The Euro Election Day Megathread

[Chippiewill]

Because I want one.

Google Doodle
Beginning on a light note, Google has a special Google Doodle for today:
http://i.imgur.com/Pl1EXy9.jpg

Go out and vote
If you're 18 and British then you're probably legally entitled to vote in the European elections in the UK today. If you're european you might be able to vote somewhere else.. or maybe on a different day. The Elections are proportional representation so unlike most of our elections EVERY VOTE COUNTS. Here's some more info on voting:
http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/

Remember, even if you don't want to vote for any particular party, it's at least worth going in and spoiling your ballot so that your abstinence is logged.

If you're a student/young (Which you probably are) then you are particularly under represented in political elections so its worth making a special effort, even if you have exams today.

Who to vote for?
Make sure you don't just vote for a party just because someone recommended it to you or because everyone on this forum has been acting like there are only four poltical parties. These Euro elections have a lot of different parties and proportional representation means voting for the little guy means as much as the big guys. This website may be helpful to you in ascertaining who to vote for:
http://uk.votematch.eu/

Here's some info on your potential MEPs:
http://yournextmep.com/

[wixard]

thanks dad

i know more about the UK politics than my own!! probably won't vote

[FlyingJesus]

10 BNP candidates in my area, sounds about right THERE'S A ROMAN PARTY WHAT

hey check out this UKIP guy he is well flashy https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000604370790/f933987bab0f4167bf18cc09157afd61.jpeg

and good effort from Green to be taken seriously https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2204610902/twitter_profile_bread.JPG

[Chippiewill]

Voters advised not to take selfies in polling booths

Staff at polling stations have been told to stop people taking "selfies" - even though it is not against the law.

The Electoral Commission fears the craze for taking self-portraits on phones and posting them on social media threatens the secrecy of the ballot.

Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison.

Staff have been urged to put up 'no photography' signs in polling stations.

Some have also received training in what a selfie is - and what to do when they spot someone about to take one in or around a polling booth.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27486392

I think I need training on what a selfie is.

[God]

vow bnp

[-:Undertaker:-]

Just voted, 7am on the dot. :P Ukip in Euros and Locals.

I was going to say how this being my first Euro Election I hope it is my last, but the post below took the words out of my mouth...


As a University student, this will be my first and hopefully last European election. I would much rather see as many of our laws as possible made in the houses of parliament, than in Brussels. I would much rather see us implement an immigration system based on the quality of an applicant, no matter where they are from in this world, so we can keep those who will contribute in, and keep those who won't, out. This is not racist, this is the view of the other major Anglosphere countries. I would much rather see us save all that money we are handing over. More importantly, I just want us to feel proud as a nation again, like the generation above me once were. I am not European, I am British. That's why I and many others I know will vote UKIP today.

[Kardan]

Even if UKIP win today, nothing will even change in regards to immigration etc? It's simply UKIP showing that they've now got enough support on the issue, right?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Even if UKIP win today, nothing will even change in regards to immigration etc? It's simply UKIP showing that they've now got enough support on the issue, right?

Correct.

The European 'parliament' is a powerless body that cannot create laws like a normal parliament but which can only say yes/no to the unelected European Commission which is the body which creates the laws. The United Kingdom only has something like 9% of MEPs in the voting chamber too which makes it even more worthless, all of which is another reason why we ought to leave the EU for the sake of democracy.

The importance of this if Ukip win is that it'll be a blow to the 100-year cosy duopoly between the Conservatives and Labour, that it'll show the contempt we have for the EU & the main two parties, it'll put pressure on Labour to hold a referendum and it'll build Ukip up as a force for 2015.

I don't want a federal Europe, I don't want our parliament to be overruled, I don't want MEPs and most of all: I want a say.

[lemons]

what time do we find out the winner


imagine if labour wins http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/smilies/hehe.png http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/smilies/hehe.png http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/smilies/hehe.png

[Kardan]

imagine if labour wins http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/smilies/hehe.png http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/smilies/hehe.png http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/smilies/hehe.png

My thoughts exactly, but sadly I don't think it will happen :P

Not sure about results, if it's anything like other elections, it'll be tomorrow.

[-:Undertaker:-]

what time do we find out the winner

Local results will filter through tonight/tomorrow and Euro results will be Sunday evening.

[GommeInc]

I need to head out soon to vote. So far the only local candidate that's got any good policies is the UKIP one and apparently UKIP as a party let their local candidates have free reign over their policies which probably explains why this UKIP candidate, if you remove the UKIP facade, seems pretty decent.

I'll probably vote UKIP for European Elections, even though some of my international friends want me to vote Lib Dems :P

[Yupt]

Bet the Green party were right pleased with all the bloody paper used.

[Kardan]

I just voted. The people at my polling station said the amount of people was 'steady' and it was more than they expected to vote so far. Not sure if that's good/bad :P

[wordofwisdom]

even though i'm 18 in july i still wouldn't vote i don't care regardless

[Kardan]

even though i'm 18 in july i still wouldn't vote i don't care regardless

Then really (if you were 18) you should go and spoil your ballot.

I still think national elections should have a 'None of the above' option like my Uni (and I expect other Unis) do. At least then we can measure the amount of people that don't like anyone, to the idiots that can't follow simple voting instructions.

[dbgtz]

I would have voted if I registered but hey hum. I would have only spoiled my ballot anyway so it doesn't make a huge difference by any stretch of the imagination. So long as Labour doesn't win EU and local elections (especially after seeing an election leaflet by the local candidate) in my area than I'm not overly fussed.

[Kyle]

a lot of young people coming out to vote ukip where they wouldn't have voted before it seems

rip eu membership

[Kardan]

But now all my foreign food shops will go out of business :'(

[Chippiewill]

I just voted. The people at my polling station said the amount of people was 'steady' and it was more than they expected to vote so far. Not sure if that's good/bad :P

It's probably bad for UKIP, a lot of their votes come from people who will definitely vote rather than maybe vote. Not that estimates from a single polling station have any significant bearing on this matter.

