Enough is Enough.

[God]

Enough is Enough.

Do you believe raping our land for Oil is ok?

We need to stop. We have the technology to do so. Some countries are on their way. Some already 80% Renewable, 100% by 2030

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[Kardan]

It's ok if we're married to it, right?

[Stephen]

its not rape its surprise sex

[Yawn]

well wouldnt that be nice :)

[Evanora]

well maybe the land shouldn't dress so provocatively

maybe then it wouldnt be raped

[Kardan]

Oh, and if the land is male and the oil workers are female it's okay, because guys can't get raped by girls.

[Futz]

I do think we should put a little more money into research of renewable energy

[IzzyUhh]

Learny about this today actually and if its wrong to do this etc, its good in the sense its helpong us but were using it faster than its being made, and eveb though renewable energy is in place and biofuels, they arent used everywhere and arent very cheap. Am I on the right topic idk

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[-:Undertaker:-]

I very much support oil extraction as well as the tar sands, Canada has done amazingly well in making use of its natural resources that it was gifted and as has the United States - something that has helped keep energy prices down which is essential for any competitive economy.

The sooner Britain starts fracking like mad on mass, the better.


We need to stop. We have the technology to do so. Some countries are on their way. Some already 80% Renewable, 100% by 2030

I'm very interested in this claim, so what developed nations of substantial size are 80% renewable already?

[The Don]

I'm very interested in this claim, so what developed nations of substantial size are 80% renewable already?

Iceland's at roughly 85% for total primary energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Iceland) and also Denmark aims to be at 70% by 2020, and 100% by 2050 (http://www.dw.de/denmark-leads-the-charge-in-renewable-energy/a-17603695)

[-:Undertaker:-]

Iceland's at roughly 85% for total primary energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Iceland) and also Denmark aims to be at 70% by 2020, and 100% by 2050 (http://www.dw.de/denmark-leads-the-charge-in-renewable-energy/a-17603695)

Ah, geothermal and hydro for a country such as Iceland isn't surprising though. It makes sense for them.

Wind and solar though cannot power a nation. The UK for example, via EU legislation, is committed to something like 20% by 2020 being renewables.... yet even if it is achieved, no power plants will close as a result as they'll be required to be on standby as wind doesn't work - resulting in rolling blackouts.

When western nations go bust, maybe reality will return. America and the Canadians have it right.

[The Don]

Ah, geothermal and hydro for a country such as Iceland isn't surprising though. It makes sense for them.

Wind and solar though cannot power a nation. The UK for example, via EU legislation, is committed to something like 20% by 2020 being renewables.... yet even if it is achieved, no power plants will close as a result as they'll be required to be on standby as wind doesn't work - resulting in rolling blackouts.

When western nations go bust, maybe reality will return. America and the Canadians have it right.

What about Denmark?

[!x!dude!x!2]

'raping our land in oil' what....
What kind of technology do we have to stop it ?

[-:Undertaker:-]

What about Denmark?

From what I have read in the past probably from Booker or North, Denmark is forced to import energy from nuclear plants in France/Germany/elsewhere to supply it's grid due to instability caused by renewables.

I've found something rough on it here.

http://www.dw.de/denmark-leads-the-charge-in-renewable-energy/a-17603695


Denmark Using Foreign Grids For RE Balancing: For more than 35 years, Denmark has used the grids of Sweden and Denmark, each with significant hydro-plant capacity, MW, for balancing its excessive energy during high wind energy periods.

As Denmark aims to increase its wind energy from just over 30% of its total generation in 2012 to 50% in 2020, mostly from offshore, Denmark will become an energy exporter during almost all hours of the year, but the wholesale export prices are about 0.25 DKK/kWh x 13 eurocent/DKK = 3.25 eurocent/kWh, whereas offshore wind energy costs about 1.05 DKK x 13 eurocent/DKK = 13.65 eurocent/kWh, 4.2 times greater. Danish climate and energy minister Petersen has threatened to cancel 1,000 MW of offshore wind turbine plants, unless their energy prices are lowered.

The difference in price is via the green electricity tax, the PSO levy, to the tune of 1.3 billion DKK/yr, mostly paid by Danish households, instead of industry, as not to impair industrial competitiveness. How going to 50% wind energy is a wealth generator for Denmark remains a mystery.

http://cphpost.dk/news/energy-minister-ready-to-scrap-offshore-wind-farms.8763.html

At present, the hydro plants of Norway and Sweden act as a balancing and storage utility for Denmark. The more wind energy Denmark generates, the more it needs that "battery". Denmark pays for this by delivering energy at low grid prices and absorbing it at high grid prices. The exact $ amount appears to be a state secret; it has been estimated at well over 1 b euro some years ago. As much of the additional Danish wind energy will be offshore, that 1 billion likely will double or triple. Danish households already have the highest electric rates in Europe; 30.45 eurocent/kWh in December 2013.

