Get rid of post your... junk threads

[scottish]

Can we get rid of specific ones, like post what you're wearing, post what you're watching etc

The main ones that are being used to boost post count.

I fail to see the logic in leaving these threads, but removing post count from spam (which this essentially is) or forum games, or anything of the like.

It's so blatantly used to boost post count and everyone knows it, do something about it Phil;

Either move them to forum games or whatever section is used for spam posts like that sort so they lose their post count and have wasted weeks of their life constantly trying to boost it (for the luls) or archive it so they keep post count and open new thread in forum games or where ever

or, enable post count in spam and forum games

it's illogical to leave it as it is.

[Kardan]

Worth noting that Skandair;, TheOneAndOnly; and @shockwave.2cc have all admitted that they post in there purely for post count (as shown by the now dead 'post any image' thread).

[scottish]

Yep, specific post your threads are fine

Such as post your desktop, post your speed, post your vehicle, post your set up etc as none of these are abused, they get maybe 1 post a day if they're lucky

Then you get Post what you're listening to, post what you're wearing, post what you're watching etc which probably gets like 100 a day ;l

[Yawn]

i was just about to make this thread

1) the same anti social ppl SPAM it. wats more these ppl dont even post in average threads or contribute to the forum at all. this is clear abuse of the thread
2) literally NO1 cares

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

http://i.minus.com/iMHi3ez0JSvOC.gif

[Phil]

Just putting this reply here so you don't think I've seen this and then ignored it. I'm about to go out and will be back in a few hours so I will reply properly then! :P

[Kardan]

Some examples: TheOneAndOnly; - 3,041 total posts.
543 posts in What are you listening to?
272 posts in What are you eating/drinking?
339 posts in What are you watching?
123 posts in What are you wearing?
Shockwave.2CC; - 4,735 posts
245 posts in What are you listening to?
121 posts in What are you eating/drinking?
1,024 posts in What are you watching?
48 posts in What are you wearing?

It gets worse if you want to include the 'congratulations' forum :P

[Yawn]

y dont u lads give us ur opinion (this forum gives post count)
we would LOVE to hear ur thoughts TheOneAndOnly; and Shockwave.2CC;

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Some examples: TheOneAndOnly; - 3,041 total posts.
543 posts in What are you listening to?
272 posts in What are you eating/drinking?
339 posts in What are you watching?
123 posts in What are you wearing?
Shockwave.2CC; - 4,735 posts
245 posts in What are you listening to?
121 posts in What are you eating/drinking?
1,024 posts in What are you watching?
48 posts in What are you wearing?

It gets worse if you want to include the 'congratulations' forum :P

oh the links didnt work :(
i was posting all of those posts on shockerz page that e5 exposed from the congrats forum -.-

[Eric]

Some examples: @TheOneAndOnly (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=9527); - 3,041 total posts.
543 posts in What are you listening to?
272 posts in What are you eating/drinking?
339 posts in What are you watching?
123 posts in What are you wearing?
@Shockwave.2CC (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53392); - 4,735 posts
245 posts in What are you listening to?
121 posts in What are you eating/drinking?
1,024 posts in What are you watching?
48 posts in What are you wearing?

It gets worse if you want to include the 'congratulations' forum :P

How do you check the posts

O/T post counts should be removed in those threads

[karter]

why would i post my junk

[Kardan]

How do you check the posts

O/T post counts should be removed in those threads

Click the
'Replies: 7,823
Views: 1,459,248'

At the side of the thread.

[Sian]

I don't mind them myself, but I completely see why you guys don't want it anymore and I would quite happily see them go as you guys are wanting proper conversational threads!

[buttons]

why would i post my junk
i totally need a post your junk thread in my life

[scottish]

no you don't buttons; -rep

[Kardan]

Search the What are you watching thread for the word 'news'.

What annoys me is that these people are free to do this, but you try and have a discussion with someone that involves more than one word, and you'll get a pointless post edit.

[karter]

ok calculating my posts in these threads

33 + 21 + 2 + 11 = 67 i'm a real ****** forum member you all are spamming pests

[scottish]

yeah, it's illogical to infract or warn people who are pointless posting outside of this, because the post might be off topic but it's still contributing towards a discussion, then allowing these people to post junk like that and get away with it

Either allow anyone to get post count everywhere (spam generates the most discussion let's be honest) and remove the pointless posting rule (to an extent, obviously replying kfmwoekfmweof is pointless still and against rules) OR remove the specific post your.. threads that are clearly heavily abused.

[mrwoooooooo]

OH NO. SOMEONE HAS A HIGH POST COUNT. ITS RUINING MY LIFE.

sthu

[The Don]

You guys always want something to moan about. This is like the 3rd or 4th time you lot have brought this up, it's not harming anyone and I don't see how someone have 1, 50 or 500 posts in a thread matters in the slightest, it's literally just looking for something to complain about.

*Waits for Kardan to make a dozen threads to somehow make a point*

[buttons]

init why give a **** about someone's post count on a forum like really
why
does
it
bother
you
all
get
a
life

[FlyingJesus]

Been proven time and time again that it's just done for post count; there's no discussion in the threads (in fact, discussion isn't allowed since supposedly it moves the thread off-topic) and the only arguments against getting rid of them or the post count in them are "THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR AGES" like slavery or "WHO CARES ABOUT POST COUNT" which surely means they should have no problem with the proposed changes
We saw it with forum games as well which are now infinitely less active since removing the post count


why would i post my junk

If you join HxL it's the thing to do


OH NO. SOMEONE HAS A HIGH POST COUNT. ITS RUINING MY LIFE.

sthu

Oh no I look like Morph

[The Don]

Been proven time and time again that it's just done for post count; there's no discussion in the threads (in fact, discussion isn't allowed since supposedly it moves the thread off-topic) and the only arguments against getting rid of them or the post count in them are "THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR AGES" like slavery or "WHO CARES ABOUT POST COUNT" which surely means they should have no problem with the proposed changes
We saw it with forum games as well which are now infinitely less active since removing the post count



If you join HxL it's the thing to do



Oh no I look like Morph

As opposed to the solid argument for removing them which is "IT GIVES THEM A BIGGER POST COUNT NUMBER!!!1!"

[FlyingJesus]

Yes. If it matters to one group and not another then it makes sense to appease those who it does seemingly affect ;) there's also the matter of forum awards and bonuses that you get from posting and these people are cheating the system; on HxF it's not just a single number in the corner that's affected

[The Don]

Yes. If it matters to one group and not another then it makes sense to appease those who it does seemingly affect ;) there's also the matter of forum awards and bonuses that you get from posting and these people are cheating the system; on HxF it's not just a single number in the corner that's affected


Appeasement has a great history of success

Just because people aren't vocal doesn't mean they don't have an opinion on it. I personally wouldn't remove threads (regardless of the content) that promote activity to appease a few people with such a trivial reason.

[Kardan]

Then if post count doesn't matter let's disable/enable it everywhere. If we have forums where it does or does not apply, then clearly it 'matters'. Why else would post count be disabled in spam?

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Also worth noting that More posts = More tokens = More VIP. More posts = Higher score on weekly posting stats = More likely to get VIP.

More VIP = Less VIP bought = Less revenue.

I doubt it impacts it much, but that is a consequence.

[The Don]

Then if post count doesn't matter let's disable/enable it everywhere. If we have forums where it does or does not apply, then clearly it 'matters'. Why else would post count be disabled in spam?

The rules are also different in spam, as far as i'm aware there are strict rules in place in the 'post your ...' threads whereas in spam you can post multiple times, bump old threads etc etc.

[mrwoooooooo]

Then if post count doesn't matter let's disable/enable it everywhere. If we have forums where it does or does not apply, then clearly it 'matters'. Why else would post count be disabled in spam?

If I owned Habbox I'd just hide post count from people's profiles.

[Jurv]

just leave them be they're causing no hassle whatsoever and make the forum look more active

who knows, the people that post in these threads might enjoy telling people what they're doing

tbh as long as you keep the music one i'm not that bothered but i can't see why they'd need removing

[FlyingJesus]

Activity isn't a boon in itself, it's only useful to anyone as a means to discussion which is actively discouraged in Post Your threads. Again, if these people don't care about post count and truly want to record what song they've just had on they'll continue doing it regardless of post count, and again there is more to it than just post count on HxF

[Kardan]

If I owned Habbox I'd just hide post count from people's profiles.

That would be a suitable solution.

[buttons]

let's take things away from people cause we personally don't like it!!11
but yh take away post count from it if it's such a big deal n harming everyone

[Kardan]

just leave them be they're causing no hassle whatsoever and make the forum look more active

who knows, the people that post in these threads might enjoy telling people what they're doing

tbh as long as you keep the music one i'm not that bothered but i can't see why they'd need removing

Nobody has said to remove the threads.

[The Don]

Nobody has said to remove the threads.

The title of this thread begs to differ...

[Kardan]

The title of this thread begs to differ...

If you read the OP the action he suggests doesn't include removing them, just moving them or enabling post count else where :P

[The Don]

If you read the OP the action he suggests doesn't include removing them, just moving them or enabling post count else where :P

I just looked at the op and the very first line is "Can we get rid of specific ones, like post what you're wearing, post what you're watching etc". Anyway I don't particularly want to discuss semantics with you. We've had them moved before and they were promptly moved back as it didn't work out.

[FlyingJesus]

It worked fine when they were moved before, there was never a reason to move them back

[Yawn]

they get tokens as well which can be used to buy stuffs

ive said b4 with the fast threads topic ppl should post where interests u and if u dont like a thread dont post. but like....this actually is pointless, they just spam for the sake of it theres literally no point.....just why

[Kardan]

I just looked at the op and the very first line is "Can we get rid of specific ones, like post what you're wearing, post what you're watching etc". Anyway I don't particularly want to discuss semantics with you. We've had them moved before and they were promptly moved back as it didn't work out.

What didn't work out about it? Because they became inactive?

And what was the sole reason they became inactive? Because people couldn't post boost on them :P

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Also, if I made some more pointless threads like:

'Post an interesting word' and 'Post what you see to your left' - these would probably get removed, but they would offer the same amount of discussion as the current threads :P

[karter]

what you're eating/wearing/watching/listening/[insert a verb] is not bringing activity to the forum as theres no discussion. sorry but no thanks

[The Don]

What didn't work out about it? Because they became inactive?

And what was the sole reason they became inactive? Because people couldn't post boost on them :P

You're missing the point, nobody gains anything from the threads becoming inactive, the only thing that happens is Habbox loses a bit of activity. I don't think we should purposefully lower activity because certain people are gaining imaginary points from it.

[Yawn]

maybe the spammers would actually start posting with the rest of the community when they have no option to spam

[Kardan]

You're missing the point, nobody gains anything from the threads becoming inactive, the only thing that happens is Habbox loses a bit of activity. I don't think we should purposefully lower activity because certain people are gaining imaginary points from it.

But how is people spamming counted as activity?
I don't see anyone crying when certain forum games become 'dead'.

And if we're only worried about activity, then surely we should enable post count in the forum games section?

My point is, I don't care if Habbox's stance is 'We care about people boosting' or 'We don't care about people boosting' - they just need to be consistent.

If they care: Disable post count from these spam threads
If they don't care: Enable/Disable post count everywhere

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Also, does that mean if we have a new 50 'Post your...' threads, then Habbox will celebrate it's new surge in activity?

[FlyingJesus]

Akeam why are you so adamantly ignoring the fact that it's not just post count that gets affected even though it's been stated multiple times

[Kardan]

And then why do you have a problem with me posting loads of new 'Post your...' threads if it's only increasing activity? :P

[The Don]

But how is people spamming counted as activity?
I don't see anyone crying when certain forum games become 'dead'.

And if we're only worried about activity, then surely we should enable post count in the forum games section?

My point is, I don't care if Habbox's stance is 'We care about people boosting' or 'We don't care about people boosting' - they just need to be consistent.

If they care: Disable post count from these spam threads
If they don't care: Enable/Disable post count everywhere

The fact that people continuously post in those threads shows that there is interest in them. If there wasn't, they would go inactive like all the 'post your' threads which skandair made. Just because you don't use those threads and dislike them doesn't mean others feel the same, and we shouldn't change something when there's virtually nothing lost from them remaining the way they are now.

In response to your 'consistence' worries, again, the rules in spam are very different from outside spam, and there are strict rules in place in those threads to prevent double posting etc which is why post count is enabled in one and not the other.

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And then why do you have a problem with me posting loads of new 'Post your...' threads if it's only increasing activity? :P

Do what you want. I personally think that's a ridiculously childish thing to do and doesn't do anything to make your point stronger.

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Akeam why are you so adamantly ignoring the fact that it's not just post count that gets affected even though it's been stated multiple times

Are you referring to tokens? If so, how many do you actually gain from one post, and is it a negligible amount?

[FlyingJesus]

The fact that people continuously post in those threads shows that there is interest in them. If there wasn't, they would go inactive

Like forum games when the exact same arguments were made


Are you referring to tokens? If so, how many do you actually gain from one post, and is it a negligible amount?

