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[scottish]

Right, I quit at the start of EoC because EoC is ****.

I'm more and more tempted to rejoin, if legacy goes live and is as good damage output as EoC and bots return I may rejoin.

So what's changed since EoC began?

[Rachel]

I am sure bots won't return as Jagex will stay look close for bots. I don't want bots to return as you can't train in peace (no offence)

[Inseriousity.]

EoC isn't that bad, you just got to get used to it. Well I suppose you don't have to if legacy is coming lmaoooo
as for updates I can't really think of any cos I can't remember what's post-EoC and what's not. I think bonus xp points in things like treasure chest (again, a new thing instead of squeal of fortune but still the same really) instead of automatic XP.
divination skill was released, that's newish. I think that was after EoC

[scottish]

I am sure bots won't return as Jagex will stay look close for bots. I don't want bots to return as you can't train in peace (no offence)

Bots will return with legacy, I can guarantee that. Atm RS > £ is better on old school and I'm sure OS will be packed with bots :P

It's easy to train in peace with bots as it's not hard to outsmart them.


EoC isn't that bad, you just got to get used to it. Well I suppose you don't have to if legacy is coming lmaoooo
as for updates I can't really think of any cos I can't remember what's post-EoC and what's not. I think bonus xp points in things like treasure chest (again, a new thing instead of squeal of fortune but still the same really) instead of automatic XP.
divination skill was released, that's newish. I think that was after EoC

EoC is bad imho, if I want a game with 20 button rotation I'd rejoin WoW. I'll only rejoin if legacy goes live :P

Is there new bosses? Nex was last major boss before I left, are there new slayer areas? monsters?

Yeah divination was post-EoC

[Inseriousity.]

Not as far as I know but I don't really pay much attention to those updates. I only combat during quests and slayer assignments when I need to train my levels up. Probably why I'm not that fussed over EoC :P

[scottish]

yeah where as I mainly play for the combat side of stuff :p

[Matthew]

yeah where as I mainly play for the combat side of stuff :p

I'm sure there's been more bosses since nex

Queen Black Dragon comes to mind. The fight kiln was released after nex too, I think?

[Rachel]

I might as well name the bosses.

Vorago
Barrows - Rise of the six
KK - Kalphite King
QBD - Queen Black Dragon
Corporal Beast

but there are more just check here http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Boss

[doghunter90]

I do not believe that bots will returns do to legacy mode only being combat related not skilling

[Kardan]

Updates since EoC:

Player Owned Ports (Lv 85 armour)
God Statues (Monthly D+D for Construction/Prayer/Slayer)
Kalphite King (New group boss)
Demon Flash Mobs (Boss D+D)
Sinkholes (Daily Dungeoneering D+D)
Wilderness Warbands (Daily D+D in the Wilderness, gives up to 450,000 xp a day)
Charming Imp (Dungeoneering reward, collects dropped charms)
Castle Wars improvements
Duel Arena improvements
Charm sprites (Catch hunter creatures for summoning charms)
Instanced God Wars
Harvest Heaven (High level farming update)
God Emissaries (Pledge allegiance to your chosen God)
Order of Ascension (High slayer dungeon based on range)
Triskelion Treasures (Rare chance at getting high level rewards from using high level activies)
Vorago (Current hardest boss, group boss)
Divination (Latest skill)
Daemonheim Tasks
Treevolution (High level trees, Crystal/Elder)
Sirenic Armour (Lv 90 ranged armour)
Barrows - Rise of the six (Improved, harder barrows, Lv 90 melee armour)
Harbringers of Tuska (New slayer monsters)
Player Owned Ports II
Power to the players (New poll system, vote on things each week ingame)
Slayer Helmet improvement
Giant Mole improvement
Heist (Thieving/Hunter minigame)
Revolution (Makes EoC combat pretty awesome)
Mahjarrat Memories (Mini-quest)
Bank improvements
Master skillcapes (Improved skillcape if you reach theoretical level 120, like dungeoneering)
Elder divination (New divination spot)
Skillchompas (Useless really)

New quests:
Rune Mysteries (Improved)
Rune Memories
The Brink of Extinction
Demon Slayer (Improved)
The World Wakes
Bringing home the Bacon
The Death of Chivalry
Birthright of the Dwarves
Missing, Presumed Death
One of a Kind
Fate of the Gods
A Shadow over Ashdale
The Mighty Fall

[Kyle]

aah too many updates to consider

[scottish]

I might as well name the bosses.

Vorago
Barrows - Rise of the six
KK - Kalphite King
QBD - Queen Black Dragon
Corporal Beast

but there are more just check here http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Boss

ah, barrows was already there (with the 6 bosses) and corp obviously

wtf is vorago

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aah too many updates to consider

that's what i'm thinking lol

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I do not believe that bots will returns do to legacy mode only being combat related not skilling

bots typically do combat.......................

and the fact that old school RS is better £ per gp so obviously most bots are gonna move for a better price

but if people actually rejoin due to legacy then the market for EoC will improve so better £/gp so they'll likely return especially given the price of stuff atm is stupidly high.

