Breaking News: is this the end of fansites, goodbye Habbox?

[Okeanos]

The esteemed habbo rights campaigner Okeanos has learned that his efforts to stop fansites taking monetary donations from its users moved a significant step forward today. After speaking with staff members and campaigning for months to end fansites collecting money from people, I can now exclusively reveal that all fansites have received an email telling them to immediately stop accepting money from their users. Can fansites survive without this income? Will Habbox go the same way as ClubHabbo? :O:O:O Who knows.

[lucaskf390]

I dont think habbox will close, donations arent bills, is a service with a product

[Inseriousity.]

You were alright at habbonation, when did you turn into an ass?

[Okeanos]

You were alright at habbonation, when did you turn into an ass?

whats that supposed to mean? sorry if i object to fansites taking money from habbos, i can have an opinion cant i?

[xxMATTGxx]

You do realise no one is forced to donate to Habbox or other fansites? I don't see what your problem is but you have pretty much ruined all fansites now and in the future. Donations help towards the costs of the hosting of the websites and help us buy credits which go back into the community for you to win.

[Inseriousity.]

Sure you can but 'esteemed habbo rights campaigner' makes you look like an ass. only my opinion too ofc!
As for fansites taking money, they aren't taking money. Habbos are donating money and they have every right to do what they wish with their own money. If fansites were making thousands of pounds of profit then I'd understand your objection but as the money is used to keep things going (Habbox makes a loss atm out of Jin and Sierk's own pocket), it means you've took this campaign to shut fansites down so we're back to making you look like an ass.

[RyRy]

Now my chances of being Habbox staff are well and truly shot! :'(

I assume this only applies to official fan sites?

[Jin]

This also means that you have ****** over any charity that would have benefited from our VIP sale in December...


whats that supposed to mean? sorry if i object to fansites taking money from habbos, i can have an opinion cant i?

To have an opinion is one thing, to then spear head a campaign to that challenges the masses on an opinion that solely you and a few other misguided fools hold is another.

This is what Anders Brevik did.

[Jack!]

The esteemed habbo rights campaigner Okeanos has learned that his efforts to stop fansites taking monetary donations from its users moved a significant step forward today. After speaking with staff members and campaigning for months to end fansites collecting money from people, I can now exclusively reveal that all fansites have received an email telling them to immediately stop accepting money from their users. Can fansites survive without this income? Will Habbox go the same way as ClubHabbo? :O:O:O Who knows.

You sir, are an ass, with an attitude like that I can tell you are going to get very far in life.

[sexpot]

how can you be a habbo rights campaigner if you want to take away habbos rights to donate money to fansites? lol

some people's children

[Okeanos]

Sure you can but 'esteemed habbo rights campaigner' makes you look like an ass. only my opinion too ofc!
As for fansites taking money, they aren't taking money. Habbos are donating money and they have every right to do what they wish with their own money. If fansites were making thousands of pounds of profit then I'd understand your objection but as the money is used to keep things going (Habbox makes a loss atm out of Jin and Sierk's own pocket), it means you've took this campaign to shut fansites down so we're back to making you look like an ass.

it was only a joke. sheesh! it might just be a coincidence that this happened after i spoke to powertoo about fansites taking money from users. my disagreeing with that is a perfectly legitimate position to take by the way.

[RyRy]

it was only a joke. sheesh! it might just be a coincidence that this happened after i spoke to powertoo about fansites taking money from users. my disagreeing with that is a perfectly legitimate position to take by the way.

Do you know if this applies to unofficial fan sites?!?!

[Red]

*REMOVED* He has always been against fansites and campaining for months.... really lol. I'm sure fansites can come together to find a way to overturn this. If we give up our official status can we continue on accepting donations?

Edited by Samanfa (Forum Moderator): Please do not be rude to other members!

[Jin]

it was only a joke. sheesh! it might just be a coincidence that this happened after i spoke to powertoo about fansites taking money from users. my disagreeing with that is a perfectly legitimate position to take by the way.

Why do you keep saying taking away?

The difference between a donator and non-donator is an Avatar Size and colour of username. In terms of content or anything else it is the same there is no difference in service it is all aesthetic.

It's not like we force or manipulate for donations for instance only allowing you to post 5 times a day before demanding you upgrade...

Furthermore.

$315USD is our monthly running cost.

About £18 -25 is what we might get from donator in a month. That money is used to fund credits for competitions.

[Okeanos]

Do you know if this applies to unofficial fan sites?!?!

i have no idea. ask mattg he will know more about it than me.


This also means that you have ****** over any charity that would have benefited from our VIP sale in December...

To have an opinion is one thing, to then spear head a campaign to that challenges the masses on an opinion that solely you and a few other misguided fools hold is another.

This is what Anders Brevik did.

if people want to give money to charity then they can do so without buying habbox donator. i didn't spear head any campaign (it was a joke!) but im not sorry this has happened.

[Inseriousity.]

If powertoo still holds fansite meetings perhaps its an opportunity then for matt and the other fansite reps to defend themselves against a stupid argument. You still haven't really said how fansites take money from users. They're donations! I'd be curious to see the impact of fansites closing down on Habbo's profits though.

[xxMATTGxx]

If powertoo still holds fansite meetings perhaps its an opportunity then for matt and the other fansite reps to defend themselves against a stupid argument. You still haven't really said how fansites take money from users. They're donations! I'd be curious to see the impact of fansites closing down on Habbo's profits though.

We are waiting for a reply to the email we have sent after they sent us an email asking us to remove the payments.php page.

[RyRy]

If powertoo still holds fansite meetings perhaps its an opportunity then for matt and the other fansite reps to defend themselves against a stupid argument. You still haven't really said how fansites take money from users. They're donations! I'd be curious to see the impact of fansites closing down on Habbo's profits though.

I think somebody's had a knee jerk up at the HQ. I'd be surprised if this decision actually took effect.

[Okeanos]

If powertoo still holds fansite meetings perhaps its an opportunity then for matt and the other fansite reps to defend themselves against a stupid argument. You still haven't really said how fansites take money from users. They're donations! I'd be curious to see the impact of fansites closing down on Habbo's profits though.

i dont suppose it will have any impact on their profits lol. i disagree with 'donator' because it means there is a possibility that fansite owners can make a profit (im not saying they do, but the possibility is there and im sure in the past habbox has made a profit). fansites were told years ago to stop selling VIP, i dont see how donator is any different.

[lawrawrrr]

>taking money from users
>taking money from users
>taking money from users

literally no, it's the user's choice to donate the money, at no point have habbox EVER charged for services. Noone, i repeat NOONE, is forced to give money.

[GoldenMerc]

& thats why the bad guy always wins.

Absolutely pathetic.

[Inseriousity.]

I doubt many older members of Habbo would spend time (and money on creds) there if it weren't for fansites so I think it'd make a dent in their profits. Any legitimate fansite will never make a profit because if they did, the money they'd make would be re-invested back into the community they serve.

[sex]

This also means that you have ****** over any charity that would have benefited from our VIP sale in December...



To have an opinion is one thing, to then spear head a campaign to that challenges the masses on an opinion that solely you and a few other misguided fools hold is another.

This is what Anders Brevik did.

*REMOVED*

Edited by Samanfa (Forum Moderator): Please do not target/be rude to other members.

[karter]

This is so unfair. Like everyone said.. no one is being forced to give money. I haven't donated to Habbox till now and same with a lot of users. If Habbo is really going to go ahead with this decision, they better look at themselves for once because they try to shove down credit offers, exclusive memberships and furniture items for money and the users who don't pay get ads, a limited catalogue and limited features that ruins the gameplay so much that it practically forces the user to pay.

Meanwhile Habbox donates to charities every Christmas and gives the users donor subscriptions.

[RyRy]

Do you think Okeanos; realizes that by gloating about his "victory" against Habbo fansites, he's indirectly started a campaign against the changes, changes that us users probably weren't to know about, and thus will sooner or later be reverted back due to the sheer resistance they're about to face.

Was it worth the 15 minutes of fame?

[lawrawrrr]

Just for reference, Habbox has donated a total of £3415.26 for 11 different charities - full table & info here (http://habboxwiki.com/Habbox_Charity_Work)

[Okeanos]

*REMOVED*

you know, throwing around insults is one thing but bringing up anders breivik is just petty and cruel. what does this have to do with him? this just shows what people on habbox are like.
btw im applying to UCL and Edinburgh, when i get my offers you will have to eat your words. vive l'éducation en ligne, vive l'université Open!


Do you think @Okeanos (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=35609); realizes that by gloating about his "victory" against Habbo fansites, he's indirectly started a campaign against the changes, changes that us users probably weren't to know about, and thus will sooner or later be reverted back due to the sheer resistance they're about to face.

Was it worth the 15 minutes of fame?

victory lol. if it makes you feel better by thinking this is somehow all down to me and that habbo staff don't really want to do this then by all means go ahead. of course you will argue against it and i daresay sulake may back down, they have before after all. i hope they dont though.
15 mins of fame? hun i was already famous. +**+*

[Yawn]

nnnnn not comparing him to a mass murderer

http://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/88/56/c01043c49da4bc3bbd16f1d678dcd5a9-how-to-walk-it-off-like-a-boss.gif

[sex]

you know, throwing around insults is one thing but bringing up anders brivik is just petty and cruel. what does this have to do with him? this just shows what people on habbox are like.
btw im applying to UCL and Edinburgh, when i get my offers you will have to eat your words. vive l'éducation en ligne, vive l'université Open!

I quoted jin i didnt bring him up.... maybe learn to read lol
thats probably one of the reasons you didn't get into uni

whatever youre still doing online classes! :)

[Inseriousity.]

Do you think @Okeanos (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=35609); realizes that by gloating about his "victory" against Habbo fansites, he's indirectly started a campaign against the changes, changes that us users probably weren't to know about, and thus will sooner or later be reverted back due to the sheer resistance they're about to face.

Was it worth the 15 minutes of fame?

lol you've been in that student union too long!

[RyRy]

victory lol. if it makes you feel better by thinking this is somehow all down to me and that habbo staff don't really want to do this then by all means go ahead. of course you will argue against it and i daresay sulake may back down, they have before after all. i hope they dont though.
15 mins of fame? hun i was already famous. +**+*

I'd take you serously if you came on here to inform us of the changes, but instead you've come on with a "rub-it-in-your-faces" attitude that these types of changes are going to be made, and that you're happy for it because you dislike fansites. From when you first posted this thread, you've automatically come in and thought of it as a positive for all fansites.

You're allowed your opinions, comparing you to Anders Breivik is ******* sick and those people who have compared you to that are bonkers. I'm not disagreeing that Habbo Staff have decided to do this, but I'm disagreeing that they thought of it off their own back.

[Sian]

wow, if this is actually happening I hope powertoo takes the time to talk to official fansite owners to find out why they need those donation and how none of us are even asked to fund the sites. We donate mainly to help keep a fansite community going, and happen to get a few perks as a thankyou.

Also, you can't really compare it to clubhabbo (you're probably just saying habbox will close, but clubhabbo was completely free to run by the end of it).

[RyRy]

wow, if this is actually happening I hope powertoo takes the time to talk to official fansite owners to find out why they need those donation and how none of us are even asked to fund the sites. We donate mainly to help keep a fansite community going, and happen to get a few perks as a thankyou.

Also, you can't really compare it to clubhabbo (you're probably just saying habbox will close, but clubhabbo was completely free to run by the end of it).

Clubhabbo closed because Ryan lost interest in it, he got the hosting for free the entire time and thus didn't depend on donations. The donations that were given to him went directly into his coffers... SITE MANAGER 2K11

[Sian]

Clubhabbo closed because Ryan lost interest in it, he got the hosting for free the entire time and thus didn't depend on donations. The donations that were given to him went directly into his coffers... SITE MANAGER 2K11

that's true. Went on his dominos I swear :p

but yeh, so ****.

[jorsian]

I highly doubt Habbox will stop earning income in SOME form, whether it be sponsors, ads or VIP purchases. I'm sure this will all blow over once people realize how ridiculous it is. Habbox does not TAKE money from people, they simply ASK for it. It's up to members to choose whether they want to donate or not.

[mrwoooooooo]

hahahahahaha

Edited by Samanfa (Forum Moderator): Please do not post pointlessly!

[Okeanos]

I'd take you serously if you came on here to inform us of the changes, but instead you've come on with a "rub-it-in-your-faces" attitude that these types of changes are going to be made, and that you're happy for it because you dislike fansites. From when you first posted this thread, you've automatically come in and thought of it as a positive for all fansites.