No-one's talking about one post

[Kardan]

The fact that people continuously post in those threads shows that there is interest in them. If there wasn't, they would go inactive like all the 'post your' threads which skandair made. Just because you don't use those threads and dislike them doesn't mean others don't like them and we shouldn't change something when there's virtually nothing lost from them remaining the way they are now.

In response to your 'consistence' worries, again, the rules in spam are very different from outside spam, and there are strict rules in place in those threads to prevent double posting etc which is why post count is enabled in one and not the other.

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Do what you want. I personally think that's a ridiculously childish thing to do and doesn't do anything to make your point stronger.

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Are you referring to tokens? If so, how many do you actually gain from one post, and is it a negligible amount?

Quite obviously if post count was enabled in spam, you wouldn't be able to double post.
And surely the fact the threads only remained active when post count was enabled, shows you what the interest in those threads is?

And this is my point, you don't have a problem with the current 'Post your...' threads, but if I post them, it's ridiculously childish :P

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The fact that people continuously post in those threads shows that there is interest in them. If there wasn't, they would go inactive like all the 'post your' threads which skandair made. Just because you don't use those threads and dislike them doesn't mean others feel the same, and we shouldn't change something when there's virtually nothing lost from them remaining the way they are now.

In response to your 'consistence' worries, again, the rules in spam are very different from outside spam, and there are strict rules in place in those threads to prevent double posting etc which is why post count is enabled in one and not the other.

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Do what you want. I personally think that's a ridiculously childish thing to do and doesn't do anything to make your point stronger.

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Are you referring to tokens? If so, how many do you actually gain from one post, and is it a negligible amount?

5 per post plus additional tokens for how long a post is (so let's just say 5, considering they're usually one word answers).

So from the examples I posted on the first page, two people alone have earned 6,000-7,000+ tokens from these threads alone.

[mrwoooooooo]

The fact that people continuously post in those threads shows that there is interest in them. If there wasn't, they would go inactive like all the 'post your' threads which skandair made. Just because you don't use those threads and dislike them doesn't mean others feel the same, and we shouldn't change something when there's virtually nothing lost from them remaining the way they are now.

In response to your 'consistence' worries, again, the rules in spam are very different from outside spam, and there are strict rules in place in those threads to prevent double posting etc which is why post count is enabled in one and not the other.

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Do what you want. I personally think that's a ridiculously childish thing to do and doesn't do anything to make your point stronger.

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Are you referring to tokens? If so, how many do you actually gain from one post, and is it a negligible amount?

just ignore them lol, they have nothing better to do than moan about things on a habbo forum

Kardan's proved before he can go on about these threads for days

[Kardan]

TheOneAndOnly; has earned 6,385 tokens from those 4 spam threads - That's 55 credits, or 3 months of donator (£3 loss)
Shockwave.2CC; has earned 7,190 tokens from those 4 spam threads - That's 60 credits, or 3 months of VIP (£4.50 loss)

[The Don]

Like forum games when the exact same arguments were made

And forum games is considerably less active than before. The motive for people posting in threads is irrelevant and besides the point, and not everybody posting in those threads will fall into the same category. I very much doubt people such as cameron, dan, jen etc post in those threads to cheat the system and get extra tokens or whatever else, that's not me denying that a very small minority do post in there to get extra tokens etc but again, that doesn't affect anybody else in a negative way.


No-one's talking about one post

Well it's extremely tedious to rack up a large amount of posts in those threads, and if people were that hellbent on getting their post count up to receive extra tokens or whatever else they gain from it, they would just go to new posts and reply to the last so many threads with generic answers. In fact, it's harder to boost your count from the 'Post your' threads due to the strict rules which were put in place recently where you have to wait for so many people to post in order to re-post.

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Quite obviously if post count was enabled in spam, you wouldn't be able to double post.
And surely the fact the threads only remained active when post count was enabled, shows you what the interest in those threads is?

Then that removes the whole point of what spam is. Spam with a post count and normal rules is discuss anything, which if I remember correctly you suggested removing not too long ago.


And this is my point, you don't have a problem with the current 'Post your...' threads, but if I post them, it's ridiculously childish :P

Because you would be doing it in order to prove some asinine point...

[Kardan]

And forum games is considerably less active than before. The motive for people posting in threads is irrelevant and besides the point, and not everybody posting in those threads will fall into the same category. I very much doubt people such as cameron, dan, jen etc post in those threads to cheat the system and get extra tokens or whatever else, that's not me denying that a very small minority do post in there to get extra tokens etc but again, that doesn't affect anybody else in a negative way.



Well it's extremely tedious to rack up a large amount of posts in those threads, and if people were that hellbent on getting their post count up to receive extra tokens or whatever else they gain from it, they would just go to new posts and reply to the last so many threads with generic answers. In fact, it's harder to boost your count from the 'Post your' threads due to the strict rules which were put in place recently where you have to wait for so many people to post in order to re-post.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=741587&page=175

So that is currently set at 0 people?

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AndI agree The Don; - I don't think Cameron, Jen post in there to abuse the system, so surely they wouldn't have a problem if they don't get post count for it?

What are they losing out on if the thread gets moved?

[The Don]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=741587&page=175

So that is currently set at 0 people?

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Then report it for double posting?



AndI agree The Don; - I don't think Cameron, Jen post in their to abuse the system, so surely they wouldn't have a problem if they don't get post count for it?

What are they losing out on if the thread gets moved?

You're thinking about this wrong, you are the one advocating change and it is therefore your duty to provide an argument as to why. Saying "Well why would it matter to them if it changed?" is besides the point, Why SHOULD it change?

[FlyingJesus]

And forum games is considerably less active than before.

My point exactly


The motive for people posting in threads is irrelevant and besides the point

No, it's the entire point


and not everybody posting in those threads will fall into the same category. I very much doubt people such as cameron, dan, jen etc post in those threads to cheat the system and get extra tokens or whatever else

And if they don't care about such things then removing the post count won't affect them and we'll still have the activity


that's not me denying that a very small minority do post in there to get extra tokens etc but again, that doesn't affect anybody else in a negative way.

If it's a very small minority doing it for that reason then (again) the activity will surely remain if post count is rightly disabled in non-discussive threads, since "a very small minority" won't be missed from them


Well it's extremely tedious to rack up a large amount of posts in those threads

Not really when it's people who come on the forum for a couple of minutes then go off again for a few hours right away


and if people were that hellbent on getting their post count up to receive extra tokens or whatever else they gain from it, they would just go to new posts and reply to the last so many threads with generic answers

Which people also do


Why SHOULD it change?

What have you really not read the thread at all

[Kardan]

The Don; - could you link me to where I said we should remove 'Discuss Anything' - I don't remember saying that.
mrwoooooooo; - Looks like you like to complain about crap threads as well :P

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=794633

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Then report it for double posting?



You're thinking about this wrong, you are the one advocating change and it is therefore your duty to provide an argument as to why. Saying "Well why would it matter to them if it changed?" is besides the point, Why SHOULD it change?

This thread has people alternate posting, so there isn't a rule of 'You should wait until X people have posted'

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=566384&page=2918

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Then report it for double posting?



You're thinking about this wrong, you are the one advocating change and it is therefore your duty to provide an argument as to why. Saying "Well why would it matter to them if it changed?" is besides the point, Why SHOULD it change?

Umm... this whole thread?
People are boosting for post count, and not taking part in other discussions around the forum. Boosting for post count means boosting for tokens which results in a loss of credits for Habbox which could be better spent elsewhere, or a loss in VIP (Also the 100 posts = VIP thing), which means less people need to buy VIP/Donator, resulting in less money for Habbox.

Also, the rules are simply inconsistent. It's okay to post 'News' in what you're watching, but you can make a longer post somewhere else on the forum which is part of a discussion and get warned for a 'pointless post'. It's illogical.

[The Don]

My point exactly

So you want to reduce activity even more?




No, it's the entire point


It isn't because the result is the same regardless of the motive.



And if they don't care about such things then removing the post count won't affect them and we'll still have the activity

But as we've clarified some people do care about it which will reduce the activity.



If it's a very small minority doing it for that reason then (again) the activity will surely remain if post count is rightly disabled in non-discussive threads, since "a very small minority" won't be missed from them
Depends how it's done, if they are all moved to spam or a specific sub forum then activity will die regardless because they will be buried out of the way. Unless they are kept where they are with the post counts disabled for those particular threads.


Not really when it's people who come on the forum for a couple of minutes then go off again for a few hours right away
I think you're generalising a bit, but again, shockwave popping on for his daily 'Post what you're listening to' post doesn't affect you in the slightest, you have lost anything from him doing so.



Which people also do
So the problem is going to persist with or without these threads, should we then remove post count from the entire forum to prevent people doing so?


What have you really not read the thread at all

Nice, taking a quote out of context...

[Charz777]

I hope you all realise that once Aiden has got it out of his system ranting and proving points on here, I get to listen to the whole rant again IRL :P

Please don't wind him up :P

[Kardan]

I think you're generalising a bit, but again, shockwave popping on for his daily 'Post what you're listening to' post doesn't affect you in the slightest, you have lost anything from him doing so.

I won't lose anything if Phil decides to give Bolt660 100,000 tokens and free VIP for life, but I'd still complain about it :P

[The Don]

The Don; - could you link me to where I said we should remove 'Discuss Anything' - I don't remember saying that.
mrwoooooooo; - Looks like you like to complain about crap threads as well :P

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=794633

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This thread has people alternate posting, so there isn't a rule of 'You should wait until X people have posted'

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=566384&page=2918

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Umm... this whole thread?
People are boosting for post count, and not taking part in other discussions around the forum. Boosting for post count means boosting for tokens which results in a loss of credits for Habbox which could be better spent elsewhere, or a loss in VIP (Also the 100 posts = VIP thing), which means less people need to buy VIP/Donator, resulting in less money for Habbox.

Also, the rules are simply inconsistent. It's okay to post 'News' in what you're watching, but you can make a longer post somewhere else on the forum which is part of a discussion and get warned for a 'pointless post'. It's illogical.

I get that you're big on things being logical but this is a habbo forum, with the rules written by people ranging from as young as 15 and up so it's ridiculous to expect a perfect ruleset. If people are boosting for post count they are not going to take part in other discussions with or without these threads, so all you're doing is discouraging people who don't break the rules from posting in those threads. Clearly your argument isn't about credits or one over concern for habbox when you were arguing the exact same thing before the credits system was introduced, so don't try and act as if your reason has any more substance to it than besides things being inconsistent.

[Yawn]

so we move these threads to spam gr8

ppl can still post if they r so eager to tell us wat they r wearing and the spammers will stop being rewarded for their spam perfect

[-:Undertaker:-]

If people are posting to get their post count up then good, we need more posting around the forum.

Can people stop getting jealous over others post counts? It's so boring. If you fear other people overtaking your post count then here's a revolutionary idea: post more yourself. If not, shh.

[The Don]

so we move these threads to spam gr8

ppl can still post if they r so eager to tell us wat they r wearing and the spammers will stop being rewarded for their spam perfect

People will still spam the newposts so all you've done is discourage those who don't care about tokens from posting in those threads.

[mrwoooooooo]

I hope you all realise that once Aiden has got it out of his system ranting and proving points on here, I get to listen to the whole rant again IRL :P

Please don't wind him up :P
just throw something at him

and Kardan; I'm beyond caring about habbox and forum. it's always going to be same old people posting the same old ****.

[Kardan]

I get that you're big on things being logical but this is a habbo forum, with the rules written by people ranging from as young as 15 and up so it's ridiculous to expect a perfect ruleset. If people are boosting for post count they are not going to take part in other discussions with or without these threads, so all you're doing is discouraging people who don't break the rules from posting in those threads. Clearly your argument isn't about credits or one over concern for habbox when you were arguing the exact same thing before the credits system was introduced, so don't try and act as if your reason has any more substance to it than besides things being inconsistent.

A7. Do not post pointlessly ~ ~ Do not post off-topic ~ An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic or any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.
~ Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are (ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!); (BYRDSB +HKK; ) (I am a plane)
~ Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion. Repeatably posting short replies such as "Yes" or "Nope" is also forbidden. What is classed as pointless or abuse is entirely down to the discretion of the Forum Department.
~ You may not make posts that contain plain images only. Images that includes text are allowed so long as they are relevant to the threads discussion. This rule does not apply to the forum games or spam forums.

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People will still spam the newposts so all you've done is discourage those who don't care about tokens from posting in those threads.

Why have we discouraged those people from posting in those threads?

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just throw something at him

and Kardan; I'm beyond caring about habbox and forum. it's always going to be same old people posting the same old ****.

But you care about me constantly moaning - nice to know you care about me :) :P

[FlyingJesus]

So you want to reduce activity even more?

I want to reduce non-discussive posting


But as we've clarified some people do care about it which will reduce the activity.

Is it enough people to make an impact on activity or so few that it's not an issue? You can't have it both ways depending on which flawed point you're trying to back


Depends how it's done, if they are all moved to spam or a specific sub forum then activity will die regardless because they will be buried out of the way.

