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-:Undertaker:-
25-06-2014, 10:18 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10926571/Ban-all-drinks-but-water-from-dinner-table-parents-told.html

Ban all drinks but water from dinner table, parents told

Britain's war on obesity must start by consigning sugary drinks to special occasions, the government's chief obesity adviser has said


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Parents should only serve water to their children during meals


Parents should only serve water with meals and ban fizzy drinks and juices from the dining table in order to reduce their children’s intake of sugar, the government’s chief obesity adviser has said.

The recommendation came ahead of new scientific advice being published about how much sugar people should consume and proposed measures to reduce public levels of consumption.

Prof Susan Jebb, chairman of the government’s responsibility deal with the food and drinks industry, also said doctors needed to be less reticent about telling overweight people to diet.

Professor Jebb said families should introduce strict rules about such drinks, limiting juice intake to one small glass a day with breakfast.

"Drink water, that’s the very simple advice to parents," she said. "Encourage your children to stick with water. Low-fat milk is fine but water should be the mainstay," she added.

Prof Jebb said sugary drinks had a particularly significant impact on obesity because children and adults tended to consume them in addition to their calorie intake from food, not in place of solid foods.

"The biggest source of sugar across all age groups is sugar-sweetened beverages and those are an obvious target for action," she added.

The professor of diet and population health at Oxford University made the comments amid rising concern that sugar has become one of the greatest threats to health, fuelling an obesity time bomb and contributing to spiralling levels of diabetes.

Her remarks were backed by Prof Tom Sanders, Head of Diabetes and Nutritional Sciences Division, at King’s College London who said families needed to return to the days of having a jug of water on the table at all meal times.

He said: "The problem is a lot of people don’t drink water any more. At the dinner table keep it simple; just have water on the table - not pop, not juice, not squash."

He said parents should stop buying soft drinks and squash cordials, and instead see them as an occasional treat.

Last month a national study found that children and teenagers are consuming around 40 per cent more added sugar than the recommended daily allowance – with fruit juices and fizzy drinks the chief culprit.

Two thirds of adults in Britain are overweight or obese, and British girls below the age of 20 are now the most overweight in Western Europe.

In an interview, Prof Jebb said GPs needed to do more to raise the issue with overweight patients.

"I think maybe we are a bit too reticent about telling them that maybe they should go on a diet," she said. "We have no qualms in telling people who are smokers that they ought to stop smoking, but we are reticent about telling people to go on a diet.

"Part of the reticence comes out of the sense that many diets fail or, more accurately, many people who try to diet fail. But many people who try to give up smoking fail. It doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have another go," Prof Jebb said.

She suggested those who are overweight should set themselves an aim of once every five years losing at least 5 per cent of their bodyweight - accepting that some of the weight lost was likely to creep back on.

Prof Sanders also said Britain could learn from the French, by restoring more structured meal times, instead of snacks on the go.

"We need to come to terms with more structured eating and rethink the way we eat," he said.

"The French talk about food far more and spend far more time eating but actually have far less obesity so you can actually enjoy your food .. but its about eating less."

He said Britain’s culture of "24/7 snacking" and "eating on the hoof" was fuelling an obesity epidemic, which has left British girls the most overweight in Europe.

On Thursday two reports will be published, setting out new advice from the Government’s Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition’s on recommended sugar limits, alongside a raft of proposals by Public Health England (PHE) about how to help people reduce their sugar intake.

The quango is considering options including targets to reduce sugar content in some foods, as was introduced with salt, increased restrictions on advertisements for processed foods and a tax on sugary products.

Ministers have already indicated that they would rule out such taxes until there is more evidence from other countries that they make a significant impact. A draft version of the PHE paper said sugary drinks have been described as a "low hanging fruit" for a sugar tax, highlighting research showing that a 20 per cent tax on sugar-sweetened drinks "could reduce consumption and prevalence of obesity in adults by 1.3 per cent".

Last month a league table of 22 nations found British girls and women under the age of 20 are the most overweight in Western Europe, with 29.2 per cent overweight or obese.

Of those, 8 per cent of the girls meet the clinical definition of obesity, having a Body Mass Index of 30 or above. An estimated 26 per cent of British boys under 20 are overweight and obese – placing them 10th.

The comment below on the article sums up food and health fascism perfectly.


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I would sack (and not replace) this woman, as I would so so many other government 'tsars' or 'experts'. Sack the lot.

Thoughts?

