Gay Adoption FINALLY!!!

[Andii]

So the gay adoption ban has finally been lifted in Northern Ireland :) :) yay

link if anyone wants to read more about it :)

Thoughts??

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/gay-adoption-ban-lifted-northern-ireland111213

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[GommeInc]

Does that mean all the judicial systems in the UK have now lifted it? England and Wales did it many years ago. It makes sense - if two people who deeply love each other and want to adopt a fragile, unloved young person then it's all good. It speaks volumes compared to some of the people who abandoned them in the first place (though many have had to etc). The bullying argument in school doesn't hold much ground, seeing as children are bullied for plethora of reasons.

[-:Undertaker:-]

If you ask me, a child ought to have a mother and father.

Man + woman = family. I don't want to see it like that but that's how I do.

[Yawn]

i think having 2 mothers would be nice but 2 dads wouldnt

[dbgtz]

If you ask me, a child ought to have a mother and father.

Man + woman = family. I don't want to see it like that but that's how I do.

Better to have two father figures than nobody at all. At the end of the day, a family is what you make of it but you can't deny it's better than having kids stuck in care.

[GommeInc]

Better to have two father figures than nobody at all. At the end of the day, a family is what you make of it but you can't deny it's better than having kids stuck in care.
Agreed 100%. It's better to give them a life, and if it's with 2 people who really want a child then all the better.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Better to have two father figures than nobody at all. At the end of the day, a family is what you make of it but you can't deny it's better than having kids stuck in care.

Well that's what is always said but you know, I think there are a lot of couples out there who would love to adopt but who are barred from adopting for things like smoking and lots more red tape - it was only until recently that couples were barred from adopting because of skin colour differences.

Either way, i'd get the government out of adoption altogether and instead delegate the responsibilities to charities and Churches instead. Just from a personal point of view, a family = a man + a woman.

[buttons]

If you ask me, a child ought to have a mother and father.

Man + woman = family. I don't want to see it like that but that's how I do.
so would u pick an uncaring mother and father over a caring gay couple. or over a caring single parent? sometimes families are better off with single parents. im sure it does more harm to have straight parents with a volatile relationship than to have a caring single parent or 2 caring parents of the same sex. just way you're brought up i spose, maybe would be better if all families had CARING mums and dads but that's unfortunately not always the case.

[Futz]

would you expect any other opinion from a guy who wrote a wikipedia page about himself

[The Don]

Good news, shame it took this long for it to become possible though.


Well that's what is always said but you know, I think there are a lot of couples out there who would love to adopt but who are barred from adopting for things like smoking and lots more red tape - it was only until recently that couples were barred from adopting because of skin colour differences.

Either way, i'd get the government out of adoption altogether and instead delegate the responsibilities to charities and Churches instead. Just from a personal point of view, a family = a man + a woman.

As far as i'm aware there's not any official legislation regarding smokers adopting, the only mention of it I can find is about it being "discussed beforehand" which doesn't mean smokers are necessarily barred. Either way, Smokers adopting would undoubtedly be much more harmful to the health/well being of the child compared to same sex couples adopting, but obviously your argument is based on opinion/emotion rather than fact/logic so there isn't much point in discussing it with you.

[Drewar]

Does that mean all the judicial systems in the UK have now lifted it? England and Wales did it many years ago. It makes sense - if two people who deeply love each other and want to adopt a fragile, unloved young person then it's all good. It speaks volumes compared to some of the people who abandoned them in the first place (though many have had to etc). The bullying argument in school doesn't hold much ground, seeing as children are bullied for plethora of reasons.


Better to have two father figures than nobody at all. At the end of the day, a family is what you make of it but you can't deny it's better than having kids stuck in care.

I agree with these comments by GommeInc and dbgtz 100%.

It truly bothers me to my core that we live in a world where some people believe that children are better off feeling unwanted and unloved in foster care than to be in the care of two loving people, just because the two people are of the same gender.