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2013/7/2/174936/9080

http://www.energypriceindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/HEPI_Press_Release_December-2013.pdf

In 2002, Denmark had so little winds that during 54 days no wind energy was produced, but the wind turbines were consuming energy, a.k.a., parasitic energy, just the same. There likely were an additional 50 or so days with minimal energy production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_grid_integration

Luckily, Denmark's OTHER coal, gas, nuclear, generators, and the hydro plants of Norway and Sweden provided the shortfall, but with Denmark's current annual wind energy percent on the grid, this would be a significantly greater effort.

Whereas, weather systems tend to cover large geographical areas, at that time, the lack of wind energy generation was noticed mostly in Denmark, as other nations had much fewer wind turbines, which would not be the case at present and going forward. Something for many nations to think about for planning purposes.

If renewables truly worked and were such a great success, then they wouldn't require huge government subsidies (taken from the poor taxpayer as usual) and private companies would be building them all over.

But they're not.

[God]

I very much support oil extraction as well as the tar sands, Canada has done amazingly well in making use of its natural resources that it was gifted and as has the United States - something that has helped keep energy prices down which is essential for any competitive economy.

The sooner Britain starts fracking like mad on mass, the better.



I'm very interested in this claim, so what developed nations of substantial size are 80% renewable already?

Yep, Tar Sands Oil is very good. We meh its only Trillions of Litres of Fresh water being turned into a chemical bloodbath every couple days. Yep Totally Fine

(Sarcastic^)

Anyways take a look here, and maybe watch a few films. Theres one called "Canada Under Siege" Im actually watching it now and its about 30 minutes long in total. Look at the hell we are living in. I would also LOVE to tell you this key part of info. You know where the Oil Goes? Str8 to Tankers to be shipped to mainly China and other parts of the world. Canada does not get any of this, nor do we benefit from supposed Lower Energy Prices.

Also "Frack Off Gas Holes" Hydrolic Fracturing aka Fracking, (love this sign I've seen on one of the reserves "Get the FRACK off our land")

Heres a great site about fracking http://www.thefrackingtruth.org/

A fun informative music video for the simple people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rS_TsOU-k4

Why would you ever wish to bring this Hell upon your people?




Well for example 80% Renewable Energy;




Iceland – Built as it is on a volcano, Iceland has tapped the earth’s natural warmth to supply 85% of the country’s housing with heat. Between geothermal and hydropower, the electricity supply is 100% renewable energy (http://www.os.is/gogn/os-onnur-rit/orkutolur_2011-enska.pdf). Iceland has so much geothermal capacity that their ambassador to Britain is in discussions about whether or not they could build an interconnector into the UK grid (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/04/12/uk-iceland-power-idUKBRE83B0X020120412).



Lesotho – The small mountainous African country of Lesotho also has practically 100% renewable electricity, thanks to the Lesotho Highlands Water Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesotho_Highlands_Water_Project). The network of dams exports water into South Africa, providing almost all of Lesotho’s power along the way. The project has its controversies, including serious corruption.



Albania – with large scale hydroelectric facilities, Albania used to be a net exporter of electricity. Unfortunately droughts have seriously reduced the capacity of its dams, and along with widespread corruption and the stealing of electricity, there are now power shortages. Nevertheless, the country runs on around 85% (http://ws2-23.myloadspring.com/sites/renew/countries/Albania/profile.aspx) renewable electricity.



Paraguay – Itaipu dam, one of the world’s largest, provides 90% of Paraguay’s electricity and 19% of Brazil’s. It cost $20 billion, took 30 years to build, and displaces 67.5 million tonnes of CO2 a year.
Norway – Britain’s top three sources of electricity are gas, coal and nuclear. Norway’s are hydroelectric, geothermal and wind, but they’re an interesting case. Norway’s renewable energy sector has developed to serve the export market rather than domestic consumption. If you look at Norway’s generating capacity it would be around 98% renewable, but if you look at the country’s consumption, that falls to 24% because most of the clean energy Guarantees of Origin have been sold to neighbouring countries.


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If renewables truly worked and were such a great success, then they wouldn't require huge government subsidies (taken from the poor taxpayer as usual) and private companies would be building them all over.

But they're not.


Renewables do work, and are successes. Thing is, who owns the sun, who owns the wind, the water? Noone. They own Oil, so ofc they are going to use that to get profit.

Subsidies for Renewable energy is because most are from Small businesses which don't have the capital to make these world changing operations. Big companies with lots of capital are sticking with Dirty Oil.

[Storking]

current renewable energy methods cannot sustain our energy demands. what we need and what will inevitably happen is the discovery of an easy method to fuse atoms; an unlimited, clean energy source. **** the wind, waves and solar

so anyway until we develop atom fusion, oil is a great source of energy (is any other species of animal going to utilise it if we don't? no, so we should take advantage of the plentiful sources remaining)