The HxF Mole 2 - Task 19: Lost in Translation

[Kardan]

All you need to do for this task, is simply translate the following code into English. Each letter of the alphabet is represented by another letter.

You will win 10 days of VIP if you post in bold the complete solution. Good luck.

WVH UFH ZCD WOLDHW AUL WVH XLQGOIHLG TOG WVH WOFDU. C GQNNUGH CWG UNNUFHFWG UZBHXWHI WU WVH POF ZHFICFD WVH TUPOF UMHL ZOXJTOLIG OFI NHHLCFD CFWU VHL HKHG TCWV O GPURIHLCFD NOGGCUFOWH RUUJ. (CLHFH XOGWRH)

[CrazyLemurs]

lord you'll need help with this

[Zelda]

ok so C and O

either C = A O = I or C = I O = A

most likely

that might help idk omg

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now gonna go bed cya x

[CrazyLemurs]

dont worry guys done it for you well not me specifically :rolls:
only told gina as it's going to be her call whether to tell you the answer

[Gina]

THE ONE BIG TARGET FOR THE CRUSADERS WAS THE TANGO. I SUPPOSE ITS OPPONENTS OBJECTED TO THE MAN BENDING THE WOMAN OVER BACKWARDS AND PEERING INTO HER EYES WITH A SMOLDERING PASSIONATE LOOK. (IRENE CASTLE)

[CrazyLemurs]

Kardan; we did this plz mark

[Kardan]

We're only going to give you half the VIP for this. Seems silly to award the group VIP when executed contestants are doing the tasks for them.

So this task is over and you've won 5 days of VIP.

[CrazyLemurs]

Excuse me @Kardan (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=3428); tell me where it says executed contestants aren't allowed to do it for them
Seems the same as the wikipedia link one: you should only get points if you prove you did your own chain

furthermore
give me the other 5 days as I did it

[lawrawrrr]

well that's what happens when all the active players get out

[Kardan]

Excuse me @Kardan (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=3428); tell me where it says executed contestants aren't allowed to do it for them
Seems the same as the wikipedia link one: you should only get points if you prove you did your own chain

furthermore
give me the other 5 days as I did it

It doesn't say where it says that executed contestants can't do it, just like it doesn't say that non-contestants can't do it. But I think it's pretty clear that this is a competition, and only those in the competition can take part in the competition.

As I said earlier in the competition, I can't stop people helping, but when it's clear that an executed contestant has done the whole task, that's simply not fair. Also, as the hosts, what we say goes.

[CrazyLemurs]

ok address my second point
can I have the other 5 days of vip because I worked for 11 days to get nothing before ekk

[Kardan]

well that's what happens when all the active players get out

Then the active people should have done better in the Execution Quizzes. At the end of the day, the competition doesn't revolve around how active players are, it's about how well they can identify the Mole.

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ok address my second point
can I have the other 5 days of vip because I worked for 11 days to get nothing before ekk

No, it's clear that the VIP either goes towards the remaining contestant's prize fund or to the Mole. You are neither, and you're not in the competition.

[CrazyLemurs]

well the only reason graham OR tara are in is because one of them is the mole and protects the other :l

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actually ok if only 5 goes to the players
do the other 5 go to the mole?

[Inseriousity.]

Other people worked hard and got nothing, that's sorta the point of the game lol

[Kardan]

well the only reason graham OR tara are in is because one of them is the mole and protects the other :l

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actually ok if only 5 goes to the players
do the other 5 go to the mole?

Yes.

[CrazyLemurs]

jfc not sure if I want to be in the next mole now

[Inseriousity.]

it is a flaw in the game that you could just take part in the execution quiz, not do a single thing and still win if you happen to guess right.
even bigger flaw if the mole works with someone else so its guaranteed theyre going to win the contestant vip as theyll have perfect scores the whole way through. means the whole game is just dressing.

despite that, dont really think its something that kardan and charz can accomodate for.

[CrazyLemurs]

like we'd need a private forum that can ONLY be accessed by the players and when they're eliminated they're taken out of the permission group for that forum
although seems a lot of work somebody like mattg wouldn't do just for a forum game

[Kardan]

it is a flaw in the game that you could just take part in the execution quiz, not do a single thing and still win if you happen to guess right.
even bigger flaw if the mole works with someone else so its guaranteed theyre going to win the contestant vip as theyll have perfect scores the whole way through. means the whole game is just dressing.

despite that, dont really think its something that kardan and charz can accomodate for.