You're allowed your opinions, comparing you to Anders Breivik is ******* sick and those people who have compared you to that are bonkers. I'm not disagreeing that Habbo Staff have decided to do this, but I'm disagreeing that they thought of it off their own back.

i dont care if you take me seriously or not. i thought it was a funny bit of news so i thought id make a funny post about it. this isnt the BBC, we dont have to be impartial.

[Cerys]

Loving how you seem to be *thrilled* and *excited* about this lovely change. Did you really expect to come on here practically showing off about how you've got this change and expect none of us to fight back?

It's quite silly imo

[Okeanos]

Loving how you seem to be *thrilled* and *excited* about this lovely change. Did you really expect to come on here practically showing off about how you've got this change and expect none of us to fight back?

It's quite silly imo

i dont think i did get/cause this change, i have already said the original post was a joke (if you took it seriously then thats your problem). i dont know if my talking to staff about fansites receiving money from their users caused this, i suspect not.

[RyRy]

i dont care if you take me seriously or not. i thought it was a funny bit of news so i thought id make a funny post about it. this isnt the BBC, we dont have to be impartial.

What's funny about donations being taken away? People who want to run these types of sites have to pay out of their own pockets (even further than what they probably were already doing).

"HAR HAR HAR I BET THEIR BANK BALANCES LOOK LESS THAN THEY DID BEFOREHAND HAR HAR HAR"

Comical, in stitches. NOPE.

[DPS]

R.I.P HabboxForum sorry to see you go.

[Hidden]

Basically this happened because of me, I argued with powertoo over it and she said it was acceptable. I went to WaltzMatilda and she investigated it... then i had to send her the links of every fansite donator page:

Dear what is probably WaltzMatilda, here is the list of fansites donator pages. I hope this helps you out.
Habbox:
http://www.habboxforum.com/payments.php
HabboHeights:
http://habboheights.net/forum/misc.php?do=donate
HabboHut:
http://www.habbohutforum.com/payments.php
FlyHabbo:
http://www.flyhabboforum.net/payments.php
HabbCrazy:
http://www.habbcrazyforum.net/payments.php
HFFM:
http://www.hffmforum.co.uk/payments.php
HabboKingdom:
http://www.habbokingdomforum.co.uk/payments.php




Hello,
Thanks for contacting us with your report.
We appreciate that you took the time to send us your comments and we will make sure that the relevant department reads them and act upon them as soon as possible. Should we need any more information, we will get back to you.
Best,
Kate
Customer Support - http://www.habbo.com (http://www.habbo.com/)




November 06, 2013 03:02

[Jin]

i dont suppose it will have any impact on their profits lol. i disagree with 'donator' because it means there is a possibility that fansite owners can make a profit (im not saying they do, but the possibility is there and im sure in the past habbox has made a profit). fansites were told years ago to stop selling VIP, i dont see how donator is any different.

The difference was that VIP was a method of selling Habbo IP.

* Exclusive habbo avatars.
* Hidden Habbo Content
etc etc.

Effectively people were basically selling extra Habbo gear in the form of VIP which infringes Sulakes intellectual property rights.

A coloured name and larger avatar does not do any of these things. Notice how we don't really advertise it either or send emails to non-donators offering these benefits. We aren't here to turn a profit and any profit that was made still sits in the Habbox bank account for times when we dont break even or for upgrades.


I highly doubt Habbox will stop earning income in SOME form, whether it be sponsors, ads or VIP purchases. I'm sure this will all blow over once people realize how ridiculous it is. Habbox does not TAKE money from people, they simply ASK for it. It's up to members to choose whether they want to donate or not.

We don't really ask for it either.

Whichever way this goes it will mean changes to our fundraising tactics.

[Okeanos]

Basically this happened because of me, I argued with powertoo over it and she said it was acceptable. I went to WaltzMatilda and she investigated it... then i had to send her the links of every fansite donator page:

Dear what is probably WaltzMatilda, here is the list of fansites donator pages. I hope this helps you out.
Habbox:
http://www.habboxforum.com/payments.php
HabboHeights:
http://habboheights.net/forum/misc.php?do=donate
HabboHut:
http://www.habbohutforum.com/payments.php
FlyHabbo:
http://www.flyhabboforum.net/payments.php
HabbCrazy:
http://www.habbcrazyforum.net/payments.php
HFFM:
http://www.hffmforum.co.uk/payments.php
HabboKingdom:
http://www.habbokingdomforum.co.uk/payments.php




Hello,
Thanks for contacting us with your report.
We appreciate that you took the time to send us your comments and we will make sure that the relevant department reads them and act upon them as soon as possible. Should we need any more information, we will get back to you.
Best,
Kate
Customer Support - http://www.habbo.com (http://www.habbo.com/)

November 06, 2013 03:02

yeah this is all your fault!!! :(:(:@ lols why am i getting the blame?

[Hidden]

Put it this way, they are called FANsites, youre a fan of the main site which means owning 1 is 100% optional and they aren't forcing you to create a fansite. So moaning about "money to run it" is not even a point. If you are a real FANsite you would be paying it because you want to run it to enjoy things and help the main site.

[karter]

'famous. +**+*'

'habbo rights campaigner'

http://media.tumblr.com/391bc4dfe990fd8ad95918782221d609/tumblr_inline_mr8lw2fAOq1qz4rgp.jpg

Edited by Samanfa (Forum Moderator): Please do not post pointlessly!

[Okeanos]

'famous. +**+*'

'habbo rights campaigner'

dont get your panties in a twist kromium, some of us do not take habbo seriously and so like to make jokes.

[Inseriousity.]

Put it this way, they are called FANsites, youre a fan of the main site which means owning 1 is 100% optional and they aren't forcing you to create a fansite. So moaning about "money to run it" is not even a point. If you are a real FANsite you would be paying it because you want to run it to enjoy things and help the main site.

Habbox is making a loss yet Jin/Sierk (does sierk still pay?) continue to pay out of their own pocket without cutting down on what Habbox provides. Other fansite admins/owners do the same so I don't think it's moaning to try to keep the losses down.

[RyRy]

Put it this way, they are called FANsites, youre a fan of the main site which means owning 1 is 100% optional and they aren't forcing you to create a fansite. So moaning about "money to run it" is not even a point. If you are a real FANsite you would be paying it because you want to run it to enjoy things and help the main site.

You posted links to fansite donation pages. I don't think you're the brains behind this operation unfortunately but points for effort! :clap:

Money to run a fansite is totally legitimate, for example:

I am the owner of a fansite forum for a football club. Thousands of people are fans of this football club, but I offer a place where they can come together and chat/discuss football and the teams. I require some help in the hosting payments, and thus I ask the community. The football club does not care. There is nothing wrong with this.

Now lets look at the Habbo fansite scenario

I am the owner of a fansite forum for a online game. Thousands of people play this game, but I offer a place where they can come together and chat/discuss the online game and its users. I require some help in the hosting payments, and thus I ask the community. The online game feels that these fansites should not have help in paying their hosting, and therefore have been told to cease accepting these types of payments. There is something very wrong with this.

Do you see where this idea of cutting the cashflow falls flat on its face? It's as if fansites are paying taxes to Sulake.

[Hidden]

Put it this way, this problem wouldn't be happening if the fansite owners just followed the fansite way. So stop trying to defend the point and just follow the rules like you would any other place.

1.1 Please understand that Habbo vigorously protects the Habbo IP from damaging infringement. However, pursuant to the term of this Policy, Habbo grants all of its Fan Sites the revocable permission to create Fan Sites based on Habbo IP. All Fan Sites must be tasteful (in Habbo’s sole discretion) and have no commercial (monetary) objective. Also, Habbo, in its sole discretion, can terminate and revoke your permission to create and maintain Fan Sites at any time, for any or no reason whatsoever.

[karter]

dont get your panties in a twist kromium, some of us do not take habbo seriously and so like to make jokes.

Too bad you're the joke right now

[Okeanos]

Too bad you're the joke right now

id say grow up, but you are grown up. perhaps if you took a break from habbo and did something else for a bit you might discover a sense of humour.

[lawrawrrr]

Habbox does not make a profit; as Jin has ALREADY SAID, the money received in donations go back into buying credits for competitions and the like, rather than paying for hosting (although it would be nice if the amount was enough to help with this too)

ergo Sulake stand to make a loss.

[RoyalPacific]

I think this thread should be closed personally...

[RyRy]

Put it this way, this problem wouldn't be happening if the fansite owners just followed the fansite way. So stop trying to defend the point and just follow the rules like you would any other place.

1.1 Please understand that Habbo vigorously protects the Habbo IP from damaging infringement. However, pursuant to the term of this Policy, Habbo grants all of its Fan Sites the revocable permission to create Fan Sites based on Habbo IP. All Fan Sites must be tasteful (in Habbo’s sole discretion) and have no commercial (monetary) objective. Also, Habbo, in its sole discretion, can terminate and revoke your permission to create and maintain Fan Sites at any time, for any or no reason whatsoever.

If THAT is the justification of this, it's been twisted to suit your own purpose. The only way fansites could agree to that is to provide a full disclosure of income to the fansite and how the profits cover the costs of the site, and is not used for profit. But I'm sure Sulake haven't even thought of that!

[Okeanos]

I think this thread should be closed personally...

its news, so why should it be closed?

[RoyalPacific]

its news, so why should it be closed?

Because it's turned into a whole argument instead of opinions...

[MKR&*42]

Woops sorry better go close down every single charity around as they're robbing me of money I choose to give them.

The changes will be reverted because so many will complain, so don't know why you're all panicking too much.

[Kyle]

oh dear what a kerfuffle

you are both massive dweebs Hidden; Okeanos;, whatever bs you are spam pming to whichever habbo staff you've managed to latch onto about fansites exploiting their users is not going to have any effect on the (very limited, by the way!) revenue of habboxforum. vip purchasing was removed years ago and donator purchase is well within the guidelines that were set way back when.


id say grow up, but you are grown up. perhaps if you took a break from habbo and did something else for a bit you might discover a sense of humour.
sound advice sam... directed at the wrong person though... honestly get a grip you are a mess!!!!!!!!!!!!! AA

[Hidden]

Charities are putting money to helping people get better in their life, not run a habbo forum. stop being so stupid and follow the rules or **** off

[RyRy]

Woops sorry better go close down every single charity around as they're robbing me of money I choose to give them.

The changes will be reverted because so many will complain, so don't know why you're all panicking too much.

Charities are often declared as NPOs thus they are assessed as not making a profit, and thus wouldn't be affected by this kind of rule (if it were to come into place nationwide haha).

But then it brings up another point, register as a charity and Sulake don't have a leg to stand on.

[lawrawrrr]

but habbox runs an annual charity campaign, these new rules mean that we can't give that money to charities?????

and if it is taken down I will personally send the money I spend on donator to xxMATTGxx;'s house

[MKR&*42]

Charities are often declared as NPOs thus they are assessed as not making a profit, and thus wouldn't be affected by this kind of rule (if it were to come into place nationwide haha).

But then it brings up another point, register as a charity and Sulake don't have a leg to stand on.

I was just trying to make an analogy, not necessarily a perfect one :P

Please do the last thing Matt and I'll laugh so much.

[lawrawrrr]

Charities are often declared as NPOs thus they are assessed as not making a profit, and thus wouldn't be affected by this kind of rule (if it were to come into place nationwide haha).

But then it brings up another point, register as a charity and Sulake don't have a leg to stand on.

I said that earlier to Matt, I've actually genuinely been looking into it!

We'd have to prove that we do something or help in some way which I don't think would be that difficult! We'd probably have to ban all the bullies and trolls though

oh dear

[Okeanos]

oh dear what a kerfuffle

you are both massive dweebs @Hidden (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=88160); @Okeanos (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=35609);, whatever bs you are spam pming to whichever habbo staff you've managed to latch onto about fansites exploiting their users is not going to have any effect on the (very limited, by the way!) revenue of habboxforum. vip purchasing was removed years ago and donator purchase is well within the guidelines that were set way back when.


sound advice sam... directed at the wrong person though... honestly get a grip you are a mess!!!!!!!!!!!!! AA

blah blah blah i duno why youre getting angry at me, staff decided to do this not me. i think what you and others are actually angry about is that me (and others) might actually agree with this. sorry but you cant make everyone agree with you.

[RyRy]

Charities are putting money to helping people get better in their life, not run a habbo forum. stop being so stupid and follow the rules or **** off

Charities are a type of not-for-profit organizaiton, Habbo fansites don't have to be categorized as charities. For example, the Mozilla Foundation:


The Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit organization that promotes openness, innovation and participation on the Internet. We promote the values of an open Internet (http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mission/) to the broader world.Mozilla is best known for the Firefox (http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/fx/)browser, but we advance our mission through other software projects (http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/), grants (http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/grants/) and engagement and education efforts such as Mozilla Webmaker (https://webmaker.org/).
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They do a bit of charity work here and there, but then so do Habbox with their Christmas donation programme. Oh snap buddy!

