PDA

View Full Version : Kenya Mall Shooting



karter
22-09-2013, 11:30 AM
NAIROBI: The attack by al-Qaida-linked militants at an upscale mall in Nairobi killed at least 59 people and wounded 175, Kenya's interior minister said on Sunday.

Multiple barrages of gunfire erupted on Sunday morning from inside the building where there is a hostage standoff with Islamic extremists nearly 24 hours after they attacked using grenades and assault rifles.

"The priority is to save as many lives as possible," Joseph Lenku said, reassuring the families of the hostages in the upscale Westgate mall (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Westgate-mall). Kenyan forces have already rescued about 1,000 people, he said.

Lenku said that there are 10 to 15 attackers involved, and Kenyan forces have control of the security cameras inside the mall. Combined military and police forces surrounded the building.

Former Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga told reporters at the mall that he has been told officials couldn't determine the exact number of hostages inside the mall.

"There are quite a number of people still being held hostage on the third floor and the basement area where the terrorists are still in charge," Odinga said.

Somalia's al-Qaida-linked rebel group, al-Shabab, claimed responsibility for the attack in which they specifically targeted non-Muslims.

Kenyans and foreigners were among those confirmed dead, including French, Canadians and Chinese.

The Chinese embassy in Kenya said in a statement Sunday that a 38-year-old Chinese woman had been killed in the shopping mall "terror attack." Her son was injured in the attack and in a stable condition in hospital, according to the statement posted on the embassy's website.

Kenya's presidential office said that one of the attackers was arrested on Saturday and died after suffering from bullet wounds.

Trucks brought in a fresh contingent of soldiers from the Kenya defense forces early on Sunday.

"Violent extremists continue to occupy Westgate Mall. Security services are there in full force," said the United States embassy in an emergency text message issued Sunday morning.

Daylight brought some good news, as Kenyan media reported that several people in hiding in the mall escaped to safety, suggesting that not everyone who is still inside is being held by al-Shabab.

Cecile Ndwiga said she had been hiding under a car in the basement parking garage.

"I called my husband to ask the soldiers to come and rescue me. Because I couldn't just walk out anyhow. The shootout was all over here, left, right, just gun shots," she said.

Nairobi resident Paolo Abenavoli said he is holed up in his apartment only 100 meters from the mall with a direct view of the entrance. He said he could see a dozen or more security forces inside a first floor restaurant.

"The battle is on now," Abenavoli told The Associated Press by telephone as the fresh gunfire broke out Sunday.

Security forces had pushed curious crowds far back from the mall. Hundreds of residents gathered on a high ridge above the mall to watch for any activity.



Tragic

Meanwhile a very small community of Christians have been attacked in Pakistan. How surprising :rolleyes:


A blast at a Protestant church in northwest Pakistan killed at least 61 people and wounded more than 120, authorities said Sunday.The attack took place at the All Saints Church of Pakistan, in the violence-plagued city of Peshawar, about 120 kilometers (75 miles) from the country's capital, Islamabad.
Witnesses told CNN affiliate Geo News that at least one suicide bomber blew himself up in a crowded bazaar near the church entrance as crowds of worshipers were leaving a Sunday morning service.
Some of the victims were children, the witnesses said.
The outside of the church was peppered with debris, and crowds of men and rescue officials covered in blood.
Christians make up less than 3% of the population in the South Asian nation of 193 million.
No group immediately claimed responsibility for Sunday's attack.
But Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, of which Peshawar is the capital, is rife with Islamic extremists and has been the site of clashes between Pakistani security forces and militants.
Earlier this month, a roadside bomb in the province killed a top Pakistani general, just a day after officials announced plans to withdraw troops from the region and pusue peace talks with Taliban militants.
ATaliban spokesman said then that there is no ceasefire with the Pakistani government, warning that such attacks will continue.
"We have killed them," Pakistani Taliban spokesman Shahidullah Shahid said, "as they are killing us."

Matt
22-09-2013, 12:09 PM
This is really heart breaking. The fact they still have hostages and have barricaded themselves in the shopping center is crazy. I hope their hostages all get out and they don't go and shoot everyone and then kill themselves. They have then gone and apparently taken the blame for it via twitter. Does anyone else find that weird considering they admit to them being accountable via a twitter account and not tell the world some other way. Idk i just find that weird... Also releasing people after making them recite a Muslim prayer or saying to prove that they're actually Muslim is something i've never heard of being done. And to think my uncle is planning to move out to Nairobi soon too, he's mad if this hasn't made him change his mind.

karter
22-09-2013, 12:20 PM
... Also releasing people after making them recite a Muslim prayer or saying to prove that they're actually Muslim is something i've never heard of being done. \

It has happened before in 2008 Mumbai Attacks. Most muslims were released by the terrorists while others, mainly Christians, Jews and Hindus were targetted

-:Undertaker:-
22-09-2013, 12:30 PM
When I heard this I initially thought it was the non-country of Nigeria which is experiencing virtual war between Islamic groups from the north and the government in the South (Christian) - proving once again that multiculturalism doesn't work.

