Posting trial results

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iv always thought it's a bit mean to post who failed lol is there a reason for posting those who fail?
i think u should just put who passed n leave it at that

what does everyone else think?

[Chippiewill]

It's so people know that they're definitely no longer Habbox staff.

[scottish]

Yeah it's always been like that, same as people who get fired are announced not just secretly let go

[buttons]

just seems a bit harsh thts all lol fair enough for ppl who get fired but if people fail because they're incompetent i feel bad for them that everyone has to find out :(

[Kyle]

If it's for lack of actual ability then I agree that it might come across as harsh but in this particular instance LoganD resigned before his trial ended and therefore failed. I would hope that staff that actually fail because of something other than not meeting minimums would receive a pm or something outlining what they did good/bad.

[buttons]

If it's for lack of actual ability then I agree that it might come across as harsh but in this particular instance LoganD resigned before his trial ended and therefore failed. I would hope that staff that actually fail because of something other than not meeting minimums would receive a pm or something outlining what they did good/bad.
maybe they could have put 'has quit his trial' because it's not like he failed for his performance.

[Inseriousity.]

Generally speaking, managers don't fail people because they're incompetent. Not that they couldn't if they wanted to but most of the time, managers take the view that if someone is active enough they can be trained. So the main reason people fail trials is that they weren't active enough and if they're not active enough then you shouldn't feel too bad for them because they're probably not even around.

[buttons]

ok well when i see the announcements i don't know that and just assume they're plum and little 14 yr olds crying over failing a trial. i would be :'(

anyway ya the issue isn't the reason they're fired, i just don't see a reason to post it as it's a bit negative

[Inseriousity.]

well now you can feel much better that they're little 14 year olds going out having a life :P

[Chippiewill]

So the main reason people fail trials is that they weren't active enough and if they're not active enough then you shouldn't feel too bad for them because they're probably not even around.

Absolutely this. When I was content manager every dismissal was due to lack of activity iirc.

[buttons]

well now you can feel much better that they're little 14 year olds going out having a life :P
no!

like at at uni when we get results for second year there was a notice for those who had successfully passed to 3rd year. there isn't a notice for those who have failed, you see what i mean? it doesn't seem really nice.

[Inseriousity.]

well there is because anyone with a brain would be able to work out who isn't on the list ;)
did you not get to 3rd year jen and now you're fighting this humiliation wherever you see it awwwwww you'll pass next time dw -pats head-

only joking but yeah there does need to be a record although if logan resigned, usually that is made clear.

[Kyle]

why haven't any of the rare values staff that haven't done anything been dismissed then

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well there is because anyone with a brain would be able to work out who isn't on the list ;)
did you not get to 3rd year jen and now you're fighting this humiliation wherever you see it awwwwww you'll pass next time dw -pats head-

only joking but yeah there does need to be a record although if logan resigned, usually that is made clear.
exactly, isn't it better people go work out who it is rather than clearly state 'all these people have passed except this one or two' idk to me if i was staff id feel awkward if everyone passed and i failed then it was shown to everyone lol as i would in a real life educational or work situation
but ok if having to post they failed is soooo important then we will keep everything as it is

[Inseriousity.]

but you wouldn't feel awkward cos if you failed chances are you wouldn't be around anyway!

[Drew]

Yeah, I absolutely hate failing or firing people. If I do, it's because of their lack of activity and not because they aren't good enough. Worst part is kicking people out of staff chats though :'(

[iLogan]

perhaps it should be worded a bit more sensitively - just like how we don't say "x has been fired. thanks for your time" perhaps it can be "x is no longer a trialist at HxHD - thanks for your short time with us!" or something like that - rather than "x has failed their trial"

[despect]

perhaps it should be worded a bit more sensitively - just like how we don't say "x has been fired. thanks for your time" perhaps it can be "x is no longer a trialist at HxHD - thanks for your short time with us!" or something like that - rather than "x has failed their trial"

I always thought we had to put "x is no longer staff, we'd like to thank them for their time" Because just saying "x has failed" seems a bit mean they may not be active enough but you should at least thank for their time :P

[iLogan]

I always thought we had to put "x is no longer staff, we'd like to thank them for their time" Because just saying "x has failed" seems a bit mean they may not be active enough but you should at least thank for their time :P

yeah that's what i mean like shouldn't they be saying "is no longer staff" rather than "failed their trial"? then again, unless its been changed since i was hxl manager, there was no official guide or style to posting staff updates

[despect]

yeah that's what i mean like shouldn't they be saying "is no longer staff" rather than "failed their trial"? then again, unless its been changed since i was hxl manager, there was no official guide or style to posting staff updates

Nooo I just resigned from Manager like 3 weeks ago and I don't think its changed since I resigned so :P

[Inseriousity.]

