Moral at HabboxLive?

[a3394630]

Hey there all!

I would like to bring something to your attention which is to do with the HabboxLive Department.

HabboxLive has to be one of the most core parts of Habbox's Operations as It's pretty much how most if not all Fansites draw in a lot of there long term users (Excluding Events). Now you would think with this being such a major part or the Department they would only want the best Dj's but it would be a FAIR process. Now here's the thing is that its not the latter. Its only the best Dj's THEY like. Now you might ask who is they. Now they are heads, management and generally anyone in power with Habbox. This is the sort of part where someone will comment "But its good as they have to work well in the team" But that's the thing. Some of whom are great people just get rejected just because they are not liked by one of which stand near the top hierarchy. This should not be fair or tolerated.

Next point,
Time is not valuable. Most Habbox Head+ believe that YOU'RE time is not valuable, they believe that you should be 110% Dedicated in time to habbox. Anything less is unacceptable. The radio must be kept up 100% of the time otherwise you as a regular Dj have FAILED. Not Head+ Fault. As being a head Dj I've seen the statistics which clearly show that the times which usually dont get Dj'ed is at around 2-5AM GMT. Now lets say you live in the UK (Which about 70%+ of Habbox Staff do) and you have an education. You would be spending you're time sleeping rather than Djing like any normal human. To Habbox this is unacceptable but it is clearly the fault of not being enough Dj's interested in those time zones and general recruitment. Don't blame the normal staff.

For my last point, Effort.
The way HabboxLive's reward system works is based of statistics rather than effort. Now if this was a paid business I would pretty much agree with that however this is not. People volunteer there time for this and would hope to get something out of it like Experience, Being educated to be a better DJ and possibly a reward of other kind. This is where HabboxLive falls down. If you're a "bad" DJ You will only be told this. You might get lucky and have you're Head Dj or another Dj help you but if not your are essentially screwed and will be almost guaranteed to get fired as they are looking for every little reason to fire you which goes back to the hierarchy and if they don't like you the same will also happen.

I would like to thank you for reading this and I hope it makes you question whether this Fansite is for you or not as it seems you have to be lucky to be kept here. Please not I do have knowledge on what I'm talking about as I am an Ex Head DJ.

Thank you for reading this again and assuming I don't get banned or have this removed for having my own say I would love to have Some reply's from Management.

P.S. I have purposely not named anyone as they do spend time on this site but sometimes they step way over the line which is why I have posted this.

[Grig]

Thanks Dave, would be great to use your actual account in future, rather than a biter fest on this.

I don't see any points as valid at the moment. I have a life myself, more than many other people and if I would demand 110% then we would have even more turnover at the moment. Head DJs, as you know have a bigger task than others and they are warned before they accept the job. Our standards are reasonable and other fansites are way more demanding, trust me.

The first point is disjointed and I don't get anything. Only the Heads I like? Yes, screw everyone else, the department is all about the Heads now.

Bad DJs get dissed? Oh really, I've had DJs who were struggling so bad in the past and they went on to become great Head DJs. I trained a DJ back in 2010 and she became a pro. We never ever tell people to be solely negative, but to mix comments around and if they were bad DJs, they wouldn't be here in the first place.

Personally, I view this as a bitter stance with no constructive elements going on at all. I'm the first person to love feedback, but really, see no use here but a ramble of some false elements. We have plenty of problems, but those that you highlighted are not it.

[FlyingJesus]

Habbox minimum hours are next to nothing and if you can't keep up with it then why pretend that you deserve a spot this entire post made no sense the only DJ who is supposedly seen as good because he's chummy with some of them despite being utter **** in practice is Shockwavez so gonna go ahead and just assume that this thread was made by someone who got fired for being rubbish and wants to blame someone else

[e5]

Feel like this was written by a 11 year old who only cares that he got fired, not about the actual department as there really was no valid points in that. Wasted my time reading it :(

[Jazz]

From being in a HxL background, I do understand what hes going on about to some extent. From what I read it does seem like a tantrum about rubbish management but that tantrum does have a couple of valid points in it.

There is a hierarchy in all departments, its usually down to the popularity of the person around Habbo(x) and how well they get on with the management. I have seen this more recently from being on the outside looking in. In some way you need that kind of system to make the department work, you need more powerful and influential people to control the runnings of each department, otherwise its just a massive mush. But what I have found is that, certain head DJ's do let power go straight to their heads and think they suddenly run the community side of Hx.