There's no way to force people to participate in tasks, no. And we check for collaboration between the Mole and other players, and we're happy that there isn't any.

[lawrawrrr]

like in the posting task, we wouldnt have got close if phil hadn't helped out etc

[Kardan]

like we'd need a private forum that can ONLY be accessed by the players and when they're eliminated they're taken out of the permission group for that forum
although seems a lot of work somebody like mattg wouldn't do just for a forum game

This game has nothing to do with the Forum, so I'd doubt you'd be able to get that set up.

At the end of the day, every other member of the forum managed to leave the contestants to do it for themselves.

[CrazyLemurs]

because there weren't that many people interested who weren't playing err...

[Kardan]

like in the posting task, we wouldnt have got close if phil hadn't helped out etc

That was an oversight on my behalf, I should have put that all non contestant posts will be ignored, since a main part of the task was having to realise you would have to post in a certain order so the person with Post Quota 200 would be able to hit it. But it didn't matter in the end, since the task was failed.

[lawrawrrr]

nah i was doing missing links on skype with other people just didnt post on here lolol

[Kardan]

because there weren't that many people interested who weren't playing err...

But that had nothing to do with you, you were out of the competition.

[CrazyLemurs]

ok I'll be sure next time that I don't tell anyone I've done it for them
nothing wrong in that case, surely

[Kardan]

nah i was doing missing links on skype with other people just didnt post on here lolol

But that didn't matter either since that task was also failed :P

But as I said earlier, I can't stop people from doing that, but at least you didn't make it obvious in the thread.

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Also, a private forum wouldn't solve any issues, since you'd just tell people the tasks anyway.

[Inseriousity.]

lol using Phil to reach the quota was my idea hehe. Contestants thinking outside the box to reach their targets is different to having someone do the whole task for them imo.

[Kardan]

lol using Phil to reach the quota was my idea hehe. Contestants thinking outside the box to reach their targets is different to having someone do the whole task for them imo.

Very true. It's pretty obvious, and has been throughout the competition, that the Mole tasks are designed for people that are actually still in the competition.

For example if Phil tried to drink bottles in Task 1 etc. - it wouldn't be accepted.

Contestants are encouraged to think outside the box with the tasks anyway.

[CrazyLemurs]

well gina did by asking me to help
task 19 was just 30 seconds in google tbh
in 20, she actually found nearly all of the words that go in the puzzle and I just played around to see what combinations worked

[Kardan]

well gina did by asking me to help
task 19 was just 30 seconds in google tbh
in 20, she actually found nearly all of the words that go in the puzzle and I just played around to see what combinations worked

You shouldn't have done anything.

[CrazyLemurs]

neither should dilusionate, then
or laura in the 32-word thing

[Charz777]

Not that this matters, but there is also a difference between non-players helping, or posting 'ideas' or 'guesses' in the thread, than doing the whole task for the group.

[Kardan]

neither should dilusionate, then
or laura in the 32-word thing

Dilusionate didn't 'give answers', and Laura said she was doing it for her own benefit and wouldn't give out help, so I couldn't take no action.

[CrazyLemurs]

ok
well tbh they would have got 0 if I didn't do it for them so I'm alright with 11 out of 21
gonna laugh if the mole gets the vip because I just gave him (yes comity :l) 10 days for nothing

[Charz777]

ok
well tbh they would have got 0 if I didn't do it for them so I'm alright with 11 out of 21
gonna laugh if the mole gets the vip because I just gave him (yes comity :l) 10 days for nothing

Yes, the Mole gets the other 10 days.

[CrazyLemurs]

I mean if the mole wins he'll have the extra 10 days from me

[Kardan]

ok
well tbh they would have got 0 if I didn't do it for them so I'm alright with 11 out of 21
gonna laugh if the mole gets the vip because I just gave him (yes comity :l) 10 days for nothing

The whole idea of the game is that the Mole gets VIP for doing nothing. The Mole can do absolutely nothing to sabotage a task, but still win the VIP if the group is just incompetent.

To be fair, I imagine the Mole is pretty pissed off since they were looking good for winning more VIP than they actually did.

[Charz777]

To be fair, considering the actual group wasn't looking good to win the VIP, the Mole was probably expecting to win all 21 days. Which they may well have if current players did the task rather than an executed player.

