REPUTATION OR LIKE SYSTEM

[AgnesIO]

So, after a lengthy discussion about whether reputation is important to people, I thought I'd post this to find out what system people would prefer overall.

Please post any additional "conditions" to your vote below. I have made who voted what public, as I think it is important that we can check old users are not being ignored, or that newer users are not being ignored etc :)

[Kardan]

I would prefer a rep system with rep power being scaled back down again.

I wouldn't be against a like system if it included dislikes however.

[AgnesIO]

I would prefer a rep system with rep power being scaled back down again.

I wouldn't be against a like system if it included dislikes however.

Made the poll - would you want a like system to start a fresh, or include old reputation (+/- reps)?

The thing is with rep, we will still have a reasonable amount, as we've been here for a long time (so got 1 point per year we have been members), and also posted a lot. I think they should stay the same - it should just be more points per rep power or something.

[David]

i hope this thread doesnt change Chris;s mind about installing the like system anyway.

[Kardan]

Made the poll - would you want a like system to start a fresh, or include old reputation (+/- reps)?

The thing is with rep, we will still have a reasonable amount, as we've been here for a long time (so got 1 point per year we have been members), and also posted a lot. I think they should stay the same - it should just be more points per rep power or something.

A new system would have to have some sort of transfer with regards to rep. It can't just be scrapped.

I've got a super cool idea that just might work though!

We introduce a like system where we can like and dislike each others posts. Each person gets a sort of 'Like power', so a more well established user has more influence on the like rating than a newer user. And we could transfer rep power over to this new system, so nobody misses out. And say if somebody dislikes a post, it only takes off half the like power so it doesn't lead to abuse. And maybe a users like power should increase by 1 for every 2,500 posts, for every 400 likes they get and for every year they are on the forum for? That sounds like a great system!

[AgnesIO]

i hope this thread doesnt change @Chris (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55895);s mind about installing the like system anyway.

Well, hopefully it will show what users actually want :L Not saying they want rep or like systems, but the other thread is quite difficult to work out now!

Personally, if it was to be a like system it would be good if rep was converted (should have made it multiple choice... can always make another thread and just tag in the people who voted for rep if likes prove more popular to let them re-vote :L)

[MKR&*42]

Reputation system without a doubt.

--Nothing more to add as everything will get covered anyway--

With the second option, I'm not understanding how this would work. Would thousands of rep points just get taken away so everyone's rep power drops, or would the amount needed to reach the next rep level rise? (I presume it's the latter as it's more logical).

I'll just vote leave as it as for now 'cause confused.

[AgnesIO]

A new system would have to have some sort of transfer with regards to rep. It can't just be scrapped.

I've got a super cool idea that just might work though!

We introduce a like system where we can like and dislike each others posts. Each person gets a sort of 'Like power', so a more well established user has more influence on the like rating than a newer user. And we could transfer rep power over to this new system, so nobody misses out. And say if somebody dislikes a post, it only takes off half the like power so it doesn't lead to abuse. And maybe a users like power should increase by 1 for every 2,500 posts, for every 400 likes they get and for every year they are on the forum for? That sounds like a great system!

Love this idea, MOTM for sure.

[buttons]

i want reward

(I think we are the only 4 people who even care about this topic now. Or the only 4 even on the forum...)

[Kardan]

i want reward

(I think we are the only 4 people who even care about this topic now. Or the only 4 even on the forum...)

I think the Habbox servers can only handle 4 people.

[AgnesIO]

Reputation system without a doubt.

--Nothing more to add as everything will get covered anyway--

With the second option, I'm not understanding how this would work. Would thousands of rep points just get taken away so everyone's rep power drops, or would the amount needed to reach the next rep level rise? (I presume it's the latter as it's more logical).

I'll just vote leave as it as for now 'cause confused.

Yeah, it would be maybe 1000 rep points per rep power :)


i want reward

(I think we are the only 4 people who even care about this topic now. Or the only 4 even on the forum...)

In fairness, only a few of us ever post in feedback topics.. we should have a Habbox Council. That sounds like a great, original idea. Only five threads have been posted in in about half an hour :L

And, I finally got reward in tokens :L

[Inseriousity.]

The argument for reducing rep power is...?

[AgnesIO]

The argument for reducing rep power is...?

That it is getting too high again, and is apparently a flaw in the current system (*which is why we apparently need a like system?)

[Kardan]

The argument for reducing rep power is...?

People are getting more rep points in a few months than the other 8 years they've been on the forum due to rep power increasing exponentially over time.

[Samantha]

This probably isn't possible at all, but we'll see.

We get a rep power for every 400 points we receive, but can this be changed at all so that it's only the rep points we've earnt via posts that count towards it and not events and competitions? If not I suggest giving tokens for prizes instead, get better prizes as I think that was covered and actually make it a worthwhile system as at the moment you can only get forum prizes. If I could donate and the Credits could go fully towards this I would happily oblige.

[Kardan]

This probably isn't possible at all, but we'll see.

We get a rep power for every 400 points we receive, but can this be changed at all so that it's only the rep points we've earnt via posts that count towards it and not events and competitions? If not I suggest giving tokens for prizes instead, get better prizes as I think that was covered and actually make it a worthwhile system as at the moment you can only get forum prizes. If I could donate and the Credits could go fully towards this I would happily oblige.

The rep points from competition has little to no impact on rep power really.

[David]

in the event that the rep stays, habbox should take a couple rules out of HF's book. (http://www.hackforums.net/misc.php?action=help&hid=20)

mainly these;


What is a “Rep ****”?
A “rep ****” is where a staff member or an admin permanently removes all of a member’s positive reputation. Once a “rep ****” has been given it is irreversible. Keep in mind that a “rep ****” was given for a reason; any complaining will result in a one month ban.


What is revenge rep and is it allowed?
Revenge rep is the practice of getting a negative reputation after you have given that member a negative. This is not against the rules. Clearly if you leave someone a negative, you can expect them to reciprocate. Think carefully about your choices when leaving reputation. If you fear revenge rep, then reconsider. Staff will not take action on revenge reps. Still, our no-flaming rule does apply to all reps given.

[Kardan]

in the event that the rep stays, habbox should take a couple rules out of HF's book. (http://www.hackforums.net/misc.php?action=help&hid=20)

mainly these;

I'd be all up for letting revenge reps as long as the comment doesn't break any filters etc. Then general management can stop complaining about having to remove so many reps :P

[sex]

People are getting more rep points in a few months than the other 8 years they've been on the forum due to rep power increasing exponentially over time.

youre just jealous i been here 15 months on this account and im almost caught up with you
not my fault i am HILARIOUS

(this is a joke)



like system please

also rep doesnt need scaling back !

[AgnesIO]

This probably isn't possible at all, but we'll see.

We get a rep power for every 400 points we receive, but can this be changed at all so that it's only the rep points we've earnt via posts that count towards it and not events and competitions? If not I suggest giving tokens for prizes instead, get better prizes as I think that was covered and actually make it a worthwhile system as at the moment you can only get forum prizes. If I could donate and the Credits could go fully towards this I would happily oblige.

Events rep etc makes barely any difference on rep - but I do think tokens should be given instead, as they have a more practical use.


in the event that the rep stays, habbox should take a couple rules out of HF's book. (http://www.hackforums.net/misc.php?action=help&hid=20)

mainly these;

The second one I partially agree; it seems a little odd if a member has a genuine reason to -rep and another user just says "for -repping me" lol.

[Kardan]

youre just jealous i been here 15 months on this account and im almost caught up with you
not my fault i am HILARIOUS

(this is a joke)



like system please

also rep doesnt need scaling back !

I'm not too bothered, I don't get repped very often, so I'd expect you to be passed me :P It's just if we don't take action now, it won't be too long before we have rep powers in the hundreds :P

[sex]

I'm not too bothered, I don't get repped very often, so I'd expect you to be passed me :P It's just if we don't take action now, it won't be too long before we have rep powers in the hundreds :P

whats wrong with that... i use other forums that have rep/link systems installed and rep powers are in thousands lol

[AgnesIO]

I'm not too bothered, I don't get repped very often, so I'd expect you to be passed me :P It's just if we don't take action now, it won't be too long before we have rep powers in the hundreds :P

As long as new members are also repped, it wouldn't matter too much - but the initial start would be a huge difference. Loyalty should be rewarded, but "shouldn't take the piss".

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whats wrong with that... i use other forums that have rep/link systems installed and rep powers are in thousands lol

you tell me (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=439548)

[Kardan]

whats wrong with that... i use other forums that have rep/link systems installed and rep powers are in thousands lol

"Habbox Event, win 5 rep!"

"Nah, I'll just get FJ to give me 1000"

:P

And value gets lost if the numbers become too high :)

[sex]

"Habbox Event, win 5 rep!"

"Nah, I'll just get FJ to give me 1000"

:P

And value gets lost if the numbers become too high :)

ye i always seen that as a problem but thats events problem not an issue with rep

[Inseriousity.]

You voted for it so I'm assuming you agree it's a flaw then? The apparently made me think you don't necessarily believe what you're saying and just stating an argument (a not very detailed one either. why is it a flaw? isn't it working exactly as it should?) but your vote would suggest otherwise hence the confusion.

Just for the sake of argument that it is a flaw and it's why a like system should be introduced, the only solution then would be to have a clean slate (especially if Kardan's idea of the like system comes into effect) otherwise it's just the same thing with a different name. Personally I like knowing why someone liked/didn't like a post so I'd prefer the rep system.

I don't think it really is a flaw though. If anything, it's a strength that there's a system in place that recognises loyalty and commitment (those with high rep power have naturally been here the longest) and while bringing it down won't change that, it just seems a bit of a kneejerk reaction to something that isn't really making that much of a difference to said system.

Just refreshed and Kardan disagrees, is there any proof of that?

It is true that reputation in competitions and events makes little difference. In fact, when general management previously tried to introduce a rep quota back when I was competitions manager, I was adamant this was the case. The introduction of a rep quota seemed to be about the quantity rather than how much said quantity was spread around. 1000 rep a month sounds like a lot (this is an example number btw, never seen any department give away this much) but if it was spread around 150 people then its suddenly not so much after all. After several months, this message eventually got through and it was disbanded.

Despite that, I did actually consider the idea of having tokens as prizes instead of rep and then adding credit prizes to the token system. It'd need to be heavily controlled otherwise it'd be very expensive but I think it'd be a better advertising tool for events. instead of 'whats rep' and then them not caring bout getting rep on a forum, it'd be 'whats tokens' and then 'tokens on hxf where you can earn enough and get creds' sounds more enticing. It just needs a strong structure to support it and get the balance right between not being too out of reach that no-one bothers but not being too low that Habbox becomes bankrupt. This is definitely something I'd still try and put in place.

[FlyingJesus]

Keep it as it is, there's no actual need for change and no-one advocating for a like system has actually come up with a reason why

[sex]

Keep it as it is, there's no actual need for change and no-one advocating for a like system has actually come up with a reason why

it shows publically who liked your posts
i think lots of people agreed the best thing about rep is seeing lots of the little plus rep things you get on a post not the number on yur profile/points you get
like system would give us that+shw people who liked a post

[Kyle]

rep system/like system should just be the same thing, it's the exact same premise anyways. if anything i would propose abolishing rep power as a form of currency and instead have the amount of rep you've received displayed... essentially a like system under the guise of 'reputation'.

[Kardan]

You voted for it so I'm assuming you agree it's a flaw then? The apparently made me think you don't necessarily believe what you're saying and just stating an argument (a not very detailed one either. why is it a flaw? isn't it working exactly as it should?) but your vote would suggest otherwise hence the confusion.

Just for the sake of argument that it is a flaw and it's why a like system should be introduced, the only solution then would be to have a clean slate (especially if Kardan's idea of the like system comes into effect) otherwise it's just the same thing with a different name. Personally I like knowing why someone liked/didn't like a post so I'd prefer the rep system.

I don't think it really is a flaw though. If anything, it's a strength that there's a system in place that recognises loyalty and commitment (those with high rep power have naturally been here the longest) and while bringing it down won't change that, it just seems a bit of a kneejerk reaction to something that isn't really making that much of a difference to said system.

Just refreshed and Kardan disagrees, is there any proof of that?

It is true that reputation in competitions and events makes little difference. In fact, when general management previously tried to introduce a rep quota back when I was competitions manager, I was adamant this was the case. The introduction of a rep quota seemed to be about the quantity rather than how much said quantity was spread around. 1000 rep a month sounds like a lot (this is an example number btw, never seen any department give away this much) but if it was spread around 150 people then its suddenly not so much after all. After several months, this message eventually got through and it was disbanded.

Despite that, I did actually consider the idea of having tokens as prizes instead of rep and then adding credit prizes to the token system. It'd need to be heavily controlled otherwise it'd be very expensive but I think it'd be a better advertising tool for events. instead of 'whats rep' and then them not caring bout getting rep on a forum, it'd be 'whats tokens' and then 'tokens on hxf where you can earn enough and get creds' sounds more enticing. It just needs a strong structure to support it and get the balance right between not being too out of reach that no-one bothers but not being too low that Habbox becomes bankrupt. This is definitely something I'd still try and put in place.

The tokens/credit idea is pretty much a great idea. Rep in competitions and events is so, so pointless. Why enter a competition where you could get 25/50/100 rep, if you are picked from the 10/20/30 people that enter - when you can just make a half decent joke and get 150 rep points :P

The only reason to reduce rep power is to keep the system somewhat manageable. Right now it looks like FJ is doubly as awesome as everyone single else, and whilst he probably is, soon he'll be madly high :P

All that needs adjusting is the 'Every 400 rep points = 1 rep power' changing to 800-1000 or something.

[Kyle]

The tokens/credit idea is pretty much a great idea. Rep in competitions and events is so, so pointless. Why enter a competition where you could get 25/50/100 rep, if you are picked from the 10/20/30 people that enter - when you can just make a half decent joke and get 150 rep points :P

The only reason to reduce rep power is to keep the system somewhat manageable. Right now it looks like FJ is doubly as awesome as everyone single else, and whilst he probably is, soon he'll be madly high :P

All that needs adjusting is the 'Every 400 rep points = 1 rep power' changing to 800-1000 or something.
frankly your suggestion only positively affects those repped by higher-level rep holders and for those that rarely if ever receive rep from people above 10 rep power it's just going to be an even longer struggle to reach a respectably high level.

[Kardan]

frankly your suggestion only positively affects those repped by higher-level rep holders and for those that rarely if ever receive rep from people above 10 rep power it's just going to be an even longer struggle to reach a respectably high level.

But by the time they reach a respectably high level anyway, it won't be a respectably high level, because when you hit 50 rep power, everyone else is at 1,000 :P So new people will never win :P

[AgnesIO]

You voted for it so I'm assuming you agree it's a flaw then? The apparently made me think you don't necessarily believe what you're saying and just stating an argument (a not very detailed one either. why is it a flaw? isn't it working exactly as it should?) but your vote would suggest otherwise hence the confusion.

Just for the sake of argument that it is a flaw and it's why a like system should be introduced, the only solution then would be to have a clean slate (especially if Kardan's idea of the like system comes into effect) otherwise it's just the same thing with a different name. Personally I like knowing why someone liked/didn't like a post so I'd prefer the rep system.

I don't think it really is a flaw though. If anything, it's a strength that there's a system in place that recognises loyalty and commitment (those with high rep power have naturally been here the longest) and while bringing it down won't change that, it just seems a bit of a kneejerk reaction to something that isn't really making that much of a difference to said system.

Just refreshed and Kardan disagrees, is there any proof of that?

