Dicemaster limit in rooms? / Casino Ban?

[user130523]

On the 18th February, codes were uploaded to the servers which cast a black cloud over casinos and betting in Habbo. The codes release information that there shall soon be a limit on how many dice you can place in your room, this limit is unknown at the moment but sure doesn't look good for a lot of people. This event comes a year after Habbo.dk disabled dice masters completely from their hotel.

We know one thing for certain, and that's that there'd be a massive uproar in the hotel and if it was to go ahead - its likely there'd be a walkout of many users. We also know the casino and betting sector is important to the economy on Habbo, it promotes the flow of coins and items from one person to another so that these don't stagnate. It's certain that everyone would be affected by this in one way or another, so leave your thoughts and check out the codes below.




The codes:


notification.casino.too_many_dice.placement={"display":"POP_UP"}
notification.casino.too_many_dice={"display":"POP_UP"}
http://puhekupla.com/en/news/2697

yikes

[Stadiums]

Removed

[DryRash]

Wow, Lets just hope it isn't something ridiculous for the maximum amount of dice you're allowed.
A lot of people I know only come on Habbo to go to the Casinos for fun and to try win a good amount of coins etc.
If this gets put in place Casinos will be smaller. Then again we still do not know how many it will be yet.
So can't complain ;]

[Hidden]

gutted to all illegal buyer

[jorsian]

I don't know why they insist on ruining the most popular aspects of the game but it clearly isn't a good business strategy. First with Snowstorm and Battleball and now with casinos.

[lucaskf390]

Sulake trashed the game and now want to trash casinos, bad news.

[Lewis]

As long as it's still possible to gamble somehow, I'll be somewhat happy.

[Stadiums]

As long as it's still possible to gamble somehow, I'll be somewhat happy.

When they stopped gambling on .dk I don't think there was a way to get around it without a ban

[Lewis]

When they stopped gambling on .dk I don't think there was a way to get around it without a ban


Wheel of Fortune on clones, here I come ;)

[Astronomist]

This will be the final nail in the coffin. If they stop gambling the economy will be destroyed and people will quit.

[GrandpaJoe63]

Lol, is habbo in a suicide mission or something?

Me and my pals used to gamble coins with SaltyBets,

[e5]

Coins would be rubbish I bet if this went ahead.

I'm guessing if the casinos don't change they won't be affected by the limit but if someone makes a new room / picks up dice, they wouldn't go back down, and I bet people with group rights but pick all to be an arse.

[Mr-Trainor]

Will be interesting to see what the limit is.

[Yawn]

surely they arent THAT stupid

[Daltron]

I don't see how it's a bad business move as a lot of casinos are affiliated with various black markets very closely and they wouldn't be seeing an income from these users anyway.

But I could be wrong it might ruin everything. What happened to the DK economy when gambling was removed?

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[Michael]

But I could be wrong it might ruin everything. What happened to the DK economy when gambling was removed?

The users soon fell so low that they removed the users online on the homepage. There is only 150 users online atm.

http://www.habbies.nl/widgets/online/

[iBlueBox]

Good. They should ban casinos.

[Brad]

Sulake trashed the game and now want to trash casinos, bad news.
Yeah, but this doesn't surprise me what so ever!


Good. They should ban casinos.
I wouldn't say it's a good thing that they're putting a limit on casinos, but if they are getting a high increase of complaints of scams, etc. They will try to regulate it as much as possible.

this is just extreme.. No reason for it... although you can't go on the trading section of rooms and not see like 20+ Casinos.. which is kind of frustrating.. They should have their own drop down menu.. "Casinos & Casino type Games"
I wonder also, if Casinos were to disappear would furniture trading be more apt to come back? As appose to coin only..
I remember when we used to trade furni for furni based upon the worth of it in the shop. (ex. 2 Mode sofas = Worth of a holodice) (One could dream of the old days.. haha!)

[Kardan]

Hallelujah! Habbox will be forced to have decent events :D

[FlyingJesus]

No limit's been stated, and surely it won't remove them from rooms that already have them in anyway since the code only gives a notification. People are getting worried far too early, and if it's a legal crackdown then it's likely that the notification.casino.too_many_dice={"display":"POP_ UP"} line will just be to give people a disclaimer when they enter the room

[LoveToStack]

If I had to guess I'd say that fridges and other drink dispensers work on exactly the same pseudo-random number generator as dice-masters and holodice do.

Pick a fridge item that dispenses 6 or more independent items. Assign a numerical value, 1-6, to 6 of those items and denote any excess items the fridge dispenses as having null value i.e you reroll if you pull a null item from the fridge. It would only be marginally more work than dice are because you'd have to take note of which items got pulled from the fridge since taking a new item replaces the old one (whereas with dice whatever rolled value just remains on the individual dice while you roll the others obviously).

