Rare Values Revamp

[Mr-Trainor]

Ok so back towards the end of last year (October-December roughly) I wanted to revamp the way the Rare Values department works, and recently I've seen that Dan seems to have similar ambitions (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=799602&p=8146772#post8146772) but ultimately I was told to wait until after v7 before any of the three proposals were considered. I thought it'd be interesting to share them, as I saw Dan had mentioned them in his congrats thread, and see what everything else thinks.


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Proposal 1

So this was the first of an eventual three proposals, and has been my own idea of what Rare Values should be for a while. Note.. RARE Values. My suggestion was to stop valuing the majority of items that are on Habbox, and just stick with the main categories (Classic Rares, the v7 collections, Branded Furni, Limited Edition Rares, and other sections containing Rares). I later revamped this to basically say that we should value LTD, Gold Star and Silver Star items (those tags you see on an in the tooltip).

A potential problem would be high value items which are bronze star (if there are any) which people may want values for, and also teleported which can't go in the marketplace

Here's how it was originally proposed:
The system stays as it is now, but categories such as School, Drago, Christmas, etc will be moved to a separate section on the site where they exist purely as a furni database. This items will not be valued by rare values staff.

The sections valued by staff will include Classic Rares, Dragons, Monoliths, Branded Furni etc. Also LTDs, collectibles and MAYBE misc rares like the golden school chair/table.

This would cut the number of items VALUED on Habbox significantly, meaning greater focus and more accurate values as there's less choice of what to update.

However, other misc and seasonal sections will remain for other purposes e.g. looking for a furni range that'd suit your room, etc. But NOT for values (Will could do something to pull the mp values if he wanted but I wouldn't recommend that as people would be like 'do that for all items!!!111')

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Proposal 2

The second suggestion for revamp, which wasn't my idea but I can't remember whose it was - possibly @Skynus;'s, was to basically allow all Rare Values Reporters to edit values on the site. This would mean that their values would not need to be moderated before going live, but we may have had selected moderation where high value items needed moderation, or bronze star items were the ones which wouldn't require moderation. This would potentially mean more values updated, and a more up to date (value-wise) furni database for Habbox.

Trust would be the main problem with this, which is why I suggested we have logs (not sure why Habbox doesn't have them anyway tbh) and not allowing trialists to submit live unmoderated values.

Original text:
Give all staff access to update items. The HRVRs would however have to help management with value moderation of trialists values. Trialists will not be given access to update all items until they pass their trial, to ensure they aren't joining just to mess up the site!! This would work well with the v7 system *which might 1 day exist* as it'll log everything and we can ask chippiewill to add the ability to filter logs to specific people and maybe search logs too.

If this happened, we wouldn't necessarily have to remove all the items like in proposal 1, but it would mean waiting for v7 until we have logs so that if something goes wrong we can trace it down to the staff member.

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Proposal 3

The third suggestion was from -:Undertaker:-; and Dan basically said that what we could do is value items worth 100c or more. The only problems I could/can see with this is that firstly, many items will fluctuate around the 100c mark such as the Frost Dragon which has been moving around the 95c-105c range lately. And also there's many other items of interest below the 100c mark which need valuing, such as Classic Rares like the Granite Fountain and Aloe Vera, and even some LTDs.

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So yeah, just thought I'd see what anyone thinks if anyone does have an opinion. Last month was the 3rd strongest month for Rare Values ever with over 1200 values updated but that'd still mean that on average an item is updated only once every 3-4 months!. I really think that Rare Values needs to change its focus and it's a shame I wasn't allowed to do so when I wanted to. This isn't leaking since everything in this thread is written by me, sorry if there's loads of spelling/grammar errors, was in a rush writing this (A).

[Kardan]

Wait, rare value reporters don't update the values on the site?

So their job is to literally post values in the staff sub-forum? Which is what regular members can do anyway?

Wow.

Personally I think Proposal 1 sounds very good, and you could put certain items on a case by case basis I think.

[Mr-Trainor]

Wait, rare value reporters don't update the values on the site?

So their job is to literally post values in the staff sub-forum? Which is what regular members can do anyway?

Wow.