It is true that reputation in competitions and events makes little difference. In fact, when general management previously tried to introduce a rep quota back when I was competitions manager, I was adamant this was the case. The introduction of a rep quota seemed to be about the quantity rather than how much said quantity was spread around. 1000 rep a month sounds like a lot (this is an example number btw, never seen any department give away this much) but if it was spread around 150 people then its suddenly not so much after all. After several months, this message eventually got through and it was disbanded.

Despite that, I did actually consider the idea of having tokens as prizes instead of rep and then adding credit prizes to the token system. It'd need to be heavily controlled otherwise it'd be very expensive but I think it'd be a better advertising tool for events. instead of 'whats rep' and then them not caring bout getting rep on a forum, it'd be 'whats tokens' and then 'tokens on hxf where you can earn enough and get creds' sounds more enticing. It just needs a strong structure to support it and get the balance right between not being too out of reach that no-one bothers but not being too low that Habbox becomes bankrupt. This is definitely something I'd still try and put in place.

Not sure if this was to me, as you didn't quote me? However, I will reply in full if so. Nevertheless, my vote is one that tries to meet middle ground, without the need for a like system. Personally, I wouldn't mind if the current system stays as it is - HOWEVER, it will eventually (and fairly soon) get out of hand, so will clearly need fixing. And if this post was at me, believe me - I wouldn't waste my time arguing a point for the sake of arguing a point I didn't believe it :L


rep system/like system should just be the same thing, it's the exact same premise anyways. if anything i would propose abolishing rep power as a form of currency and instead have the amount of rep you've received displayed... essentially a like system under the guise of 'reputation'.

That would only work if you abolished rep power completely (ie. 1 +Rep = 1 rep shows up, not FJ reps someone, and adds 73 rep to someones score).

This was my first though though; I don't really see why some members are SO in favour of a rep system, or SO in favour of a like system - ultimately, both can be tweaked to make everyone happy.

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it shows publically who liked your posts
i think lots of people agreed the best thing about rep is seeing lots of the little plus rep things you get on a post not the number on yur profile/points you get
like system would give us that+shw people who liked a post

Could this not be done with the rep system anyway? I'd be surprised if it couldn't.

[Cerys]

I think a like system would be good

New users may not understand 'rep' *I certainly didn't at the beginning* but due to facebook etc I think people will understand what it is more and make the forum more easier to use for new users, pehaps making them stick around longer

[FlyingJesus]

it shows publically who liked your posts
i think lots of people agreed the best thing about rep is seeing lots of the little plus rep things you get on a post not the number on yur profile/points you get
like system would give us that+shw people who liked a post

Surely there must be a way of just tacking that on to the current system, it obviously records who's given rep because it shows in userCP and won't allow people to rep the same post twice so guessing it's just a matter of making it send the info to the postbit rather than (or as well as) userCP rather than either having multiple systems or destroying one that doesn't need destroying


rep system/like system should just be the same thing, it's the exact same premise anyways. if anything i would propose abolishing rep power as a form of currency and instead have the amount of rep you've received displayed... essentially a like system under the guise of 'reputation'.

So keep all rep so far but everyone's rep power is set and stuck to 1... cool good luck anyone who wants to catch up with me in future


Right now it looks like FJ is doubly as awesome as everyone single else, and whilst he probably is, soon he'll be madly high :P

No I won't it's a school night

[Kyle]

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That would only work if you abolished rep power completely (ie. 1 +Rep = 1 rep shows up, not FJ reps someone, and adds 73 rep to someones score).

This was my first though though; I don't really see why some members are SO in favour of a rep system, or SO in favour of a like system - ultimately, both can be tweaked to make everyone happy.
rep power should remain on the profile just as a counter of how many times you've been repped. that way rep isn't altogether pointless and the most 'respected' members are still displayed, just don't hold a monopoly over who gets how much rep.

[Kardan]

Surely there must be a way of just tacking that on to the current system, it obviously records who's given rep because it shows in userCP and won't allow people to rep the same post twice so guessing it's just a matter of making it send the info to the postbit rather than (or as well as) userCP rather than either having multiple systems or destroying one that doesn't need destroying



So keep all rep so far but everyone's rep power is set and stuck to 1... cool good luck anyone who wants to catch up with me in future



No I won't it's a school night

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgbj6dMOzl1qf8yek.gif

Have all the reps!

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rep power should remain on the profile just as a counter of how many times you've been repped. that way rep isn't altogether pointless and the most 'respected' members are still displayed, just don't hold a monopoly over who gets how much rep.

To be fair, I would like to keep the current system with rep powers adjusted, but I'd rather see rep points on the profile rather than rep power.

[AgnesIO]

This does seem a good idea.. just add to the post bit who repped what post.

/Thread? :L

[Mr-Trainor]

I said this somewhere recently I think but can't remember where - I think it was in managers group. I'd like a Like system, but at the same time I'd like to keep rep. I think if there was a way to change the current reputation button in to two separate buttons, one for like and one for dislike - and then a red counter added to show dislikes/-reps like the current green one. And then on top of this, lower rep powers (by a lot - maybe cap rep power at 5 or something) and then remove limits so we can +/- as much as we want.

Alternatively, enforce limits but only for these:
- liking/disliking the same person a lot
- disliking a lot
i wouldn't personally put a limit on liking loads of posts. And the reason I suggested lowering rep power so dramatically is that it'd mean we could have the least limits possible while still keeping the system fair. Then remove the reporting reputation as it'd be unnecessary and maybe let everyone see who liked/disliked their posts.

Sorry this is a rushed post and I haven't had time to read the responses prior to this, but basically what I'm suggesting (again) if a system which reforms the rep system in to something with resembles more of a like system whilst keeping all our current rep points :).

[lawrawrrr]

I think I'd prefer a like system where rep is converted into likes!

[Mr-Trainor]

Just saw something above about how new users will never get to rep powers higher than older users if both are being repped. That's true and therefore a benefit of capping the reputation power which is part of my suggestion above - gives a fair advantage to new users and doesn't put them off when seeing all the high rep powers. When I went on to other Habbo fansite forums I'd never used before and saw people with ridiculously high rep powers it did make me feel a bit.. useless? Can't think of a better word :L, but basically I wouldn't be surprised if it makes people less likely to stick around on the forum.

[Inseriousity.]

The tokens/credit idea is pretty much a great idea. Rep in competitions and events is so, so pointless. Why enter a competition where you could get 25/50/100 rep, if you are picked from the 10/20/30 people that enter - when you can just make a half decent joke and get 150 rep points :P

The only reason to reduce rep power is to keep the system somewhat manageable. Right now it looks like FJ is doubly as awesome as everyone single else, and whilst he probably is, soon he'll be madly high :P

All that needs adjusting is the 'Every 400 rep points = 1 rep power' changing to 800-1000 or something.

My argument here though is that that is how it should be. I wouldn't call it pointless because every little helps and my experience as comps manager showed me that newer members seemed to prefer building their rep through comps/events rather than posting a joke that has little chance of being recognised by those with the higher rep power. I'd be against increasing it, I think 400 is enough. Sure maybe FJ will be madly high one day but increasing it just means new members will be increasingly low. Ultimately it should always be more beneficial to get rep through posting than through official comps/events because obviously we want people posting and there are other prizes to bulk up comps/events! I still agree with the tokens/credits idea because of what I said but I'd also add rep as a prize to replace it not being used in comps/events. I'd also do it at a low level as well so people might get a bit too impatient and waste their tokens on that rather than saving up to get credits.

[AgnesIO]

I said this somewhere recently I think but can't remember where - I think it was in managers group. I'd like a Like system, but at the same time I'd like to keep rep. I think if there was a way to change the current reputation button in to two separate buttons, one for like and one for dislike - and then a red counter added to show dislikes/-reps like the current green one. And then on top of this, lower rep powers (by a lot - maybe cap rep power at 5 or something) and then remove limits so we can +/- as much as we want.

Alternatively, enforce limits but only for these:
- liking/disliking the same person a lot
- disliking a lot
i wouldn't personally put a limit on liking loads of posts. And the reason I suggested lowering rep power so dramatically is that it'd mean we could have the least limits possible while still keeping the system fair. Then remove the reporting reputation as it'd be unnecessary and maybe let everyone see who liked/disliked their posts.

Sorry this is a rushed post and I haven't had time to read the responses prior to this, but basically what I'm suggesting (again) if a system which reforms the rep system in to something with resembles more of a like system whilst keeping all our current rep points :).

I disagree with having both systems personally, as I think it will make one redundant.

I would be happy with either system - as long as old members do not lose everything they have essentially earned over the years!

[Kyle]

So keep all rep so far but everyone's rep power is set and stuck to 1... cool good luck anyone who wants to catch up with me in future
No... Count reputation as amount of reps received rather than points received. Keeps the highly repped users above everyone else as they should be and means that you and the few others with ~40-60+ rep don't have the ability to have such an influence on the reputation of the lower users. Essentially removal of reputation as a currency.


This does seem a good idea.. just add to the post bit who repped what post.

Some people like the privacy of rep though, especially when it's negative.

[Mr-Trainor]

I would prefer a rep system with rep power being scaled back down again.


I wouldn't be against a like system if it included dislikes however.
Definitely needs dislikes!

Made the poll - would you want a like system to start a fresh, or include old reputation (+/- reps)?


The thing is with rep, we will still have a reasonable amount, as we've been here for a long time (so got 1 point per year we have been members), and also posted a lot. I think they should stay the same - it should just be more points per rep power or something.
Agreed with it staying the same if rep remains as it is.

i hope this thread doesnt change @Chris;s mind about installing the like system anyway.
He said he wants a like system but won't because of all the people who want to keep their rep, right?

A new system would have to have some sort of transfer with regards to rep. It can't just be scrapped.


I've got a super cool idea that just might work though!


We introduce a like system where we can like and dislike each others posts. Each person gets a sort of 'Like power', so a more well established user has more influence on the like rating than a newer user. And we could transfer rep power over to this new system, so nobody misses out. And say if somebody dislikes a post, it only takes off half the like power so it doesn't lead to abuse. And maybe a users like power should increase by 1 for every 2,500 posts, for every 400 likes they get and for every year they are on the forum for? That sounds like a great system!
Agreed with first sentence. As for the bottom part, sounds similar to what I had in mind too :P.

The rep points from competition has little to no impact on rep power really.
Agreed, surely tokens should be given instead of rep anyway :S.

Events rep etc makes barely any difference on rep - but I do think tokens should be given instead, as they have a more practical use.
Beat me to it :P.

ye i always seen that as a problem but thats events problem not an issue with rep
Agreed.

I think I'd prefer a like system where rep is converted into likes!
Assuming you mean existing rep, I definitely agree. I wouldn't want to see all the reputation comments and everything I've received suddenly removed!

I disagree with having both systems personally, as I think it will make one redundant.


I would be happy with either system - as long as old members do not lose everything they have essentially earned over the years!
My suggestion will only leave one system :P? (A reformed version of the current rep system).

[FlyingJesus]

No... Count reputation as amount of reps received rather than points received. Keeps the highly repped users above everyone else as they should be and means that you and the few others with ~40-60+ rep don't have the ability to have such an influence on the reputation of the lower users. Essentially removal of reputation as a currency.

Having disparity actually makes it better for newer or otherwise less repped users though - if someone with 1 rep power reps me and I rep them back they essentially come off 73 times as well as I have, and they progress at 73 times the speed I do. Without higher rep powers there's realistically no way to catch up without some heavy abuse of the system

[Mr-Trainor]

Having disparity actually makes it better for newer or otherwise less repped users though - if someone with 1 rep power reps me and I rep them back they essentially come off 73 times as well as I have, and they progress at 73 times the speed I do. Without higher rep powers there's realistically no way to catch up without some heavy abuse of the system
True, but then again I don't think I can remember a time when someone has repped me back for repping them :P. And anyway, one +rep wouldn't really do anything to their rep power unless other people repped them too.

[AgnesIO]

True, but then again I don't think I can remember a time when someone has repped me back for repping them :P. And anyway, one +rep wouldn't really do anything to their rep power unless other people repped them too.

I occasionally sort of do - but that is often more because if a member reps me, the chances are we agree with each other and therefore their post is also going down my line of thought.

I would say I am pretty liberal with my usage of rep anyway, though.

[Kyle]

Having disparity actually makes it better for newer or otherwise less repped users though - if someone with 1 rep power reps me and I rep them back they essentially come off 73 times as well as I have, and they progress at 73 times the speed I do. Without higher rep powers there's realistically no way to catch up without some heavy abuse of the system
and if they -rep or make a comment that you might disagree with they are met with the possibility of being set back down a few pegs, whereas if everybody's rep power was 1 ((total rep received still displayed so respected status is maintained)) then it would no longer be a case of newer users having to pander to the older ones to climb the reputation ladder in a swift enough manner to keep up with the rest.

It's not necessarily a bad thing that people won't be able to catch up to you. You have been here for 7+ years and earned your rep over that time, if people really want to get on the same level then they should be expected to spend as much time making quality posts.

[FlyingJesus]

Revenge rep isn't allowed and the only people who I've seen do it in recent years are those with little to no rep power anyway. Also never noticed new users sucking up to old ones to try getting rep power.

I think people advocating a like system need to decide which it is - an unrestricted feature which only serves to show which individual posts are liked (in which case it's unnecessary because +rep already shows, just maybe needs a tweak so there's list of people who repped it if possible) or a replacement score system attempting to level things out for some vague reason (in which case making it unrestricted makes it ridiculously abusable and somewhat pointless, and having it restricted in the same way rep currently is makes it somewhat abusable and ridiculously pointless). Either way it's not an idea that is needed or has an actual benefit to anyone, but if it's seriously going to be debated then those who want it should at least state what they want it to be

[Gina]

i think you should just keep it as it is with rep n w.e
i dont see anything wrong with it and im sure people dont care that much
would be more effort if it got changed anyway

[AgnesIO]

At the moment, it looks like an overwhelming number want rep as it is - obviously give it more time, as I don't want those who want the like system to be missed out :P

[dbgtz]

Rep, mostly because I want to keep my established rep as it in and sometimes enjoy reading through all of my old rep received.

[Yawn]

start fresh

[Yupt]

I like the like system on other forums and think it's better than the rep system, the only problem is sorting out a fair way to compensate those users who have a large amount of rep as it is.

[Lucy]

I don't think there is anything wrong with the current system. I guess some people have really high rep but whats wrong with that?

[scottish]

Habbox and HxF will be dead long before anyone hits 100 rep power.

Leave it as it is, it's fine.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The present system, keep it as it is.

[Zak]

I would prefer a rep system with rep power being scaled back down again.


Didn't even need to type what I wanted :P Thanks Kardan

I wouldn't really want a like system, the system we have in place atm is working well and has done for years

[Samantha]

I haven't read the full thread, but if the main flaw is that rep power is increasing and new members won't reach high amounts, then why not increase the rep power someone has when they first join?

[GoldenMerc]

Problem is, with a like system i cant give Samanfa nice comments :(

[Empired]

I haven't read the full thread, but if the main flaw is that rep power is increasing and new members won't reach high amounts, then why not increase the rep power someone has when they first join?
I think the last time someone suggested that it led to the hyperinflation of the German Mark ;)

I think a Like system would be fun but I don't mind too much. I do see what Sam's trying to say though because it's really hard for new members to get any rep at all.

[Mr-Trainor]

At the moment, it looks like an overwhelming number want rep as it is - obviously give it more time, as I don't want those who want the like system to be missed out :P
I think people are missing the point that there could be essentially a 'like' system without removing rep comments;

Rep, mostly because I want to keep my established rep as it in and sometimes enjoy reading through all of my old rep received.
Depending on how a like system is introduced, if it was done the way I suggested (changing the rep system a bit to resemble more of a like system) then previous comments would remain..

