Habbox Staff Structure

[Kardan]

A lovely easy to read format...

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i93/Kardan-habbo/HxFChartFinal.png~original

HxL are doing pretty well...

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[OldLoveSong]

i wanan amke one of those :P but yh seems pretty accurate lol

[e5]

Ofc HxL is going to be the biggest

[MKR&*42]

What do the colours mean

OH THEYRE ON THE RIGHT OH OKAY IM GOING TO CRY AT HOW I DIDNT REALISE

[Calum0812]

Love it Kardan; :D

[Recursion]

It's wrong anyway. Site Coders fall under Technical.

[despect]

Ofc HxL is going to be the biggest

Well yeah it is one of the biggest departments however, we went from like 50 staff members in the summer to like... 30 now we're back up at 49 i believe so yeah i'm happy :D

Nice chart :).

[Kardan]

It's wrong anyway. Site Coders fall under Technical.

I didn't know where to put Chippiewill :(

Plus I've not put on debates leader, since it doesn't really fit anywhere :P

[Demi]

This is brilliant :)

[David]

Well yeah it is one of the biggest departments however, we went from like 50 staff members in the summer to like... 30 now we're back up at 49 i believe so yeah i'm happy :D

Nice chart :).

so the hxl motto is quantity over quality?

[mrwoooooooo]

so the hxl motto is quantity over quality?

for hxl, sure why not?

[Samantha]

Glad I've got new trialists now lmao.

[Jurv]

oh dear news is slacking

[despect]

so the hxl motto is quantity over quality?

No i was simply pointing out that we have had a huge staff increase however, i haven't seen complaints about the quality unless my PM box is somewhat broken? :P.

[FlyingJesus]

HxL is easily the best department we have at the moment in terms of quantity AND quality, which shows improvements in their area but also a huge loss elsewhere since HxL used to be the butt of all staff quality jokes. HxL, HxF, and potentially (but to a lesser extent) HxHD and comps are the only departments currently pulling their weight from what I can see. I'm sure plenty of indignant workshy staff will claim that there's a lot going on behind the scenes but that excuse has been used for far too long and as there are still little to no visible results it's no excuse at all

[Shar]

interesting

[lawrawrrr]

This is really interesting to see! Love it.


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[Chris]

Interesting!

[Phil]

Ooer this is interesting! Bored I see? :P

[Samantha]

oh dear news is slacking

Lazy (ex) managers usually.

Since when was mdport.; Senior Events, congrats Matt I didn't know :P.

[lemons]

Congrats HxL team you have turned yourselves around

[Explorator]

Very good, I like that.

Bloody hell, 34 members in habboxlive :O

[Matt]

Since when was @mdport. (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=67543); Senior Events, congrats Matt I didn't know :P.

Thanks Sam haha, Since the weekend ;)

[Nick]

interesting!!!!

[Michael]

what happened to all the news staff

[ihatehash]

HxL is easily the best department we have at the moment in terms of quantity AND quality, which shows improvements in their area but also a huge loss elsewhere since HxL used to be the butt of all staff quality jokes. HxL, HxF, and potentially (but to a lesser extent) HxHD and comps are the only departments currently pulling their weight from what I can see. I'm sure plenty of indignant workshy staff will claim that there's a lot going on behind the scenes but that excuse has been used for far too long and as there are still little to no visible results it's no excuse at all

If events had 50 staff members we'd be doing great too!

[Kardan]

If events had 50 staff members we'd be doing great too!

If you count more empty events and more bingo variations as doing well, then sure. Events needs to be improved in other ways, more staff won't solve things.

[ihatehash]

If you count more empty events and more bingo variations as doing well, then sure. Events needs to be improved in other ways, more staff won't solve things.

Good point. What are some ways you would try to improve events?

[Kardan]

Good point. What are some ways you would try to improve events?

Personally I think having people (mostly staff) loitering around in the room having private conversations is a big issue.

[Samantha]

what happened to all the news staff

Not completely sure (although I have some ideas, but this was ages ago). The staff structure for News has changed though yay.

Interesting, I think most staff totals have increased in the last couple of months which is always great to see!

[Daltron]

That's a lot more people in Content and Graphics that I thought..

[Mr-Trainor]

Very interesting, something like this should be done regularly. +rep. Admittedly, Rare Values haven't been doing well in terms of staff numbers :(.

