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-:Undertaker:-
14-12-2013, 02:55 AM
Apologists for paedophiles: How Labour Deputy Harriet Harman, her shadow minister husband and former Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt were all linked to a group lobbying for the right to have sex with children

- Magpie magazine distributed in the late Seventies to members of PIE
- PIE is Paedophile Information Exchange - the name of a far-Left lobby group
- Called for legalisation of child sex and age of consent to be lowered to four
- Emerged this week Labour government of the time may helped finance the organisation and The Magpie
- Home Office now ordered a 'thorough, independent investigation' into claims
- Hewitt, Harman and husband Dromey encountered the PIE as young officials in the National Council for Civil Liberties


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Political: Harriet Harman (centre) and Patricia Hewitt (to her right), at a press conference held by the National Council for Civil Liberties in 1990


At first sight, it might be a harmless parish magazine or the newsletter of a respectable society of bird-watching enthusiasts.

Called The Magpie, the now-yellowing A5-size pamphlet was distributed in the late Seventies to members of an organisation called the PIE. The inside cover carries a workmanlike ‘editor’s letter’ highlighting ‘our third annual AGM, which is to be held in London in the summer’, and inviting readers to seek election to ‘our Executive Committee’.

Page three advertises a memorial service for recently deceased PIE member Alan Doggett, who worked as the conductor of the London Boys’ Choir, and was apparently to be remembered for his ‘friendliness, integrity and loyalty’. There follows a selection of short news stories, a letters page and several long feature articles, which are scholarly in tone and peppered with academic jargon.

But it doesn’t take long for any right-minded person who flicks through The Magpie — dispatched quarterly in plain brown envelopes to up to 1,000 members — to realise that behind its matter-of-fact tone and appearance, something is terribly, terribly, amiss.

For the initials PIE stand for Paedophile Information Exchange. This turns out to be the name of a far-Left lobby group which spent much of the Seventies and early Eighties publicly calling for the legalisation of child sex — and the age of consent to be lowered to four.

Today, PIE has been widely forgotten. But at the time, it achieved prominence for circulating articles by tame psychologists and cod scientists promoting the ‘rights’ of paedophiles.

Take, for example, a long article by Dr Edward Brongersma, a Dutch politician and academic who was renowned for his ultra-liberal views on sexual morality.

‘A sexual relationship between a child and an adult does not harm the child and may be even beneficial,’ he argues, ‘providing that the adult partner is considerate, loving and affectionate.’

Take also an article in which a PIE member called Keith Spence, who had recently moved to Stockholm, writes of his (unsuccessful) efforts to abuse ‘heart-shatteringly beautiful’ children at the local swimming pool.

‘If you think England is frustrating for paedophiles, you should try living in Sweden for a bit,’ he complains.

Towards the back of the journal are adverts for a book called Towards A Better Perspective For Boy-Lovers, and admiring reviews of magazines with names such as Male International, Kim, and Boys Express.

Today, almost 35 years later, the contents of The Magpie seem so vile and amoral, and the activities of a lobby group dedicated to advancing the human rights of predatory paedophiles so disgusting, that it’s incredible either was allowed legally to exist at all.

However, it now seems that the Paedophile Information Exchange wasn’t just tolerated by the liberal authorities of the time. There is growing evidence that the era’s Left-wing establishment saw it as a socially acceptable pressure group and actively encouraged its ugly campaigns and sinister public meetings.

Indeed, it emerged this week that the Labour government of the Seventies may even have helped finance the organisation and its morally bankrupt publication The Magpie.

On Sunday, the Home Office announced that it had ordered a ‘thorough, independent investigation’ into shocking allegations that the Paedophile Information Exchange received public funds while James Callaghan was in Downing Street.

It will examine whether tens of thousands of pounds of taxpayers’ money was funnelled to it via the Voluntary Services Unit [VSU], a department of the Home Office that gave annual grants to charities and non-profit-making lobby groups.

The probe comes after a whistle-blower had claimed the payments were signed off, over several years, by a senior civil servant who worked under Labour’s then Home Secretary, Merlyn Rees.