Problem is, with a like system i cant give Samanfa nice comments :(
..and you'd still be able to leave comments for 'likes'/'dislikes'


I haven't read the full thread, but if the main flaw is that rep power is increasing and new members won't reach high amounts, then why not increase the rep power someone has when they first join?
That's why I suggested a cap on rep/like power.. increasing how hard it is to gain rep power is really not going to help unless you the first rep powers were easy and then as it goes up it gets much much harder.


--
Just to explain my suggestion more clearly as it was misunderstood:
- it'a only really a change to the current rep system
- the current rep button will split in to two buttons, upvote and downvote
- comments are optional, so people can still leave comments and see all previous comments in the same way as the current rep system
- a cap on rep power to, what I'd suggest should be, no more than 3-5
- with this lower rep power, or 'like' power, the limits which currently mean you can't rep posts regularly can be scrapped or made much more lenient - after all, you should be able to like any post you want as that's the whole purpose of a like system
- introduced down vote counter, like the current green numbers when a post has received +rep
- change the current rep blocks (tbh even if rep stays they still need changing anyway imo.. why is there 5 dark green and 6 light green :S)

[Samantha]

I think people are missing the point that there could be essentially a 'like' system without removing rep comments;

Depending on how a like system is introduced, if it was done the way I suggested (changing the rep system a bit to resemble more of a like system) then previous comments would remain..

..and you'd still be able to leave comments for 'likes'/'dislikes'


That's why I suggested a cap on rep/like power.. increasing how hard it is to gain rep power is really not going to help unless you the first rep powers were easy and then as it goes up it gets much much harder.


--
Just to explain my suggestion more clearly as it was misunderstood:
- it'a only really a change to the current rep system
- the current rep button will split in to two buttons, upvote and downvote
- comments are optional, so people can still leave comments and see all previous comments in the same way as the current rep system
- a cap on rep power to, what I'd suggest should be, no more than 3-5
- with this lower rep power, or 'like' power, the limits which currently mean you can't rep posts regularly can be scrapped or made much more lenient - after all, you should be able to like any post you want as that's the whole purpose of a like system
- introduced down vote counter, like the current green numbers when a post has received +rep
- change the current rep blocks (tbh even if rep stays they still need changing anyway imo.. why is there 5 dark green and 6 light green :S)

I don't think a cap is needed, many of us have earnt that power and it's not fair if we can't use it to spread it to other members.

Also there are light and dark green boxes as you get boxes for every 100 rep, but you can't exactly have 40 boxes therefore after you have filled up the dark green they begin filling light green after each 100. I got told that years ago, I think it's 100 anyway.

[scottish]

I think people are missing the point that there could be essentially a 'like' system without removing rep comments;

Depending on how a like system is introduced, if it was done the way I suggested (changing the rep system a bit to resemble more of a like system) then previous comments would remain..

..and you'd still be able to leave comments for 'likes'/'dislikes'


That's why I suggested a cap on rep/like power.. increasing how hard it is to gain rep power is really not going to help unless you the first rep powers were easy and then as it goes up it gets much much harder.


--
Just to explain my suggestion more clearly as it was misunderstood:
- it'a only really a change to the current rep system
- the current rep button will split in to two buttons, upvote and downvote
- comments are optional, so people can still leave comments and see all previous comments in the same way as the current rep system
- a cap on rep power to, what I'd suggest should be, no more than 3-5
- with this lower rep power, or 'like' power, the limits which currently mean you can't rep posts regularly can be scrapped or made much more lenient - after all, you should be able to like any post you want as that's the whole purpose of a like system
- introduced down vote counter, like the current green numbers when a post has received +rep
- change the current rep blocks (tbh even if rep stays they still need changing anyway imo.. why is there 5 dark green and 6 light green :S)

then your suggestion does nothing but make it harder for new members to get rep lol..

Splitting into 2 buttons is stupid as it's already essentially an upvote and downvote, just within the same button.
A cap on rep would mean older members have something like 5000 rep points and someone whos coming would be on like 100 after ages instead of 2-3 reps, so would still make it harder for new members to get rep

[FlyingJesus]

it's really hard for new members to get any rep at all.

Would be even harder if everyone only had 1 rep power (which is what the like system is), and surely it's easier now than a few years ago because so many people have a lot of rep to give whereas when I joined there was only a tiny number of people with rep power over 20


- a cap on rep power to, what I'd suggest should be, no more than 3-5
- with this lower rep power, or 'like' power, the limits which currently mean you can't rep posts regularly can be scrapped or made much more lenient - after all, you should be able to like any post you want as that's the whole purpose of a like system

With unlimited liking you essentially allow for unlimited "like power" which is only capped at the number of posts your desired target has. It's incredibly open to abuse, makes absolutely no sense, and benefits no-one at all

[Chippiewill]

I haven't read the full thread, but if the main flaw is that rep power is increasing and new members won't reach high amounts, then why not increase the rep power someone has when they first join?
Since it's exponential growth it doesn't matter what rep power they start on.

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With unlimited liking you essentially allow for unlimited "like power" which is only capped at the number of posts your desired target has. It's incredibly open to abuse, makes absolutely no sense, and benefits no-one at all

This is under the assumption that anyone would care enough to abuse it. The point of a like system is that it's so trivial that it would be meaningless to abuse it.

[Empired]

Would be even harder if everyone only had 1 rep power (which is what the like system is), and surely it's easier now than a few years ago because so many people have a lot of rep to give whereas when I joined there was only a tiny number of people with rep power over 20
You cut off half of my sentence there. I originally said I understand what Sam's trying to say because it is hard for new members to get rep. I don't know how to fix this, I was just agreeing with her.

[Mr-Trainor]

I don't think a cap is needed, many of us have earnt that power and it's not fair if we can't use it to spread it to other members.

Also there are light and dark green boxes as you get boxes for every 100 rep, but you can't exactly have 40 boxes therefore after you have filled up the dark green they begin filling light green after each 100. I got told that years ago, I think it's 100 anyway.
You still can, it just wouldn't be as high - making it fairer for new members. You could make the same argument and say you've earned the power and so should be able to rep as often as you like, but that isn't going to change anything.

As for the boxes, I just meant why 5 of one and 6 of the other :P. We were told more rep boxes were gonna be added ages ago but idk what happened to that!

then your suggestion does nothing but make it harder for new members to get rep lol..

Splitting into 2 buttons is stupid as it's already essentially an upvote and downvote, just within the same button.
A cap on rep would mean older members have something like 5000 rep points and someone whos coming would be on like 100 after ages instead of 2-3 reps, so would still make it harder for new members to get rep
Because I'm trying to think of a way to turn the rep system in to a like system without having to have two separate systems? And actually it would make it easier to earn 'points' (rep points/like points/whatever) because if the power is capped at a lower amount then restrictions can be lifted, meaning people would actually be likely to accumulate points at a faster rate than currently and would make it easier for newer users to catch up with exisiting users in regards to the 'power' (rep power/like power).

Would be even harder if everyone only had 1 rep power (which is what the like system is), and surely it's easier now than a few years ago because so many people have a lot of rep to give whereas when I joined there was only a tiny number of people with rep power over 20



With unlimited liking you essentially allow for unlimited "like power" which is only capped at the number of posts your desired target has. It's incredibly open to abuse, makes absolutely no sense, and benefits no-one at all
But with a like system you could like or dislike whenever you want instead of being restricted.
As for your second comment, see below :P:

This is under the assumption that anyone would care enough to abuse it. The point of a like system is that it's so trivial that it would be meaningless to abuse it.
I agree, I don't think anyone would care so much. And with a capped 'power' it's not going to change what they're able to give, but rather it could only increase their points. If someone cares enough to go and waste their time liking every single post from another user then let them.. it'll take them ages to make a small difference.

[AgnesIO]

Well, at present 60% of all voters want the system to stay exactly as it is. Meanwhile, about 38% want the system to change (28.5% of these want a like system). Danny.R.H2012 has selected other, but I don't think has actually posted what he does want, making his vote completely void.

Got to say at present, it looks like the current rep system is wanted; if possible would you people want to see who repped what post and -reps on a post? -:Undertaker:- / Bolt660 / Daltron / dbgtz / Dilusionate / Flairr / FlyingJesus / GoldenMerc / Headlines / Inkwell / Inseriousity. / Intersocial / Jordan / lesbian / Lewis / lucaskf390 / Matts / Nick / Red / rihanna-cool / Samanfa / scottish / XxZammyXx / Yuxin / £lliott

In essence, I think that would give what the people who want a like system want, whilst also keeping the reputation system as it currently is (obviously a slight change, but your rep would still stay exactly the same!)

[wixard]

mr-trainor for prime minister

[Jordan]

I think it should stay the same but let us see who repped a post both - and + !!!

[MKR&*42]

Yes I'd like to see who has repped alongside the number of -reps.

[scottish]

Because I'm trying to think of a way to turn the rep system in to a like system without having to have two separate systems? And actually it would make it easier to earn 'points' (rep points/like points/whatever) because if the power is capped at a lower amount then restrictions can be lifted, meaning people would actually be likely to accumulate points at a faster rate than currently and would make it easier for newer users to catch up with exisiting users in regards to the 'power' (rep power/like power).


You're wrong again

Regardless of if the limit is lifted or not, atm say for 50 rep you need one or two people to rep you, with 3-5 power you'd need 10-17 people to rep you. I highly doubt 10-17 people will rep the same post, where as 1-2 people are more likely to..

So you'd still be a hell of a lot slower with the reduced rep as you'd be relying on what, 5-8x the amount of people to rep you?

and the amount of abuse that could be done, oh let's like each others last 2000 posts and get 10,000 rep/like points woo.

[Chippiewill]

Well, at present 60% of all voters want the system to stay exactly as it is. Meanwhile, about 38% want the system to change (28.5% of these want a like system). Danny.R.H2012 has selected other, but I don't think has actually posted what he does want, making his vote completely void.

Got to say at present, it looks like the current rep system is wanted; if possible would you people want to see who repped what post and -reps on a post? -:Undertaker:- / Bolt660 / Daltron / dbgtz / Dilusionate / Flairr / FlyingJesus / GoldenMerc / Headlines / Inkwell / Inseriousity. / Intersocial / Jordan / lesbian / Lewis / lucaskf390 / Matts / Nick / Red / rihanna-cool / Samanfa / scottish / XxZammyXx / Yuxin / £lliott

In essence, I think that would give what the people who want a like system want, whilst also keeping the reputation system as it currently is (obviously a slight change, but your rep would still stay exactly the same!)

I think the issue here is that polling is pretty misleading, most people see these threads don't understand and end up voting for the status quo without properly understanding the situation. We need to break the whole reputation debate into separate parts in order to devise our best way forward:

- Reputation Power Inflation
- Displaying the number of -reps
- Publicly Displaying Reps
- Rate limitation of reps

---------- Post added 25-10-2013 at 07:40 PM ----------


and the amount of abuse that could be done, oh let's like each others last 2000 posts and get 10,000 rep/like points woo.
Which would look very subtle in the reputation logs.

[scottish]

I wouldn't mind seeing - and + reps on the little counter, but don't want names listed (which i'm assuming is similar to the like/thank system in terms of under post or whatever it'd list all people who done so)

Also implementing names defeats half of the point in vip/donator

---------- Post added 25-10-2013 at 07:42 PM ----------


I think the issue here is that polling is pretty misleading, most people see these threads don't understand and end up voting for the status quo without properly understanding the situation. We need to break the whole reputation debate into separate parts in order to devise our best way forward:

- Reputation Power Inflation
- Displaying the number of -reps
- Publicly Displaying Reps
- Rate limitation of reps

---------- Post added 25-10-2013 at 07:40 PM ----------


Which would look very subtle in the reputation logs.

So what with the proposed changes you'd want admins to go through the rep logs every so many hours/day to check no-ones abusing it?

[Chippiewill]

So what with the proposed changes you'd want admins to go through the rep logs every so many hours/day to check no-ones abusing it?

I'm saying it would look blatantly obvious to suddenly see 2000 new entries with the same two people every time.

[scottish]

I'm saying it would look blatantly obvious to suddenly see 2000 new entries with the same two people every time.

Obviously exaggerating, but say even 20 times a day or something at random times mixed with the other likes/reps wouldn't be easy to spot unless you're specifically looking at the users. (if you think this is going to be used a lot more than the rep system currently is then obviously could be abused a lot more without being noticed)

[Chippiewill]

I think the idea being that removing rate limitation from the system would mean that people trying to abuse it would be less successful in doing so as their actions have less effect. It would just be noise to the system.

[scottish]

I'd say they'd be more successful with the change than they currently would, as currently they can't really abuse it without the week waiting time between reps and the comments being moderated (well, to the extent if you report it it'll be looked at).

Even if the rep power isn't going a lot higher your rep points still would be for whatever that's worth, it would also mean once you get to a certain stage rep is pointless, as sure you might get a nice comment but it's not adding to anything..

[Lewis]

Well, at present 60% of all voters want the system to stay exactly as it is. Meanwhile, about 38% want the system to change (28.5% of these want a like system). @Danny.R.H2012 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=112544) has selected other, but I don't think has actually posted what he does want, making his vote completely void.

Got to say at present, it looks like the current rep system is wanted; if possible would you people want to see who repped what post and -reps on a post? @-:Undertaker:- (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24233) / @Bolt660 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55726) / @Daltron (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=112045) / @dbgtz (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=28789) / @Dilusionate (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=67954) / @Flairr (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=117546) / @FlyingJesus (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753) / @GoldenMerc (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=26925) / @Headlines (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53791) / @Inkwell (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=88462) / @Inseriousity. (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=26409) / @Intersocial (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=86637) / @Jordan (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=57962) / @lesbian (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=75795) / @Lewis (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=70869) / @lucaskf390 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=116444) / @Matts (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=60298) / @Nick (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=75119) / @Red (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=81989) / @rihanna-cool (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=116751) / @Samanfa (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=68263) / @scottish (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53890) / @XxZammyXx (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=83201) / @Yuxin (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=63975) / @£lliott (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=30040)

In essence, I think that would give what the people who want a like system want, whilst also keeping the reputation system as it currently is (obviously a slight change, but your rep would still stay exactly the same!)

I think the person who recieves +rep / -rep should be allowed to know without hc vip on the forum and others cannot. But you should be able to share -rep / +rep without getting warned, making it your choice if you share it.

[Red]

Well, at present 60% of all voters want the system to stay exactly as it is. Meanwhile, about 38% want the system to change (28.5% of these want a like system). @Danny.R.H2012 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=112544) has selected other, but I don't think has actually posted what he does want, making his vote completely void.

Got to say at present, it looks like the current rep system is wanted; if possible would you people want to see who repped what post and -reps on a post? @-:Undertaker:- (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24233) / @Bolt660 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55726) / @Daltron (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=112045) / @dbgtz (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=28789) / @Dilusionate (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=67954) / @Flairr (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=117546) / @FlyingJesus (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753) / @GoldenMerc (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=26925) / @Headlines (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53791) / @Inkwell (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=88462) / @Inseriousity. (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=26409) / @Intersocial (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=86637) / @Jordan (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=57962) / @lesbian (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=75795) / @Lewis (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=70869) / @lucaskf390 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=116444) / @Matts (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=60298) / @Nick (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=75119) / @Red (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=81989) / @rihanna-cool (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=116751) / @Samanfa (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=68263) / @scottish (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53890) / @XxZammyXx (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=83201) / @Yuxin (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=63975) / @£lliott (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=30040)

In essence, I think that would give what the people who want a like system want, whilst also keeping the reputation system as it currently is (obviously a slight change, but your rep would still stay exactly the same!)

nope want it kept as it is. Don't want to be able to see who has repped a post or have people knowing what posts I have repped.