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Updates since EoC:

Player Owned Ports (Lv 85 armour)
God Statues (Monthly D+D for Construction/Prayer/Slayer)
Kalphite King (New group boss)
Demon Flash Mobs (Boss D+D)
Sinkholes (Daily Dungeoneering D+D)
Wilderness Warbands (Daily D+D in the Wilderness, gives up to 450,000 xp a day)
Charming Imp (Dungeoneering reward, collects dropped charms)
Castle Wars improvements
Duel Arena improvements
Charm sprites (Catch hunter creatures for summoning charms)
Instanced God Wars
Harvest Heaven (High level farming update)
God Emissaries (Pledge allegiance to your chosen God)
Order of Ascension (High slayer dungeon based on range)
Triskelion Treasures (Rare chance at getting high level rewards from using high level activies)
Vorago (Current hardest boss, group boss)
Divination (Latest skill)
Daemonheim Tasks
Treevolution (High level trees, Crystal/Elder)
Sirenic Armour (Lv 90 ranged armour)
Barrows - Rise of the six (Improved, harder barrows, Lv 90 melee armour)
Harbringers of Tuska (New slayer monsters)
Player Owned Ports II
Power to the players (New poll system, vote on things each week ingame)
Slayer Helmet improvement
Giant Mole improvement
Heist (Thieving/Hunter minigame)
Revolution (Makes EoC combat pretty awesome)
Mahjarrat Memories (Mini-quest)
Bank improvements
Master skillcapes (Improved skillcape if you reach theoretical level 120, like dungeoneering)
Elder divination (New divination spot)
Skillchompas (Useless really)

New quests:
Rune Mysteries (Improved)
Rune Memories
The Brink of Extinction
Demon Slayer (Improved)
The World Wakes
Bringing home the Bacon
The Death of Chivalry
Birthright of the Dwarves
Missing, Presumed Death
One of a Kind
Fate of the Gods
A Shadow over Ashdale
The Mighty Fall

thanks, quests are **** so that's that out

what's player owned ports? just a new section of the PoH?

what did they change to CW? I noticed my 1.4k CW tickets got changed to 'gold'

what does the pledge of allegiance to a specific boss do?

instanced god wars? so you're no longer able to crash people or?

yesss a slayer update

how hard is vorago, compared to the likes of nex? i remember nex being a pain in the ass when it first came out due to dif mechanics rather than right click and wait for it to die

what do you get from divination and how do you train it?

ohh are the original barrows brothers still there? i assume the brothers are the same as before just hit harder or are they dif mechanics?

what improved with giant mole and slayer helm?

[Kardan]

ah, barrows was already there (with the 6 bosses) and corp obviously

wtf is vorago

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that's what i'm thinking lol

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bots typically do combat.......................

and the fact that old school RS is better £ per gp so obviously most bots are gonna move for a better price

but if people actually rejoin due to legacy then the market for EoC will improve so better £/gp so they'll likely return especially given the price of stuff atm is stupidly high.

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thanks, quests are **** so that's that out

what's player owned ports? just a new section of the PoH?

what did they change to CW? I noticed my 1.4k CW tickets got changed to 'gold'

what does the pledge of allegiance to a specific boss do?

instanced god wars? so you're no longer able to crash people or?

yesss a slayer update

how hard is vorago, compared to the likes of nex? i remember nex being a pain in the ass when it first came out due to dif mechanics rather than right click and wait for it to die

what do you get from divination and how do you train it?

ohh are the original barrows brothers still there? i assume the brothers are the same as before just hit harder or are they dif mechanics?

what improved with giant mole and slayer helm?

PoP is a solo minigame in Port Sarim. Essentially it's like one of those Facebook games, you have a ship and a crew (and you can upgrade it the crew and ship parts) and send them out on voyages to unlock stuff, and the further you go the longer it takes the ship to travel. So you'll start off and each voyage will take 20 minutes... At my stage it takes my ships 12 hours for a voyage. The rewards are very good though, you can build Lv 85 armour for Melee/Magic/Range, or you can build tradeable sets of those armour (Has slightly worse stats than the untradeable armour) and can sell them for a few million. Also introduces scrimshaws, items that go in a new pocket slot that just provide some benefits to skilling and combat. Worth doing, and it will take you a while to unlock the stuff, but if you want the stuff in the future best start now (Plus Lv. 80 armour is worth many many millions still).

CW just had a few improvements, mostly to rewards. You need 4k gold tickets for the completionist trimmed cape, so 1.4k is a very decent amount (considering it's about 2 tickets per 20 mins assuming you win each time).

Pledge of allegiance is mostly for lore, you can get a few XP rewards if you do a few tasks, but mainly you get a title and it changes quest dialogue for you.

Instanced god wars means you can't get crashed, but you have to pay a fee. You can also unlock hard mode god wars if you do it instanced which has better rewards.