Personally I think Proposal 1 sounds very good, and you could put certain items on a case by case basis I think.
They do update them on the site, but then they have to be approved or denied by a Rare Values Manager or Head Rare Values Reporter. Only those two roles which approved/deny values can post updates to values straight away without moderation.

[Kardan]

They do update them on the site, but then they have to be approved or denied by a Rare Values Manager or Head Rare Values Reporter. Only those two roles which approved/deny values can post updates to values straight away without moderation.

Personally I don't think moderation is necessary - maybe for trialists (Although I imagine that would require coding or whatever). Surely if you've managed to get onto the RV team, you should be trusted? I think they should be able to post the values straight the way, then at least the head reporters can browse over 'recent changes' or something.

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Ah, just realised that Proposal 2 basically covers all of this, and that says there isn't a 'recent changes' in regards to RV?

[Mr-Trainor]

Personally I don't think moderation is necessary - maybe for trialists (Although I imagine that would require coding or whatever). Surely if you've managed to get onto the RV team, you should be trusted? I think they should be able to post the values straight the way, then at least the head reporters can browse over 'recent changes' or something.

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Ah, just realised that Proposal 2 basically covers all of this, and that says there isn't a 'recent changes' in regards to RV?
Yeah there's currently no logs to see who has updated what so I wouldn't personally have put Proposal 2 in place until there was, just to be safe. And on Habbox.com/rv you can only see the last 4 items which were updated which makes it a little useless when there's often 10+ items updated at once.

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Also in regards to Proposal 2, the majority of updates are approved these days anyway, particularly as we tend to be more lenient than we would have prior to the marketplace existing, so I don't necessarily think it'd solve the problem of Rare Values focusing on too many items when it doesn't need to be.

[Kardan]

Yeah there's currently no logs to see who has updated what so I wouldn't personally have put Proposal 2 in place until there was, just to be safe. And on Habbox.com/rv you can only see the last 4 items which were updated which makes it a little useless when there's often 10+ items updated at once.

I agree Proposal 2 isn't much use until you have that log system.

Maybe a good idea is combining RV with HxW.

Not only does that give HxW a purpose, but then we don't have to wait for V7 to be coded, and things are already in place to see recent RV changes and what not.

Plus I'm sure the Wiki can have a usergroup of 'Rare Values' staff set up, so only they can edit values.

And could Habbox.com V7 be able to pull the values straight from the wiki?

[Mr-Trainor]

I agree Proposal 2 isn't much use until you have that log system.

Maybe a good idea is combining RV with HxW.

Not only does that give HxW a purpose, but then we don't have to wait for V7 to be coded, and things are already in place to see recent RV changes and what not.

Plus I'm sure the Wiki can have a usergroup of 'Rare Values' staff set up, so only they can edit values.

And could Habbox.com V7 be able to pull the values straight from the wiki?
That's an interesting idea but I'm not sure whether it'd actually work well in practice. Also, how would that solve the problem of there being no logs? The values on the Wiki are just taken from the Rare Values pages, and if values were just updating directly on the Wiki would there still be graphs and history etc - tbh I have no idea what the potentially functionality of the Wiki is :P.

[Kardan]

That's an interesting idea but I'm not sure whether it'd actually work well in practice. Also, how would that solve the problem of there being no logs? The values on the Wiki are just taken from the Rare Values pages, and if values were just updating directly on the Wiki would there still be graphs and history etc - tbh I have no idea what the potentially functionality of the Wiki is :P.

Well, if the rare values on the wiki were actually inputted, and Habbox actually pulled the values from the wiki (So essentially reversing the current method).

The Wiki has a page called 'Recent Changes', so you can see all the recent changes made to pages. I'm not sure how the Wiki works completely, but I'm sure you could create some sort of page that shows recent changes of a certain category of pages (E.g: Recent Pages of all rare values).

I'm not sure, maybe lawrawrrr; can give some insight.

[Mr-Trainor]

Well, if the rare values on the wiki were actually inputted, and Habbox actually pulled the values from the wiki (So essentially reversing the current method).

The Wiki has a page called 'Recent Changes', so you can see all the recent changes made to pages. I'm not sure how the Wiki works completely, but I'm sure you could create some sort of page that shows recent changes of a certain category of pages (E.g: Recent Pages of all rare values).