[Mr-Trainor]

I think it should stay the same but let us see who repped a post both - and + !!!
Agreed with the + and - thing, even if nothing else changes it'd be nice to see that finally introduced :P.

You're wrong again

Regardless of if the limit is lifted or not, atm say for 50 rep you need one or two people to rep you, with 3-5 power you'd need 10-17 people to rep you. I highly doubt 10-17 people will rep the same post, where as 1-2 people are more likely to..

So you'd still be a hell of a lot slower with the reduced rep as you'd be relying on what, 5-8x the amount of people to rep you?

and the amount of abuse that could be done, oh let's like each others last 2000 posts and get 10,000 rep/like points woo.
I will just say, I am thinking of a forum with a much much larger active userbase which has an up vote button. But even so, to get 50 rep won't always take just 1-2 people because when I get rep sometimes it's just 1-10 points. And also another thing to mention, with a like system the amount of points you have surely wouldn't be as important if rep power is capped? At the moment there's no highest rep power, but let's go with the highest a user has which is 67? A new user trying to get to that rep power may as well just give up before they start trying. But under my proposed system, the highest rep power would be something like 3 or 5 and it'd actually be a possible challenge for a new user to try and reach that status :).

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nope want it kept as it is. Don't want to be able to see who has repped a post or have people knowing what posts I have repped.
If the system changes, it doesn't have to be changed to show publically who has liked a post - and tbh I'd also rather it didn't :P.

[AgnesIO]

I think the person who recieves +rep / -rep should be allowed to know without hc vip on the forum and others cannot. But you should be able to share -rep / +rep without getting warned, making it your choice if you share it.

Decided I would definitely not want non-VIPs seeing who repped them - merely because it would take away a feature from VIPs who may have paid/won that privilege.


I think the issue here is that polling is pretty misleading, most people see these threads don't understand and end up voting for the status quo without properly understanding the situation. We need to break the whole reputation debate into separate parts in order to devise our best way forward:

- Reputation Power Inflation
- Displaying the number of -reps
- Publicly Displaying Reps
- Rate limitation of reps

---------- Post added 25-10-2013 at 07:40 PM ----------


Which would look very subtle in the reputation logs.

Whilst I would love to call out an unfair poll, I honestly cannot see how this could really be misleading. Most, if not all, of the people who have voted are established members of the forum who are not totally stupid (well, arguably ;)) I think the results clearly show users still want the rep system (and yes, I was originally in favour of a like system on certain grounds) - so I guess you are right, it would now make sense to look at those other areas that you mentioned :)


I wouldn't mind seeing - and + reps on the little counter, but don't want names listed (which i'm assuming is similar to the like/thank system in terms of under post or whatever it'd list all people who done so)

Also implementing names defeats half of the point in vip/donator

---------- Post added 25-10-2013 at 07:42 PM ----------



So what with the proposed changes you'd want admins to go through the rep logs every so many hours/day to check no-ones abusing it?

Agree here - would like to see how many -reps a post has had, but now agree with no names being listed - simply because that is a VIP feature :)

[Alkaz]

Keep it as it is.

[AgnesIO]

Right, so does anyone have any other concerns? These are four questions that need to be asked (cheers, Chippiewill). Any other stuff, then I or someone else can make one (hopefully final) thread on it, to get a consensus..

- Reputation Power Inflation
- Displaying the number of -reps
- Publicly Displaying Reps
- Rate limitation of reps

[Inseriousity.]

why would you need to make another thread, you're never going to get a consensus, it's habbox. :P

[AgnesIO]

why would you need to make another thread, you're never going to get a consensus, it's habbox. :P

I'm trying to avoid the "it was unfair", "management just did what they wanted" - get some normal members to run the thought process which may help :L As there are differing opinions, it makes sense to try and meet somewhere in the middle (but obviously on the rep system, as that is the majority so far ;)). This thread has effectively achieved its aim, in finding out whether the majority want likes or reps.

[Samantha]

Well, at present 60% of all voters want the system to stay exactly as it is. Meanwhile, about 38% want the system to change (28.5% of these want a like system). Danny.R.H2012 has selected other, but I don't think has actually posted what he does want, making his vote completely void.

Got to say at present, it looks like the current rep system is wanted; if possible would you people want to see who repped what post and -reps on a post? -:Undertaker:- / Bolt660 / Daltron / dbgtz / Dilusionate / Flairr / FlyingJesus / GoldenMerc / Headlines / Inkwell / Inseriousity. / Intersocial / Jordan / lesbian / Lewis / lucaskf390 / Matts / Nick / Red / rihanna-cool / Samanfa / scottish / XxZammyXx / Yuxin / £lliott

In essence, I think that would give what the people who want a like system want, whilst also keeping the reputation system as it currently is (obviously a slight change, but your rep would still stay exactly the same!)

Only just got this, seeing who repped and whatever at the bottom wouldn't be available for non-vip users would it? Sounds like a good idea either way.

[AgnesIO]

Only just got this, seeing who repped and whatever at the bottom wouldn't be available for non-vip users would it? Sounds like a good idea either way.

Yeah that particular thing that was raised by someone is not something I personally favour now, just as I remembered it is a VIP feature to see who repped you; maybe it might be possible to make it possible for only VIPs to see who repped a post?

[Mr-Trainor]

This thread has effectively achieved its aim, in finding out whether the majority want likes or reps.
To be fair, I wouldn't say 44 poll votes represents the majority of the 1,451 active members :P.

[Inseriousity.]

I'm trying to avoid the "it was unfair", "management just did what they wanted" - get some normal members to run the thought process which may help :L As there are differing opinions, it makes sense to try and meet somewhere in the middle (but obviously on the rep system, as that is the majority so far ;)). This thread has effectively achieved its aim, in finding out whether the majority want likes or reps.

Ultimately though, management are going to do what they want. In general, I actually think Habbox has suffered cos management have tried so hard to "meet in the middle" and keep everyone happy that it's stopped them from doing radical change. I'm not sure you're ever going to meet in the middle with this issue (if it's even an issue in the first place, seems rather trivial to me but hey ho). Unless I've misunderstood it but it's always seemed to me that the main argument for a like system was that it removes the rep system's hierarchal status. Even if people 'collect' likes and there's a system in place that recognises that, it is simple to +1 or -1 a post. Keeping the rep system is never going to achieve the facebook-like culture.

[AgnesIO]

To be fair, I wouldn't say 44 poll votes represents the majority of the 1,451 active members :P.

If users do not vote, that is their choice. I'm not sure 40% of the vote should really give a part the right to govern a country (or even less!), particularly when under 65% of the voters actually voted, but there we go.

Also, let's be honest there are not 1,451 active members on this forum - whatever the statistics claim ;)

---------- Post added 25-10-2013 at 10:15 PM ----------


Ultimately though, management are going to do what they want. In general, I actually think Habbox has suffered cos management have tried so hard to "meet in the middle" and keep everyone happy that it's stopped them from doing radical change. I'm not sure you're ever going to meet in the middle with this issue (if it's even an issue in the first place, seems rather trivial to me but hey ho). Unless I've misunderstood it but it's always seemed to me that the main argument for a like system was that it removes the rep system's hierarchal status. Even if people 'collect' likes and there's a system in place that recognises that, it is simple to +1 or -1 a post. Keeping the rep system is never going to achieve the facebook-like culture.

Ultimately, whoever is the manager at the time is needs to remember without happy users, this forum has nothing. By the way, why were you never so open when you were managing? I wish you were.

[Samantha]

If users do not vote, that is their choice. I'm not sure 40% of the vote should really give a part the right to govern a country (or even less!), particularly when under 65% of the voters actually voted, but there we go.

Also, let's be honest there are not 1,451 active members on this forum - whatever the statistics claim ;)

---------- Post added 25-10-2013 at 10:15 PM ----------



Ultimately, whoever is the manager at the time is needs to remember without happy users, this forum has nothing. By the way, why were you never so open when you were managing? I wish you were.

I'm sure he was this open wasn't he? Well he was very open in the staff forums :P.

Yeah the seeing who repped you is a problem, however, if it is possible to do it only with VIPS and management+ then it should be fine.

[Inseriousity.]

Because when you're a manager, you can be open about these things in skype conversations or staff forums where these things are being discussed. When you're not, you have to use feedback threads like everyone else!

[AgnesIO]

I'm sure he was this open wasn't he? Well he was very open in the staff forums :P.

Yeah the seeing who repped you is a problem, however, if it is possible to do it only with VIPS and management+ then it should be fine.


Because when you're a manager, you can be open about these things in skype conversations or staff forums where these things are being discussed. When you're not, you have to use feedback threads like everyone else!

I like managers who are open in public. Like Matt. Or Boris Johnson.

[Inseriousity.]

I've never been afraid to say what I think. Short-term, people might feel uncomfortable or not like it but long term, they respect you for it. However, there is a wisdom about knowing when/where to say something and when to back off. I've not always got it right but if I was in general management and I said in a public feedback thread all of matt's faults, surely your first thought would be 'what a ***, why isn't he talking with matt about this' rather than 'wow he's so open, he's like the habbox boris'

[geo]

i just voted the wrong thing maybe i should be kicked off the forum

not even gonna read bc its prob same as last rep thread but why do we need a change

either keep same with same numbers or do like system but make it fair and give me 10k headstart on likes thank you and goodnight

[AgnesIO]

I've never been afraid to say what I think. Short-term, people might feel uncomfortable or not like it but long term, they respect you for it. However, there is a wisdom about knowing when/where to say something and when to back off. I've not always got it right but if I was in general management and I said in a public feedback thread all of matt's faults, surely your first thought would be 'what a ***, why isn't he talking with matt about this' rather than 'wow he's so open, he's like the habbox boris'

Great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jelly. Maybe I've just noticed your posts more since you resigned :L

[Rachel]

Yes I want to keep it as it is. Like other has probably mentioned, it is nice to see other peoples comment when they +rep or -rep lol

[Mr-Trainor]

If users do not vote, that is their choice. I'm not sure 40% of the vote should really give a part the right to govern a country (or even less!), particularly when under 65% of the voters actually voted, but there we go.

Also, let's be honest there are not 1,451 active members on this forum - whatever the statistics claim ;)

---------- Post added 25-10-2013 at 10:15 PM ----------



Ultimately, whoever is the manager at the time is needs to remember without happy users, this forum has nothing. By the way, why were you never so open when you were managing? I wish you were.
True :P, I wonder what the current criteria is for a member to be named 'active'. But even so, I'm sure there will be people on the forum who won't know this poll is even here if they don't check out the Feedback thread :P.

[Matthew]

Well, at present 60% of all voters want the system to stay exactly as it is. Meanwhile, about 38% want the system to change (28.5% of these want a like system). @Danny.R.H2012 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=112544) has selected other, but I don't think has actually posted what he does want, making his vote completely void.

Got to say at present, it looks like the current rep system is wanted; if possible would you people want to see who repped what post and -reps on a post? @-:Undertaker:- (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24233) / @Bolt660 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55726) / @Daltron (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=112045) / @dbgtz (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=28789) / @Dilusionate (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=67954) / @Flairr (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=117546) / @FlyingJesus (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753) / @GoldenMerc (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=26925) / @Headlines (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53791) / @Inkwell (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=88462) / @Inseriousity. (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=26409) / @Intersocial (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=86637) / @Jordan (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=57962) / @lesbian (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=75795) / @Lewis (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=70869) / @lucaskf390 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=116444) / @Matts (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=60298) / @Nick (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=75119) / @Red (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=81989) / @rihanna-cool (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=116751) / @Samanfa (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=68263) / @scottish (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53890) / @XxZammyXx (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=83201) / @Yuxin (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=63975) / @£lliott (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=30040)

In essence, I think that would give what the people who want a like system want, whilst also keeping the reputation system as it currently is (obviously a slight change, but your rep would still stay exactly the same!)

I'm not sure regarding seeing how many -reps a post has- I mean we have the feature for +reps but my only concern is people might just see that a post has loads of -reps and so -reps it as well (I think this is why we don't have the -rep feature anyway).

I don't think we should see who has +/- repped a post, that should be private. But as for seeing the amount of -reps, I'm for that!

[FlyingJesus]

This is under the assumption that anyone would care enough to abuse it. The point of a like system is that it's so trivial that it would be meaningless to abuse it.

If it's that trivial then it's a pointless system, so thanks for your support in stating that a like system is utterly useless


You cut off half of my sentence there. I originally said I understand what Sam's trying to say because it is hard for new members to get rep. I don't know how to fix this, I was just agreeing with her.

Congrats but my point still stands and no-one has as yet raised a real opposition to it other than NOPE IT'S DIFFICULT I PROMISE despite it being proved otherwise


Because I'm trying to think of a way to turn the rep system in to a like system without having to have two separate systems?

Why?


And actually it would make it easier to earn 'points' (rep points/like points/whatever) because if the power is capped at a lower amount then restrictions can be lifted, meaning people would actually be likely to accumulate points at a faster rate than currently and would make it easier for newer users to catch up with exisiting users in regards to the 'power' (rep power/like power).

Cheers for agreeing that it's easily abused and totally useless


I agree, I don't think anyone would care so much. And with a capped 'power' it's not going to change what they're able to give, but rather it could only increase their points. If someone cares enough to go and waste their time liking every single post from another user then let them.. it'll take them ages to make a small difference.

Cool story but that's the same issue as rep as it currently stands, you're still to note any possible benefit to anyone


I think the issue here is that polling is pretty misleading, most people see these threads don't understand and end up voting for the status quo without properly understanding the situation

I agree that polls are totally useless but if you'd care to actually read the thread you'd see that the most popular decision (keeping things as they are) is backed up by multiple posts that show logical reasoning rather than pointless presumptions by people who clearly have no idea how reward systems work. I'm still waiting to hear even one benefit of switching to a like system


To be fair, I wouldn't say 44 poll votes represents the majority of the 1,451 active members :P.

Fantastic news, now try applying your logic to your utterly useless plans to reform something that even less than that agree with. If 44 (currently 50) votes aren't representative of the popular opinion then 19 certainly isn't and you're just talking total rubbish

[Kyle]

The poll options are a little too disjointed, I voted the rep-like conversion option because to me it was most preferable of the two concerning what this thread is actually about. I offered some suggestions in the earlier thread and showed how I thought they would improve the system but I that doesn't mean I would advocate the switch, I don't feel like the demand is really there. People only seem to want a like system because other websites they use have them?

On displaying names... don't do it -- especially for -reps. Most people like the privacy of repping and the fact that they can do it without judgement from the rest of the community. don't display -reps under a post either, it'll just encourage bandwagoning (as the +rep display proves) and discourage those with unpopular opinions from posting in future.

LEAVE EVERYTHING AS IT IS, THOSE WITH LOW REP POINTS MUST STRIVE TO BE EXCELLENT AND MAKE INTERESTING, FUNNY AND INSIGHTFUL POSTS TO CLIMB THE REP LADDER. INFLATION WILL SORT ITSELF OUT.

[Mr-Trainor]

I'm not sure regarding seeing how many -reps a post has- I mean we have the feature for +reps but my only concern is people might just see that a post has loads of -reps and so -reps it as well (I think this is why we don't have the -rep feature anyway).

I don't think we should see who has +/- repped a post, that should be private. But as for seeing the amount of -reps, I'm for that!
Then surely seeing the green counter on posts that have received a +rep would make loads of people join in and +rep the same post?