[CrazyLemurs]

Take away the other 11 and let them do some different tasks, then


I'm currently on my iPhone if you are seeing this message. Pretend like you care xx

[Kardan]

Take away the other 11 and let them do some different tasks, then


I'm currently on my iPhone if you are seeing this message. Pretend like you care xx

So with all the work we've put in, you want us to just create 2 new tasks only because an executed player has already wrecked the current tasks?

[Charz777]

We've put so much time and effort into this! It isn't up to us to make up for outsiders' mistakes...

[CrazyLemurs]

So take the 11 away and leave them with nothing
That wouldn't be fair either, seeing as you never said that outside help would reduce the VIP reward


I'm currently on my iPhone if you are seeing this message. Pretend like you care xx

[Charz777]

I think it's clear that the competition is for current players only. You don't see the audience joining in on Catchphrase... All I'm saying :P

[Zelda]

you should be giving us extra tasks though because it's not me or graham's fault (nor tara's i suppose but she won't care cause its more vip for her to win this way) that alex cheated because we didnt even know he was going to do that until he posted in the thread and the answers were posted........

[Kardan]

The end result of these tasks isn't fair for anyone because you've ruined them.

If I award all the VIP, how is that fair on the Mole?
If I award half the VIP, how is that fair for either the group or the Mole?
If I award no VIP, how is that fair on the group?

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you should be giving us extra tasks though because it's not me or graham's fault (nor tara's i suppose but she won't care cause its more vip for her to win this way) that alex cheated because we didnt even know he was going to do that until he posted in the thread and the answers were posted........

Gina is part of the remaining contestants and she posted the answers that CrazyLemurs did. If he had just come into the task and posted the final answer, you may have had a case, but the group chose to accept the help.

[CrazyLemurs]

I'd like to remind you I didn't actually submit the answers lmao
I could have told gina them and she could have completely ignored both; particularly 20 as it was an image file she could have just discarded etc.

[Zelda]

The end result of these tasks isn't fair for anyone because you've ruined them.

If I award all the VIP, how is that fair on the Mole?
If I award half the VIP, how is that fair for either the group or the Mole?
If I award no VIP, how is that fair on the group?

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Gina is part of the remaining contestants and she posted the answers that CrazyLemurs did. If he had just come into the task and posted the final answer, you may have had a case, but the group chose to accept the help.

how is that the group chosing to accept help when gina isn't a majority, being only 33% of the non mole competitors? that's one person lol

[Kardan]

I'd like to remind you I didn't actually submit the answers lmao
I could have told gina them and she could have completely ignored both; particularly 20 as it was an image file she could have just discarded etc.

You didn't submit the answer, because you can't submit the answer. You are not in the competition.

[Zelda]

one person doing it without consulting us is not the group chosing it

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not like it matters now anyway tara has won the vip cause we can't get to 8 anyway

[Kardan]

how is that the group chosing to accept help when gina isn't a majority, being only 33% of the non mole competitors? that's one person lol

Just like in all other tasks certain individuals can (and have) made decisions that the group didn't agree with. There has never been a majority voting system in this competition (we learnt not to do that, since some tasks had that in HxF Mole 1, and it took too long for tasks to even get started).

[CrazyLemurs]

Precisely what helps my point
Frankly, if I'm not part of the game, how did I actually cheat? I'm not involved anymore according to you so I could have just been helping gina with something irl for homework or something

[Kardan]

one person doing it without consulting us is not the group chosing it

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not like it matters now anyway tara has won the vip cause we can't get to 8 anyway

As I've said, visit other tasks.

Intersocial picked orders for speed clicking without the group choosing. Somebody also paired people up for the Contestant's Dilemma without the group choosing. There's many more examples.

[Zelda]

Just like in all other tasks certain individuals can (and have) made decisions that the group didn't agree with. There has never been a majority voting system in this competition (we learnt not to do that, since some tasks had that in HxF Mole 1, and it took too long for tasks to even get started).

you can't then claim that the "group chose to accept the help" though when no1 else even knew it was going to happen........ that's hardly a valid arguement

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it's different from other cases though because this involves cheating not fair stuff

[Kardan]

Precisely what helps my point
Frankly, if I'm not part of the game, how did I actually cheat? I'm not involved anymore according to you so I could have just been helping gina with something irl for homework or something

You didn't cheat, you can't cheat, you're not in the competition. I've not removed VIP because CrazyLemurs cheated. I've removed VIP because the group received the full complete answers from somebody not in the competition. If Gina didn't post the answers that you gave, there would have been no punishment.

