Negative comments in Congrats/Thank You forum

[Kardan]

Just wondered what people's opinions are about negative comments in the Congrats/Thank You forum.

Personally I think they can be classed as off topic (You're not congratulating or saying thank you) and it's essentially targeting an individual user.

Examples:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=804685&p=8208277#post8208277
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=804685&p=8208135#post8208135
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=804685&p=8208179#post8208179

[Sho]

I completely agree. I've always wondered how people get away with doing it :P.

[scottish]

Should be able to say what you want.

By the same logic you should be able to report the post and get it moved to spam, as the 'thank you' is pointless as she done nothing :P

[Sharon]

yeah i think you should be able to say what u want and not only be allowed to post if u want to say thanks lol

[Inseriousity.]

Yeah personally I always saw the 'you must always be nice' rule in that forum was just something management used to avoid criticism. Don't see the point of making a feedback thread if there's a thread already there it fits nicely.

[Phil]

Tbh call it pointless if you want but I think all three of those responses are rude and I'm embarrassed that staff have made them

[buttons]

yeah it's v. unprofessional for staff to say it, if u don't want to thank them for their work then don't post... it's not a 'discuss your opinion on said member' it's a thank you thread. unless they're a truly awful person tho.

[sex]

fire them all

[!x!dude!x!2]

Tbh call it pointless if you want but I think all three of those responses are rude and I'm embarrassed that staff have made them

Should count as a pointless post tho?

[IzzyUhh]

Ive noticed it too and sometimes I feel they only post it to cause trouble which is bad and obviously with staff its a little worst because they're meant to be representing the department.

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[Lewis]

I don't think it's pointless, but nevertheless, it shouldn't be done!

[Hannah]

Well, that's some nice staff you have here. ;)

To be fair, there is a belief that people should be able to say what they want - but certain people represent things which shouldn't be portrayed in ways which come across as rude and ungrateful.

I wouldn't say it is off-topic, but as said above it certainly isn't needed.

[Rachel]

It is a shame many staff was acting like this but was pretty obvious just by making the thread. Yeah she left here for TH but what can you do...nothing it is her choice at the end really not ours.

[Hannah]

It is a shame many staff was acting like this but was pretty obvious just by making the thread. Yeah she left here for TH but what can you do...nothing it is her choice at the end really not ours.

The best part is, people leave jobs in reality for other companies all the time and they don't have to face rudeness.
But this is the internet, and apparently everyone has to be loyal to HxF forever. ;)

[Jazz]

people leave jobs in reality for other companies all the time and they don't have to face rudeness.

when people leave real life companies and take company information to a rival company to use for their own gain, they would have similar (but more heightened) reactions to some people on this forum

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Some situations, including this one I think that negative responses are completely valid. I mean what are we thanking her for exactly? She came back for 4 days and DJed once. She then quit and went straight back to thishabbo with her old position and all of our server details and staff forum discussions, information etc. I personally wouldn't be thankful for that, and I wouldn't care about expressing it.

Obviously other situations, people go over the top and borderline the targeting members rule but I think people should be able to give their opinion on someone (obviously in reason).

[despect]

when people leave real life companies and take company information to a rival company to use for their own gain, they would have similar (but more heightened) reactions to some people on this forum

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Some situations, including this one I think that negative responses are completely valid. I mean what are we thanking her for exactly? She came back for 4 days and DJed once. She then quit and went straight back to thishabbo with her old position and all of our server details and staff forum discussions, information etc. I personally wouldn't be thankful for that, and I wouldn't care about expressing it.

Obviously other situations, people go over the top and borderline the targeting members rule but I think people should be able to give their opinion on someone (obviously in reason).

It was actually a day with one show :P.

I agree tbh, why should we thank someone who clearly came back to get information then goes back to feed the information back. It's clear what her plan was.

[buttons]

when people leave real life companies and take company information to a rival company to use for their own gain, they would have similar (but more heightened) reactions to some people on this forum

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Some situations, including this one I think that negative responses are completely valid. I mean what are we thanking her for exactly? She came back for 4 days and DJed once. She then quit and went straight back to thishabbo with her old position and all of our server details and staff forum discussions, information etc. I personally wouldn't be thankful for that, and I wouldn't care about expressing it.