If it's that trivial then it's a pointless system, so thanks for your support in stating that a like system is utterly useless



Congrats but my point still stands and no-one has as yet raised a real opposition to it other than NOPE IT'S DIFFICULT I PROMISE despite it being proved otherwise



Why?



Cheers for agreeing that it's easily abused and totally useless



Cool story but that's the same issue as rep as it currently stands, you're still to note any possible benefit to anyone



I agree that polls are totally useless but if you'd care to actually read the thread you'd see that the most popular decision (keeping things as they are) is backed up by multiple posts that show logical reasoning rather than pointless presumptions by people who clearly have no idea how reward systems work. I'm still waiting to hear even one benefit of switching to a like system



Fantastic news, now try applying your logic to your utterly useless plans to reform something that even less than that agree with. If 44 (currently 50) votes aren't representative of the popular opinion then 19 certainly isn't and you're just talking total rubbish
Because it seems like a lot of people are voting and have voted in the past against a like system because they don't want to lose the rep points and comments they've earned over their time at Habbox Forum (myself included). By reforming the current rep system slightly to resemble more of a like system, it means we have a more modern system but also a fairer system (for newer users). As for abusing the system, surely people with high rep powers could also abuse their high rep and negative rep peoples posts - and if they did it to posts where someone broke the forum rules, it wouldn't be against the rules regarding reputation. And so the benefits are:
- more modern system
- a system people will use more than rep, therefore encouraging users to post
- a fairer system where it's actually possible for people to reach the highest rep/like power
- we can see when a post has been disliked

[mrwoooooooo]

get rid of both

[FlyingJesus]

Because it seems like a lot of people are voting and have voted in the past against a like system

So people consistently decide against a change and that's a reason to want change lol ok


a like system, it means we have a more modern system but also a fairer system (for newer users). As for abusing the system, surely people with high rep powers could also abuse their high rep and negative rep peoples posts - and if they did it to posts where someone broke the forum rules, it wouldn't be against the rules regarding reputation.

More modern isn't an argument since there have been like systems around for years, being unnecessarily egalitarian is not the same thing as fair, and rep has limits and rules to it which makes it more difficult to abuse than your suggested changes would.


And so the benefits are:
- more modern system
- a system people will use more than rep, therefore encouraging users to post
- a fairer system where it's actually possible for people to reach the highest rep/like power
- we can see when a post has been disliked

Why would people use it more? I don't see any evidence to this effect, especially since so many people don't even want it.
Having a cap on power just makes it so there's no actual reward, which is the opposite of fairer.
An indicator for -rep has been suggested time and time again yet for some reason has always been naysayed by upper management, it could be added on to the current system without changing all the rest though.

[Kardan]

Can someone explain to me how a like system would get used more than a rep system when over half the people want a rep system to stay in the first place?

[Matthew]

Then surely seeing the green counter on posts that have received a +rep would make loads of people join in and +rep the same post?


I remember that being the exact argument when the +rep 'counter' was added in the first place. IMO if we have one for +rep then we should have one for -rep too

[Red]

I remember that being the exact argument when the +rep 'counter' was added in the first place. IMO if we have one for +rep then we should have one for -rep too

No we shouldn't for the reasons Kyle said!!

[Chippiewill]

Can someone explain to me how a like system would get used more than a rep system when over half the people want a rep system to stay in the first place?

It's more prominently displayed, faster to use and typically isn't rate limited. It is currently employed on facepunch and virtually every post gets rated in some manner.

[wixard]

okay, you need to cut this 'reward' system crap. rep is not a reward, i don't think twice about getting rep

if we had a like system, i'd read a post and i'd more than often press like if i liked it. with rep, i sometimes forget it's even there and so i hardly ever rep anyone. with the like system a lot more people would be getting likes on their posts, making them 'feel better' and imo people would start to post more because they like getting their egos massaged.

[scottish]

people aren't going to post more because you like their posts, same as if you get repped you don't care typically and sure as hell aren't going to start posting a lot more because of the rep

comparing a community like facepunch (with nearly 38k active members and consistently 1.5k+ members online) to habbox is stupid, so don't even use the argument "oh communities with 30x our userbase do it so should we!1!"

it's useless, you may now close the thread and forget all about this idea.

[wixard]

people aren't going to post more because you like their posts, same as if you get repped you don't care typically and sure as hell aren't going to start posting a lot more because of the rep

comparing a community like facepunch (with nearly 38k active members and consistently 1.5k+ members online) to habbox is stupid, so don't even use the argument "oh communities with 30x our userbase do it so should we!1!"

it's useless, you may now close the thread and forget all about this idea.

i'll bet you anything they would. it's not like rep though, because it's not often someone gets repped and many people don't bother because instead of rep being just one click away it's like 3, and you have to enter a comment. we are a generation that has become increasingly lazy and easily distracted and a like button will just make things WAY SIMPLER. you just click it and it appears, why are people so eager to keep rep? a like system would be so much more beneficial to the forum which is slowly dying, at least let us go out with some fun instead of being so god damn old fashioned and boring as always

[Chippiewill]

comparing a community like facepunch (with nearly 38k active members and consistently 1.5k+ members online) to habbox is stupid, so don't even use the argument "oh communities with 30x our userbase do it so should we!1!"

I wasn't saying we should because they do. I was saying that a like system gets used more than a rep system for the reasons listed and then provided an example of somewhere it gets used a lot. Heck, I rarely browse facepunch but I still use their like system more than our rep system.

[scottish]

I wasn't saying we should because they do. I was saying that a like system gets used more than a rep system for the reasons listed and then provided an example of somewhere it gets used a lot. Heck, I rarely browse facepunch but I still use their like system more than our rep system.

You're saying that a community with active members some 30 times what we have, has an active like system..

Then change rep to make it easier if people are that lazy, make it a thumbs up or down button (if you really think people are too lazy to click the button then click good/bad), make it so rep doesn't need a comment but it's allowed one.

[Kardan]

i'll bet you anything they would. it's not like rep though, because it's not often someone gets repped and many people don't bother because instead of rep being just one click away it's like 3, and you have to enter a comment. we are a generation that has become increasingly lazy and easily distracted and a like button will just make things WAY SIMPLER. you just click it and it appears, why are people so eager to keep rep? a like system would be so much more beneficial to the forum which is slowly dying, at least let us go out with some fun instead of being so god damn old fashioned and boring as always

Rep is 2 clicks and you don't need a comment - just tried that out on you :P So are we saying a like system would be more popular because you save 1 click?

In that case, can we not change the 'Give rep' button into a '+rep', '-rep' button :P

[AgnesIO]

Can someone explain to me how a like system would get used more than a rep system when over half the people want a rep system to stay in the first place?

It wouldn't.

[Chippiewill]

In that case, can we not change the 'Give rep' button into a '+rep', '-rep' button :P

Because that's literally what the like system is.

[FlyingJesus]

No we shouldn't for the reasons Kyle said!!

Perhaps not showing -reps then but -rep should at least take away from the number of +reps displayed on a post. Currently if a post has 2 +reps it'll look like it's a popular opinion even if 50 people -rep it


It's more prominently displayed, faster to use and typically isn't rate limited. It is currently employed on facepunch and virtually every post gets rated in some manner.

So what you're saying is that it's useless and meaningless therefore we should use it cool


a like system would be so much more beneficial to the forum

Howwwwwwww this has still not been explained it's just repetitions of "it's great honest" with just a bunch of conjecture about how people might possibly use it more, which doesn't outweigh how pointless it is

[Kardan]

Because that's literally what the like system is.

So we can keep the current system, so rep isn't eliminated and have a system like the like system. Great!

[wixard]

Perhaps not showing -reps then but -rep should at least take away from the number of +reps displayed on a post. Currently if a post has 2 +reps it'll look like it's a popular opinion even if 50 people -rep it



So what you're saying is that it's useless and meaningless therefore we should use it cool



Howwwwwwww this has still not been explained it's just repetitions of "it's great honest" with just a bunch of conjecture about how people might possibly use it more, which doesn't outweigh how pointless it is

REP IS JUST AS POINTLESS, you justify rep by saying it's a reward system. there is no need for such a reward system on this forum when you already have those crappy things like achievements or badges or whatever the **** they are awards and that other thing i can't remember what it is that you can buy donator and crap with.

if there was a like system i'd use it a lot more than a rep system, and i'm sure it would be the same for other people
the only reason you want to keep rep is because you paid for it

also Kardan; it's 3 clicks if you want to change it to negative

[scottish]

oh no not another click

Think about it, if you didn't argue about adding some like system you'd have saved yourself thousands of clicks and key presses.

So you're basically arguing likes are useless, rep is just as useless, so lets change the system the forum uses and go against the majority who don't want it changed for something that's ultimately pointless.

[FlyingJesus]

Never paid for rep and I don't even claim the free stuff you get with VIP so nope try again, I want it because it's something I've earned and isn't a totally crap system with no benefits to anyone. The fact that you might use it more to show how much you love Graham doesn't mean it's a necessary change and doesn't negate all the problems that no-one's bothered to refute

[wixard]

have it your way then i don't really care or want to put anymore effort into this argument

enjoy your rep system




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Thread: help me dress up forum (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=8008631#post8008631)


08-09-2013 2:21 PM
lemons (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=104567)

Thread: help me dress up forum (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=8008620#post8008620)


08-09-2013 2:20 PM
Nightwing (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=117334)

Thread: help me dress up forum (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=8008614#post8008614)


my latest reps, don't see any of my friends on there besides graham once but ok

[FlyingJesus]

Good thing I didn't say anything to that effect then really I suppose...

wait what Andy Myles Cerys

[wixard]

yeah look at myles one though it was a hilarious post i would have repped anyone for

and that's exactly what you implied

[FlyingJesus]

No I said you might do that if we had the like system that you want, you obv don't do it now as you already said a few times that you don't really use rep. Not to mention it would be impossible for all of those to be toward Graham anyway with the current system :P

[sex]

Why am I being talked about lol
Rep is crap yes you deserved it so didn't everyone else but you can have a bit on your profile maybe saying you achieved x amount of rep or maybe a reward then just scrap it for a like system


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[scottish]

So you want to leave the rep system, just remove the ability to give any further rep in future, and implement another system

This suggestion gets worse by the day

[sex]

No I said give old man tom an award or something saying he got x amount of rep before it was replaced with a like system since all he cares about is his high number
That's not leaving the rep system

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[FlyingJesus]

Still waiting to hear an actual benefit of the like system

[Samantha]

Still waiting to hear an actual benefit of the like system

It will shut people up?

Seriously though, I think at the moment it could be best left as rep, but who knows what could happen in the future? I think the majority can't really find many benefits for switching.

[sex]

Well for one it puts everyone regardless of their join date or post count at a level playing field. It also stops people like you (because you have admitted it in the past) -repping people you don't like / say something bad who are new. Either you like a post or you just ignore it... Where as with rep you can put someone into the red which makes them seem like they are some sort of "bad person" or whatever you wanna call it when they simply might be just new and made one bad post lol...


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---------- Post added 26-10-2013 at 09:20 PM ----------

There is literally as many benefits for rep if not less for likes..


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[FlyingJesus]

That is something that I did back in like 2007 and it was only ever people I didn't like - this idea that people target new members for no reason is totally unfounded as it never actually happened. I am in fact far more likely to +rep newer people who make good contributions than I am the very few people I know and like, so as I've said before this unlevel playing field actually makes it far easier for new members to progress through the ranks. Also the fact that the people who are wanting a like system can't seem to even agree on what that system would be doesn't really give it much weight

[scottish]

So you want a system where you can get positives for good post, but nothing for absolute crap posts?

You're all over the place with suggestions.. half of you for the change want dislikes shown, now you're saying you don't even want the ability to dislike..

Just give up, there's no reason to change.

You may now completely forgot about the idea and close the thread Chris; (if ur even manager anymore)

[Mikey]

Keep it the same as it has been for ages, why change it?

[sex]

So you want a system where you can get positives for good post, but nothing for absolute crap posts?

You're all over the place with suggestions.. half of you for the change want dislikes shown, now you're saying you don't even want the ability to dislike..

Just give up, there's no reason to change.

You may now completely forgot about the idea and close the thread Chris; (if ur even manager anymore)

What's the point in dislikes or -reps when people don't even use them correctly? I know you don't and you -rep people who Jen asks you to because she doesn't wanna do it herself...e.g flyingjesus....

I don't see the point in having a dislike system when it's just used 90% of the time to bully people. If you're gonna just have +reps then you may as well have a like system..

I don't even see why you care you barely post

[Mr-Trainor]

This thread seems to be going round in circles.


It's more prominently displayed, faster to use and typically isn't rate limited. It is currently employed on facepunch and virtually every post gets rated in some manner.


okay, you need to cut this 'reward' system crap. rep is not a reward, i don't think twice about getting rep

if we had a like system, i'd read a post and i'd more than often press like if i liked it. with rep, i sometimes forget it's even there and so i hardly ever rep anyone. with the like system a lot more people would be getting likes on their posts, making them 'feel better' and imo people would start to post more because they like getting their egos massaged.
Agreed with these two posts ^ so no point me repeating the same thing :P.

Rep is 2 clicks and you don't need a comment - just tried that out on you :P So are we saying a like system would be more popular because you save 1 click?

In that case, can we not change the 'Give rep' button into a '+rep', '-rep' button :P
And because
1 - it's not limited
2 - the power of clicking the button isn't so high so you essentially don't have to think about it as much.
3 - and actually, saving a click is a big deal - the current rep buttons are 'hidden' away. See my first quote above.

Howwwwwwww this has still not been explained it's just repetitions of "it's great honest" with just a bunch of conjecture about how people might possibly use it more, which doesn't outweigh how pointless it is


Still waiting to hear an actual benefit of the like system
What I'd like to hear is benefits of keeping the rep system in its current state.
You keep asking for benefits of a like system but I've already answered you, but you disagreed with them and keep asking for more. The answer isn't going to change :P.

[Kardan]

It will shut people up?

Seriously though, I think at the moment it could be best left as rep, but who knows what could happen in the future? I think the majority can't really find many benefits for switching.

In that case if I start a petition for free VIP for all members, shall we carry on and keep moaning until we get it implemented because it will shut everyone up :P

To be fair, that's a really crap reason.

"Let's change something because 35% of the forum want something else, despite the 65% that want the same system"

---------- Post added 27-10-2013 at 12:19 PM ----------

And so this thread has essentially established that the only benefit of a like system, over a rep system is saving one click.

In that case can I get the main banner at the top of the page changed to link to new posts rather than the forum home page. I can't be arsed to scroll down 50 pixels.

---------- Post added 27-10-2013 at 12:21 PM ----------


Well for one it puts everyone regardless of their join date or post count at a level playing field. It also stops people like you (because you have admitted it in the past) -repping people you don't like / say something bad who are new. Either you like a post or you just ignore it... Where as with rep you can put someone into the red which makes them seem like they are some sort of "bad person" or whatever you wanna call it when they simply might be just new and made one bad post lol...


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---------- Post added 26-10-2013 at 09:20 PM ----------

There is literally as many benefits for rep if not less for likes..


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But hang on, if we introduce the like system, then after a month, how are new members going to get to the same level of likes as a current member? Does that mean we'll have to keep resetting the like system - since we clearly want a level playing field here.

[scottish]

What's the point in dislikes or -reps when people don't even use them correctly? I know you don't and you -rep people who Jen asks you to because she doesn't wanna do it herself...e.g flyingjesus....

I don't see the point in having a dislike system when it's just used 90% of the time to bully people. If you're gonna just have +reps then you may as well have a like system..