...Which would again prove that people aren't that bothered about posting in those kind of threads. People who are regulars regardless of their activity in them don't require them and therefore you can't use such people as an argument for increased activity, and again again again again again activity for activity's sake is not important, especially when it's non-discussive


I think you're generalising a bit, but again, shockwave popping on for his daily 'Post what you're listening to' post doesn't affect you in the slightest, you have lost anything from him doing so.

I think you're generalising by suggesting that that's the extent of the use in those threads. As said before, it's not an issue of just one post


So the problem is going to persist with or without these threads, should we then remove post count from the entire forum to prevent people doing so?

So A problem is going to persist, not this one if it's sorted out. Your reasoning here seems to be along the lines of "well if we can't stop all crime why bother trying to stop any?"


Nice, taking a quote out of context...

How is that out of context? You asked Kardan why it ought to change despite it having been made abundantly clear several times. If I'd quoted the entire paragraph it would still have amounted to the same thing


If people are posting to get their post count up then good, we need more posting around the forum.

No we don't, we need more discussion and social involvement

[Yawn]

People will still spam the newposts so all you've done is discourage those who don't care about tokens from posting in those threads.

well these spammers dont actually post in other threads so if it made them focus their activity in a non spammy/pointless way that is gd for the forum activity and they still get the post count/tokens that they want :S

[The Don]

A7. Do not post pointlessly ~ ~ Do not post off-topic ~ An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic or any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.
~ Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are (ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!); (BYRDSB +HKK; ) (I am a plane)
~ Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion. Repeatably posting short replies such as "Yes" or "Nope" is also forbidden. What is classed as pointless or abuse is entirely down to the discretion of the Forum Department.
~ You may not make posts that contain plain images only. Images that includes text are allowed so long as they are relevant to the threads discussion. This rule does not apply to the forum games or spam forums.

Thanks for that? Which thread has only 'yes' or 'no' as response to it then?


Why have we discouraged those people from posting in those threads?
because those threads will be buried if they are moved to spam...

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well these spammers dont actually post in other threads so if it made them focus their activity in a non spammy/pointless way that is gd for the forum activity and they still get the post count/tokens that they want :S

Shockwaves hardly going to start writing 1,000 word essays on the European Union because the post what you're listening to thread has been moved to spam.

[FlyingJesus]

SUCH AS

[Kardan]

Thanks for that? Which thread has only 'yes' or 'no' as response to it then?


because those threads will be buried if they are moved to spam...

The rule states 'such as', so that's an example. You look at 'What have you watched recently', and you'll find loads of one word replies. Such as 'News' - I'm sure it happens in the other threads (except maybe What are you listening).

And who says they should be moved to spam? I think they should be moved to Forum Games (or we get another sub-forum with post count disabled :P)

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Also if 'Activity' is all we're bothered about, shall we just set up some bots to post in these threads, so that the number of posts on the forum go up? Because the impression I get is that 'Activity' really matters, but it doesn't matter what type of activity it is.

[Yawn]

all you've done is discourage those who don't care about tokens from posting in those threads.

i dont understand this point. surely if they dont care about tokens then that is even more reason to move it to spam. some1 that doesnt care about tokens isnt going to be discouraged by a thread not giving them tokens/post count, no?

[-:Undertaker:-]

No we don't, we need more discussion and social involvement

If you want that then post more interesting threads to spark some discussion..... stop relying on others to do it for you and even more so - stop trying to penalise people who aren't interested in super heavy discussions.

I think a lot of you seem to forget that out of us lot, we are now in our twenties: younger forum members aren't interested in heavy discussions, they just want a place to be a bit silly/something that suits their age range. This is a Habbo Hotel forum, not a forum for people in their twenties or an academic platform.

[FlyingJesus]

BUT IF THEY MOVE SOMEWHERE HOW WILL ANYONE EVER FIND THEM!!!!!! because new posts and activity stream are never used and it's really difficult to find anything new as proved by how Draw My Thing totally has no-one involved

and I do post threads that spark discussion. I also post posts that spark discussion

[Stephen]

too.. many.. posts......... cba to read

post your threads are pointless but post count and rep are sooo last century

[Kardan]

If you want that then post more interesting threads to spark some discussion..... stop relying on others to do it for you and even more so - stop trying to penalise people who aren't interested in super heavy discussions.

I think a lot of you seem to forget that out of us lot, we are now in our twenties: younger forum members aren't interested in heavy discussions, they just want a place to be a bit silly/something that suits their age range. This is a Habbo Hotel forum, not a forum for people in their twenties or an academic platform.

Then shouldn't we enable post count in forum games and spam as well? Is that not penalising the people that only feel like posting in those areas of the forum?

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Also, having a quick look through the 'What are you watching?' we're getting posts such as:

TV Show Episode 28

TV Show Episode 29

TV Show Episode 30


How is that any different to 'Count to 100 before a MOD posts', which doesn't have post count enabled?

[Yawn]

the spammers dont post outside of these threads because they dont have to...they just post over and over in the same thread and boost their tokens and post count. like....they NEVER post outside of these threads. just look at the breakdown of their postcounts on the first page

if shockerz is no longer able to endlessly spam these threads for postcount surely he will post where he can get postcount, and those posts are going to have be more meaningful and promote discussion, if he spams the other threads he will be warned for spamming/pointless posting (as he has been recently for posting "congratzz" like 20 times in a row in 20 different congrats threads - look at his vms)

anyway will check back later xx

[FlyingJesus]

As I recall, Dan does believe that spam should have a post count too

[-:Undertaker:-]

Then shouldn't we enable post count in forum games and spam as well? Is that not penalising the people that only feel like posting in those areas of the forum?

I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Sure, i'd sink right down the post count rankings as would you..... but so what?

[Kardan]

Wow, even forum mods are doing it:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=613830&page=940

You cannot deny Derrener's 2nd post on that page is purely for post count.

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I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Sure, i'd sink right down the post count rankings as would you..... but so what?

I would sink so far down as my spam count is pretty low compared to others, and likewise for forum games (Although the Mole might raise that, I don't know).

But you're right, so what. I couldn't care less what happens to my post count, it's just annoying that the forum is inconsistent. I could make a comment on a Current Affairs that doesn't relate to the OP, but creates discussion and that is considered a 'Pointless Post', but saying 'Jeremy Kyle' over and over again isn't pointless and generates no discussion.

[The Don]

BUT IF THEY MOVE SOMEWHERE HOW WILL ANYONE EVER FIND THEM!!!!!! because new posts and activity stream are never used and it's really difficult to find anything new as proved by how Draw My Thing totally has no-one involved

and I do post threads that spark discussion. I also post posts that spark discussion

Lol, you're still yet to give a reason as to how someone getting additional tokens from posting in a thread which you're quite perfectly capable of posting in yourself somehow is a problem. Yes, they get tokens quicker, more for them. The only issue I can think of that actually affects you is having to see them in the forum index. Removing the threads won't spark an increase in the quality of posts, all it will do is deter those users who could potentially become stronger contributors in the future from posting. Preventing people from posting what they are currently listening to isn't going to add more quality posts to the forum, it will just remove the ones you deem unworthy.

[Kardan]

Lol, you're still yet to give a reason as to how someone getting additional tokens from posting in a thread which you're quite perfectly capable of posting in yourself somehow is a problem. Yes, they get tokens quicker, more for them. The only issue I can think of that actually affects you is having to see them in the forum index. Removing the threads won't spark an increase in the quality of posts, all it will do is deter those users who could potentially become stronger contributors in the future from posting. Preventing people from posting what they are currently listening to isn't going to add more quality posts to the forum, it will just remove the ones you deem unworthy.

Once again, moving the threads or disabling post count there/enabling post count everywhere does not prevent people posting.

[The Don]

Once again, moving the threads or disabling post count there/enabling post count everywhere does not prevent people posting.

You're still yet to give a reason as to how someone getting additional tokens from posting in a thread which you're quite perfectly capable of posting in yourself somehow is a problem.

[Kardan]

You're still yet to give a reason as to how someone getting additional tokens from posting in a thread which you're quite perfectly capable of posting in yourself somehow is a problem.

Faster rate of token gain means a faster rate in which Habbox loses VIP/Credits, as explained before.

[The Don]

Faster rate of token gain means a faster rate in which Habbox loses VIP/Credits, as explained before.

But again, you were complaining about these threads before tokens were introduced so that clearly isn't your reason.
Obviously 'Habbox' doesn't care about this because the threads were moved to a subforum before and moved back due to inactivity.

I would also like to mention that habbox doesn't lose anything, this is a flawed argument similar to one used in piracy. The heads of big record companies complain that people downloading their artists newest albums results in losses for the company, but that's assuming they were intending to buy the item before they downloaded it, which isn't the case. People getting vip doesn't affect habbox because those same people never intended to buy it.

[Kardan]

But again, you were complaining about these threads before tokens were introduced so that clearly isn't your reason.
Obviously 'Habbox' doesn't care about this because the threads were moved to a subforum before and moved back due to inactivity.

I would also like to mention that habbox doesn't lose anything, this is a flawed argument similar to one used in piracy. The heads of big record companies complain that people downloading their artists newest albums results in losses for the company, but that's assuming they were intending to buy the item before they downloaded it, which isn't the case. People getting vip doesn't affect habbox because those same people never intended to buy it.

Well if my argument is void because I can't prove that those people would have bought VIP if they didn't have tokens, then I guess yours is equally void, since there is no proof they wouldn't have bought VIP if they had the tokens :P

And you asked for my reason why I dislike people getting tokens faster, so I'm not sure why you've said stuff about before tokens.

Before tokens, I was complaining about post count counting in some places yet not others, is that not obvious from this thread?

[The Don]

Well if my argument is void because I can't prove that those people would have bought VIP if they didn't have tokens, then I guess yours is equally void, since there is no proof they wouldn't have bought VIP if they had the tokens :P

And you asked for my reason why I dislike people getting tokens faster, so I'm not sure why you've said stuff about before tokens.

Before tokens, I was complaining about post count counting in some places yet not others, is that not obvious from this thread?

Surely the burden of proof is on you to prove that habbox is actually losing out on people buying vip/donator since you're the one that made the claim.

[David]

might not be losing out on people buying donator/vip but tokens can be used for credits which habbox will lose

dont care about these threads though, not hard to ignore

[Kardan]

Surely the burden of proof is on you to prove that habbox is actually losing out on people buying vip/donator since you're the one that made the claim.

Well, looking at sales figures you can see that Habbox has gave out 635 credits, and 1 year and 10 months of VIP - but without asking staff who bought the VIP, you can't find that out.

As I said earlier, I don't believe it impacts that much on VIP (I suspect all the other forms of VIP are probably a much bigger issue), but it is a consequence.

And every single time I've made a point or asked a question, you just avoid it by asking me another question :P

[Empired]

I actually did read the whole thread and we seem to just be going round in circles now. Basically I picked out the main arguments a few people were trying to make and posted my own reply to them. Can't believe I'm risking posting a real opinion on the internet :(

"Disabling the post counts for these threads would just reduce activity on the forum."
First of all, that argument only partially makes sense. Although the number of posts per day is going up, fewer and fewer people will be making new threads if they can just keep recycling posts in the current ones. Secondly, if the only thing Habbox cares about these days is how many posts people are making per day, I don't particularly want to be a part of this forum anymore. The forum should be about allowing proper discussion to take place (no matter what the original post was about) that should interest people and make them want to contribute. Which brings me to my second point...

"But the people who post in there do find it interesting!!!"
Lol what. Yeah ok, the 'non-spammers' in there (like Cameron, Jen, etc) post in there because they genuinely want to share what they're listening to or whatever, but there is no way anybody (the poster OR the reader) is even slightly interested in the fact that someone watched the news this morning. I'm sure if I asked TheOneTheOnly and Shockwave.2CC if they actually read the other posts people made in that thread their answer would be no. Other than people like Kardan scrolling through it to find posts to back up his points, who actually reads what other people are wearing at the moment?! And I get the feeling Jen, Cameron, etc wouldn't stop posting in those threads after they had their post counts disabled. It's not like the threads would disappear completely.

"Habbox doesn't lose anything from these threads."
Not technically true. Kardan made the point about people racking up tokens which loses people wanting to buy VIP, plus it means people can take credits from us. I know £3 or whatever doesn't seem like that much of a difference but didn't someone in a feedback thread a while ago saying that Habbox was actually losing money? When that's the case, £3 can be pretty big. And for the whole 'Those people weren't going to buy VIP anyway so who cares' thing.. This just gives them another reason not to buy it? How would we know if they're going to buy VIP or not? They've never needed to buy it because it's already given out left, right and centre.

Plus I've never heard of anybody joining a forum so they can tell everyone what they had for breakfast.. Because most people join forums because they see the discussion levels are high and about things that interest them. So I could even argue that Habbox could be losing potential forum members because the number of 'interesting' (this isn't the word I'm looking for but I can't be bothered to think of a better one) threads is dwindling due to people posting in the Post Your.. threads.