I can't see them imposing a limit on number of fridges per room. Even if they did they'd need to factor in permutations of different fridge items since there are a load of items that dispense the same drinks. They'd probably just alter fridges to dish out drinks in a fixed order if this caught on (which would mean the end of Don't Get a Carrot, tragically).

[karter]

please lord let this happen i'm really tired of gambling idiots they're a mess

[KJK]

Habbo is asking for it. In one way I will be happy that the limit is gone, hopefully it will make it harder to gamble, which will help me helped I always am betting, and 70% of the time I walk out of a cino cleaned, and I find myself buying coins from oustide sources and I will get all of those coins cleaned in the casino the next day. I lose a ton of money that way, but still, I will no longer be a habbo player if they go through with this.

All of this started from the Great (not) Habbo Mute.

[sex]

Habbo is asking for it. In one way I will be happy that the limit is gone, hopefully it will make it harder to gamble, which will help me helped I always am betting, and 70% of the time I walk out of a cino cleaned, and I find myself buying coins from oustide sources and I will get all of those coins cleaned in the casino the next day. I lose a ton of money that way, but still, I will no longer be a habbo player if they go through with this.

All of this started from the Great (not) Habbo Mute.

or you know it being illegal for 12 years to gamble lol

[KJK]

or you know it being illegal for 12 years to gamble lol

That too. But mostly it is for my own sake so that I don't lose all my coins, you see :)

[B]

This has been a big part of habbo since early 2000s. I will quit if casinos are disallowed, many others will follow suit.

[Hyru]

If this limit is less than like 60 dice, this could spell disaster for the huge casino owners. As for casinos in general, maybe this means smaller casinos will thrive once again.

[Brad]

I'm pretty sure those who have said they were abandoning habbo once the changes began to habbo are still on and playing so the chances of people leaving because of a limit are slim.
Habbo is a drug, you can't run away from it. Once you're hooked, you're done. You keep coming back for more.
And let's be honest- we've seen how many changes to habbo? I think we can adapt to another.


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[Daltron]

Just wondering what people's thoughts are.

Do you think Sulake actually gain much money from people buying coins so they can go gamble them away or do you think majority of people affiliated with gambling use black markets and it wouldn't matter either way?

[user130523]

No limit's been stated, and surely it won't remove them from rooms that already have them in anyway since the code only gives a notification. People are getting worried far too early, and if it's a legal crackdown then it's likely that the notification.casino.too_many_dice={"display":"POP_ UP"} line will just be to give people a disclaimer when they enter the room
too
many
dice

[Kyle]

They should just release their own more regulated gambling system where each party has an equal chance of winning rather than the favour being on the dealer

[FlyingJesus]

too
many
dice

Well done, now learn to read and realise that there is not a specific limit that has been stated. As in no numbers. It even says that in your opening post.

[TheJokerEffect]

Sulake have been ruining habbo ever since 2010. What will people do now if people do quit :/ Maybe actual get lives. But Habbo won't be the same and hasn't been for a while :l

[jakey,,]

i personally as the top sino owner would love to return to smaller casino's in habbo ... would make casino's what they once used to be ... now the big casinos with 20-30booth casino's are full of LMS's which ruins people lives etc but i just hope it isn't a ridiculous low number or that's just ******ed, seeming as the dicemaster was once a habbo club item and probably have a few hundred thousand ... so meaning the dices got to go somewhere right? xD

[Hyru]

I'm all for the return of small casinos as well. Hopefully more creativity can be displayed now that the filthy rich habbos can't show off their huge bulks of supers. :P

[passion]

I think this would ultimately be a positive move. It is common knowledge, with staff also, that arcades and casinos are inextricably linked with the black market scene on Habbo. Habbo loses a lot of money because people buy gold bars from some of the most affluent users rather than using an official means to obtain credits. This is nothing new - but the problem is manifesting itself more and more. It is now more common than it ever has been, and that is coming from someone who has played Habbo for approximately ten years.

Although I only log in a few times a week now, if that, getting rid of these modern casinos which are making some users thousands of pounds and consequently losing Sulake tens of thousands of pounds will make Habbo a nicer place to be. A lot of the people won't quit in my opinion, it's all pretty baseless. Let us not forget the sort of people who use casinos are either striving to be known (rich) or making money irl - the first of these are not going to quit and the second are the profile of people who are eating into Sulake's profit margins.

However, betting is a big part of the game for a lot of people so what I would love to see is an official way to bet. For example, you go to a room on Habbo and double click a machine. A box pops up on your screen where you can enter your furni and effectively gamble it. If you win then you are automatically given two of the furni you bet, if you lose you lose the one item you put in. This would work, keep people happy, help get rid of the black market (of course people could use the black market to use these fabricated machines) and also eradicate the issue of scamming. It could even be weighed in the machine's favour: only pays out 40% of the time, or something - would still be a better system and make sense for Sulake to look into.