I don't even see why you care you barely post

From what I remember I've repped one person because jen asked me to, and that was +rep lemons; I -repped FJ once because I think he's a creep, nothing to do with jen? lol try again.

No-one wants just +reps, everyone wants it left as it is (well majority)..

What difference does that make lol

---------- Post added 27-10-2013 at 12:39 PM ----------
CrazyLemurs; even not lemons; thought he changed his name

[Chippiewill]

So we can keep the current system, so rep isn't eliminated and have a system like the like system. Great!

Well that's basically option 4 of the poll, which is probably easier to implement.

[wixard]

Kardan; you're ignoring all our other points were making about a like system and picking on the weakest?

why could we not implement it, with a regard to people's current rep power so it would have the same benefits rep has right now whilst keeping everyone happy? you're just being stubborn

[scottish]

because you're not keeping everyone happy when majority of the people are against it..

It's pointless, end of

[wixard]

you kardan and fj are the only ones actually posting, i don't think others would mind if it got converted to a like system which would benefit EVERYONE.

also gets rid of negative rep which is more than often only used maliciously or when your gf tells you to do it

[scottish]

it wouldn't benefit everyone, it would benefit you.

People voted in the pole, your idea got rejected, time to move on.

If you learned to read you'd see previous comment at graham, try again.

[buttons]

i haven't told him to -rep anyone ive only asked him to +rep,u don't need to bring me in jst because u guys r disagreeing with him

[wixard]

it wouldn't benefit everyone, it would benefit you.

People voted in the pole, your idea got rejected, time to move on.

If you learned to read you'd see previous comment at graham, try again.

i did see it, just don't believe your post

how would it benefit me and not everyone else? if anything it benefits more people who actually 'work' for habbox and their circle of friends. i have no friends here, just graham and people that don't post anymore. buttons; just like fj brought graham into it?

[buttons]

yeah then it applies to fj too

[scottish]

i did see it, just don't believe your post

how would it benefit me and not everyone else? if anything it benefits more people who actually 'work' for habbox and their circle of friends. i have no friends here, just graham and people that don't post anymore. buttons; just like fj brought graham into it?

can see my -reps if you really want lol, I typically -rep idiots in feedback threads.

So basically theres no benefit to it other than 1 less duty for a super mod (or whoever deals with rep abuse which by your knowledge is hardly abused anyway as no-one can be bothered clicking 3 buttons to -rep anyone)

[wixard]

either way it's being used as an example of why the rep system is outdated and can be abused

i don't really care that much the only reason I posted again was because you were being a completely moronic **** in your posts Scott, with no respect for anyone else so I decided to step in. FYI, there are more of us actively posting in the thread for the like system than against

---------- Post added 27-10-2013 at 01:18 PM ----------

oh my god are you blind or just plain ignorant? we've listed multiple reasons for it to be beneficial yet you keep focusing on one and pretending we've mentioned nothing else. also warping it into some bizarre reason we never said like 'less hassle for moderators' no... we never said that.

[scottish]

Instead of constantly going on 'omg we've listed like tons, you're focusing on one', shut up and list them all and i'll tell you why that's crap.

Just because theres maybe 3-4 people arguing for it and 3 against it doesn't change the fact people voted in favour to leave it.

The end

[wixard]

Instead of constantly going on 'omg we've listed like tons, you're focusing on one', shut up and list them all and i'll tell you why that's crap.

Just because theres maybe 3-4 people arguing for it and 3 against it doesn't change the fact people voted in favour to leave it.

The end

you keep saying the end yet you keep posting, do you think that brings some sort of superiority to your post which will just shut everyone up? it's making you look like a complete idiot.

if you go back a page chippiwill/mr-trainor one of them quoted all of the reasons, which you're obviously just too ignorant to read. if you're so eager to **** yourself whilst putting down each reason we listed why don't you go back yourself and quote each one from the very beginning and then give us a detailed explanation of why they're invalid.

THANKS, THE END.

[scottish]

you keep saying the end yet you keep posting, do you think that brings some sort of superiority to your post which will just shut everyone up? it's making you look like a complete idiot.

if you go back a page chippiwill/mr-trainor one of them quoted all of the reasons, which you're just too ignorant to read. if you're so eager to **** yourself whilst putting down each reason we listed why don't you go back yourself and quote each one from the very beginning and then give us a detailed explanation of why they're invalid.

THANKS, THE END.

It should do.


Instead of constantly going on 'omg we've listed like tons, you're focusing on one', shut up and list them all and i'll tell you why that's crap.

You know where it is, go quote it. I don't care enough to look for it as by the looks of it majority is against it.
Chris; you may now close the thread

[wixard]

It should do.



You know where it is, go quote it. I don't care enough to look for it as by the looks of it majority is against it.
@Chris (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55895); you may now close the thread


but why? lol. you're the one that wants to explain why each reason is ****. you clearly care enough because you're constantly posting in this thread? i understand you're itching to get back to all your gaming needz and this is too much of a distraction for you but don't start what you can't finish

[scottish]

I'm too busy playing games to look through the thread

still laughing at you trying to insult me because i'm disagreeing with your opinion, then even trying to bring Jen into this and completely failing.

and this is already finished.

[wixard]

I'm too busy playing games to look through the thread

still laughing at you trying to insult me because i'm disagreeing with your opinion, then even trying to bring Jen into this and completely failing.

and this is already finished.

are you actually laughing though, in that case i'm still laughing at you trying to get the last word. i like jen, the only reason i brought her into it was to say why and how the system can be abused by -repping someone for a friend, or a girlfriend. never said her name, i just said girlfriend. just how fj brought graham into it to say how the like system could be abused. don't really understand why you're saying it failed though, obviously riled you up enough to run straight to her and tell her and point her in the direction of the thread, which she then posted in like a minute after my post lol.....

it was never a question of changing the rep system, it's always been obvious it was never happening. this thread was made by marketing fgs who even is that? we're just saying why it would benefit, the rep system is without a doubt 100% safe yet it's cute to see you defend it to the ground and rage at us when we suggest reasons why it would be better.

THE END.

[buttons]

I want like system with the amount of reps u have converted into likes, surely the amount of your posts that have been liked is more important than the amount of points you've been given seeing as power is unequal. just seems like people want rep because they get lots of power n points even if they haven't actually had that much individual likes so rep system isn't really fair. yes with likes u can just like all ur friends posts but u can do that with rep already, at least with like it'll be more obvious if they're doing it to get their friends likes up (which would be pointless as it goes up 1 point at a time) soz if this doesn't make sense im still drunk, I think both system have their flaws but likes is obviously fairer as not one person has more power over another

but appaz only 13 of us or so want that so doubt it'll happen, just think like system is more modern and fair

o n another point about rep being unfair is fact it's changed so much times that someone could get 50 points from me then if my rep gets lowered to 20 or so then they only get 20 next time, makes it unfair for new members because some people here have been getting 50 in the past but they can only get 20.. So would be harder for them TO CAtch up..

[scottish]

are you actually laughing though, in that case i'm still laughing at you trying to get the last word. i like jen, the only reason i brought her into it was to say why and how the system can be abused by -repping someone for a friend, or a girlfriend. never said her name, i just said girlfriend. just how fj brought graham into it to say how the like system could be abused. don't really understand why you're saying it failed though, obviously riled you up enough to run straight to her and tell her and point her in the direction of the thread, which she then posted in like a minute after my post lol.....

it was never a question of changing the rep system, it's always been obvious it was never happening. this thread was made by marketing fgs who even is that? we're just saying why it would benefit, the rep system is without a doubt 100% safe yet it's cute to see you defend it to the ground and rage at us when we suggest reasons why it would be better.

THE END.

Well actually she told me that graham had mentioned her so.. kinda failed again.

You're yet to quote the reasons it's better and yet again going on 'oh we've said why its better'..

If it's obvious it's never happening why am I wasting my time posting here when I could be playing games?!

/thread

[buttons]

scott list why my reasonings are crap plz ;) n before I get my head bitten off i only told scott cause I asked him when I told him to -rep fj

[wixard]

Well actually she told me that graham had mentioned her so.. kinda failed again.

You're yet to quote the reasons it's better and yet again going on 'oh we've said why its better'..

If it's obvious it's never happening why am I wasting my time posting here when I could be playing games?!

/thread

don't really get how that failed again, graham posted like over an hour before me. she wasn't viewing the thread at the time of my post so it's obvious you told her because she posted straight after me? but ok yeah failed again :) :)

already told you, we've quoted them only a page or two back, you're the one too lazy to go back and find them, why should i do the work for you when it's already been easily laid out? finally i dunno why you're posting here to be honest, bit of a stupid move considering rep isn't changing as they've stated so multiple times in the past!!!!

[karter]

only the people with a high rep power are posting in this thread while the people with low rep power don't even give a ****...so...idk

[scottish]

I want like system with the amount of reps u have converted into likes, surely the amount of your posts that have been liked is more important than the amount of points you've been given seeing as power is unequal. just seems like people want rep because they get lots of power n points even if they haven't actually had that much individual likes so rep system isn't really fair. yes with likes u can just like all ur friends posts but u can do that with rep already, at least with like it'll be more obvious if they're doing it to get their friends likes up (which would be pointless as it goes up 1 point at a time) soz if this doesn't make sense im still drunk, I think both system have their flaws but likes is obviously fairer as not one person has more power over another

but appaz only 13 of us or so want that so doubt it'll happen, just think like system is more modern and fair

o n another point about rep being unfair is fact it's changed so much times that someone could get 50 points from me then if my rep gets lowered to 20 or so then they only get 20 next time, makes it unfair for new members because some people here have been getting 50 in the past but they can only get 20.. So would be harder for them TO CAtch up..

Power isn't meant to be equal, someone who's been here for 8 years and posted constructively/positively for those years should have more power/points to give than someone who's been here 2 months with 100 posts..

You can't infinitely rep with the current system as you have a wait period and a rep other user period (unless that's changed), you have to wait a week and rep 10-20 other people before you can rep the same person again. So at very least you're waiting the cooldown period (1 week?) so you can give what 51 rep in a week, with the like system you can give that in a day..

With rep no one person has 'power' over another, they have different rep power yes but not one person has the max power and no-one else near..



I don't get your last point, if someones rep is 50 then the system changes to reduce it to 20 they now get 20? Well obviously it's not going to go through every rep given and reduce the points.. but yeah the rep power isn't an issue, it's easier for people to gain rep points now than it was before due to rep inflation if you wish to name it that, before we were getting what 5-15 points per rep, now you're getting 20-70? It's a lot easier to get points now than it was previously, so stating that as a flaw with the current system as users have a hard time catching up is just utter crap.

---------- Post added 27-10-2013 at 02:16 PM ----------


don't really get how that failed again, graham posted like over an hour before me. she wasn't viewing the thread at the time of my post so it's obvious you told her because she posted straight after me? but ok yeah failed again :) :)

already told you, we've quoted them only a page or two back, you're the one too lazy to go back and find them, why should i do the work for you when it's already been easily laid out? finally i dunno why you're posting here to be honest, bit of a stupid move considering rep isn't changing as they've stated so multiple times in the past!!!!

People are capable of reading the forums without being instructed to, I've never mentioned the forum to her, as you can see from her post she noticed it and told me lol only reason I came on the forum to reply..

Okay then why am I wasting my time if it's definitely not changing then, back to TTT.

[wixard]

Power isn't meant to be equal, someone who's been here for 8 years and posted constructively/positively for those years should have more power/points to give than someone who's been here 2 months with 100 posts..

You can't infinitely rep with the current system as you have a wait period and a rep other user period (unless that's changed), you have to wait a week and rep 10-20 other people before you can rep the same person again. So at very least you're waiting the cooldown period (1 week?) so you can give what 51 rep in a week, with the like system you can give that in a day..

With rep no one person has 'power' over another, they have different rep power yes but not one person has the max power and no-one else near..



I don't get your last point, if someones rep is 50 then the system changes to reduce it to 20 they now get 20? Well obviously it's not going to go through every rep given and reduce the points.. but yeah the rep power isn't an issue, it's easier for people to gain rep points now than it was before due to rep inflation if you wish to name it that, before we were getting what 5-15 points per rep, now you're getting 20-70? It's a lot easier to get points now than it was previously, so stating that as a flaw with the current system as users have a hard time catching up is just utter crap.

---------- Post added 27-10-2013 at 02:16 PM ----------



People are capable of reading the forums without being instructed to, I've never mentioned the forum to her, as you can see from her post she noticed it and told me lol only reason I came on the forum to reply..

Okay then why am I wasting my time if it's definitely not changing then, back to TTT.

i posted after graham, you were already viewing the thread by the time i had posted
jen was not, i'm not saying anything about grahams post i'm saying about MY post
clearly two different posts at two different times, no idea why you're talking about his post?

and why are you repeating the same question, you already asked that in your last post and i answered
i don't know why you're wasting your time, so yes go back to your games.

also it's rude to refer to another person actively participating in the discussion as 'she' or 'her'!!!!! especially if SHE is your girlfriend. she might not mind but you should probably take that into consideration in the future when interacting with others.

[scottish]

i posted after graham, you were already viewing the thread by the time i had posted
she was not, i'm not saying anything about grahams post i'm saying about MY post
clearly two different posts at two different times, no idea why you're talking about his post?

and why are you repeating the same question, you already asked that in your last post and i answered
i don't know why you're wasting your time, so yes go back to your games.

because you can't seem to grasp that people see new posts. I've never went to jen and said you said something on the forum lol.

I shall do.

[wixard]

because you can't seem to grasp that people see new posts. I've never went to jen and said you said something on the forum lol.

I shall do.

okay good.

[buttons]

Power isn't meant to be equal, someone who's been here for 8 years and posted constructively/positively for those years should have more power/points to give than someone who's been here 2 months with 100 posts..

You can't infinitely rep with the current system as you have a wait period and a rep other user period (unless that's changed), you have to wait a week and rep 10-20 other people before you can rep the same person again. So at very least you're waiting the cooldown period (1 week?) so you can give what 51 rep in a week, with the like system you can give that in a day..

With rep no one person has 'power' over another, they have different rep power yes but not one person has the max power and no-one else near..



I don't get your last point, if someones rep is 50 then the system changes to reduce it to 20 they now get 20? Well obviously it's not going to go through every rep given and reduce the points.. but yeah the rep power isn't an issue, it's easier for people to gain rep points now than it was before due to rep inflation if you wish to name it that, before we were getting what 5-15 points per rep, now you're getting 20-70? It's a lot easier to get points now than it was previously, so stating that as a flaw with the current system as users have a hard time catching up is just utter crap.

---------- Post added 27-10-2013 at 02:16 PM ----------



People are capable of reading the forums without being instructed to, I've never mentioned the forum to her, as you can see from her post she noticed it and told me lol only reason I came on the forum to reply..

Okay then why am I wasting my time if it's definitely not changing then, back to TTT.
but your rep points and power isn't an indication of how constructively you've posted because you can give your friends rep for no reason, not for constructive posts. people say they've earned rep when i know ive given them like 400 or so of their points just because i wanted to comment something to them which may not even be relevant to that post or even the forum... i rep people to comment on a post they've written instead of posting because id be off topic so rly im giving them rep for nothing.

I don't believe people should have power to show they're well liked or whatever because it's not always the case, plus your like meter will show how popular your posts are? n let's be honest, the amount of power you get for your time here and posts you've made isn't that much. rep power isn't fair, just coz ive got lots of rep points doesn't mean ive got more likeable posts than a person with smaller rep points, they might have more individual reps than i do, it's just that they've been given rep by people with less power than me. plus the fact u have to spread means they might miss out getting rep because someone needs to spread n thus they get less rep than they deserve.

also funny how ppl are constantly complaining about the rep system, how -reps get removed, the system gets abused, u can't -rep ur full points etc but once your rep power and points are in jeopardy everyone is keen to save the rep system lol.