Also, even if you still argue that Habbox isn't losing anything, what are we gaining? A more 'impressive'-looking overall post count at the bottom of the forum? What else? Please enlighten me.

"If you don't like people getting their post count up that way, why can't you just make more interesting threads yourself?"
I know people are saying this argument isn't about who has a high post count and things, but I assume post count must matter (even if it's just a little bit) to some people who have been on this forum for years. They've worked hard and contributed to hundreds if not thousands of threads but then some spammer comes along and gets a few thousand posts in a year? Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think everyone would be thrilled about that. Still, that seems to only be a tiny part of it but other people have already made those other points.

Oh yeah, and "make more interesting threads yourself"? Why should we spend a lot of time writing long, insightful posts when other people can breeze 300 tokens a day by telling us each time they listen to a different song? And even when we do post them, those threads sometimes get drowned out because the What are you listening to? thread keeps getting pushed back up to the top spot.

"Who even cares anyway"
This argument just makes me sad. For one, it can be used to argue both for and against moving the Post Your.. threads so seems pretty invalid to me anyway. And also, this is Habbox Feedback. A place to discuss things you do care about. If we've reached page 9 or 10 of this thread plus the three or four other threads about the same issue, it's clear that people do care.

I had other points but 1) I've forgotten them and 2) I've just noticed the time and I was supposed to start an essay nearly an hour and a half ago :(

[Yawn]

the ppl in question (as said at the start of the thread) actually admit themselves that they only do it to boost their post count :S i dont get why this is even a discussion. wat gd is a thread full of post boosting, more so when its against the rules to pointless post? if u take the spammers out the thread would be dead..

i think its all v silly

[The Don]

I actually did read the whole thread and we seem to just be going round in circles now. Basically I picked out the main arguments a few people were trying to make and posted my own reply to them. Can't believe I'm risking posting a real opinion on the internet :(

"Disabling the post counts for these threads would just reduce activity on the forum."
First of all, that argument only partially makes sense. Although the number of posts per day is going up, fewer and fewer people will be making new threads if they can just keep recycling posts in the current ones. Secondly, if the only thing Habbox cares about these days is how many posts people are making per day, I don't particularly want to be a part of this forum anymore. The forum should be about allowing proper discussion to take place (no matter what the original post was about) that should interest people and make them want to contribute. Which brings me to my second point...

"But the people who post in there do find it interesting!!!"
Lol what. Yeah ok, the 'non-spammers' in there (like Cameron, Jen, etc) post in there because they genuinely want to share what they're listening to or whatever, but there is no way anybody (the poster OR the reader) is even slightly interested in the fact that someone watched the news this morning. I'm sure if I asked TheOneTheOnly and Shockwave.2CC if they actually read the other posts people made in that thread their answer would be no. Other than people like Kardan scrolling through it to find posts to back up his points, who actually reads what other people are wearing at the moment?! And I get the feeling Jen, Cameron, etc wouldn't stop posting in those threads after they had their post counts disabled. It's not like the threads would disappear completely.

"Habbox doesn't lose anything from these threads."
Not technically true. Kardan made the point about people racking up tokens which loses people wanting to buy VIP, plus it means people can take credits from us. I know £3 or whatever doesn't seem like that much of a difference but didn't someone in a feedback thread a while ago saying that Habbox was actually losing money? When that's the case, £3 can be pretty big. And for the whole 'Those people weren't going to buy VIP anyway so who cares' thing.. This just gives them another reason not to buy it? How would we know if they're going to buy VIP or not? They've never needed to buy it because it's already given out left, right and centre.

Plus I've never heard of anybody joining a forum so they can tell everyone what they had for breakfast.. Because most people join forums because they see the discussion levels are high and about things that interest them. So I could even argue that Habbox could be losing potential forum members because the number of 'interesting' (this isn't the word I'm looking for but I can't be bothered to think of a better one) threads is dwindling due to people posting in the Post Your.. threads.

Also, even if you still argue that Habbox isn't losing anything, what are we gaining? A more 'impressive'-looking overall post count at the bottom of the forum? What else? Please enlighten me.

"If you don't like people getting their post count up that way, why can't you just make more interesting threads yourself?"
I know people are saying this argument isn't about who has a high post count and things, but I assume post count must matter (even if it's just a little bit) to some people who have been on this forum for years. They've worked hard and contributed to hundreds if not thousands of threads but then some spammer comes along and gets a few thousand posts in a year? Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think everyone would be thrilled about that. Still, that seems to only be a tiny part of it but other people have already made those other points.

Oh yeah, and "make more interesting threads yourself"? Why should we spend a lot of time writing long, insightful posts when other people can breeze 300 tokens a day by telling us each time they listen to a different song? And even when we do post them, those threads sometimes get drowned out because the What are you listening to? thread keeps getting pushed back up to the top spot.

"Who even cares anyway"
This argument just makes me sad. For one, it can be used to argue both for and against moving the Post Your.. threads so seems pretty invalid to me anyway. And also, this is Habbox Feedback. A place to discuss things you do care about. If we've reached page 9 or 10 of this thread plus the three or four other threads about the same issue, it's clear that people do care.

I had other points but 1) I've forgotten them and 2) I've just noticed the time and I was supposed to start an essay nearly an hour and a half ago :(

I'll reply when I get home from work but you really can't say habboxforum is losing out on VIP sales. You're also naive if you think getting rid of these threads will not result in anything other than an increase in generic answers being posted. I also think you're clutching at straws when you say people posting what they're listening to will some stop new members from joining (lol what?) if anything will do that it will be preventing people from posting short comments because you deem them unworthy.

[Phil]

Okay, I've read the whole thread and from what I can see, last last pages or so were like the same thing.

Personally I was never a fan of these threads (even though yeah I have a couple of posts in them). When this last came up I was SMOD and when I asked what we could do about them I was told they're not to be touched and whne I asked why I was told "You know the story on those threads". Only story I know is that they're crap :rolleyes:

I would agree that people are using this thread for post count. A while ago there was a "Posy any image" thread in Graphics which was constantly spammed by Skandair posted in and Martin moved that to Forum Games and the thread died instantly. I think the same thing would happen here.

I'd really like to hear from Kyle and Nick and a few other big posters in those threads to see how they actually feel about them because at the moment, most of you want them removed but if we moved them, while it would please you, it would also annoy others.

[Yawn]

but don generic responses in those threads are better than them spamming those select few threads just for post count

at least they engage in the community with those posts (which they dont at all right now) and obv u cant pointless post in the threads because u would be warned (and mods would be more on their case as they have a bad reputation for spamming)

this is all assuming that they'd start posting elsewhere which i imagine they would. there are always lighter threads, no1 is expecting shockerz to be engaging in debates....maybe something more along the lines of wat he has in his subway

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p.s. u are gna be annoying shockerz and x!x!dude!x!x watever he is called i cant see who else would be annoyed
they know they are spamming they admit to it openly and they only do it cos they can get away with it

[Phil]

Even if they are moved, I would rather those threads were closed and let fade away in the many pages of Discuss Anything and post news ones in Forum Games. I don't think it would be fair to take the post count away from everyone.

[Yawn]

ok just remove it from shockerz and other person

[The Don]

I don't think closing a thread with 30k replies would be sensible


Even if they are moved, I would rather those threads were closed and let fade away in the many pages of Discuss Anything and post news ones in Forum Games. I don't think it would be fair to take the post count away from everyone.

[Kyle]

imo the damage is done. it's gotten to a point where if the thread is closed the people that are posting there have become so dependant on it that they won't post at all. make a rule saying that for every 1 post in each of those threads users must make 1 post outside of them.

[Phil]

I don't think closing a thread with 30k replies would be sensible

Exactly, it's just not a reasonable thing to do but I would do that before I would move them all to Forum Games. I think the only option is to put a rule in place and put them in the first post of all these threads ad just make sure it's moderated consistently.

[Yawn]

i want shockerz to pay for his actions though :censored:

close the thread and recreate it in spam

[scottish]

Close it, unsticky it let it die down and create a new one in forum games.

[Kyle]

this forum is like jeremy kyle

[Chippiewill]

FYI it would probably be trivial to write a plugin that disables post count per thread.

[Kyle]

this forum is like jeremy kyle!

What about if we consider allowing users to disable postcount in their postbit and then removing postcount restrictions from spam forum games etc

[Yawn]

this forum is like jeremy kyle!

[scottish]

i'm game for post count enabled everywhere except staff forums

[GoldenMerc]

Yeh don't encourage me or anyone to post, just boring

[Yawn]

i cant believe shockerz opened the thread and didnt even post he is so lazy he making me more and more angry -.-

[Kardan]

I don't think closing a thread with 30k replies would be sensible

The big music threads have been closed in the past and new ones have been created, it's never been an issue before. Not sure how big the old ones were though.

[Kyle]

how about we archive the spam forum and relax posting rules in all other forums

[Kardan]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=23506&highlight=what+are+you+listening

Phil; The Don;

The original music thread had 68,318 replies and the forum didn't break down when the old one got closed and the new one got posted.

[dbgtz]

I've never really understood the point in some of these like the music ones or film/tv ones, why not just start or reply to an existing specific thread on it? That way there's a chance of some actual discussion and they still get their post...

[FlyingJesus]

Lol, you're still yet to give a reason as to how someone getting additional tokens from posting in a thread which you're quite perfectly capable of posting in yourself somehow is a problem.

Because they are by definition of the FAQ pointless posts. People are being rewarded for making pointless posts. You not understanding this does not equate to me not giving reasons


Removing the threads won't spark an increase in the quality of posts, all it will do is deter those users who could potentially become stronger contributors in the future from posting.

[citation needed]


I don't think closing a thread with 30k replies would be sensible

Popular things are always good hmmm. Also it's been closed in the past hence #2, and it was an issue for like 3 posts

[Phil]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=23506&highlight=what+are+you+listening

Phil; The Don;

The original music thread had 68,318 replies and the forum didn't break down when the old one got closed and the new one got posted.

That's interesting. That thread was closed in 2009 but the current music thread was made in 2005 :S

[Kardan]

That's interesting. That thread was closed in 2009 but the current music thread was made in 2005 :S

I think someone stole the original post from the first thread, and took it over to the new thread. Not sure why.

Hence why the original post just posts a song, whereas you'd expect them to explain the thread.

[FlyingJesus]

The original post was moved to the new one because the one and only issue that arose from closing the original was that people thought it was sad that Vampire didn't have the first post

[Phil]

I think someone stole the original post from the first thread, and took it over to the new thread. Not sure why.

Hence why the original post just posts a song, whereas you'd expect them to explain the thread.

That's.....stupid :P

Anyway, I think they best thing to do for these threads is to create some sort of rule specific to these threads that can be displayed in the first post

[The Don]

That's.....stupid :P

Anyway, I think they best thing to do for these threads is to create some sort of rule specific to these threads that can be displayed in the first post

Definitely agree, don't think they should be closed or moved, just made harder for them to abuse, maybe a limit per day or something.

[FlyingJesus]

You may make 5 rule-breaking posts per day, enjoy!

[Yawn]

wats the issue with closing and reopening new 1s without postcount

the threads are trash and thats nearly a unanimous decision. who would even care if they were closed and never to be seen again

[Kyle]

remove all threads start forum from scratch

[FlyingJesus]

Kyle you have 4 rule-breaking posts remaining

[scottish]

Because everyone reads the first post when you're 900 pages in to it.

Close the thread, even if you have to leave it in place so people keep their PC (just unsticky it) then open new one in forum games so it doesn't continue to be abused until the next FM comes along.

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remove all threads start forum from scratch

good idea purge the forum

[Kyle]

just realised im on 2 infractions for avoiding filter, better not risk it

possible bad effects - shockwave doesnt post
possible (questionably) good effects - shockwave becomes more active

where is the downside to removing these threads
I read them for stalking purposes but don't post in them

[Chippiewill]

Move KKK into discuss anything. Problem solved.

[The Don]

Lol oh Tom you're so witty! The posts aren't pointless and aren't breaking the rules.


You may make 5 rule-breaking posts per day, enjoy!

[Yawn]

this forums stupid u warn us all the time for making pointless posts yet u entertain the actual spammers and let them get away with it and now ur too scared to upset them so they can continue

[Kyle]

Lol oh Tom you're so witty! The posts aren't pointless and aren't breaking the rules.
explain

[FlyingJesus]

Lol oh Tom you're so witty! The posts aren't pointless and aren't breaking the rules.

How are they not pointless? And there is a rule against posting short answers without extrapolation so yes they are.

PS: my thread earlier got moved to spam because it's apparently pointless despite being open to a lot of discussion, which these threads clearly are not. I know that e5; is severely autistic at best but surely it's quite plain to see that if one such thread is "pointless", they all are

[e5]

How are they not pointless? And there is a rule against posting short answers without extrapolation so yes they are.

PS: my thread earlier got moved to spam because it's apparently pointless despite being open to a lot of discussion, which these threads clearly are not. I know that e5; is severely autistic at best but surely it's quite plain to see that if one such thread is "pointless", they all are

As explained, you made the post to prove a point and it was moved because you were trolling.