It's still manager discretion but usually 'thanks for your time' is added. I always found that funny really especially those people that resigned straight after joining, 'thanks for wasting my time' would be more accurate :P Zebbadi's a new manager though so that probably explains that omission.

[despect]

It's still manager discretion but usually 'thanks for your time' is added. I always found that funny really especially those people that resigned straight after joining, 'thanks for wasting my time' would be more accurate :P Zebbadi's a new manager though so that probably explains that omission.

haha I used to say "thanks for your short stay in the department" :P

[Chippiewill]

I always wanted to say good riddance.

[Mr-Trainor]

why haven't any of the rare values staff that haven't done anything been dismissed then
I heard there was going to be a clear out of inactive staff last month (in rare values) but idk what happened to that.

In my experience, it's the same as what people have already said; 'failing' trialists failed due to lack of activity more than anything else, and often as a result of just vanishing from existence. If someone had potential then I'd usually extend their trial another week or two and allow them more time to get used to the role and build upon their performance so far :).

[Chris]

It's up to the manager posting the announcement how they word it, but to make it slightly nicer they should use the style that Logan mentioned.

[Rachel]

They apply to work and they know that they have a requirement to meet to pass their trial if not then they are being announced. Well seeing who failed is not as bad because they can re-apply again but being fired is a different story as it is more embarrassing.

[The Don]

When I resigned from my trial as hxhd years ago i'm sure they announced it as I had quit, rather than the vague 'is no longer with us'.

[RealClifford]

From my experience at Habbox, normally it is worded in a way that thanks them for their time.
I know at least in the HabboxLive dept most trial failures are due to inactivity, whether that be lack of slots filled, lack of forum activity, etc etc.

Normally Trialists are notified personally as well. At least when I did my first trial (Mind you this was back with ,Jess,) I received a PM stating why I hadn't passed and things I could work on if I would like to try again in the future)

I feel like that is the best way to do it. Even if they are inactive, the extra 2 minutes of effort to personalize it and to state why to the person is good thing to do for both management and the departed staff member.. If they come back and they see that, they see you genuinely wanted them to succeed and it may help for future trials they undergo.

But at the end of the day it's at the Managers discretion. They should know the staff member better than most and understand their situation, whether they tried or not etc and thus should be sensitive to that fact. As long as they are maintaining an aspect of professionalism when thanking trialist staff I think it is sufficient.

[Sian]

As long as management don't start spouting on about why they are/aren't staff, it doesn't particularly bother me. And from a mod point we need to know who is gone from departments and can only really do that from announcements

[Matt]

I've never really thought about it tbh. I think for references and stuff it's good to see who passed and who failed so it's clear who is and who isn't staff.

[RealClifford]

If you want it for a reference/mod point of view, it's probably better to do that privately.
But that's just my thought, and I know I normally think differently to most.

[buttons]

As long as management don't start spouting on about why they are/aren't staff, it doesn't particularly bother me. And from a mod point we need to know who is gone from departments and can only really do that from announcements
or by looking at their permissions and user title wtf

[Phil]

or by looking at their permissions and user title wtf

On a rare occasion they may have been fried/have resigned and their perms are taken away but their usertitle is still there. So sometimes you would get someone showing as a Gold Member but still having "Events Organiser" in their usertitle. The Mod has to find out if their usergroup is just wrong or if it's their usertitle and Habbox Announcements is the best way to find out.

Soz if that makes zero sense lmao

[Brad]

I think that it's fine that we post both success and fails. I think a posted failure shouldn't be a discouragement but a motivation for others to encourage those who either resign or fail.

[RealClifford]

On a rare occasion they may have been fried/have resigned and their perms are taken away but their usertitle is still there. So sometimes you would get someone showing as a Gold Member but still having "Events Organiser" in their usertitle. The Mod has to find out if their usergroup is just wrong or if it's their usertitle and Habbox Announcements is the best way to find out.

Soz if that makes zero sense lmao
Makes sense, but I think in that scenario asking management or asking in the Staff Forum should suffice.

I think posting negative comments about departed staff in a public area just seems unprofessional.
Maybe if it was kept to the Staff Forum instead to at least keep it from public eyes? Still aids the mods, but also benefits the image of Habbox.

Just a thought.

[e5]

I can see th embarrassment but better to know who is staff and not from the announcement

[Mr-Trainor]

On a rare occasion they may have been fried/have resigned and their perms are taken away but their usertitle is still there. So sometimes you would get someone showing as a Gold Member but still having "Events Organiser" in their usertitle. The Mod has to find out if their usergroup is just wrong or if it's their usertitle and Habbox Announcements is the best way to find out.

Soz if that makes zero sense lmao
I think the easiest way for that is to just look at the staff list/usergroups post and see if they're still actually in that specific staff usergroup :P. That's what I did/do anyway.