I'm not sure, maybe @lawrawrrr (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=61966); can give some insight.
Oo I see what you mean now, that could well be possible. Laura should know :P.

[lawrawrrr]

Well, if the rare values on the wiki were actually inputted, and Habbox actually pulled the values from the wiki (So essentially reversing the current method).

The Wiki has a page called 'Recent Changes', so you can see all the recent changes made to pages. I'm not sure how the Wiki works completely, but I'm sure you could create some sort of page that shows recent changes of a certain category of pages (E.g: Recent Pages of all rare values).

I'm not sure, maybe @lawrawrrr (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=61966); can give some insight.

I don't know if you could pull the values off the wiki because it's not technical enough for that, but that's really not my field of expertise anyway. It just seems like a lot of effort to keep manually updating values - if we make the decision to scrap them for V7, like in proposal 1, then what's the point of keeping it all up on the wiki?

[Mr-Trainor]

I don't know if you could pull the values off the wiki because it's not technical enough for that, but that's really not my field of expertise anyway. It just seems like a lot of effort to keep manually updating values - if we make the decision to scrap them for V7, like in proposal 1, then what's the point of keeping it all up on the wiki?
Yeah I still would have preferred my original idea (Proposal 1) rather than Proposal 2 as I don't think it'd be as effective in removing the problem (too much focus valuing every item).

Just to add on to Proposal 1; rather than moving non valued items to another section on Habbox, that wouldn't be necessarily with the Wiki anyway.

[karter]

i choose the option of scrapping the department altogether

[Kardan]

I don't know if you could pull the values off the wiki because it's not technical enough for that, but that's really not my field of expertise anyway. It just seems like a lot of effort to keep manually updating values - if we make the decision to scrap them for V7, like in proposal 1, then what's the point of keeping it all up on the wiki?

If you keep rare values, you have to update the values manually anyway.

I'm suggesting instead of updating them on the site, update them on the wiki. As you said though, depends if it's technically possible.

[Mr-Trainor]

Maybe it wouldn't be as user friendly and as easy to update a value though (it's quite easy atm, just search an item to find it and then type in a new value over the old one).

[lawrawrrr]

If you keep rare values, you have to update the values manually anyway.

I'm suggesting instead of updating them on the site, update them on the wiki. As you said though, depends if it's technically possible.

My point is, what's the point in keeping manually updating values, a time consuming process when the general consensus is that anything other than rares (and even some of those) are done on MP value really. Pretty sure that manually writing them in, not using the script... plugin... something idk it's been a long day... we currently use to link it to Hx values would make any form of clever usage in order to do that.

Unless a whole new system was written: not something I really see as being worthwhile at the moment. Maybe once the V7 coding is done we can explore alternatives.

[jorsian]

I would go with proposal 2.

Rather than reorganizing or limiting the types of rares that are updated, I think it would be smarter to hire more people or grant more power to the existing people in the department. After all, if you can't trust the people you hire why did you hire them in the first place?

You could always do a combination of both proposals, but I still think either way there is going to be a ton of values that need updating. To exclude certain rares doesn't make sense since the whole point of a rare values section is to value all the rares in existence.

Certainly I would get rid of all the norm categories as I believe it's easy enough to search their value through the marketplace. I doubt many people even bother going to a Rare Value site in order to look up norm values, unless of course they are rare-ish norms like the Tall Tree or Flamingo.

[-:Undertaker:-]

My only problem with the first proposal is this: what would be the point in continuing to value items such as the Russian Samovar and Petal Patch other than for nostalgic reasons? Nobody requires Habbox to tell them the value of a Petal Patch, a Holopod, a Samovar or an Aloe Vera - the Marketplace does that nowadays. The reason why I came up with the 100c (or 50c) limit in my proposal 3 is because items which are over the 100c mark tend to move about more and are rarer, meaning it can be harder for traders to gauge an average value.

Does Habbox need to value items that are very common and low priced? No.
Does Habbox need to value items such as Limited Edition which are not in the catalogue? Yes.
Does Habbox have a role to play in finding the average of expensive (super) rare items that flucuate in price a lot? Yes.

I personally think we should be valuing only Limited Edition items and items which are over the 75c or 100c mark. All the items under 100c are very common and you can easily find the value for them on the marketplace. Either way, anything is better than the mess we have at the moment.