[Hidden]

Donating to habbox money that WILL g oto charity is 100% different to donating to the main site, oh snap :/

[Kyle]

blah blah blah i duno why youre getting angry at me, staff decided to do this not me. i think what you and others are actually angry about is that me (and others) might actually agree with this. sorry but you cant make everyone agree with you.
lmao

can I ask why you don't think fansites should take donations?

you too Hidden;

[lawrawrrr]

Donating to habbox money that WILL g oto charity is 100% different to donating to the main site, oh snap :/

Yep but without a payments page it would be impossible :)

[RyRy]

Donating to habbox money that WILL g oto charity is 100% different to donating to the main site, oh snap :/

http://www.ukplc.com/company-types/specialist-uk-company/not-for-profit-company.html


A Not for Profit Company is a Private Company Limited by Guarantee and can take 2 forms:

A Charity Company, which dedicates its surplus to “charitable causes”
A Not for Profit Company such as an association, a society or a club

@UK PLC is experienced in setting up charitable or guarantee companies and has developed a selection of specific not for profit packages to suit your needs.

£40, and your proposal to Sulake has been shot down.

Oh snap.

[Inseriousity.]

I don't see how asking for donations means fansites have a monetary objective. The objective of a fansite is to serve the Habbo community. If they were infringing on Habbo's copyright by selling Habbo mugs and t-shirts to make a profit then it'd be a different story but the money donated to them (not taken from them) goes to fulfil the service objective.

[Hidden]

lmao

can I ask why you don't think fansites should take donations?

you too @Hidden (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=88160);

Theres no legit proof that they are using it towards the site every week/month and it's against their set rules.

[karter]

id say grow up, but you are grown up. perhaps if you took a break from habbo and did something else for a bit you might discover a sense of humour.

Apparently calling themselves famous and putting words in asterisks suggests a lovely sense of humour of a person

Sorry to break it to you but I am not the one who spends hours on a game each day, sucking upto staff and discussing my online achievements. This is concerning, you probably need to concentrate more on the online course of yours (unless the course is playing Habbo all day)

[Okeanos]

lmao

can I ask why you don't think fansites should take donations?

you too @Hidden (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=88160);

i have already said why. there is the possibility that the site owner can make a profit (dont bother telling me this doesn't happen, that's not the point - it COULD happen). if a fansite wants to be official and enjoy whatever privileges that come with that it can not imo be seen to be making money for itself. evidently sulake agree.

by the way the idea that habbox or any habbo forum becoming a registered charity is complete nonsense. who would you be helping? you would need an income of over £5k a year to be registered anyway and thats not gonna happen.

[RyRy]

i have already said why. there is the possibility that the site owner can make a profit (dont bother telling me this doesn't happen, that's not the point - it COULD happen). if a fansite wants to be official and enjoy whatever privileges that come with that it can not imo be seen to be making money for itself. evidently sulake agree.

by the way the idea that habbox or any habbo forum becoming a registered charity is complete nonsense. who would you be helping? you would need an income of over £5k a year to be registered anyway and thats not gonna happen.

Just did a bit of searching, can't find any proof to say an NPO would have to generate over £5k a year.

Sure you're not referring to a limited company, or an actual charity which is slightly different with stricter rules, than an NPO?

[sex]

Theres no legit proof that they are using it towards the site every week/month and it's against their set rules.

Well Habbox's running costs have been posted in this thread along with what it earns from donator....... its clear they have to use it towards the site. The money just doesn't come from thin air lol

[RyRy]

Thread: Breaking News: is this the end of fansites, goodbye Habbox?
Comment: incorrect information.
07-11-2013 4:44 PM
Hidden

@Hidden (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=88160);

Care to justify why I'm incorrect, or are you just going to leave a -rep? :)

[Hidden]

Habbo doesn't NEED fansites which is why they are optional. Habbo fansites need HABBO or they wouldn't exist. So put that logic into this and pretty much says Sulake have the final say.

[sex]

Habbo doesn't NEED fansites which is why they are optional. Habbo fansites need HABBO or they wouldn't exist. So put that logic into this and pretty much says Sulake have the final say.

Considering the amount of people who regularly come back to habbo/stay on habbo because of fansites and fansites HOST EVENTS in client which mean the lazy staff dont have to do that many i would say yes, they do need them.

[mrwoooooooo]

Habbo doesn't NEED fansites which is why they are optional. Habbo fansites need HABBO or they wouldn't exist. So put that logic into this and pretty much says Sulake have the final say.

why would habbo not want fansites?

[Hidden]

They don't NEED fansites at all. Habbo started off in 2001 or whatever with no fansites and still managed to grow up to be huge. Then HabboHut etc came. If 'fansites' were so good HabboHut would have so many members because they were the first fansite. Habbo obviously want fansites to help grow the site, but they don't need them.

[David]

We are waiting for a reply to the email we have sent after they sent us an email asking us to remove the payments.php page.

paste their email pls

[karter]

Habbo doesn't NEED fansites which is why they are optional. Habbo fansites need HABBO or they wouldn't exist. So put that logic into this and pretty much says Sulake have the final say.

Habbo is putting up with fansites because a lot of users are playing the game because of them. Fansites are OBVIOUSLY important to them otherwise they won't employ staff to take care of them. Of course it won't shut down if the fansites are gone but they can say goodbye to a lot of potential profit by getting rid of fansites. Also not to forget that the fansites host a lot of events in Habbo

Your argument is flawed and dry, please leave. Thanks.

[RyRy]

They don't NEED fansites at all. Habbo started off in 2001 or whatever with no fansites and still managed to grow up to be huge. Then HabboHut etc came. If 'fansites' were so good HabboHut would have so many members because they were the first fansite. Habbo obviously want fansites to help grow the site, but they don't need them.

Still waiting for you to tell me why I'm providing incorrect information for posting an extract from a website which comes up as the first result on Google when searching for "NPO Registration UK".

They must be selling a lot of people the incorrect information by the sounds of things!

[Hidden]

Habbox give money to charities that help people every season, they use that money for people to get better and hospitals to give treatment and experiment on new products that help the people in the world. All charities help people in 1 way or another no matter what they say. This thread has nothing to do with charities so why are you trying.

[Kyle]

Theres no legit proof that they are using it towards the site every week/month and it's against their set rules.
I don't feel like 'because it's against the rules' is a good enough reason to campaign so hard for removal of donations... you don't follow other rules so closely (you are perm banned for goodness sake!) so I don't see what the big deal about this particular one is. just seems like you're out to upset a few people and rim some staff members. If proof was asked for by sulake then I'm so no fansite owner would have any qualms with providing it, there is no need to eradicate a feature that has helped fansites and the hotel alike for so many years now.


i have already said why. there is the possibility that the site owner can make a profit (dont bother telling me this doesn't happen, that's not the point - it COULD happen). if a fansite wants to be official and enjoy whatever privileges that come with that it can not imo be seen to be making money for itself. evidently sulake agree.
you're being slightly unrealistic here. hosting, domains, vb licenses and all manner of other features are actually rather costly. I don't believe for a second that any fansites with reasonably large userbases just get all of this for free, so where else would donation money go? If habbox (and I don't know about or care to research donations on other sites) were to ask for payment for premium features then I would see your point but right now a donation is a voluntary payment with the intent of helping the site to churn out new content for the individual to enjoy - if the owner is buying meat feast pizzas with that money but the content is still there, why should it matter?


Habbo doesn't NEED fansites which is why they are optional. Habbo fansites need HABBO or they wouldn't exist. So put that logic into this and pretty much says Sulake have the final say.
Well that's just not true is it?!?!? fansites have throughout the history of the hotel provided the foundation for communities to expand and - older sites like habbox and the recently closed clubhabbo especially - retain those who become bored of habbo with the possibility that they may join in again in the future. yes, without habbo the fansites would lack content but without fansites and with habbo being in the state it currently is with no way for people to communicate other than in-client, where would the community go? other games with better communities, probably.

[Kardan]

Hahahaha, you know how sometimes I'm a **** and flirt with the rules of HxF? These guys are like 200 times more pathetic than I usually am :P

So what... In the worst case scenario, Habbox just becomes an unofficial website? Or we donate our money to JinandSierk'sparadiseisland.com and happen to get coloured names on a totally unrelated website :o

There's nothing to worry about.

[sex]

They don't NEED fansites at all. Habbo started off in 2001 or whatever with no fansites and still managed to grow up to be huge. Then HabboHut etc came. If 'fansites' were so good HabboHut would have so many members because they were the first fansite. Habbo obviously want fansites to help grow the site, but they don't need them.

You're argument is again flawed because habbo isn't growing at all, its in decline lol. It doesn't matter what you say because fansites keep a large amount of people using habbo because they have jobs hosting events or doing other stuff because other than that habbo is boring as **** because the real staff dont bother putting any effort into hosting daily events and keeping users entertained.

[Kyle]

Habbox give money to charities that help people every season, they use that money for people to get better and hospitals to give treatment and experiment on new products that help the people in the world. All charities help people in 1 way or another no matter what they say. This thread has nothing to do with charities so why are you trying.

WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THE CHARITY MONEY IS HELPING PEOPLE PLS??????

[Hidden]

WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THE CHARITY MONEY IS HELPING PEOPLE PLS??????
Where is your proof that fansites aren't using the money for personal use? Okay done? bye

[Kyle]

i say habbox comes a kazopark fansite again

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Where is your proof that fansites aren't using the money for personal use? Okay done? bye
I think you missed my point entirely dear. you are advocating donation to charity but not to habbox itself because you don't know where the money is going. take a look at what you're saying. proof of where the money ends up is not an issue so long as those that give it are content with their donation.

[Kardan]

i have already said why. there is the possibility that the site owner can make a profit (dont bother telling me this doesn't happen, that's not the point - it COULD happen). if a fansite wants to be official and enjoy whatever privileges that come with that it can not imo be seen to be making money for itself. evidently sulake agree.

by the way the idea that habbox or any habbo forum becoming a registered charity is complete nonsense. who would you be helping? you would need an income of over £5k a year to be registered anyway and thats not gonna happen.

Okeanos, you COULD be a paedophile. Don't tell me that you're not, because you COULD be. That's against the Habbo Way, so should Habbo just ban you just to make sure?

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Where is your proof that fansites aren't using the money for personal use? Okay done? bye

Why aren't you targeting users that are selling their gold bars for cash, and actually taking money from Sulake?

[Hidden]

Chaz already got reported and banned for his account systems, so they must be dealing with that slowly - I don't get why they haven't done that already it is really stupid and is losing them more income.

[sex]

why are you -repping everyon who disagreeing with you Hidden; thats against the rules!!! why aren't you following the rules omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kyle]

what are you perm banned for again Hidden; ? lol :rolleyes:

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[RoyalPacific]

Why are we all sitting here and moaning?

[RyRy]

Where is your proof that fansites aren't using the money for personal use? Okay done? bye

That's the whole idea of a non-profit organization, that would have to be declared.

And it doesn't mean that Habbox is a charity. That's something different. It's not as black & white as you think Hidden.

[awsomlycute]

They arent taking money off us. Making a donation or not is completely upto the user, nobody is forced to give anything

[Okeanos]

you're being slightly unrealistic here. hosting, domains, vb licenses and all manner of other features are actually rather costly. I don't believe for a second that any fansites with reasonably large userbases just get all of this for free, so where else would donation money go? If habbox (and I don't know about or care to research donations on other sites) were to ask for payment for premium features then I would see your point but right now a donation is a voluntary payment with the intent of helping the site to churn out new content for the individual to enjoy - if the owner is buying meat feast pizzas with that money but the content is still there, why should it matter?

you might have a point if fansites were entirely open about their costs (and provided proof), and they only sold donator to meet those costs (meaning that once they have sold enough donator to meet their costs for a year for example, they must stop selling it). the problem is there is no way to prove exactly what their costs are or when those costs have been met.

[Mr-Trainor]

Only read half of the thread so far. If Sulake goes ahead with this then they're more brainless than I thought. They probably think people will spend more money on Habbo credits if they can't donate to fansites.

[Lewis]

yeah as someone said above: donate to a different website, get something on that and FREEEEEEE Habbox vip!

