Fire Comity and vls

[FlyingJesus]

I think it's absolutely disgusting how they put effort into their games and host events that get full large rooms. If hosting events that people actually want to play was what Habbox was about we'd have surely been doing it all along, so these two are clearly doing something wrong. I'm pretty sure the staff handbook says to make sure to do games where only Hx people turn up and everyone else is treated as a leper, but here they are with a game that everyone has fun in and talks to each other - despicable! Furthermore, they don't use forest wall and short grass to cover entire rooms which I am certain is the law in Habbox events.

Please fire this pair of clowns so we can get back to fridge races and don't get a carrot with 10 guests per game

[lawrawrrr]

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHHAHAHA

omg it's so nice to see some good variety and INTERESTING GAMES, gj guys


the only part I don't agree with is habbox people coming to most events cos a lot of events I hosted I had 1 or 2 habbox people and 10 normal habbosss

[sex]

THE THING IS, ITS NOT AN OFFICIAL EVENT JUST HABBOX IN THE NAME. last night was official though, people like playing the strangers for hours, ive played it for about 3-4 probably before. an hour is to short for it and i didnt wanna book etc i just wanted to host so did cause there was nothing else on

---------- Post added 08-09-2013 at 05:37 PM ----------

BUT YES, A BIG THANK YOU TO SUBO FOR THE ROOM
she has been nagging martin for a month to be allowed to host it and it always been "we will see" but last night i ask alex and we get the go ahead for test and it was v. successful

[Tom]

I agree, absolute disgrace. General Management were secretly discussing a severe punishment for the both of them but obviously may as well put it out in the open now.

But on a serious note, I got some good comments on you guys doing this, so well done! Keep it up you great pair ;)

[Yawn]

:Innocent: thx

[lemons]

no dice in subo event room fire fire

[wixard]

I LOVE MYLES EVENTS COS HE IS SO ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT AND YOU CAN TELL HE IS EXCITED TO HOST RATHER THAN JUST DOINT IT BECAUSE HE HAS TO

I DONT REALLY LIKE THE STRANGERS COS COMITY ALWAYS TARGETS ME BUT OH WELL

LONG LIVE VLS AND COMITY AS EOS

[Kardan]

If Comity isn't events manager by the end of the year then there's clearly something wrong...

[karter]

I LOVE MYLES EVENTS COS HE IS SO ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT AND YOU CAN TELL HE IS EXCITED TO HOST RATHER THAN JUST DOINT IT BECAUSE HE HAS TO

I DONT REALLY LIKE THE STRANGERS COS COMITY ALWAYS TARGETS ME BUT OH WELL

LONG LIVE VLS AND COMITY AS EOS

i think its a she not a he

[Yawn]

apologies to events hosts that have had to complain because no1 has come to ur events while my room has been open.....

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt0jw2Iddl1r317bvo1_500.gif

[sex]

apologies to events hosts that have had to complain because no1 has come to ur events while my room has been open.....

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt0jw2Iddl1r317bvo1_500.gif

LOLLL that is shameful tbh

[wixard]

i think its a she not a he


oh soz you're right lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FlyingJesus]

Utterly ridiculous. There are more than 50 people on the hotel and having Habbox in your name isn't going to make people think they aren't allowed to go to the "official" event - it's not busy there because it's a crap game, not because people are somehow confused about having more than one room with Habbox in the title. HFFM manage to have multiple event at a time, and it's about time Habbox realised that 22 staff members is more than enough to have more open at a time and not have to rely on a host having their staff chums in the room for it to look like a mild success

[AgnesIO]

Sounds like the events there are decent, another fantastic OP though - last line was particularly hilarious.

The question is, how many fridges are clinging on to to use one day...

[xxMATTGxx]

apologies to events hosts that have had to complain because no1 has come to ur events while my room has been open.....

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt0jw2Iddl1r317bvo1_500.gif

Not your fault at all. I believe I owe you some +Rep from when I was in the room eariler on.

[lawrawrrr]

what do they have to complain about lol

any habbo can host events are they gonna complain about all those other random hosts er no

tbh you should be EO i think this is enough of a trial

[Tom]

I did approach a member of management, but they weren't too pleased that I said perhaps they should work on getting more people in their events and it wasn't Subo's fault that more people were in her event than the official one.

Anyway, it was a good event and successful before you had to remove Habbox out of your tags (even though it was still successful after that), so well done subo; and Comity;.

[Kardan]

I did approach a member of management, but they weren't too pleased that I said perhaps they should work on getting more people in their events and it wasn't Subo's fault that more people were in her event than the official one.

Anyway, it was a good event and successful before you had to remove Habbox out of your tags (even though it was still successful after that), so well done subo; and Comity;.

Why did they have to remove Habbox out of the tags?

[myles]

omg just saw this i got very scared

[AgnesIO]

Who is events manager? Sack them.

Surely it is a good thing if Habbox gets promotion for GOOD events, not the usual crap. Stop being so uptight, and realise that you have some potential here... I guess whoever it is is just scared there is a better manager out there than they are o.O

[myles]

i do think subo strangers room should have a 2-3 hour time slot as it is so popular and games do last quite a long time
ALSO i said subo should also apply for EO BUT SHE ISNT HAVING IT

[Tom]

Why did they have to remove Habbox out of the tags?

As the official event wasn't getting more than 5-7 users because of her room.

[AgnesIO]

i do think subo strangers room should have a 2-3 hour time slot as it is so popular and games do last quite a long time
ALSO i said subo should also apply for EO BUT SHE ISNT HAVING IT

Oooh is subo doing it to be hard to get o.O

[Kardan]

As the official event wasn't getting more than 5-7 users because of her room.

Do official events get more than 7 users anyway?

[myles]

Oooh is subo doing it to be hard to get o.O

i think so!!

[AgnesIO]

As the official event wasn't getting more than 5-7 users because of her room.

Well, what imbecile blamed subo or whoever it was for that? The issue there isn't subo, surely that indicates that Habbox need to up their game and make events more enjoyable?

[Kardan]

Woah woah woah, wait. Comity and vls are actually event organisers! I thought they weren't...

In that case, this changes everything!

They got told to take out Habbox, when they are Habbox EOs, and hosting an event? So the people in that room do count towards Habbox numbers anyway? That's a bit silly... If the official host was angry at the number of people, they should host better events.

[Gina]

when i tried searching habbox to get into the room it didnt appear anyway
so i just search stranger

but i really liked that event hahah was fab

[myles]

when i tried searching habbox to get into the room it didnt appear anyway
so i just search stranger

but i really liked that event hahah was fabbecause subo was forced to get rid of the tag unfortunatly

[AgnesIO]

I love this.



Users want better events.
2 Event Organisers and Subo bring better events WHILST advertising Habbox.
Habbox gets angry and makes them remove Habbox advertisements.
Logic at its finest.

[Gina]

because subo was forced to get rid of the tag unfortunatly
oh i thought you ment when habbox was in the name
cos even when habbox was in the name it didnt appear ;p

[Plebings]

so were comity and vls hosting in subos room, or was subo hosting? kinda cofused.

either way, from what i've seen both comity and vls have held very high standards of events and i urge that they keep that standard up! well done guys xx

[lawrawrrr]

The thing is, it's great Habbox are having better events but when they're hosted by events organisers at the same time as other events it does seem a bit weird...

but say I was to host an event, you cannot force me to remove habbox from the tags - i constantly see rooms with all the fansites in just because they know they're usually more reputable than just normal habbos who host!

[Kardan]

The thing is, it's great Habbox are having better events but when they're hosted by events organisers at the same time as other events it does seem a bit weird...

but say I was to host an event, you cannot force me to remove habbox from the tags - i constantly see rooms with all the fansites in just because they know they're usually more reputable than just normal habbos who host!

Why?

[Tom]

It's weird, I was told a lot of events organisers were complaining, yet it looks like they may actually be for it? Am I missing something here?

[lawrawrrr]

Why?

Because they joined the department to host events and by hosting unofficial events they're actually hindering both Habbox official events and other events organisers...

[sex]

so were comity and vls hosting in subos room, or was subo hosting? kinda cofused.

either way, from what i've seen both comity and vls have held very high standards of events and i urge that they keep that standard up! well done guys xx

yes we hosting in subos room, mainly me and myles sometimes but ye tht not matter
we host last night offical and it was popular then no events today so me and subo decided to host and then some evil host seen how popular it was and thought if they hosted and official booked event they could steal the 50 users in the room
but nope not happen and when it didn't they complain to bolt and he made subo remove habbox promo

[AgnesIO]

Because they joined the department to host events and by hosting unofficial events they're actually hindering both Habbox official events and other events organisers...

They are helping Habbox though - it makes sense to hold another event, if the official one for that timeslot is ****.

[Kardan]

Because they joined the department to host events and by hosting unofficial events they're actually hindering both Habbox official events and other events organisers...

How are they hindering Habbox events and other EOs?

[sex]

Because they joined the department to host events and by hosting unofficial events they're actually hindering both Habbox official events and other events organisers...

sorry but ive hosted games all the time way before i hosted for habbox, just because i joined the department doesn't mean i should have to stop that? its nice hosting and being able to host how i normally do, give prize if i decide, not have to worry about stupid screenshots or rules or how i speak to people.
there was no event when we started to host, which was the main reason for doing it but i didn't wanna book etc because i just wanted to host freely. then an event host seen how popular it was and decided to book and hope to take the users from the game and make them go to his

[AgnesIO]

then an event host seen how popular it was and decided to book and hope to take the users from the game and make them go to his

Do I see a rift in the department forming o.O

[Kardan]

I love this.



Users want better events.
2 Event Organisers and Subo bring better events WHILST advertising Habbox.
Habbox gets angry and makes them remove Habbox advertisements.
Logic at its finest.


It's just mind boggling really. I hope that Comity and crew don't take it too personally and keep at it.

[xxMATTGxx]

I assume a member of Events Management asked about the removal of Habbox in the name and tags? Sigh

[Kardan]

I assume a member of Events Management asked about the removal of Habbox in the name and tags? Sigh

Does seem a bit strange that events management wanted to take down positive advertising for Habbox.

[sex]

It's just mind boggling really. I hope that Comity and crew don't take it too personally and keep at it.

dw we dont!! we continued hosting for about another three hours and i was still nice enough to shout habbox out in the room even if it had nothing to do with the room because the assist. manager told the subo to remove habbox from the name

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I assume a member of Events Management asked about the removal of Habbox in the name and tags? Sigh

yes lol he come in because event host complained cause his add it up or bingo wasn't getting passed 10 users

[Kardan]

dw we dont!! we continued hosting for about another three hours and i was still nice enough to shout habbox out in the room even if it had nothing to do with the room because the assist. manager told the subo to remove habbox from the name

So now we ask Bolt660; why this was the case :P

[Tom]

I assume a member of Events Management asked about the removal of Habbox in the name and tags? Sigh

It's the situation I was trying to explain to you before.

[xxMATTGxx]

I can see why they would complain about it but maybe if they took hints of the type of event they were hosting they wouldn't have this issue in the first place.

Excuse any mistakes in the above, on my phone at this minute.

[FlyingJesus]

Anyone who seriously believes that having multiple events on at one time is in some way worse for Habbox than having just one with a handful of the same people every time needs a major logic upgrade. If I were managing the department I'd want it as busy as it can be at all the times that it can be - this means variation and participation, not forcing popular events to cleanse themselves of any links with the site in case someone hosting a crap event doesn't like not being the most popular.

Personally I'd set the event hosting rules to say that as long as a CNB is up you can host whatever slots you like and there can be more than one on at a time; you could still book a slot and that would be helpful to the department to know who's around when, but people can also host impromptu games and help advertise Habbox even more.

[AgnesIO]

I assume a member of Events Management asked about the removal of Habbox in the name and tags? Sigh

If it was Martin, whilst I respect him - he definitely got it wrong if the story is true.


It's just mind boggling really. I hope that Comity and crew don't take it too personally and keep at it.

They don't come across the sort of people to be knocked down by silly rules!


dw we dont!! we continued hosting for about another three hours and i was still nice enough to shout habbox out in the room even if it had nothing to do with the room because the assist. manager told the subo to remove habbox from the name

---------- Post added 08-09-2013 at 11:48 PM ----------



yes lol he come in because event host complained cause his add it up or bingo wasn't getting passed 10 users

Top effort.


Does seem a bit strange that events management wanted to take down positive advertising for Habbox.

Indeed it does.

To be honest, if Habbox is getting free positive advertisements, I simply cannot see why anyone would want this stopped.

[lawrawrrr]

They are helping Habbox though - it makes sense to hold another event, if the official one for that timeslot is ****.


How are they hindering Habbox events and other EOs?


sorry but ive hosted games all the time way before i hosted for habbox, just because i joined the department doesn't mean i should have to stop that? its nice hosting and being able to host how i normally do, give prize if i decide, not have to worry about stupid screenshots or rules or how i speak to people.
there was no event when we started to host, which was the main reason for doing it but i didn't wanna book etc because i just wanted to host freely. then an event host seen how popular it was and decided to book and hope to take the users from the game and make them go to his

I do see all your points, I really do, and it is nice to see good events bringing in advertising! It's only a small matter of, if a HxL DJ was to kick another one off air just cos they wanted there'd be a bit of uproar!

The way you've described it Graham makes me see it differently, why would booking an event make their event popular?! Surely it'd be the opposite because people will stay in the original one??

But yeah, it's lovely you're hosting, even outside your booked slots and unofficially, but when you're taking over someone else's slot (different story altogether when you're hosting FIRST as in this case!) it could be seen (note: COULD BE SEEN BY SOME PEOPLE) as a bit mean.

[AgnesIO]

I can see why they would complain about it but maybe if they took hints of the type of event they were hosting they wouldn't have this issue in the first place.

Excuse any mistakes in the above, on my phone at this minute.

This is exactly right - you'd think it was the biggest hint ever that the event type is not preferential.


Anyone who seriously believes that having multiple events on at one time is in some way worse for Habbox than having just one with a handful of the same people every time needs a major logic upgrade. If I were managing the department I'd want it as busy as it can be at all the times that it can be - this means variation and participation, not forcing popular events to cleanse themselves of any links with the site in case someone hosting a crap event doesn't like not being the most popular.

Personally I'd set the event hosting rules to say that as long as a CNB is up you can host whatever slots you like and there can be more than one on at a time; you could still book a slot and that would be helpful to the department to know who's around when, but people can also host impromptu games and help advertise Habbox even more.

Spot on as normal. I've never known of a manager who wants less activity :S

[Kardan]

I do see all your points, I really do, and it is nice to see good events bringing in advertising! It's only a small matter of, if a HxL DJ was to kick another one off air just cos they wanted there'd be a bit of uproar!

The way you've described it Graham makes me see it differently, why would booking an event make their event popular?! Surely it'd be the opposite because people will stay in the original one??

But yeah, it's lovely you're hosting, even outside your booked slots and unofficially, but when you're taking over someone else's slot (different story altogether when you're hosting FIRST as in this case!) it could be seen (note: COULD BE SEEN BY SOME PEOPLE) as a bit mean.

It's pretty obvious that the radio is a different matter considering there is only one radio, but there isn't only one room for an event to be held in, in the whole of Habbo.

[Eoin247]

Seems like a no brainier really. The wrong solution to an EOs problem. The more popular rooms with habbox tags the better.

[lawrawrrr]

It's pretty obvious that the radio is a different matter considering there is only one radio, but there isn't only one room for an event to be held in, in the whole of Habbo.

Er ok then, different example, if I was to run a habbox-style competition I think the comps managers would be a little miffed about that?

It just depends whether management want double slots or not; something longer like Strangers or an auto-game could run for however long as well as normal events, but it's always been a bit of a binary system. If the rules are, EOs can only host 1 at a time, then if they run more than one (not so much when you can't track them, when they're not advertising it as an official habbox event) then they are breaking those rules technically

[AgnesIO]

I do see all your points, I really do, and it is nice to see good events bringing in advertising! It's only a small matter of, if a HxL DJ was to kick another one off air just cos they wanted there'd be a bit of uproar!

The way you've described it Graham makes me see it differently, why would booking an event make their event popular?! Surely it'd be the opposite because people will stay in the original one??

But yeah, it's lovely you're hosting, even outside your booked slots and unofficially, but when you're taking over someone else's slot (different story altogether when you're hosting FIRST as in this case!) it could be seen (note: COULD BE SEEN BY SOME PEOPLE) as a bit mean.