[lemons]

well to be honest i LOVE hearing that shockwave is watching corrie

[Kardan]

As explained, you made the post to prove a point and it was moved because you were trolling.

Is that against the rules now :o

[e5]

Is that against the rules now :o


As explained, you made the post to prove a point and it was moved because you were trolling.


Lets not be picky ;)

[FlyingJesus]

No it isn't, when I asked him to tell me which rule I broke he quoted the part which says that he gets to decide what's pointless and what's not; apparently a thread that allows for (and asks for) discussion is pointless as opposed to one with 30,000 pointless replies

And no, I was not trolling. I told you this already

[David]

Is that against the rules now :o

everything is according to e5

[Kyle]

Lets not be picky ;)
but you're defining it as trolling BECAUSE it's posted to prove a point? :S
don't think threads that promote legitimate discussion should be removed for the sake of allowing moderators to prove their own point

[e5]

but you're defining it as trolling BECAUSE it's posted to prove a point? :S
don't think threads that promote legitimate discussion should be removed for the sake of allowing moderators to prove their own point

I have no point to prove, I've not been involved in this discussion. I deal with threads as I see fit and with a number of reports of that thread, I wasn't alone in my thinking.

Ultimately, it's up to Phil to decide whether to move those threads with such high post counts into spam. The short answer would be no, though. If a decent "what are you" thread or whatever was posted which clearly isn't to troll the forums and actually be serious, that wouldn't be moved.

[FlyingJesus]

So you think that "what are you listening to" is more discussive (despite not allowing discussion in it) than a thread about craft and sewing? And AGAIN, it was not trolling. I'm a fashion designer, thread is extremely important to me

And why is the short answer no?

[Phil]

This looks like a fun place to discuss a pointless posting PM that isn't the business of most of you!! :O

Anyway, I'm not sure what I'm going to do in terms of this yet but it'll either be:

1. Close the threads and open new ones in Forum Games
2. Put some sort of rule in place to stop them getting abused for post count.

Maybe a poll ;)

[FlyingJesus]

Wasn't a PM it was VM, and why do new versions need to be made? Just moving them makes the most sense

[Martin]

This looks like a fun place to discuss a pointless posting PM that isn't the business of most of you!! :O

Anyway, I'm not sure what I'm going to do in terms of this yet but it'll either be:

1. Close the threads and open new ones in Forum Games
2. Put some sort of rule in place to stop them getting abused for post count.

Maybe a poll ;)


Like this poll? I swear this has been done so many times before omg, although I think this poll was more related to quick one word reply threads, but its a simlar thing really.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=778331


LOL

[Phil]

Look, no matter what I do, 100% of the people are not going to be happy. I'm not just going to move them because post count would drop (dramatically for some) for some users

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Like this poll? I swear this has been done so many times before omg, although I think this poll was more related to quick one word reply threads, but its a simlar thing really.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=778331


LOL

Habbox loves polls :l

[FlyingJesus]

So what is the limit on pointless posting because I only had 1 post in my thread earlier that was called pointless and got moved

[scottish]

Close it, reopen another

[Martin]

Look, no matter what I do, 100% of the people are not going to be happy. I'm not just going to move them because post count would drop (dramatically for some) for some users

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Habbox loves polls :l


Yeah whatever you do, I think the most sensible option is to close the current threads, unstick them if they are stuck and let them gradually die out down the forum list, then create new ones in a non post count forum i.e forum games or spam.

although im sure this has been done in the past

[Yawn]

wat skandair, shockerz and dude. the ppl who shouldnt be spamming in the first place and caused this issue :S

if they didnt abuse these threads then this discussion wouldnt have happened

[The Don]

You may make 5 rule-breaking posts per day, enjoy!


This looks like a fun place to discuss a pointless posting PM that isn't the business of most of you!! :O

Anyway, I'm not sure what I'm going to do in terms of this yet but it'll either be:

1. Close the threads and open new ones in Forum Games
2. Put some sort of rule in place to stop them getting abused for post count.

Maybe a poll ;)

Been there done that with the poll, I don't think getting rid of threads which are clearly popular due to a vocal minority is sensible. *waits for Tom to equate this to slavery or something completely irrelevant* but the fact of the matter is those threads have been a non issue for years. Kardan and co just love to moan and I definitely think you should make your decision based on the facts rather than a poll. I definitely think there should be a rule put in place to prevent people abusing those threads to get token to convert to credits, I don't however think they should be burried in spam when they have been consistently popular.

[FlyingJesus]

although im sure this has been done in the past

It has yes with forum games (which used to have a post count enabled), and it successfully stemmed the flow of multitudes of pointless posts making the forum look far more engaging

[The Don]

Terrible idea, Let's discourage posting wooooo


Yeah whatever you do, I think the most sensible option is to close the current threads, unstick them if they are stuck and let them gradually die out down the forum list, then create new ones in a non post count forum i.e forum games or spam.

although im sure this has been done in the past

[Martin]

It has yes with forum games (which used to have a post count enabled), and it successfully stemmed the flow of multitudes of pointless posts making the forum look far more engaging


I was convinced the "What are you eating/drinking/listening to/watching" threads had been moved/closed and reopened in the past too, but maybe im just imagining things LOL.

[Phil]

Guys I was joking about the poll. The Don; I see where you're coming from, really, I do. But do you think people enjoy those threads or just use them for post count. Like with other threads in Discuss Anything I like to read through them, see what other people have experience, what they've been up to. How many people do you think go into those threads being like "ooh I wonder if Kyle has watched the news lately"?

[FlyingJesus]

I don't think getting rid of threads which are clearly popular due to a vocal minority is sensible.

There is still no call to get rid of them, not sure where you're getting this from. As for minority, previously there were 122 votes for some sort of change as opposed to 41 who wanted them left


the fact of the matter is those threads have been a non issue for years

Your definition of fact is somewhat off; these threads have been a constant issue for many years


I definitely think you should make your decision based on the facts rather than a poll.

This I do agree with; and the fact is that they are pointless threads that not only do not promote but actively stifle discussion

[Chippiewill]

If we're going to have a poll I propose an STV system to make it fair.

[The Don]

Terrible idea, Let's discourage posting wooooo


Yeah whatever you do, I think the most sensible option is to close the current threads, unstick them if they are stuck and let them gradually die out down the forum list, then create new ones in a non post count forum i.e forum games or spam.

although im sure this has been done in the past

[Chippiewill]

Terrible idea, Let's discourage posting wooooo

pointless posting

[Kardan]

Like this poll? I swear this has been done so many times before omg, although I think this poll was more related to quick one word reply threads, but its a simlar thing really.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=778331


LOL

That poll *really* shouldn't have had multiple choice involved.

Phil; - if you do a poll, no multiple choice.

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Been there done that with the poll, I don't think getting rid of threads which are clearly popular due to a vocal minority is sensible. *waits for Tom to equate this to slavery or something completely irrelevant* but the fact of the matter is those threads have been a non issue for years. Kardan and co just love to moan and I definitely think you should make your decision based on the facts rather than a poll. I definitely think there should be a rule put in place to prevent people abusing those threads to get token to convert to credits, I don't however think they should be burried in spam when they have been consistently popular.

If we are a vocal minority, then a thread open to all users where they can give their feedback anonymously should be fair.

[FlyingJesus]

I think it needed multiple choice because of how badly it was set out - otherwise looking only at percentages the "don't change it/I'm terrible at reasoning" camp would have come out ahead because of a 4-way split in everything else

[Yawn]

it says it all rly that the ppl who post in these threads havent actually said a word yet :rolleyes:

[The Don]

How do they stifle discussion? The only threads which they are relative to are the ones they are in. It's not as if it flows over to other threads and posts. You're acting like they are holding the forum back from deep discussion when they simply aren't. You can quite easily ignore the threads if they are that much of a bother to you.


There is still no call to get rid of them, not sure where you're getting this from. As for minority, previously there were 122 votes for some sort of change as opposed to 41 who wanted them left



Your definition of fact is somewhat off; these threads have been a constant issue for many years



This I do agree with; and the fact is that they are pointless threads that not only do not promote but actively stifle discussion

[Phil]

I don't think I'll do a poll. I'd rather try to come up with some sort of solution (ok yh I'll probably make one) but at the moment I really don't know what I'm going to do about them but a decision probably won't be made today :P

[Kardan]

I think it needed multiple choice because of how badly it was set out - otherwise looking only at percentages the "don't change it/I'm terrible at reasoning" camp would have come out ahead because of a 4-way split in everything else

I think the fairest way that poll should have gone was a one-way vote between all the options. See if any options got 50%, if not, discard the lowest and re-open voting again.

Basically the AV system. I remember looking through who voted what for that thread, and there were some dodgy combinations :P

[The Don]

To be quite honest I doubt majority of people care about the logical reasoning and consistency of the rules on a habbo forum. As if said previously you can quite easily ignore the threads if you only want deep and philosophical discussions.


That poll *really* shouldn't have had multiple choice involved.

Phil; - if you do a poll, no multiple choice.

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If we are a vocal minority, then a thread open to all users where they can give their feedback anonymously should be fair.

[Kardan]

Phil; At least the choice is quite simple.

1) Leave them enabling post count/token but introduce harsher rules which require moderation.
2) Close them and re-open them in forum games

(Also, not sure why people are saying 'Let the thread die and then re-open', why not simply close and open?)

With option 1, it will work as long as the rules are good enough and the mods are good at enforcing.
With option 2, it will work but the issue is certain people no longer wanting to post in those threads (I wonder why :P)

Either is good.

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To be quite honest I doubt majority of people care about the logical reasoning and consistency of the rules on a habbo forum. As if said previously you can quite easily ignore the threads if you only want deep and philosophical discussions.

Either you're going crazy or you quoted me instead of FJ :P

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it says it all rly that the ppl who post in these threads havent actually said a word yet :rolleyes:

And it's not as if they've been offline, they've been online posting in their favourite threads :P
Shockwave.2CC; - Please tell us your views.

[FlyingJesus]

How do they stifle discussion? The only threads which they are relative to are the ones they are in. It's not as if it flows over to other threads and posts. You're acting like they are holding the forum back from deep discussion when they simply aren't. You can quite easily ignore the threads if they are that much of a bother to you.

They stifle discussion within themselves, as has actually been explained previously. They (totally illogically) do not allow for discussion to take place, as the only thing that's allowed to be posted in them is a short, pointless answer - something that quite rightly is rejected elsewhere. I could quite easily ignore porn and snuff videos but that's not a good argument for having them on the forum

[Phil]

Phil; At least the choice is quite simple.

1) Leave them enabling post count/token but introduce harsher rules which require moderation.
2) Close them and re-open them in forum games

(Also, not sure why people are saying 'Let the thread die and then re-open', why not simply close and open?)


Yeah these are the two options. When people are saying let it die and then re-open I think they mean let the current ones die in Discuss Anything WHILE the new ones are posted in Forum Games

[FlyingJesus]

Obvs don't care at all about logic and consistency in the rules, that's why every single point has been about those things duhhhhh

[Yawn]

i dont like option 1 cos ppl can still pointless post and get post count they just cant do it as much -.-

[Mr-Trainor]

When people have their posts edited due to pointless posting, the post remains in the same place and the user still keeps the post count they gained. This shouldn't be any different imo and regardless of whether they stay open or not, the threads should remain in a postcount enabled forum.

[Kardan]

I think it all depends on the moderation department - if they're willing to read through tens of these pages when they log in and check the rules are followed (I imagine X per day, No posting within X minutes, No repeating the same info), then go for it. You can always move them to forum games if that doesn't work out.

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah option 1 is essentially

You may make 5 rule-breaking posts per day, enjoy!

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When people have their posts edited due to pointless posting, the post remains in the same place and the user still keeps the post count they gained. This shouldn't be any different imo and regardless of whether they stay open or not, the threads should remain in a postcount enabled forum.

So you agree that the posts are pointless :P in which case following the rest of your post the people who are multiple offenders ought to be banned as someone who spams up the rest of the forum would be, which seems rather more extreme

[Kardan]

When people have their posts edited due to pointless posting, the post remains in the same place and the user still keeps the post count they gained. This shouldn't be any different imo and regardless of whether they stay open or not, the threads should remain in a postcount enabled forum.

That only happens if it's an odd post or two, if it happens consistently (Like it is with these threads) the whole thread gets moved to spam.

(See Dragga's thread on Crimea for an example of a whole thread being moved to spam because of pointless posting).

[The Don]

I'm on my phone at work so I'm probably missing a fair few posts. I'm sure you can elaborate and discuss things within those threads but people are choosing not to.


They stifle discussion within themselves, as has actually been explained previously. They (totally illogically) do not allow for discussion to take place, as the only thing that's allowed to be posted in them is a short, pointless answer - something that quite rightly is rejected elsewhere. I could quite easily ignore porn and snuff videos but that's not a good argument for having them on the forum

[Mr-Trainor]

I've never really understood the point in some of these like the music ones or film/tv ones, why not just start or reply to an existing specific thread on it? That way there's a chance of some actual discussion and they still get their post...
Hmm this makes a good point actually; if people really do care so much about the TV show they're watching and they want to share it, they could start a thread and generate some discussion.