[Shar]

I wasn't sure who to vote for in the first place but now that I'm not home I cant anyway. Happy voting to everyone else.

[myles]

cant be ******

[Chippiewill]

http://i.imgur.com/VHqq3ex.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/R7HXfsZ.jpg

[The Don]

Correct.

The European 'parliament' is a powerless body that cannot create laws like a normal parliament but which can only say yes/no to the unelected European Commission which is the body which creates the laws. The United Kingdom only has something like 9% of MEPs in the voting chamber too which makes it even more worthless, all of which is another reason why we ought to leave the EU for the sake of democracy.

The importance of this if Ukip win is that it'll be a blow to the 100-year cosy duopoly between the Conservatives and Labour, that it'll show the contempt we have for the EU & the main two parties, it'll put pressure on Labour to hold a referendum and it'll build Ukip up as a force for 2015.

I don't want a federal Europe, I don't want our parliament to be overruled, I don't want MEPs and most of all: I want a say.

The Commission is elected...

[-:Undertaker:-]

The Commission is elected...

Not by the public.

Reckon the British people will be able to name any of these crackpots and/or non-entities below?


http://jpg.euractiv.com/files/styles/x-large/public/maastricht_debate.jpg?itok=dX67efS0

Ladies and Gentlemen, meet your new European Commission President.

Or the non-entity Herman Van Rompuy?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmbJVR7fXbQ

[Chippiewill]

Not by the public.
Neither is our cabinet.

[The Don]

Not by the public.

Reckon the British people will be able to name any of these crackpots and/or non-entities below?


http://jpg.euractiv.com/files/styles/x-large/public/maastricht_debate.jpg?itok=dX67efS0

Ladies and Gentlemen, meet your new European Commission President.

Doesn't make them unelected.

How many MP's do you think the British public can name? How many house of lords members do you think the public can name? How many senators do you think the US public can name?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Neither is our cabinet.

But that's the difference, and that's why the EU parliament isn't a parliament at all.

In a normal parliament, a real parliament, you go into the elections with each party promising to form a government from the floor of that chamber of elected MPs. In the EU parliament, the MEPs are elected who then choose to appoint a Commission of people who are not elected from the chamber floor. That Commission then proposes legislation and passes it on to the parliament, where as in a real democratic process the parliament is the body which proposes legislation on the whim of the elected government who sit in the parliament.

That's why it's known by observers as the 'democratic deficit' - but the EU can never be a true democracy anyway simply by it's nature.


Doesn't make them unelected.

How many MP's do you think the British public can name? How many houses of lords member do you think the public can name?

I'd say a damn lot more than could name Herman Van Rompuy or any of the four in the photo above.


How many senators do you think the US public can name?

Who cares? The US Senate isn't making laws for Britain.

[FlyingJesus]

We have a representative democracy as we have done for hundreds of years, nothing is totally decided "by the people" because we elect others to make decisions for us. To then claim that the effect of their decisions is undemocratic is ludicrous

[-:Undertaker:-]

We have a representative democracy as we have done for hundreds of years, nothing is totally decided "by the people" because we elect others to make decisions for us. To then claim that the effect of their decisions is undemocratic is ludicrous

It is, but the EU system in the UK would be akin to just electing Councillors who would then vote for the Government on our behalf.

I don't regard that as an elected government or a true democracy as the executive of decision making isn't elected by the people.

[The Don]

I'd say a damn lot more than could name Herman Van Rompuy or any of the four in the photo above.

Besides the point and aimless conjecture. How does being able to name any of them have any relevance to how good they are at their job? You love the house of lords and I very much doubt the vast majority of the public could name a single member.


Who cares? The US Senate isn't making laws for Britain.

It's called an example, keep up.

You say they're unelected which is simply not true and is factually wrong.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Besides the point and aimless conjecture. How does being able to name any of them have any relevance to how good they are at their job? You love the house of lords and I very much doubt the vast majority of the public could name a single member.

The House of Lords isn't a primary chamber, it's simply a revising chamber.

As for whether people know them, i'm just pointing out how distant and alien the entire EU system feels to people.


It's called an example, keep up.

A bad example at that. :P


You say they're unelected which is simply not true and is factually wrong.

Well that just goes to show how much you are in the bunker mentality when it comes to the EU. You know, you could've least replied to me saying what many pro-EU people say which is that "yes you are right that there is a democratic deficit, but that is why Britain needs to stay in the EU to reform the system and make it more accountable" but you won't even bring yourself to do that. I'm not complaining though, you make the job of those who want out a lot easier.

That's why i'm hoping either Schultz or Verhofstadt (both come across as dogmatic, and are federalists) get the top job. Makes my case easier.

[The Don]

Well that just goes to show how much you are in the bunker mentality when it comes to the EU. You know, you could've least replied to me saying what many pro-EU people say which is that "yes you are right that there is a democratic deficit, but that is why Britain needs to stay in the EU to reform the system and make it more accountable" but you won't even bring yourself to do that. I'm not complaining though, you make the job of those who want out a lot easier.

That's why i'm hoping either Schultz or Verhofstadt (both come across as dogmatic, and are federalists) get the top job. Makes my case easier.

In the bunker mentality by pointing out that calling an elected group of people unelected is factually wrong? Alright Dan.

[Joshirin]

ugh can't vote, would of voted UKIP though

[Zelda]

went and voted about half an hour ago, greens across the board

[MKR&*42]

Idk whether I can actually vote... I applied very recently to be put on electoral roll.a few wk ago and the council replied to me saying I would be added to the June register... Yet I got my poll card or w.e. yday about where I go to vote?

Im TOO CONFUSED

[Chippiewill]

You can always just try to vote. The worst that'll happen is you'll be arrested for election fraud and thrown in prison.

[MKR&*42]

Oh not that bad a risk then.

[Chippiewill]

Democracy is worth going to prison for.

[Kardan]

Idk whether I can actually vote... I applied very recently to be put on electoral roll.a few wk ago and the council replied to me saying I would be added to the June register... Yet I got my poll card or w.e. yday about where I go to vote?