And ur point with the spreading to rep, isn't that a negative? shouldn't u be allowed to like any post u want rather than wait a week to rep pne post even tho u want to rep many posts? ive tried to rep graham twice because I liked two posts but I can't cause I already repped him last week n then ill only be able to rep one post so with like system ud get all the posts u want liked and would be better for everyone because it'd be better indication of how much people like your posts.

and my last point was that, right now say i gave someone 2 rep a month so 100 rep a month, I could get them up 500 points in 5 month. But if my rep was then scaled down to 20, 2 reps a month would be 60 so they'd get 320 despite the fact before that they'd get 500. A new member would only get my 320 whereas those before the rep scaled down would have a higher advantage because they were getting 50 points at a time from me... SO therefore it'd be unfair on new members. I don't like points and rep power tbh, I think we should be equal and have an indicator as to how often our posts are liked but that's just me. Obviously it's not gonna change but I'm giving my opinion,

[Kardan]

you kardan and fj are the only ones actually posting, i don't think others would mind if it got converted to a like system which would benefit EVERYONE.

also gets rid of negative rep which is more than often only used maliciously or when your gf tells you to do it

Looking at the poll suggests otherwise.

[buttons]

Looking at the poll suggests otherwise.
Because most people probably aren't looking at pros and cons and just want to keep their rep power n look like they're more amazing popular than they really are

[Kardan]

Because most people probably aren't looking at pros and cons and just want to keep their rep power n look like they're more amazing popular than they really are

Well, if that's why they are voting then so be it... Just because their reasons aren't as good doesn't mean their vote is worthless :P

[wixard]

33 people want to keep rep, 21 want the like system

that really isn't that much of a difference, with the people who voted the like system that's a definite thing that they want, that they don't care that rep is gone. for people voting the rep some may not have even read the other options in the poll to see that we'd convert their rep into the like system if that's really what they wanted, which would make everyone happy.

also there are more of us arguing for the like system than against, there's 3 of you and about 5/6 of us.
nobody else is actively participating, so i don't really think they mind all that much.

[scottish]

but your rep points and power isn't an indication of how constructively you've posted because you can give your friends rep for no reason, not for constructive posts. people say they've earned rep when i know ive given them like 400 or so of their points just because i wanted to comment something to them which may not even be relevant to that post or even the forum... i rep people to comment on a post they've written instead of posting because id be off topic so rly im giving them rep for nothing.

I don't believe people should have power to show they're well liked or whatever because it's not always the case, plus your like meter will show how popular your posts are? n let's be honest, the amount of power you get for your time here and posts you've made isn't that much. rep power isn't fair, just coz ive got lots of rep points doesn't mean ive got more likeable posts than a person with smaller rep points, they might have more individual reps than i do, it's just that they've been given rep by people with less power than me.

also funny how ppl are constantly complaining about the rep system, how -reps get removed, the system gets abused, u can't -rep ur full points etc but once your rep power and points are in jeopardy everyone is keen to save the rep system lol.

And ur point with the spreading to rep, isn't that a negative? shouldn't u be allowed to like any post u want rather than wait a week to rep pne post even tho u want to rep many posts? ive tried to rep graham twice because I liked two posts but I can't cause I already repped him last week n then ill only be able to rep one post so with like system ud get all the posts u want liked and would be better for everyone because it'd be better indication of how much people like your posts.

and my last point was that, right now say i gave someone 2 rep a month so 100 rep a month, I could get them up 500 points in 5 month. But if my rep was then scaled down to 20, 2 reps a month would be 60 so they'd get 320 despite the fact before that they'd get 500. A new member would only get my 320 whereas those before the rep scaled down would have a higher advantage because they were getting 50 points at a time from me... SO therefore it'd be unfair on new members. I don't like points and rep power tbh, I think we should be equal and have an indicator as to how often our posts are liked but that's just me. Obviously it's not gonna change but I'm giving my opinion,

trying to play TTT here..

You can give your friends for no reason but it'll typically be pointless rep and can be removed if the person in charge can be bothered doing so, it's also limited in how often you can do so (once a week etc), just because you use rep for a different purpose than it's meant doesn't mean everyone does.. I know myself half my comments are thanks for helping them in tech etc, or people agreeing with me.

Rep power doesn't show people are well liked, pretty sure FJ said in the thread he's one of highest rep powers and not many people like him.. and that's how reps meant to work.. the people with more constructive posts/been here longer generally get higher rep so they have higher power to give out to other people.

I don't usually complain about rep, the system may be abused but it's a hell of a lot less flawed than the like system would be.

No, you should have a cooldown period between reps, if you think that post deserves a rep then you can take note of it and rep when you're next able to do so (as some people do in sigs owe rep to x and x)

So your point is if the system is scaled back, they still get the original points? that's only fair.. they got the points at the time when the system wasn't scaled back it would be stupid to go through every rep and change to the new scaled back number... No-ones saying to scale it back though, the majority decision is to leave it alone. So that's not even an issue thats being brought up?

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33 people want to keep rep, 21 want the like system

that really isn't that much of a difference, with the people who voted the like system that's a definite thing that they want, that they don't care that rep is gone. for people voting the rep some may not have even read the other options in the poll to see that we'd convert their rep into the like system if that's really what they wanted, which would make everyone happy.

also there are more of us arguing for the like system than against, there's 3 of you and about 5/6 of us.
nobody else is actively participating, so i don't really think they mind all that much.

just because people cba arguing for a system that you've already said has been completely rejected and is definitely not happening doesn't mean their vote is invalid.

if it's said it's definitely not happening then why should people argue to keep it.. just wasting their time

[sex]

But hang on, if we introduce the like system, then after a month, how are new members going to get to the same level of likes as a current member? Does that mean we'll have to keep resetting the like system - since we clearly want a level playing field here.

No wrong, because 1 like will equal one like in a week, in a month or in a year regardless of how many you have.. It will always be equal. Try again. You don't even need to show how many likes each person has? Its just for the postbit to show who liked each post etc. Since you seem to have brought up the fact that people will see how many likes people get etc brings me to believe that the only reason you're fighting this is because the amount of rep power you have gives you a big fat raging hard on.


From what I remember I've repped one person because jen asked me to, and that was +rep lemons; I -repped FJ once because I think he's a creep, nothing to do with jen? lol try again.

No-one wants just +reps, everyone wants it left as it is (well majority)..

What difference does that make lol

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CrazyLemurs; even not lemons; thought he changed his name
"Nothing to do with jen" when she told me herself that she got you to -rep him.. but ok continue lying if you like. Thats hardly "nothing to do with her" if you -repped him in a post directed her because she asked you to. God you're and idiot (waits for you to report me lol)


I'm too busy playing games to look through the thread

still laughing at you trying to insult me because i'm disagreeing with your opinion, then even trying to bring Jen into this and completely failing.

and this is already finished.

You called her an idiot first?!?!? Even if you didn't youre very very hostile in this thread towards anyone who doesn't agree with you. Maybe you should put the time and effort your putting fighting your point in this thread into a finding a job?!?! Just an idea lol.


Looking at the poll suggests otherwise.
Sorry but if you look at some of the people who voted for the rep option you will see a lot of them are events hosts who are only voting not because they care about rep its because they are too cheap to give out prizes. You will also see around 6 users who have less than 100 posts and 1 rep power which leads me to believe a lot of people are asking their friends to vote. Compared with both like options who have active, well known users who post regularly..

[Kardan]

33 people want to keep rep, 21 want the like system

that really isn't that much of a difference, with the people who voted the like system that's a definite thing that they want, that they don't care that rep is gone. for people voting the rep some may not have even read the other options in the poll to see that we'd convert their rep into the like system if that's really what they wanted, which would make everyone happy.

also there are more of us arguing for the like system than against, there's 3 of you and about 5/6 of us.
nobody else is actively participating, so i don't really think they mind all that much.

Do you not see what you're saying? You're saying that all the people that voted for your option definitely wanted your option. But all the people that voted for the option that is winning (Which may I add is not my option/opinion) definitely didn't think about what they were doing, and probably meant to click another option.

And just because people don't post doesn't mean they don't care. Fair enough if they don't vote.

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No wrong, because 1 like will equal one like in a week, in a month or in a year regardless of how many you have.. It will always be equal. Try again. You don't even need to show how many likes each person has? Its just for the postbit to show who liked each post etc. Since you seem to have brought up the fact that people will see how many likes people get etc brings me to believe that the only reason you're fighting this is because the amount of rep power you have gives you a big fat raging hard on.


"Nothing to do with jen" when she told me herself that she got you to -rep him.. but ok continue lying if you like. Thats hardly "nothing to do with her" if you -repped him in a post directed her because she asked you to. God you're and idiot (waits for you to report me lol)



You called her an idiot first?!?!? Even if you didn't youre very very hostile in this thread towards anyone who doesn't agree with you. Maybe you should put the time and effort your putting fighting your point in this thread into a finding a job?!?! Just an idea lol.


Sorry but if you look at some of the people who voted for the rep option you will see a lot of them are events hosts who are only voting not because they care about rep its because they are too cheap to give out prizes. You will also see around 6 users who have less than 100 posts and 1 rep power which leads me to believe a lot of people are asking their friends to vote. Compared with both like options who have active, well known users who post regularly..


The point about event hosts voting to keep rep is slightly pointless since it's pretty much agreed that rep is a pointless prize and that it should be tokens given out instead. Clearly that wouldn't matter if it was a rep system or like system in place.
As for newer members voting, can't every other option have the same thing happening? Does that mean people want to start having restrictions on who can vote? Seems like people are just trying to doctor the results in their favour :P

[sex]

trying to play TTT here..

You can give your friends for no reason but it'll typically be pointless rep and can be removed if the person in charge can be bothered doing so, it's also limited in how often you can do so (once a week etc), just because you use rep for a different purpose than it's meant doesn't mean everyone does.. I know myself half my comments are thanks for helping them in tech etc, or people agreeing with me.

Rep power doesn't show people are well liked, pretty sure FJ said in the thread he's one of highest rep powers and not many people like him.. and that's how reps meant to work.. the people with more constructive posts/been here longer generally get higher rep so they have higher power to give out to other people.

I don't usually complain about rep, the system may be abused but it's a hell of a lot less flawed than the like system would be.

No, you should have a cooldown period between reps, if you think that post deserves a rep then you can take note of it and rep when you're next able to do so (as some people do in sigs owe rep to x and x)

So your point is if the system is scaled back, they still get the original points? that's only fair.. they got the points at the time when the system wasn't scaled back it would be stupid to go through every rep and change to the new scaled back number... No-ones saying to scale it back though, the majority decision is to leave it alone. So that's not even an issue thats being brought up?

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just because people cba arguing for a system that you've already said has been completely rejected and is definitely not happening doesn't mean their vote is invalid.

if it's said it's definitely not happening then why should people argue to keep it.. just wasting their time

Yes tom isn't like by many but he is still liked by a lot of people here regardless of what he says. It not exactly hard to go up a rep power, he was liked years ago and that's where he got his rep. The reasons is so high is because the requirements to go up a rep power where changed and people were allowed to give more rep. People who aren't like dont have high rep power (Okneous is an example hes in the red) If you look at toms post they aren't really deserving of rep anymore lol..

[wixard]

Do you not see what you're saying? You're saying that all the people that voted for your option definitely wanted your option. But all the people that voted for the option that is winning (Which may I add is not my option/opinion) definitely didn't think about what they were doing, and probably meant to click another option.

And just because people don't post doesn't mean they don't care. Fair enough if they don't vote.

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The point about event hosts voting to keep rep is slightly pointless since it's pretty much agreed that rep is a pointless prize and that it should be tokens given out instead. Clearly that wouldn't matter if it was a rep system or like system in place.
As for newer members voting, can't every other option have the same thing happening? Does that mean people want to start having restrictions on who can vote? Seems like people are just trying to doctor the results in their favour :P

but that's not what i'm saying at all... there are people like cerys in the last thread who said she wanted to keep rep then when she realised about the like system being integrated she changed her mind? i'm saying these people might not be informed of what the like system could actually bring or what it would be like if we used it, which is exactly what we're posting about now to try inform them and maybe they'd like to change their mind? fair enough if they don't.

[sex]

Do you not see what you're saying? You're saying that all the people that voted for your option definitely wanted your option. But all the people that voted for the option that is winning (Which may I add is not my option/opinion) definitely didn't think about what they were doing, and probably meant to click another option.

And just because people don't post doesn't mean they don't care. Fair enough if they don't vote.

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The point about event hosts voting to keep rep is slightly pointless since it's pretty much agreed that rep is a pointless prize and that it should be tokens given out instead. Clearly that wouldn't matter if it was a rep system or like system in place.
As for newer members voting, can't every other option have the same thing happening? Does that mean people want to start having restrictions on who can vote? Seems like people are just trying to doctor the results in their favour :P

No its not pointless, 90% of events staff don't even read posts on the forum. All it would take is one of them to be say in the skype chat "we will actually have to start giving prizes people vote rep" for them all to do it... Most of them don't even know abou the possibility of tokens as a prize

[Kardan]

but that's not what i'm saying at all... there are people like cerys in the last thread who said she wanted to keep rep then when she realised about the like system being integrated she changed her mind? i'm saying these people might not be informed of what the like system could actually bring or what it would be like if we used it, which is exactly what we're posting about now to try inform them and maybe they'd like to change their mind? fair enough if they don't.

So we should create another poll? Then everyone keeps debating? Then one sides loses and says another thread should be created because of the new arguments made?

People should think before they vote, if they don't, it's their loss. It's a pretty stupid thing to vote before you know what you're voting for.

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No its not pointless, 90% of events staff don't even read posts on the forum. All it would take is one of them to be say in the skype chat "we will actually have to start giving prizes people vote rep" for them all to do it... Most of them don't even know abou the possibility of tokens as a prize

Well, if this was true, you would have a point. But there's no proof for it. I could say that the forum manager is telling his friends to vote for likes because he doesn't want to keep wasting his time removing -reps and wants his system implemented despite what the forum wants.

[wixard]

So we should create another poll? Then everyone keeps debating? Then one sides loses and says another thread should be created because of the new arguments made?

People should think before they vote, if they don't, it's their loss. It's a pretty stupid thing to vote before you know what you're voting for.

i don't know if you've forgotten but this is fansite forum about habbo hotel which is aimed at preteens.
our demograph is probably averaging at 12-15 right now, i doubt any of them really care that much
it's not exactly an important vote or an important poll is it
i personally don't think the poll is anything to go by, even if the like system had more votes.

i'm just saying i think it's unfair to completely shoot down the idea when it is going to offer exactly what the rep system offers, yet it's modernised and more user friendly.

[Kardan]

i don't know if you've forgotten but this is fansite forum about habbo hotel which is aimed at preteens.
our demograph is probably averaging at 12-15 right now, i doubt any of them really care that much
it's not exactly an important vote or an important poll is it
i personally don't think the poll is anything to go by, even if the like system had more votes.

i'm just saying i think it's unfair to completely shoot down the idea when it is going to offer exactly what the rep system offers, yet it's modernised and more user friendly.

I would argue that the average age on the forum is definitely not between 12-15, but just like you, I can't prove anything - so we can't really dwell on that point.

And I agree with you here, I wouldn't call this poll a definitive poll. It wasn't created by management, it would probably be helped by having a multiple choice poll (E.g: I picked option 2, but would be happy with option 1) and there's no closing date on this poll. It would also be good to have the pros/cons of each method in the first post, and a message at the top of the forum telling people of the thread.