[FlyingJesus]

No I have genuinely been reprimanded by moderation for attempting to post a discussion rather than just a plain answer. This may come as a shock to you Akeam but some people have actual reasons for saying the things they say rather than just coming up with theories based on nothing

[Mr-Trainor]

So you agree that the posts are pointless :P in which case following the rest of your post the people who are multiple offenders ought to be banned as someone who spams up the rest of the forum would be, which seems rather more extreme
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing :P. I was just responding to a point that said they're pointless and should have the whole thread moved to spam. But also, mods wouldn't usually deal with pointless posts from a few years back, i.e. the posts at the beginning of these threads.

But yeah, I don't have a strong opinion on whether these threads should go or not tbh.


That only happens if it's an odd post or two, if it happens consistently (Like it is with these threads) the whole thread gets moved to spam.

(See Dragga's thread on Crimea for an example of a whole thread being moved to spam because of pointless posting).
Oh yeah that's true, I forgot about threads which are entirely pointless :P - but see my point above in this post about how they go years back so it'd be a bit unfair removing someones postcount from posts so long ago.

[Kardan]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing :P. I was just responding to a point that said they're pointless and should have the whole thread moved to spam. But also, mods wouldn't usually deal with pointless posts from a few years back, i.e. the posts at the beginning of these threads.

But yeah, I don't have a strong opinion on whether these threads should go or not tbh.


Oh yeah that's true, I forgot about threads which are entirely pointless :P - but see my point above in this post about how they go years back so it'd be a bit unfair removing someones postcount from posts so long ago.

I agree that moving 24,000 posts just because a few people have spammed about 1,000 would be unfair - so just close that thread and re-open in forum games :)

[Yawn]

i think it would be fun to remove every1s postcount, even from years ago :Naughty:

especially shockerz going from 5k to 200 :Naughty:

[FlyingJesus]

I doubt RedStratocas will come back and be angry at losing 43 posts but if the compromise is that the original (or original double anyway) stays where it is then whatev, as long as it's not allowed to continue as a haven for inactivity and effortless reward

[The Don]

So what did you post in there then for that to happen? I forgot that you can't possibly comment on something based on thought and your own opinions...


No I have genuinely been reprimanded by moderation for attempting to post a discussion rather than just a plain answer. This may come as a shock to you Akeam but some people have actual reasons for saying the things they say rather than just coming up with theories based on nothing

[FlyingJesus]

Of course you can have opinions, but stating them as fact when there are genuine facts against it is ludicrous. As for what I posted, you'll have to forgive me for not remembering the entire wording after all this time but I believe I had the audacity to ask someone what it was that they liked about the content of their post. You know, attempting to start a discussion

[The Don]

Well that shouldn't have happened. I don't think the threads are perfect and some things need to be changes but I don't think they should be placed elsewhere.


Of course you can have opinions, but stating them as fact when there are genuine facts against it is ludicrous. As for what I posted, you'll have to forgive me for not remembering the entire wording after all this time but I believe I had the audacity to ask someone what it was that they liked about the content of their post. You know, attempting to start a discussion

[Kyle]

archive threads, so their post count stays :S

[Kardan]

Then report it for double posting?

The Don; - I reported the double post, but e5; says you can double post in these threads if you're adding new 'information'. So there is definitely not a rule like 'You must wait before X people have posted before you can post again'.

[FlyingJesus]

I think relying on e5 for information that makes sense is like relying on Melissa McCarthy for fashion tips

[The Don]

So i've asked around and found out that you get 5 tokens for a standard post. To reclaim the smallest amount of credits from the token shop, you need 1000 tokens which amounts to 200 posts. If the rules were tightened so that you could only post in those particular threads a maximum of 3 times per day it would take 66 and a half days to earn a measly 5 credits. If we also introduced rules to prevent double posting (which I thought had already happened but apparently not Kardan this will essentially prevent people from abusing these threads, they also get to remain in the correct sub forums (post what you're listening to can stay in music etc) and it stops the need to add any extra unnecessary subforums for them.

[Kardan]

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[Chippiewill]

they also get to remain in the correct sub forums (post what you're listening to can stay in music etc) and it stops the need to add any extra unnecessary subforums for them.
As I said before, it is possible to write a plugin which disables post count on a per thread basis.

[James]

why is post count so important lol

[Yawn]

none of the spammers were posting any more than 3 times a day anyway

well i guess shockerz was in the wat are u watching thread....but 3 times a day in multiple threads each day isnt rly solving the problem is it and the posts are still pointless and for the purpose of boosting post count

[Phil]

As I said before, it is possible to write a plugin which disables post count on a per thread basis.

Either way to current ones would need closing and re-opening in Forum Games or in Discuss Anything (if that were to be scripted).

And no this doesn't mean I've come to a decision :P

[FlyingJesus]

So i've asked around and found out that you get 5 tokens for a standard post. To reclaim the smallest amount of credits from the token shop, you need 1000 tokens which amounts to 200 posts. If the rules were tightened so that you could only post in those particular threads a maximum of 3 times per day it would take 66 and a half days to earn a measly 5 credits. If we also introduced rules to prevent double posting (which I thought had already happened but apparently not Kardan this will essentially prevent people from abusing these threads, they also get to remain in the correct sub forums (post what you're listening to can stay in music etc) and it stops the need to add any extra unnecessary subforums for them.

I thought you were against lowering activity? Every other option allows for these threads to continue being active (if people actually do care about the content) and yet your suggestion expressedly limits the activity you previously claimed was so important

[The Don]

I thought you were against lowering activity? Every other option allows for these threads to continue being active (if people actually do care about the content) and yet your suggestion expressedly limits the activity you previously claimed was so important

Putting a music thread in forum games is ridiculous. Not sure why you're so adamant to have the threads moved to unsuitable sub forums. As I've show the time it takes to earn credits from these threads is neglible.

[FlyingJesus]

I didn't say forum games, and the main point (how on earth do you keep missing it?) is that these threads/posts are pointless. Both by basic logic and by the forum rules

Also feel free to actually respond to what my post said

[The Don]

I didn't say forum games, and the main point (how on earth do you keep missing it?) is that these threads/posts are pointless. Both by basic logic and by the forum rules

Also feel free to actually respond to what my post said

The posts aren't pointless because they respond to the original post.

[FlyingJesus]

The original post (and therefore whole thread) is pointless since it only allows for short answers. I don't know why you're trying to argue about the rules when you clearly don't even know them

[The Don]

Here are the rules

A7. Do not post pointlessly ~ ~ Do not post off-topic ~ An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic or any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.
~ Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are (ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!); (BYRDSB +HKK; ) (I am a plane)
~ Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion. Repeatably posting short replies such as "Yes" or "Nope" is also forbidden. What is classed as pointless or abuse is entirely down to the discretion of the Forum Department.
~ You may not make posts that contain plain images only. Images that includes text are allowed so long as they are relevant to the threads discussion. This rule does not apply to the forum games or spam forums.

Considering some of those threads have been around for years it would be reasonable to assume that the forum department do not classify those threads as pointless.

[Yawn]

Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion. Repeatably posting short replies such as "Yes" or "Nope" is also forbidden.

this bit

and there are problems with both of those points in this thread

[The Don]

this bit

Which is then contradicted by the part I posted.......

[Kyle]

Here are the rules

A7. Do not post pointlessly ~ ~ Do not post off-topic ~ An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic or any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.
~ Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are (ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!); (BYRDSB +HKK; ) (I am a plane)
~ Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion. Repeatably posting short replies such as "Yes" or "Nope" is also forbidden. What is classed as pointless or abuse is entirely down to the discretion of the Forum Department.
~ You may not make posts that contain plain images only. Images that includes text are allowed so long as they are relevant to the threads discussion. This rule does not apply to the forum games or spam forums.

Considering some of those threads have been around for years it would be reasonable to assume that the forum department do not classify those threads as pointless.
wasnt that part of the rule added after the last debacle concerning these sorts of threads as a way for chris to deal with each thread at his own discretion and avoid conflict

[FlyingJesus]

That boldened part ought to be in the line above since that's the one about pointless posts. Saying "mods can decide if something is pointless" has no bearing on a totally separate rule about threads that only allow for short answers
ie

~ Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are (ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!); (BYRDSB +HKK; ) (I am a plane). What is classed as pointless or abuse is entirely down to the discretion of the Forum Department.
~ Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion. Repeatably posting short replies such as "Yes" or "Nope" is also forbidden.

[Yawn]

Which is then contradicted by the part I posted.......

wut

but phil thinks its spam, every1 in the thread apart from u thinks its spam, the ppl that spam know its spam and admit they only do it for post count

anyway gtg bye peeps

[The Don]

That boldened part ought to be in the line above since that's the one about pointless posts. Saying "mods can decide if something is pointless" has no bearing on a totally separate rule about threads that only allow for short answers
ie

~ Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are (ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!); (BYRDSB +HKK; ) (I am a plane). What is classed as pointless or abuse is entirely down to the discretion of the Forum Department.
~ Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion. Repeatably posting short replies such as "Yes" or "Nope" is also forbidden.

It was added, as Kyle mentioned, as a loophole to allow some of these threads to remain. Love how you say the rules are wrong when it was added specifically to allow exceptions to the short replies part which means it's in the correct place. But you clearly know better than the rules so whatever.

[Kyle]

Think a better idea that adding a loophole would have been to actually deal with the situation tho.

[The Don]

wut

but phil thinks its spam, every1 in the thread apart from u thinks its spam, the ppl that spam know its spam and admit they only do it for post count

anyway gtg bye peeps

Various people have posted in this thread on both sides, just because the people complaining are more vocal doesn't mean you're the majority.

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Think a better idea that adding a loophole would have been to actually deal with the situation tho.

It's not a problem tho

[Kyle]

Various people have posted in this thread on both sides, just because the people complaining are more vocal doesn't mean you're the majority.

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It's not a problem tho
It is cos people are getting tokens post count for not actually contributing to the forum. the extent of the problem is outlined in these 20 pages.

[The Don]

It is cos people are getting tokens post count for not actually contributing to the forum. the extent of the problem is outlined in these 20 pages.

Shockwave has just over 200 posts in the post what you're listening to thread, that equates to 5 credits. Don't exaggerate the situation.

[Kyle]

Shockwave has just over 200 posts in the post what you're listening to thread, that equates to 5 credits. Don't exaggerate the situation.
It's 5 credits more than people who have't spammed these threads for months. Not exaggerating at all, unfairness is unfairness.

[The Don]

It's 5 credits more than people who have't spammed these threads for months. Not exaggerating at all, unfairness is unfairness.

Nothing is stopping you from posting in that thread. Unfair implies you're somehow disadvantaged which is not the case.

[Kyle]

Nothing is stopping you from posting in that thread. Unfair implies you're somehow disadvantaged which is not the case.
apart from my desire to be actually involved in the community and not try to put myself ahead by posting meaningless drivel (most of the time)

[The Don]

apart from my desire to be actually involved in the community and not try to put myself ahead by posting meaningless drivel (most of the time)

And again, how is that relevant to what others choose to do? If people don't want to get involved in the community and prefer sticking to those threads, removing them isn't going to change that. If people are coming here solely for those threads then removing them will deter those people, who could eventually start getting involved in the community, from coming on.

[karter]

i believe it was some mod who said a post is pointless if it cannot initiate a discussion??

so obviously if someone posts 'chips' in what are you eating thread no one is going to quote and reply with the response "zomg love chips" so uh...........?

[Kyle]

And again, how is that relevant to what others choose to do? If people don't want to get involved in the community and prefer sticking to those threads, removing them isn't going to change that. If people are coming here solely for those threads then removing them will deter those people, who could eventually start getting involved in the community, from coming on.
You asked me what is stopping me from posting so I answered. It might not be relevant to the choices of others but it's still relevant to the discussion as it's an ethos I feel that more should have.

Threads are promoting and rewarding inactivity through reliance on gaining postcount by repeated posting of items of clothing or types of food. Rules of the forum and these particular threads means that no discussion is to be had and it's all just spam. Removing the threads doesn't necessarily mean deterring users at all, if they are active members of habbox they will find somewhere else to post. If they've been on the forum for this many years and only post in these threads then it's easy enough to see a trend and assume that they won't "eventually start getting involved".

[The Don]

You asked me what is stopping me from posting so I answered. It might not be relevant to the choices of others but it's still relevant to the discussion as it's an ethos I feel that more should have.

Well nothing is actually stopping you from posting in there besides your own desire not to so it isn't unfair.


Threads are promoting and rewarding inactivity through reliance on gaining postcount by repeated posting of items of clothing or types of food. Rules of the forum and these particular threads means that no discussion is to be had and it's all just spam. Removing the threads doesn't necessarily mean deterring users at all, if they are active members of habbox they will find somewhere else to post.