Im TOO CONFUSED

If you've got a poll card saying you can vote - I'm pretty sure you can vote? You don't get a poll card when you can't vote, and you don't get one when you get added to the electoral register.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I am hearing that a Dutch exit poll will be out shortly, I will post if it comes about. I really hope Geert Wilders (http://i0.mail.com/504/2862504,h=425,pd=1,w=620/geert-wilders.jpg) and the PVV have topped the polls.

We won't be having any exit polling in Britain so I read, but I also am reading that Populus are putting together something for later tonight....

[MKR&*42]

If you've got a poll card saying you can vote - I'm pretty sure you can vote? You don't get a poll card when you can't vote, and you don't get one when you get added to the electoral register.

Oh okay then I might drag myself down to the polling station soon.

[MKR&*42]

Just went and voted, I was eligible thankfully :P

[Chippiewill]

Just went and voted, I was eligible thankfully :P

Posted from my my jail cell.
ftfy

I am hearing that a Dutch exit poll will be out shortly, I will post if it comes about. I really hope Geert Wilders (http://i0.mail.com/504/2862504,h=425,pd=1,w=620/geert-wilders.jpg) and the PVV have topped the polls.

We won't be having any exit polling in Britain so I read, but I also am reading that Populus are putting together something for later tonight....

I was under the impression that exit polls were banned.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOn45wNdoXw

[Inseriousity.]

You know you're addicted to the current affairs forum when....

you see it's raining and think dan's probably jumping for joy.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Ladbrokes shortens odds on Ukip topping the polls in terms of vote count, now at 4/11.

Just over half an hour until the polls close, I got about 9 people out to vote today for the purples. :)

Apparently a senior Ukip source has told media they are 'extremely bullish' about picking up a Scottish MEP seat.


I was under the impression that exit polls were banned.

I was the same, but apparently they're going ahead... it doesn't look good for Wilders though, he's third in exits.


You know you're addicted to the current affairs forum when....

you see it's raining and think dan's probably jumping for joy.

I am, the wait until Sunday will be painful... it's been hard revising for Philosophy exam tomorrow with these European Elections taking place. Ironically I have two exams next week on European politics. :rolleyes: :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

Early days but early results in Sunderland council wards have a very strong Ukip showing of 30% and 33%, with rumours going about that Ukip is very strong in Hull and could pick up seats tonight.

Rumour mill at the moment, but this is really interesting as both cities are strong Labour areas with a core working class vote: if Ukip are making strong inroads in these areas, then Labour ought to start worrying.

[Kardan]

LABOUR 6
CONSERVATIVES 0
UKIP 0

IT'S GOING WELL SO FAR.

And now I'm off to bed because it's my final day at Uni tomorrow, and I've got so much stuff to do :( I'm sure when I wake up it'll be something like:

Labour: 600
UKIP: 601
Conservatives: 300
Lib Dems: 4

:P Have fun if anyone's staying up for the council results :) Might as well congratulate UKIP now for doing so well and lol at the Lib Dems and say I'm not shocked that Nick Clegg has resigned :P

[lemons]

they have 9 now

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this is more exciting than eurovision voting

[Chippiewill]

10!

[MKR&*42]

wait where do I WATCH THIS STUFF IS IT ONLINE HELP

LEMONS
CHIPPIEIWLL
DAN
SOMEONE

[lemons]

10 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

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wait where do I WATCH THIS STUFF IS IT ONLINE HELP

LEMONS
CHIPPIEIWLL
DAN
SOMEONE

just keep reloading this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/vote2014/england-council-election-results

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LABOUR 11 CON 1

[FlyingJesus]

Wow the photos on the site, does no-one in politics own a camera from this century

[Chippiewill]

13 for lab

[MKR&*42]

lab 15 (watchin it on tv)

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lab 17 con 2

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Oh my God please dont go labour swindon for christ sake i cant deal with this

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ps lab 20 con 3 ind 1

[Chippiewill]

ukip one 1

[MKR&*42]

ukip got a seat woo

[MKR&*42]

Update rn;

Lab 37
Con 12
ukip 2
ind 2
lib dem 1

[-:Undertaker:-]

As of 1:45 am....


http://www.ezimba.com/work/140523C/ezimba14131956122300.png

[-:Undertaker:-]

2:30 am.... Not a good night for Labour at all with just a year before a General Election, look at the gains/losses tally. The Labour traditional working class vote is being decimated or at least really eaten into by Ukip.


http://www.ezimba.com/work/140523C/ezimba14131995182900.png

[FlyingJesus]

How do you figure they're losing out if they're up on seats and haven't lost any councils yet, pretty sure it's the blues with the losses so far

[-:Undertaker:-]

How do you figure they're losing out if they're up on seats and haven't lost any councils yet, pretty sure it's the blues with the losses so far

Because as the official opposition, Labour should be gaining seats in huge numbers, especially before a General Election - not losing seats in the likes of Hull and Rotherham to Ukip which they've literally held since the dawn of time. Labour MPs are spinning it on TV saying they expect to win 150 overall, but estimates from the likes of Professor John Curtice say that Labour should at least be gaining around the 400 seats mark when it's all done and dusted.

Of course they could still hit that, the night is young. But the story so far has been working class from Labour>Ukip. I'm actually amazed myself that Ukip are scoring 30%+ and taking seats in these sorts of areas so soon.

[The Don]

Wow, the tories are doing absolutely terrible!

[MKR&*42]

As of 5:35am

Labour 489
Conservative 398
Lib dem 97
UKIP 85
Ind 31
Green party 4
Residents association: 3
Liberal: 1

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm absolutely stunned that here in Hull in the University ward (of all places) that Ukip came a close second.


University (Hull) Result:

LAB - 39.6%
UKIP - 34.5%
LDEM - 12.5%
GRN - 6.8%
CON - 6.6%

I am hearing uncomfirmed rumours that they've scored 40%+ in Liverpool wards which will stun me if that's true. Liverpool, along with Glasgow, are the two strongest Labour areas in the entire country.