The difference is, in events you can have 10 events running at one time - whereas we can't have 10 live DJ shows at one point.

[xxMATTGxx]

Er ok then, different example, if I was to run a habbox-style competition I think the comps managers would be a little miffed about that?

It just depends whether management want double slots or not; something longer like Strangers or an auto-game could run for however long as well as normal events, but it's always been a bit of a binary system. If the rules are, EOs can only host 1 at a time, then if they run more than one (not so much when you can't track them, when they're not advertising it as an official habbox event) then they are breaking those rules technically

You could say that already happens when Forum Moderators post competitions on the forum.

[lawrawrrr]

The difference is, in events you can have 10 events running at one time - whereas we can't have 10 live DJ shows at one point.

okay okay but like i just said the rules are currently that only 1 official habbox event can be run at once so anyone hosting simultaneous habbox events that MAY LOOK OFFICIAL to people are technically breaking the rules, and eos should know better cos i guarantee they'd be miffed if it happened to them

---------- Post added 09-09-2013 at 12:05 AM ----------


You could say that already happens when Forum Moderators post competitions on the forum.

Ah, but that's with the forum department, not out of the blue!

[Yawn]

ok so i clarify some things

its my room and all my own furni but im not EO. myles and graham help host it though.

first 2hrs we hosted today there were no events on (and for some hours before there were no events) and habbox was in the tag. then a couple of hours in a host put their name down for 2 slots bingo and addition. during the other hosts second slot martin came in to say he had been getting complaints and was being nagged and asked if i could take the habbox tag out of the room because it was negatively affecting the other hosts (official) games.

its not rly an issue and our game remained as popular as it was after we'd taken the tag out. i dont think it particularly benefited the other host though as their room numbers were still around 10 people before and after i removed the tag. i think his choice of games were mostly to blame for their low numbers.

in future whenever we host i will only use the habbox tag in the room if our event is official and booked in. if someone was searching the habbox tag to find the event and they see a room with 30+ people they will naturally go to that one opposed to the one with lower numbers. it isnt an issue for our game and i understand how it is beneficial to the official events. we will continue to promo habbox whenever we host this game regardless of it being 'official' or not

:Innocent:

[Kardan]

Er ok then, different example, if I was to run a habbox-style competition I think the comps managers would be a little miffed about that?

It just depends whether management want double slots or not; something longer like Strangers or an auto-game could run for however long as well as normal events, but it's always been a bit of a binary system. If the rules are, EOs can only host 1 at a time, then if they run more than one (not so much when you can't track them, when they're not advertising it as an official habbox event) then they are breaking those rules technically

Why wouldn't you allowed to post a competition? Since you are competitions staff...

And this is the whole point of the thread really, that this 'rule' needs to be changed...

[AgnesIO]

Er ok then, different example, if I was to run a habbox-style competition I think the comps managers would be a little miffed about that?

It just depends whether management want double slots or not; something longer like Strangers or an auto-game could run for however long as well as normal events, but it's always been a bit of a binary system. If the rules are, EOs can only host 1 at a time, then if they run more than one (not so much when you can't track them, when they're not advertising it as an official habbox event) then they are breaking those rules technically

I've run lotteries and other competitions on the forum, and am yet to hear complaints about these!

[sex]

I do see all your points, I really do, and it is nice to see good events bringing in advertising! It's only a small matter of, if a HxL DJ was to kick another one off air just cos they wanted there'd be a bit of uproar!

The way you've described it Graham makes me see it differently, why would booking an event make their event popular?! Surely it'd be the opposite because people will stay in the original one??

But yeah, it's lovely you're hosting, even outside your booked slots and unofficially, but when you're taking over someone else's slot (different story altogether when you're hosting FIRST as in this case!) it could be seen (note: COULD BE SEEN BY SOME PEOPLE) as a bit mean.

The thing is we DID NOT take over someone else's slot, there was no event on, 4 people in the help desk and we were bored. That is the reason we hosted there was NO stealing users from other events at the time because there was none booked for the entire day. Obviously if the event before yours is full, if it ends (which is what i assume the host wanted, since he asked for people to go to his event and then complained habbox was in subos room name) you except everyone to go to yours because thats what happens, people go from one Habbox event to the other and this person probably though he has an easy job at filling his room and wouldn't have to make the effort since we basically did it already...

[lawrawrrr]

Why wouldn't you allowed to post a competition? Since you are competitions staff...

And this is the whole point of the thread really, that this 'rule' needs to be changed...

Because my job as competitions staff is to run the official competitions in the set method that there is; if I was to run an incredibly inappropriate competition that was badly written then it would reflect badly on the Competitions department as people MIGHT think it was official just because I am comps staff

In that case, I agree, but only in certain circumstances; hosting 2 boring events at the same time will just make noone turn up to either. It should only be the case for long-running games or auto games.


I've run lotteries and other competitions on the forum, and am yet to hear complaints about these!

Lotteries and comps for VIP are a bit different, they're the only ones to come to mind, and you're not official comps staff or anything and there's no way they could be construed as being official

[sex]

OK, i seen you stated we were hosting first, do you really just expect us to end it then because someone from Habbox decides to host? Even though, after their event was booked and subo got told to remove habbox from tags & room name her room stayed popular for over 3 more hours?!?!? it makes no sense at all, but i can guarantee those 50 people in her room would NOT have gone to habbox events lol

[AgnesIO]

ok so i clarify some things

its my room and all my own furni but im not EO. myles and graham help host it though.

first 2hrs we hosted today there were no events on (and for some hours before there were no events) and habbox was in the tag. then a couple of hours in a host put their name down for 2 slots bingo and addition. during the other hosts second slot martin came in to say he had been getting complaints and was being nagged and asked if i could take the habbox tag out of the room because it was negatively affecting the other hosts (official) games.

its not rly an issue and our game remained as popular as it was after we'd taken the tag out. i dont think it particularly benefited the other host though as their room numbers were still around 10 people before and after i removed the tag. i think his choice of games were mostly to blame for their low numbers.

in future whenever we host i will only use the habbox tag in the room if our event is official and booked in. if someone was searching the habbox tag to find the event and they see a room with 30+ people they will naturally go to that one opposed to the one with lower numbers. it isnt an issue for our game and i understand how it is beneficial to the official events. we will continue to promo habbox whenever we host this game

:Innocent:

Missed opportunities by Habbox there then - popular room, with less Habbox advertisements. Smart move lol

[Martin]

The difference being that the room is not owned by a member of staff, and whilst I agree the event is popular and amazing, from a community point of view it gives the impression that subo is events staff hosting on behalf of habbox etc.

Most people tend to search Habbox on the navigator to find what event is going on, and several members in the official event found it unfair that their room was not being noticed, despite lots of attempts at advertising etc.




In the past whenever a non member of Habbox staff has tried hosting an event in the Habbox name and its not an official Habbox room then they've been asked to remove the Habbox part.


The current policy in events is that only one event can be hosted at a time, so the fact that there were Habbox staff (including events staff) in the strangers game, whilst a trialist was struggling to populate his room in the official event seemed a little unfair.

I didn't make that policy, its just there, and we don't allow clashes etc. From those who don't know's point of view subo is representing Habbox, and personally I would love it if she became Habbox staff so it could become official all the time etc, not just when a Habbox host is hosting in there etc.


Even if she was staff though, we've always discouraged multiple events at the same time, and im pretty sure most places have the same policy, due to how hard it is anyway to get a full room.


You're right in that events generally need to be more varied and interesting (whilst keeping some of the old favourites of course), but we do need to keep things fair and if an event isn't advertised on our site, forum etc, but is treated like a habbox event on the client, people do become confused as to whats going on.




The thing is we DID NOT take over someone else's slot, there was no event on, 4 people in the help desk and we were bored. That is the reason we hosted there was NO stealing users from other events at the time because there was none booked for the entire day. Obviously if the event before yours is full, if it ends (which is what i assume the host wanted, since he asked for people to go to his event and then complained habbox was in subos room name) you except everyone to go to yours because thats what happens, people go from one Habbox event to the other and this person probably though he has an easy job at filling his room and wouldn't have to make the effort since we basically did it already...

Why didn't you book it so it could have been added to the calendar/panel and counted towards your minimum?




I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, but Alex agreed with me that the correct action was taken, and its just the policy really, it wasn't beacause I was trying to be a kiljoy. Perhaps it is something we need to look into, perhaps non members of staff should be allowed to host events whenever they want using habbox in the name, but I think it needs to be clear to everyone regardless.

[lawrawrrr]

The thing is we DID NOT take over someone else's slot, there was no event on, 4 people in the help desk and we were bored. That is the reason we hosted there was NO stealing users from other events at the time because there was none booked for the entire day. Obviously if the event before yours is full, if it ends (which is what i assume the host wanted, since he asked for people to go to his event and then complained habbox was in subos room name) you except everyone to go to yours because thats what happens, people go from one Habbox event to the other and this person probably though he has an easy job at filling his room and wouldn't have to make the effort since we basically did it already...

Yeah I realise that now, I didn't know that before and I never tried to judge you for that, I was purely running on hypotheticals!! Management have no authority to ask a non-staff member to remove advertising from any room or group unless it's trying to be official when they haven't condoned it. Which I don't know if happened or not!

[Kardan]

Because my job as competitions staff is to run the official competitions in the set method that there is; if I was to run an incredibly inappropriate competition that was badly written then it would reflect badly on the Competitions department as people MIGHT think it was official just because I am comps staff

In that case, I agree, but only in certain circumstances; hosting 2 boring events at the same time will just make noone turn up to either. It should only be the case for long-running games or auto games.



Lotteries and comps for VIP are a bit different, they're the only ones to come to mind, and you're not official comps staff or anything and there's no way they could be construed as being official

So if we take your point of a badly run competition and try and translate that to the events department... How can Comity and co. possibly host worse events then what we already have?


And, you're telling me, if you wanted to host anything that gave a prize on the forum, you would be reprimanded by staff?

And secondly, please do tell me how hosting 2 events at the time will make 0 people attend either event. I really don't understand the logic behind that at all.


"Oh no, there's two events! Best not go to either!"
"Oh no, there's two threads on the forum, best not reply to either!"
"Oh no, there's two buses coming along at once, best not get on either!"

Seems flawed.

[AgnesIO]

Because my job as competitions staff is to run the official competitions in the set method that there is; if I was to run an incredibly inappropriate competition that was badly written then it would reflect badly on the Competitions department as people MIGHT think it was official just because I am comps staff

In that case, I agree, but only in certain circumstances; hosting 2 boring events at the same time will just make noone turn up to either. It should only be the case for long-running games or auto games.



Lotteries and comps for VIP are a bit different, they're the only ones to come to mind, and you're not official comps staff or anything and there's no way they could be construed as being official

I've done things for a lot more than VIP before, which almost certainly received more entries than Habbox competitions - I did the draw on Habbo for one, which filled a 50 person room which advertised Habbox throughout. The fact I wasn't staff didn't matter, as it really promoted Habbox and gave a positive image. Other users have done similar things - and I certainly wouldn't have appreciated it had I been told to remove Habbox from the room name.

[FlyingJesus]

Most people tend to search Habbox on the navigator to find what event is going on, and several members in the official event found it unfair that their room was not being noticed, despite lots of attempts at advertising etc.

...

The current policy in events is that only one event can be hosted at a time, so the fact that there were Habbox staff (including events staff) in the strangers game, whilst a trialist was struggling to populate his room in the official event seemed a little unfair.

I was under the impression that Habbox events staff are supposed to be promoting Habbox, not themselves. Throwing away a constant stream of people in a 50-max room for 3 hours because it's "unfair" on someone whose event isn't fun enough to get 5 is ludicrous.


Even if she was staff though, we've always discouraged multiple events at the same time, and im pretty sure most places have the same policy, due to how hard it is anyway to get a full room.

Not that hard at all, as was proved today by Graham and Myles


You're right in that events generally need to be more varied and interesting (whilst keeping some of the old favourites of course), but we do need to keep things fair and if an event isn't advertised on our site, forum etc, but is treated like a habbox event on the client, people do become confused as to whats going on.

Then the simple solution is to allow EOs to host whenever they like and simply give the rule that a CNB must be posted for every hour that they host it, no matter who else is hosting at the same time. Habbo's population is limited, certainly, but there are far more people online at any one time than a single event could ever hold

[Martin]

okay subo; im sorry for asking you to remove it, I hope you can accept my apology, was probably a wrong decision in hindsight and if you do forgive me then it would be awesome if you could put it back in and run the event whenever you like on behalf of Habbox :)

[Kardan]

The difference being that the room is not owned by a member of staff, and whilst I agree the event is popular and amazing, from a community point of view it gives the impression that subo is events staff hosting on behalf of habbox etc.

Most people tend to search Habbox on the navigator to find what event is going on, and several members in the official event found it unfair that their room was not being noticed, despite lots of attempts at advertising etc.




In the past whenever a non member of Habbox staff has tried hosting an event in the Habbox name and its not an official Habbox room then they've been asked to remove the Habbox part.


The current policy in events is that only one event can be hosted at a time, so the fact that there were Habbox staff (including events staff) in the strangers game, whilst a trialist was struggling to populate his room in the official event seemed a little unfair.

I didn't make that policy, its just there, and we don't allow clashes etc. From those who don't know's point of view subo is representing Habbox, and personally I would love it if she became Habbox staff so it could become official all the time etc, not just when a Habbox host is hosting in there etc.


Even if she was staff though, we've always discouraged multiple events at the same time, and im pretty sure most places have the same policy, due to how hard it is anyway to get a full room.


You're right in that events generally need to be more varied and interesting (whilst keeping some of the old favourites of course), but we do need to keep things fair and if an event isn't advertised on our site, forum etc, but is treated like a habbox event on the client, people do become confused as to whats going on.





Why didn't you book it so it could have been added to the calendar/panel and counted towards your minimum?




I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, but Alex agreed with me that the correct action was taken, and its just the policy really, it wasn't beacause I was trying to be a kiljoy. Perhaps it is something we need to look into, perhaps non members of staff should be allowed to host events whenever they want using habbox in the name, but I think it needs to be clear to everyone regardless.

I don't think anyone is attacking you Martin, it's just that the policy in place seems kind of stupid.

The policy states that it is better to have the trialist struggling with a room of 10 people, rather than have the trialist struggling with 10 people (still) and another room with 30+ in it.

Now, it's pretty clear that 40 > 10, especially since you said yourself it's hard to get people in the room.

It's just common sense that this 'One event at a time' policy needs changing. It's not difficult.

[Yawn]

im not offended or bothered at all its a non issue

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p.s. i dont rly wna be tied down with staff responsibilities and wouldnt want to host the typical events/games. im just happy to let habbox use my room cos i know how much the game is loved and how enjoyable it is

[Martin]

I was under the impression that Habbox events staff are supposed to be promoting Habbox, not themselves. Throwing away a constant stream of people in a 50-max room for 3 hours because it's "unfair" on someone whose event isn't fun enough to get 5 is ludicrous.



Not that hard at all, as was proved today by Graham and Myles



Then the simple solution is to allow EOs to host whenever they like and simply give the rule that a CNB must be posted for every hour that they host it, no matter who else is hosting at the same time. Habbo's population is limited, certainly, but there are far more people online at any one time than a single event could ever hold

sounds like a plan! :) Will see what Smurfed-; and Foregetfuhl; think.

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I don't think anyone is attacking you Martin, it's just that the policy in place seems kind of stupid.

The policy states that it is better to have the trialist struggling with a room of 10 people, rather than have the trialist struggling with 10 people (still) and another room with 30+ in it.

Now, it's pretty clear that 40 > 10, especially since you said yourself it's hard to get people in the room.

It's just common sense that this 'One event at a time' policy needs changing. It's not difficult.

It's not always a struggle, quite often I have events with 30+ people in, and see others with the same, so I'm not sure why this event in particular was so hard to get started at 6pm on a sunday which is pretty much prime time :P


I can completely agree with you though, more advertising is always beneficial, its just in the past I've always witness non Habbox staff being asked to remove Habbox from their room name unless the room is official, but I do think we should allow any room to be official in that sense if its for the good of Habbox and doing a positive thing.

Would be nice if we were able to help promote it too our end though perhaps so its reflected on the site/forum too etc and recognised as official by us rather than just on the client, so that people don't get confused etc.

[Yawn]

also i agree with the decision because i can completely understand how it would steal all the room guests and overpower the smaller booked in events and thats unfair

without the tag it made no difference to my room and the other event had the best chance possible to get players it was win/win

[lawrawrrr]

So if we take your point of a badly run competition and try and translate that to the events department... How can Comity and co. possibly host worse events then what we already have?