Obviously other situations, people go over the top and borderline the targeting members rule but I think people should be able to give their opinion on someone (obviously in reason).


It was actually a day with one show :P.

I agree tbh, why should we thank someone who clearly came back to get information then goes back to feed the information back. It's clear what her plan was.
so what, it makes the staff here look unprofessional and immature by responding in the way those people did. simply don't post and ***** about it in your Skype convos instead

[Jazz]

so what, it makes the staff here look unprofessional and immature by responding in the way those people did. simply don't post and ***** about it in your Skype convos instead

what kind of professionalism is required on a habbo fansite? this isn't a dig i'm just curious

edit: i think being a jackass to someone on skype even being their back is more unprofessional than posting "im glad shes gone" on a thread

edit: sounded a bit more abrupt than i wanted it too, sorry. :¬:

[FlyingJesus]

FREEDOM. OF. SPEECH. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOWWa6Ue5oc)

[MKR&*42]

much ado about nothing

[Hannah]

when people leave real life companies and take company information to a rival company to use for their own gain, they would have similar (but more heightened) reactions to some people on this forum

If you're looking at it that way with the rivalry, then it very rarely happens in comparison to a teenager-based fan site - and in the case that their information is leaked, it would occur more so within a company that handles sensitive data, in that case I'm sure legal action can be taken (or it should have been more protected in the first place).

Also, what information exactly has this person supposedly leaked? I mean, it's a fansite? It can't be much different from any of the others lol. Not like she had access to half of the stuff which could affect anything to do with the running of the site - it's a fansite for crying out loud, not a law or finance firm haha. What information could possibly bring out such rudeness from staff members? :rolleyes:

[Rachel]

Put her on the DNHL at Habbox just incase I would say.

Also you can't expect positive comments when she was here only to share the information..

[Jazz]

If you're looking at it that way with the rivalry, then it very rarely happens in comparison to a teenager-based fan site - and in the case that their information is leaked, it would occur more so within a company that handles sensitive data, in that case I'm sure legal action can be taken (or it should have been more protected in the first place).

Also, what information exactly has this person supposedly leaked? I mean, it's a fansite? It can't be much different from any of the others lol. Not like she had access to half of the stuff which could affect anything to do with the running of the site - it's a fansite for crying out loud, not a law or finance firm haha. What information could possibly bring out such rudeness from staff members? :rolleyes:

you brought real life up as an example, i was exaggerating it to make a point :¬:

she had access to:
habboxlive panel
server details (they got changed like an hour ago, finally)
event information, unique planned events, weekly shows etc
skypes of all djs at hxl

so, someone could easily have a nice play around on the panel, or on air. planned events could go straight to another fansite, and th probably have all our djs skype usernames. you'd be surprised how different fansites are

[Hannah]

you brought real life up as an example, i was exaggerating it to make a point :¬:

she had access to:
habboxlive panel
server details (they got changed like an hour ago, finally)
event information, unique planned events, weekly shows etc
skypes of all djs at hxl

so, someone could easily have a nice play around on the panel, or on air. planned events could go straight to another fansite, and th probably have all our djs skype usernames. you'd be surprised how different fansites are

To be fair, panel/server details should have been changed a lot sooner lol
If it were to come to it, events would be more trusted by Habbox than th lol. Habbox is far more reputable.
As for the Skypes, I doubt they know anyone with anywhere near enough knowledge in that area to do anything serious with a Skype username - they can attempt to staff steal, and in that case if any of the DJs are willing to go then that's their loss. xD

[FlyingJesus]

*REMOVED*

Edited by Calum0812 (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not be rude to other users, thanks!

[Jazz]

To be fair, panel/server details should have been changed a lot sooner lol
If it were to come to it, events would be more trusted by Habbox than th lol. Habbox is far more reputable.
As for the Skypes, I doubt they know anyone with anywhere near enough knowledge in that area to do anything serious with a Skype username - they can attempt to staff steal, and in that case if any of the DJs are willing to go then that's their loss. xD

its still an event habbox has come up with and now th has :P
th like to harass and beg, regardless of how much damage it causes it shouldn't happen in the first place

[Kardan]

Not entirely sure how Yuxin; manages 60 drama queens.