Dig beneath the surface of this ugly scandal, however, and you will soon discover that Lord Rees — who died in 2006 — is a long way from being the only prominent Labourite whose good name may be tarnished by it.

For it also raises tricky questions for three of the most senior Labour figures of recent times: deputy leader Harriet Harman, former Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt, and shadow housing minister Jack Dromey, a former party treasurer and Harman’s husband.

Turn the clock back to the Seventies and this trio had strangely close links to the Paedophile Information Exchange. And the long-defunct organisation’s sudden return to the news pages may very well bring those links back to haunt them.

Harman, Hewitt and Dromey first encountered the PIE when they were cutting their political teeth as young officials in the National Council for Civil Liberties [NCCL].

This tub-thumping human rights organisation — these days known as Liberty — was far more radical than its modern equivalent, and was actively forging alliances with a host of ultra-liberal pressure groups.

One such group was the PIE. In 1975, it somehow succeeded in convincing the NCCL to grant it official ‘affiliate’ status.

The move was a signal victory for radical Left-wing activists, who had for years lobbied for more ‘enlightened’ attitudes towards sex between adults and children.

It was also, of course, a PR coup for those who sought to promote paedophilia.

‘The PIE somehow managed to convince feminists and the gay rights lobby that they had shared values and that we all belonged in the same club,’ recalls one feminist writer whose magazine was lobbied for support by the PIE after the Exchange won NCCL affiliation.

‘Anyone who spoke out against them feared being called a “homophobe”, which in Left-wing circles at the time was about the biggest insult anyone could throw at you. So they were invited into the liberal establishment.’

A PIE ‘information’ leaflet published at the time, called Paedophilia: Some Questions And Answers, shows how the organisation had managed to ally its cause to the gay rights movement.

‘Homosexuals are now widely regarded as ordinary, healthy people — a minority, but no more “ill” than the minority who are left-handed,’ it read. ‘There is no reason why paedophilia should not win similar acceptance.’

The NCCL — then under the chairmanship of Henry Hodge, the Left-wing solicitor who would go on to marry Labour MP Margaret Hodge — appears to have bought this argument hook, line and sinker.

‘The PIE was also being picketed by the National Front, so a lot of people also supported them on the basis that our enemy’s enemy had to be our friend,’ says the writer. ‘It seems terrifyingly simplistic now, obviously, but that was the political context.’

Over the ensuing years, the NCCL — which had Hewitt as its General Secretary from 1974-83 — provided valuable support to the paedophile lobby as it pursued a string of legal and political campaigns designed to advance its twisted agenda.

In 1975, for example, the NCCL conference was addressed by the PIE chairman, Keith Hose. Delegates passed a motion declaring that ‘awareness and acceptance of the sexuality of children is an essential part of the liberation of the young homosexual’.

In 1976, with Jack Dromey on its executive (he served from 1970-79), the NCCL filed a submission to a parliamentary committee claiming that a proposed Bill to protect children from sex abusers would lead to ‘damaging and absurd prosecutions’.

‘Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage,’ it read. ‘The real need is a change in the attitude which assumes that all cases of paedophilia result in lasting damage.’

The statement might have been cut-and-pasted from the propaganda book of the Paedophile Information Exchange.

Two years later, in 1978, Harriet Harman, then a newly qualified solicitor, became the NCCL’s legal officer. She promptly wrote its official response to Parliament’s Protection of Children Bill, which sought to ban child pornography.

Her letter claimed that such a law would ‘increase censorship’, and argued that a pornographic picture of a naked child should not be considered indecent unless it could be proven that the subject had suffered.

‘Our amendment [to the proposed law] places the onus of proof on the prosecution to show that the child was actually harmed,’ she wrote.

Such statements, from officials in what was (and is) a respected human rights organisation, may go some way towards explaining how the Labour-run Home Office of the era might have allowed public grants to be directed towards the PIE.

The NCCL presided over by Harman, Hewitt, Hodge and Dromey had, after all, helped foster an environment where woolly liberalism trumped child protection.