And, you're telling me, if you wanted to host anything that gave a prize on the forum, you would be reprimanded by staff?

And secondly, please do tell me how hosting 2 events at the time will make 0 people attend either event. I really don't understand the logic behind that at all.


"Oh no, there's two events! Best not go to either!"
"Oh no, there's two threads on the forum, best not reply to either!"
"Oh no, there's two buses coming along at once, best not get on either!"

Seems flawed.

I'm just saying if the rule was brought in that multiple events could run at the same time that there may not be a normal event and a fantastic event like Graham & Co.'s, but there could be two really boring events that few people turn up to anyway.

Yes I do believe that would be the case, if it was in the style of a Habbox competition and could be mistaken for being official, because I think most logical people would say it could come off worse for Habbox's reputation

Exaggeration - I meant more that not enough people would turn up to make the event worth it, or even be able to run!

I think the only real outcomes are these:


2 events are booked and hosted; one exciting and one 'normal' - normal gets 4/5 attendees, exciting gets 50 for the whole hour, basically making the 'normal' host irrelevant because they can't play (and jesus christ that's a really crap feeling when that constantly happens)
2 events are booked and hosted; two 'normal' events - people do not know which one to go to and don't bother seeing which one is running (as I think it would create confusion as Habbo fansites normally don't have more than 1 event at a time)
1 event is booked and hosted; an exciting one, where 50 people turn up for the whole hour, then are directed to the next event, where they MAY go, making an event where normally 10 different people would turn up be more popular


But that's all about official events hosts; as for Habbox members hosting events they can do whatever they please but if Habbox management don't want more than one official event then they are well within their right to ask them to stop portraying it as an official event. Can still advertise without insinuating official event-ness!

If someone was to set up a racist group with [Habbox] tags it'd be the same case really, it's only because Strangers was so popular that this has been brought up. I love the game, but think it should be booked officially and follow proper events protocols, especially when it seems to be at least co-run by an official organiser.

[myles]

After the two hours before a slot was booked there were many players waiting to play the game so we felt obliged to host more games.
I also dont think it was intentional for subo to keep the habbox tag in the room name as she doesnt have the perms to see the events calender

[Kardan]

sounds like a plan! :) Will see what Smurfed-; and Foregetfuhl; think.

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It's not always a struggle, quite often I have events with 30+ people in, and see others with the same, so I'm not sure why this event in particular was so hard to get started at 6pm on a sunday which is pretty much prime time :P


I can completely agree with you though, more advertising is always beneficial, its just in the past I've always witness non Habbox staff being asked to remove Habbox from their room name unless the room is official, but I do think we should allow any room to be official in that sense if its for the good of Habbox and doing a positive thing.

Would be nice if we were able to help promote it too our end though perhaps so its reflected on the site/forum too etc and recognised as official by us rather than just on the client, so that people don't get confused etc.

By the sounds of it, everything about this event was official except for two things. The fact they were essentially hiring out subo's room... Why this is an issue I don't understand. Surely the event host would be the one hosting the game, and not necessarily the room owner.

And secondly, because it wasn't on the CNB, and by the sounds of it, the reason why it wasn't on there is because restrictions get put in place when it becomes an "official" event. If there are restrictions that are putting people off from hosting then maybe these need to be looked at.

[lawrawrrr]

OH CAN I JUST ADD I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE GUEST HOSTS WHO HAVE SHOWN AN OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTION TO EVENTS BUT WHO DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO ADHERE TO MINIMUMS

[Kardan]

I'm just saying if the rule was brought in that multiple events could run at the same time that there may not be a normal event and a fantastic event like Graham & Co.'s, but there could be two really boring events that few people turn up to anyway.

Yes I do believe that would be the case, if it was in the style of a Habbox competition and could be mistaken for being official, because I think most logical people would say it could come off worse for Habbox's reputation

Exaggeration - I meant more that not enough people would turn up to make the event worth it, or even be able to run!

I think the only real outcomes are these:


2 events are booked and hosted; one exciting and one 'normal' - normal gets 4/5 attendees, exciting gets 50 for the whole hour, basically making the 'normal' host irrelevant because they can't play (and jesus christ that's a really crap feeling when that constantly happens)
2 events are booked and hosted; two 'normal' events - people do not know which one to go to and don't bother seeing which one is running (as I think it would create confusion as Habbo fansites normally don't have more than 1 event at a time)
1 event is booked and hosted; an exciting one, where 50 people turn up for the whole hour, then are directed to the next event, where they MAY go, making an event where normally 10 different people would turn up be more popular


But that's all about official events hosts; as for Habbox members hosting events they can do whatever they please but if Habbox management don't want more than one official event then they are well within their right to ask them to stop portraying it as an official event. Can still advertise without insinuating official event-ness!

If someone was to set up a racist group with [Habbox] tags it'd be the same case really, it's only because Strangers was so popular that this has been brought up. I love the game, but think it should be booked officially and follow proper events protocols, especially when it seems to be at least co-run by an official organiser.

I'm going to assume that most of the forum is capable of recognising whether a competition is official or not by looking to see what forum it's in. I never had any issues when hosting my Mole series, and many many people host competitions all the time. Surely it makes sense that the only official competitions are those in the competitions forum, and you should have free reign to do what you want.

This is another example of the restrictions you get being staff, and I can see why people are put off from being staff.

Frankly, with the events department, it's in such a dire state that anything really would be a positive thing to do - instead of saying 'Oh no, we've got a popular event and the crap event is doing even crapper' we should be asking ourselves 'Why do we have crap events in the first place?'

[Martin]

By the sounds of it, everything about this event was official except for two things. The fact they were essentially hiring out subo's room... Why this is an issue I don't understand. Surely the event host would be the one hosting the game, and not necessarily the room owner.

And secondly, because it wasn't on the CNB, and by the sounds of it, the reason why it wasn't on there is because restrictions get put in place when it becomes an "official" event. If there are restrictions that are putting people off from hosting then maybe these need to be looked at.

If events hosts were hosting then I don't see why it couldnt have been booked officially and added to our panel/calendar/cnb etc, because it was done fine the night before, comity hosted in their as an official event etc.

[sex]

The current policy in events is that only one event can be hosted at a time, so the fact that there were Habbox staff (including events staff) in the strangers game, whilst a trialist was struggling to populate his room in the official event seemed a little unfair.

So you're telling me just because i'm staff means i cant play or host anything outside of normal events for and strictly only for Habbox events? I'm sorry but that is total bull-crap, so what if i hosted the event when someone else was trying to fill theirs. Not once was there any indication that it was an official Habbox event! The room name was simply for promo, something which you encourage over and over again. AGAIN also, so what if we were in another room, i posted about this in the events forum about how no one is joining because you don't expand outside of Habbox, you stick with who your comfortable with and that's why you get no one new to join up or sign up for events staff. You're the problem, not us hosting an un-official event at the same time and some boring ass game no one wanted to play anyways. Also i look in handbook and see nothing about 2 events at the sametime, maybe i need to read it again or maybe you're lying IDK.


I didn't make that policy, its just there, and we don't allow clashes etc. From those who don't know's point of view subo is representing Habbox, and personally I would love it if she became Habbox staff so it could become official all the time etc, not just when a Habbox host is hosting in there etc.

She don't want to as far as im aware, she offered her extremely popular game to allow events hosts only to use and for the last month you have ignored and snubbed her!! Why would she wanna join when you are like that?


Even if she was staff though, we've always discouraged multiple events at the same time, and im pretty sure most places have the same policy, due to how hard it is anyway to get a full room.

Wasn't hard for us, and usually isn't difficult for me to fill my events because i talk to more than 6 people at Habbox, and people outside it unlike you!


You're right in that events generally need to be more varied and interesting (whilst keeping some of the old favourites of course), but we do need to keep things fair and if an event isn't advertised on our site, forum etc, but is treated like a habbox event on the client, people do become confused as to whats going on.


STOP TALKING ABOUT VARITY WHEN YOUVE HOSTED THE EXACT SAME FOUR EVENTS FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS
http://i.imgur.com/XQkBRe4.png
PEOPLE LIKE OLD CLASSICS, YES BUT NOT 6 TIMES A DAY!! MAYBE ONCE A WEEK




Why didn't you book it so it could have been added to the calendar/panel and counted towards your minimum?

Alex told me it had to be in my room for it to be official :)

Bolt660;

[Kardan]

If events hosts were hosting then I don't see why it couldnt have been booked officially and added to our panel/calendar/cnb etc, because it was done fine the night before, comity hosted in their as an official event etc.

How many people check the CNB versus how many people search Habbox on the navigator. As I've said, it seems that the restrictions in place seem to hold people back from putting them on the CNB.

[Samantha]

Just finished reading, but it looks like Subo was asked to remove the tags just because Graham and Myles were there, or just because event staff could ask her. When someone else uses Habbox's tags in the room are they asked to remove it if their room is popular? I highly doubt it. A few questions I have are:

Would she have been asked to remove the tags regardless of whether Graham and Myles were hosting?
Would it have been allowed to be booked when Subo was hosting it and it was in her room (I believe)?
Would it have been allowed to be booked as didn't duo hosts get removed a while ago?

I'm not really fussed, I've just read through the thread and I don't see a massive problem with it, based on she was hosting it hours before a Habbox one began anyway, so she had alreadt established the popularity surely?

[Plebings]

the only problem i'd see with this is if it was only subo hosting, though i'm sure she is a fab host, if something went wrong in the event this may look bad for habbox. i don't see the problem with eos 'renting' out other rooms, to be honest i would encourage it, eos have a responsibility that their event should be as best as they can be, it means we should be able to trust the eos to host anywhere and expect them to have the logic to overcome any problems that might occur if they weren't in their own room. some organisers complain they don't have the resources to host certain events, why not do it in someone else's room then?

if there are habbox staff there to overlook an event hosted by someone who isn't staff then why not? what's wrong with giving the impression someone is habbox staff if they're doing a good job?


OH CAN I JUST ADD I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE GUEST HOSTS WHO HAVE SHOWN AN OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTION TO EVENTS BUT WHO DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO ADHERE TO MINIMUMS


i don't think we'd have many events hosts left if this happened to be fair.

[lawrawrrr]

I'm going to assume that most of the forum is capable of recognising whether a competition is official or not by looking to see what forum it's in. I never had any issues when hosting my Mole series, and many many people host competitions all the time. Surely it makes sense that the only official competitions are those in the competitions forum, and you should have free reign to do what you want.

This is another example of the restrictions you get being staff, and I can see why people are put off from being staff.

Frankly, with the events department, it's in such a dire state that anything really would be a positive thing to do - instead of saying 'Oh no, we've got a popular event and the crap event is doing even crapper' we should be asking ourselves 'Why do we have crap events in the first place?'

I just think, personally, as comps staff, if I (or one of my colleagues) was to post a competition somewhere which followed the same format as official competitions then some people, new people to the forum (maybe some regulars too!!!) might mistake it for an official competition; there is no guarantee I would give out the prize I promise and they might be surprised that Habbox Competitions would scam someone like that; even though it's not in the official forum it LOOKS official to the untrained eye as I do have 'competitions staff' in my usertitle.

There's a lot of answers to everything you've said there but it's all been said time and time again; I think the main bit is it's very difficult to have exciting and new events in exciting and fun rooms all the time, and it depends on the set of staff you have. Events aren't dire at all; far from it, especially during HxSS they EXCELLED. It's natural to lull, especially around school time, in staff numbers and enthusiasm.

[Martin]

So you're telling me just because i'm staff means i cant play or host anything outside of normal events for and strictly only for Habbox events? I'm sorry but that is total bull-crap, so what if i hosted the event when someone else was trying to fill theirs. Not once was there any indication that it was an official Habbox event! The room name was simply for promo, something which you encourage over and over again. AGAIN also, so what if we were in another room, i posted about this in the events forum about how no one is joining because you don't expand outside of Habbox, you stick with who your comfortable with and that's why you get no one new to join up or sign up for events staff. You're the problem, not us hosting an un-official event at the same time and some boring ass game no one wanted to play anyways. Also i look in handbook and see nothing about 2 events at the sametime, maybe i need to read it again or maybe you're lying IDK.


She don't want to as far as im aware, she offered her extremely popular game to allow events hosts only to use and for the last month you have ignored and snubbed her!! Why would she wanna join when you are like that?


Wasn't hard for us, and usually isn't difficult for me to fill my events because i talk to more than 6 people at Habbox, and people outside it unlike you!



STOP TALKING ABOUT VARITY WHEN YOUVE HOSTED THE EXACT SAME FOUR EVENTS FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS
http://i.imgur.com/XQkBRe4.png
PEOPLE LIKE OLD CLASSICS, YES BUT NOT 6 TIMES A DAY!! MAYBE ONCE A WEEK






Alex told me it had to be in my room for it to be official :)

@Bolt660 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55726);


If you're going back two months then add lucky colour, dice battles and higher or lower too :P Some managers don't even do the things their department offers etc, I've known events managers in the past who have hosted virtually no events at all during their times in management, other departments are the same.


Didn't you host in subos room last night and it was official?


I dont see why it would have to be in your room for it to be official if we're allowing other rooms to be treated like habbox rooms?

[lawrawrrr]

i don't think we'd have many events hosts left if this happened to be fair.

depends how it ran, i'd host a few events a month if someone would let me - i'd suggest something to have hosts as they are then have guests on top of that just so there's more events really - guests wouldn't be able to host boring events though!!!


what about a habbox official events room where any staff member can host

[myles]

the only problem i'd see with this is if it was only subo hosting, though i'm sure she is a fab host, if something went wrong in the event this may look bad for habbox. i don't see the problem with eos 'renting' out other rooms, to be honest i would encourage it, eos have a responsibility that their event should be as best as they can be, it means we should be able to trust the eos to host anywhere and expect them to have the logic to overcome any problems that might occur if they weren't in their own room. some organisers complain they don't have the resources to host certain events, why not do it in someone else's room then?

if there are habbox staff there to overlook an event hosted by someone who isn't staff then why not? what's wrong with giving the impression someone is habbox staff if they're doing a good job?



i don't think we'd have many events hosts left if this happened to be fair. yes i dont know who it was but i think it was oldlovesong. well she used to host games in other peoples rooms and i dont think there was ever a problem with it.

[Kardan]

I just think, personally, as comps staff, if I (or one of my colleagues) was to post a competition somewhere which followed the same format as official competitions then some people, new people to the forum (maybe some regulars too!!!) might mistake it for an official competition; there is no guarantee I would give out the prize I promise and they might be surprised that Habbox Competitions would scam someone like that; even though it's not in the official forum it LOOKS official to the untrained eye as I do have 'competitions staff' in my usertitle.

There's a lot of answers to everything you've said there but it's all been said time and time again; I think the main bit is it's very difficult to have exciting and new events in exciting and fun rooms all the time, and it depends on the set of staff you have. Events aren't dire at all; far from it, especially during HxSS they EXCELLED. It's natural to lull, especially around school time, in staff numbers and enthusiasm.

What person in their right mind would lay out a competition like the official ones do? Frankly, if people aren't checking where threads are posted, then it's their own issue really. Also, it's just as likely that new users could easily think any competitions on the forum could be official. I will give you the point that the competitions department is slightly different than the events department here, but you should still be allowed to host competitions, heck, you could even say in the post it's non official.

And it's all fine to have good events for 3 weeks of the whole year, but that's just not good enough. It's not difficult to host events other than fridge and dice luck, just the staff can't be bothered the majority of the time, and you have to ask yourselves why.

[AgnesIO]

If you're going back two months then add lucky colour, dice battles and higher or lower too :P Some managers don't even do the things their department offers etc, I've known events managers in the past who have hosted virtually no events at all during their times in management, other departments are the same.


Didn't you host in subos room last night and it was official?


I dont see why it would have to be in your room for it to be official if we're allowing other rooms to be treated like habbox rooms?

So they should be sacked.

[lawrawrrr]

What person in their right mind would lay out a competition like the official ones do? Frankly, if people aren't checking where threads are posted, then it's their own issue really. Also, it's just as likely that new users could easily think any competitions on the forum could be official. I will give you the point that the competitions department is slightly different than the events department here, but you should still be allowed to host competitions, heck, you could even say in the post it's non official.

And it's all fine to have good events for 3 weeks of the whole year, but that's just not good enough. It's not difficult to host events other than fridge and dice luck, just the staff can't be bothered the majority of the time, and you have to ask yourselves why.