[Michael]

UKIP press officer is hilarious:


Alexandra Phillips @Speechwright
Dear Other Parties & Their Media Chums and ESPECIALLY to spiteful left wing organisations...IT DIDN'T WORK YO! Love from UKIP Press Office x


Alexandra Phillips
‏@Speechwright
Off on #UKIP local election ad hoc tour.Theme song:Run This Town [Jay-Z + Rihanna + Kanye West] by JAY Z on #Spotify http://open.spotify.com/track/5M8nEsWqUkwUwCp58ydE4W …

Good news so far for UKIP in the local elections, my home town has lost it's conservative overall - which is great news as the conservatives in my local council all vote for the worst of things, and team up on the councillors that do not agree with their vote.

In other news, the Lib-Dems have lost their ''humanity''


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro3BVe-srr8

[Kardan]

What is the main reason that UKIP is so low down in polls for the general election? Is it because the general election has a higher turnout?

[Chippiewill]

Is it because the general election has a higher turnout?

That's part of the issue, UKIP supporters tend to care more about the EU enough to vote. Whereas most other people are apathetic. The other issue is that a lot of UKIP support is still a protest vote. People aren't willing to risk <other party> getting into power at a general election so they'll only commit to the protest for unimportant elections like EU ones.

[-:Undertaker:-]

What is the main reason that UKIP is so low down in polls for the general election? Is it because the general election has a higher turnout?

Ukip are polling 20% for the General Election with Survation, Opinium and ComRes pollsters.

Not as high as in Locals or the European as Chippiewill said, but still pretty high.

[Oleh]

'mon UKIP!

[wixard]

ive just read that ukip supports irish people working in the uk so they now pose no threat for me thank god

did you guys get a message about taking selfies in the polling booths? we were told we could get arrested!!!!

[Kardan]

My polling booth had a big 'No tablets or mobile phones' poster on the front door.

[FlyingJesus]

https://66witches.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/sitonfence.jpg

and lol still no councils for UKIP even Lib Dems got a couple somehow

[Evanora]

I am hearing uncomfirmed rumours that they've scored 40%+ in Liverpool wards which will stun me if that's true. Liverpool, along with Glasgow, are the two strongest Labour areas in the entire country.

glasgow and liverpool r in the same country?

[The Don]

I thought Ukip were supposed to cause a political earthquake? Their results are painfully similar to last years, hardly anything new.

[-:Undertaker:-]

glasgow and liverpool r in the same country?

Britain.


I thought Ukip were supposed to cause a political earthquake? Their results are painfully similar to last years, hardly anything new.

These are the tremors, wait until Sunday for the earthquake. ;)

Besides, not all have been declared and we're already on more or less what we got in 2013. Ultimately we're not winning seats in bulk or councils yet as we're constrained by FPTP, but we're getting closer and closer.

I'm chuffed with the results, and most of all that we're making huge headway into Labour heartlands.

[FlyingJesus]

So the earthquake is results on something that you yourself claim is pointless and won't make a difference as opposed to the actual councils of the UK

[MKR&*42]

And my town remains a conservative majority yet again Damn :p

It's been interesting watching green party performance Tbh.

[-:Undertaker:-]

So the earthquake is results on something that you yourself claim is pointless and won't make a difference as opposed to the actual councils of the UK

The earthquake is simply breaking the perception that it's always going to be Labour or Conservative, after all if Ukip top the polls this Sunday then it'll be the first time in a hundred years that neither of the main two have topped a national election - and that'll be a huge blow to the established parties even if it is the useless EU 'parliament'.

In the long run of course, council seats are more important as they're our gateway into Westminster. There's not been such an ground-up revolt against the established parties since the rise of the Labour Party in the Edwardian era.

[The Don]

The earthquake is simply breaking the perception that it's always going to be Labour or Conservative

Errr the lib dems already did that....

[-:Undertaker:-]

Errr the lib dems already did that....

Not really. The Liberals have always existed since the rise of the Labour Party in some form or other as a third party force, as the continued Liberals from 1945, as the SDP-Liberal Alliance in the 1980s and as the Liberal Democrats from the 1990s. Especially in I think Devon and Cornwall, they never ever fell to the Labour movement in the 1900s which allowed the Liberals to hang on in those areas.

The yellows have never really been insurgents, they've come and gone over the decades but never disappeared. The rise of Ukip, if it continues, is similar more towards the rise of the Labour Party or Canadian Reform Party.

[Kardan]

Undertaker, how will you react if Labour beat UKIP in the EU polls? I have to ask now, because I don't think I'll be finding out on Sunday.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Undertaker, how will you react if Labour beat UKIP in the EU polls? I have to ask now, because I don't think I'll be finding out on Sunday.

That could well happen, nothing is for certain.

I'll be disappointed of course if we don't top the polls, it would've provided nice momentum for us going into the Newark by-election but at the end of the day aslong as we get a team of MEPs (which will form the 'new' Ukip) then i'll be happy. It's all about trying to break into the House of Commons over the next year which is the ultimate goal.

But whatever the results good or bad, we're not going away. :P

[Chippiewill]

How will you react if the Greens somehow beat UKIP in the EU polls?

[hairpins]

eye dunt vote 4 rasists sorri

[-:Undertaker:-]

How will you react if the Greens somehow beat UKIP in the EU polls?

Rather the Greens than one of the three cartel parties.

There's a lot of "how do the main parties respond to Ukip?" in the papers, and this nailed it...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100272885/the-older-parties-dont-know-how-to-respond-to-ukip-they-could-start-by-sounding-like-human-beings/


Yada yada

Here's some free tips: LibLabCon - take note:

First, get a time machine. Go back to when you were about 15. Tell yourself not to go straight to Oxbridge, not to do PPE, not to work as an MP's researcher straight from uni, not to spend every waking hour climbing the greasy pole, but instead to have a normal life. Get a real job, in the real world. Raise kids. Have a career. Learn something about yourself, and people. Stand on your own two feet, making your own mind up about ideals, issues, politics. Then, one day, think, I'm sick of this crap, I'm going to go to Westminster and sort them out.

That.

Do that, and you will be where every Kipper is today.