[GoldenMerc]

Very interesting, something like this should be done regularly. +rep. Admittedly, Rare Values haven't been doing well in terms of staff numbers :(.

cos you wouldnt hire me;l

[AgnesIO]

Good point. What are some ways you would try to improve events?

There has been SO many recommendations for events over the past month or so - just events job to actually implement them...

[Chug!]

it's great to see something like this. many departments have failed to keep numbers up - HxL have improved, however it's about them dis pulling the weight. At the moment there are still the same few always on HxL.

Events also, need more staff to get back to at least 15/16hrs a day being filled with events. At the moment, unfortunately it's not like that.


Good chart!:)

[Inseriousity.]

I may have misunderstood the graph but if the numbers on the side don't include management+seniors (I'm guessing not cos of the word 'ordinary') then if you include those in the numbers, it means there are 19 eos which is definitely not as bad as people are making out. It roughly has around 20-30 so its not far out the norm. Ofc, judging how well departments are doing based on staff quantity isn't very accurate anyway.

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah my views on who does well isn't really based on this chart (or certainly not solely anyway) as clearly events has enough staff to be doing adequately but is somehow struggling to hit double figures on events each day, then content similarly has plenty of people all doing nothing, and then who even knows what RV do any more but they have more staff than news (what the hell is going on there) and the same as graphics and forum. Back when I was involved with the GM team it was the job of the Staff AGM to make sure departments had enough staff and not too many for unnecessary roles but then again we don't really have a Staff AGM any more we just have a perms guy who turns up when he feels like it

[Inseriousity.]

Well again, I think the underlying problem is general management and lack of leadership and I've seen no action plan I requested cos that would involve having their own ideas.

[FlyingJesus]

Definitely, the only role they seem to serve at the moment is stopping managers from putting things into action for their departments

[Calum0812]

That's a lot more people in Content and Graphics that I thought..
Nice to see both of the numbers increasing and the activity of those staff is also good :P


it's great to see something like this. many departments have failed to keep numbers up - HxL have improved, however it's about them dis pulling the weight. At the moment there are still the same few always on HxL.
Obviously that's something Radio Management are looking into and there are always encouragements for people to DJ in the form of points systems and competitions etc. Now that we have a fresh bunch of, from what I've seen so far, very enthusiastic trialists, I think the department will only continue to improve!

[Kardan]

I may have misunderstood the graph but if the numbers on the side don't include management+seniors (I'm guessing not cos of the word 'ordinary') then if you include those in the numbers, it means there are 19 eos which is definitely not as bad as people are making out. It roughly has around 20-30 so its not far out the norm. Ofc, judging how well departments are doing based on staff quantity isn't very accurate anyway.

Yup, numbers don't include senior staff or managers.

[xxMATTGxx]

Definitely, the only role they seem to serve at the moment is stopping managers from putting things into action for their departments

No one has stopped any managers putting anything into place. There might have been one specific person in General Management who may have stopped certain changes in the past couple of months but I've not heard of them stopping anything since.

[Kardan]

Also, I'm pretty impressed I got a thread moved out of spam, I was going to put it in feedback initially, but since the main post itself wasn't really providing feedback as such, I just stuck it in spam. Nice to see people actually engaging in the data at least.

Whilst people are quick to say quality over quantity, I think HxL still wins in that department.

Other noticeable things:

News is lacking in staff, Rare Values is pretty low (but do they need the staff?)

HxHD has a surprising amount of staff members, and the high numbers of trialists (along with HxL) would suggests that the new managers are doing good work at getting new staff in.

Assistant managers look like they're becoming a thing of the past, not sure if that's good or not. Co-managers only seem to be introduced for different time zones at the moment, but as I said before, seems to be working well.

Why do content and graphics not have any senior staff?

Oh, and people say that Samanfa; and lawrawrrr; do a lot of work in various departments, but a big shoutout to Shonly; who is managing and a senior in two departments. Working her way up in the various different ladders I see :)

[Tom]

Also, I'm pretty impressed I got a thread moved out of spam, I was going to put it in feedback initially, but since the main post itself wasn't really providing feedback as such, I just stuck it in spam. Nice to see people actually engaging in the data at least.

Whilst people are quick to say quality over quantity, I think HxL still wins in that department.

Other noticeable things:

News is lacking in staff, Rare Values is pretty low (but do they need the staff?)

HxHD has a surprising amount of staff members, and the high numbers of trialists (along with HxL) would suggests that the new managers are doing good work at getting new staff in.