Well I was using it as an example for the events, if you remember, so the event would be hosted like a Habbox event... which most events are......... this thread isn't for complaining about comps and I have no problem with it whatsoever as it is easy to show it's not official etc etc etc, it was all hypothetical.

It's more than 3 weeks of the year, but it's almost impossible to have EVERY SLOT a really fun and exciting event. As for why, I have no idea, they don't get people turn up to boring games so why they don't try and change it up a bit I have no idea. Like, if you host a luck game and you have 2 people turn up you'll probably end up giving away more prizes.... I guess it is a bit of laziness! If I was events management I'd probably create a list of simple and complex events and your quota has to be at least 1 simple and 1 more complex event - something like that.

[sex]

If you're going back two months then add lucky colour, dice battles and higher or lower too :P Some managers don't even do the things their department offers etc, I've known events managers in the past who have hosted virtually no events at all during their times in management, other departments are the same.


Didn't you host in subos room last night and it was official?


I dont see why it would have to be in your room for it to be official if we're allowing other rooms to be treated like habbox rooms?

Alex said i was allowed last night, but if i wanted to host it again it would have to be in my own room cause she isn't staff

[Martin]

So they should be sacked.

They managed it for years :P

What about habboxlive management who never go on air or don't have any minimums in regards of being on air? What about news management not posting articles, what about content management not updating half the site etc?





In regards to this thread I do think changes need to be made, and everyone needs to be on the same wavelength about things. I'm pretty sure graham hosted in there last night and it was all official and booked etc, so I don't understand why he's now not allowed to do this etc.


Whether we allow multiple slots needs to be looked at, because there seems to be a lot of confusion at the moment.

From my point though, if there were empty slots thisafternoon and events staff were able to host and were hosting, then I don't know why they weren't allowed to book them as official events and have them on the calendar/panel etc and to count towards their minimums.

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Alex said i was allowed last night, but if i wanted to host it again it would have to be in my own room cause she isn't staff

but you're hosting though, she isn't?


Surely that's the same principle? if its not on habbox.com etc then it's not really being advertised by Habbox, its not filling our calendar up etc even though there is an event with habbox on the client. People will crossmatch the two and wonder whats going on :P

[lawrawrrr]

It's ridiculous to say events staff can't host in other rooms that's the whole point of saying 'Seach ______ to play....'

not all hosts can afford fabby rooms and I'd quite happily set up a nicer looking one so people would be more interested in staying in the event and give rights to all events hosts

[Kardan]

Well I was using it as an example for the events, if you remember, so the event would be hosted like a Habbox event... which most events are......... this thread isn't for complaining about comps and I have no problem with it whatsoever as it is easy to show it's not official etc etc etc, it was all hypothetical.

It's more than 3 weeks of the year, but it's almost impossible to have EVERY SLOT a really fun and exciting event. As for why, I have no idea, they don't get people turn up to boring games so why they don't try and change it up a bit I have no idea. Like, if you host a luck game and you have 2 people turn up you'll probably end up giving away more prizes.... I guess it is a bit of laziness! If I was events management I'd probably create a list of simple and complex events and your quota has to be at least 1 simple and 1 more complex event - something like that.

How can you host an event that isn't hosted in the same way as a Habbox event? There's not many ways to open/introduce a game etc.

Ok, HxSS is what? 4 weeks max? And yes, it's impossible to have every slot a fun event, but it's clear to everyone that these so called 'boring' events dominate the calendar. If I were events manager, I'd ban these simple games completely.

Maybe that's what Habbox needs, Guest Managers. Someone to come in for a week to each department and be an acting manager, probably best scheduled if a manager needs a week off or something. The guest manager can do all sorts of rule changes that are only effective for the one week, they can't fire staff or anything, and after the week is up, the departmental staff give their feedback on the positive aspects to try and introduce some changes. Should probably also note that the guest manager won't have any chance of replacing a manager, it's just to try and get a fresh new look at things.

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It's ridiculous to say events staff can't host in other rooms that's the whole point of saying 'Seach ______ to play....'

not all hosts can afford fabby rooms and I'd quite happily set up a nicer looking one so people would be more interested in staying in the event and give rights to all events hosts

Whilst I agree with your point, why do we hire hosts that can't afford decent rooms?

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They managed it for years :P

What about habboxlive management who never go on air or don't have any minimums in regards of being on air? What about news management not posting articles, what about content management not updating half the site etc?





In regards to this thread I do think changes need to be made, and everyone needs to be on the same wavelength about things. I'm pretty sure graham hosted in there last night and it was all official and booked etc, so I don't understand why he's now not allowed to do this etc.


Whether we allow multiple slots needs to be looked at, because there seems to be a lot of confusion at the moment.

From my point though, if there were empty slots thisafternoon and events staff were able to host and were hosting, then I don't know why they weren't allowed to book them as official events and have them on the calendar/panel etc and to count towards their minimums.

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but you're hosting though, she isn't?


Surely that's the same principle? if its not on habbox.com etc then it's not really being advertised by Habbox, its not filling our calendar up etc even though there is an event with habbox on the client. People will crossmatch the two and wonder whats going on :P

As for the management point, I do believe management should stick to the quotas they provide. How do they expect their staff to work if managers cannot manage the workload themselves.

[Yawn]

Alex said i was allowed last night, but if i wanted to host it again it would have to be in my own room cause she isn't staff
well thats dumb

i dont get y alex would waste such a gd opportunity over something so pointless

[Martin]

How can you host an event that isn't hosted in the same way as a Habbox event? There's not many ways to open/introduce a game etc.

Ok, HxSS is what? 4 weeks max? And yes, it's impossible to have every slot a fun event, but it's clear to everyone that these so called 'boring' events dominate the calendar. If I were events manager, I'd ban these simple games completely.

Maybe that's what Habbox needs, Guest Managers. Someone to come in for a week to each department and be an acting manager, probably best scheduled if a manager needs a week off or something. The guest manager can do all sorts of rule changes that are only effective for the one week, they can't fire staff or anything, and after the week is up, the departmental staff give their feedback on the positive aspects to try and introduce some changes. Should probably also note that the guest manager won't have any chance of replacing a manager, it's just to try and get a fresh new look at things.

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Whilst I agree with your point, why do we hire hosts that can't afford decent rooms?



Guest managers sound like general management to me :P They review everything we do, they write managers feedback reports etc. We recently received a report with like 14 or so paragraphs in detailing everything that needed improving etc. Normally when a manager is away the AGM will step in etc and oversee things, and that in itself would be a fresh look in a way.

[Samantha]

They managed it for years :P

What about habboxlive management who never go on air or don't have any minimums in regards of being on air? What about news management not posting articles, what about content management not updating half the site etc?





In regards to this thread I do think changes need to be made, and everyone needs to be on the same wavelength about things. I'm pretty sure graham hosted in there last night and it was all official and booked etc, so I don't understand why he's now not allowed to do this etc.


Whether we allow multiple slots needs to be looked at, because there seems to be a lot of confusion at the moment.

From my point though, if there were empty slots thisafternoon and events staff were able to host and were hosting, then I don't know why they weren't allowed to book them as official events and have them on the calendar/panel etc and to count towards their minimums.

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but you're hosting though, she isn't?


Surely that's the same principle? if its not on habbox.com etc then it's not really being advertised by Habbox, its not filling our calendar up etc even though there is an event with habbox on the client. People will crossmatch the two and wonder whats going on :P

A bit flawed as I know HabboxLive management go on air, most of the time news was posted by managers, even Inseriousity.; regardless whether he was our AGM or not told us to post news, but if we didn't we weren't allowed to take the piss and most of the time we met and exceeded the minimum of the department. It's just lacked recently, content I know Skynus does do work as well.

However, I agree, I always think that management should do the work too, it shouldn't just stop due to the status. I admit I think it can be bent a bit for them, but like I said don't take the piss.

Also, I don't mean it in a bad way, but you say vary our events, when yours aren't the most exciting or different are they?

[sex]

They managed it for years :P

What about habboxlive management who never go on air or don't have any minimums in regards of being on air? What about news management not posting articles, what about content management not updating half the site etc?





In regards to this thread I do think changes need to be made, and everyone needs to be on the same wavelength about things. I'm pretty sure graham hosted in there last night and it was all official and booked etc, so I don't understand why he's now not allowed to do this etc.


Whether we allow multiple slots needs to be looked at, because there seems to be a lot of confusion at the moment.

From my point though, if there were empty slots thisafternoon and events staff were able to host and were hosting, then I don't know why they weren't allowed to book them as official events and have them on the calendar/panel etc and to count towards their minimums.

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but you're hosting though, she isn't?


Surely that's the same principle? if its not on habbox.com etc then it's not really being advertised by Habbox, its not filling our calendar up etc even though there is an event with habbox on the client. People will crossmatch the two and wonder whats going on :P

IDK i wasn't the one who said it!!! it wasn't until today again after this thread etc that it was said i could host it and have it count towards my hours. the reason i liked hosting it no official was because it gets exhausting and i took like 40min break during hosting it, which was deserve because we hosted for 4 hours lol... if it was offical event id have to stop after one hour etc an would have to worry about how many games to fit into the hour etc when its impossible to tell because of how the game works. its better to just host it and see how it goes then end it when youre bored/ it starts to empty

[AgnesIO]

They managed it for years :P

What about habboxlive management who never go on air or don't have any minimums in regards of being on air? What about news management not posting articles, what about content management not updating half the site etc?


IF they cannot do the job, they should be sacked. The department is irrelevant.

[myles]

didnt he see how popular it was??? not only with normal habbo players but with habbox users who are sick of the usual and repetitive events

[wixard]

this argument is too civilised and mature

someone spice it up

Edited by Lee (Forum Super Moderator): Dont post pointlessly.

[Samantha]

Oh another thing, like Comity; just said he hosted it for 4 hours, that wouldn't even be allowed at Habbox as we have to 'vary our events' and we'd probably be pushing it at hosting it for 2 hours.

[Kardan]

Guest managers sound like general management to me :P They review everything we do, they write managers feedback reports etc. We recently received a report with like 14 or so paragraphs in detailing everything that needed improving etc. Normally when a manager is away the AGM will step in etc and oversee things, and that in itself would be a fresh look in a way.

I'm going to go ahead and disagree here. When I mean a Guest Manager, I don't mean someone to review stuff and write feedback reports, I mean someone to come in and change the way the department runs. So not offering changes, but doing changes. Then after a week, everyone reviews the changes and they see if anything should be kept to improve how the department runs in the future. When the AGM stands in, I'm pretty sure the majority of the time no rule changes are made.

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Oh another thing, like Comity; just said he hosted it for 4 hours, that wouldn't even be allowed at Habbox as we have to 'vary our events' and we'd probably be pushing it at hosting it for 2 hours.

Another rule that needs changing. Why limit good things?

[lawrawrrr]

How can you host an event that isn't hosted in the same way as a Habbox event? There's not many ways to open/introduce a game etc.

Ok, HxSS is what? 4 weeks max? And yes, it's impossible to have every slot a fun event, but it's clear to everyone that these so called 'boring' events dominate the calendar. If I were events manager, I'd ban these simple games completely.

Maybe that's what Habbox needs, Guest Managers. Someone to come in for a week to each department and be an acting manager, probably best scheduled if a manager needs a week off or something. The guest manager can do all sorts of rule changes that are only effective for the one week, they can't fire staff or anything, and after the week is up, the departmental staff give their feedback on the positive aspects to try and introduce some changes. Should probably also note that the guest manager won't have any chance of replacing a manager, it's just to try and get a fresh new look at things.

Whilst I agree with your point, why do we hire hosts that can't afford decent rooms?



Ye that's what I was saying, I was saying they're the same, that was my point, there's no difference between the two so hard to tell if it's official or not

Yeah but it's STILL unfair to say only good events are hosted in HxSS when that's not true at all, that's just when the bulk of back-to-back popular events happens. Simple games do get people turning up still, and classic games are fun for some people so banning would be a biiiiiiiig step back. I'd definitely limit how many you can host.

omfg I actually kinda like the guest manager idea, couldn't be CALLED that and would have a LOT of risks or things, and it would be EFFORT to revert the changes, but I do think that staff need the opportunity to give their feedback without just knowing it'll be ignored or shot down - or worried - because that's why a lot of staff don't bother sharing management ideas!

BECAUSEEEEE not all habbos are made of money and some might prefer to spend 200c on prizes and give out rares each round whereas another host could spend 200c on a fabby room and give out freeze tiles as prizes

[myles]

whats wrong with hosting for 4 hours when the players are enjoying it and we get crowds piling into the room to play it?

[Kardan]

Ye that's what I was saying, I was saying they're the same, that was my point, there's no difference between the two so hard to tell if it's official or not

Yeah but it's STILL unfair to say only good events are hosted in HxSS when that's not true at all, that's just when the bulk of back-to-back popular events happens. Simple games do get people turning up still, and classic games are fun for some people so banning would be a biiiiiiiig step back. I'd definitely limit how many you can host.

omfg I actually kinda like the guest manager idea, couldn't be CALLED that and would have a LOT of risks or things, and it would be EFFORT to revert the changes, but I do think that staff need the opportunity to give their feedback without just knowing it'll be ignored or shot down - or worried - because that's why a lot of staff don't bother sharing management ideas!

BECAUSEEEEE not all habbos are made of money and some might prefer to spend 200c on prizes and give out rares each round whereas another host could spend 200c on a fabby room and give out freeze tiles as prizes

I don't see how it would be effort to revert the rule changes, most staff members pretty much know the rules of their department inside out, so unless you hired new staff during the guest week, everyone should fit straight back in. Of course, if they didn't want to fit straight back in, surely that suggests that staff would prefer the new rule over the old rule.

And frankly it could be called Guest Manager, I don't see anything wrong with that. Guest Competitions Manager for example is fine.

And fair enough, but I doubt you creating an events room would increase the amount of EOs giving out rares :)

[Plebings]

i think all eos should be forced to have one group room, then if it's ugly we can have a group intervention and get a room makeover and braid each other's hair.

[Martin]

A bit flawed as I know HabboxLive management go on air, most of the time news was posted by managers, even @Inseriousity. (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=26409); regardless whether he was our AGM or not told us to post news, but if we didn't we weren't allowed to take the piss and most of the time we met and exceeded the minimum of the department. It's just lacked recently, content I know Skynus does do work as well.

However, I agree, I always think that management should do the work too, it shouldn't just stop due to the status. I admit I think it can be bent a bit for them, but like I said don't take the piss.

Also, I don't mean it in a bad way, but you say vary our events, when yours aren't the most exciting or different are they?

Sure they go on air, but how often? I mean in terms of having set minimums. For example Events Management have a minimum just like everyone else. If you don't meet those then you also get a warning :P

I strongly agree that this should be the case too, managers of course should get involved and help out. Of course there are a lot of duties on top of that though. Quite often these exciting new games require a lot of furniture, a lot of wired and stuff, and I know I for one struggle enough for prizes sometimes let alone the funds for building fancy new rooms suited for these specialised events. :P

They may be basic, but people do like them, and theyre very often really full if the advertising is done right, a room promo is put up and people inviting etc. I know a few people who simply go looking for bingo's etc, and I guess there has to be a balance. If the people are turning up then I see no problem personally, 30+ is a decent number.


If I was allowed to host in other peoples rooms then I would happily host all kinds of weird and wonderful events, and I think for that reason we should have set rooms in which anyone can host etc rather than sticking to our own rooms all the time perhaps.


Its certainly an interesting debate and has raised lots of questions about the general set up of the department really and perhaps its something general management can work with us to change!

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i think all eos should be forced to have one group room, then if it's ugly we can have a group intervention and get a room makeover and braid each other's hair.

you are welcome to come drop pretty furniture in my group room any day :love:


I will be buying some credits soon hopefully for use as prizes as I've had to sell most of the stuff out of my old rainbow room to get some prizes and stuff, but hopefully then I'll be able to get cracking on something!

[Samantha]

Sure they go on air, but how often? I mean in terms of having set minimums. For example Events Management have a minimum just like everyone else. If you don't meet those then you also get a warning :P

I strongly agree that this should be the case too, managers of course should get involved and help out. Of course there are a lot of duties on top of that though. Quite often these exciting new games require a lot of furniture, a lot of wired and stuff, and I know I for one struggle enough for prizes sometimes let alone the funds for building fancy new rooms suited for these specialised events. :P

They may be basic, but people do like them, and theyre very often really full if the advertising is done right, a room promo is put up and people inviting etc. I know a few people who simply go looking for bingo's etc, and I guess there has to be a balance. If the people are turning up then I see no problem personally, 30+ is a decent number.