Learning how much a pint of milk costs and pretending to like a football team will not do it. You can fake sincerity, but you cannot fake a life.

+100 rep if I could.

[The Don]

Just saw this on the BBC

A Man From Walsall Explains Why He Voted For UKIP


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7lPcJ7uscs

"you have people... coming in taking our jobs... and just working for the minimum wage!"

[FlyingJesus]

Gotta get out of the EEC lol

[The Don]

Gotta get out of the EEC lol

That'll surely stop all those bloody Ukrainians from coming over here and take our jobs!

[-:Undertaker:-]

That'll surely stop all those bloody Ukrainians from coming over here and take our jobs!

And it's this sneering attitude at people like that man who speak like normal people rather than slime-ridden two faced politicians which is why Ukip are picking up seats. The man doesn't speak like a politician because he isn't one, and he gets a few names wrong (we're not all political geeks out there y'know): yet all my friend today for example could do was sneer at him as though he was on the uneducated orders and his genuine concerns didn't count for anything.

There's genuine concerns over mass immigration from working class people, and yet all the London-centric commentariat and observers in the main three cartel parties can do is sneer at them in the most arrogant way.

[The Don]

And it's this sneering attitude at people like that man who speak like normal people rather than slime-ridden two faced politicians which is why Ukip are picking up seats. The man doesn't speak like a politician because he isn't one, and he gets a few names wrong (we're not all political geeks out there y'know): yet all my friend today for example could do was sneer at him as though he was on the uneducated orders and his genuine concerns didn't count for anything.

There's genuine concerns over mass immigration from working class people, and yet all the London-centric commentariat and observers in the main three cartel parties can do is sneer at them in the most arrogant way.

Genuine concerns fuelled by bigotry. I'm entitled to laugh at somebody making a fool of themselves, and if they feel strongly enough about their political views to agree to discuss them on the news then they're fair game for criticism.

[FlyingJesus]

Fear =/= risk

[-:Undertaker:-]

Genuine concerns fuelled by bigotry. I'm entitled to laugh at somebody making a fool of themselves, and if they feel strongly enough about their political views to agree to discuss them on the news then they're fair game for criticism.

And that's why you lot are the gift that just keeps giving.

No connection with normal people out there.


Fear =/= risk

If you find yourself having your wages depressed by migrants and your area changed, as many have, it's real.

[The Don]

And that's why you lot are the gift that just keeps giving.

No connection with normal people out there.

If you think that guy represents the average person then you're sadly mistaken. Perhaps he represents the average Ukip supporter...


If you find yourself having your wages depressed by migrants and your area changed, as many have, it's real.

You're going to find your wages depressed by getting tattoos on your face and head.

[FlyingJesus]

Not sure why being an uneducated Brummy makes someone more "real" or "normal" other than as some special silencing weapon

[-:Undertaker:-]

If you think that guy represents the average person then you're sadly mistaken. Perhaps he represents the average Ukip supporter...

If you don't think he's a normal bloke then that simply goes to show the divide that now exists between the out of touch middle classes who benefit from mass immigration and open borders and the working class.

It's hard for the media & cartel to understand this, but Islingston actually isn't representative of the country.


Not sure why being an uneducated Brummy makes someone more "real" or "normal" other than as some special silencing weapon

You mean like calling average voters like his concerns over open borders bigoted and waycist? ahhh, yeah.

[The Don]

If you don't think he's a normal bloke then that simply goes to show the divide that now exists between the out of touch middle classes who benefit from mass immigration and open borders and the working class.

Middle class? Pretty funny considering I grew up in a council house in a pretty rough part of a big city. As far from middle class as it gets. I guess i'm not 'real' though or i'm 'out of touch' because I don't subscribe to the idea that immigrants are to blame for everything and instead look at facts. That guy's views thankfully aren't representative of the general population which is why Ukip supporters are a minority.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Middle class? Pretty funny considering I grew up in a council house in a pretty rough part of a big city. As far from middle class as it gets. I guess i'm not 'real' though or i'm 'out of touch' because I don't subscribe to the idea that immigrants are to blame for everything and instead look at facts. That guy's views thankfully aren't representative of the general population which is why Ukip supporters are a minority.

No, but you've adopted those sort of ideas. I've seen and I know people like you, you think that because you can speak rather well and are politically savvy that everybody who happens not to take on the dreamworld you choose to believe in (ie, let just everybody in and the working class can sink or swim) then they're bigoted, racists and just generally neanderthals who should be ignored, derided and mocked.

And this goes beyond Ukip, this is attitudes amongst the entire population as a whole towards various political issues and even social issues. I again recommend a read of the illuminating book 'Revolt on the Right' by Matthew Goodwin and Robert Ford if you really want to understand peoples fears and concerns (focused mainly on the working class section of society) rather than simply throwing their concerns and opinions to one side because they don't fit into your utopian world view.

When you throw the borders open, it's people like them who suffer the consquences. Not the insulated London elite.

[FlyingJesus]

You mean like calling average voters like his concerns over open borders bigoted and waycist? ahhh, yeah.

I didn't, I called him uneducated. Whoops, Dan makes stuff up again

[-:Undertaker:-]

I didn't, I called him uneducated. Whoops, Dan makes stuff up again

So his concerns over mass immigration are completely unfounded then as he can't speak like a two faced lying politician and didn't go to university to take a course in media studies? Give me a break.

[FlyingJesus]

So his concerns over mass immigration are completely unfounded then as he can't speak like a two faced lying politician and didn't go to university to take a course in media studies? Give me a break.

No, but do continue to make things up that I haven't said, it makes your argument so much stronger.

Total number of jobs that "belong" to British people: zero
Total number of jobs that can therefore be "taken" by immigrants: zero

[-:Undertaker:-]

No, but do continue to make things up that I haven't said, it makes your argument so much stronger.

Total number of jobs that "belong" to British people: zero
Total number of jobs that can therefore be "taken" by immigrants: zero

So you would throw his concerns to the side and open the borders completely.

Why not just admit it rather than have me go around in circles with you?