Assistant managers look like they're becoming a thing of the past, not sure if that's good or not. Co-managers only seem to be introduced for different time zones at the moment, but as I said before, seems to be working well.

Why do content and graphics not have any senior staff?

Oh, and people say that Samanfa; and lawrawrrr; do a lot of work in various departments, but a big shoutout to Shonly; who is managing and a senior in two departments. Working her way up in the various different ladders I see :)

As it stands, smaller departments (such as 4-5 staff members) aren't desperate for a senior. We do have plans in one or two departments, though, since they're actually increasing in staff. So we'll see how that goes.

[lawrawrrr]

I'll reply properly later but I do think that there is a bit of an awkward problem that's the elephant in the room at Habbox, in that yes, AGMs are doing things, but they're not doing anything new and/or exciting: keeping it ticking over.

Senior staff, I believe that every department should have one. I am just waiting on confirmation then will be promoting someone in content! I believe that if you don't have senior staff OR an assistant manager then it can sometimes be hard for a normal staff member to adjust when it comes to promotion. However, some departments just don't have the need for it, like graphics.

also I would like to say I'm so happy that Content is increasing in size, I'm aiming to keep pushing this number up as then we can be working on a lot more, and bigger, projects!


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[Kardan]

As it stands, smaller departments (such as 4-5 staff members) aren't desperate for a senior. We do have plans in one or two departments, though, since they're actually increasing in staff. So we'll see how that goes.

I feel like I'd agree with you if we were talking about assistant managers, but becoming senior staff is really the only way to get any sort of promotion in the smaller departments, at least until the manager resigns.

[Inseriousity.]

Co-managers are a thing more because seperating them would involve making a tough decision and it's much easier to say fine you can both have it. This isn't really a criticism of any current joint managers though and it's not necessarily a choice that can have any drastic negative impact (although as with most things, it could be troubling in a pair of different hands) so it's harmless even if the reasoning behind it lacks any backbone.

As for general management stopping things, I don't think that's true. It's more a case of not pushing things through. Radical changes are treated with kids gloves and that often undermines them allowing the staff/members who don't like said change to change it back.

PS. Smaller departments do not need seniors. If they've been trained properly/have the right attitude then it is not a huge leap from staff to management.

[Tom]

I feel like I'd agree with you if we were talking about assistant managers, but becoming senior staff is really the only way to get any sort of promotion in the smaller departments, at least until the manager resigns.

I see where you're coming from and, again, I do agree. However again in smaller departments it's harder for them to actually get any extra roles, without becoming an Assistant Manager. There could be the odd "look at people's graphics, make sure they're all of perfect standard" and what not, but that's basically the manager's job and because there's a staff amount on the lesser side, there's no point. They're not exactly (or definitely shouldn't be) struggling.

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As for general management stopping things, I don't think that's true.

Let's just say, it's a large mixture of both for some AGMs.

[Inseriousity.]

If there is no faith in said AGMs then I would say it applies to all of them as you need backbone to fire them too. Patiently twiddling thumbs and waiting for them to resign (which Matt did with me) isn't good enough either.
Good point about the seniors though. True story about the assistant competitions manager role. Alex3213 was my senior for ages and it wasn't until a staff quota was introduced that excluded managers that he was "promoted" to assistant manager. He had the exact same role but it just allowed me to have an extra member of staff (although obviously Alex was a great manager/senior too so he deserved the title as well!).

[Kardan]

Then why not just introduce the senior title to the more experienced staff members in those departments? They're doesn't have to be any extra job roles if there are none to give, but at least it gives something to aim towards. I'm pretty sure the difference between my 'Lecturers' and 'Senior Lecturers' at Uni are just that the seniors have been there longer and end up on a better pay scale :P

To be fair, I wasn't even aware that senior staff in some departments had a different role than ordinary staff, just that they were the experienced ones. I can understand that senior staff have a role in larger departments thatcan be team based (HxL, HxHD etc.) but News, Rare Values and possibly Events?

[Inseriousity.]

There's a lot of admin work in each department that is vital to keeping things ticking and the seniors are often those trusted to help out with that. Giving someone a title that has no meaning would only appeal to the ambitious in the department who often work hard anyway with their eyes on the manager prize. That and it's even more likely to be a role for the best friend rather than the best worker in the department. At least when there are roles attached, managers have to think twice about just giving it away to anyone because those tasks need to be done.