Chippiewill
25-06-2014, 10:25 PM
It's a recommendation not a law. Get over it.

buttons
25-06-2014, 10:25 PM
ya it's stupid. i was only allowed water at dinner because anything else filled me up and so i wouldn't eat much of my food. apparently (hss been both proven and disproven) it's unhealthy to drink anything whilst eating and so they've contradicted themselves by suggesting you drink anything at all.

sex
25-06-2014, 10:25 PM
dunno how anyone had anything excpt water with their dinner or an alcoholic bevvie x

-:Undertaker:-
25-06-2014, 10:27 PM
It's a recommendation not a law. Get over it.

If you had read the entire article, rather than part of it, you'll see that it comes before more state proposals for interference...


On Thursday two reports will be published, setting out new advice from the Government’s Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition’s on recommended sugar limits, alongside a raft of proposals by Public Health England (PHE) about how to help people reduce their sugar intake.

The quango is considering options including targets to reduce sugar content in some foods, as was introduced with salt, increased restrictions on advertisements for processed foods and a tax on sugary products.

Ministers have already indicated that they would rule out such taxes until there is more evidence from other countries that they make a significant impact. A draft version of the PHE paper said sugary drinks have been described as a "low hanging fruit" for a sugar tax, highlighting research showing that a 20 per cent tax on sugar-sweetened drinks "could reduce consumption and prevalence of obesity in adults by 1.3 per cent".

Kardan
25-06-2014, 10:28 PM
Surely it's just as much of a suggestion as 'You should have 2000/2500 calories a day' and 'Eat 5 portions of fruit and veg'...

Chippiewill
25-06-2014, 10:29 PM
If you had read the entire article, rather than part of it, you'll see that it comes before more state proposals for interference...

You'd think the telegraph would lead with that if it were of any significance.

-:Undertaker:-
25-06-2014, 10:29 PM
Surely it's just as much of a suggestion as 'You should have 2000/2500 calories a day' and 'Eat 5 portions of fruit and veg'...

Nope, look above... moves are being made for yet more taxation, regulation and restrictions when it comes to food.

I just can't wait until they really start with internet regulation to protect the childrennnn, then you'll all be up in arms and it serves you right.

scottish
25-06-2014, 10:30 PM
Seems like it apart from the sugar tax

-:Undertaker:-
25-06-2014, 10:30 PM
You'd think the telegraph would lead with that if it were of any significance.

It has done, but in other articles.

This article is about the comments this government tsar has made in the wake of the reports.

Kardan
25-06-2014, 10:32 PM
Nope, look above... moves are being made for yet more taxation, regulation and restrictions when it comes to food.

I just can't wait until they really start with internet regulation to protect the childrennnn, then you'll all be up in arms and it serves you right.

Well, it says 'considering options' - that's not 'Enforcing laws'.

-:Undertaker:-
25-06-2014, 10:35 PM
Well, it says 'considering options' - that's not 'Enforcing laws'.

These sorts of ridiculous rules are already been enforced, apparently councils now have inspectors going around chip shops and restaurants inspecting - and this is how draconian and absurd this country has become - the number of holes in salt shakers (https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=xxxLUumlFITVtAaj1YDQBA#q=council+inspectors+sal t+shakers). The new proposals will become law within the next few years, I guarantee it. But first the reports will be published by the quangos with proposals to be considered. As the comment I posted pointed out, these people (and I would include you in this) simply don't know when to stop. It's a constant salami slicing away of our freedoms.

We already know that Labour - who you will dutifully vote for - want to move sweets away from the front counter of supermarkets.

Kardan
25-06-2014, 10:43 PM
These sorts of ridiculous rules are already been enforced, apparently councils now have inspectors going around chip shops and restaurants inspecting - and this is how draconian and absurd this country has become - the number of holes in salt shakers (https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=xxxLUumlFITVtAaj1YDQBA#q=council+inspectors+sal t+shakers). The new proposals will become law within the next few years, I guarantee it. But first the reports will be published by the quangos with proposals to be considered. As the comment I posted pointed out, these people (and I would include you in this) simply don't know when to stop. It's a constant salami slicing away of our freedoms.

We already know that Labour - who you will dutifully vote for - want to move sweets away from the front counter of supermarkets.

From what I've read, it's just one council that's done what you said in your post - and it isn't an inspection on the number of holes in a salt shaker, but simply an inspection in the amount of salt in fast food outlets. Also worth noting it was a one off study (8 years ago now) carried out for only 15 days.

Of course though, if you read the Daily Mail, they'll portray it as health and safety gone mad :P

-:Undertaker:-
25-06-2014, 10:48 PM
From what I've read, it's just one council that's done what you said in your post - and it isn't an inspection on the number of holes in a salt shaker, but simply an inspection in the amount of salt in fast food outlets. Also worth noting it was a one off study (8 years ago now) carried out for only 15 days.