[myles]

stop bumping this thread now its getting a bit boring

ot: yes

[The Don]

No, but you've adopted those sort of ideas. I've seen and I know people like you, you think that because you can speak rather well and are politically savvy that everybody who happens not to take on the dreamworld you choose to believe in (ie, let just everybody in and the working class can sink or swim) then they're bigoted, racists and just generally neanderthals who should be ignored, derided and mocked.

And this goes beyond Ukip, this is attitudes amongst the entire population as a whole towards various political issues and even social issues. I again recommend a read of the illuminating book 'Revolt on the Right' by Matthew Goodwin and Robert Ford if you really want to understand peoples fears and concerns (focused mainly on the working class section of society) rather than simply throwing their concerns and opinions to one side because they don't fit into your utopian world view.

When you throw the borders open, it's people like them who suffer the consquences. Not the insulated London elite.

I don’t call a person bigoted/racist for disagreeing with me, that’s what I call uneducated people that oppose immigration based on emotion rather than facts (the prime example being the guy in this video). You, however, do seem to dismiss those that disagree with you, labeling them middleclass/elitist/out of touch or anything else to reinforce this idea you have where you think you’re in the majority and represent the views of the common man. How many Ukrainian’s do you think that guy has actually seen personally? I’d wagered not that many and he’s simply taking out his frustrations on them. He’s quite entitled to his opinion just as I am entitled to criticise it.

[FlyingJesus]

So you would throw his concerns to the side and open the borders completely.

Why not just admit it rather than have me go around in circles with you?

Because that isn't what I said... 3 posts in a row you've just written some fiction and pretended that it's a legitimate argument. Disagreeing with the statement "they come here and take our jobs" is not the same as "I want no restrictions on anything ever". The clue is in how the words are different.

[Chippiewill]

Guido Fawkes has claimed another BBC editor was making anti-UKIP comments. It turns out it was a fairly blatant troll account and the blog post has been deleted with no correction or apology in sight:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Pg5MThpphvsJ:order-order.com/2014/05/23/bbc-today-editor-wishes-every-ukip-voter-would-die/+mimi+tweet+ukip+guido&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=safari

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Ukip blames London election performance on difficulty appealing to the 'well-educated'

While Nigel Farage is busy claiming "the Ukip fox is in the Westminster hen-house", party spokesperson Suzanne Evans has uttered a sound bite Ukip would probably rather forget.

Discussing the party's relatively poor performance in London on Radio 4, Evans seemed to agree with the host that they had difficulty appealing to the "educated, cultural and young."

Elsewhere in the country Ukip had better luck however, taking important seats off the Tories, though at present they are still fifth in the local elections with 102 council seats, lagging behind the independents.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-blames-london-election-performance-on-difficulty-appealing-to-the-educated-and-cultural-9423200.html

[FlyingJesus]

Saw that 2nd article when it was up but decided to fact check, lots of UKIP people were saying that it was an out of context quote and she actually denied the allegation, but further checking on the transcript shows that the UKIP lot saying this were themselves missing out the part that was being reported on :P


SUZANNE EVANS: London is its own person, its own body, its own individual character and it’s very different from the rest of the country. Look at the social demographic. You have lots of the metropolitan elite that I think cannot really understand the heartache and the pain that many people around the country are feeling.

INTERVIEWER: But a proportion of the population you can’t afford to ignore, can you? One of your colleagues in UKIP is saying “We don’t tend to do well in London because it’s cultural, educated and young”.

SUZANNE EVANS: That’s interesting because UKIP is increasingly attracting the cultural, educated and young.

INTERVIEWER: Not in London.

SUZANNE EVANS: I’d certainly put myself into two of those brackets, but maybe not in London, no. There is work to do. We certainly haven’t got our message across in London.

Although this "one of your colleagues" thing is a bit dodgy since it's an unnamed unsourced quote - that said, Dan told us enough times last night what he thinks of educated people that it could well have been his quote

[CrazyLemurs]

I'd just like to mention that in my local area independent candidates won more seats than UKIP. This pleases me x

[wixard]

thought you guys might be interested in knowing we're sending a pot smoking hippy who doesn't own a suit to Europe!! luke Ming Flanagan BLAZE IT

hes an independent that topped our polls

[MKR&*42]

Wondering why the figures are not yet finalised? Just one council in England has yet to declare: Tower Hamlets. Although an independent candidate, Lutfur Rahman, has been elected mayor there, six wards in the council election are to be recounted - but not until 14:00 BST on Sunday.
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Anyway the results for all other 160 for those who dont know;

Labour: 2101 seats
Cons. 1359
Lib dem; 427
UKIP; 163
Indep; 68
Residents association; 53
green; 36
liberal; 2
bnp; 1
Independent Community and Health Concern; 1
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Online petititon was also set up few days back - http://www.libdems4change.org/ - encouraging nick clegg to resign which I wholeheartedly agree with.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Ukip on their highest ever Westminster 2015 polling tonight with Survation.....

Labour 32% (-1)
Conservatives 27% (-2)
Ukip 23% (+4)
Liberal Democrats 9% (-1)


I don’t call a person bigoted/racist for disagreeing with me, that’s what I call uneducated people that oppose immigration based on emotion rather than facts (the prime example being the guy in this video). You, however, do seem to dismiss those that disagree with you, labeling them middleclass/elitist/out of touch or anything else to reinforce this idea you have where you think you’re in the majority and represent the views of the common man. How many Ukrainian’s do you think that guy has actually seen personally? I’d wagered not that many and he’s simply taking out his frustrations on them. He’s quite entitled to his opinion just as I am entitled to criticise it.

Of course, you're entitled to your opinion - i'm just telling you that insulting huge swathes of public opinion isn't going to do your cause any good as we've seen with past jibes thrown at us.

That's why i'm personally delighted everytime Ukip is insulted or slurred. :P


...to reinforce this idea you have where you think you’re in the majority and represent the views of the common man.

I know from polling that I am in touch with public opinion and the common man or at least a huge proportion of the public on issues like the death penalty, the European Union, immigration, foreign aid & stupid wars overseas. I have no problem admitting that I am out of step with public opinion on healthcare and nationalisation.