I also tend to think that people don't get credit where its due in all departments, this is a voluntary 'job'. We help out and spend time making Habbox better and we hardly get credit for that. Yeah, we may get SOTM/MOTM.. but I would much rather a senior member of staff said 'thanks for doing that, well done' rather than write a 54 page long feedback that expresses the negatives over the good (not all departments obviously). The majority work as much as thy can in a department and the get their efforts slammed to the ground when a senior member of staff says 'Work harder, if you don't like it, you can leave'. But, I think this isn't down to the department managers, I would assume this is down to the senior staff who have let the power stream up there rear ends.

Really I think there needs to be some form of meeting with various current and ex members of community staff and develop a system to handle and reward our staff and create a more relaxed way of doing things. Even introduce a listener/user commenting scheme where the user can give feedback (positive and negative) to be written up properly and handed to the DJ's, not publicly.

For example, I'm currently tuned into Grig (Example):

'I think that Grig has a lot of music variety, he plays songs that aren't overplayed and they sound great. He actually read my request, which is cool. Could you ask him to adjust his mic a little, he sounds a bit far away.'

I think that would be better than:

'You're a good DJ, but you have music variety but your mic is poor'

I think there needs to be people in place that can give senior+ and management advice about the department from a listeners point of view, not a glossed over staff view. Kind of like a school council, but less formal and mandatory. Also, on a different point it would be good to have temporary members of staff on standby to fill in for when seniors/heads/management are away so that 'normal' staff have people to go to, rather then having to wait till they're back/ask someone who doesn't know etc.

I hope that made sense, tried to give constructive feedback. Wasn't particularly aimed at anyone, it was mainly an overview!

[despect]

From being in a HxL background, I do understand what hes going on about to some extent. From what I read it does seem like a tantrum about rubbish management but that tantrum does have a couple of valid points in it.

There is a hierarchy in all departments, its usually down to the popularity of the person around Habbo(x) and how well they get on with the management. I have seen this more recently from being on the outside looking in. In some way you need that kind of system to make the department work, you need more powerful and influential people to control the runnings of each department, otherwise its just a massive mush. But what I have found is that, certain head DJ's do let power go straight to their heads and think they suddenly run the community side of Hx.

I also tend to think that people don't get credit where its due in all departments, this is a voluntary 'job'. We help out and spend time making Habbox better and we hardly get credit for that. Yeah, we may get SOTM/MOTM.. but I would much rather a senior member of staff said 'thanks for doing that, well done' rather than write a 54 page long feedback that expresses the negatives over the good (not all departments obviously). The majority work as much as thy can in a department and the get their efforts slammed to the ground when a senior member of staff says 'Work harder, if you don't like it, you can leave'. But, I think this isn't down to the department managers, I would assume this is down to the senior staff who have let the power stream up there rear ends.

Really I think there needs to be some form of meeting with various current and ex members of community staff and develop a system to handle and reward our staff and create a more relaxed way of doing things. Even introduce a listener/user commenting scheme where the user can give feedback (positive and negative) to be written up properly and handed to the DJ's, not publicly.

For example, I'm currently tuned into Grig (Example):

'I think that Grig has a lot of music variety, he plays songs that aren't overplayed and they sound great. He actually read my request, which is cool. Could you ask him to adjust his mic a little, he sounds a bit far away.'

I think that would be better than:

'You're a good DJ, but you have music variety but your mic is poor'

I think there needs to be people in place that can give senior+ and management advice about the department from a listeners point of view, not a glossed over staff view. Kind of like a school council, but less formal and mandatory. Also, on a different point it would be good to have temporary members of staff on standby to fill in for when seniors/heads/management are away so that 'normal' staff have people to go to, rather then having to wait till they're back/ask someone who doesn't know etc.

I hope that made sense, tried to give constructive feedback. Wasn't particularly aimed at anyone, it was mainly an overview!

Agreed. I know Rare Values had a questionnaire perhaps HabboxLive should also have one? so we can then get feedback from not only the listeners but also the community afterall, it IS a community department and we need feedback because its fine us doing events then people thinking oh god how boring etc. It gets boring doing all these credit giveaways all the time or just furni giveaways. I dunno if thats something general management are going to do? i mean a questionnaire for each department if not then maybe that could be a good idea? :P

[Inseriousity.]