To many on the Left, promoting the ‘rights’ of paedophiles came to be regarded as a legitimate act of political subversion.

Sources close to the Home Office investigation, which was announced this week, say the whistle-blower who sparked it first came forward in the late Seventies. However, his concerns were ignored by officials working for Labour Home Secretary Merlyn Rees.

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I have heard rumours for years now of former Labour minister Harperson and her links to these sort of sick and twisted cultural marxist points of view and it looks like it's all coming out now.

Anyone who knows anything about the radical left and cultural marxism knows that it's a goal - and always has been - for them to completely twist the morality of society and destroy institutions such as the married family, the Church, the traditional family and norms such as the idea that you don't have sex with children. This will be laughed off of course, but this was common practice in the communist USSR - and just think how much our sexual morality has changed since the 1960s. They're winning.

The gay rights campaigner, Peter Tatchell, has long been arguing for the age of consent to be lowered to 14. So don't think that this is an issue that died off in the 1970s, indeed he's been arguing for the age of consent to be lowered via repeats calls in the Guardian newspaper since 1997 - http://www.theguardian.com/comment/story/0,3604,530504,00.html

It's time these people were exposed for the sick ideologically twisted weirdos they really are. If anything to my mind, the age of consent should be raised to 18.

Thoughts?

The Don
14-12-2013, 07:02 PM
Anyone who knows anything about the radical left and cultural marxism knows that it's a goal - and always has been - for them to completely twist the morality of society and destroy institutions such as the married family, the Church, the traditional family and norms such as the idea that you don't have sex with children. This will be laughed off of course, but this was common practice in the communist USSR - and just think how much our sexual morality has changed since the 1960s. They're winning.

The gay rights campaigner, Peter Tatchell, has long been arguing for the age of consent to be lowered to 14. So don't think that this is an issue that died off in the 1970s, indeed he's been arguing for the age of consent to be lowered via repeats calls in the Guardian newspaper since 1997 - http://www.theguardian.com/comment/story/0,3604,530504,00.html

It's time these people were exposed for the sick ideologically twisted weirdos they really are. If anything to my mind, the age of consent should be raised to 18.

Thoughts?

Lol yeh opposing the church/gender stereotypes which aim to keep the nuclear family is really twisting the morality of society /s
I find it disgraceful that you would even link peadophilia in with issues such as same sex parents (the traditional family reference) and religion. Shows how backward you really are if you truly believe that.

-:Undertaker:-
14-12-2013, 07:10 PM
Lol yeh opposing the church/gender stereotypes which aim to keep the nuclear family is really twisting the morality of society /s
I find it disgraceful that you would even link peadophilia in with issues such as same sex parents (the traditional family reference) and religion. Shows how backward you really are if you truly believe that.

All I have done is pointed out what cultural marxist ideology wants.

The Nazis for example were very big on the environment, and as somebody who loves gardening and nature does that mean therefore that i'm automatically making gardening bad by linking it with the Nazis? No, i'm making a statement of fact. Not anywhere in your reply have you rebutted anything i've stated, instead you've just taken offence by me pointing out how some of the things you believe in are very closely related to other theories within cultural marxism.

If you're really interested instead of just taking offence because you don't like the statement of facts I am psoting then make a start here on socialism (Marx, Engels) being anti-family: http://www.csustan.edu/history/faculty/weikart/Marx-Engels-and-the-Abolition-of-the-Family.pdf

The Don
14-12-2013, 07:30 PM
All I have done is pointed out what cultural marxist ideology wants.

Which you then referred to as 'sick' and 'twisted'.



The Nazis for example were very big on the environment, and as somebody who loves gardening and nature does that mean therefore that i'm automatically making gardening bad by linking it with the Nazis? No, i'm making a statement of fact. Not anywhere in your reply have you rebutted anything i've stated, instead you've just taken offence by me pointing out how some of the things you believe in are very closely related to other theories within cultural marxism.


Your example is terrible, you didn't simply just mention gardening (cultural norms) and nazis (paedophilia), you instead implied they were equally as bad by linking them through suggesting that they were winning due to the erosion of cultural norms, such as the nuclear family and the church, and then also called them "sick ideologically twisted weirdos" without mentioning which part of their ideology was twisted.