[FlyingJesus]

Don't people tend to know who the longer serving staff members in a department are anyway? Having the word senior tacked onto their usertitle would in half the departments mean nothing since you don't get paid or anything anyway. Also if you had a really really good team that worked amazingly with each other for a long time you'd end up with a department of all seniors :P

if

[Kardan]

Maybe it can be used after X months in the smaller departments then? A bit like Habbox merit. Would stop it just being given out to favourites and would actually reward hard workers, and it *might* stop so many people from dipping in and out of every other department so many times. I mean, you're right, it would mean pretty much nothing, but it's just a nice incentive. Anyways, doesn't sound like it would be needed much anyway if content is getting a senior soon anyway. Would only leave graphics and comps? Just an idea anyway :P

[Tom]

If there is no faith in said AGMs then I would say it applies to all of them as you need backbone to fire them too. Patiently twiddling thumbs and waiting for them to resign (which Matt did with me) isn't good enough either.
Good point about the seniors though. True story about the assistant competitions manager role. Alex3213 was my senior for ages and it wasn't until a staff quota was introduced that excluded managers that he was "promoted" to assistant manager. He had the exact same role but it just allowed me to have an extra member of staff (although obviously Alex was a great manager/senior too so he deserved the title as well!).

I'm saying nothing, tbh.


Maybe it can be used after X months in the smaller departments then? A bit like Habbox merit. Would stop it just being given out to favourites and would actually reward hard workers, and it *might* stop so many people from dipping in and out of every other department so many times. I mean, you're right, it would mean pretty much nothing, but it's just a nice incentive. Anyways, doesn't sound like it would be needed much anyway if content is getting a senior soon anyway. Would only leave graphics and comps? Just an idea anyway :P

This would probably cause a lot of commotion and is also an unneeded promotion and a time waste, IMO. Like has been said above, it's pretty obvious who's been in the department for longer and who is the most experienced. It would be wrong to give someone a senior role based on the X amounts of months they've been there. The position is given to an entrusted staff member to help out with smaller management duties, thus making the manager's job easier. It seems pointless giving a "senior" role to someone with absolutely no benefits whatsoever. Or is there something I've missed?

[FlyingJesus]

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[lawrawrrr]

Competitions COULD have a senior, which would just go round having a bit more authority but not much, I mean, it could help but there's no real NEED for it I guess? Graphics, the same, as Nick's an international manager and half the staff are GMT it would be good to have a senior who could give feedback and things but I know as normal staff, I do this anyway.

[Kardan]

I'm saying nothing, tbh.



This would probably cause a lot of commotion and is also an unneeded promotion and a time waste, IMO. Like has been said above, it's pretty obvious who's been in the department for longer and who is the most experienced. It would be wrong to give someone a senior role based on the X amounts of months they've been there. The position is given to an entrusted staff member to help out with smaller management duties, thus making the manager's job easier. It seems pointless giving a "senior" role to someone with absolutely no benefits whatsoever. Or is there something I've missed?

No, it's just a bad idea :P

But why do we have senior staff in News and Rare Values then? They're the two smallest departments, and to be fair, probably have the least workload.

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Oh, it's on there, just each segment is scaled to the amount of work hours that have been put in to each department ;)

[Inseriousity.]

Competitions couldn't have a senior unless you have 2 assistant managers as I've already explained they're interchangeable and the department is small enough that if a manager goes away for a bit then the department is small enough to manage with just one. I don't really think the lack of progression is the cause of the high staff turnover for news/content/graphics, especially not news as they actually do have seniors (well heads but same thing really). It's because they're highly skilled roles that require a lot of effort. Most people can write competitions, host an event, help out in hxhd. It takes someone who genuinely wants to be there and write/make graphics to last long in those departments. I would say creating roles for the sake of having them would actually do more harm than good as there'd be a lot of resentment and frustration built up and the reason I think competitions (I can only really talk extensively about this one) gets on so well is that it often doesn't attract the ambitious and/or powerhungry types precisely because there isn't much room for progression.

[Tom]

No, it's just a bad idea :P

But why do we have senior staff in News and Rare Values then? They're the two smallest departments, and to be fair, probably have the least workload.

One of the two comes with helpful roles. The other, well the manager needs aid. An assistant could in fact be promoted there, however, but I think it would be better to leave as a senior position. At least, for now.