[Kardan]

you might have a point if fansites were entirely open about their costs (and provided proof), and they only sold donator to met those costs (meaning that once they have sold enough donator to meet their costs for a year for example, they must stop selling it). the problem is there is no way to prove exactly what their costs are or when those costs have been met.

There is no way to prove exactly that you haven't murdered someone. Brb, calling police.

I don't think you understand the concept of rules, you actually have to break them to get into trouble. Just because you 'could' break them isn't a good enough reason.

I could do and steal a car right now... Does that mean I should go to prison? :(

[RyRy]

@Hidden (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=88160);

I just found something really handy for you:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_a_Charitable_organi zation_and_a_nonprofit_organization

READ IT.

IT'S IN SLIDES, IT'LL BE EASIER FOR YOU TO DIGEST THE INFORMATION. KAY? :)

for anybody who cant be bothered reading slides:

Non profit organizations do not pay dividends to shareholders. It can have any type of purpose. Charities are generally non profit organizations that have the purpose of helping human beings in one way or the other. A charity can run a hospital, a soup kitchen, a homeless shelter, etc. A nonprofit can maintain an old lighthouse, an old battlefield, or a museum, etc. Thus while almost all charities are nonprofit organizations not all nonprofit organizations are charities.

[lemons]

*REMOVED*

Edited by Samanfa (Forum Moderator): Please do not be rude to other members!

[Plebings]

i kind of agree that transactions should be transparent, but i'm completely against the removal of the donation system. i'll do your accounts habbox, trainee accountant *+*++*+*+

[Mr-Trainor]

Where is your proof that fansites aren't using the money for personal use? Okay done? bye
By looking at the invoices for the hosting and domain costs, and then the monthly income from the paid subscriptions.. not that difficult to prove? Plus ads revenue if you want.

[Okeanos]

*REMOVED*

right, who are you again? :S:rolleyes:

mr-trainor -repd me for this post, he thinks its immature. i wonder what he thinks about people posting insults. :rolleyes:

[lemons]

right, who are you again? :S:rolleyes:

oops sorry okeanos doesn't know me i have no opinion bye lol!

[RoyalPacific]

May as well just post this, no moderating going on... So I love my PC.

Edited by Samanfa (Forum Moderator): Please don't post off topic!

[lawrawrrr]

if sulake were genuinely worried about habbox making a PROFIT from it then it shouldn't be too hard to keep accounts, right, for all costs, revenue, expenditure (not sure if this already happens) and just balance it at the end of every year


or say these are rough running costs for a year and once we have hit that in donations then we will take the payments page down

because that's something which will happen (the breaking even, not the taking the page down)

[passion]

Hey, I used to help run HabboHut, doubt anyone remembers me, only stumbled upon my account after visiting Habbox Help Desk two days ago.

Anyway, when HabboHut was at its most popular, we needed donations to help with costs. It is very unlikely that any fansite can make a profit using these donations. That is what they are; donations. People are volunteering to give fansites some of their money. Just like some volunteer to give Habbo/Sulake their money. It is their choice. If they have dispensable income then they have every right to make their own decision about what to spend it on.

I have seen this thread and decided to do a little bit of research. I am a bit out of the loop so forgive me if any of this information is old and or no longer relevant. Habbo is very dynamic and a lot of their articles are outdated. However, this is the fansite way:

https://help.habbo.com/entries/22405102-Habbo-Fansite-Policy

The only clause that explicitly mentions money is the first paragraph:


Please understand that Habbo vigorously protects the Habbo IP from damaging infringement. However, pursuant to the term of this Policy, Habbo grants all of its Fan Sites the revocable permission to create Fan Sites based on Habbo IP. All Fan Sites must be tasteful (in Habbo’s sole discretion) and have no commercial (monetary) objective. Also, Habbo, in its sole discretion, can terminate and revoke your permission to create and maintain Fan Sites at any time, for any or no reason whatsoever.

I have bolded the important part. I'm guessing this is Sulake's issue. So, they believe an objective for fansites is making money. This isn't true. Anyone with any business knowledge will know this. Their objective is to serve the Habbo community. To do this they use numerous web pages. These web pages come at a cost; a cost which users can donate towards should they like to. It is a basic right for people to be able to spend their money on what they want to: a right that Habbo is currently denying. Maybe, the senior staff at Habbox need to make this clear to Sulake; outline to them what your objectives are.

It says Hidden's name is Usul. It appears to me that he has his own agenda. So I asked about if anyone knows who he is and it links back to a site: HabboLicious. So I visited this site and yes Hidden is staff on that site. So one can only guess that HabboLicious isn't official and he wishes to cripple the current official fansites. I'm not sure if it is official... I could be wrong but I can't see the emblem on their web page.

If you didn't read all of that, then: Sulake are in the wrong. The user Hidden on here has an agenda to help the site he works for.

[Samantha]

May as well just post this, no moderating going on... So I love my PC.

I started reading this, and then I began reading again at 79 replies. It's now at over 110 so please bear with me.

A silly idea and it seems that some have had their Habbo experiences ruined or their fansite ones thus they want to nit pick at everything. Firstly, Habbox are providing a service, but they are not taking money - they get it if the person wants to donate and that's that. I would understand if profit was being made each month as we all would want to see something that showed the profit, but it doesn't exist and frankly I doubt it has existed in ages.

I'm sorry, but it seems Habbo staff don't really think of things on their own as it's not too long ago that we were told we could sell VIP, but now it will infringe Habbo's plans? Ok then :rolleyes:.

[Plebings]

i know a few people have mentioned limiting the donators page, and while i doubt habbox make any sort of profit, why couldn't we just donate the surplus to charity.

[-:Undertaker:-]

There's nothing to stop me donating to Habbox - whether it's publically or privately. If it really comes down to it, then we could always have an older member like myself set up a 'fund' which could then just be passed to say xxMATTGxx as a private donation: how he would choose to spend his money would be entirely upto him. ;)


I doubt many older members of Habbo would spend time (and money on creds) there if it weren't for fansites so I think it'd make a dent in their profits. Any legitimate fansite will never make a profit because if they did, the money they'd make would be re-invested back into the community they serve.

This applies to me too - without Habbox then I wouldn't still visit Habbo.

[Suspective]

I haven't had time to read all the posts, so apologies if this point has already been made but I don't see how Habbo can officially stop sites like Habbox taking DONATIONS which aren't compulsory in any form because at the end of the day I'm sure Habbox will survive without the 'official backing' of Habbo but at the end of the day, I'm sure Habbo won't be ending the support of donators because Habbo is very much in a state of decline by number of users, and fansites like Habbox if anything help gain support for Habbo and provide it without a lot of PR, publicity, community interaction and what not whilst keeping users engaged.

[Special]

????? you're all commenting & getting wound up about something potentially made up lol we haven't even seen any evidence of these so called conversations

okeanos' past attempts at seeping some attention out of hxf have gone unnoticed, is this his last ditch attempt??

[Okeanos]

If you didn't read all of that, then: Sulake are in the wrong. The user Hidden on here has an agenda to help the site he works for.

or sulake might have made their own decision about fansites and donator regardless of what usul said. i find it very odd that you are targeting specific habbos rather than a policy you disagree with.

[Hidden]

Alexicles; I actually reported this before Habbolicious existed to powertoo then forwarded to waltzmatilda that took several weeks to get discussed - thanks for your incorrect input bye

[Samantha]

I think the profits should go to the staff members at Habbox, who's with me? The only problem is that if Habbox make a loss (and by the looks of it they usually do), we'd have to pay to work :'(.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I haven't had time to read all the posts, so apologies if this point has already been made but I don't see how Habbo can officially stop sites like Habbox taking DONATIONS which aren't compulsory in any form because at the end of the day I'm sure Habbox will survive without the 'official backing' of Habbo but at the end of the day, I'm sure Habbo won't be ending the support of donators because Habbo is very much in a state of decline by number of users, and fansites like Habbox if anything help gain support for Habbo and provide it without a lot of PR, publicity, community interaction and what not whilst keeping users engaged.

As I stated before (i've just read some posts too saying more or less the same) then we could simply transfer donations to a private member, ie MattG, who could - if he wishes - transfer that money to Habbox.

Where there is a will, there's a way. :P

[Kardan]

right, who are you again? :S:rolleyes:

mr-trainor -repd me for this post, he thinks its immature. i wonder what he thinks about people posting insults. :rolleyes:

I think it's more based on what he thinks of you rather than what he thinks of insults.

[xxMATTGxx]

????? you're all commenting & getting wound up about something potentially made up lol we haven't even seen any evidence of these so called conversations

okeanos' past attempts at seeping some attention out of hxf have gone unnoticed, is this his last ditch attempt??

I can confirm Sulake sent an email to Habbox asking us to remove the paid subscriptions page from the forum.

[Mr-Trainor]

I haven't had time to read all the posts, so apologies if this point has already been made but I don't see how Habbo can officially stop sites like Habbox taking DONATIONS which aren't compulsory in any form because at the end of the day I'm sure Habbox will survive without the 'official backing' of Habbo but at the end of the day, I'm sure Habbo won't be ending the support of donators because Habbo is very much in a state of decline by number of users, and fansites like Habbox if anything help gain support for Habbo and provide it without a lot of PR, publicity, community interaction and what not whilst keeping users engaged.
The problem is.. what Sulake could do is stop giving the right to use their property i.e. Habbo images/graphics.

????? you're all commenting & getting wound up about something potentially made up lol we haven't even seen any evidence of these so called conversations

okeanos' past attempts at seeping some attention out of hxf have gone unnoticed, is this his last ditch attempt??
Matt mentioned an email :P.

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right, who are you again? :S:rolleyes:

mr-trainor -repd me for this post, he thinks its immature. i wonder what he thinks about people posting insults. :rolleyes:
My comment wasn't just aimed at one post, but rather a much wider range of your content I've had to put up with for a long time. May I also mention, you once insulted me :rolleyes:.

[RyRy]

@Alexicles (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=48833); I actually reported this before Habbolicious existed to powertoo then forwarded to waltzmatilda that took several weeks to get discussed - thanks for your incorrect input bye

Do you have any proof of when Habbolicious was set up and when you sent the message?

Playing by your rules, and all that.

[RoyalPacific]

I can confirm Sulake sent an email to Habbox asking us to remove the paid subscriptions page from the forum.

Why has this not be done?

[Kardan]

Sorry if this has been said, my phone can't keep up. But what is wrong with Habbox making a profit? Sierk, Jin and Matt should have at least some reward for the work they do.

Also nice to see Okeanos get his 4th red bar of rep!

[RyRy]

Why has this not be done?

Because we're all rebellious.

[RoyalPacific]

Because we're all rebellious.

I don't think it should be removed but it's still a serious case...

[xxMATTGxx]

Why has this not be done?

No time scales and we are currently in discussion with Sulake about the matter.

[Hidden]

Do you have any proof of when Habbolicious was set up and when you sent the message?

Playing by your rules, and all that.

Either way I only became staff yesterday on habbolicious and the previous statement said she replied on the 6th, so yeah bye

[Kardan]

A simple solution if Habbo did take their images away, make HxF seperate to Habbox. Habbox remains official, HxF keeps taking donations. I am sure we can live without a few skins.

[RyRy]

Either way I only became staff yesterday on habbolicious and the previous statement said she replied on the 6th, so yeah bye

Where is your proof of this happening though?

I don't see any proof.

We abide by proof at Habbox.

[Mr-Trainor]

A simple solution if Habbo did take their images away, make HxF seperate to Habbox. Habbox remains official, HxF keeps taking donations. I am sure we can live without a few skins.
That's another good suggestion.. but hopefully it'll never even come to that and Sulake won't go through with this in the first place :P.

Has another fansite removed their payments page yet, or made an announcement regarding it?

[xxMATTGxx]

That's another good suggestion.. but hopefully it'll never even come to that and Sulake won't go through with this in the first place :P.

Has another fansite removed their payments page yet, or made an announcement regarding it?

The only fansite that I noticed removed theirs when I had a look was: http://puhekupla.com/ but they were contacted a good few weeks ago about theirs.

[passion]

@Alexicles (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=48833); I actually reported this before Habbolicious existed to powertoo then forwarded to waltzmatilda that took several weeks to get discussed - thanks for your incorrect input bye

SO WaltzMatilda was in several weeks of discussion about it? I just asked her...

http://d.pr/i/tCGv.png

Like others have said. We like to play things by the book. So let's stick with the facts that we have proof for.

1) WaltzMatilda said she had nothing to do with it. This means we know you're a liar. As can be seen above.
2) You are staff on Habbolicious as can be seen here: http://habbolicious.com/staff
3) Habbolicious isn't official as can be seen here: http://www.habbo.com/community/fansites

So, you have an agenda against official sites. You wish to cripple them to aid the one you work for. Now we know why you're doing this, you have effectively written the counter-argument for the senior staff at affected fansites.