Again, dodging the issue - I give you an example of the kind of ridiculous interference in our lives when it comes to what we eat, and you'll simply duck and dodge the issue with the likes of "well its not EVERY council" or "well it was only an inspection" just goes to show you really don't get the point. The point is, that moves are afoot on a national and a local level (at varying speeds, as it is with every piece of legislation or proposal across the country) for ever more regulations and restrictions to be placed on what we eat which has JACK to do with the government.

The fact that we have ever increasing salt regulations, councils inspecting the number of holes in salt shakers and now proposals for sweeties to be moved away from the front of the shop just show what your kind of mentality leads to. It's never ending and you need to be stopped.


Of course though, if you read the Daily Mail, they'll portray it as health and safety gone mad :P

Nice try at getting a Daily Mail jibe into the thread, but this article isn't from the Daily Mail. It's from the Telegraph.

If this isn't health and safety gone mad though (or food fascism as I prefer), i'd like to know what is. It's becoming absurd.

Sian
25-06-2014, 10:50 PM
What the? Silly suggestion, if that's how it's staying. I used to hate plain water (if that's what they're talking about) and not because I had a load of sugary drinks when I was younger, water was bland (still is actually).

Absolute madness.

scottish
25-06-2014, 10:50 PM
"The fact that we have ever increasing salt regulations, councils inspecting the number of holes in salt shakers and now proposals for sweeties to be moved away from the front of the shop just show what your kind of mentality leads to. It's never ending."

we don't though, as he said that was 8 years ago for 15 days in one area.

-:Undertaker:-
25-06-2014, 10:55 PM
"The fact that we have ever increasing salt regulations, councils inspecting the number of holes in salt shakers and now proposals for sweeties to be moved away from the front of the shop just show what your kind of mentality leads to. It's never ending."

we don't though, as he said that was 8 years ago for 15 days in one area.

No no no, see you don't get it. I'm using the salt shaker example as an off the cuff way to point out how we've got ourselves to the absurd point of council inspectors now going around chip shops and takeaways. Do you not agree that was completely absurd and not the business of the council in question? Do you not also agree that Labour's recent proposals to move sweets away from the front of supermarkets are also absurd and a gross overstep of state power?

This is a general discussion on what the role of the state is in food and health, not one on Stockport council and salt shakers.

Kardan
25-06-2014, 10:56 PM
Again, dodging the issue - I give you an example of the kind of ridiculous interference in our lives when it comes to what we eat, and you'll simply duck and dodge the issue with the likes of "well its not EVERY council" or "well it was only an inspection" just goes to show you really don't get the point. The point is, that moves are afoot on a national and a local level (at varying speeds, as it is with every piece of legislation or proposal across the country) for ever more regulations and restrictions to be placed on what we eat which has JACK to do with the government.

The fact that we have ever increasing salt regulations, councils inspecting the number of holes in salt shakers and now proposals for sweeties to be moved away from the front of the shop just show what your kind of mentality leads to. It's never ending and you need to be stopped.



Nice try at getting a Daily Mail jibe into the thread, but this article isn't from the Daily Mail. It's from the Telegraph.

If this isn't health and safety gone mad though (or food fascism as I prefer), i'd like to know what is. It's becoming absurd.

I was on about the council inspecting salt shakers being a Daily Mail article.

And you say I'm dodging the issue? I thought this thread was on about sugar and water at meal times, but you've started going on about a salt inspection by ONE council 8 years ago that took 15 days :P

It's a fact that the UK has a serious obesity problem. What is the harm in trying to reduce salt/sugar levels? If you miss the amount of salt you had on your chips, then add some yourself.

And what is the harm in removing single packs of sweets away from supermarket tills, and keeping them to just the sweets aisle? Did you complain when E-numbers started to get removed from things? Is Jamie Oliver your idea of Satan trying to get schools to eat healthy?

I mean, I can understand if the government started closing down fast food outlets because their salt output was too high, but suggesting chip shops to go from salt shakers with 3 holes to 1 hole is hardly the end of the world.

Anyway, what do you propose we do to try and solve the obesity problem?

-:Undertaker:-
25-06-2014, 11:02 PM
I was on about the council inspecting salt shakers being a Daily Mail article.

And you say I'm dodging the issue? I thought this thread was on about sugar and water at meal times, but you've started going on about a salt inspection by ONE council 8 years ago that took 15 days :P

Well as the thread creator let me tell you, this is intended to be a general discussion about food/government interference.

Sorted, next question.