They aren't promoting inactivity in the slightest. If you think 5 credits every 2 months or so is going to have a serious impact on people posting in other threads and is preventing serious discussion then I haven't really got much more to say. Not everybody is looking for drawn out discussions and if people want to participate in the lighter threads by posting what they're listening to or what they're watching then why shouldn't they? Just because you aren't interested in those threads doesn't mean others aren't.


If they've been on the forum for this many years and only post in these threads then it's easy enough to see a trend and assume that they won't "eventually start getting involved".

Ah, so just discourage them from coming on completely and any future chance of them getting further involved with the community.

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subo; I'd also like to point out that you've made twice as many posts as shockwave made over the past week in just this one thread. 12 posts for last week, he's going to be working a while to get those 5 credits from the token shop.

[Kyle]

Well nothing is actually stopping you from posting in there besides your own desire not to so it isn't unfair.

It's unfair on users with smaller postcounts that are more active within the community that these particular users are being allowed to post this tripe and without actually involving themselves. The unfairness is not a question of who is allowed to post but of the manner in which we are rewarding posts.



They aren't promoting inactivity in the slightest. If you think 5 credits every 2 months or so is going to have a serious impact on people posting in other threads and is preventing serious discussion then I haven't really got much more to say. Not everybody is looking for drawn out discussions and if people want to participate in the lighter threads by posting what they're listening to or what they're watching then why shouldn't they? Just because you aren't interested in those threads doesn't mean others aren't.
By rewarding (no matter how small it is) users for spamming these threads and not encouraging them to post elsewhere it is promoting inactivity and sending a message to others that if you stick to the same few threads and don't even try to get involved with discussion (no, it doesn't have to be "drawn out" but the forum is for discussion) then that's perfectly fine. The current events team consists of 7 people and habbox is having a lot of difficulty recently attracting new users so we should be trying to draw discussions from the current userbase that clearly know how to use forum.



Ah, so just discourage them from coming on completely and any future chance of them getting further involved with the community.
That is my point. We want to encourage people to get involved, not discourage them, but doing nothing about the threads does neither. More incentives for making fruitful and discursive posts are needed.

[The Don]

It's unfair on users with smaller postcounts that are more active within the community that these particular users are being allowed to post this tripe and without actually involving themselves. The unfairness is not a question of who is allowed to post but of the manner in which we are rewarding posts.

No, it's not. As i've said previously there is literally nothing preventing others from posting in those threads apart from themselves. You also get rewarded for longer posts as they earn extra tokens so if anything people are rewarded for making longer posts and getting involved in the community rather than the opposite.

[Kyle]

yes but it's clearly not enough of a reward if people still stick to those threads

[The Don]

People continuously abuse the system and they get rewards from it!

The rewards they get are negligible compared to the amount of time and effort needed to reap them. 5 tokens are issued for every post. The smallest amount of credits that you can purchase with tokens is 5 credits for 1000 credits. That means it takes 200 posts to gain 5 credits, that’s equivalent to 50p. One of the users people have been using as an example is shockwave. Last week he made 12 posts, at that rate it’s going to be a fair few months before he earns that sweet 50p.

It promotes inactivity!

Hardly, people will post in whatever threads they want. People replying with short replies in certain threads isn’t going to lower the activity of the forum or reduce the quality of posts outside of those threads. It would actually be promoting inactivity to deter users from posting in those threads. Not everybody wants to take part in heavy discussion and we shouldn’t force people to either. If people are happy posting that they just listened to their favorite song, or what they watched on tv that day then why does it matter to you? Ignore the threads if they are that much of a hindrance to you.

It’s unfair on people for them to get easy post count!

Oh no! They’re getting imaginary points. There’s nothing preventing you from posting in those threads if you really care that much about post count. People are rewarded with more tokens for the bigger posts they make, so people are incentivised to make longer posts rather than the opposite.

[Kardan]

People continuously abuse the system and they get rewards from it!

The rewards they get are negligible compared to the amount of time and effort needed to reap them. 5 tokens are issued for every post. The smallest amount of credits that you can purchase with tokens is 5 credits for 1000 credits. That means it takes 200 posts to gain 5 credits, that’s equivalent to 50p. One of the users people have been using as an example is shockwave. Last week he made 12 posts, at that rate it’s going to be a fair few months before he earns that sweet 50p.

It promotes inactivity!

Hardly, people will post in whatever threads they want. People replying with short replies in certain threads isn’t going to lower the activity of the forum or reduce the quality of posts outside of those threads. It would actually be promoting inactivity to deter users from posting in those threads. Not everybody wants to take part in heavy discussion and we shouldn’t force people to either. If people are happy posting that they just listened to their favorite song, or what they watched on tv that day then why does it matter to you? Ignore the threads if they are that much of a hindrance to you.

It’s unfair on people for them to get easy post count!

Oh no! They’re getting imaginary points. There’s nothing preventing you from posting in those threads if you really care that much about post count. People are rewarded with more tokens for the bigger posts they make, so people are incentivised to make longer posts rather than the opposite.

Then let's activate post count for spam and forum games as well then - that will promote more activity surely.

[The Don]

Then let's activate post count for spam and forum games as well then - that will promote more activity surely.

To be honest I wouldn't care if it was made active for those sections. I doubt it will happen though.

[Yawn]

lets not act like shockerz has just 5c worth of pointless posts when he has over 1k posts in wat did u last watch alone

and its not rly the point that we can post there as well. its pointless posting and a massive spam thread, NO ONE should be posting in it and getting tokens/post count. its stupid to allow these ppl to literally boost their postcount with minimal effort (which also happens to be against the rules :O). they are too lazy to even post in this very thread which directly concerns them

there are plenty of threads for laidback and lighter posting which at the same time isnt pointless. the posts are spam and should be treated like it

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[Blinger]

Does shockwave post anywhere but the selfie thread and the whatchya watchin' one? I don't even know his name apart from them.

I say let them keep the posts, it's not really affecting anyone tbh.

[FlyingJesus]

It was added, as Kyle mentioned, as a loophole to allow some of these threads to remain. Love how you say the rules are wrong when it was added specifically to allow exceptions to the short replies part which means it's in the correct place. But you clearly know better than the rules so whatever.

I'm not saying the rule is wrong at all (yet again you need to read the words in my posts before replying to them) I'm saying that a note about pointless posting ought to be put in the same place as the pointless posting rule since it makes sense there and does not make sense in its current position. The wording is very specific in mentioning pointless posts and not crap threads. Try again


Not everybody is looking for drawn out discussions and if people want to participate in the lighter threads by posting what they're listening to or what they're watching then why shouldn't they?

Literally no-one is trying to stop people from making posts other than you with your ridiculous suggestion which you are still to defend rather than deflecting through bringing up points that aren't being put forward by anyone. You are genuinely the only person in this entire thread who has advocated for a plan that blocks people from posting

[The Don]

I'm not saying the rule is wrong at all (yet again you need to read the words in my posts before replying to them) I'm saying that a note about pointless posting ought to be put in the same place as the pointless posting rule since it makes sense there and does not make sense in its current position. The wording is very specific in mentioning pointless posts and not crap threads. Try again



Literally no-one is trying to stop people from making posts other than you with your ridiculous suggestion which you are still to defend rather than deflecting through bringing up points that aren't being put forward by anyone. You are genuinely the only person in this entire thread who has advocated for a plan that blocks people from posting

Yeh because deterring people from posting is so much better than limiting the amount of posts in a thread. And how on earth are you not insinuating the rules are wrong when you're saying things 'ought' to be in other places. It is amusing watching you recycle the 'but that's not what it saying' card.

[passion]

This is a community website. Like any others, people want to be included and or involved. One of the ways to do this is to establish yourself on said site. Now one of the ways to do this is by having a higher post count. Whether people want to accept it or not, someone with high post count (and the rep and tokens that come with this) are treated differently to a "newb". So, by allowing people a handful of threads where they can boost their post count could help activity in the long run. Habbox strikes the balance just right. I recently signed up to a new official fansite (HabHome) which is very active but they have things like posting competitions where people spam the entire forum for a prize. Habbox is nothing like this which is a positive thing. Removing post count from these threads would be a negative thing though for the reasons aforementioned.

[FlyingJesus]

Yeh because deterring people from posting is so much better than limiting the amount of posts in a thread.

If removing post count from pointless posts deters people then it's clear that they're only using it to abuse the system. If they genuinely like the threads then they'll continue using them anyway, in which case limiting how often they can use it is of no value to anyone


And how on earth are you not insinuating the rules are wrong when you're saying things 'ought' to be in other places. It is amusing watching you recycle the 'but that's not what it saying' card.

But it really isn't what I'm saying. The rule extremely clearly mentions two separate "offences" that aren't linked, so the part about moderator discretion is (as it states in its own wording) about pointless posts, not about non-discussive threads. I'm glad you're amused but maybe you should try being informed.

[Calum0812]

I don't like getting involved in Feedback threads because mods will always be moaned at for leaning to one side or the other but I've said for a while that it is so obvious that these threads are abused for post AND token count.
I don't care if someone has a high post count, but it does annoy me that they can claim rewards from the shop a lot more easily than other members who actually post quality threads and posts around the forum.


Anyway, I'm not sure what I'm going to do in terms of this yet but it'll either be:

1. Close the threads and open new ones in Forum Games
2. Put some sort of rule in place to stop them getting abused for post count.
This idea of having a rule like "you may only post once every 24 hours" would be practically impossible to moderate. Even if we do, what sanction can we give? I love the point made earlier in the thread regarding moderators editing posts for being pointless yet the user keeps that post in their post count and the tokens gained - not sure how we'd go about changing that though as I believe it'd be difficult without explicitly moving the post out of public view to a forum with no post count.


@The Don (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=9475); - I reported the double post, but @e5 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=30040); says you can double post in these threads if you're adding new 'information'. So there is definitely not a rule like 'You must wait before X people have posted before you can post again'.
As long as it is outside of the edit time for the original post (15 minutes) then that's correct. However. New information can be mis-interpreted and I do think some people abuse that bit of the rule.

[!x!dude!x!2]

Some examples: TheOneAndOnly; - 3,041 total posts.
543 posts in What are you listening to?
272 posts in What are you eating/drinking?
339 posts in What are you watching?
123 posts in What are you wearing?
Shockwave.2CC; - 4,735 posts
245 posts in What are you listening to?
121 posts in What are you eating/drinking?
1,024 posts in What are you watching?
48 posts in What are you wearing?

It gets worse if you want to include the 'congratulations' forum :P


y dont u lads give us ur opinion (this forum gives post count)
we would LOVE to hear ur thoughts TheOneAndOnly; and Shockwave.2CC;

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oh the links didnt work :(
i was posting all of those posts on shockerz page that e5 exposed from the congrats forum -.-


Oh hiya there o/ . never told me you tagged me in here . well i did the math and 1,764 oh my post weren't in those :P I still don't understand why you both are still on about this ???. It's not like you guys complaining about it all the time is going to make us stop? Like i'm not complaining or anything but I kinda don't care that you guys don't like me posting in there

[Cerys]

Don't usually post in feedback stuff but hi xo
I agree on making that rule where you can only post once in like, 24 hours. It'd make everyone happy as then Nick and Kyle can't spam it, but they can keep posting :p
Come on Phillip add this rule xo


Edittt; o just seen calums post - isn't there some sort of way that you can actually stop them posting for the time limit via the control panel stuff?
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[Calum0812]

Edittt; o just seen calums post - isn't there some sort of way that you can actually stop them posting for the time limit via the control panel stuff?
I'll have a little Google and see if there are any plugins or whether it'd have to be coded :)

[Cerys]

I'll have a little Google and see if there are any plugins or whether it'd have to be coded :)

Okiedokie have fun smelly xo
Hopefully something will come up so this discussion can finally be put to rest, though someone will probably still have a problem with it xD

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[Calum0812]

Okiedokie have fun smelly xo
Hopefully something will come up so this discussion can finally be put to rest, though someone will probably still have a problem with it xD

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Ignore this, it was for an older version of vB...

[Cerys]

Think I've found one but it'd require moving them all to a forum / subforum together where post count could still be enabled but people would only be able to post once every day

Do that then, everybody should be happy with that. If not then they're just causing problems for the sake of it so ignore them xD


Edit - o that sucks haha :(

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[Recursion]

Why are people so bothered about their post counts? The only problem I see here is that the quality of posts might suffer, which isn't even an issue since you can just choose to ignore those threads...

[GoldenMerc]

Can I just say every other forum (that isnt related to Habbo) actually doesn't give a crap about post count, Post counts in EVERY forum. Some people have upwards of 100k posts in 4-5 years. I mean if spam had post count active I think Jen or FJ would be top.

I'd like every forum to have post count enabled, I wish the post your stuff was put in a private forum it ruins the content

[lemons]

the most annoying thing about it is that it spams the activity stream -_-

[Cerys]

Why are people so bothered about their post counts? The only problem I see here is that the quality of posts might suffer, which isn't even an issue since you can just choose to ignore those threads...