If I was allowed to host in other peoples rooms then I would happily host all kinds of weird and wonderful events, and I think for that reason we should have set rooms in which anyone can host etc rather than sticking to our own rooms all the time perhaps.


Its certainly an interesting debate and has raised lots of questions about the general set up of the department really and perhaps its something general management can work with us to change!

HabboxLive managers I believe go on a fair bit, usually when I tune in early in the day Grig; is on at least interacting with everyone listening. I'm not too sure which managers don't do minimums at the moment.

Yeah they're basic, but you tell us to vary your events when yours are a bit repetitive?

[lawrawrrr]

I don't see how it would be effort to revert the rule changes, most staff members pretty much know the rules of their department inside out, so unless you hired new staff during the guest week, everyone should fit straight back in. Of course, if they didn't want to fit straight back in, surely that suggests that staff would prefer the new rule over the old rule.

And frankly it could be called Guest Manager, I don't see anything wrong with that. Guest Competitions Manager for example is fine.

And fair enough, but I doubt you creating an events room would increase the amount of EOs giving out rares :)

Because implementing a rule change then the real manager coming back and having to undo a lot of stuff would be effort, time that could be better spent doing something else. I just think the way things are suggested could be improved a lot, I don't like it being called guest manager as managers have a more serious job to do, not something that can be taken on temporarily!

Oh no, I never said that, you just asked why they'd hire people who don't have great rooms ;)

[Yawn]

its not like any of the events hosted atm though. its completely different i have no idea how it would be fitted in with the current events routine. the current hour slots aren't rly apporpriate. it went on for so many hours and the demand was still there even when we were completely fed up hosting. tbh every1 should just come play and see wat its like for themselves because its incredibly addictive and u will understand once u have experienced it fully. writing about it doesnt rly do it justice or get u to understand well enough.

wat we did is harmless tho and the only actual issue we had was with the other smaller flop event that flopped even more because it was overshadowed. obviously u would want to promote the larger event to the best of ur ability but martin cant just go trampling on other ppls events and feelings. so idk wat u guys can do, like i said u need to find out for urselves.

[Kardan]

Because implementing a rule change then the real manager coming back and having to undo a lot of stuff would be effort, time that could be better spent doing something else. I just think the way things are suggested could be improved a lot, I don't like it being called guest manager as managers have a more serious job to do, not something that can be taken on temporarily!

Oh no, I never said that, you just asked why they'd hire people who don't have great rooms ;)

Can you give me an example of a rule change that would take a long time to put back, because I can't think of one :P

[lawrawrrr]

Can you give me an example of a rule change that would take a long time to put back, because I can't think of one :P

Not necessarily a long time to put back, but say someone was to become manager, they would have the authority to do anything they wanted really - quite a risk - and if they were to make 20 changes that didn't work, the real manager would have to go around posting the rules back to normal, changing them in handbooks, informing the community, the staff - that's all time they could be concocting a good idea or hosting an event or something!

[Martin]

HabboxLive managers I believe go on a fair bit, usually when I tune in early in the day @Grig (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=8106); is on at least interacting with everyone listening. I'm not too sure which managers don't do minimums at the moment.

Yeah they're basic, but you tell us to vary your events when yours are a bit repetitive?

Perhaps not so much current management, but its certainly been noticed and brought up in the past.

I'll host what I enjoy really, if it gets people there then it's obviously not too bad. Theyre so spaced out that it doesn't really seem repetitive, its not like the same event is being hosted twice in a week etc, so I think thats a bit of an over exaggeration. I don't personally go round telling people to vary them, its the general consensus that we want people not hosting the same thing over and over the same week.


but martin cant just go trampling on other ppls events and feelings


I didn't mean to hurt anyones feelings and I'm truly sorry if I did, you know I love your event, I was one of the first people to see it and I think its a brilliant concept and extremely fun, and would love nothing more than for the Habbox name to be recognised with it. I'm sorry :(

[Kardan]

Not necessarily a long time to put back, but say someone was to become manager, they would have the authority to do anything they wanted really - quite a risk - and if they were to make 20 changes that didn't work, the real manager would have to go around posting the rules back to normal, changing them in handbooks, informing the community, the staff - that's all time they could be concocting a good idea or hosting an event or something!

So you're telling me that people are incapable of copy and pasting the old rules/handbooks etc. so they can't be replaced in a weeks time?

And it's not really difficult to inform your staff, create a sticky in the relevant staff forum, and sent out a PM notifying them of the change.

But I'm sure the time would be better spent hosting a game of bingo for 4 people(!) :P

[lawrawrrr]

So you're telling me that people are incapable of copy and pasting the old rules/handbooks etc. so they can't be replaced in a weeks time?

And it's not really difficult to inform your staff, create a sticky in the relevant staff forum, and sent out a PM notifying them of the change.

But I'm sure the time would be better spent hosting a game of bingo for 4 people(!) :P

but that's all a bit of a moot point really, anything extra does waste time, it might not be HARD but it does waste time


i just think the way management take ideas should be improved and if you suggest a managment thing they dont just shoot you down and it's done in a more official manner where you can SEE it's been considered by any seniors, management, AGMs and/or other staff members.

btw, i think a good idea is a suggest ideas thread!!!

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.... as long as people are encouraged to use it properly and not be afraaaaid

[Yawn]

Perhaps not so much current management, but its certainly been noticed and brought up in the past.

I'll host what I enjoy really, if it gets people there then it's obviously not too bad. Theyre so spaced out that it doesn't really seem repetitive, its not like the same event is being hosted twice in a week etc, so I think thats a bit of an over exaggeration. I don't personally go round telling people to vary them, its the general consensus that we want people not hosting the same thing over and over the same week.




I didn't mean to hurt anyones feelings and I'm truly sorry if I did, you know I love your event, I was one of the first people to see it and I think its a brilliant concept and extremely fun, and would love nothing more than for the Habbox name to be recognised with it. I'm sorry :(i was talking about the other flop event owners feelings not my own lol

i.e. u cant keep hosting 1 bigger event over other ppls events. or prioritise and favour 1 event or EO.

[Kardan]

but that's all a bit of a moot point really, anything extra does waste time, it might not be HARD but it does waste time


i just think the way management take ideas should be improved and if you suggest a managment thing they dont just shoot you down and it's done in a more official manner where you can SEE it's been considered by any seniors, management, AGMs and/or other staff members.

btw, i think a good idea is a suggest ideas thread!!!

But the wasted time is moot when it is literally 10 seconds of time.

And we have suggest ideas thread all the time in the feedback forum :P

[FlyingJesus]

Oh another thing, like Comity; just said he hosted it for 4 hours, that wouldn't even be allowed at Habbox as we have to 'vary our events' and we'd probably be pushing it at hosting it for 2 hours.

Wouldn't be an issue if multiple events at one time were allowed. Still not seen an argument against that other than "BUT SOMEONE MIGHT HAVE A CRAP EVENT" in which case they shouldn't be staff :P


I'm going to go ahead and disagree here. When I mean a Guest Manager, I don't mean someone to review stuff and write feedback reports, I mean someone to come in and change the way the department runs. So not offering changes, but doing changes. Then after a week, everyone reviews the changes and they see if anything should be kept to improve how the department runs in the future. When the AGM stands in, I'm pretty sure the majority of the time no rule changes are made.

Not sure how this arose butttt if people have ideas that they'd like to implement if they were a manager then surely they can make feedback threads and gain managerial support through the normal routes rather than having constant disruption to departments and making manager roles pointless. Ideas can be tested without allowing unproven randoms take charge and change the entire structure of a department :P

[lawrawrrr]

But the wasted time is moot when it is literally 10 seconds of time.

And we have suggest ideas thread all the time in the feedback forum :P

Takes more than 10 seconds to remove the rule from the handbook and any other threads, PM all staff and or create a thread informing of rule changes, get that approved by GMs which I assume is still the rule when you want to change major things in a department and maybe inform the community.

And constantly changing rules/regulations is the most popular reason I heard why people resign from Habbox to start with...

Not to mention the fact it takes more than a week for someone to adjust to being manager and noone ever goes into management and starts changing things up before they understand what the role truly entails (which I guarantee is more than most people here would think)

No, in a lot of staff forums we have specific threads, where people who directly see what's going on and are involved in it can comment on how the department is run, rather than some outsiders who, quite frankly, don't understand.

I think there is merit to your idea though, although I would say it wouldn't be official, more... hypothetical: IF you were manager what rule would you change, what would you add to the dept etc (I know I had this question in my RV app and I really liked it!!)

[Kardan]

Wouldn't be an issue if multiple events at one time were allowed. Still not seen an argument against that other than "BUT SOMEONE MIGHT HAVE A CRAP EVENT" in which case they shouldn't be staff :P



Not sure how this arose butttt if people have ideas that they'd like to implement if they were a manager then surely they can make feedback threads and gain managerial support through the normal routes rather than having constant disruption to departments and making manager roles pointless. Ideas can be tested without allowing unproven randoms take charge and change the entire structure of a department :P

You are right, it just seems that the large majority of suggestions are never even considered let alone tested. It was aimed more at when the manager them-self wanted to implement it (For example they wanted a one week break) to try and not undermine the whole point of the manager in the first place :P

[lawrawrrr]

I definitely get the impression a lot of managers are in the state of I'LL RUN MY DEPARTMENT HOW I WANT AND I DON'T WANT ANY FEEDBACK OR ANYTHING

whether that's because they think they're amazing/perfect/betterthanu or because some suggestions are actually crap i have no idea

but when you hear stories that one particular manager shot down a suggestion some people don't even bother suggesting things cos they think their suggestion will be shot down too

[Kardan]

Takes more than 10 seconds to remove the rule from the handbook and any other threads, PM all staff and or create a thread informing of rule changes, get that approved by GMs which I assume is still the rule when you want to change major things in a department and maybe inform the community.

And constantly changing rules/regulations is the most popular reason I heard why people resign from Habbox to start with...

Not to mention the fact it takes more than a week for someone to adjust to being manager and noone ever goes into management and starts changing things up before they understand what the role truly entails (which I guarantee is more than most people here would think)

No, in a lot of staff forums we have specific threads, where people who directly see what's going on and are involved in it can comment on how the department is run, rather than some outsiders who, quite frankly, don't understand.

I think there is merit to your idea though, although I would say it wouldn't be official, more... hypothetical: IF you were manager what rule would you change, what would you add to the dept etc (I know I had this question in my RV app and I really liked it!!)

It of course would take more than 10 seconds to make the changes, but I was referring to reverting the changes back to how they were before, which is what you said :P

And all the points you make are really the whole points of the idea. Sometimes it takes an outsider to see what is going wrong, rather than people that have been used to the same way of life for a while.

Whilst I see the merits in it being hypothetical, that's really the whole point of it not being hypothetical. People can easily ask 'What would you change?', but the reality in seeing the changes made is that people can actually see how things are under the changes.

It's all good to say 'Well, I'd get rid of the boring games'... But what would actually happen if we did get rid of the boring games for a week? At least we'd know once and for all whether it's a good idea or not based on player numbers/staff hosting numbers.

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I definitely get the impression a lot of managers are in the state of I'LL RUN MY DEPARTMENT HOW I WANT AND I DON'T WANT ANY FEEDBACK OR ANYTHING

whether that's because they think they're amazing/perfect/betterthanu or because some suggestions are actually crap i have no idea

but when you hear stories that one particular manager shot down a suggestion some people don't even bother suggesting things cos they think their suggestion will be shot down too

This is my point of it all really. If you had a guest manager for a week that had opposite views/ideas, you'd at least get a chance to see the other side of things :P

[lawrawrrr]

It of course would take more than 10 seconds to make the changes, but I was referring to reverting the changes back to how they were before, which is what you said :P

And all the points you make are really the whole points of the idea. Sometimes it takes an outsider to see what is going wrong, rather than people that have been used to the same way of life for a while.

Whilst I see the merits in it being hypothetical, that's really the whole point of it not being hypothetical. People can easily ask 'What would you change?', but the reality in seeing the changes made is that people can actually see how things are under the changes.

It's all good to say 'Well, I'd get rid of the boring games'... But what would actually happen if we did get rid of the boring games for a week? At least we'd know once and for all whether it's a good idea or not based on player numbers/staff hosting numbers.

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This is my point of it all really. If you had a guest manager for a week that had opposite views/ideas, you'd at least get a chance to see the other side of things :P

I'm about to sleep and fed up of this never ending cyclical argument so all I'm gonna say is

It is not possible to be a proper manager for a week, hypotheticals is the only way to go

Outsiders may not understand what happen in the department (eg people saying content or graphics should be shut)

Implementing then almost immediately reverting them is a waste of everyone's time, ideas should be put to managers and staff before being implemented


And finally;

ENCOURAGE PEOPLE WHO DO GOOD THINGS DONT MAKE THEIR LIVES HARDER


on phone xx

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*do good things or offer advice, good or bad


on phone xx

[Kardan]

I'm about to sleep and fed up of this never ending cyclical argument so all I'm gonna say is

It is not possible to be a proper manager for a week, hypotheticals is the only way to go

Outsiders may not understand what happen in the department (eg people saying content or graphics should be shut)

Implementing then almost immediately reverting them is a waste of everyone's time, ideas should be put to managers and staff before being implemented


And finally;

ENCOURAGE PEOPLE WHO DO GOOD THINGS DONT MAKE THEIR LIVES HARDER


on phone xx

---------- Post added 09-09-2013 at 01:33 AM ----------

*do good things or offer advice, good or bad


on phone xx

Whilst I agree with you that it won't ever get implemented, I think hypotheticals are extremely ineffective. The majority of people will just not change anything and carry on with the way things are...

[lawrawrrr]

Whilst I agree with you that it won't ever get implemented, I think hypotheticals are extremely ineffective. The majority of people will just not change anything and carry on with the way things are...

The way a lot of it is at the moment management don't change anything because they're not given suggestions. Had the same thing as News manager (well, asst mainly) - people moaned it wasn't good but didn't give us feedback, when we HAD a suggestion we implemented it and it was good! There just needs to be an official method of suggesting management changes people aren't afraid to use - i'd suggest anonymity - which managers could bounce ideas off

ok really that was my final post now niiiight

[karter]

swear I haven't seen anything except dont roll a 6/bingo/(insert dice/mocha/fridge game here)

SO THESE EVENTS ARE FRESH AND NICE

[Yupt]

I didn't know that they were told to remove the Habbox tag, well that's just stupid. Would you tell trade city or whatever room sponsors Habbox to remove the tag because its getting more visitors than hxhd?

Also I think 650c (sorry I can't work out how to tag on tapatalk) should get credit for his different events with the cannons, they're good fun too but just need to be more popular, check them out!!!!

[Inseriousity.]

If it was an unofficial event then I don't see the point of removing the tags. However, I also wouldn't count it as official hours afterwards. I think it's quite good that members of the community are thinking of ideas and getting involved and things being unofficial gives these things a sense of freedom (The Mole, being another example).

As for multiple events at the same time, I believe it's the next step and was something I wanted to try out so the department heading in that direction would be an interesting experiment.

With regards to suggestions and management being stuck in their ways, I genuinely believe this is not the case for the vast majority of managers but especially the events department. I can say that Smurfed- takes every bit of critique as a personal insult and does his best to implement any suggestions. I know (cos I've seen it with my own eyes) that Alex and Martin are constantly batting ideas - and ideas suggested to them - around and striving to improve the department in any way they can even with a barrage of 20 questions from me just to constantly evaluate and see if there's an alternative path. That is what every manager does.

If a manager says no to your idea, it is simply because it is them who has to implement it and put a theoretical idea into a practical system. It is all very well saying, "I've got an idea, we should do x, y, z" but it is then up to the managers to evaluate how to do x,y and z while still maintaining all sorts of other factors - is this idea going to impact on staff morale? has this idea got a solid basis in fact? is this idea stable long term? will this idea change the rules and turn the department into a dictatorship/no-go zone when they're actually volunteers and can leave any time? - that the person suggesting hasn't considered. If a manager says no to your idea, it is not because they're dictators, determined to stick to their comfort zone and refusing to accept any new ideas other than their own system. It is simply because it is not good enough.