Main issue is that it would mean Sulake is endorsing gambling. Combine that with the fact that it is aimed at people who aren't legal to bet in their respective countries (on .com anyway) then we could be looking at another channel four-esque scandal hitting the hotel. However, I'd still be in favour as it would go a long way to diminishing the current arcades that are now synonymous with scamming, the black market, hacking and other ungodly goings on.

[GrandpaJoe63]

For example, you go to a room on Habbo and double click a machine. A box pops up on your screen where you can enter your furni and effectively gamble it. If you win then you are automatically given two of the furni you bet, if you lose you lose the one item you put in.

This will seriously screw up the economy.

[e5]

I don't see how it's a bad business move as a lot of casinos are affiliated with various black markets very closely and they wouldn't be seeing an income from these users anyway.

But I could be wrong it might ruin everything. What happened to the DK economy when gambling was removed?

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It's a bad business move because it would force users off the hotel who would otherwise buy coins. Although id love to see smaller old school casinos back

[Matt]

This shall be interesting ;o

[karter]

you people are writing essays on habbo economy CHILL

[da363bomb]

This will be the final nail in the coffin. If they stop gambling the economy will be destroyed and people will quit.

I agree casinos are the backbone of the economy. If they go you will see all supers and rare fall in price so quickly it wouldn't be worthless trading furni..

[October]

When did DK ban betting?

[Stadiums]

When did DK ban betting?

About this time last year according to Puhekupla

[Meanies]

I don't see why everyone is freaking out so much when there is no set numbers yet.. even though I rarely go into casinos when I am online, those that have 10+ booths mostly only have 3-4 with dealers actually in them.. say the limit was set to 50 or so, that still allows for 10 booths in a room. If people are really so desperate to have huge casinos, why not build two smaller rooms and split the casino between the two with teleports or whatnot

[passion]

I spoke to KitchenNinjette about this and she said she wasn't sure what it was about. Probably implemented by the development / coding guys. Anyone know any more information yet? i.e. spoken to staff members on console?

[Stadiums]

The sandbox hotel's safety page has this on under Habbo Way:
http://i.imgur.com/Vmj33vH.png
It's not on the main sites safety page:
http://i.imgur.com/Gax0HiF.png

[Lewis]

Oh god, even though it's in english, I hope it's not for habbo.com...

[lRhyss]

The sandbox hotel's safety page has this on under Habbo Way:
http://i.imgur.com/Vmj33vH.png
It's not on the main sites safety page:
http://i.imgur.com/Gax0HiF.png

The fact that it actually says:

"GamblingBetting and gambling is illegal for minors. Habbo is for a young audience. Don't turn their rooms into something resembling casinos."

Is worrying a little bit, but I doubt they will implement it...

[Plebings]

they really are opening a whole new can of worms with this. will all gambling be banned?

can imagine lots of underground betting done, butthurt losers reporting the winner, and will this also affect games? i mean p2s/p2p would have to be considered gambling.

obviously i doubt it'd go that far, especially since they are limiting dice, not banning them.

[Phil]

I hope it's not implemented. They took this really seriously on the Singapore hotel before the merge as I'm pretty sure gambling is illegal there for anyone. People were afraid that this would have straight after the merge.

[MKR&*42]

Wtf are they stupid unless they have some legal reason - i.e. a court order (as happened with the Danish hotel), then they shouldn't be trying to stop the gambling in the interests of the ''habbo economy'' and popularity. It will literally be the death of Habbo.com

[jorsian]

Time to sell all my dicemasters before this comes into effect. ^_^

[Daltron]

This is definitely indicating the end of casinos and I am absolutely certain this decision would not be made lightly. I hope they have had experts analyse their books to ensure when they go through with this there will be not much altered in terms of profitability.

I am even more convinced with the latest change in credit pricing and the increase in direct purchase room bundles that Sulake are going much better than they have in the past months/years.

Even if it flops and they see decrease in user activity but maintain profits is it really the end of the world? At the end of the day gambling is illegal for minors. +they can always subtly remove the ban if it does go wrong.

[Michael]

I think the betting thing is just for hotels where dice is already banned, but we'll see.

[GoldenMerc]

http://sandbox.habbo.com/safety/habbo_way

Gambling is not permitted :o

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Threads merged by e5 (Forum Super Moderator) as it is already posted here (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=796267&p=8118654#post8118654).