Personally I think people are just annoyed with these people who boost the post count because they've got their post count high the proper way but the others are 'abusing the system' to get theirs high
If you see what I mean

It doesn't really bother me xD

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[Kardan]

Why are people so bothered about their post counts? The only problem I see here is that the quality of posts might suffer, which isn't even an issue since you can just choose to ignore those threads...

I'll state my reasons so you don't have to read through all the posts to find it :P

People are gaining post count for posting the same/similar words over and over again, but post count isn't enabled in places like spam where genuine discussion takes place. Likewise, moderators warn for 'pointless posting' across the forum (and in some cases move those threads to spam in order to cancel out any post count gained in those threads), but these big threads are still allowed (despite it also being explicitly stated in forum rules that repeated one word answers aren't allowed).

These threads basically go against the rules and common sense, but are still allowed :P

So a few of us would like to see it made consistent across the forum. Either post count doesn't matter, so it is enabled/disabled everywhere - or post count does matter, and these threads shouldn't count towards it.

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Can I just say every other forum (that isnt related to Habbo) actually doesn't give a crap about post count, Post counts in EVERY forum. Some people have upwards of 100k posts in 4-5 years. I mean if spam had post count active I think Jen or FJ would be top.

I'd like every forum to have post count enabled, I wish the post your stuff was put in a private forum it ruins the content

Last time I heard, Jen had 33,000 in spam alone :P

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Personally I think people are just annoyed with these people who boost the post count because they've got their post count high the proper way but the others are 'abusing the system' to get theirs high
If you see what I mean

It doesn't really bother me xD

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It's not really this - most people that abuse the system are relatively new members that have low post counts compared to the forum. Nobody has ever managed to get a ridiculously high post count only on those threads, so I doubt anyone would ever manage to get into the top 10 posters doing this.

[GommeInc]

Not this again...

1) Post count is worthless.
2) Blame members who religiously post threads in the Spam forum. Many of the threads in there should be in other forums.
3) Again - post counts are useless - maybe stop obsessing over something so trivial.
4) They're not "forum games". How absurd.
5) One would argue obsessing over post counts is a waste of life from both sides - they're not worth anything which is a dig at the pro and anti sides.
6) Spam isn't being used for its intended purpose (as usual) though forum games could have post count enabled - it is just post count after all.

It's irrational and deeply illogical to keep this discussion going as there are no solid arguments. The greatest is this illogical belief that post counts are actually worth anything. Secondly, you're removing an active area of the forum - removing them from view to a separate forum despite being on-topic in their respective forums seems to go beyond the basic rational thought. Thirdly, ask moderators to start removing threads from spam and putting them in their respective forums - there are loads based on celebrities, music, gigs etc.

Also, finally the biggest error in this anti logic - what's the illogical rationale behind there being a boost in "real" threads? Getting rid of a type of thread does not de facto mean an increase in other threads - if anything it will be the opposite, you're suggesting a new demographic of user will appear when this is not true. You'll just have emptier forums and threads that are on-topic being moved to a forum which may as well be a rubbish dump.

Furthermore, you're suggesting the forum become even more miserable and anti-social. These discussions naturally exist in any type of forum. You're suggesting Habbox turn the forum into some conglomerate/serious chat forum when no one cares about that and just want to have a good time, rather than have it ruined by people obsessing over trivialities.

Completely unnecessary.

[scottish]

If we can all agree that post count is worthless, let's get off the topic of 'get rid of your post... junk threads' and change it to enable post count in spam.

As we all agree, post count means jack, so let's globally enable post count (except for staff forums as they're hidden from the majority of users).

It's stupid to have a rule preventing people from freely speaking then they get warned for it, then having the likes of nick and kyle being useless as usual and posting "This Series - Ep 2" "This Series - Ep 3" or "News" etc.

Either let us all speak (get rid of pointless posting rule, make a new rule and only use it for posts such as "kofomeifweo") freely, or remove the threads that contradict your rules.

[Kardan]

Not this again...

1) Post count is worthless.
2) Blame members who religiously post threads in the Spam forum. Many of the threads in there should be in other forums.
3) Again - post counts are useless - maybe stop obsessing over something so trivial.
4) They're not "forum games". How absurd.
5) One would argue obsessing over post counts is a waste of life from both sides - they're not worth anything which is a dig at the pro and anti sides.
6) Spam isn't being used for its intended purpose (as usual) though forum games could have post count enabled - it is just post count after all.

It's irrational and deeply illogical to keep this discussion going as there are no solid arguments. The greatest is this illogical belief that post counts are actually worth anything. Secondly, you're removing an active area of the forum - removing them from view to a separate forum despite being on-topic in their respective forums seems to go beyond the basic rational thought. Thirdly, ask moderators to start removing threads from spam and putting them in their respective forums - there are loads based on celebrities, music, gigs etc.

Also, finally the biggest error in this anti logic - what's the illogical rationale behind there being a boost in "real" threads? Getting rid of a type of thread does not de facto mean an increase in other threads - if anything it will be the opposite, you're suggesting a new demographic of user will appear when this is not true. You'll just have emptier forums and threads that are on-topic being moved to a forum which may as well be a rubbish dump.

Furthermore, you're suggesting the forum become even more miserable and anti-social. These discussions naturally exist in any type of forum. You're suggesting Habbox turn the forum into some conglomerate/serious chat forum when no one cares about that and just want to have a good time, rather than have it ruined by people obsessing over trivialities.

Completely unnecessary.

Then we simply enable post count everywhere :)

[GommeInc]

They do not contradict the rules, these threads are not "pointless" - for some reason people have forgotten what the word means and it's definitely not what some Habbox members think it means - those threads have a "point".

Blame the users who use the Spam forum - there is a cult problem down there where they know that their threads will get coverage despite there being perfectly normal forums for those sorts of threads. There are two distinct cultures on Habbox. The spam culture and whatever you wish to call the other one which is all inclusive. Those who clearly do not care about post count post in spam - they're not being forced too - otherwise they would just post elsewhere in the forum for the post count. They post there because that's where they know they can get coverage.


Then we simply enable post count everywhere :)
Could do and rename the Spam forum to something else, seeing as Spam and Post Count do not really go together in this day and age :P It would be a bit of a contradiction in terms.

That said, the current system isn't broken - just selective obsessives which are blaming the establishment for the self-induced crises other members are causing themselves.

[Kardan]

They do not contradict the rules, these threads are not "pointless" - for some reason people have forgotten what the word means and it's definitely not what some Habbox members think it means - those threads have a "point".

Blame the users who use the Spam forum - there is a cult problem down there where they know that their threads will get coverage despite there being perfectly normal forums for those sorts of threads. There are two distinct cultures on Habbox. The spam culture and whatever you wish to call the other one which is all inclusive. Those who clearly do not care about post count post in spam - they're not being forced too - otherwise they would just post elsewhere in the forum for the post count. They post there because that's where they know they can get coverage.


Could do and rename the Spam forum to something else, seeing as Spam and Post Count do not really go together in this day and age :P It would be a bit of a contradiction in terms.

That said, the current system isn't broken - just selective obsessives which are blaming the establishment for the self-induced crises other members are causing themselves.

Well, part of the system *is* broken.

At the moment, Habbox says post count matters (this being shown by some forums having post count removed).

It seems wrong that you can post full sentences that relate to previous posts and get warned for pointless posting.

But you can easily post 'This series Ep 1', 'This series Ep 2', 'This series Ep 3' and not get warned (and get post count), but you don't get post count for typing '1', '2', '3' in forum games.

To make clear, the main problem isn't post count (I couldn't care if post count got disabled for everyone, or enabled everywhere) - it's more about making the rules consistent (especially when it says repeatedly posting one word answers is against the rules).

[Kardan]

Just an example of the current 'pointless posting' rule, which essentially revolves around 'Don't pointless post for post count/tokens':

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=799526 - Thread gets moved to spam because it's 'better suited'. Why? Is it because it's a 'Post your' thread? :P

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=798747&p=8137273#post8137273 - This post gets rightfully warned with a pointless post... but

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=798583&p=8135606#post8135606 - This post gets reported and gets refused - despite the posts being virtually identical.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=798747 - Only *some* threads get moved to spam for pointless posting

Apparently, you can post two sets of 'Congratulations' in the same congratulations thread and not get warned for pointless posting (Was reported and not warned):

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=799458&p=8145702#post8145702
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=799458&p=8146841#post8146841

And then of course, with these 'post your' threads, you can post 'PJs' or 'News' repeatedly, despite there being a forum rule against that.

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Oh hiya there o/ . never told me you tagged me in here . well i did the math and 1,764 oh my post weren't in those :P I still don't understand why you both are still on about this ???. It's not like you guys complaining about it all the time is going to make us stop? Like i'm not complaining or anything but I kinda don't care that you guys don't like me posting in there

We just want your thoughts on these threads - Why do you post in there? What would you think if post count was disabled from now on in these threads? What would you think if you could only post in there 3 times a day? etc.

[The Don]

Just an example of the current 'pointless posting' rule, which essentially revolves around 'Don't pointless post for post count/tokens':

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=799526 - Thread gets moved to spam because it's 'better suited'. Why? Is it because it's a 'Post your' thread? :P

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=798747&p=8137273#post8137273 - This post gets rightfully warned with a pointless post... but

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=798583&p=8135606#post8135606 - This post gets reported and gets refused - despite the posts being virtually identical.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=798747 - Only *some* threads get moved to spam for pointless posting

Apparently, you can post two sets of 'Congratulations' in the same congratulations thread and not get warned for pointless posting (Was reported and not warned):

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=799458&p=8145702#post8145702
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=799458&p=8146841#post8146841

And then of course, with these 'post your' threads, you can post 'PJs' or 'News' repeatedly, despite there being a forum rule against that.

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We just want your thoughts on these threads - Why do you post in there? What would you think if post count was disabled from now on in these threads? What would you think if you could only post in there 3 times a day? etc.

And that falls into moderator discretion. Clearly due to the history and sheer size of some of the 'post your threads' they have been allowed to stay. Also not to mention different moderators are going to have different opinions on things which is why some stuff will always be inconsistent.

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Why are people so bothered about their post counts? The only problem I see here is that the quality of posts might suffer, which isn't even an issue since you can just choose to ignore those threads...

God knows, they've started using the argument that it affects habbox because of tokens/credits/vip even though if we take a look at the effort required to get anything decent from it the time and effort put in far outweighs the prize. As if that's actually a genuine concern from any of them though.

But as i've previously said, i'm not against post count being enabled everywhere.

[Hannah]

I say just remove post count altogether. Those who complain think far too much of a post count, but tbf it is worthless.
It'd stop discussions like this.

[Kardan]

So is there anyone that is against post count being enabled everywhere? I don't think I've seen anyone with that opinion yet?

[GoldenMerc]

welcome buttons; FlyingJesus; to god usergroup, hope you enjoy your stay :D

[Kardan]

Is it 20k or 25k for God? If it's 20k, I'll just sneak in as well I think.

[GoldenMerc]

Is it 20k or 25k for God? If it's 20k, I'll just sneak in as well I think.

20k, Think the god ug will have like 20 people in atleast

[Kardan]

20k, Think the god ug will have like 20 people in atleast

Well, I imagine management enabling post count everywhere would be their last option, but if they did they would have to rework things, rep power and usergroups come to mind.

[GoldenMerc]

Well, I imagine management enabling post count everywhere would be their last option, but if they did they would have to rework things, rep power and usergroups come to mind.

I can't see it happening personally, the community is too used to this style

[!x!dude!x!2]

Just an example of the current 'pointless posting' rule, which essentially revolves around 'Don't pointless post for post count/tokens':

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=799526 - Thread gets moved to spam because it's 'better suited'. Why? Is it because it's a 'Post your' thread? :P

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=798747&p=8137273#post8137273 - This post gets rightfully warned with a pointless post... but

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=798583&p=8135606#post8135606 - This post gets reported and gets refused - despite the posts being virtually identical.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=798747 - Only *some* threads get moved to spam for pointless posting

Apparently, you can post two sets of 'Congratulations' in the same congratulations thread and not get warned for pointless posting (Was reported and not warned):

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=799458&p=8145702#post8145702
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=799458&p=8146841#post8146841

And then of course, with these 'post your' threads, you can post 'PJs' or 'News' repeatedly, despite there being a forum rule against that.

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We just want your thoughts on these threads - Why do you post in there? What would you think if post count was disabled from now on in these threads? What would you think if you could only post in there 3 times a day? etc.

Ya I would still post in them if the the post count was disabled. I not really sure on why I like posting in them I just do it

[Kardan]

Ya I would still post in them if the the post count was disabled. I not really sure on why I like posting in them I just do it

So surely it would be better to remove post count rather than restrict posting in there (by introducing new rules), so people can post as much as they like.

[!x!dude!x!2]

So surely it would be better to remove post count rather than restrict posting in there (by introducing new rules), so people can post as much as they like.

But didn't I tell you like 2 weeks ago why i post in them :S . I just find no interesting threads to my liking :(