I believe that there are much bigger problems that people should be focusing their energy on resolving than the issue of same sex relationships and trying to put limitations on love.

[Aiden]

if someone cam to england and adopted, then went back to ni, would they still be adopted? mhmhmhmmmm

[karter]

meanwhile homosexuality was declared as illegal by the indian supreme court eek

(it's still not illegal and i highly doubt it will be but I really give up on this country)

[Jurv]

i didnt even think there was a ban on it how silly

[-:Undertaker:-]

so would u pick an uncaring mother and father over a caring gay couple. or over a caring single parent? sometimes families are better off with single parents. im sure it does more harm to have straight parents with a volatile relationship than to have a caring single parent or 2 caring parents of the same sex. just way you're brought up i spose, maybe would be better if all families had CARING mums and dads but that's unfortunately not always the case.

Nobody claims unmarried mothers or unmarried fathers aren't good parents, however as one journalist put it - as hard as they may try, it's akin to trying to lift a very heavy weight with one arm: near impossible. The facts are that children are much more well rounded with a mother and father figure than they are with - hence why there's so much social strife amongst problem families now, many of which the children are from broken homes.

I know it's not popular to say - but yeah i'll say it, that it's best for children to have a mother and father figure and that it's best for there to be a father to be the breadwinner for the family (and pass that ethic on to his kids) rather than the role of the breadwinner being the state.


As far as i'm aware there's not any official legislation regarding smokers adopting, the only mention of it I can find is about it being "discussed beforehand" which doesn't mean smokers are necessarily barred. Either way, Smokers adopting would undoubtedly be much more harmful to the health/well being of the child compared to same sex couples adopting, but obviously your argument is based on opinion/emotion rather than fact/logic so there isn't much point in discussing it with you.

My parents smoke and have done a great job, so i'm not accepting the crazy anti-smoking rhetoric that we have to put up with nowadays. But as for gay couples adopting, I go back to the point above - i've benefitted from having a mother and father and I think anybody who has a mother and father knows how different both of them are even if it's hard to describe it.

Either way i'm not saying i'd ban it just as I wouldn't ban the notion of gay marriage even if I don't personally accept it. I'd just get the state out of it when charity should be in this role.

[FlyingJesus]

I've benefited from having 2 parents who love me, I don't think hole or hose had much to do with it

[Zelda]

quite frankly i don't particularly believe having two parents is necessarily best for everyone, though clearly it'll be beneficial to a lot of people it won't necessarily be best for everyone, i personally found that having split up parents did a much better job for me then when they were together for the first 14/15 years of my life and i much prefer it with only 1 parent at a time really.

I also find it personally ridiculous to suggest that having gay parents will be detrimental to children, if they care about them which is much more likely as well, then they would still be able to do just as good of a job as a straight couple, and does a very good job of breaking the gender stereotypes of how a family works, for not only the children but also their friends who are aware of it.

But yes about time it did get put through for ni really, very glad it's been done :)

[Yawn]

will u be getting ur hands on a little 1 now then andii? :) x

[Shar]

OMG HI ANDII!!

o/t are you thinking of adopting?

[Explorator]

That is actually good now.

It's nice to know that some countries are growing up and accepting we don't all live in 1812 anymore.

[MKR&*42]

Good news I guess :P

[Andii]

If you ask me, a child ought to have a mother and father.

Man + woman = family. I don't want to see it like that but that's how I do.


Thats the way the arguement was going. But my thoughts are what about single parents or widowed??? hmmm is it against the law for 1 parent to look after their child or is that not good enough for our society. This whole mum and dad needed for a child was bullcrap to start of with. I know alot of good people who only have 1 parent and they are wayyy better people than some of the idiots with 2

[despect]

All i can say is, about bloody time too. I think it's stupid how its taken this long, what they don't understand is that gay people are more than capable of bringing up children as well as an heterosexual couple.