My issue is that none of these issues have representation in parliament, and that's what will (hopefully) change.


Because that isn't what I said... 3 posts in a row you've just written some fiction and pretended that it's a legitimate argument. Disagreeing with the statement "they come here and take our jobs" is not the same as "I want no restrictions on anything ever". The clue is in how the words are different.

Either you agree with open borders and mass immigration or you don't.

[FlyingJesus]

You're totally right the only options are let everyone in or write down an arbitrary number of folk we'll find acceptable and then call them all criminals

[-:Undertaker:-]

Good news emerging from the French and Dutch counts taking place now, with exit polls projecting the anti-EU Front National and Danish People's Party topping the polls in both countries. Judging by Ukip MEP candidate tweets from just before, counts are now beginning across the UK.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BogEDebCIAAG60i.png:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BogDouCCIAAjYmU.png:large

Apparently Labour sources this early on are saying it's too close to call between Labour and Ukip in WALES - which is good news for the purples.

[lemons]

so far

http://i.imgur.com/kye6g3K.png
ukip not far behind at all

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/vote2014/eu-uk-results

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frick!

http://i.imgur.com/5SI3C1D.png

[GommeInc]

Apparently UKIP and the Tories have a majority and can technically ask to leave the EU, if the results I have been told are anything to go by.

[MKR&*42]

UKIP are smashing this already wow :P

[lemons]

IM GLAD CON ARE BEATING LABOUR SO FAR

[MKR&*42]

Green are beating libs lmfao poor lib dems

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OHHHH I also just had to google how the individual seats are decided and I completely understand now thankfully :P

[RyRy]

How the **** are Labour doing well in the EU elections? I swear the Labour voters thought they were voting in local elections.

And by what was in Labour's EU election video, you'd think they had the same idea as their voters.

Conservatives and UKIP smashing this, rightly so too. Labour have no idea what they're doing in the EU.

[MKR&*42]

Yeah Jordan lab have overtaken con lmfao.

"An independence from Europe" have done quite well for their first time standing tbfh.

[lemons]

what a load of **** i wish ed milliband would just disappear!

[The Don]

what a load of **** i wish ed milliband would just disappear!

Rather Miliband than Cameron!

-:Undertaker:-; I just saw this on reddit, made me laugh, it was titled 'The Rise of Ukip'

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoT0Vw2CAAARYqD.png:large

[MKR&*42]

Good grief PASOK down 29pcnt...
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Con overtaken lab again :P

[RyRy]

Rather Miliband than Cameron!

@-:Undertaker:- (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24233); I just saw this on reddit, made me laugh, it was titled 'The Rise of Ukip'

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoT0Vw2CAAARYqD.png:large

There's a difference between EU and local elections.

That's why I voted UKIP in the EU elections, but I'd likely vote Green in the local elections.

If you did a graph of the amount of MEPs they've got since last year, I doubt you'd be laughing.

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UKIP have done well in the East Midlands region, the bloke announced it all wrong initially lmao. They got SO many votes though.

2 UKIP seats, 1 Labour seats and 2 Conservative seats done!

[MKR&*42]

East midlands (on bbc iplayer) results:

UKIP 2 seats
Con 2 seats
Lab 1 seat

[The Don]

There's a difference between EU and local elections.

That's why I voted UKIP in the EU elections, but I'd likely vote Green in the local elections.

If you did a graph of the amount of MEPs they've got since last year, I doubt you'd be laughing.

I know there's a difference between the EU and Local Elections, people are more inclined to waste their vote during the EU elections as a protest but that's not the case in the locals/generals which is why Ukip is doing way worse at home than in Europe.

[RyRy]

I know there's a difference between the EU and Local Elections, people are more inclined to waste their vote during the EU elections as a protest but that's not the case in the locals/generals which is why Ukip is doing way worse at home than in Europe.

Only a few councils were up for grabs in the local election, I'd be intrigued to see just how well they do nationally next year in the general election.

The EU is country wide and they've done this well. Makes you wonder what will happen when a local election is done country wide as well.

[The Don]

Only a few councils were up for grabs in the local election, I'd be intrigued to see just how well they do nationally next year in the general election.

The EU is country wide and they've done this well. Makes you wonder what will happen when a local election is done country wide as well.

Of course, aren't only 1/3 up each year for the locals?

Will be interesting to see how well they do at the general, I can't see anything other than a labour win though unless something drastic happens within the next 12 months.

[MKR&*42]

Yorkshire and the Humber seats:

UKIP 3 seats
Labour 2 seats
Cons 1 seats
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[The Don]

Labour and Conservative are tied with 6 each now, Ukip at 9

[RyRy]

Of course, aren't only 1/3 up each year for the locals?

Will be interesting to see how well they do at the general, I can't see anything other than a labour win though unless something drastic happens within the next 12 months.

I honestly don't know myself, I assumed they were all done around the same time during the general election haha.

I predict a hung government & I can see UKIP going with Labour to spite Conservatives. I've heard bugger all about Labour badmouthing UKIP and I think that might be why.

[The Don]

I honestly don't know myself, I assumed they were all done around the same time during the general election haha.

I predict a hung government & I can see UKIP going with Labour to spite Conservatives. I've heard bugger all about Labour badmouthing UKIP and I think that might be why.

Aren't the conservatives offering a referendum on the EU? I haven't heard anything about labour offering one so I would've thought if that were the case UKIP would go with the conservatives.

With the locals, the councillors sit for 4 years, so every year 1/3 of them are up for grabs, one year there wont be any elections, this is so the new councillors can learn off the older ones, whereas if they all went up at once then if different councillors were elected nobody would know what they were doing.

[MKR&*42]

Oh finally yesss i've waited for the South West ones for over an hour now and I bloody hope the lib dem lose their seat:

UKIP 2 seats
Cons 2 seats
Lab 1 seat
Green 1 seat

[The Don]

Oh finally yesss i've waited for the South West ones for over an hour now and I bloody hope the lib dem lose their seat:

UKIP 2 seat
Cons 2 seat
Lab 1 seat
Green 1 seat

Thought green would get a seat here :P Everybody I know seems to have voted for them haha.