[Aiden]

you'd of had like 1 more person in 5 departments if you didn't fire me -cries
;)

[Samantha]

Then why not just introduce the senior title to the more experienced staff members in those departments? They're doesn't have to be any extra job roles if there are none to give, but at least it gives something to aim towards. I'm pretty sure the difference between my 'Lecturers' and 'Senior Lecturers' at Uni are just that the seniors have been there longer and end up on a better pay scale :P

To be fair, I wasn't even aware that senior staff in some departments had a different role than ordinary staff, just that they were the experienced ones. I can understand that senior staff have a role in larger departments thatcan be team based (HxL, HxHD etc.) but News, Rare Values and possibly Events?

In News the senior helps edit news reports and sometimes does reports - not many extra roles and really it's not that much different than an (Assistant) Manager. However, a senior role allows someone to get that experience and feel for the management role before actually being it, plus sometimes we're actually not allowed to have X or Y as the assistant therefore the senior is usually the next best thing.

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I'm saying nothing, tbh.



This would probably cause a lot of commotion and is also an unneeded promotion and a time waste, IMO. Like has been said above, it's pretty obvious who's been in the department for longer and who is the most experienced. It would be wrong to give someone a senior role based on the X amounts of months they've been there. The position is given to an entrusted staff member to help out with smaller management duties, thus making the manager's job easier. It seems pointless giving a "senior" role to someone with absolutely no benefits whatsoever. Or is there something I've missed?

Cough when I was content senior you didn't give me extra roles even when I asked/offered to do some things for you :(!

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Competitions COULD have a senior, which would just go round having a bit more authority but not much, I mean, it could help but there's no real NEED for it I guess? Graphics, the same, as Nick's an international manager and half the staff are GMT it would be good to have a senior who could give feedback and things but I know as normal staff, I do this anyway.

Yeah I agree with this, in Competitions we can also give feedback, but I sometimes feel like it's not a normal staff member's place to say and that we'd be seen as trying to act superior if we did (it's happened before, I'm not just speculating).

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No, it's just a bad idea :P

But why do we have senior staff in News and Rare Values then? They're the two smallest departments, and to be fair, probably have the least workload.

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Oh, it's on there, just each segment is scaled to the amount of work hours that have been put in to each department ;)

Actually, providing staff do the work correct I believe Rare Values has a big workload, when I was in the minimum was changed to I think 40 values and in order to meet your minimum X% had to be approved. 40 may not seem like much, but if you're going in shops and taking trades yourself it can take a while.

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One of the two comes with helpful roles. The other, well the manager needs aid. An assistant could in fact be promoted there, however, but I think it would be better to leave as a senior position. At least, for now.

Ah beat me to it as I know you're talking about me :P. Although, they do both have helpful roles it just so happens the roles in News is near enough assistant - in fairness so is Rare Values, the head aids the manager.

[Tom]

Cough when I was content senior you didn't give me extra roles even when I asked/offered to do some things for you :(!

At the time, it wasn't needed. Hence why you got demoted to regular staff in the end.


Ah beat me to it as I know you're talking about me :P. Although, they do both have helpful roles it just so happens the roles in News is near enough assistant - in fairness so is Rare Values, the head aids the manager.

Actually, I wasn't talking about you - so good way to jump the gun :)

[Samantha]

At the time, it wasn't needed. Hence why you got demoted to regular staff in the end.



Actually, I wasn't talking about you - so good way to jump the gun :)

I wasn't jumping the gun, but I know how both me and Luke are at the moment and I believe we're both in the same boat unfortunately :(!

I wasn't demoted, you just said the senior name was being removed shh. Also, it could have been needed, but not until months after which is a shame.

[FlyingJesus]

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Rarest sight you'll ever see in a feedback thread

And yes I have myself on my friends list

[Kardan]

http://i40.tinypic.com/10qx85t.png

Rarest sight you'll ever see in a feedback thread

And yes I have myself on my friends list

Maybe they're having a Skype meeting and discussing points together? :P

[Inseriousity.]

Or they're having an argument about all the not-very-subtle messages from Matt and Tom lmao

[Mr-Trainor]

Also, I'm pretty impressed I got a thread moved out of spam, I was going to put it in feedback initially, but since the main post itself wasn't really providing feedback as such, I just stuck it in spam. Nice to see people actually engaging in the data at least.


Whilst people are quick to say quality over quantity, I think HxL still wins in that department.


Other noticeable things:


News is lacking in staff, Rare Values is pretty low (but do they need the staff?)