And come on, we're adults. Stop being silly. There is no way Gina would have had these 2 exact tasks for homework.

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you can't then claim that the "group chose to accept the help" though when no1 else even knew it was going to happen........ that's hardly a valid arguement

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it's different from other cases though because this involves cheating not fair stuff

It's been made clear that one person can make decisions for the group. Gina chose to accept the help, therefore the group chose to accept the help.

[Charz777]

This is really ridiculous. We set this up so that there was something extra in the forum. A good forum game, not just 'rate the player above'. We thought it would be fun as it was great the last time round. Neither of us have much free time considering we're both doing a difficult degree, and we've taken a lot of time and effort to organise this, so forgive us for not leaping at the chance to spend hours creating 2 new tasks. We thought it was clear that a competition would be for the players and not for someone else to complete the task on their behalf and so we are sorry that this wasn't made clear in the rules but we never expected that something this obvious would come up as an issue. And just to add, we don't get anything for doing this, we don't get VIP or some sort of reward, we did it to be nice, so some people would have a fun group activity on the forum and we thought people would at least be grateful for that if nothing else. Sorry if you think we've messed up, but personally I don't think this is our fault.

[Zelda]

You didn't cheat, you can't cheat, you're not in the competition. I've not removed VIP because CrazyLemurs cheated. I've removed VIP because the group received the full complete answers from somebody not in the competition. If Gina didn't post the answers that you gave, there would have been no punishment.

And come on, we're adults. Stop being silly. There is no way Gina would have had these 2 exact tasks for homework.

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It's been made clear that one person can make decisions for the group. Gina chose to accept the help, therefore the group chose to accept the help.

there is a difference between making decisions for a group and chosing to cheat for the group. the one person who accepted the help should be the one who faces the consequences not the people playing along fairly.

[Kardan]

there is a difference between making decisions for a group and chosing to cheat for the group. the one person who accepted the help should be the one who faces the consequences not the people playing along fairly.

And what is that difference? As I've said, the whole competition has allowed people to make decisions and choices for the group as a whole, if somebody cheats, then that counts as the whole group cheating, and the group should face the consequences.

How can I punish the one player that got help, whilst still offering the days of VIP for the group? The task answers have already been revealed to the whole group.

[Zelda]

And what is that difference? As I've said, the whole competition has allowed people to make decisions and choices for the group as a whole, if somebody cheats, then that counts as the whole group cheating, and the group should face the consequences.

How can I punish the one player that got help, whilst still offering the days of VIP for the group? The task answers have already been revealed to the whole group.

the idea of communal responsibility is a very flawed one, surprised you don't realise that.

i don't really care i'm just thinking for the others here cause i couldn't care less what happens though, so idm.

instead of now checking what's going on with this for the rest of the day since the tasks are done perhaps that time can be used to work out how to punish the one player then?

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anyway because i don't want to argue and this is only a pitiful amount of vip anyway that we lost from this i'll just leave it at that i just thought it seemed rather unfair that was all. do whatever you think is best/want to do

[Kardan]

the idea of communal responsibility is a very flawed one, surprised you don't realise that.

i don't really care i'm just thinking for the others here cause i couldn't care less what happens though, so idm.

instead of now checking what's going on with this for the rest of the day since the tasks are done perhaps that time can be used to work out how to punish the one player then?

Of course it's flawed, only if people don't work together. The whole point of the competition revolves around that point. Non-Moles can wreck the tasks if they want, Skandair did that for Task 12 - he completely wrecked a task, and he wasn't the Mole. So everyone's work went down the drain, because he wanted to annoy people. That's also another example of flawed communal responsibility, but it's part of the game.

And I'm glad you couldn't care less what happens, because nothing will change. The VIP has been split half and half between the group and the Mole because essentially the task was ruined for both sides. So I guess I have to split the disadvantage between everyone.

And how can I punish the one player? The only way possible is to enforce a penalty on the final execution quiz, but is it worth it? The group/Mole have already lost half of their final lot of VIP, and there are no more tasks, so the one player doesn't even have the opportunity to learn from their mistakes.

[Phil]

Very true. It's pretty obvious, and has been throughout the competition, that the Mole tasks are designed for people that are actually still in the competition.

For example if Phil tried to drink bottles in Task 1 etc. - it wouldn't be accepted.

Contestants are encouraged to think outside the box with the tasks anyway.