[lemons]

pmsl the BNP guy on sky news just said they would set up food banks and wouldnt give up stuff to black/asians LOL

[RyRy]

Aren't the conservatives offering a referendum on the EU? I haven't heard anything about labour offering one so I would've thought if that were the case UKIP would go with the conservatives.

With the locals, the councillors sit for 4 years, so every year 1/3 of them are up for grabs, one year there wont be any elections, this is so the new councillors can learn off the older ones, whereas if they all went up at once then if different councillors were elected nobody would know what they were doing.

They have yeah, but they had Grant Shapps on BBC just earlier talking about that and it seems a bit... iffy. They're asking whether he'd vote to get out and it's more "nah we'll try get a deal first"... It's that "but" that people don't like.

Alright I'm a derp yeah I thought it was all at once ;_;

South West is a shock for Lib Dems to lose their seat though, Lib Dems have been so strong down here for so long. That's a massive loss.

[Inseriousity.]

I am way too gleeful watching lib dems lose their seats. will clegg look back on 2010 as the day he doomed the party?

[MKR&*42]

Thought green would get a seat here :P Everybody I know seems to have voted for them haha.

Yeah I seem to have known a lot of people who are supporting the greens as well :P
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Wales vote now being announced.

[RyRy]

Greens will do well if the media get behind them, that's why UKIP have done so well.

[MKR&*42]

Wales:

(Lib dems got less votes than green there also)

Lab 1 seat
UKIP 1 seat
Con 1 seat
Plaid.. whattever 1 seat

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I think online results are beating the live TV what idk im too tired

[Inseriousity.]

lol i'd vote for the greens cos I agree with most of what they say.. except their environmental position. awkward :(

[Chippiewill]

Rather Miliband than Cameron!

-:Undertaker:-; I just saw this on reddit, made me laugh, it was titled 'The Rise of Ukip'

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoT0Vw2CAAARYqD.png:large

Green's had a surge too:
http://i.imgur.com/ZqYJ91G.png

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Griffin 'loses seat'

BNP leader Nick Griffin says he has lost his seat in the European Parliament, blaming the rise of UKIP as the protest party of choice. But he says Nigel Farage's party is not anti-immigration, adding it is "anti-working class and going nowhere".

LOL

[MKR&*42]

North west - 8 seats - results;

UKIP are gettin booed here

Lab - three
con - 2
ukip - three

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rip to the bnp

[Michael]

An Independence from Europe seem to be getting a fair bit of votes for a party I've never heard of in the media

[MKR&*42]

West midlands:

UKIP 3
Labour 2
Cons 2

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Yeah Michael the party was only set up last year, they're like UKIP but more left-wing in certain aspects. They got my vote this year :P They have done stunningly well even if they don't have any MEPs.

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South-East England:

NIGEL FARAGE GOT HIS SEAT no surprises

UKIP 4 seats
Cons 3 seats
Lab 1 seat
Green 1 seat
lib dem 1 seat (THEIR ONLY SEAT SO FAR..)

[Michael]

The first Lib-Dem MEP!

[MKR&*42]

I am half proud she got it but half gutted cause I really wanted lib dems completely eliminated. If it was 7,000 votes less then they wouldn't have got their seat :P

[The Don]

Intersocial; who did you vote for at the locals? If you didn't vote for whatever reason who would you have voted for?

[MKR&*42]

@Intersocial (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=86637); who did you vote for at the locals? If you didn't vote for whatever reason who would you have voted for?

Couldn't vote in locals, I live in the borough of a town and I couldn't actually vote for a town councillor I was very confused - to register to vote I had to go to my county council as opposed to the town council if that explains anything.
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I think I would have been stuck if it was local - the closest answer I can give you is what mike said earlier essentially; I support the green party in a lot of their policies except for their environmental one. However ultimately I am still fairly uncertain. If you'd asked me a few months ago I would have said UKIP, but currently I feel they are too right wing for what I believe :P

I'm so sorry for such a slow reply I had to think about that. I can only guarantee that the one party I won't vote for is Labour.

It's strange as most political spectrum tests put me near 'centre-right' and I don't believe the Green party are anywhere near that.

[MKR&*42]

I did the whodoiside with test... well, I'll be damned;

http://uk.isidewith.com/results-image/538589855.jpg

[Mark]

UKIP gaining a seat in Scotland is fantastic news, thankfully SNP didn't get the extra seat.

[Kardan]

Whilst I'm sure UKIP aren't too bothered (since they came out on top) - haven't both UKIP and Labour done a lot worse than the polls suggested? I remember seeing percentages of above 30% for both of them, but they're not too far from the percentage that the Conservatives managed.

[Chippiewill]

Most of those polls came from a small selection of polling companies. When you look at the full picture of polls then the recent results are around expectations.

[Kardan]

Most of those polls came from a small selection of polling companies. When you look at the full picture of polls then the recent results are around expectations.

Ah, most of the polls Undertaker posted must be from that small selection then :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

I was very happy with the results last night, topping nearly all of the English regions (apart from the North West and some other places where we came very close) as well as nearly topping the Labour stronghold of Wales and as Mark has said, dealing a blow to Alex Salmond by gaining our first Scotland MEP. A seat in Northern Ireland was unrealistic, but at least we picked up some councillors there on Thurday meaning Ukip now has representation across the United Kingdom.

All eyes now turn to the Newark by-election and the General Election in 2015.


Ah, most of the polls Undertaker posted must be from that small selection then :P

I posted all of the polls throughout the campaign, all of which are listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_%28United_Kingd om%29#2014 - the reason why the polls dropped from the 30%+ mark is that elections usually narrow towards the last few days anyway (which is reflected in the YouGov, Survation, Comres polling) and that is exactly what happened. There's also other small caveats, such as 'An Independence from Europe' creaming 1% or 2% off the Ukip total but pretty accurate non the less. The only real change in the outcome was that Labour performed poorer than expected and the Tories did better than expected.