[RyRy]

The only fansite that I noticed removed theirs when I had a look was: http://puhekupla.com/ but they were contacted a good few weeks ago about theirs.

Couldn't be the reason why Vado left could it? Just throwing that out there.

[Suspective]

I can confirm Sulake sent an email to Habbox asking us to remove the paid subscriptions page from the forum.

This is simply proof of what Sulake/Habbo has become, I haven't been a regular on Habbo for a good few years now but I did log in briefly last week to see what it had become, and it's nothing like it used to be there must of been around 1000 users logged in during the afternoon peak when the UK hotel it self would be attracting lots more than that let alone the other former international Hotels.

As I said before, I don't think Sulake really appreciates the contribution fansites has made to the community over the years, the dedication of their staff providing a service free of charge, owners/administrators donating their own money to pay for server costs and everything else which needs paying. Its only fair they are allowed to accept donations to cover part of the costs (most sites are still making a loss after this). I remember when fansites had to close their 'VIP' schemes and this was a big blow and donations dropped as far as I know but now this is an even bigger extreme and just shows a lack of appreciation or support for fansites or the Habbo community.

Habbo Hotel really has lost its sense of community, which we did once have and as far as I can see its on a downward spiral, and it will be even more so if they intimidate fansites and close off an important stream of income which helps these non-profit sites to survive at the end of the day .

[RyRy]

SO WaltzMatilda was in several weeks of discussion about it? I just asked her...

http://d.pr/i/tCGv.png

Like others have said. We like to play things by the book. So let's stick with the facts that we have proof for.

1) WaltzMatilda said she had nothing to do with it. This means we know you're a liar. As can be seen above.
2) You are staff on Habbolicious as can be seen here: http://habbolicious.com/staff
3) Habbolicious isn't official as can be seen here: http://www.habbo.com/community/fansites

So, you have an agenda against official sites. You wish to cripple them to aid the one you work for. Now we know why you're doing this, you have effectively written the counter-argument for the senior staff at affected fansites.

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Ooh-Burn-Emma-Stone-In-Easy-A-Gif.gif

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[Hidden]

SO WaltzMatilda was in several weeks of discussion about it? I just asked her...

http://d.pr/i/tCGv.png

Like others have said. We like to play things by the book. So let's stick with the facts that we have proof for.

1) WaltzMatilda said she had nothing to do with it. This means we know you're a liar. As can be seen above.
2) You are staff on Habbolicious as can be seen here: http://habbolicious.com/staff
3) Habbolicious isn't official as can be seen here: http://www.habbo.com/community/fansites

So, you have an agenda against official sites. You wish to cripple them to aid the one you work for. Now we know why you're doing this, you have effectively written the counter-argument for the senior staff at affected fansites.

1)
Kate

Habbo.com Customer Support




Hello,
Thanks for contacting us with your report.
We appreciate that you took the time to send us your comments and we will make sure that the relevant department reads them and act upon them as soon as possible. Should we need any more information, we will get back to you.
Best,
Kate
Customer Support - http://www.habbo.com (http://www.habbo.com/)

November 06, 2013 03:02

2) I didn't say I wasn't staff? lol

3) So?


Waltz probably is talking about the email that was sent.

[Mr-Trainor]

SO WaltzMatilda was in several weeks of discussion about it? I just asked her...

http://d.pr/i/tCGv.png

Like others have said. We like to play things by the book. So let's stick with the facts that we have proof for.

1) WaltzMatilda said she had nothing to do with it. This means we know you're a liar. As can be seen above.
2) You are staff on Habbolicious as can be seen here: http://habbolicious.com/staff
3) Habbolicious isn't official as can be seen here: http://www.habbo.com/community/fansites

So, you have an agenda against official sites. You wish to cripple them to aid the one you work for. Now we know why you're doing this, you have effectively written the counter-argument for the senior staff at affected fansites.
Lmao - can't +rep you again.. this is when we need a like system ;). But hmm maybe she's pretending not to know because she knows people are annoyed and doesn't want to argue about it? Just a small possibility. I doubt that though, so Hidden; who were you speaking to then :S.

[MKR&*42]

That's another good suggestion.. but hopefully it'll never even come to that and Sulake won't go through with this in the first place :P.

Has another fansite removed their payments page yet, or made an announcement regarding it?

Can't see it on HFFM or HabbCrazy after glancing. Dunno about TH as I don't have an account on there :¬:

[Mr-Trainor]

1)
Kate

Habbo.com Customer Support




Hello,
Thanks for contacting us with your report.
We appreciate that you took the time to send us your comments and we will make sure that the relevant department reads them and act upon them as soon as possible. Should we need any more information, we will get back to you.
Best,
Kate
Customer Support - http://www.habbo.com (http://www.habbo.com/)

November 06, 2013 03:02

2) I didn't say I wasn't staff? lol

3) So?


Waltz probably is talking about the email that was sent.


That's a generic help tool response.. can't count the number of times I've received that.

[Plebings]

Either way I only became staff yesterday on habbolicious and the previous statement said she replied on the 6th, so yeah bye
to be fair you've been working there way longer than yesterday

[passion]

1)
Kate

Habbo.com Customer Support




Hello,
Thanks for contacting us with your report.
We appreciate that you took the time to send us your comments and we will make sure that the relevant department reads them and act upon them as soon as possible. Should we need any more information, we will get back to you.
Best,
Kate
Customer Support - http://www.habbo.com (http://www.habbo.com/)

November 06, 2013 03:02

2) I didn't say I wasn't staff? lol

3) So?


1) She clicked a button to send an automatic response. That does not equal the several weeks of discussion you previously mentioned.
2) No but now we know why you're doing it.
3) Now we know why you're doing it.

[Scotland]

seems staff page link changed, http://www.habbolicious.com/v2/#!/Staff

SO WaltzMatilda was in several weeks of discussion about it? I just asked her...

http://d.pr/i/tCGv.png

Like others have said. We like to play things by the book. So let's stick with the facts that we have proof for.

1) WaltzMatilda said she had nothing to do with it. This means we know you're a liar. As can be seen above.
2) You are staff on Habbolicious as can be seen here: http://habbolicious.com/staff
3) Habbolicious isn't official as can be seen here: http://www.habbo.com/community/fansites

So, you have an agenda against official sites. You wish to cripple them to aid the one you work for. Now we know why you're doing this, you have effectively written the counter-argument for the senior staff at affected fansites.

[Hidden]

1) She clicked a button to send an automatic response. That does not equal the several weeks of discussion you previously mentioned.
2) No but now we know why you're doing it.
3) Now we know why you're doing it.

1) She asked me to send her the links
2) You are mad that it happened
3) You are extremely mad

[passion]

to be fair you've been working there way longer than yesterday
More proof that he's a liar.

seems staff page link changed, http://www.habbolicious.com/v2/#!/Staff
Ah, explains it even more. My link said he was a moderator; the new link says he's Site Manager.

Maybe this complaint was the fundamental reason for his promotion, eliminating rivals.

[Hidden]

to be fair you've been working there way longer than yesterday

I haven't actually, just been going to the events to help alexis out.

[Plebings]

I haven't actually, just been going to the events to help alexis out. so last week when i visited the site and it said you were head moderator was all in my head?

[passion]

1) She asked me to send her the links
2) You are mad that it happened
3) You are extremely mad
The beauty of acknowledging your opponent has the upper hand, the "mad" line.

I will now be creating a ticket with a link to this thread and your responses to show staff that your complaints lack any sort of validity. You made your bed etc.

[xxMATTGxx]

Can't see it on HFFM or HabbCrazy after glancing. Dunno about TH as I don't have an account on there :¬:

HFFM had no emails from Sulake about this when we asked them yesterday. Not sure if that has changed now though.

[Hidden]

I didn't apply for moderator nor do anything, it was just a rank to give a colourful name.

This is so funny that you are all mad over something that Habbo decided haha knew this forum was so bitter at everything.

[passion]

I didn't apply for moderator nor do anything, it was just a rank to give a colourful name.

This is so funny that you are all mad over something that Habbo decided haha knew this forum was so bitter at everything.
You're the only one that is coming across bitter in this thread. Okeanos was just joking and 'trolling' you're genuinely upset about something that doesn't affect you.

[RyRy]

The beauty of acknowledging your opponent has the upper hand, the "mad" line.

I will now be creating a ticket with a link to this thread and your responses to show staff that your complaints lack any sort of validity. You made your bed etc.

Can I kiss you? Can I actually kiss your face off? You need a giant gold belt, the amount of smackdowns you just provided made the WWE look like a bunch of toddlers having a spate.

[xxMATTGxx]

I didn't apply for moderator nor do anything, it was just a rank to give a colourful name.

This is so funny that you are all mad over something that Habbo decided haha knew this forum was so bitter at everything.

I think you will find most fansites with any type of donator/VIP will just be as annoyed.

[Red]

HFFM had no emails from Sulake about this when we asked them yesterday. Not sure if that has changed now though.

Do you know which staff sent the email?
It doesn't make sense that some fansites received the email and not others? And then others getting it early? :S

[RoyalPacific]

I think you will find most fansites with any similar system will just be as annoyed.

I think you will find that this thread is getting out of hand. My opinion.

[Hidden]

Well if the fansites are not happy with the result it just shows they are in it for money rather than what a fansite is supposed to be about.

[xxMATTGxx]

Do you know which staff sent the email?
It doesn't make sense that some fansites received the email and not others? And then others getting it early? :S

No, they no longer sign the emails with names. Yeah I don't think all fansites were contacted at the same time, I know HabboKingdom was recently as well.

[MKR&*42]

HFFM had no emails from Sulake about this when we asked them yesterday. Not sure if that has changed now though.

That's strange? :S Why would you receive them and not others.

[Hidden]

Several other official fansites can run without donator and adverts, why can't you?

[xxMATTGxx]

Several other official fansites can run without donator and adverts, why can't you?

They haven't been open enough near long enough to know how much it costs and will probably close in a short of period of time. Considering Habbox has been around for 10 years, a lot of fansites have opened and closed during that time.

[Hidden]

They haven't been open enough near long enough to know how much it costs and will probably close in a short of period of time. Considering Habbox has been around for 10 years, a lot of fansites have opened and closed during that time.

Loads of them have been opened for years to be fair.

[passion]

Several other official fansites can run without donator and adverts, why can't you?

You must be new to computers. New, tacky and unofficial sites don't have the content that the old and official ones do. Habbox has tens of thousands of members and millions of posts. To maintain all of this Habbox will have to pay a lot more than most sites. It's a lot to hold and process.

[RyRy]

Several other official fansites can run without donator and adverts, why can't you?

Not everybody is skilled enough to host a Tumblr fansite unfortunately. :(

[Red]

Well if the fansites are not happy with the result it just shows they are in it for money rather than what a fansite is supposed to be about.

None of us who are against this gain any money :S People are unhappy with it because we know the various fansites are going to suffer.

[Hidden]

You must be new to computers. New, tacky and unofficial sites don't have the content that the old and official ones do. Habbox has tens of thousands of members and millions of posts. To maintain all of this Habbox will have to pay a lot more than most sites. It's a lot to hold and process.

I guess you missed the part that said "several other OFFICIAL fansites"

[RyRy]

I guess you missed the part that said "several other OFFICIAL fansites"

Name which ones can provide without donations?

I bet they're almost all newly appointed.

[passion]

I guess you missed the part that said "several other OFFICIAL fansites"

Yes, I was concentrating on Habbox. Maybe you're not aware but that's the site we're both currently on and contributing towards so it'd make the most sense to use it as the example.

[Hidden]

None of us who are against this gain any money :S People are unhappy with it because we know the various fansites are going to suffer.

I understand the point of fansites suffering and using it to gain money to run the site, adverts are still being discussed which also gains them money to run the site. So I don't get why they are so bothered if they can just upload an advert or so then gain money from that to help the site if it's such a problem.

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Name which ones can provide without donations?

I bet they're almost all newly appointed.

Theres a list called official fansites, I guess you can get the information if you really desire it.

[lawrawrrr]

Several other official fansites can run without donator and adverts, why can't you?

do you understand how the economy works


if a website has no income how is it supposed to pay for hosting, streaming etc etc? Magic beans?

[MKR&*42]

Hmmm.

Official fansites that have donator/"vip";

Habbox
HFFM
HabboKingdom
HabbCrazy
Puhekupla (well, did till recently)
ThisHabbo
FlyHabbo
HabboHut

Those that don't

Habbosphere
Habbotiles
HabboCreation
Habbo Wiki

Out of those that don't, how many have a site + a forum:
oh... none.