If you weren't trying to compare them, or thought they were comparable in the slightest, then you wouldn't have felt compelled to even mention those other factors since they're completely irrelevant to what the article is about, you were simply trying to paint those other factors in a negative light by linking them with paedophilia.

-:Undertaker:-
14-12-2013, 07:37 PM
Uh yes I made the link of this article on sexual morality concerning children and sex to other areas where cultural marxists have attempted to twist our notion of morality and cultural norms - namely that of the traditional family, sexual relationships (including homosexuality and multiple partners) ..... so what's the beef? It's all pretty standard textbook marxism that you're only taking offence to because you don't like that certain parts of it that you support are linked in with bits that you find disgusting.

I'm gay yet even I can see how the left have used issues such as homosexuality to attack the family, the Church and so on and so forth. It's just a statement of fact - which bits you agree with or don't agree with are entirely upto you as they are with me.

The Don
14-12-2013, 07:42 PM
Uh yes I made the link of this article on sexual morality concerning children and sex to other areas where cultural marxists have attempted to twist our notion of morality and cultural norms - namely that of the traditional family, sexual relationships (including homosexuality and multiple partners) ..... so what's the beef? It's all pretty standard textbook marxism that you're only taking offence to because you don't like that certain parts of it that you support are linked in with bits that you find disgusting.

I'm gay yet even I can see how the left have used issues such as homosexuality to attack the family, the Church and so on and so forth. It's just a statement of fact - which bits you agree with or don't agree with are entirely upto you as they are with me.

Because you said that they were winning due to public acceptance of the rejection of many traditional norms and thought that the two were comparable.

-:Undertaker:-
14-12-2013, 07:43 PM
Because you said that they were winning due to public acceptance of the rejection of many traditional norms.

Yes.. and? Is this even disputable?

Look at the huge victories since the 1960s that the left have secured on all these issues.

The Don
14-12-2013, 07:44 PM
Yes.. and? Is this even disputable?

Look at the huge victories since the 1960s that the left have secured on all these issues.

And the fact you thought they were even remotely comparable....

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You said that their goal was to twist the morality of the public, and then claimed they were succeeding in that goal due cultural norms being rejected. If that isn't implying those issues were comparable then I don't know what is....

Kardan
14-12-2013, 07:55 PM
Why do you consider the age of consent in the UK to be too low?

FlyingJesus
14-12-2013, 09:31 PM
Some liberals are bad therefore all liberal values are evil, and liberal totes means the same thing as left-wing no exceptions. Another wonderfully crap article

-:Undertaker:-
14-12-2013, 09:40 PM
Why do you consider the age of consent in the UK to be too low?

If a 16 year old isn't old enough to make the decision to smoke or drive a car, they certainly aren't capable of making the decision to have sex which can lead to the creation of another life/HIV and other STDs.


Some liberals are bad therefore all liberal values are evil, and liberal totes means the same thing as left-wing no exceptions. Another wonderfully crap article

So the links between top Labour ministers and groups like these are 'crap' and uninteresting?

FlyingJesus
14-12-2013, 10:10 PM
3 people being junior members of an organisation with thousands of "affiliates" is not the same thing as being part of any such disreputable affiliate nor does it make one party to their actions. If my friend murders someone it doesn't make me a killer

-:Undertaker:-
14-12-2013, 10:33 PM
3 people being junior members of an organisation with thousands of "affiliates" is not the same thing as being part of any such disreputable affiliate nor does it make one party to their actions. If my friend murders someone it doesn't make me a killer

Indeed, but i'd certainly like to hear more about this - afterall, many in Labour today have been linked to the Soviet Union intelligence agency along with CND (which recieved Soviet funding) yet have never been taken to task on it. Considering the history of Labour in the 1970s, i'd certainly like to find out more on this story.

Afterall, at one point in the 1970s Lord Mountbatten and the British army were considering mounting a coup de'tat against the Wilson (who they suspected of Soviet sympathies) and Callaghan Governments.

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