[jorsian]

My only problem with the first proposal is this: what would be the point in continuing to value items such as the Russian Samovar and Petal Patch other than for nostalgic reasons? Nobody requires Habbox to tell them the value of a Petal Patch, a Holopod, a Samovar or an Aloe Vera - the Marketplace does that nowadays. The reason why I came up with the 100c (or 50c) limit in my proposal 3 is because items which are over the 100c mark tend to move about more and are rarer, meaning it can be harder for traders to gauge an average value.

I personally think we should be valuing only Limited Edition items and items which are over the 75c or 100c mark. All the items under 100c are very common and you can easily find the value for them on the marketplace. Either way, anything is better than the mess we have at the moment.

While it is true that the value of certain rares is easily attainable through a quick search of the marketplace, it's often helpful to know the history of a rare's value. Currently, the marketplace only archives sales within a period of 30 days. The Habbox values are more helpful because they show the value of a rare over a much greater period of time, so the trends are easier to spot.

I guess it's a matter of weighing the amount of work it takes to update the values next to how much demand there is for such information.

[-:Undertaker:-]

While it is true that the value of certain rares is easily attainable through a quick search of the marketplace, it's often helpful to know the history of a rare's value. Currently, the marketplace only archives sales within a period of 30 days. The Habbox values are more helpful because they show the value of a rare over a much greater period of time, so the trends are easier to spot.

I guess it's a matter of weighing the amount of work it takes to update the values next to how much demand there is for such information.

That's true and ideally we would like to value everything to keep a nice record - but for a department that nowadays struggles to retain staff (we now have 5 to 8 staff members compared to 25 back in 2006/2007 - with the number of rares having probably increased tenfold) it simply isn't realistic to have the department value everything anymore. There's just too much to value and it's impacting on our ability to focus on those items which do need more investigative reporting (ie, Limited edition items and expensive items).

I used to be able to remember most values off by heart (I still remember the values of items back in 2006) - today that's impossible. :P

[Kardan]

My point is, what's the point in keeping manually updating values, a time consuming process when the general consensus is that anything other than rares (and even some of those) are done on MP value really. Pretty sure that manually writing them in, not using the script... plugin... something idk it's been a long day... we currently use to link it to Hx values would make any form of clever usage in order to do that.

Unless a whole new system was written: not something I really see as being worthwhile at the moment. Maybe once the V7 coding is done we can explore alternatives.

So what do you want rare values to do if they don't manually put in values?

[Mr-Trainor]

I would go with proposal 2.

Rather than reorganizing or limiting the types of rares that are updated, I think it would be smarter to hire more people or grant more power to the existing people in the department. After all, if you can't trust the people you hire why did you hire them in the first place?

You could always do a combination of both proposals, but I still think either way there is going to be a ton of values that need updating. To exclude certain rares doesn't make sense since the whole point of a rare values section is to value all the rares in existence.

Certainly I would get rid of all the norm categories as I believe it's easy enough to search their value through the marketplace. I doubt many people even bother going to a Rare Value site in order to look up norm values, unless of course they are rare-ish norms like the Tall Tree or Flamingo.
As I mentioned in a previous post, the majority of values are approved and still on average items are updated only every 4-6 months. I don't think Proposal 2 would solve the problem, but that's just my opinion :P. Going with proposal 1 and getting rid of the majority of Bronze Star items could increase that average to an item being updated every 0.5-2.5 months and then even further when people realise it's easier to see which values haven't been updated for a while rather than just neglecting them because they're so hard to find.


My only problem with the first proposal is this: what would be the point in continuing to value items such as the Russian Samovar and Petal Patch other than for nostalgic reasons? Nobody requires Habbox to tell them the value of a Petal Patch, a Holopod, a Samovar or an Aloe Vera - the Marketplace does that nowadays. The reason why I came up with the 100c (or 50c) limit in my proposal 3 is because items which are over the 100c mark tend to move about more and are rarer, meaning it can be harder for traders to gauge an average value.

Does Habbox need to value items that are very common and low priced? No.
Does Habbox need to value items such as Limited Edition which are not in the catalogue? Yes.
Does Habbox have a role to play in finding the average of expensive (super) rare items that flucuate in price a lot? Yes.