[Hannah]

its still an event habbox has come up with and now th has :P
th like to harass and beg, regardless of how much damage it causes it shouldn't happen in the first place

TH are awful though - no one likes them and they just appear to be getting more desperate than previous.
Obviously it shouldn't happen, but at the end of the day, they're teenagers. ;)

[Brad]

Not entirely sure how Yuxin; manages 60 drama queens.

I think you're grouping all DJs when there really is only a handful that are drama queens.

but to be on topic:

I think it's disrespectful, because really- what if that person comes back and reads what people had said about them... then what would they say? Would they really want to come back?

Even if they did something that was wrong, and against the habbox way... still not how we should be treating people...

[Inseriousity.]

If TH does the event before Habbox does then that'd say more about how slow Habbox is at getting these things up and running. And if they're doing it after then who cares, it just looks totally obvious that they've copied.

I don't believe staff need to be professional but all members, staff or otherwise, should be decent human beings. However, I believe that it should just be about moderating those comments as rude rather than not allowing negative comments in these threads

[Kardan]

Can we change the forum name to 'Congrats/Thank Yous and ****** remarks' then, so they aren't off topic posts.

[MKR&*42]

Change it to "Staff Changes, congratulations and thank yous" and that will legit solve every supposed off topic issue jesus.

[Kardan]

And then keep on ignoring rule A1.

A1. Respect other forum members ~ Always respect other forum members, this means do not be rude towards them and respect their opinions. You should not bully or victimise other members for any reason and you should not behave in a negative manner excessively or attempt to cause arguments.

[MKR&*42]

rule a1 went out the window when dragga was allowed to make threads

[Inseriousity.]

They're not off topic though. Threads can be responded to about the general theme of the subject and it would be a silly forum that strictly straitjacketed users to respond a certain way.

[FlyingJesus]

If a person is banned are we allowed to say what we want about them since they're not a forum member any more

[Kardan]

They're not off topic though. Threads can be responded to about the general theme of the subject and it would be a silly forum that strictly straitjacketed users to respond a certain way.

Is the theme not 'Congrats Jade' not 'Jade has left Habbox for TH again' :P

[Sharon]

they're not off topic because they are still bout the same subject lol...they should be allowed but obv if it's staff members being ********* them obv take suitable action

edit general comment not at jade (whoever that is...)

[Inseriousity.]

No because the general theme of the thread in this case is jade's firing so I don't think it's off topic to discuss it. Use A1 rule by any means but restricting the thread to just congrats is applying a straitjacket to threads that is unnecessary and pedantic. For instance:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=8207726#post8207726

By your definition, this post is off topic but I would argue that the general theme of the thread is about kelly and kyle's hiring and that it's okay to therefore talk more than just 'congrats' and I believe other threads in the forum have had valuable contributions to debates about, for instance, the DNHL (martin's firing) that it would be a bad move to be so restrictive.

[Kardan]

I don't know, we're saying congrats to Kelly/Kyle because they got hired, so it makes sense to talk about their hiring.

But for Jade, the thread is saying thanks for her time at Habbox - and nobody seems to be doing that :P But yeah, my point really is rule A1.

[Inseriousity.]

It makes sense to talk about someone's firing as well though. If it's implementing rule A1 then I don't have an issue about that really but this:


Personally I think they can be classed as off topic (You're not congratulating or saying thank you)

implied to me to be really strict about how topics should be responded to, which I disagree with (I've just looked at martin's firing thread because I brought it up and your first post in that thread would've fell victim to such a strict interpretation of the off-topic rule).

[Richie]

I'd have no problem replying to a 'troll' that's leaving the forum in that manor. Then again, promoting a negative atmosphere isn't exactly what the forum needs. I'm just contradicting myself here. Just be mean to the people that I judge, that's the best way moderators can analyze each response.

[Rachel]

You will always see negative comments in any type of forum/topic. Sometimes negative comments counts as "constructive" to improve which that should be okay of course as long as it doesn't involve any rudeness towards to person itself. Though negative comments in a congratulation/thank you section is not constructive at all.

[Absently]

tbf i get that it shows staff in a bad light, but what she did was pretty crappy and petty so rly it was a bit pathetic on her half and half justified!!

[Yawn]

despicable posts! staff need to hold their tongue

[MissAlice]

The thread in question was created with the best intention, although only being staff for 4 days didn’t really warrant a thank you, the OP may have not known the circumstances at the time it was created, some 6 minutes after the announcement.