HxHD has a surprising amount of staff members, and the high numbers of trialists (along with HxL) would suggests that the new managers are doing good work at getting new staff in.


Assistant managers look like they're becoming a thing of the past, not sure if that's good or not. Co-managers only seem to be introduced for different time zones at the moment, but as I said before, seems to be working well.


Why do content and graphics not have any senior staff?


Oh, and people say that @Samanfa; and @lawrawrrr; do a lot of work in various departments, but a big shoutout to @Shonly; who is managing and a senior in two departments. Working her way up in the various different ladders I see
1) Rare Values does need a lot more staff. Unfortunately we still have to value every item available on Habbo at the moment, and recent stats by myself showed the average item would be updated every few months. Since then we have had 2 new trialists though and I'm hoping that's the beginning of seeing more interest in the department :).
2) If we had more staff in Rare Values, there'd definitely be an assistant. Having said that, the HRVR role is a lot more like what the A/RVM used to be.



Then why not just introduce the senior title to the more experienced staff members in those departments? They're doesn't have to be any extra job roles if there are none to give, but at least it gives something to aim towards. I'm pretty sure the difference between my 'Lecturers' and 'Senior Lecturers' at Uni are just that the seniors have been there longer and end up on a better pay scale


To be fair, I wasn't even aware that senior staff in some departments had a different role than ordinary staff, just that they were the experienced ones. I can understand that senior staff have a role in larger departments thatcan be team based (HxL, HxHD etc.) but News, Rare Values and possibly Events?
Senior staff in rare values is extremely important because they're the ones who tend to do most of the value moderation. i.e. The role is a lot different to normal staff.


cos you wouldnt hire me;l
Couldn't* :(.

[Chippiewill]

I didn't know where to put Chippiewill :(

I come under matt and skybus.

[FlyingJesus]

tmi there Jin

[!x!dude!x!2]

News only has 4 people ?

[Samantha]

News only has 4 people ?

6 actually!

[AgnesIO]

Must be an easy dept to become a manager in..

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[!x!dude!x!2]

6 actually!

sorry :( was going by the chart

[Samantha]

sorry :( was going by the chart

Yeah we grew woo :D. Admittedly trialists, but they look promising!

[!x!dude!x!2]

Yeah we grew woo :D. Admittedly trialists, but they look promising!

Good luck :) hope they pass

[FlyingJesus]

Wonder if any of the new trialists will go ahead with forum integration or are they being taught not to again with the excuse that a past manager didn't understand it... seems to have completely disappeared without a trace since Sam last said she'd get onto it

[Nick]

Although a senior for graphics could be implemented i don't really think it is needed. As laura had said a senior could comment on the staff graphics but that is what the normal staff do anyway so I don't see the point. I am not desperate for an assistant manager right now either.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Interesting graph, it stood out to me how many departments don't seem to have Assistant Managers anymore... due to low staff numbers I guess. Well done to HabboxLive though for such a high number of staff, I think the highest we achieved in Rare Values was around 25 but that was back in 2006/2007. How times change. :P

[Mr-Trainor]

Interesting graph, it stood out to me how many departments don't seem to have Assistant Managers anymore... due to low staff numbers I guess. Well done to HabboxLive though for such a high number of staff, I think the highest we achieved in Rare Values was around 25 but that was back in 2006/2007. How times change. :P
I remember when we used to receive so many applications that we had no choice but to decline many people!

[Grig]

I'll reply properly later but I do think that there is a bit of an awkward problem that's the elephant in the room at Habbox, in that yes, AGMs are doing things, but they're not doing anything new and/or exciting: keeping it ticking over.

Senior staff, I believe that every department should have one. I am just waiting on confirmation then will be promoting someone in content! I believe that if you don't have senior staff OR an assistant manager then it can sometimes be hard for a normal staff member to adjust when it comes to promotion. However, some departments just don't have the need for it, like graphics.

also I would like to say I'm so happy that Content is increasing in size, I'm aiming to keep pushing this number up as then we can be working on a lot more, and bigger, projects!


on phone xx

I could not disagree with you more on this point. Let's take news, for example and the promotion of someone to senior when the department had on average less than 4 staff members for a period. I know news and I know it doesn't take a bundle of time to sift through articles to find errors, and by bringing in a senior for such a little amount of staff members is fundamentally wrong and just shows one thing, that you as a manager are lazy. I was in news management for a little over 7 months and not once in that period did we ever require a senior member of staff, for a staffing team that often exceeded 13, 14, 15 people. Sure, now that numbers a growing and you're managing alone, a senior (although still not entirely necessary) is OK, but really it was silly to bring someone in when you did have low numbers. I know how significantly opposed Jin; was in having one (actually ended up firing an AGM as a result).