If someone has lots of ideas brimming away inside their head then naturally, they're going to get a few duds but none of that matters if there's a treasure of an idea amongst all the ****. When I was AGM, creativity was the biggest thing I looked for in a person. You want to be a senior/head? You want to be management? You need - well past tense now lol needed - to show to me that you could think outside the box when you're not a manager or you're never going to think outside the box when you are a manager - and quite frankly, never going to get there to even prove me otherwise. So suggest away. I disagree with you laura here. I think the vast majority of the time, staff don't suggest ideas they have not because they're scared of rejection but because there seems to be a mentality at Habbox that "you're the manager, that's your job, not mine" and it's sad really. I also think people say they have more ideas than they actually do and their 'suggestions' are more of a rant about what is wrong with the department rather than any constructive solutions to fixing those problems.

There are however a small minority (often the ones who are the next managers before they even get there) who do have ideas and are perhaps too scared to admit it so perhaps there is some merit in the suggestion to open up the system and show that it's been discussed while still maintaining that 'we've discussed it and decided no, let's move onto the next idea' because I think some people get attached to their ideas and take it personally when they are rejected when actually it's the idea under discussion not the person.

As for the idea of guest manager, if general management don't trust their managers then quite frankly, they need to be rid of. This is a stupid idea (FlyingJesus has already put it succinctly so I can be blunt). If managers aren't implementing every single suggestion, it means they're a good manager not a terrible one because they have some sort of plan/vision for their department and can consequently organise ideas into a pile of good and bad.

[lawrawrrr]

I actually completely agree with what you've said Mike, the only points I would raise is that there definitely is an attitude of 'I won't bother suggesting, management don't change anything' among a lot of staff members, and I'm not surprised you haven't seen it as you have been management for a long time. I've been in that position for quite a while, and I know many other staff members who have told me the same thing.

This works on a manager and AGM level.

The other point is just that


if general management don't trust their managers then quite frankly, they need to be rid of

I think it's fair to say that we see managers doing next to nothing and receiving multiple complaints and still not being fired
so hopefully you can understand that point of view!

I think the best thing is just showing the train of thought: showing it has been discussed and not just ignored. Happened to an idea of mine recently, I had to chase the AGM up to find out what was going on with it, which many newer members might not.

[Inseriousity.]

I have seen that but it's often an excuse I think because if they were being more accurate, it'd be "I won't bother suggesting, I have no ideas of my own" but it's much easier to point the finger elsewhere. Perhaps next time someone says that, you should ask them for their ideas and say you'll take it up on their behalf and then see for yourself whether it actually is true. I mean sure you could focus on all the times management don't change something or you could look at the times they have. I don't think it's necessarily management's fault if someone is too afraid. They are managers, they can't say yes to everything and I'm sure you'll agree that being an ex-manager yourself so if someone automatically assumes they will say no to everything then that is their problem they need to work through.

Don't think it's fair to say that at all. Complaints are like feedback, you need to make a decision as to whether there is any merit/validity in someone's suggestion/complaint and act accordingly. I fired multiple managers (and a few resignations were forced too), Elegance as comps manager, Logan as HxL manager (and Logan actually did do stuff! I just didn't trust that he could take the department forward so he had to go) and a few others who went more quietly. If I fired someone every time someone made a complaint about them, we'd have no management left. Again, the issue here seems to be with openness. Complaints have always been sorted out behind closed doors but again, I think you'll just have to trust that the AGM has considered the complaint and acted as they saw fit. My own course of action was to work closely with the manager and see for myself whether 'they weren't doing anything' complaints had any truth in it and if there was then they'd have been removed.

[lawrawrrr]

Oh yes, people do use it as an excuse, but then they have no excuse to complain when they haven't bothered to suggest. I used that a LOT in News, a staff member would say omfg it's so bad then I'd hit back with then what are your suggestions then? Nothing came, then they can't really complain and blame the manager. It's not the managers fault at all if they're afraid, but I do feel like they should be doing more to encourage ideas because it's natural to be a bit worried to speak against someone who is effectively your boss.

I also realise you can't say yes to everything, which is what I said above, but I do think that the suggester should be shown that the idea has been discussed - not just "no", say WHY it's a no if it's not been discussed publicly with the rest of the staff members.

A few managers might have been fired, but very few are actually given a kick up the bum for doing nothing. Like, when something is clearly lacking/wrong, it took months and a new AGM for anything to be done about my complaint/suggestion.

Thing is, if the AGM was to REPLY to complaints saying what they'd done or that "something has been done/is being done" rather than just leaving the PM/thread it'd be much better. Or even replying saying WHY nothing will be done - "Sorry, x, we actually want HabboxLive to have no DJs, that's why we're letting x stay as manager" (hyperbolic+hypothetical response ok I'm not targetting)

If someone sends a complaint and never hears back it's natural to suggest it's not been read or nothings happening about it. A little bit of communication goes a long way!

I know with my last two.... feedback ideas/complaints I've chased the AGM/manager up and I've been satisfied with the response after that, but that's only because I feel secure enough with my Habbox experience and the fact I'm friendly with the AGMs involved. A lot of people wouldn't chase it up because they see AGMs as 'untouchable' - but I do think that a simple reply would go a HELL of a long way.


Complaints have always been sorted out behind closed doors
funny how the person who is being complained about always finds out isn't it :rolleyes:

[Inseriousity.]

I never got any complaints from you about a manager if the new AGM there refers to Jade. :)
I always replied to complaints, "this is being investigated sorry blah blah blah" and then another one with my findings and what action I took so yes when you investigate something, they're not dumb they're going to assume someone complained and perhaps they'd take a wild stab at the dark and guess right who did although I'd never say names so they never got that information from me.

You don't see the kick up the bum is my point!

[lawrawrrr]

I never got any complaints from you about a manager if the new AGM there refers to Jade. :)
I always replied to complaints, "this is being investigated sorry blah blah blah" and then another one with my findings and what action I took so yes when you investigate something, they're not dumb they're going to assume someone complained and perhaps they'd take a wild stab at the dark and guess right who did although I'd never say names so they never got that information from me.

You don't see the kick up the bum is my point!

Like you said, I haven't really dealt with you that much, but not all management do this - during hxss some of my complaints weren't even replied to, by anyone. There needs to be a proper procedure for dealing with complaints because it seems to be completely down to each manager...

I get that you don't see it but I think with a procedure, as I just mentioned, people would be happier as they might have more of an idea something is happening!


on phone xx

[Inseriousity.]

There is a proper procedure though.

You PM or make a thread in complaints forum.
It's looked into.
You get a reply with the -A-GM's decision.

HxSS is slightly different because it's hard to distinguish what's banter and what's feedback. The threads make it clear that you're supposed to PM [AGM Community] or [GM] if there are any problems so I'm a bit confused by the apparent lack of procedure!

[Mr-Trainor]

Read most of this thread and I think that being able to host more than one event at the same time could be a good idea. However, it does have some negatives too. It could create rivalry in the department, with two people hosting an event at the same time and then fighting to get people to their event :P. And what I mean by that is like, person A books event for 12PM. Person B who doesn't get along well with person A decides to also host an event at 12PM but hosts a more exciting event in order to get the people in that slot away from person As event.

But anyway, what to consider before all that, is will enough people go to the events in order to fill up more than one event in a slot? I've been to events in the past - ok, not so recent but still - where we had to wait sometimes 10 minutes before we got enough people. That was probably off peak though. But I do think that the more rooms the better, just as long as they're not all struggling to get people.

[FlyingJesus]

In that case Person A shouldn't be hosting a crap event lol, and anyway Habbox still wins

[lawrawrrr]

my point was only you don't always get a reply from managers or general managers, agms are better but managers should have a proper procedure in place cos there sure as hell wasnt one when i was manager

[Bails]

In that case Person A shouldn't be hosting a crap event lol, and anyway Habbox still wins

While I see where you're coming from and I seem to have picked up your theme throughout the entire thread about hosting 'crap' events - May I ask if you expect an amazing quality, 100% no faulting, original game on every slot? (I'm not being funny/sarcastic, genuine).

[FlyingJesus]

No but I expect games that are fun to play. It's been established many times before in feedback and polls (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=782125) that certain events just aren't what people want to be playing, yet they keep happening and then there's somehow confusion over why some events struggle to get people turning up.

[Yawn]

Don't get a carrot/roll a 6 - 00%, 0 votes
i c

[AgnesIO]

i c

The results show how much peeps want to play dat

[Rixion]

This whole thing is madness, maybe the user with the lessor liked event should go back to a drawing board and think of a unique concept to pull in users because (as proven) when the tag was removed the room was still suffering from lack of users whilst the other remained congested. And it's only common sense to promote Habbox as much as possible, and if this popular room is constantly pulling in high amounts of users it would be crazy to stop, it's like a Habbox gold mine really.

[FlyingJesus]

Good to see that the events hosted are becoming more like what people wanted to actually play (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=782125)! Let's have a look at what's booked for today

zebbadi - Fridge Game (essentially don't get a carrot, 0 votes)
zebbadi - Unscramble (0 votes)
.Cymru. - Addition (1 vote)
.Cymru. - Unlucky Chair (0 votes)
Bolt660 - Fastest Typer (0 votes)
Civilisation - Habbo Races (not sure if this is pod racing style (0 votes) or Mario Kart style (4 votes))
JamesSparky - Elimination (no idea what this is, possibly something new :O :O :O )
DailyBread - Spell Check (nice spin on FT, could be good idk)

Oh maybe not then. So that's potentially 2 popular games in an entire day.

Also didn't we used to claim we were better than HFFM because we hosted more games than them? We have 22 event staff and are only averaging 8 games per day so far this month. I know we're not as international as we'd like to be but missing out on two thirds of the day is a bit much really. Not at all suggesting that regular staff should be on every single day but surely there's SOME passion in the team. That's passion btw, not attitude, which is what I encountered earlier when I asked a certain member of staff why he hosted unpopular events - apparently the Habbox community are the ones who are wrong, not him, because 10 people (half of whom are staff) turn up to his games.

[Yupt]

Good to see that the events hosted are becoming more like what people wanted to actually play (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=782125)! Let's have a look at what's booked for today

zebbadi - Fridge Game (essentially don't get a carrot, 0 votes)
zebbadi - Unscramble (0 votes)
.Cymru. - Addition (1 vote)
.Cymru. - Unlucky Chair (0 votes)
Bolt660 - Fastest Typer (0 votes)
Civilisation - Habbo Races (not sure if this is pod racing style (0 votes) or Mario Kart style (4 votes))
JamesSparky - Elimination (no idea what this is, possibly something new :O :O :O )
DailyBread - Spell Check (nice spin on FT, could be good idk)

Oh maybe not then. So that's potentially 2 popular games in an entire day.

Also didn't we used to claim we were better than HFFM because we hosted more games than them? We have 22 event staff and are only averaging 8 games per day so far this month. I know we're not as international as we'd like to be but missing out on two thirds of the day is a bit much really. Not at all suggesting that regular staff should be on every single day but surely there's SOME passion in the team. That's passion btw, not attitude, which is what I encountered earlier when I asked a certain member of staff why he hosted unpopular events - apparently the Habbox community are the ones who are wrong, not him, because 10 people (half of whom are staff) turn up to his games.

I've also been comparing our events popularity with HFFM and 8 times out of 10 HFFM have a far more superior number of visitors in their rooms. When Habbox's event seem to linger in the high teens and lower twenties 18-23 HFFM seem to always be in the low thirties.

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah management used to get around that by claiming that we have more events so more visitors overall but that hasn't been true for quite a while now... The simple fact is that they host events that people actually want to go to (not just people on the host's list) and don't allow their staff to simply stagnate.

Our newest lot seem promising: Graham and Myles made The Strangers, Gina did Duck Races for a bit which was fab, and DailyBread seems to be getting inventive too. A lot of the time though people seem content to just host boring games where they sit and talk to their friends rather than work to improve the department, or in some cases coughCASSIEcough actually subvert their fellow EOs by complaining about their events and bullying them on a personal level

[God]

Well from the last 2 pages Ive read (tried reading the first page but got bored...) anywho the issue being thrown around is what type of events are being hosted. I know a lot of events arn't on everyones fav list, and some are. I know not a lot of people like addition while some do. I loved it personally Js and Warren was pro at it! But back to the point. People want Fun, new games and you gotta give them what the want, as your hosting events for them. Not yourself. I know some hosts don't have the means to host some fancier games, but it wouldn't be a problem for them to ask another host to borrow some furni, or to even use their event room to host it.

[sex]

again nothing will change with martin in charge since he has the interaction skills of a robot, he cant get the people who will host good events to join because he doesn't do what any good manager should do and make friends and mingle outside of habbox. hes good on the paperwork side of things but when it comes to getting things done he isnt the person for the job

i said this in staff forum and he ignored it (whist everyone agreed with me)

if he put as much time and effort as he does into flirting and finding boyfriends on the forum maybe events would have a TINY chance

[Plebings]

it all starts on client. how do we expect to gain members when the public won't even want to enter your room? the words fallin furni and don't get a carrot carry a stigma that put off the majority of people, sure the room might be nice on the inside, but when i'm looking through the navigator and i see basic games being hosted, more often than not i presume it'll be a scam. we need to make the rooms look inviting first and foremost, hosting easily put together games like these don't attract people.

(i can't really talk since i haven't done any events in a while, sorry)

[God]

again nothing will change with martin in charge since he has the interaction skills of a robot, he cant get the people who will host good events to join because he doesn't do what any good manager should do and make friends and mingle outside of habbox. hes good on the paperwork side of things but when it comes to getting things done he isnt the person for the job

i said this in staff forum and he ignored it (whist everyone agreed with me)

if he put as much time and effort as he does into flirting and finding boyfriends on the forum maybe events would have a TINY chance

Tots Agree with this lol. Unfortunately for Habbox it has to be like this :L .Cymru.; for Events Manager!

[sex]

also when i attend a game, may it be habbox or not if i see someone talk like a noob and add irl to the end of everything im going to assume my prize is a freeze tile

[RyRy]

Is this thread still going on, I thought he was joking

[FlyingJesus]

The title is a joke, the need for drastic improvements isn't.
I like Alex and Martin but they simply aren't management material - Alex hasn't even replied to this thread once despite it directly concerning his department all the way through, and Martin's input was to apologise and say he doesn't like hurting peoples' feelings. Good management would see the problems afoot and at least one easily enacted solution that's been suggested (namely, allowing multiple events at a time) and implement the change immediately. What's happened instead is a flat nothing, and now as far as I can tell Graham's given up and others appear set to follow. If Habbox as an institution wasn't so set against employing managers for their management abilities rather than how chummy they are then I could reasonably hope for improvement to come, but as it stands we are as I said before merely stagnating.


ps: Only 5 of the current 20 events staff have responded to this, loving the enthusiasm. Good work team

[Martin]

Going to keep this brief but just wanted to clear up a few things. Firstly, I think some of the issues raised in this thread have been spot on, and it's clear that there is a lot of work to be done in improving the department. Is this something new, and something which only effects this particular department? Probably not. Habbox isn't just about events, its about the entire package, its about the impression people get when they view our site, its the impression they get when they visit our official rooms, its the impression they get when they visit our forum and read our posts too. Things such as giveaways, and things which entice people to be part of something are always hosted by other sites, and perhaps we are lacking in this area too in terms of trying to get numbers up.

That being said, of course events play a huge role in attracting people to the site, and as rightly mentioned in this thread, one of the key aims needs to be making events unique and exciting where possible. Taking a quick look at other fansites, its evident that the majority of their events are the standard 'pod racing' 'fallin furni' and even 'cossie change' etc too, so I guess if they're able to fill those rooms then there must be some demand somewhere.



No but I expect games that are fun to play. It's been established many times before in feedback and polls (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=782125) that certain events just aren't what people want to be playing, yet they keep happening and then there's somehow confusion over why some events struggle to get people turning up.

The problem I have with that particular poll is that it's rather ambiguous. Whilst I fully support trying to find out what the public want to see, I just think that the amount of replies in that poll/thread does not fully represent our Habbo userbase fully, quite a large number of forum members don't often come to events, and there is kind of a division there I guess. The fact that the poll was also not multiple choice could throw up a few problems too, as people's '2nd favourite' could have been something far different, and one popular game 'Melting Carpets' cannot be hosted all the time.

Bingo came second favourite in that poll, but people have often been berated for hosting too much Bingo, with people saying how boring it is etc, so I guess different people have different opinions. Only 8 people voted for 'other' which isn't really that signficant. I think its better to ask people what they want to see hosted, rather than just their one favourite event in such a minor proportion.