Habbo wiki would cost nothing as it's based upon a free template provided by wikia, as for Habbotiles and Habbosphere they are some of the least active fansites on the .com hotel...

But of course "plenty" don't need donator.

---

Just checked, Habbosphere is opening a forum soon and 90% sure they'll offer VIP.

[Hidden]

http://puhekupla.com/en/donators


was it that hard?

[MKR&*42]

Name which ones can provide without donations?

I bet they're almost all newly appointed.

Look at my most recent post. Two of them are recent, the rest are barely heard of on the .com hotel :P

[RoyalPacific]

http://puhekupla.com/en/donators


was it that hard?

It's been like that for ages, no quibble or fuss.

[lawrawrrr]

http://puhekupla.com/en/donators


was it that hard?

No, it's not hard to remove a page. It's the principles behind it which is stopping fansite owners/managers from doing it.

[Plebings]

fansites shouldn't have a 'cap' on their audience, if a fansite becomes popular it should be congratulated, not punished.

[GoldenMerc]

Wonder how / if Habbox will survive now, or any of the other sites now meh

[RyRy]

I understand the point of fansites suffering and using it to gain money to run the site, adverts are still being discussed which also gains them money to run the site. So I don't get why they are so bothered if they can just upload an advert or so then gain money from that to help the site if it's such a problem.

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Theres a list called official fansites, I guess you can get the information if you really desire it.

I absolutely desire it. Here's a list of all fansites that don't have a donations page:

http://habbosphere.com
http://www.habbotiles.net
http://habbo.wikia.com/wiki - Doesn't have one because it's hosted on the wikia platform. No payment required
http://habbocreation.com

So we have 3 websites that don't ask for donations. "Several other fansites" he said.

[Mr-Trainor]

You must be new to computers. New, tacky and unofficial sites don't have the content that the old and official ones do. Habbox has tens of thousands of members and millions of posts. To maintain all of this Habbox will have to pay a lot more than most sites. It's a lot to hold and process.
This.

I understand the point of fansites suffering and using it to gain money to run the site, adverts are still being discussed which also gains them money to run the site. So I don't get why they are so bothered if they can just upload an advert or so then gain money from that to help the site if it's such a problem.

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Theres a list called official fansites, I guess you can get the information if you really desire it.
I believe ads bring in less revenue than Donator, but I could be wrong. What I don't understand is why you went through the effort to report the whole thing in the first place?

[Ardemax]

TL;DR: It's been a slow news day and now the baby is throwing toys out of the pram.

Edited by Matts (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't post pointlessly.

[FlyingJesus]

I've never understood why people like replying to people who are just here to cause trouble, they aren't entertaining at all.

Anyhoo, if this doesn't get overturned there are plenty of ways around it. Fixed "raffles", affiliated sites whose donor lists just happen by coincidence to be viewable by HxF forum management, whatever. That said, their demands aren't reasonable or legally upheld, nor do they actually relate to the problem they seem to believe they're tackling, so we're actually under no obligation to comply whatsoever.

Thread done, everyone can stop repeating themselves and giving disabled kids attention now

[Demi]

The esteemed habbo rights campaigner Okeanos has learned that his efforts to stop fansites taking monetary donations from its users moved a significant step forward today. After speaking with staff members and campaigning for months to end fansites collecting money from people, I can now exclusively reveal that all fansites have received an email telling them to immediately stop accepting money from their users. Can fansites survive without this income? Will Habbox go the same way as ClubHabbo? :O:O:O Who knows.

YOU sir are an ass... You clearly don't know how fansites survive and need to pay for hosting etc... Complete idiot. Go away.

[Kardan]

Several other official fansites can run without donator and adverts, why can't you?

Several hundred people donate millions of pounds to charity, why can't you?

[FlyingJesus]

Excuse me I said stop

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[Kardan]

Excuse me I said stop

Excuse me, I am farming rep thank you very much!!11 :(

On Topic; This is outrageous! How dare Sulake do something like this!

[Samantha]

Excuse me I said stop

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Now I get it :(.

Anyway I'm sure this will be revoked soon enough.

[JaiHo]

My opinion is for anyone who cares!

Habbox and other fansites are a great asset for Habbo they promote Habbo in a positive way & quite frankly the events and things that fansites put on are one of the most popular/exciting things to do on Habbo nowadays. Habbo has shown their recognition of fansites values by making the "official status"
Now on to the donation subject, I think if it could be shown that fansites were financially benefitting from donations that would be an entirely different situation but I think it's quite clear that the people who run fansites such as Habbox do so for the love of it rather than for monetary gain I mean be serious how much money would they be making? Anyone who has an inkling of running costs would understand that for a website such as Habbox with all its content requires money to be kept running. No-one is being FORCED to donate. I think Habbo should re-think this decision because quite frankly it could be disastrous for them.

Also yeah I get it some fansites don't ask for donations cause they are 1) Small with no content 2) have no forum 3) Are hosted on free sites

[JaiHo]

Can't edit my post for some reason! Just wanted to add just became a donator for the first time because fudge you habbo <3

[Hidden]

Several hundred people donate millions of pounds to charity, why can't you?

Sorry what? I have donated several money to charity. I don't get why you would even say that if you don't even know anything about me lol.

[Rachel]

I personally think that it's the owners and probably general management decides if they want to close a fansite. Donations being given towards Habbox are not being forced to be given. If it comes to the point that Habbo(sulake) wants to stop this then I am not sure what will happen next but I don't think Habbox will ever close for this matter if they take out donations. Well that is how I see it.

[Kardan]

Sorry what? I have donated several money to charity. I don't get why you would even say that if you don't even know anything about me lol.

But you have not donated millions of pounds, and others have, why? The answer is, you simply cannot. Just like Habbox cannot operate without donations.

[FlyingJesus]

Time to move to geocities

[Lewis]

A simple solution if Habbo did take their images away, make HxF seperate to Habbox. Habbox remains official, HxF keeps taking donations. I am sure we can live without a few skins.

good idea! this should be done if it can't get sorted out

[Shorty]

Incoming three adverts per every page on every fansite, followed my Sulake then demanding no adverts on fansites.

[Hidden]

But you have not donated millions of pounds, and others have, why? The answer is, you simply cannot. Just like Habbox cannot operate without donations.

There's a difference between giving what you can and not giving at all. If Habbox can't operate without donations then how is that Habbos problem? They stated it in the rules that it's against the fansite policy to accept donations. Just like it's also against the fansite way to accept p2p/p2s in events.

[myles]

is this still going on why doesnt everyone cheer up :)

[RyRy]

There's a difference between giving what you can and not giving at all. If Habbox can't operate without donations then how is that Habbos problem? They stated it in the rules that it's against the fansite policy to accept donations. Just like it's also against the fansite way to accept p2p/p2s in events.

They stated in the fansite policy that fansites shouldn't be getting monetary gain. 20 pages in, and you still haven't established that Habbox are running at a loss and there is no monetary gain.

In no way does it say they're not allowed to accept donations, so if it came to it Habbox could ask people to donate money to keep the site running but not offer any rewards for it. There's no commercialism in that.

Users suffer, but the fansites live on!

[Lewis]

There's a difference between giving what you can and not giving at all. If Habbox can't operate without donations then how is that Habbos problem? They stated it in the rules that it's against the fansite policy to accept donations. Just like it's also against the fansite way to accept p2p/p2s in events.

Why have you gone to the trouble of deliberately getting sulake to ban donations? There's no reason to unless you're simply trying to cause huge amounts of trouble for fansites.

Habbox and probably most official fansites who use donator don't even gain a profit, and for those who do, if any, who cares. You're just trying to cause trouble or eliminate competition if you are from another fansite :/...

And as ryry just said above, there is no gain for Habbox.

[Logandyer45]

The money we habbos pay to fansites is for like Matt said, credits for the community and half for the bills. In return, the buyers get a special color username and other special features. I dont understand the point in this...

[Scotland]

saw powertoo speaking about this ages ago..
she said fansites can accept donations but the fansites cant ask for them.

Also, Usul why do you moan/are grumpy sooooo much?

[Hidden]

I didn't exactly tell them to remove it, I just questioned it then I said there was no legit proof from every single year/month/day that the money would not be used for personal gain and there is some sites that do use it for that. Then I was asked to send a list so I did, and here we are. It is against the rules either way because sulake won't check every fansite every single day and have no legit proof as things can easily be edited and it would take them a lot of effort, work and time that they don't have.

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I don't get why people are moaning at me, I'm not staff I didn't take the final decision - they did :)

[FlyingJesus]

So you're saying that because there's no proof that these sites are breaking the rules, they must be

[RyRy]

I didn't exactly tell them to remove it, I just questioned it then I said there was no legit proof from every single year/month/day that the money would not be used for personal gain and there is some sites that do use it for that. Then I was asked to send a list so I did, and here we are. It is against the rules either way because sulake won't check every fansite every single day and have no legit proof as things can easily be edited and it would take them a lot of effort, work and time that they don't have.

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I don't get why people are moaning at me, I'm not staff I didn't take the final decision - they did :)

Nobody is moaning at you for the decision made, they're moaning at you for your lack of knowledge into what actually counts as a rule break and how a kind of decision like this is detrimental to ALL fansites. Every fansite gets into financial difficulties (sooner or later) and they need to ask users to help. You seem to think that every fansite uses the money for their own gain, and that's what people dislike as that is not the case at all.

As for the final decision though, I can see that getting reversed once Sulake realize what they've actually caused haha.

[Mr-Trainor]

There's a difference between giving what you can and not giving at all. If Habbox can't operate without donations then how is that Habbos problem? They stated it in the rules that it's against the fansite policy to accept donations. Just like it's also against the fansite way to accept p2p/p2s in events.
Where?

Why have you gone to the trouble of deliberately getting sulake to ban donations? There's no reason to unless you're simply trying to cause huge amounts of trouble for fansites.

Habbox and probably most official fansites who use donator don't even gain a profit, and for those who do, if any, who cares. You're just trying to cause trouble or eliminate competition if you are from another fansite :/...

And as ryry just said above, there is no gain for Habbox.
Yeah :S. The fansite he's at probably gets no donations so he doesn't want any to be getting them? That's the only way I can see him benefiting from this.

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As for the final decision though, I can see that getting reversed once Sulake realize what they've actually caused haha.
Agreed.

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I don't get why people are moaning at me, I'm not staff I didn't take the final decision - they did :)
Erm, maybe because of your first post in this thread (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=790104&p=8037973#post8037973). In case you've forgotten, it began with
'Basically this happened because of me..'

[RyRy]

Erm, maybe because of your first post in this thread (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=790104&p=8037973#post8037973). In case you've forgotten, it began with
'Basically this happened because of me, I argued with..'


Hahahaha oh god that pretty much sums up this Hidden guy, says one thing then backtracks when it's getting fiesty. Denies anything with actual relevance to be true, and anything he disagrees with is, in his words, "incorrect".

[Kardan]

There's a difference between giving what you can and not giving at all. If Habbox can't operate without donations then how is that Habbos problem? They stated it in the rules that it's against the fansite policy to accept donations. Just like it's also against the fansite way to accept p2p/p2s in events.

Where's the rule that fansite cannot accept donations? As before, it's been stated that fansites cannot have a "monetary objective". Accepting donations for the upkeep of the site is not having a monetary objective.

[Rachel]

Habbox Owners doesn't twist ANYONE'S arm to donate. Getting color name and stuff is like a thank you for donating but they don't have to donate.

[Hidden]

Habbox isn't the only fansite who has been pointed this rule, so when you have proof that EVERY fansite doesn't with LEGIT facts and proof then complain but the fact is... you all don't. You have their 'word' which means nothing. I honestly couldn't care less if they revoked it or not. bye

[RyRy]

Habbox isn't the only fansite who has been pointed this rule, so when you have proof that EVERY fansite doesn't with LEGIT facts and proof then complain but the fact is... you all don't. You have their 'word' which means nothing. I honestly couldn't care less if they revoked it or not. bye

Yeah, we're aware it's not the only site pointed out by the rule, we've been in this thread too. When you have proof that this would be beneficial to the entire fansite community, then let us know. Otherwise, bye.

[Hidden]

You're all so gullible, I created that post today and copied an old thing from kate on the tool from the halloween head corner error. LOLOLOLOL

Either way, I don't give a monkeys ass if donator is allowed or not. It just seems like not every fansite uses it legit. I don't see how it's possible to even want to spend over $250/£250 on a fansite.