It's a fact that the UK has a serious obesity problem. What is the harm in trying to reduce salt/sugar levels? If you miss the amount of salt you had on your chips, then add some yourself.

There's nothing wrong with trying to reduce salt levels, there is something wrong when the state starts using force to enforce it.


And what is the harm in removing single packs of sweets away from supermarket tills, and keeping them to just the sweets aisle? Did you complain when E-numbers started to get removed from things? Is Jamie Oliver your idea of Satan trying to get schools to eat healthy?

See, this is the difference between you and me and our outlook. That because I don't want Ed Miliband to regulate sweets at the front of the supermarket simply because it is not his business, you automatically and stupidly assume that I hate Jamie Oliver and would like to feed children all kinds of junk food until they're the size of a boulder. But what you cannot seem to grasp is the fact that what I am opposing is the state taking away our freedoms (which includes the right to make the wrong decisions).


I mean, I can understand if the government started closing down fast food outlets because their salt output was too high, but suggesting chip shops to go from salt shakers with 3 holes to 1 hole is hardly the end of the world.

Anyway, what do you propose we do to try and solve the obesity problem?

I don't pretend to be able to solve the problems/personal habits or vices of millions of people by using force or anything else, that's the fundamental philosophical difference between you (+the politicians) and I. As I said in the other thread, at heart I believe you're an authoritarian.

Kardan
25-06-2014, 11:05 PM
Ah of course, taking away our freedoms.

First not being able to post bomb threats on twitter, and now having to walk to the sweets aisle to buy some chocolate buttons.

One step closer to becoming North Korea.

-:Undertaker:-
25-06-2014, 11:06 PM
Ah of course, taking away our freedoms.

First not being able to post bomb threats on twitter, and now having to walk to the sweets aisle to buy some chocolate buttons.

One step closer to becoming North Korea.

So freedom only consists of being able to vote every 5 years then, does it?

I think you're confusing what the real meaning of freedom is. It is not democracy, it is liberty.

The right of a private business to be able to set out its store how it wishes is a good measure of freedom (both social and economic), absolutely.

GommeInc
25-06-2014, 11:15 PM
I remember when McDonald's were told not to mix salt into their chips. That regulation disappeared within a year and normality ensued. This seems to be the standard suggestion which should probably be followed. The sugar tax is a step too far and would destroy businesses such as Britvic, Coca-Cola etc from operating with their current product line up. It just seems unlikely the Government would take such a step. As with most of these issues, moderation and better education is key. It works for salt since people rarely OD on the stuff now but understand it is important for the body. Can't speak for ready cooked meals though, which were regulated if I recall correctly, although all I remember was the FSA simply added nutrient counters on everything to give fat, salt etc content.

iBlueBox
25-06-2014, 11:19 PM
Why the heck would anyone want to drink anything but water at the dinner table??

Absently
25-06-2014, 11:29 PM
Why the heck would anyone want to drink anything but water at the dinner table??that's what i was thinking!! sometimes i drink a cup of tea, but that's quite rare. other than that i couldn't stomach anything else!! never mind a fizzy drink! i'd have two spoonfuls of my dinner and be full!

Chippiewill
25-06-2014, 11:48 PM
The sugar tax is a step too far and would destroy businesses such as Britvic, Coca-Cola etc from operating with their current product line up.

Coca-cola's profit margins are insane, I wouldn't worry too much about them.

The Don
26-06-2014, 08:24 AM
Nobody is being told to ban fizzy drinks from the dinner table, there's a huge difference between a suggestion and being told to do something. A non issue.

Hannah
26-06-2014, 08:30 AM
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Food doesn't make people obese, people make themselves obese.
Porn doesn't find children, children find porn.

... and we all know that people are likely to go against regulation purely because it is against regulation.

They won't be able to force it upon people though, suggest it maybe and increase tax - but that won't stop people.
Look at smokers, for example.

Matt
26-06-2014, 08:33 AM
My parents only really let us have water at the table mainly because if my brother doesn't like it, he'll just fill up on chocolate milk or something and leave all of his dinner.

Zak
26-06-2014, 08:43 AM
Hate to say it but I had fizzy pop at all my dinners and I'm in better shape than a lot of people.

Everything is about moderation. I think our generation are (as a whole) healthier than the up and coming generation.. Look around.. A lot of people our age are lazy, can't cook, have no common sense and lack a proper education. The traditional housewife is being phased out too which will no doubt to lead to unhealthier lifestyles for our children.

This is not always the case. A lot of people on here have their heads screwed on and will make good parents. I'm going on what I see on social media from my generation for example..

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