But that doesn't take away from the fact that at the moment, more people want rep to stay. And you say the like system is more modernised and user friendly. So literally because we'd have a thumbs up and down, rather than a 2 click +rep and a 3 click -rep, it's better?

And everyone keeps saying "You can only rep once a week", you do realise this can be changed if people are that bothered by it?

[FlyingJesus]

you kardan and fj are the only ones actually posting, i don't think others would mind if it got converted to a like system which would benefit EVERYONE.

3 people with thought-out arguments is always better than 50 spouting nonsense. Every single point that claims to be a benefit of the like system has been shot down. Regardless, the people who want things to change all want different changes so 3 people with the same idea is probably a majority tbh


and my last point was that, right now say i gave someone 2 rep a month so 100 rep a month, I could get them up 500 points in 5 month. But if my rep was then scaled down to 20, 2 reps a month would be 60 so they'd get 320 despite the fact before that they'd get 500. A new member would only get my 320 whereas those before the rep scaled down would have a higher advantage because they were getting 50 points at a time from me... SO therefore it'd be unfair on new members. I don't like points and rep power tbh, I think we should be equal and have an indicator as to how often our posts are liked but that's just me. Obviously it's not gonna change but I'm giving my opinion,

What you're saying is totally contradictory, you start by saying how scaling down rep would be unfair (which is true and one of the main reasons a like system would be a joke) but then you say everyone should have equal powers which means a mass scaling down of everyone. Which do you actually want :P


You don't even need to show how many likes each person has? Its just for the postbit to show who liked each post etc.

If that's all you're after then all that needs to be done is change the way that rep is displayed on posts rather than scrap the entire thing and bring in a whole new system. Got no problem with that being done, but other people are looking for bigger changes which make no sense at all


Yes tom isn't like by many but he is still liked by a lot of people here regardless of what he says.

What really lol who



Also what's this about Scott -repping me for Jen? Just looked through all my rep and he has never in the history of Habbox -repped me even though we're obv not exactly bum chums so...

[buttons]

What you're saying is totally contradictory, you start by saying how scaling down rep would be unfair (which is true and one of the main reasons a like system would be a joke) but then you say everyone should have equal powers which means a mass scaling down of everyone. Which do you actually want :P






Also what's this about Scott -repping me for Jen? Just looked through all my rep and he has never in the history of Habbox -repped me even though we're obv not exactly bum chums so...
i only point out about scaling because it was one of options in poll? (By that I thought it meant make it harder to go up rep power) I want like system with no rep points or power, just individual likes, including the rep you already got shown. does that make sense? only the number of reps uve been given would be shown rather than the amount of points but tbh we aren't going to get it, just nice to hear two sides of story espec for people who don't know about like system, I'm not forcing anyone to say they want a like system or w.e just saying why I think itd be be nice

And THANK U only time ive asked scott to rep someone was crazylemurs coz everyone was -repping him n I felt bad for him so either mistaking me for someone else or something completely diff

is it poss to show individual rep under rep power at least seein as nt gna get like system

[thms]

poops all over thread

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[FlyingJesus]

i only point out about scaling because it was one of options in poll? (By that I thought it meant make it harder to go up rep power) I want like system with no rep points or power, just individual likes, including the rep you already got shown. does that make sense? only the number of reps uve been given would be shown rather than the amount of points but tbh we aren't going to get it, just nice to hear two sides of story espec for people who don't know about like system, I'm not forcing anyone to say they want a like system or w.e just saying why I think itd be be nice

And THANK U only time ive asked scott to rep someone was crazylemurs coz everyone was -repping him n I felt bad for him so either mistaking me for someone else or something completely diff

is it poss to show individual rep under rep power at least seein as nt gna get like system

Oh I seeeeeee and yeah if that could be done it might be a nice compromise, be like Rep Power: 34 (812) or something idk how many reps 34 power would be really but yeah. The system must know the numbers already somewhere since we have the whole rep history on our userCP


poops all over thread

Bit like pooing on a mountain of poo at this point tbh

[Mr-Trainor]

either way it's being used as an example of why the rep system is outdated and can be abused

i don't really care that much the only reason I posted again was because you were being a completely moronic **** in your posts Scott, with no respect for anyone else so I decided to step in. FYI, there are more of us actively posting in the thread for the like system than against

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oh my god are you blind or just plain ignorant? we've listed multiple reasons for it to be beneficial yet you keep focusing on one and pretending we've mentioned nothing else. also warping it into some bizarre reason we never said like 'less hassle for moderators' no... we never said that.
Agreed.. the same people keep asking to see benefits which I've already listed twice and I'm sure pthers have too!


I want like system with the amount of reps u have converted into likes, surely the amount of your posts that have been liked is more important than the amount of points you've been given seeing as power is unequal. just seems like people want rep because they get lots of power n points even if they haven't actually had that much individual likes so rep system isn't really fair. yes with likes u can just like all ur friends posts but u can do that with rep already, at least with like it'll be more obvious if they're doing it to get their friends likes up (which would be pointless as it goes up 1 point at a time) soz if this doesn't make sense im still drunk, I think both system have their flaws but likes is obviously fairer as not one person has more power over another

but appaz only 13 of us or so want that so doubt it'll happen, just think like system is more modern and fair

o n another point about rep being unfair is fact it's changed so much times that someone could get 50 points from me then if my rep gets lowered to 20 or so then they only get 20 next time, makes it unfair for new members because some people here have been getting 50 in the past but they can only get 20.. So would be harder for them TO CAtch up..
In reply to the bold; it definitely is.
As for being unfair for new members, it'd actually be fairer because rep power would be capped making it possible for new users to actually reach the highest status. The same way new users can reach the highest level of the user ranks (Habbox God) even if it would take a while.


Power isn't meant to be equal, someone who's been here for 8 years and posted constructively/positively for those years should have more power/points to give than someone who's been here 2 months with 100 posts..

You can't infinitely rep with the current system as you have a wait period and a rep other user period (unless that's changed), you have to wait a week and rep 10-20 other people before you can rep the same person again. So at very least you're waiting the cooldown period (1 week?) so you can give what 51 rep in a week, with the like system you can give that in a day..

With rep no one person has 'power' over another, they have different rep power yes but not one person has the max power and no-one else near..



I don't get your last point, if someones rep is 50 then the system changes to reduce it to 20 they now get 20? Well obviously it's not going to go through every rep given and reduce the points.. but yeah the rep power isn't an issue, it's easier for people to gain rep points now than it was before due to rep inflation if you wish to name it that, before we were getting what 5-15 points per rep, now you're getting 20-70? It's a lot easier to get points now than it was previously, so stating that as a flaw with the current system as users have a hard time catching up is just utter crap.

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People are capable of reading the forums without being instructed to, I've never mentioned the forum to her, as you can see from her post she noticed it and told me lol only reason I came on the forum to reply..

Okay then why am I wasting my time if it's definitely not changing then, back to TTT.
So are you claiming it's fair that some users might have 75x the rep power of some other users? If a user -reps a user with their 1 rep power and the person they -repped had a 75 rep power and -reps them back.. is that fair because 'Power isn't meant to be equal' and they should have more power?


but your rep points and power isn't an indication of how constructively you've posted because you can give your friends rep for no reason, not for constructive posts. people say they've earned rep when i know ive given them like 400 or so of their points just because i wanted to comment something to them which may not even be relevant to that post or even the forum... i rep people to comment on a post they've written instead of posting because id be off topic so rly im giving them rep for nothing.

I don't believe people should have power to show they're well liked or whatever because it's not always the case, plus your like meter will show how popular your posts are? n let's be honest, the amount of power you get for your time here and posts you've made isn't that much. rep power isn't fair, just coz ive got lots of rep points doesn't mean ive got more likeable posts than a person with smaller rep points, they might have more individual reps than i do, it's just that they've been given rep by people with less power than me. plus the fact u have to spread means they might miss out getting rep because someone needs to spread n thus they get less rep than they deserve.

also funny how ppl are constantly complaining about the rep system, how -reps get removed, the system gets abused, u can't -rep ur full points etc but once your rep power and points are in jeopardy everyone is keen to save the rep system lol.

And ur point with the spreading to rep, isn't that a negative? shouldn't u be allowed to like any post u want rather than wait a week to rep pne post even tho u want to rep many posts? ive tried to rep graham twice because I liked two posts but I can't cause I already repped him last week n then ill only be able to rep one post so with like system ud get all the posts u want liked and would be better for everyone because it'd be better indication of how much people like your posts.
Agreed with this.



But that doesn't take away from the fact that at the moment, more people want rep to stay. And you say the like system is more modernised and user friendly. So literally because we'd have a thumbs up and down, rather than a 2 click +rep and a 3 click -rep, it's better?
We've already listed the benefits of reforming the rep system to resemble a like system and you already know there's more benefits than less clicks :P.

[Matthew]

Gonna go ahead and close this now, its all going in circles now anyway. Thanks for the discussion everyone (A) (A) (A)

[Rachel]

But there is 1 thing why I like the Like system is that people doesn't give you rude - reps and pointless - reps

Many fansites I have seen has the " Like System" and everyone likes it :)

[Kardan]

But there is 1 thing why I like the Like system is that people doesn't give you rude - reps and pointless - reps

Many fansites I have seen has the " Like System" and everyone likes it :)

You're right, you can't give rude pointless -reps with a like system, you give rude/pointless dislikes :)

[Rachel]

You're right, you can't give rude pointless -reps with a like system, you give rude/pointless dislikes :)

Having a like & dislike hmmmm

[Shar]

I don't know...I wouldn't mind either way to be honest.

[wixard]

You're right, you can't give rude pointless -reps with a like system, you give rude/pointless dislikes :)

nobody is saying to have a like/dislike system, just likes

[geo]

cant we just get an easier rep system that is like likes, shows who repped and makes repping easier so theres a way 2 do it with one click
or just a way so people like FJ and all those with high reps are able to keep what they've earned so far but transfer them into the like system
i do prefer rep (because i'm used to it and people have earned it and idk it's kinda unfair but i wouldnt have sleepless nights over it) but i can't see why likes would be such an awful thing as long as it's fair to everyone and old scores are transferred

i like the idea of -rep / dislike though because some people are idiots and need 2 be TOLD
but then again we could just reply to them
so just liking/+repping would be good, could also mean more posts rather than just you're an idiot in -rep people could give responses
although if they tend to be an idiot all the time then maybe they should have less rep
then again they'll receive less likes so it doesnt really matter

i just argued w myself i'm aware of it but yes

[AgnesIO]

shows who repped

Nope, that is a VIP feature.

[Kardan]

nobody is saying to have a like/dislike system, just likes

Ahh, so if we were to change systems, we'd have to have another poll on whether to include dislikes :P

[Rachel]

Ahh, so if we were to change systems, we'd have to have another poll on whether to include dislikes :P

That is a good point

[AgnesIO]

Ahh, so if we were to change systems, we'd have to have another poll on whether to include dislikes :P

and we all love polls...

[scottish]

pretty sure it's already been said it's not going to happen.

[wixard]

oh no another option in the poll how TERRIBLE

[mrwoooooooo]

high five IceNineKills; look at these pathetic losers crying about points on the internet

[AgnesIO]

high five IceNineKills; look at these pathetic losers crying about points on the internet

I guess we could look at the pathetic losers who can't resist coming back to a forum full of such pathetic losers.

Sent from my HTC One X

[mrwoooooooo]

I guess we could look at the pathetic losers who can't resist coming back to a forum full of such pathetic losers.

Sent from my HTC One X

Stay on topic please.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

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[GoldenMerc]

high five IceNineKills; look at these pathetic losers crying about points on the internet

why have you got 0 rep power now hahaha

[Kardan]

why have you got 0 rep power now hahaha

Forum management reduce rep abusers' rep power to 0. So it could be that?

[GoldenMerc]

Forum management reduce rep abusers' rep power to 0. So it could be that?

Could be why he stop caring also :o

[xxMATTGxx]

Forum management reduce rep abusers' rep power to 0. So it could be that?


Could be why he stop caring also :o

Yeah it occurs when a user has been banned from using the reputation system due to abuse and other various reasons.

[AgnesIO]

Yeah it occurs when a user has been banned from using the reputation system due to abuse and other various reasons.

Not sure why branding someone a paedo and pointless -repping is considered abuse of the rep system :S

[xxMATTGxx]

Not sure why branding someone a paedo and pointless -repping is considered abuse of the rep system :S

Are you being sarcastic here? :P

[wixard]

just another reason to get rid of -rep


oh and implement a like system instead :) :) :) :) :) :)

[AgnesIO]

Are you being sarcastic here? :P

No, I think the discrimination against utter fools is totally uncalled for.

Yes ;[

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just another reason to get rid of -rep


oh and implement a like system instead :) :) :) :) :) :)

http://gamefob.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/what-meme.png

What is the point of replacing a used system with one that has less meaning. I like meaning.

[wixard]

if they're going to disable the rep of people who -rep other people, what actually is the point of a -rep system?
especially now you can post the -rep you receive to 'publically shame' the users that give it out?

i think that's more pointless than a like system

[AgnesIO]

if they're going to disable the rep of people who -rep other people, what actually is the point of a -rep system?
especially now you can post the -rep you receive to 'publically shame' the users that give it out?

i think that's more pointless than a like system

You have missed the point.

Rep has been disabled for people who just -rep people for the sake of it - not because of their post content etc

[wixard]

You have missed the point.

Rep has been disabled for people who just -rep people for the sake of it - not because of their post content etc

i really haven't missed the point at all, i understand that's why it's been disabled but the majority of -rep that gets given out is either revenge rep, or if someone disagrees with a post. so many people will then pm someone asking to remove the -rep they got because it's ''pointless" and then it gets removed

what makes a -rep valid? what's the point in having it if people can just get it removed

[AgnesIO]

i really haven't missed the point at all, i understand that's why it's been disabled but the majority of -rep that gets given out is either revenge rep, or if someone disagrees with a post. so many people will then pm someone asking to remove the -rep they got because it's ''pointless" and then it gets removed

what makes a -rep valid? what's the point in having it if people can just get it removed

Well it is supposed to be used to disagreeing with a post, or for bad content etc. Not just because you feel like being a ****.

[wixard]

Well it is supposed to be used to disagreeing with a post, or for bad content etc. Not just because you feel like being a ****.

if you disagree with a post why not just reply to it and explain why you disagree with it instead of anonymously -repping the post and saying 'dumb' or 'stupid' or 'idiot' which seems to be what most -reps consist of

[AgnesIO]

if you disagree with a post why not just reply to it and explain why you disagree with it instead of anonymously -repping the post and saying 'dumb' or 'stupid' or 'idiot' which seems to be what most -reps consist of

Or do both.

None of my -rep comments are ever one word comments like that lol

[scottish]

I think the fact that rep is now allowed to be posted is the flaw, not the -rep system.

No idea why it was removed as it was obvious it's going to be abused to target people who -rep them.

and they don't disable peoples rep for -repping, only if they seriously abuse it like hell.

[Kardan]

if they're going to disable the rep of people who -rep other people, what actually is the point of a -rep system?
especially now you can post the -rep you receive to 'publically shame' the users that give it out?

i think that's more pointless than a like system

So because one user abuses the system the whole system should be removed? We best remove tokens/post count etc. And when the like system comes out, shall I like every single post so that system gets removed? :P

It's also worth noting that the person abusing the rep system is against it anyway.

[IceNineKills]

high five @IceNineKills (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=50417); look at these pathetic losers crying about points on the internet

i never get repped anyway so nobody is going to +like my posts or whatever so both are useless to me.