Speaking of news, Samanfa; why do you keep bringing in the same individual to a senior position, then that individual does not do significant amounts of work and ends up leaving after a few weeks. It simply looks bad. They're not there anymore, just asking about the thinking process for a decision like that. It looks like this individual is merely coming in for a position and is unwilling to work for it.

But on a positive note, well done for getting the team up to 6 in terms of numbers, hopefully they are all off great quality!

[Kardan]

If senior staff are in News and Rare Values at the moment, and they're essentially in that role to help out with managers - why aren't they assistant manager? What is the difference between senior and assistant manager in these departments? From what I've heard, they sound the same.

[lawrawrrr]

In News, when there's so little staff, having two managers made it very awkward, the same would be true in Content I believe, in that they have different roles. Rare Values & News Seniors approve what the staff do, but shouldn't really make managerial decisions, I'm working out what to do with Content senior at the moment but it'll be pretty much the same thing: to keep an eye on updates.

Having thought about it, I do agree with Grig; and Skynus; that in small departments a senior is not always needed and it does promote laziness for the manager at times - unless it's so the manager can work on a fantastic amazing project

[Empired]

Maybe it can be used after X months in the smaller departments then? A bit like Habbox merit. Would stop it just being given out to favourites and would actually reward hard workers, and it *might* stop so many people from dipping in and out of every other department so many times. I mean, you're right, it would mean pretty much nothing, but it's just a nice incentive. Anyways, doesn't sound like it would be needed much anyway if content is getting a senior soon anyway. Would only leave graphics and comps? Just an idea anyway :P

I haven't read through the rest of the thread yet so I don't know if this has been mentioned already but promoting someone after a certain number of months probably isn't a great idea. Just because someone has been in a department for a long time doesn't mean they are necessarily the best. I can think of a number of people who have been surfing in a department as normal staff for months and months because they simply aren't motivated enough to do extra work and earn themselves a promotion.

I could also use the example of Jade (Foregetfuhl) in HxL to show that just because you're new doesn't mean you're not going to be as good. Foregetfuhl; didn't you stay on HxL for like 11 hours in a row once because you didn't want the radio to go offline? AND that was when you were a trialist if my memory of the congratulations thread is correct. If we implemented the whole "promotion after X months" scheme, fantastic new staff would be ignored simply for being new. If you see what I mean :P

[lawrawrrr]

I haven't read through the rest of the thread yet so I don't know if this has been mentioned already but promoting someone after a certain number of months probably isn't a great idea. Just because someone has been in a department for a long time doesn't mean they are necessarily the best. I can think of a number of people who have been surfing in a department as normal staff for months and months because they simply aren't motivated enough to do extra work and earn themselves a promotion.

I could also use the example of Jade (Foregetfuhl) in HxL to show that just because you're new doesn't mean you're not going to be as good. @Foregetfuhl (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=104248); didn't you stay on HxL for like 11 hours in a row once because you didn't want the radio to go offline? AND that was when you were a trialist if my memory of the congratulations thread is correct. If we implemented the whole "promotion after X months" scheme, fantastic new staff would be ignored simply for being new. If you see what I mean :P

Definitely agree with this. I'd never promote someone on how long they'd been there, unless they were genuinely the best. Which sometimes they are, and sometimes it's frowned upon by members of the community if they're overlooked for a promotion (look at Jade being promoted to manager over say, Samanfa who's been here for ages), mainly because they don't know often how much work that people does, but it's hard for us to justify ourselves at times.

To the second part also yes, so true - like I did 30 DJ slots in my first month, but have barely reached the minimum since, so wouldn't even be expected to be considered for a promotion. Often experience is good for roles, but not always necessary. Look at you, Sophie and Hayden, not being managers before (Hayden not even Events Senior, I believe?) but all seem to be doing a very good job!

[Mr-Trainor]

If senior staff are in News and Rare Values at the moment, and they're essentially in that role to help out with managers - why aren't they assistant manager? What is the difference between senior and assistant manager in these departments? From what I've heard, they sound the same.
For Rare Values there isn't really any difference other than manager responsibility e.g. sorting permissions requests but also writing weekly and monthly reviews and just managing the staff. However, I wouldn't currently be allowed an ARVM unless staff numbers were a bit higher.