I personally think we should be valuing only Limited Edition items and items which are over the 75c or 100c mark. All the items under 100c are very common and you can easily find the value for them on the marketplace. Either way, anything is better than the mess we have at the moment.
The Aloe Vera actually fluctuates a fair bit, and sometimes is seen in very low quantity on the marketplace so I personally would say that valuing it is essential. And also, the four examples you gave are Classic Rares which are one of the main categories of focus on Habbox which I tried to update at least once a week. But more importantly, I think that by scrapping all items below 100c you're forgetting the fundamental reason for the existence of Rare Values; values change. What would you have done when the Idea Agency Sofa fell from ~120c to 85c due to unstability? Or when the Frost Dragon went from 100c to 91c to 102c, would you have removed it before then adding it back again? That's one of the problems with your idea in my opinion.

Another thing you're forgetting is that many rarer items below the 100c mark do exist :P. Here's just a few from the top of my head:


Bronze Trophy
Green Oriental Screen
Idea Agency Super Cake
Silver Trophy
Talk To FRANK Brain Lamp
Turquoise Powered Fan

Surely they deserved to be valued, yet they're below 100c so would you be getting rid of them all? The Talk To FRANK Brain Lamp in particular is very rarely seen on the Marketplace and when it does that doesn't mean it'll have an average value?
Then items that can't go on the marketplace which are below 100c:


ads_1800teles
Architeuthis


And then there's popular items which investors may want to use Habbox to see the value history for in order to make informed decision, and the Marketplace only shows the last 30 days where sometimes I've even found that Habbox's 10 months(?) isn't even enough!

Basically; very common =/= low priced.


While it is true that the value of certain rares is easily attainable through a quick search of the marketplace, it's often helpful to know the history of a rare's value. Currently, the marketplace only archives sales within a period of 30 days. The Habbox values are more helpful because they show the value of a rare over a much greater period of time, so the trends are easier to spot.

I guess it's a matter of weighing the amount of work it takes to update the values next to how much demand there is for such information.
Yes that's my point exactly, Habbox's graphs of value history make it so much easier to decide which items to invest in :P!

[lawrawrrr]

So what do you want rare values to do if they don't manually put in values?
Focus on manually putting in a much smaller range of values aka ltds and super rares

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I've got a few more ideas as well which I've been discussing with the agms

[Kardan]

Focus on manually putting in a much smaller range of values aka ltds and super rares

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I've got a few more ideas as well which I've been discussing with the agms

So you do want them to manually input values? :P I don't think I understood what you were trying to say earlier then :P

[lawrawrrr]

So you do want them to manually input values? :P I don't think I understood what you were trying to say earlier then :P
OH MY GOOD LORD WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND

if they manually input all values into habboxwiki OR the system that is on v6/similar on v7 it is VERY time consuming, time that could be spent working on projects which could expand the RV department greatly.

if they manually input values for ONLY rare items that means that not only do we have more up to date values, as there's no longer thousands of furni, just a few hundred (even that?) left: much smaller ratio from furni to staff.

[Mr-Trainor]

OH MY GOOD LORD WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND

if they manually input all values into habboxwiki OR the system that is on v6/similar on v7 it is VERY time consuming, time that could be spent working on projects which could expand the RV department greatly.

if they manually input values for ONLY rare items that means that not only do we have more up to date values, as there's no longer thousands of furni, just a few hundred (even that?) left: much smaller ratio from furni to staff.
None of these proposals will make anything less time consuming for any member of the department though, the point is that people are exceeding their minimums.


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Even in the strongest months where updated values can go from 1200-1700 (and that has only happened three times), that means an item being updated on average every 3 months. If Bronze Star items were no longer updated (is there anyway we can get actual numbers of how many items with each tag and also how many items in total (the latter should be around 4500 I think)) then that could potentially become every 0.5-1 month for an item to be updated, but again that's just a guess and would depend how many items actually have a bronze star :P.

[Tyler]

tbh i voted them all

[Kardan]

OH MY GOOD LORD WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND

if they manually input all values into habboxwiki OR the system that is on v6/similar on v7 it is VERY time consuming, time that could be spent working on projects which could expand the RV department greatly.

if they manually input values for ONLY rare items that means that not only do we have more up to date values, as there's no longer thousands of furni, just a few hundred (even that?) left: much smaller ratio from furni to staff.