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I would like to complain about a huge design flaw in the latest furniture. The 'Corner of the dwarf railing' isn't suitable when facing forward against 2 bars it has 2 far edges sticking out. I will attach an image to show the design flaw and hopefully it can be edited to be more suitable for all directions.



https://help.habbo.com/attachments/show/480297066 (https://help.habbo.com/attachments/token/wlqst2lc1u1vctp/?name=flaw.png) flaw.png (https://help.habbo.com/attachments/token/wlqst2lc1u1vctp/?name=flaw.png) (quick view (https://help.habbo.com/attachments/token/wlqst2lc1u1vctp/?name=flaw.png))









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November 06, 2013 03:02

[RyRy]

You're all so gullible, I created that post today and copied an old thing from kate on the tool from the halloween head corner error. LOLOLOLOL

Either way, I don't give a monkeys ass if donator is allowed or not. It just seems like not every fansite uses it legit. I don't see how it's possible to even want to spend over $250/£250 on a fansite.

Only website that I'm aware of that ever used donator to gain their own money was Clubhabbo and they've shut down. As for the email from Kate, you were shown as a liar earlier on anyway by passion;, so the shock of that is really... not there.

[Lewis]

You're all so gullible, I created that post today and copied an old thing from kate on the tool from the halloween head corner error. LOLOLOLOL

Either way, I don't give a monkeys ass if donator is allowed or not. It just seems like not every fansite uses it legit. I don't see how it's possible to even want to spend over $250/£250 on a fansite.

- - - Updated - - -

I would like to complain about a huge design flaw in the latest furniture. The 'Corner of the dwarf railing' isn't suitable when facing forward against 2 bars it has 2 far edges sticking out. I will attach an image to show the design flaw and hopefully it can be edited to be more suitable for all directions.



https://help.habbo.com/attachments/show/480297066 (https://help.habbo.com/attachments/token/wlqst2lc1u1vctp/?name=flaw.png) flaw.png (https://help.habbo.com/attachments/token/wlqst2lc1u1vctp/?name=flaw.png) (quick view (https://help.habbo.com/attachments/token/wlqst2lc1u1vctp/?name=flaw.png))









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November 06, 2013 03:02







I really can't decide what word to describe you as now... From a troll to immature to millions of different things. Perhaps it's them all.

[xxMATTGxx]

You're all so gullible, I created that post today and copied an old thing from kate on the tool from the halloween head corner error. LOLOLOLOL

Either way, I don't give a monkeys ass if donator is allowed or not. It just seems like not every fansite uses it legit. I don't see how it's possible to even want to spend over $250/£250 on a fansite.

- - - Updated - - -

I would like to complain about a huge design flaw in the latest furniture. The 'Corner of the dwarf railing' isn't suitable when facing forward against 2 bars it has 2 far edges sticking out. I will attach an image to show the design flaw and hopefully it can be edited to be more suitable for all directions.



https://help.habbo.com/attachments/show/480297066 (https://help.habbo.com/attachments/token/wlqst2lc1u1vctp/?name=flaw.png) flaw.png (https://help.habbo.com/attachments/token/wlqst2lc1u1vctp/?name=flaw.png) (quick view (https://help.habbo.com/attachments/token/wlqst2lc1u1vctp/?name=flaw.png))









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November 06, 2013 03:02







Sorry pal, we knew you were a liar from the first post you posted in this thread. Also thanks to the passion; user for owning you pretty much each time.

[Hidden]

These comments are hilarious, wonder what Habbo is going to do now :)

[Kardan]

Habbox isn't the only fansite who has been pointed this rule, so when you have proof that EVERY fansite doesn't with LEGIT facts and proof then complain but the fact is... you all don't. You have their 'word' which means nothing. I honestly couldn't care less if they revoked it or not. bye

Wait, so every fansite has to follow the rules then? Or everyone loses the right to donate?

Cause then we just best shut down the whole of Habbo since there was at least one paedophile on there...

[zombies]

wasn't ditch the label gna get a lawyer on habbox?

[Kardan]

Oooh, xxMATTGxx; You know that hell ban thing you gave to brad? Any chance we could get this brought in for the two trolls :)

[xxMATTGxx]

wasn't ditch the label gna get a lawyer on habbox?

Where did you hear that from? Either way, they didn't have a leg to stand on. We don't live in North Korea for a start.


Oooh, xxMATTGxx; You know that hell ban thing you gave to brad? Any chance we could get this brought in for the two trolls :)

I forgot about that actually :P

[RyRy]

Oooh, @xxMATTGxx (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=1020); You know that hell ban thing you gave to brad? Any chance we could get this brought in for the two trolls :)

A banning on trolls, oh that would be bliss but it'd also be the ultimate downfall for Habbox considering how many there are haha.

[e5]

Habbox can just not be official then? I dunno why habbo listen to people like this guy, it's stupid. I suggest we 'fight' back to have this changed.

[GoldenMerc]

Habbox can just not be official then? I dunno why habbo listen to people like this guy, it's stupid. I suggest we 'fight' back to have this changed.

Then they will get the same email that Black market site got

[RyRy]

Habbox can just not be official then? I dunno why habbo listen to people like this guy, it's stupid. I suggest we 'fight' back to have this changed.

Given the amount of benefits I think official fansites actually get, leaving the official program or shutting down the website? Think I know what I'd go for.

[e5]

Given the amount of benefits I think official fansites actually get, leaving the official program or shutting down the website? Think I know what I'd go for.

Not aware of all of the official benefits but yeah.

Glad I stocked up on VIP aha. Maybe I should make some profit selling it :rolleyes:

[MKR&*42]

Oh dear, wonder how habbolicious will do in the future when their site manager is an exposed troll on other Habbo forums... :hmm:

[GommeInc]

Removed post - I take it it's just some idiot being a pest.

[AgnesIO]

You're all so gullible, I created that post today and copied an old thing from kate on the tool from the halloween head corner error. LOLOLOLOL

Either way, I don't give a monkeys ass if donator is allowed or not. It just seems like not every fansite uses it legit. I don't see how it's possible to even want to spend over $250/£250 on a fansite.

- - - Updated - - -

I would like to complain about a huge design flaw in the latest furniture. The 'Corner of the dwarf railing' isn't suitable when facing forward against 2 bars it has 2 far edges sticking out. I will attach an image to show the design flaw and hopefully it can be edited to be more suitable for all directions.



https://help.habbo.com/attachments/show/480297066 (https://help.habbo.com/attachments/token/wlqst2lc1u1vctp/?name=flaw.png) flaw.png (https://help.habbo.com/attachments/token/wlqst2lc1u1vctp/?name=flaw.png) (quick view (https://help.habbo.com/attachments/token/wlqst2lc1u1vctp/?name=flaw.png))









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November 06, 2013 03:02






hahahaha you so funni

Well, I lie. You are ignoramus.

[FlyingJesus]

we just best shut down the whole of Habbo since there was at least one paedophile on there...

Sounds like a confession to me

[RyRy]

Sounds like a confession to me

I agree, wanna say something Kardan;

[GommeInc]

As I said to Matt - Sulake ought to be reminded that it is their customers and their communities which have kept their stupid, broken service alive.

What happened when Habbo swung the doors open wide and let paedophiles, sexual deviants and cyber-bullies use their services and they subsequently shut themselves down after protests? It was their dying communities keeping their customers entertained and informed about what was happening. What did Sulake do? They denied it constantly in their own ignorance, they ignored their customers and communities which would have abandoned them - and many people did as they are callous and untrusted.

Habbo ought to be ashamed of themselves, they're all ignorant and unaware of the strength of their customers and communities. It's as if they've forgotten what their service is all about - it's essentially a social network that doesn't like networking and prefers anti-social marketing tactics to having an open policy to the way their customers operate. You would think they would have learnt when they got rid of that imbecile La Fontaine, but clearly not.

What anyone in their right mind should do (even though they will once Habbo kills off their communities), is to simply stop buying credits and spending money on a dying service. It may teach them a lesson. What they clearly did not learn from the paedophile scandal, they will surely learn when the money starts drying up.

[tm]

Just spent the last 20 minutes reading all that, nice opinions there.
I remember there was a lot of fuss about this a few years ago and they just gave up on it after a week of leaving everyone in limbo. Let's hope this works out the same.

[Jack!]

Everyone grab the pitchforks and torches, To the Sulake HQ and/or Hiddens house, whichever is closer.

[-:Undertaker:-]

A good friend of mine has found this leak, apparently this was sent to the owner of a fansite because he/she didn't comply with the enforced Sulake rules.


To Whom It May Concern

The following information is presented for the purposes of removing web content that infringes our copyright per the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. We appreciate your enforcement of copyright law and support of our rights in this matter. The infringing material appears on the domain listed below: *removed* Sulake Corporation Ltd and its affiliates (hereinafter together “Sulake” or “we”) together with their licensors own all rights, title and interest in and to the website Habbo and its different language versions (hereinafter referred to as the “Habbo Site”) and in and to all of its contents which content includes without limitation images, animations, computer programs as well as “Sulake”. "Bobba" and “Habbo” trademarks and various other names, marks and logos used at the Habbo Site (hereinafter referred to as the “Sulake Content”).

Sulake Content is protected by copyright, trademark, trade secret and other applicable laws as well as international treaties relating to the same. We request you to remove the above detailed website from your server. The name of the website includes our trademark and the website contains, uses and displays Sulake Content and correspondingly infringes our Intellectual Property Rights. We have a good faith belief that the copyright owner, its agent, or the law does not authorize use of the material in the manner complained of. We assure that the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that we are authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

Please send me a confirmation when you have removed this material. This letter is written without any prejudice. Sulake reserves the right to claim damages as well as any other remedy under applicable copyright and trademark legislation.

They're pretty serious it seems - what they don't seem to grasp is that I and many others only still go on the hotel because of the likes of Habbox. No fansites/Habbox = no more visits to the hotel and no more credits.

[sexpot]

A good friend of mine has found this leak, apparently this was sent to the owner of a fansite because he/she didn't comply with the enforced Sulake rules.



They're pretty serious it seems - what they don't seem to grasp is that I and many others only still go on the hotel because of the likes of Habbox. No fansites/Habbox = no more visits to the hotel and no more credits.

Did you see that on hffm? If so I think it was sent to the owner of a certain black market site, not a fansite

[-:Undertaker:-]

Did you see that on hffm? If so I think it was sent to the owner of a certain black market site, not a fansite

Was sent it, and yeah that's true - but seems they are doing a crackdown atm.

[Lucy]

I don't see the point of this if it were true, donations are completely voluntary, the only way it could be an issue is if a child takes a parents credit card or something and just goes mental? Either way I am not sure how Sulake would think people are going to pay for big fansites to continue running on their own as I know things can get expensive.

[FlyingJesus]

DMCA has nothing to do with people putting images on a site, it's about using them as though they were your own or for profit. We get around that by use of the Fair Use rules (since we don't really have all that many Habbo images, aren't making a profit off them, and aren't in competition with Habbo in any way), but Sulake are just going to hope that most fansites will be run by kids who don't know that. Almost all of our images (RV and Wiki pages aside?) are edited and therefore essentially fan art, and since we neither sell images nor to my knowledge advertise anywhere using Habbo images we aren't in breach.

The line about how the "name of the website includes our trademark" is especially ridiculous as that is not and never has been an enforceable part of copyright law; if it were then one could start a company called A and get it trademarked then sue everyone who uses the letter A in anything. Also again we are not making or intending to make a profit off the Habbo name so trademark cannot be enforced against Habbox. Habbox does not pretend to be Habbo and we have a very specific footer stating that we are not affiliates of Sulake. This is a scare tactic that they cannot uphold.

Also it doesn't look like a notice sent to a fansite owner, looks more like one sent to a webhost...

[xxMATTGxx]

I came across that from HFFM and they said it was sent to the well known black market site rather than a fansite.


A good friend of mine has found this leak, apparently this was sent to the owner of a fansite because he/she didn't comply with the enforced Sulake rules.



They're pretty serious it seems - what they don't seem to grasp is that I and many others only still go on the hotel because of the likes of Habbox. No fansites/Habbox = no more visits to the hotel and no more credits.

[e5]

Before we know it, fansites will have to pay sulake to be a(n) (official) fansite for their profit and then we will be allowed to sell VIP and everything then becomes money orientated.

