporting, why not ask yourself why we've been subjected to millions of immigrants coming in over the past few years without even being asked once if we wanted parts of our towns and cities completely changed?

[Chippiewill]

without even being asked once if we wanted parts of our towns and cities completely changed?My city hasn't changed at all.

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My city hasn't changed at all.

The same with mine for the most part (luckily), although some parts are completely taken over - and as I wouldn't like to have my area taken over by the third world with nobody speaking my language, being spat at for being gay or a woman dressed in a western style - I feel sorry for the poorest in our country who haven't been able to escape it as they cannot afford to move out.

If it [multiculturalism] continues [and not integration] then we're heading for the Rivers of Blood scenario that Powell outlined.

[Ardemax]

Because they aren't a problem and newspapers generally report problems.

Before you kick off about the Mail which is simply reporting, why not ask yourself why we've been subjected to millions of immigrants coming in over the past few years without even being asked once if we wanted parts of our towns and cities completely changed?

You can't honestly tell me the Mail is worth reading. It's awful from cover to cover and doesn't represent what the good British citizen is.

In regards to immigration, yes I believe we should have a policy very similar to Australia and also cut down on the numbers coming in that can't offer something to the economy. My views won't change from the Mail picking a story from whenever they can.

[Chippiewill]

If it [multiculturalism] continues [and not integration] then we're heading for the Rivers of Blood scenario that Powell outlined.
We cannot remove their right to not integrate though. Once we start doing that the government will probably ban cigarettes, close down all media except the BBC and lower all the speed limits to 30mph.

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You can't honestly tell me the Mail is worth reading. It's awful from cover to cover and doesn't represent what the good British citizen is.

In regards to immigration, yes I believe we should have a policy very similar to Australia and also cut down on the numbers coming in that can't offer something to the economy. My views won't change from the Mail picking a story from whenever they can.

The Mail is one of the only papers worth reading along with the likes of the Telegraph and (as much as I hate to say it, the Guardian). Whilst none of these are perfect - they're a damn sight better in terms of quality of writing than the Daily Star, the Sun and the Daily Mirror.

Eastern Europeans are bringing with them a crime wave and the Mail is reporting it - something you won't hear from the BBC.


We cannot remove their right to not integrate though. Once we start doing that the government will probably ban cigarettes, close down all media except the BBC and lower all the speed limits to 30mph.

I agree, that's why i've always said it's all about the numbers - if you allow hundreds of thousands in then hundreds of thousands will settle and de facto colonise large areas. Other methods can also be deployed such as refusing to print any official forms in any language other than English.

[lemons]

i don't even read the mail i just look at comments and pictures lol

but yes this isn't really news

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i don't even read the mail i just look at comments and pictures lol

but yes this isn't really news

It's not news that Eastern Europeans are coming over and trashing our public spaces, soon to be joined by many more thousands in January 2014 when Romania and Bulgaria are allowed to come here thanks to the EU?

[Ardemax]

The Mail is one of the only papers worth reading along with the likes of the Telegraph and (as much as I hate to say it, the Guardian). Whilst none of these are perfect - they're a damn sight better in terms of quality of writing than the Daily Star, the Sun and the Daily Mirror.

Eastern Europeans are bringing with them a crime wave and the Mail is reporting it - something you won't hear from the BBC.

When you say the Mail isn't perfect, does that include the fact that they are allowed to straight up lie from time to time?
I agree with you about the Guardian and Telegraph; you won't find much bigotry in them.

The Mail does not include any "quality", have you ever seen a review in there? It's like they've hired out a year 6 student to throw some words on a page.

Let's also not forget the whole "protect our kids against porn" etc etc, whilst at the same time having multiple semi-nude models down the side of their website.

I dunno, I think it's a paper which is past its' sell-by date.

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When you say the Mail isn't perfect, does that include the fact that they are allowed to straight up lie from time to time?
I agree with you about the Guardian and Telegraph; you won't find much bigotry in them.

No, in the Guardian you'll just find artices supporting and defending radical Islam/terrorists, supporting the IRA, trashing the military and criticising the Falklands war, articles that support lowering the age of consent to 12 year old children.

But of course you don't think that because all you're going on is a stereotype of the Daily Mail because you heard the unfunny 'comedian' David Mitchell and friends the insufferable Stephen Fry and Jack Whitehall say it on television.

Personally I find all of THAT much more bigoted than saying we should control our own borders.


The Mail does not include any "quality", have you ever seen a review in there? It's like they've hired out a year 6 student to throw some words on a page.

Let's also not forget the whole "protect our kids against porn" etc etc, whilst at the same time having multiple semi-nude models down the side of their website.

I dunno, I think it's a paper which is past its' sell-by date.

Who said I agree with the Mail's editoral line? my point is that it contains some of the best journalists in the country therefore can't be written off as a 'joke' paper. Look, the Mail supports our membership of the EU, supports foreign military adventures, supports the Tory Party and many other things that I don't agree with it on....

....yet it's far closer to the views of normal British people than say the Guardian newspaper is, and you only have to look at the sales figures for confirmation of that - the Guardian and the trendy 'Independent' are past their sell by dates.

Seems to me that your just going on stereotype of newspapers than actually talking any facts.

[Ardemax]

No, in the Guardian you'll just find artices supporting and defending radical Islam/terrorists, supporting the IRA, trashing the military and criticising the Falklands war, articles that support lowering the age of consent to 12 year old children.

But of course you don't think that because all you're going on is a stereotype of the Daily Mail because you heard the unfunny 'comedian' David Mitchell and friends the insufferable Stephen Fry and Jack Whitehall say it on television.

Personally I find all of THAT much more bigoted than saying we should control our own borders.



Who said I agree with the Mail's editoral line? my point is that it contains some of the best journalists in the country therefore can't be written off as a 'joke' paper. Look, the Mail supports our membership of the EU, supports foreign military adventures, supports the Tory Party and many other things that I don't agree with it on....

....yet it's far closer to the views of normal British people than say the Guardian newspaper is, and you only have to look at the sales figures for confirmation of that - the Guardian and the trendy 'Independent' are past their sell by dates.

Seems to me that your just going on stereotype of newspapers than actually talking any facts.

No, no, I agree it's a very popular paper - just with perhaps the older generation.

I'm not slamming the Mail because of what others have said I'm slamming the Mail because I've read it from time to time and it's is just awful to read. It is quick to judge and the comments are simply disgusting.

The facts are that the paper used to support Fascism, use constant lies and over-hype a lot of things to try and scare the British people to 'act now' and let's not forget it's policy on 'women', whatever they are.

There's sometimes a reason why other newspapers won't report on such stories and that's because it's often so far from the truth it's painfully funny. But hey, what can you do?

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No, no, I agree it's a very popular paper - just with perhaps the older generation.

I'm not slamming the Mail because of what others have said I'm slamming the Mail because I've read it from time to time and it's is just awful to read. It is quick to judge and the comments are simply disgusting.

The facts are that the paper used to support Fascism, use constant lies and over-hype a lot of things to try and scare the British people to 'act now' and let's not forget it's policy on 'women', whatever they are.

There's sometimes a reason why other newspapers won't report on such stories and that's because it's often so far from the truth it's painfully funny. But hey, what can you do?

You mean like the Guardian and Mirror bordered on supporting the Soviet Union?

Look, I can criticise the Mail too - and I did recently in another thread. But mine is constructive criticism rather than the garbage that you've been fed that it's a 'nasty' paper. What's so nasty about holding the government to account over immigration and the crime problems that result from it? it's doing us a great public service by doing so.

If you want disgusting just read the comments in the Guardian newspaper.