In News, when there's so little staff, having two managers made it very awkward, the same would be true in Content I believe, in that they have different roles. Rare Values & News Seniors approve what the staff do, but shouldn't really make managerial decisions, I'm working out what to do with Content senior at the moment but it'll be pretty much the same thing: to keep an eye on updates.

Having thought about it, I do agree with @Grig (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=8106); and @Skynus (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=66909); that in small departments a senior is not always needed and it does promote laziness for the manager at times - unless it's so the manager can work on a fantastic amazing project
Tbh it really depends on the department, and for Rare Values there is no way would I have time to go through approving hundreds of values every week by myself on top of everything else that's required as RVM.

[lawrawrrr]

For Rare Values there isn't really any difference other than manager responsibility e.g. sorting permissions requests but also writing weekly and monthly reviews and just managing the staff. However, I wouldn't currently be allowed an ARVM unless staff numbers were a bit higher.

Tbh it really depends on the department, and for Rare Values there is no way would I have time to go through approving hundreds of values every week by myself on top of everything else that's required as RVM.

yeah I would agree that a senior person is needed in RV for that reason, with the pure volume. Only way not to would be to not approve values :p

[Kardan]

I haven't read through the rest of the thread yet so I don't know if this has been mentioned already but promoting someone after a certain number of months probably isn't a great idea. Just because someone has been in a department for a long time doesn't mean they are necessarily the best. I can think of a number of people who have been surfing in a department as normal staff for months and months because they simply aren't motivated enough to do extra work and earn themselves a promotion.

I could also use the example of Jade (Foregetfuhl) in HxL to show that just because you're new doesn't mean you're not going to be as good. Foregetfuhl; didn't you stay on HxL for like 11 hours in a row once because you didn't want the radio to go offline? AND that was when you were a trialist if my memory of the congratulations thread is correct. If we implemented the whole "promotion after X months" scheme, fantastic new staff would be ignored simply for being new. If you see what I mean :P

I said you could introduce that scheme to departments that don't have a different role for senior staff, so it wouldn't apply to HxL since they do have a different job role for senior staff.

But for other departments (E.g content, graphics) it wouldn't matter if new staff were overlooked for promotions, since under the current system, everyone is overlooked for promotion since there is no method of promotion.

Anyway, the idea was already shot down, so it doesn't matter :P

[Samantha]

I could not disagree with you more on this point. Let's take news, for example and the promotion of someone to senior when the department had on average less than 4 staff members for a period. I know news and I know it doesn't take a bundle of time to sift through articles to find errors, and by bringing in a senior for such a little amount of staff members is fundamentally wrong and just shows one thing, that you as a manager are lazy. I was in news management for a little over 7 months and not once in that period did we ever require a senior member of staff, for a staffing team that often exceeded 13, 14, 15 people. Sure, now that numbers a growing and you're managing alone, a senior (although still not entirely necessary) is OK, but really it was silly to bring someone in when you did have low numbers. I know how significantly opposed Jin; was in having one (actually ended up firing an AGM as a result).

Speaking of news, Samanfa; why do you keep bringing in the same individual to a senior position, then that individual does not do significant amounts of work and ends up leaving after a few weeks. It simply looks bad. They're not there anymore, just asking about the thinking process for a decision like that. It looks like this individual is merely coming in for a position and is unwilling to work for it.

But on a positive note, well done for getting the team up to 6 in terms of numbers, hopefully they are all off great quality!

I'm sure I said why I have a senior at the moment, if I didn't then apologies. If you look in the management away thread you may see the trouble in the last couple of months I've had with my Internet, this has come at a time when it's getting closer to Christmas and now I'm expected to work more hours at work (irl). I should be doing 16 hours per week for irl work, but currently I believe it's looking at 111 hours in the past 3 weeks, which has left me knackered to say the least. Originally, I was considering resignation as I wasn't able to put enough time into the department (the senior back then had away time and other commitments, therefore wasn't that much help). However, a senior now who is doing work, who has shown to be one of the better News Reporters (I had two in mind) and has enabled me to ensure that more of my time is focused on news, this is with decreasing my work load a bit.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by the second part, the same individual how? Oh wait, I think I know what you mean, see above as to why that didn't work!