Good to see that the events hosted are becoming more like what people wanted to actually play (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=782125)! Let's have a look at what's booked for today

zebbadi - Fridge Game (essentially don't get a carrot, 0 votes)
zebbadi - Unscramble (0 votes)
.Cymru. - Addition (1 vote)
.Cymru. - Unlucky Chair (0 votes)
Bolt660 - Fastest Typer (0 votes)
Civilisation - Habbo Races (not sure if this is pod racing style (0 votes) or Mario Kart style (4 votes))
JamesSparky - Elimination (no idea what this is, possibly something new :O :O :O )
DailyBread - Spell Check (nice spin on FT, could be good idk)

Oh maybe not then. So that's potentially 2 popular games in an entire day.

Also didn't we used to claim we were better than HFFM because we hosted more games than them? We have 22 event staff and are only averaging 8 games per day so far this month. I know we're not as international as we'd like to be but missing out on two thirds of the day is a bit much really. Not at all suggesting that regular staff should be on every single day but surely there's SOME passion in the team. That's passion btw, not attitude, which is what I encountered earlier when I asked a certain member of staff why he hosted unpopular events - apparently the Habbox community are the ones who are wrong, not him, because 10 people (half of whom are staff) turn up to his games.

Again, this isn't always the case. I've often hosted events such as 'pod racing' and had a full room, its not always about that and I do know some people that will happilly play and enjoy that event. What I'm trying to say is that I fully support the need to have new and exciting events, but I do think there is place for some of the old ones to be thrown in too occasionally.

The amount of events being hosted is something we continuously try to improve. Getting staff is often difficult, and unfortunately applications sometimes run dry, despite our best efforts. I think the fact that people have to donate their own furniture for use as prizes etc can often put a lot of people off, funds has always been one of the most annoying things within the department as they simply aren't there. We'd love to build big fancy permanent events rooms which could be used by everyone, but funding these isn't always easy, especially when you have big events/seasonal changes to implement etc such as halloween furniture/christmas furniture etc.

There has been a year on year improvement between 2012 and 2013 which you would expect really, with only three days having less events than this time last year. The 'Back To School' promotion was running last year too, so that's quite a leap really. This time of year is very often quiet, but as we get into the next month or so I fully expect things to pick up- that being with taking onboard suggestions mentioned in this thread, and continuing to try and ensure that events are varied (I myself am guilty for this).

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3865423/eventscomparison.png



Yeah management used to get around that by claiming that we have more events so more visitors overall but that hasn't been true for quite a while now... The simple fact is that they host events that people actually want to go to (not just people on the host's list) and don't allow their staff to simply stagnate.

Our newest lot seem promising: Graham and Myles made The Strangers, Gina did Duck Races for a bit which was fab, and DailyBread seems to be getting inventive too. A lot of the time though people seem content to just host boring games where they sit and talk to their friends rather than work to improve the department, or in some cases coughCASSIEcough actually subvert their fellow EOs by complaining about their events and bullying them on a personal level

If you have a complaint or issue regarding any member of events staff then do feel free to let us know via PM, quite often a screenshot is useful, especially in regards to bullying as this is an extremely serious issue and will need to be looked into by general management. I personally loved Gina's Duck Races too, but for some reason she didn't like it unfortunately, and felt people did not enjoy the event which was a shame.


again nothing will change with martin in charge since he has the interaction skills of a robot, he cant get the people who will host good events to join because he doesn't do what any good manager should do and make friends and mingle outside of habbox. hes good on the paperwork side of things but when it comes to getting things done he isnt the person for the job

i said this in staff forum and he ignored it (whist everyone agreed with me)

if he put as much time and effort as he does into flirting and finding boyfriends on the forum maybe events would have a TINY chance

Interaction has always been something I've struggled with since a young age, I'm not the most confident in terms of speaking and suffer quite often from nerves etc. Making friends has always been hard, probably why I've never really had any in the real world other than the times I've been lucky enough to meet a few people from here. I do try my hardest to talk to people, I speak to a lot of people in events, especially the regulars, and I'd like to think that one thing that a lot of events organisers have improved in is their ability to welcome new members and make them feel welcome.

I don't recall you saying such things in the staff forums, but I apologise if I missed something, you could have always talked to me privately if you had any concerns. :P I'm not sure what you mean in terms of your last line, I'm good at the administrative stuff, but not at what?

I'm not sure if it was you or someone else who mentioned dedication and me 'leaving all the time' etc. I know i'm not perfect, I wouldn't really want to be, but over the past four years I've never really stopped working for Habbox in some shape or form. I was Assistant General Manager for a year, News Manager for over a year, Super Moderator for over a year, I've currently been back in the events department for a year, and same with the moderation department. Yes- my signature may make it look like I come and resign a week later, but often its been after a long period in said jobs.

I don't want to argue Graham, because I do really admire you and your passion for wanting things to improve- I think we all want that. We're volunteers on a Habbo fansite, we don't HAVE to care, but we do or we wouldn't be here. It's not some power trip, its about wanting to do our best to make a difference. You don't always see what goes on behind the scenes, but a lot of stuff is discussed.

Obviously a key point to any management team is the Assistant General Manager, who overlooks everything, and we're really lucky to have Jade now to be involved and overlook things. We received a report at the beginning of the month highlighting things that need to be improved etc and giving us things to work on, and there are a lot I fully understand.

I just don't think bringing personal things into it is fair really and I apologise if I've said anything to upset or anger you, but I promise that was not my intention at all.



also when i attend a game, may it be habbox or not if i see someone talk like a noob and add irl to the end of everything im going to assume my prize is a freeze tile

Unfortunately that's just the way I am and it's not something I can easily change, but I will do my best, everyone has little bad habbits. I can assure you the prizes are much better than a freeze tile. :P


The title is a joke, the need for drastic improvements isn't.
I like Alex and Martin but they simply aren't management material - Alex hasn't even replied to this thread once despite it directly concerning his department all the way through, and Martin's input was to apologise and say he doesn't like hurting peoples' feelings. Good management would see the problems afoot and at least one easily enacted solution that's been suggested (namely, allowing multiple events at a time) and implement the change immediately. What's happened instead is a flat nothing, and now as far as I can tell Graham's given up and others appear set to follow. If Habbox as an institution wasn't so set against employing managers for their management abilities rather than how chummy they are then I could reasonably hope for improvement to come, but as it stands we are as I said before merely stagnating.


ps: Only 5 of the current 20 events staff have responded to this, loving the enthusiasm. Good work team

Alex apologises for not replying, he's been on limited activity this week, and is settling back into college etc. The kinds of problems seen in this thread are things we would have to discuss and clear with our Assistant General Manager anyway as managers cannot make those kinds of decisions and just pass them like that without discussion, that's not my rules thats just how things normally are. As we've seen in the past, implementing changes immediately isn't always to the benefit of Habbox, and just because a couple of people mention it, doesn't mean its backed by all (staff included, who are also part of the community and might not want to be sat in their events rooms whilst another one is full.) I DO think its a good idea in practice, but perhaps best waited for until we can work on getting the main event numbers up for the ONE event which is happening each hour. If you want a fuller calendar, then allowing people to host at the same time could be problematic if people host their minimums at the same time :P

I actually showed support for your idea in post #74 of this thread, (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=786952&p=8009092#post8009092) and tagged the relevant people (Alex and Jade) for their opinions. This was back on the 9th, but I believe Jade has been away for a while, and Alex has been on limited activity this week. Alex has asked me to apologise for his lack of reply in this thread.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=784400
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=784739&p=7993523#post7993523
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=785543&p=7993169#post7993169
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=782074 - We introduced this based on member feedback
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=782074&p=7951884#post7951884


We do try to listen to all feedback, and act upon it as priority, and I do apologise for the lack of reply you've been given, and the lack of action taken. Staffing issues have been up and down lately accross departments, and I'm sure you can fully understand that when you have people coming and going on a regular basis (be it because they are too busy with uni etc), then getting the message accross can be difficult at times in regards of getting people to be creative etc.

Whether we are 'management material' is another issue, and I agree there are times where things could be done a lot quicker, but as you also mention, it is a team effort, right from the top to the bottom and things such as 'allowing people to host whenever they like' is something that would need to be discussed fully before just being introduced out of the blue and unfortunately people have been away/inactive lately to reply etc.





The bottom line is, there are currently a number of problems being faced in the department, some of which rely on a number of factors. I agree with most of your points, and I'm sorry for not putting 100% into everything as of late, however we shall make it our priority to get together and discuss this feedback soon I promise you. :)

[AgnesIO]

Alex apologises for not replying, he's been on limited activity this week, and is settling back into college etc.

The thread is 12 days old - now as someone who has just left college, I have never fully understood the "settling back in" thing - just sounds like "can't be arsed" thing lol

[Kardan]

Just a quick note on the improvments in the events booking between 2013 and 2012, it's all good having an increase, but there's not much difference in hosting 6 events on one day last year, and 7 events on the same day this year when other fansites are hosting 18+ events on the same day.

[FlyingJesus]

The minimums ought to be raised really; as far as I'm aware it's only 2 events a week which is nothing, especially for those who host really simple games that require no effort. 2 hours out of 168, half of which are probably spent on the hotel anyway. Also what is the reason for events not being (at least partly) funded? The lottery seems to do fairly well, and comps is fully endorsed despite the total cost per person per week being like 10c. Having credit incentives for those who host often and successfully would boost team morale, cause more events to be hosted, and entice people to join up - especially since in some events the host can end up giving away anywhere up to 50c in the hour. Perhaps it would be worth having official grabber events open more often to raise funds, people do like playing those anyway

[sex]

The minimums ought to be raised really; as far as I'm aware it's only 2 events a week which is nothing, especially for those who host really simple games that require no effort. 2 hours out of 168, half of which are probably spent on the hotel anyway. Also what is the reason for events not being (at least partly) funded? The lottery seems to do fairly well, and comps is fully endorsed despite the total cost per person per week being like 10c. Having credit incentives for those who host often and successfully would boost team morale, cause more events to be hosted, and entice people to join up - especially since in some events the host can end up giving away anywhere up to 50c in the hour. Perhaps it would be worth having official grabber events open more often to raise funds, people do like playing those anyway

Its sorted funded, not really in a great way though. I hosted like 12 events i think it was, maybe more not sure but around that number and i got 5 pieces of furni (WHICH IVE YET TO GET). Which is nothing as that's given out in one/two rounds (depending on the host, ie; not cassie)

[Yupt]

loving the event on atm though.

[sex]

loving the event on atm though.

i can't get into the room it's full

[Yupt]

i can't get into the room it's full Y U RESIGNED.

[Phil]

The minimums ought to be raised really; as far as I'm aware it's only 2 events a week which is nothing, especially for those who host really simple games that require no effort. 2 hours out of 168, half of which are probably spent on the hotel anyway. Also what is the reason for events not being (at least partly) funded? The lottery seems to do fairly well, and comps is fully endorsed despite the total cost per person per week being like 10c. Having credit incentives for those who host often and successfully would boost team morale, cause more events to be hosted, and entice people to join up - especially since in some events the host can end up giving away anywhere up to 50c in the hour. Perhaps it would be worth having official grabber events open more often to raise funds, people do like playing those anyway

I somewhat agree with what you've said here but I don't think raising the minimum will work especially since school/college/uni et.c has started back. There are currently 21 events staff (not sure how many are intl.). Those in the BST timezone will all be looking to host events in the evenings after school and if the minimum is increased, it will become hard for people to meet their minimums. Also, speaking to some events staff somewhat recently, they also think that an increase in the minimum would be too much and would bring too much pressure.

For those reasons, I think the minimum is fine. Hopefully people are in the department because they care about Habbox and want to help it improve and for this reason they should host more events. If the minimum were to increase, I think staff will start to feel under pressure, it will then become a chore and they'll resign and I think Events need to keep whatever staff they can because for some reason staff turnover hasn't been too great recently.




As someone who has seen the department grow since early 2010, I think it's important to remember how far it has come. Heck, even before I was manager the minimum was three events PER MONTH, there was no panel, no advertisement on habbox.com (apart from advertisement on air) and while there hasn't been any massive changes lately, the department can only get better from here. People saying that Martin and Alex aren't fit to run the team, I think that's crap. I think it's very unfair to say that no feedback is never taken on board but really, every ounce of it is taken on board. I've been in calls/chats with Alex and Martin and Alex would say "Martin remember we have to talk about A, B & C that was brought up in the feedback thread.". When I was Senior, anything that was suggested was spoken about with the management team including the AGM and completely broken down before a decision was made.


I'm gonna stop typing now because it's almost 2am, I just read that back and it makes no sense but I felt I needed to say something. Feel free to rip me to shreds.

[Inseriousity.]

The events department being largely funded by Habbox was something I wanted to eventually move to but the whole point of making changes is so that they stay so it was important to test the water and start small first just to make sure that it wouldn't completely bankrupt Habbox, hence the introduction of a prize fund that is atm quite limited in scope. I don't think the events dept. will be fully funded seen as the comps dept is more accurately 250c a month (possibly even higher) and the events department's outgoings would be considerably higher due to its very nature.

As for Alex and Martin, I would say all managers care for their departments but very few try their damn hardest every single day to improve it (a sad truth really).

[Yupt]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2yy40hf.png

http://i40.tinypic.com/qspcsg.png

GO TEAM!!!

[sex]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2yy40hf.png

http://i40.tinypic.com/qspcsg.png

GO TEAM!!!

"its school time no one is online"

[FlyingJesus]

To be totally fair that's a screenie from a 3pm slot which no-one here had booked so she might have had more than 4 people when the event was actually on. Still ridiculous that our staff struggle to get 10 people turning up and HFFM have queues just to get in the room

[Kardan]

The events department being largely funded by Habbox was something I wanted to eventually move to but the whole point of making changes is so that they stay so it was important to test the water and start small first just to make sure that it wouldn't completely bankrupt Habbox, hence the introduction of a prize fund that is atm quite limited in scope. I don't think the events dept. will be fully funded seen as the comps dept is more accurately 250c a month (possibly even higher) and the events department's outgoings would be considerably higher due to its very nature.

As for Alex and Martin, I would say all managers care for their departments but very few try their damn hardest every single day to improve it (a sad truth really).

In regards to the last part of your post, will we ever find people that will work hard every day to improve a department? If the answer is yes, why are these people not managers?

[MKR&*42]

In regards to the last part of your post, will we ever find people that will work hard every day to improve a department? If the answer is yes, why are these people not managers?

Think it's down to the belief that they should work through the ranks and that you can't essentially overthrow a manager, even if they're really **** quite a lot of poor managers don't leave until they resign or get fired and firings are only rewarded (I don't think that's the right word but hey) if you do something awful.

I'm not disagreeing though, I've seen enthusiastic ordinary staff who seem to care a damn lot better about their job than their own managers and they usually have more ideas on how to push the department forward.

[sex]

also just because you are nice and seem the safest best doesn't mean you should be manager. that seems to happen a lot at habbox

[Yupt]

To be totally fair that's a screenie from a 3pm slot which no-one here had booked so she might have had more than 4 people when the event was actually on. Still ridiculous that our staff struggle to get 10 people turning up and HFFM have queues just to get in the room

I was just taking screenies of how popular the fansites were on client at that moment in time. There was obviously no event on for us and the 2pm one had already finished, yet HFFM already had 40 people in their room.

[Martin]

The hffm event currently has 4 people.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3865423/htrhrthjrthrthrt.png


Not wonderful, not good I know, but I think 23 people is average, a lot of them are new people too!

[FlyingJesus]

In regards to the last part of your post, will we ever find people that will work hard every day to improve a department? If the answer is yes, why are these people not managers?

I don't think there need to be improvements every day, the department would have to be almost nonexistent for that to be possible :P but yeah as has been said, upper management are reluctant to actually approach people to take on a managerial role unless they're already 2nd in command, regardless of actual talent or ability

[Yupt]

The hffm event currently has 4 people.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3865423/htrhrthjrthrthrt.png


Not wonderful, not good I know, but I think 23 people is average, a lot of them are new people too!

Thing is that this is far too rare of a sight!

[Martin]

Thing is that this is far too rare of a sight!

Definitely and thats what we need to drastically improve so that we're at the top again.

Over the years I've seen it dip up and down, it's always been like this on and off and things normally bounce back in the end. This is perhaps one of the worse states I've seen things in, but that goes for everything.