If you think about it logically:

Managers want their department to run smoothly and efficiently.
Staff want the system to be a FAIR process
Managers promote those who get the job done, are well known around the community (and not just their little safe corner), are creative and can think of new ideas to improve the department.
Naturally, if they find someone like that who doesn't cause any problems, it's logical to assume that they will also LIKE them as well.
ergo it's both a fair system where managers promote people they like.

For things to run smoothly, the staff at the top need to like each other and get along because they also have to communicate with each other. I think it's a complete myth to suggest that Habbox has a tendency to promote people who are friends as there are many examples where they do not and they try to build that friendship from the promotion (which doesn't always work and can lead to a decline). My promotion to AGM, for example, would be one. I've never really been that close to Matt, sure we can talk with each other fine but we've never been BFFs and because of that, things were rather stagnated and didn't run smoothly because communication was kept to a bare minimum whereas people who are BFFs tend to just naturally talk each and every day anyway. So completely disregarding the friends thing, I think it is perhaps beneficial to take into consideration how much you like someone before you give them the promotion (although more of a deciding factor between two high-quality candidates rather than if they're the only option) because give them power and that is no guarantee they will suddenly become a better person. On the contrary it can become much worse.

Don't think any department has ever or will ever say you shouldn't go to sleep and stay awake all night to DJ. That's just absurd.

Stats are usually run by effort though so I don't really understand that point. Usually, individual effort is recognised in reports instead. You could always ask for help. It's not always safe to assume it'll come to you naturally because people do slip through the net.

[HE-Joshua]

best Dj's but it would be a FAIR process. Now here's the thing is that its not the latter. Its only the best Dj's THEY like... Some of whom are great people just get rejected just because they are not liked by one of which stand near the top hierarchy. This should not be fair or tolerated.
Sadly thats common no matter where you go school, work, social communities etc favouritism however can be perceived as bullying - and can destroy communities and even workplaces.

In the work place some business have a code of conduct regarding friendship between management and staff - however due the nature of HXL it just wouldn't be possible to implement these things to mitigate this type of problem.


Time is not valuable. Most Habbox Head+ believe that YOU'RE time is not valuable, they believe that you should be 110% Dedicated in time to habbox. Anything less is unacceptable.
This is something I could possibly agree with - It certainly grinds my gears when they go come on guys its international hours there no excuse etc etc.

However I have yet to see an issue with people getting bullied into doing more hours etc - I think someone commented on slots being low requirement that I'd disagree with most volunteer organizations in my part of the world basically say if you can just commit to an hour or two per month three hours per week especially because for some of us you actually spend a considerable amount of time planning what your doing with your slot etc (for instance getting updated with music suitable etc)


The way HabboxLive reward system works is based of statistics rather than effort. Now if this was a paid business I would pretty much agree with that however this is not. People volunteer there time for this and would hope to get something out of it like Experience, Being educated to be a better DJ and possibly a reward of other kind. This is where HabboxLive falls down. If you're a "bad" DJ You will only be told this.
Statistics are awesome I love them haha! Reward system based on statistics definitely works though because then it would go all the way back to favouritism if management got to make choices lol. I think though a system that ensured everyone gets something is better though.

[iLogan]

from an external point of view you're taking an online fansite awfully seriously.

[AgnesIO]

from an external point of view you're taking an online fansite awfully seriously.

ex-HxL manager in your signature... surely you must have taken it very seriously at some point lol

[iLogan]

ex-HxL manager in your signature... surely you must have taken it very seriously at some point lol

of course i did and on retrospect i did take it a bit too seriously, but don't get me wrong i'm very grateful for the experience it gave me

[AgnesIO]

of course i did and on retrospect i did take it a bit too seriously, but don't get me wrong i'm very grateful for the experience it gave me

I guess the OP may just be the same age you were, when you were heavily involved - times change!

[Rachel]

I have been a Head DJ here as well and I do not know why you think we can't have no lives....! We don't tell other djs oh you cannot have a life you need to DJ all the time, no Head DJs does that but they do expect dedication from the DJs. You were a Head DJ before Dave you must know how it works out really just because it didn't work out what you expected you can't blame it on the Managers.