[ReallyOkay]

What a shame… Sulake loves wasting time. Decisions made on the fly. Keeping those trolls fed and satisfied. Habbo is now one big platform to troll on. Search "Habbo lang:en" on twitter and almost every general public conversation revolves around nostalgia or logging in to troll. As every sensible person has said, fansites are the foundation to the Habbo community. Taking away their right to accept donations is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. Great idea, let's further alienate any loyal users. Not improve our public image. And neglect the THOUSANDS of dollars we are losing monthly. It's pretty funny that I was able to buy a typo off ebay in 06 to get some cheap coins and 7 years later people are living off their Habbo profits. No body wanted to brainstorm ideas to plug these holes? And now they decide to try taking legal action. That letter sent to the well known black-market makes me cringe. Like I suspected, this market is just going to re-brand itself and expand. If you don't already know there are several other black-markets that didn't start out as anything Habbo related, rather auction sites for virtual items in general. Literally some people are making between $3,500-5,500 selling furniture and coins every month. They don't even have to make transactions on a daily basis. You can easily find their records. #1 Black-markets aren't going to give up easily. #2 Hurling legal action at a majority of your current population (lucky to have 4,000 users logged in) is asking for death warmed up. #3 What the SKDFJEMCXLFJEKL#Q@LSDFKJ were you thinking? Are you even currently thinking?

This has spiraled into such a mess. You've reached a pinnacle when one player is able to steal $15,000 of your potential profit. And the company is worried about $5 donations. Ha. MAJOR changes and advances must to come to Habbo in the next year or it's not going to be around in 2015. I hope someone who is in contact with staff will make sure they read this entire thread. If they can't speak fluent English I'd suggest a native translator, read along pal. Please fully open your eyes Sulake.

[AgnesIO]

The whole thing is laughable. For the 200th time, banning VIP or other donations schemes will NOT make me buy from habbo. Even when I did play, I still refuse to buy from then.. 1) there prices can be destroyed on a certain *REMOVED*, but also if you get hacked or scammed or whatever, they really couldn't give a damn.

I say Habbox ignores their threats, as realistically they will NOT do anything. They need to remember that fansites have pretty much saved them over the past year...

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[Okeanos]

As every sensible person has said, fansites are the foundation to the Habbo community.

right, so anyone who thinks otherwise is according to you not sensible? fansites are not the foundation of the habbo community, if they were they then they would have many more users. i resent the idea that only fansite users contribute to the habbo community, that is not true. most popular rooms on habbo have no fansite affiliation at all.
a lot of people here think that fansites provide a service to habbo, they dont. they might provide a service to some habbo users, but that is a completely different thing. in my experience fansite users buy less credits and spend less time on habbo than non-fansite users.

[HOSKO02]

Okeanos - I'm surprised you've a) pushed for this and b) are proud of it, it seems you've gone down a dark path recently Sam for any semblance of recognition - at no matter what cost to your reputation or character, which seems to be greatly misrepresented by yourself and ironically, held in high regard.

I've been a donator to Habbox on multiple occasions, though I've surely spent more on credits over the years than I have on here. There are many reasons why I approve of this:

Sulake needs to ask themselves, why am I willing to pay for this service alongside theirs?

- Near 24/7 up-time that has continued undisturbed for years
- Quality, respected content that sets the standard for rival fan-sites
- Many users here have directly influenced the happenings in the hotel positively
- Habbox creates community events in-client all the time (more than staff I'd wager)
- More detailed content on Fansites like Habbox, Habborator etc, that they likely host more Habbo related content than the poorly designed Habbo site itself.

On a general note, fansites offer a huge margin of information about Habbo, things that Sulake has always neglected to archive and present publicly, the fansites do that job for you, for free, Sulake. A company cannot be without its history. Fansites own Wikis now, ever expanding on the sheer size and scope of Habbo related info, sponsors, timelines, digital currencies and items, controversies, influential figures etc. All this informs new players and current players about what Habbo is, was and where it is moving, all the best game franchises, TV shows, film canons and MMORPGs have successful, unofficial Wikis. All the listings of badges, furniture items and campaigns are better stored on Fansites than in-client, with most pieces ads0_looking_alot_like_this - we're always cleaning up and clarifying Sulakes mess.

Many commentators here have talked about the internalisation aspect to Sulakes recent moves, with attempts to retain centrality of control. This issue here is that increasingly online, brands have to relinquish a part of them to the wider community, officially and unofficially. Look at the benefit Twitter and Facebook give the brand, people spend money on Facebook, are they going to disassociate with them? No. Because the mutual relationship makes gains on both sides, even when a site like Habbox makes little to no gain, and throws what little it does into charitable causes. It deserves every right to be a power house of profit making glory, as its very existence hinges on the promotion of Habbo, I would've thought this obvious.

Habbo is missing a top-dollar Public Relations opporunity in promoting fansites' growth and aid to Habbo players, all the while keeping them engaged and informed on the Brand, hell, the community on this forum is 10x what transpires on the client nowadays regardless, maybe they should've brought the community forums and guestbooks back if they wanted to elbow in on that market, too bad, another poor decision for the long list. Not to mention non-direct affiliates, like Youtube (somewhat directly affiliated), Wikipedia, Archive.org, that all host content that users enjoy, the history and details on Wiki, the look, feel and imagery of the hotel on Youtube and the exploration of its history at archive.org.

If a Habbo user makes Youtube Partnership money creating Habbo videos in a 'Lets Play' or show format, are they do be attacked and removed? Or are they promoting the brand and hitting thousands of potential players daily? Look at the strength of Machinima and the Minecraft communities in this area, the views and brand image everywhere - absolutely invaluable. Maybe Paul La Fontaine could've taken his head out of his arse and slapped that on his Real-Time Social Gaming lecture slides in 2011, then perhaps he'd not be a smear on everyone's lips and comments and a continued exemplification of the failures of Sulake.

[Okeanos]

@Okeanos (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=35609) - I'm surprised you've a) pushed for this and b) are proud of it, it seems you've gone down a dark path recently Sam for any semblance of recognition - at no matter what cost to your reputation or character, which seems to be greatly misrepresented by yourself and ironically, held in high regard

oh for goodness sake how many times do i have to repeat myself? this will be the last time i say it. i did not push for this (my original post in this thread was a JOKE!) but i am pleased about this change nonetheless. that is a COMPLETELY legitimate opinion to have and does not mean im out for 'recognition' as you put it. i have always held this view because it is what i believe, please do not suggest that i have simply adopted it to get a bit of e-fame or big myself up.

i have and will always say what i think regardless of whether that opinion is popular or not. i really do not care if my 'reputation' (an odd notion, i wasn't aware i had a reputation to protect) is damaged in your eyes. do you not respect people who are honest? that is a failing on your part, not mine. your implication that anyone who agrees with this change does so only because they have an agenda and not because it is what they actually think is both facile and churlish. forums are for discussion, but you can't discuss anything unless you concede that some people do not agree with you. have you really deluded yourself into believing that everyone on habbo is opposed to this change? :rolleyes:

[Grig]

oh for goodness sake how many times do i have to repeat myself? this will be the last time i say it. i did not push for this (my original post in this thread was a JOKE!) but i am pleased about this change nonetheless. that is a COMPLETELY legitimate opinion to have and does not mean im out for 'recognition' as you put it. i have always held this view because it is what i believe, please do not suggest that i have simply adopted it to get a bit of e-fame or big myself up.

i have and will always say what i think regardless of whether that opinion is popular or not. i really do not care if my 'reputation' (an odd notion, i wasn't aware i had a reputation to protect) is damaged in your eyes. do you not respect people who are honest? that is a failing on your part, not mine. your implication that anyone who agrees with this change does so only because they have an agenda and not because it is what they actually think is both facile and churlish. forums are for discussion, but you can't discuss anything unless you concede that some people do not agree with you. have you really deluded yourself into believing that everyone on habbo is opposed to this change? :rolleyes:

Before forming an opinion, I would think you would need to read up on some definitions of words, such as "taking" money. No one is taking anyones money here. People donate at their own free-will, I'm unsure in which crazy deluded dream you made up the fact that fansites were taking people's money away.

The fact of the matter is, it's extremely hypocritical of you to use an enjoy a fansite since December 2006 and then decide to go against it and report some thing. If you're so extremely unhappy over fansites asking for mere donations to help with the tough server costs or costs for competitions etc. then no one is asking you to visit, and have this holier-than-thou attitude of 'Look I spoke to Powertoo and woo fansites aren't getting anymore donations'. You come across in an almost mocking fashion, so I'm sure you expected no sympathy from this thread.

You're fluffing around a lot and not giving any concrete positives that this step will actually create. All you're doing is saying oh look how great this is, rather than presenting an argument. No one is going to take you seriously by what you've said so far otherwise.

[Jackeld]

well in this case, if having the opportunity there for fansite members to donate at there own free will, then surely it is wrong for habbo/sulake to have a "purchase credits section".

> donate to habbox/any other fansite and you get bigger avatars, coloured name etc.
> donate to habbo and you get credits.

There's not much of a difference really; especially when the argument extends from "asking users for money".

[Special]

are sulake really ceasing donator subscriptions on forums because they think it's diverting users from purchasing credits directly from them? haha more fool them they're biting the hand that feeds them by driving their own user base away, sulake surely should be promoting this type of community (donator and all) not killing it off, especially since players have been in decline since 2010

this is the beginning of the end for habbo, i can't see habbo lasting much longer if they have this kind of greedy sentiment

[Okeanos]

Before forming an opinion, I would think you would need to read up on some definitions of words, such as "taking" money. No one is taking anyones money here. People donate at their own free-will, I'm unsure in which crazy deluded dream you made up the fact that fansites were taking people's money away.

The fact of the matter is, it's extremely hypocritical of you to use an enjoy a fansite since December 2006 and then decide to go against it and report some thing. If you're so extremely unhappy over fansites asking for mere donations to help with the tough server costs or costs for competitions etc. then no one is asking you to visit, and have this holier-than-thou attitude of 'Look I spoke to Powertoo and woo fansites aren't getting anymore donations'. You come across in an almost mocking fashion, so I'm sure you expected no sympathy from this thread.

You're fluffing around a lot and not giving any concrete positives that this step will actually create. All you're doing is saying oh look how great this is, rather than presenting an argument. No one is going to take you seriously by what you've said so far otherwise.

if you want to have a discussion about the definition of the word 'taking' then fine, but you do take the money which is offered to you so i dont understand what point youre trying to make. it seems to me that you are splitting hairs, presumably because you have no other argument to make.

either you didn't read my post or you are putting words in my mouth. let me be very clear, i did not report habbox, i said to powertoo (in a room where a large group of habbos were discussing fansites) that many still accept money from their users. i was not the only person to say this and staff know this happens anyway. i do not care how i come across to be perfectly honest, i have given my opinion without being rude or offensive to anyone (which is more than half in this thread have done). its amusing that you think everyone who uses habbox has some sort of obligation to defend it. if you want my allegiance then youre going to have to earn it. i come here sometimes to post on the forum, does that mean i cant express a negative opinion about fanistes? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Grig]

if you want to have a discussion about the definition of the word 'taking' then fine, but you do take the money which is offered to you so i dont understand what point youre trying to make. it seems to me that you are splitting hairs, presumably because you have no other argument to make.

either you didn't read my post or you are putting words in my mouth. let me be very clear, i did not report habbox, i said to powertoo (in a room where a large group of habbos were discussing fansites) that many still accept money from their users. i was not the only person to say this and staff know this happens anyway. i do not care how i come across to be perfectly honest, i have given my opinion without being rude or offensive to anyone (which is more than half in this thread have done). its amusing that you think everyone who uses habbox has some sort of obligation to defend it. if you want my allegiance then youre going to have to earn it. i come here sometimes to post on the forum, does that mean i cant express a negative opinion about fanistes? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Oh sly move turning it right back at me, bravo!

As to you visiting fansites, you supporting the removal of precious funding from them, could make a few struggle and even eventually become defunct. We defend the system, not Habbox itself. The system does not "take" money from users as I have echoed in my previous point, we accept donations at the user's free will. You may say that I'm simply rephrasing it, but that is a completely different tone.

In that case, you could say Habbo is taking money from users, Ebay and just about every other pay service on the internet. That argument is completely defunct. Let's go around and close the Red Cross website, because they are taking money. How dare they, those evil warlords.

[Dessi]

I'm personally completely against donations being taken away. Registering it as a NPO would be the smartest thing to do if Habbo Staff aren't lenient on this policy, but this makes me laugh- Habbo charges for "extra" services, i.e. HC, but their fansites aren't now able to do the same? Anyways, donations in some form or another will always happen. Right now, I'm donating my time to type this, like I was donating my time earlier to read the replies and this thread in general.

Also, I'd really like to see that email. I'm on HxF all the time to read but I made an account to reply to this post, that's how annoyed/angry I am at Staff trying to shut it down.