[e5]

I understand their point but it's ridiculous. Lots of habbos make their coins by not buying anything therefore it's not technically gambling, but could lead to gambling problems in real life (worst case scenario, doubt it's ever happened). So yeah, it's very unlikely to affect someone's real life and is a stupid move bum habbo. They could be crushed. Although calling them arcades may still get around the system. I don't know why they would stop something that makes habbo so successful

[:odey:]

little selfish in the way that it doesn't really bother me in anyway as long as its only casinos, but I do feel sorry for those that it does. & it is a silly move. Because I'm sure there are a LOT of people that just play habbo just for that aspect

[lRhyss]

"Resembling Casinos"

So, what about the slot machine furniture... So you can't make rooms look like casinos but they provide casino furniture?

Plus I've never seen a casino have 5 large dice with someone sat in the middle of them... So technically Habbo Casinos aren't resembling casinos at all :rolleyes:

[Mr-Trainor]

Will be interesting to see if the dice limit happens though. If it doesn't, then this may not mean any active action will be taken against casinos. Trolling is also on that page, and so is scamming, and both of those still happen.

[Zak]

Can't view the file but if they actually moderate this - I can imagine they will lose a huge chunk of the community. Then again Habbo have never been that good at policing - you could RWT hundreds of gold bars for nothing and that never got policed.

[Kyle]

considering all wired advancements it's going to be very hard to remove rng mechanics from the game entirely and so gambling will stay around for a long long time. this rule seems to only prohibit the outward appearance of rooms 'resembling casinos' and is just a followup from their rebranding to 'arcades' some months ago. rule looks like it's there only to protect minors from encountering rooms that encourage gambling, not to eradicate it completely.

[Hidden]

casinos died over the past year anyway, people will be selling all their thrones and *REMOVED* now dropping values of rares

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[lucaskf390]

this thriller isnt a good thing, whatever sulake decide, they have to do it fast

[j0rd]

won't it lead to buying/selling coins/furniture on black market sites more then?
if there is no way to gamble to get more furniture, the only way to gain furniture is to either buy coins directly from habbo or buy them through black market sites!

[jorsian]

The loss of gambling might stimulate the search for alternative sources of profit making such as trading. Or it might just completely destroy the economy and thus the hotel itself.

[Hidden]

private bets, simple.

[Shorty]

Good spot, well that's a game changer.

[Michael]

That's been on there for a few months now, it was added when the Habbo way 'trade not sell for real money' was implemented. I'm not sure if they're going ahead with it still, I mean it's been months since they uploaded it.

[Lewis]

private bets, simple.

Still a bit risky. How can you trust the other person to not report you?

[karter]

just do it already ....

[Hidden]

Still a bit risky. How can you trust the other person to not report you?

2 people in room, will be obvious who it is and they traded you **** to bet so either way you lose in the report

[Raiza]

I would actually love if regular casinos get forbidden. It would promote more trading, and i'm sure illegal casinos will exist anyway, just like in the spanish hotel in which bets are ilegal.

[OldLoveSong]

im so cheeeesed lol. wonder whats gonna happen

[Bankai90]

Well, look on the bright side. Problems that people is experiencing such as "scam" decreases. :D

[passion]

Sorry to spoil everyone's fun but I am 100% sure this image is not new. It came out before the too_many_dice code - many, many months before. Not all hotels allow gambling, there is nothing to suggest it is coming to .COM. However, I hope it does. Gambling is a breeding ground for black market activity, if they were gone, the black market would take a huge hit because a lot of the casino related people wouldn't use Habbo as much and therefore people who enjoy Habbo (thousands do) would be forced to buy credits with legitimate means.

If Sulake/Elisa had any sense they would implement this AT THE SAME TIME as announcing permanent credit cuts i.e. £3 for 60 credits rather than 30 or something or at the very least allow double credits all that weekend.

Of course, casino owners are always going to find a way around it. I saw one saying they could even use wired mazes. The gambler pays the dealer a throne and the dealer gets a headstart in a maze. If the gambler catches up and overtakes they win two: if they don't they lose. That is quite extreme; easier ways to gamble are wheels of fortune which are used on hotels where dices can't be rolled and things like fridges. Get a carrot = x2, tea =x3, milk = lost bet etc.

[Woutou]

I'm not sure about this, but everyone has been messaging me for the past hour talking about how like Habbo will be limiting Holodice/Dicemasters in rooms and or banning casinos? I can't really say that they are due to the fact I can't find any proof of it. :S

Thread merged by Nick (Forum Super Moderator): As they are the same topic.

[ghhghgh]

pretty long time ago people found code that suggested habbo may be limiting amount of dice in a room at one time.
people think this may affect casinos in an effort to stop gambling.
here's the code you want:

notification.casino.too_many_dice.placement={"display":"POP_UP"}
notification.casino.too_many_dice={"display":"POP_UP"}