The helpdesk often has no visitors, and when it does, what purpose does it really serve? Do we know how many new members we get via the helpdesk? Even when there are only a small handful of people in there? Maybe we could do more with the helpdesk, look at changing it into a habbox hub or something with teleports to mazes and big events and quests where people can win stuff on a more permanent basis.

I remember when I did the permanent "20c weekly habbox.com question" on the main site, and it used to attract hundreds of entries per week. The thing is, new members see lots of good prizes and instantly want to become part of it, its great for attracting numbers. So are giveaways, they are really good promotion and bring in heaps of listeners and visitors when done properly.

We could do a forum giveaway, where we put the codeword onto the forum and people have to access the forum to find it etc.



I don't think varying events is the answer to all of our problems, it would certainly help- but its about getting followers and regulars coming to events too, which is what other sites have. Their sites are fresh and current, their rooms popular, they have links with people, the overall atmousphere is completely different and staff work together more, the community pulls together more. It's all about the name and how it is represented and recognised on the Habbo client itself, mainly by events yes, but there are also lots of other strategies too. Get general management out there, people love seeing the fansite badge etc, and meeting those at the top, lets get Jin hosting an event, im sure that would be popular! :)


Things such as quests, mazes etc linked to the helpdesk with nice healthy prizes would sure to be a good way of getting people through?

[Yupt]

Definitely and thats what we need to drastically improve so that we're at the top again.

Over the years I've seen it dip up and down, it's always been like this on and off and things normally bounce back in the end. This is perhaps one of the worse states I've seen things in, but that goes for everything.


The helpdesk often has no visitors, and when it does, what purpose does it really serve? Do we know how many new members we get via the helpdesk? Even when there are only a small handful of people in there? Maybe we could do more with the helpdesk, look at changing it into a habbox hub or something with teleports to mazes and big events and quests where people can win stuff on a more permanent basis.

I remember when I did the permanent "20c weekly habbox.com question" on the main site, and it used to attract hundreds of entries per week. The thing is, new members see lots of good prizes and instantly want to become part of it, its great for attracting numbers. So are giveaways, they are really good promotion and bring in heaps of listeners and visitors when done properly.

We could do a forum giveaway, where we put the codeword onto the forum and people have to access the forum to find it etc.



I don't think varying events is the answer to all of our problems, it would certainly help- but its about getting followers and regulars coming to events too, which is what other sites have. Their sites are fresh and current, their rooms popular, they have links with people, the overall atmousphere is completely different and staff work together more, the community pulls together more. It's all about the name and how it is represented and recognised on the Habbo client itself, mainly by events yes, but there are also lots of other strategies too. Get general management out there, people love seeing the fansite badge etc, and meeting those at the top, lets get Jin hosting an event, im sure that would be popular! :)


Things such as quests, mazes etc linked to the helpdesk with nice healthy prizes would sure to be a good way of getting people through?

This has been suggested so many times before, and so many people have agreed that it would be for the best. We have a v. good maze tagged under Habbox which often has visitors, it would be perfect to link into the Hub or whatever.

Not relating to the desk, but it's my opinion that Habbox still considers itself to be the best fansite on habbo and so are reluctant to change anything because we believe that they are still top dogs - we aren't.

[Martin]

This has been suggested so many times before, and so many people have agreed that it would be for the best. We have a v. good maze tagged under Habbox which often has visitors, it would be perfect to link into the Hub or whatever.

Not relating to the desk, but it's my opinion that Habbox still considers itself to be the best fansite on habbo and so are reluctant to change anything because we believe that they are still top dogs - we aren't.

Completely agree, I think the era of Helpdesks is well and truly over, and its time to modernise things, and big changes are needed. Somewhere to link stuff to would be awesome, like a Habbox Central or a Habbox Hub. The advertising within the room could be excellent, stickies and messages about upcoming habbox events... a place for staff to go and bond with each other simply, but in a more relaxed atmosphere than it currently is, and with links to exciting things such as mazes, quests and big events. Linking such premade rooms to this 'habbox' room would certainly be a step in the right direction I think.

[Absently]

I remember the hub thing was brought up not so along ago and I always agreed it was a great idea, because lets face it the helpdesk is really dying as of late. Yeah you could have like some sort of tag relating to help, but teles leading to different room. Make it like some sort of town (the main room) linked to properly decorated rooms, the grabber, the main events room (smurfed & bolts) just rooms where the community come together and design different rooms and shtuff

[FlyingJesus]

Official Habbox grabber to raise funds (manager-only access to "dealer" area)
Release V7. No-one gives a tiny little bit of penis flesh whether RV is ready for it or not because no-one uses RV, and if it's really that important it can be added later and pretend it's a newly thought up improvement
More managerial freedom. Community AGM for example should be a role to rectify problems and oversee everything, not to create red tape
Cassie to not bully other events staff into quitting
Multiple events allowed at once (as long as CNB is posted BEFORE the hour starts) to make Habbox more visible
Buy me shoes

[Kardan]

HFFM are hosting 18 events today compared to Habbox's 4.

---------- Post added 23-09-2013 at 05:52 PM ----------

And in a 24 hour period, from 11pm BST - 11pm BST, yesterday to tonight, 2 different event organisers have hosted an event. 2/20.

[sex]

I don't think varying events is the answer to all of our problems, it would certainly help- but its about getting followers and regulars coming to events too, which is what other sites have. Their sites are fresh and current, their rooms popular, they have links with people, the overall atmousphere is completely different and staff work together more, the community pulls together more. It's all about the name and how it is represented and recognised on the Habbo client itself, mainly by events yes, but there are also lots of other strategies too. Get general management out there, people love seeing the fansite badge etc, and meeting those at the top, lets get Jin hosting an event, im sure that would be popular! :)


Things such as quests, mazes etc linked to the helpdesk with nice healthy prizes would sure to be a good way of getting people through?

This is again never going to happen with you in charge (unless you change), you cant get people to follow you and you hide behind a paper bag on habbo when things get tough, what sort of example are you setting to new members if they see the assistant events manager not talk to people and standing idle!!! You also have a wayyy different attitude to the new and young members (the majority who play habbo) and they seem to clash which is probably another reason why there is no habbox event following.

[Yawn]

well the events that r currently done flop every time anyway so no point doing 18 in a 24hr period cos it just a waste of time

time to scrap habbox lets all move to hffm

[Martin]

This is again never going to happen with you in charge (unless you change), you cant get people to follow you and you hide behind a paper bag on habbo when things get tough, what sort of example are you setting to new members if they see the assistant events manager not talk to people and standing idle!!! You also have a wayyy different attitude to the new and young members (the majority who play habbo) and they seem to clash which is probably another reason why there is no habbox event following.

I am not the only person in charge of events graham, I assist Alex. It's very possible for people to change and unfortunately people go through stages in life where things become difficult, and people deal with things in different ways. I've managed it in the past, being Assistant General Manager of the community gives you a good idea of what community interaction means and talking to people etc. During that time community interaction was a lot more prominent, people made friends, people saw habbox as a nice place to be to make new friends and have fun, the helpdesk was buzzing etc. I have no issues in talking to people, infact quite often in events (you're not at all of them tbh), I do talk to members, I know a lot of the regulars too and we always say hey etc. I don't see General Management doing this either all the time, but you seem to have some kind of issue with me lately for some unknown reason on a personal level.

I think you need to look at the wider picture instead of trying to pin the blame on one person, there is never a day where I don't spend hours doing something events related, being it doing the seniors jobs whilst theyre away and adding events, sending out pms, encouraging people to book, giving feedback, encouraging people to apply whilst in events, talking to my staff, sorting staff changes, making announcements, waiting days for perms to be done etc, reports, adding up and requesting reputation, being involved with regular discussions with alex and Jade. There's a lot more to it than meets the eye, and I just think that you're being a bit unfair lately, based on a small period of time rather than looking at the bigger picture. I haven't just sat around doing **** all for the last four years of my life, I wouldn't bother if I wasn't seriously bothered about wanting Habbox to do well.

[FlyingJesus]

I do talk to members, I know a lot of the regulars too and we always say hey etc

And here I was thinking that one of the main goals of the community groups was to bring new people in :P As I've said before, I have nothing personal against you but seriously nothing gets done and the only responses are excuses (if we get any at all), with genuine ideas either said to be "in discussion" for months at a time or totally ignored. This isn't by any means just an events issue but since that's what's on the agenda right now it would be good to see some sort of events management response to the many projected ideas rather than just the suspected personal jibes - whether unwarranted or not. As you yourself said: I think you need to look at the wider picture

[myles]

my cat died dont get me involved

[Smurfed-]

Multiple events at the same time does sound like an interesting idea and is something I'd be happy to trial. First though it's important we continue and start tackling the issues raised in this thread.

Variation in events is something we're constantly encouraging. When adding events we always check if there has been a similar event around that time. If there's been a bingo booked for 6pm but there was one at 11am we would ask the host to pick another game. Sometimes this doesn't always work and events can sometimes be missed. We've now also started refusing to book events if we feel that the Events Organiser has hosted too much. We've been given a really good idea from Plebings; which we'll look into putting into action over the next week. This won't fix the problem but it's a good start and hopefully we'll see more exciting events coming from it.

I know weekly events are popular too, a couple of months ago we had three-four happening each week. We only have one now which is Animal Speedway so we'll look at getting more of those set up again.

Unfortunately we haven't received any complaints regarding staff being bullied. Due to Events Management not always being in the events room (especially lately as we've been away) we're not always able to take action against these situations due to there being no proof. If you do see any bullying from members of staff then please send a complaint with a screenshot to both me and Martin.

The number of people in events is always up and down, like Martin's said earlier this is the lowest it's been for a while. I remember around May and June time we were getting 25+ people in each event some of which are now regulars. More could be done on advertising as having a whole event that only manages to get 5 people in is very poor. I know this could possibly be down to the event that's being hosted but I often see the events that are regularly hosted getting popular too. For example, Zebbadi's hosting fridge races at the moment and he's managed to get 31 people in.

Quality of prizes has come up in this thread too. We do have an events prize fund in place but this isn't as good as it could be mainly due to funding. Yes, the lottery is a great way of getting funds for the department but I'm spending £30-40 from my own pocket a month on credits on top of the ones from the lottery to keep the prize fund running. Habbo have a double credits offer on at the moment so perhaps I can buy some more tomorrow.

Lack of staff is another issue we're facing at the moment. When Graham was staff he raised a very good point which has been mentioned previously in this thread. Instead of just welcoming people to events we need to start having proper conversations rather than the usual "Hello how're you?" We need to start making friends with potential members and encourage them to stick around and perhaps even apply to a Habbox role.

Once we start seeing improvements we can look into trialing the two events at a same time. I'd rather have two good quality events then two average ones on at the same time.

If you have any other ideas on how we can improve the above then don't hesitate to let us know.

[Kardan]

Multiple events at the same time does sound like an interesting idea and is something I'd be happy to trial. First though it's important we continue and start tackling the issues raised in this thread.

Variation in events is something we're constantly encouraging. When adding events we always check if there has been a similar event around that time. If there's been a bingo booked for 6pm but there was one at 11am we would ask the host to pick another game. Sometimes this doesn't always work and events can sometimes be missed. We've now also started refusing to book events if we feel that the Events Organiser has hosted too much. We've been given a really good idea from Plebings; which we'll look into putting into action over the next week. This won't fix the problem but it's a good start and hopefully we'll see more exciting events coming from it.

I know weekly events are popular too, a couple of months ago we had three-four happening each week. We only have one now which is Animal Speedway so we'll look at getting more of those set up again.

Unfortunately we haven't received any complaints regarding staff being bullied. Due to Events Management not always being in the events room (especially lately as we've been away) we're not always able to take action against these situations due to there being no proof. If you do see any bullying from members of staff then please send a complaint with a screenshot to both me and Martin.

The number of people in events is always up and down, like Martin's said earlier this is the lowest it's been for a while. I remember around May and June time we were getting 25+ people in each event some of which are now regulars. More could be done on advertising as having a whole event that only manages to get 5 people in is very poor. I know this could possibly be down to the event that's being hosted but I often see the events that are regularly hosted getting popular too. For example, Zebbadi's hosting fridge races at the moment and he's managed to get 31 people in.

Quality of prizes has come up in this thread too. We do have an events prize fund in place but this isn't as good as it could be mainly due to funding. Yes, the lottery is a great way of getting funds for the department but I'm spending £30-40 from my own pocket a month on credits on top of the ones from the lottery to keep the prize fund running. Habbo have a double credits offer on at the moment so perhaps I can buy some more tomorrow.

Lack of staff is another issue we're facing at the moment. When Graham was staff he raised a very good point which has been mentioned previously in this thread. Instead of just welcoming people to events we need to start having proper conversations rather than the usual "Hello how're you?" We need to start making friends with potential members and encourage them to stick around and perhaps even apply to a Habbox role.

Once we start seeing improvements we can look into trialing the two events at a same time. I'd rather have two good quality events then two average ones on at the same time.

If you have any other ideas on how we can improve the above then don't hesitate to let us know.

Why have you started refusing events from hosts that have deemed to host too much? Why is hosting too much a bad thing?

[AgnesIO]

Quality of prizes has come up in this thread too. We do have an events prize fund in place but this isn't as good as it could be mainly due to funding. Yes, the lottery is a great way of getting funds for the department but I'm spending £30-40 from my own pocket a month on credits on top of the ones from the lottery to keep the prize fund running. Habbo have a double credits offer on at the moment so perhaps I can buy some more tomorrow.


Just in response to this bit, please say you are joking? Seriously, don't waste your money providing prizes for Habbox - whilst I admire that commitment, it is simply ludicrous. I think you will really regret it in a couple of years time..

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Why have you started refusing events from hosts that have deemed to host too much? Why is hosting too much a bad thing?

I wondered this also. I decided he must mean the same event?

[Smurfed-]

Why have you started refusing events from hosts that have deemed to host too much? Why is hosting too much a bad thing?

I meant we've started to refuse events that hosts have hosted too much. If that makes sense? We're not stopping them from hosting we're just asking that they branch out more.

[Kardan]

I meant we've started to refuse events that hosts have hosted too much. If that makes sense? We're not stopping them from hosting we're just asking that they branch out more.

Yup, that makes sense :)

[FlyingJesus]

We've now also started refusing to book events if we feel that the Events Organiser has hosted too much.

So glad this got explained properly in a later post, was about to get fully riled up about hosting being turned down :P certainly agree that stopping hosts from only hosting a couple of things over and over is a good idea though, that's a good step


Unfortunately we haven't received any complaints regarding staff being bullied.

I know for a fact that this is untrue considering the details of DailyBread's resignation. I know that it's difficult to act on anything that doesn't have screenie evidence but this is not the first time that certain people have been accused of bullying within the department so I for one will definitely be keeping an eye out for it. Attitude has been a fairly big issue in recent months sadly, especially among the older EOs


Quality of prizes has come up in this thread too. We do have an events prize fund in place but this isn't as good as it could be mainly due to funding. Yes, the lottery is a great way of getting funds for the department but I'm spending £30-40 from my own pocket a month on credits on top of the ones from the lottery to keep the prize fund running. Habbo have a double credits offer on at the moment so perhaps I can buy some more tomorrow.

I seriously think that the potential of the grabber is being overlooked to a cataclysmic degree. It's open when the lottery's being done but that's 1-2 hours a week, and with the odds of winning on grabbers being so low it would surely be a massive boost to on-client revenue if it could be run more often. I'm not 100% on which depts count as community these days but I'm sure there are enough [asst]managers in the comms sphere to be running a grabber more often, and it's something that people seem to really enjoy playing despite the crap odds they face. It shouldn't come down to you having to spend that much of your own money when there are so many people on the client lining up to give their creds away :D


Lack of staff is another issue we're facing at the moment. When Graham was staff he raised a very good point which has been mentioned previously in this thread. Instead of just welcoming people to events we need to start having proper conversations rather than the usual "Hello how're you?" We need to start making friends with potential members and encourage them to stick around and perhaps even apply to a Habbox role.

Definitely noticed this. Most hosts just have a welcome message at the start of a game and if we're lucky a c&p line saying to sign up which looks even more robotic than the replies in welcome threads. When people ask what rep is, instead of saying that it's a reward system (or anything even remotely resembling a positive advert) there's the utterly useless reply of "rep on habboxforum" which explains nothing and doesn't entice anyone to take part. Hosts should perhaps keep in mind that if they can sell the idea of rep to people then not only do we get more members but they pay out less in prizes, everyone's a winnerrrrrrrrrr except the people that lose every event like Slaq