But I'm Irish?! :S


Anyway, this game that Aiden and Charz have created is fantastic and it's great for the community for them to do a game like this. When this game started I was so sickened I forgot to apply but now that this has happened and that Alex has completely sucked any enjoyment out of the game I am delighted.

Alex, you were over confident and you lost. That means you are out of the game. You're up on your high horse like you're Einstein but you fail to comprehend common sense. Even when Laura was out of the game she wanted to test herself by doing the tasks but she did it by herself, in her own time, not for the sake of the competition. It's a game, seriously..


Again, well done to Kardan; and Charz777; for organising a fantastic game once again.

[Inseriousity.]

The whole game relies on people being suspicious of others so everyone working together is highly unlikely. If they did, the whole game would be rendered pointless because the mole would be obvious. It's never going to happen though because that would rely on having 16 highly active people playing. When something is bolded you do it on behalf of the group regardless of whether the group agreed with it or not. Perhaps Gina would've been more likely to wait for your approval if you'd actually had a more active role in the game so far. She probably assumed she was on her own as you're super inactive and assuming the theory that graham/tara working together is true.

[CrazyLemurs]

Gosh leave me alone for ****'s sake I am bored of habbox giving me ****
I had no idea that by helping (fine ******* doing it FOR THEM) that vip would be taken away because nobody said that it would
Knowing that this will lead to having vip taken away, it's not something I will do so amateurly in future with the mole 3 or 4 or whatever

More people saying I suck the fun out of it: my idea of fun is winning, and that does not mean it isn't a correct idea of fun. My opinion is not yours

[Zelda]

just to anyone saying that if we'd have shown more interest in doing this task that gina posted that answer at 12;49am so ye didn't give much chance.

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anyway this is all over now so good luck every1 on the execution quiz eh

[wixard]

it's also hard when me and graham work retail and seen to be the only ones in the game with a job and were doing CRAZY hours because of the holidays, I also have a life and need to see friends which is why ive been inactive as I just have no time at the mo, haven't read all thr posts but yeah just throwing that out there

[Zelda]

yea and also the competition was timed with the last few weeks of school/college so for people like me we had a lot going on for most of the tasks and i every day would be getting home by about 5 and had work and stuff to do before i could even consider this, so consider that before you start calling people inactive, just because you didn't have such stuff going on.

(if the competition had been 2 weeks later in the holidays then yes i could understand more the arguement though)

[wixard]

ok I see what's happening, god people it's only a game! taking this time to thank charz and kardan for all the hard work they've put in and giving me sonethinh to look forward to each night

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who's that directed at Zelda

[Zelda]

people talking about inactive people not you

[Kardan]

yea and also the competition was timed with the last few weeks of school/college so for people like me we had a lot going on for most of the tasks and i every day would be getting home by about 5 and had work and stuff to do before i could even consider this, so consider that before you start calling people inactive, just because you didn't have such stuff going on.

(if the competition had been 2 weeks later in the holidays then yes i could understand more the arguement though)

Why did you apply then?

[Zelda]

+ yes i would also like to thank kardan and charz for what they've done and putting in all this effort with all this going on

[CrazyLemurs]

Was going to be my question, Kardan
If you aint got the time don't waste ours

[Zelda]

Why did you apply then?

because i still had time to play (as is clear by the fact i have still taken part in tasks more than some others) just not as much as some of the other people....

[Inseriousity.]

I never said you should've been here. Ofc everyone's going to have their real lives not log onto some game. I was just trying to suggest a reason as to why Gina just went for it without consulting anyone first.

[Gina]

I can't read through the whole thread since I'm online using my phone as my sister has people round but I didn't post at 12:49am whatt but o. Sorry ye I just got a message saying post this ahblah so I did lmao and considerif Tara hasn't been on most days because of works and with hardly anyone else contributing I thought why not but ye sorry if it annoyed you but like rats said cheers karsan and chars for hosting this haha I did enjoy it and am sorry if this message doesn't make sense because I'm using the touch thingy with autpcprrecy and don't really want tp read back through this so hi the sorry cheers
just to anyone saying that if we'd have shown more interest in doing this task that gina posted that answer at 12;49am so ye didn't give much chance.

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anyway this is all over now so good luck every1 on the execution quiz eh

[sex]

gina are you drunk

[Gina]

Nono I'm nots I'm a good girl

[MKR&*42]

Well that was an interesting read...

[Kardan]

Thread closed.