The vast majority of multicultural nations across Africa, the Middle East and in parts of the Orient need to be broken up.

oli
22-09-2013, 01:22 PM
disgusting human beings

lemons
22-09-2013, 01:28 PM
wow it's still going on and 3 brits dead

karter
22-09-2013, 02:18 PM
When I heard this I initially thought it was the non-country of Nigeria which is experiencing virtual war between Islamic groups from the north and the government in the South (Christian) - proving once again that multiculturalism doesn't work.

The vast majority of multicultural nations across Africa, the Middle East and in parts of the Orient need to be broken up.

True. It's hard for Islam to co-exist with other religions. There's hardly any democratic and secular country in the world with a Muslim majority and even if there is, it's run by extremist Islamic bodies which force the minorities to live in fear

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Map_of_state_religions.svg/800px-Map_of_state_religions.svg.png

Take a look at this for example, the countries in green have Islam as their state religion. All of them have a long history of communal violence and religious intolerance.

-:Undertaker:-
22-09-2013, 02:30 PM
True. It's hard for Islam to co-exist with other religions. There's hardly any democratic and secular country in the world with a Muslim majority and even if there is, it's run by extremist Islamic bodies which force the minorities to live in fear

Take a look at this for example, the countries in green have Islam as their state religion. All of them have a long history of communal violence and religious intolerance.

Careful now, next you'll have someone shake their head and tut at you and call you 'Islamophobic' for pointing out the factually correct and bleeding obvious point that there is a widespread and serious problem within the 'Religion of Peace'. :P

The Don
22-09-2013, 03:53 PM
When I heard this I initially thought it was the non-country of Nigeria which is experiencing virtual war between Islamic groups from the north and the government in the South (Christian) - proving once again that multiculturalism doesn't work.

The vast majority of multicultural nations across Africa, the Middle East and in parts of the Orient need to be broken up.

i don't see war in the uk? proof that multiculturalism can work

AgnesIO
22-09-2013, 04:02 PM
i don't see war in the uk? proof that multiculturalism can work

The argument here is always on whether the UK is actually a "multi-cultural state".

---

Truly shocking incidents in Kenya, and these people are nut cases - reacting on the Kenyan governments intervention in Somalia, not Islam. RIP to all those dead - surprised by the lack of interest shown on this forum (given 3 British people have died, along with a Canadian and Australian amongst other nationalities).

-:Undertaker:-
22-09-2013, 04:58 PM
i don't see war in the uk? proof that multiculturalism can work

Large ghettos along ethnic, racial or national lines in which people have nothing to do with eachother?

Well if you count that as a success then blow me down.

karter
22-09-2013, 05:31 PM
Pretty sure you don't need 'wars' to show that multiculturalism doesn't work

The Don
22-09-2013, 05:46 PM
Large ghettos along ethnic, racial or national lines in which people have nothing to do with eachother?

Well if you count that as a success then blow me down.

Ghettos are a result of inequality between classes more so than any cultural differences (although i'm not saying that isn't a minor factor as well, but that it can't be attributed to that as the sole reason). What about the large numbers of international students studying in uk universities? It's easy to pick and choose a small sample to make your point.

-:Undertaker:-
22-09-2013, 08:00 PM
Pretty sure you don't need 'wars' to show that multiculturalism doesn't work

Indeed, +rep.


Ghettos are a result of inequality between classes more so than any cultural differences (although i'm not saying that isn't a minor factor as well, but that it can't be attributed to that as the sole reason). What about the large numbers of international students studying in uk universities? It's easy to pick and choose a small sample to make your point.

Students come in such small numbers to locations across the country that to much extent they are forced to integrate - and then even if they do not, they are here on a temporary basis in temporary accomodation and thus do not permantly change the culture of our cities. Those who do come here permantly do permantly change many parts of our cities therefore whilst 'inequality' (left wing speak for wage differences) does have a lot to do with it, it's a fact of life. Therefore the only question is - do we want multiculturalism or not? (a question that has not been put to the British people ever).

If we don't then the only solution is to bring immigration from the insane 400,000 a year to below the 50,000 mark - meaning that the doctrine of monoculture and integration will virtually be inescapable for anybody moving here.

Want to hide these adverts? Register an account for free!