Why are you shouting? :( And when did I ever say anything about inputting all furniture values?

[lawrawrrr]

Why are you shouting? :( And when did I ever say anything about inputting all furniture values?

Frustration :p

And that's what they do now, if we were to carry on the current system, transferring it to wiki or anything, they'd still be manually doing all furni updates


on phone xx

[Mr-Trainor]

Why are you shouting? :( And when did I ever say anything about inputting all furniture values?
Probably means the need to manually add every value to begin using the Wiki as opposed to Habbox v6 if they can't be migrated over?

[Kardan]

Probably means the need to manually add every value to begin using the Wiki as opposed to Habbox v6 if they can't be migrated over?

I suppose that is a problem if you had to update it all at once, yeah. I suppose it depends on how many items you would keep valuing to see how big of a task it would be.

Anyway, the Wiki thing is only an idea. It seems a lot simpler from my point of view. Means there would be no coding in V7 except a 'Pull this value' thing from HxW, and you already have the Wiki infrastructure so people can edit values and what not. And of course, depends if it's technologically possible.

Ah well, just trying to give HxW a purpose :P

[Mr-Trainor]

tbh i voted them all
Any particular reason :P?


I suppose that is a problem if you had to update it all at once, yeah. I suppose it depends on how many items you would keep valuing to see how big of a task it would be.

Anyway, the Wiki thing is only an idea. It seems a lot simpler from my point of view. Means there would be no coding in V7 except a 'Pull this value' thing from HxW, and you already have the Wiki infrastructure so people can edit values and what not. And of course, depends if it's technologically possible.

Ah well, just trying to give HxW a purpose :P
Yeah I think it should definitely be considered, it seems like a fairly reasonable idea and my biggest concern would just be how user friendly it'd be for both the people using the values and the people updating them :).

[lawrawrrr]

If values aren't wanted, needed, a good use of time on the main site, why would that be any different on the Wiki?

And it has a purpose, it's the biggest information bank on Habbo, Sulake and Habbox history (ok first two are the most important).

[j0rd]

I still think your all looking too much inside the box. I don't personally think that any of the current 'revamp' ideas will do anything at all, but I'm sure something can be pulled from somewhere!

I have no ideas so just going to leave that there :P

[Tyler]

[QUOTE=Mr-Trainor;8150230]Any particular reason :P?]

There all good ideas. Personally any of them are a possibility (not as keen for number 4)

[Inseriousity.]

Are those auctions still popular? Personally instead of rare values I see it as the 'trade' department. The trading side of Habbo seems to be quite popular and I think that we should try to tap into that subculture of Habbo more generally rather than just via valuing rares, especially as the latter is not as necessary or popular as it used to be.

[Samantha]

-:Undertaker:-; you say items under 100c are generally sold a lot on the MarketPlace, but there are so many that aren't, but they're not the rarest of items either. Things like Stately Roofs for example, I used to have a few of these and I literally haven't seen any since I sold all mine on, nor have I seen them in the MarketPlace, also items people spend ages looking for, Stage Fence Corners perhaps? They can never find them. I think we do need to push for the ultra/supers/LTDs and Teleports though, but not exactly alienate those that aren't found easily - perhaps scrap norms and other items that are sold often (perhaps HC Rares, Eco furniture, etc.)

I agree that the moderation of values could be done by the team of reporters and the suggest forum could be pushed a lot more if say someone isn't part of the team as then we could get members reporting actual rares and perhaps these could even be submitted on the site to an extent? That way the normal staff could look and the community feel is also brought back.

[Mr-Trainor]

Are those auctions still popular? Personally instead of rare values I see it as the 'trade' department. The trading side of Habbo seems to be quite popular and I think that we should try to tap into that subculture of Habbo more generally rather than just via valuing rares, especially as the latter is not as necessary or popular as it used to be.
I think most trading will happen through the marketplace whether we like it or not, and auctions do seem to have died down since I had mine back when they were quite popular.


