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[scottish]

I thought the plan was Achievements to replaced Awards and awards to be phased out

so why are you giving away more new badges for events (such as the birthday week) instead of an achievement?

Pick one system or another, don't keep using two.. if you feel achievements have failed then simply remove them. If not get a move on with removing awards and stop giving out more awards.

[Inseriousity.]

Well I think it's fair that there was some sort of transition period between the two. Sadly, in its current form, the achievements system is just the awards system with more admin. Personally I'd start the whole thing again in the format it was suggested (and not done retroactive either - that decision killed it before it even started - except for those obvious ones you can't avoid like post count)

[Chris]

As I've said it will eventually be removed. There is an update coming to the achievements system soon, although it is nothing major or very exciting. You can discuss it amongst yourselves as I'm going to be on limited activity for the next week and haven't really got much else to say at this point anyway.

[lemons]

what the hell we wont get the cute badges anymore??!? the achievements thing is so BORING

[Kyle]

achievement system would work if all departments were working to their best first. at the current time it's unnecessary.

[Chris]

what the hell we wont get the cute badges anymore??!? the achievements thing is so BORING

Yes you will. That is the next update, to bring fresh new icons to every achievement. It's taking some time because well...obviously there are a lot of images to be made. Good progress is being made though. :)

[Phil]

I was actually thinking this when I was making the post lol. I think if Awards are phased out, it won't work in some situations. For example, the awards for the birthday are limited awards. I don't think it would work if there are limited edition achievements y'know?

[Inseriousity.]

achievement system would work if all departments were working to their best first.

not necessarily. all it'd need is managers to do admin work which they already do. most of it would just be community getting involved, which is what the prizes would do if it was organised as suggested.

[FlyingJesus]

Still don't really get what the difference is or why people care which one we use

[Kyle]

not necessarily. all it'd need is managers to do admin work which they already do. most of it would just be community getting involved, which is what the prizes would do if it was organised as suggested.
yah I definitely think that if a bit more creativity was put into even just naming the achievements it could b a little more successful but currently events team for example is dwindling and once teams build back up and community gets a bit bigger then it has potential to be a lot more successful.

[Chippiewill]

I was actually thinking this when I was making the post lol. I think if Awards are phased out, it won't work in some situations. For example, the awards for the birthday are limited awards. I don't think it would work if there are limited edition achievements y'know?

Technically speaking they're still called awards, they're just part of the achievements system (Which is more accurately known as vbActivity anyway).

[Inseriousity.]

yah I definitely think that if a bit more creativity was put into even just naming the achievements it could b a little more successful but currently events team for example is dwindling and once teams build back up and community gets a bit bigger then it has potential to be a lot more successful.

If it was set out how we said, the theory was that it'd build the community providing an incremental incentive to stay here and show off what Habbox has to offer while also providing the community with something to aim for. Atm, Tom's right, it's just the awards system with a different name but it doesn't have to be.

[Matt]

I like the awards better than the achievement system :/ I didn't see anything wrong with them.

[Chris]

What is it that people like more about the awards system? Is it the simplicity of being able to click the request award button?

[iBlueBox]

Are they not basically the same things? whats the big difference?

[David]

What is it that people like more about the awards system? Is it the simplicity of being able to click the request award button?

the formatting of the awards tab looks better, having images on them, being able to see peoples awards on posts and the custom descriptions you can get
the achievements tab is all blocky and looks **** but getting tokens is good i guess

[Chris]

Are they not basically the same things? whats the big difference?

There isn't a major difference. You get tokens for achievements whereas you don't get anything for awards.


the formatting of the awards tab looks better, having images on them, being able to see peoples awards on posts and the custom descriptions you can get
the achievements tab is all blocky and looks **** but getting tokens is good i guess

Ok that makes sense. I don't know if we can sort the formatting or bring the achievements to the postbit, but if it's at all possible then we'll certainly try. Images are going to be added soon so it'll look less ugly.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Personally I would have kept the Awards system, I didn't see a problem with it. In any case, we don't have to get rid of the existing Awards - why not simply discontinue them but still have them up? Simply make it clear that Awards that have been given out still stand, but that no more new awards will be awards. It's the same with what governments do when certain awards are ended (ie, the Star of India award).

[scottish]

because having two systems to do the same thing is pointless, if moving to achievements then get rid of all awards and remove the plugin and convert those awards to achievements.

[FlyingJesus]

We never needed a new system in the first place, it was just because someone saw something they liked on a forum that runs completely differently to ours and decided it would be a great idea to change it all around

[Inseriousity.]

The awards system is just there. There's no motivation or incentive for new members to use it. I suggested the achievements system as a way to give incentive to new users to stay here and as a challenge for older members. It wasn't from a forum, it was from a game that does run completely differently but that doesn't mean these things can't be adapted (see also Habbox Monopoly, Big Brother, The Jungle etc).

General management have ignored my feedback - I'll quote it below - choosing instead to continue a pale imitation of the original idea (an idea you supported when I first suggested it btw) and a carbon copy of the awards system.


Personally, I think it should've been delayed. After seeing the comps achievements today, I sent a PM to chris and matt with the following suggestions. As they didn't reply and proceeded, I will post it here.

My main concerns are that:

1. The whole 'sets' thing seems to have been dropped. The easy, medium, hard sets and then the sets of comps, hxl, hxhd, events, forum, habbox (the latter seems to be intact). Adding the difficulty gives motivation for newer users rather than the current awards system of 'oh we'll get that when we get there' attitude which is what I think will happen to it if it goes out as it is. Breaking it down into smaller chunks gives it that edge the awards system doesn't.

2. Fun! The awards system is very formal and the achievements system doesn't have to be. Admittedly, this might be difficult with comps so this might not be as much of an issue with other departments and this point moot. For instance, "take part in a singalong in the spam forum", y'know it'd foster some community spirit and so on.

3. Prizes. The sets idea was that to complete a set you'd get prizes. It was meant to be about attracting new users so adding Habbo prizes would give it a selling point on Habbo.

On the plus side, it got done. That's an achievement all by itself! I'd have personally delayed it, explained the reasoning why in a feedback thread and asked for suggestions from the community for the more informal tasks before releasing it but doing it piece by piece will achieve the same goal in the long term (I just hope its simplicity doesn't put people off before its at a more worthwhile phase hence why I'd have delayed it).

I will also say well done to Chris for taking this (what is a very difficult project) when it's not even his job description. I have no idea of the involvement of the other AGMs but technically it'll have been organised by the community AGM so to see it being led by the staff AGM is, best case scenario, a general management team that isn't restricted by technicalities and works as a team or worst case scenario someone else having to step in where no-one else is willing to lead. Sounds like we're somewhere in the middle here!

[iBlueBox]

I prefer achievements then if you get tokens

[Lewis]

I personally don't like achievements. Awards seem so much better to me, especially considering how boring the current achievements are.