It is only upon reading the thread that senior management reveal why the member is no longer staff, and that is what changes the tone of the thread. I do believe in freedom of speech, but there are more appropriate ways of saying what needs to be said. I personally don’t think its right in a thank you thread. Vent your disappointment elsewhere, make a new thread to discuss it.

Perhaps senior management should consider changing the wording in their announcements, in circumstances like this one. Foregetfuhl (DJ Jade) is no longer HabboxLive Staff, as she has chosen to work for a competitor. We'd like to thank her for the short time she was staff.

Simple but also truthful.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Oh lord, not another thread in Feedback suggesting yet MORE rules.

Here's a revolutionary idea: let people say what they want and if you disagree then either ignore it or post back with something even more negative.

[Drunq]

oh im picked out woo yes oh i can say that again. i didn't see a prob with mine but yeah some were really bad

[Kardan]

Oh lord, not another thread in Feedback suggesting yet MORE rules.

Here's a revolutionary idea: let people say what they want and if you disagree then either ignore it or post back with something even more negative.

Not really suggesting more rules - just that the current rules actually be followed (A1).

Also, we're not really allowed to 'post back with something even more negative', which I take to mean posting something negative to the people that are posting negatively, because I imagine I would get caught under the 'Leave the moderating to the moderators' if I post something like 'Can we leave the negative targeting comments out the thread guys?' - which is funny if I get caught by that rule, because the moderators aren't moderating :P

[GommeInc]

Not exactly in keeping with congratulations and thank yours but you can't expect everyone to be liked and filtering messages through some authoritarian system that doesn't allow people to voice their opinions is far worse than these sorts of posts in a thread.

[Kardan]

GommeInc; -:Undertaker:-; - if the filtering of messages is a bad thing, and freedom of speech is good - surely we should get rid of rule A1 from the whole forum then?

[Aiden]

They're just posting their opinion on the thread. It sparks discussion, does it not?

[GommeInc]

GommeInc; -:Undertaker:-; - if the filtering of messages is a bad thing, and freedom of speech is good - surely we should get rid of rule A1 from the whole forum then?
No:


A1. Respect other forum members ~ Always respect other forum members, this means do not be rude towards them and respect their opinions. You should not bully or victimise other members for any reason and you should not behave in a negative manner excessively or attempt to cause arguments.

If a member of staff was disliked and someone says "finally" or "won't be missed" that is their opinion therefore it is not disrespectful (seeing as the rule specifically says "this means...") It's not rude for obvious reasons. Besides, they've left - why would they care? It's not excessive (as per the rule) nor there to cause an argument. It's a just opinion, and going by your examples they have an honest opinion that simply does not violate the rule - unless it is excessive or rude, and they just don't seem rude :/


They're just posting their opinion on the thread. It sparks discussion, does it not?
Precisely. Going by the threads some members have commented on the opinions of others so all is right with the world. Some people just want rules changed or rules created for no reason other than to hinder the mod team, it seems :/

[FlyingJesus]

If a person is banned are we allowed to say what we want about them since they're not a forum member any more

I posted this half jokingly but 4real once someone's gone then surely any comments about them are only as bad as when someone says "Tony Blair's an arse" or "Gerrard is a massive disappointment to England". When we have people like Evanora wishing cancer on people and Chippiewill making rape jokes I don't think people being glad that a destructive member has gone is something we need to worry about too much

[RealClifford]

If people wish to be negative in those threads, so be it.
But if Staff wish to be negative in those threads, be careful what you say.
I would expect it to be brought up by management if Staff are voicing their disappointment in former staff or something similar. There are Staff Forums for that. Keep it there. The public Habbox Community doesn't need to see the childish behaviour of the Staff group. Just makes Management, Staff and the site look immature, unprofessional and extremely childish from my point of view.

It's unprofessional, it's disrespectful and it just shouldn't be tolerable for staff to be that way publicly against ANYONE. It reflects poorly on Habbox as a site and it reflects poorly on Habbox as a community.

But that's my opinion.

[Sian]

I don't think it's necessary, but as long as it's not outright bullying we need to let people have their opinions. Though the forum is called congratulations and thankyou...