@-:Undertaker:- (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24233); you say items under 100c are generally sold a lot on the MarketPlace, but there are so many that aren't, but they're not the rarest of items either. Things like Stately Roofs for example, I used to have a few of these and I literally haven't seen any since I sold all mine on, nor have I seen them in the MarketPlace, also items people spend ages looking for, Stage Fence Corners perhaps? They can never find them.
My point exactly :P. I was pushing for LTDs/Gold star/Silver star with some additions which would cover norms like the Stately Roofs and Teleporters.


I think we do need to push for the ultra/supers/LTDs and Teleports though, but not exactly alienate those that aren't found easily - perhaps scrap norms and other items that are sold often (perhaps HC Rares, Eco furniture, etc.)
Basically the majority of what Habbox values, doesn't need valuing.

[Kyle]

NONE of these options look at all appealing. Where is the "remove rvr job" option?

There are some difficult to obtain items that aren't added to the marketplace at all often that fall below the 100c bracket and those are the ones people are most looking for the prices for. these and teleporters/ltds are literally the only thing rare values will be useful for and it's too difficult to keep on top of items traded in such small quantities. scrap.

[Kardan]

If values aren't wanted, needed, a good use of time on the main site, why would that be any different on the Wiki?

And it has a purpose, it's the biggest information bank on Habbo, Sulake and Habbox history (ok first two are the most important).

If it's possible to create something on V7 that pulls the values from the Wiki, aka, if the page had something like:



Purple ICM

Rarity: Normal Rare
Price: **/wiki/PurpleICM/Price**

And it would appear as:



Purple ICM

Rarity: Normal Rare
Price: 100c


Then would we not need to spend as much time coding RV for V7? Is that not an easier way to do it? Chippiewill; Do you know how wikis work?)

[Mr-Trainor]

I have a feeling it'd still require more coding, to get other functions like the graphs working etc, and migrating existing data from 2010 might not be easily possible?

[Kardan]

I have a feeling it'd still require more coding, to get other functions like the graphs working etc, and migrating existing data from 2010 might not be easily possible?

Ah, didn't think about the old data. I suppose you'd still need some sort of system for the old data anyway, so might as well put it all on the same system.

[iLogan]

in my opinion, when Habbo released the market place - rv became defunct & redundant.

there seems to be a certain amount of nostalgia surrounding the rv department, but i think the question that really needs asking is: is it actually needed anymore? especially if its one of thing holding back V7, which could potentially see a new lease of life for habbox (but then again i think its become over anticipated) by the sounds of it other departments (events & news?) are struggling, perhaps rv staff could be moved over to those departments to help out instead of becoming redundant.

in all honesty - who has actually looked at rare values for the price of an item in the last few years?

[Mr-Trainor]

in all honesty - who has actually looked at rare values for the price of an item in the last few years?
I have.

[lucaskf390]

in my opinion, when Habbo released the market place - rv became defunct & redundant.

there seems to be a certain amount of nostalgia surrounding the rv department, but i think the question that really needs asking is: is it actually needed anymore? especially if its one of thing holding back V7, which could potentially see a new lease of life for habbox (but then again i think its become over anticipated) by the sounds of it other departments (events & news?) are struggling, perhaps rv staff could be moved over to those departments to help out instead of becoming redundant.

in all honesty - who has actually looked at rare values for the price of an item in the last few years?

Ok, where are 10.100c+ furni valued in mp? Where are teleporters valued in mp? Where are LTDs valued in mp? Please show me.

Most of people that use values aren't even registered

[Lagg]

Maybe instead of having it moderated you could have members post prices and a system where it adds up them prices and makes an average price overall. Only prices that look very much out of the ordinary would be moderated.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The results seem pretty clear with this and the sooner most of the pointless stuff is removed then the better. I don't see any reason to wait to V7 to bring this about and I'll request from General Management (if possible) the shifting about of categories and their removal asap.

I've requested that Proposal 1 be accepted by General Management.

[Mr-Trainor]

The results seem pretty clear with this and the sooner most of the pointless stuff is removed then the better. I don't see any reason to wait to V7 to bring this about and I'll request from General Management (if possible) the shifting about of categories and their removal asap.

I've requested that Proposal 1 be accepted by General Management.
Any update on what's going to happen? Are changes still not allowed?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Just an update on this...

General Management are now looking into this and focusing on RV this weekend so hopefully changes will be announced this week if all goes well. :)