Vorago is super hard. There's 5 different 'rotations', essentially each week you have to kill it in a different way and you need at least 5 people with 10,000 LP each just to survive the initial blow at the start of the battle. The unique drops from the boss are so rare that they're still worth 1 billion gp+.

Divination training is very easy, a simple gathering skill. These wisps fly around near a crater, you click on wisp, get a full inventory, then deposit into the crater. When you harvest the wisps you get energy (stackable, tradeable) and memories (unstackable, untradeable). The memories you convert into the crater for XP/More energy. The energy you can craft into various things or sell. You can also transmute items with the energy, so you can turn gold charms into green charms, or adamant ore into rune ore. You can also get Divine Locations with the energy, and it's essentially a portable item location. So someone could put down a 'Shark Bubble', you click on it, and you harvest Raw Shark - except that you harvest it at full speed (So there's no chance of failing, so you fill up your inventory very fast). Can only collect so many items from divine locations and you can only create yourself one once a day.

Original barrows brothers are still there, this is just a hard mode that's separate. Totally different mechanics, you go in as two pairs of two (so 4 people total) and each pair has 30 seconds to kill 3 brothers each (and they have new special attacks etc).

Giant Mole just has slightly different mechanics and drops, mainly a noob boss, not worth doing. Slayer helm just has added benefits, nothing to write home about.

I know you say quests are crap, but honestly, it's the best thing going for RuneScape at the moment. The level of detail (Voice acting, new musical scores, content/lore) is just amazing. Of course, you'll probably have to go through loads of crap quests to get to the recent ones (There are some that require no requirements though), but it's worth it.

Also, The World Wakes quest is very important, it advances the game from the 5th age to the 6th age and essentially opens up so much more content. We now have quests exploring all the gods (The latest quest was a Bandos quest) and it's pretty awesome.

[Inseriousity.]

I love the quests, quest cape was my first 1 and I'm enjoying the Gods storyline too. I'd recommend it!

[Zak]

EoC isn't bad, esp now that they have revolution.

I actually like EoC better for general use, although if I were a pk'er I would hate it.

[scottish]

What is revolution?

I'm not a PKer, but I have no interest in learning rotations to play Runescape, if I want to mash a 20 button rotation everytime I want to attack I'll rejoin WoW :P

I, like a lot of people, liked Runescape for the simplicity in the combat. Click and away you go, anything more than that puts me off (enough to quit already)

[Inseriousity.]

that's what revolution is, you set up your action bar right and it does all automatically. all you got to do is attack.
useful for a big boss where you got to do multiple things at once. I used it on the latest quest

[scottish]

oh, that seems alright.

as long as you just click the boss and it does the damage i'm fine with that, but having to click each button i'd rather not rejoin

i'll see.

[Kardan]

oh, that seems alright.

as long as you just click the boss and it does the damage i'm fine with that, but having to click each button i'd rather not rejoin

i'll see.

Legacy is what you're describing, you click and then you just keep attacking. But with legacy you have to have everything in it's old style. Old style menus, old style health etc. Plus it's only in beta, not released yet.

Revolution is part of EoC. EoC you have the basic abilities, threshold abilities (which require 50% adrenaline) and ultimate abilities (which require 100% adrenaline). Normal EoC, you have to button mash: So for example: 1234124121415...

Revolution will automatically use basics and thresholds as soon as they come available, so all you need to do is use an ultimate ability if you want too...

Revolution at the moment does way more damage than Legacy, and you get to keep all the nicer looking menus (in my opinion anyway).

But Revolution really is better.

Oh, and whilst people might hate PKing on EoC, on the beta you can choose between EoC and legacy, and if people are pking, people on EoC win every time (more damage per second).

[scottish]

yeah I know, and I'm used to the old system/menus/etc as I quit the day EoC got introduced.

EoC may be better for now, but as you said it's still in beta. Jagex stated that both damages will be optimal, and if they're not similar I can imagine there being a lot of complaints and lack of people rejoining (which is the reason they're re-introducing legacy in the first place, trying to get back members after their second (arguably first) largest mistake in RS history)

So if they do leave Legacy severely lower damage then no-one will rejoin :P

[Kardan]

yeah I know, and I'm used to the old system/menus/etc as I quit the day EoC got introduced.

EoC may be better for now, but as you said it's still in beta. Jagex stated that both damages will be optimal, and if they're not similar I can imagine there being a lot of complaints and lack of people rejoining (which is the reason they're re-introducing legacy in the first place, trying to get back members after their second (arguably first) largest mistake in RS history)

So if they do leave Legacy severely lower damage then no-one will rejoin :P

The thing is, EoC should give more damage, because you're using more effort, and more effort should equal more damage/XP, although they do need to do more balancing, the difference shouldn't be as much as it currently is. I think EoC will always have an advantage in PKing anyway, because you can always choose the moment when you want to deal more damage, as opposed to Legacy where you'll just be hoping for a big hit.

[scottish]

spec is a big part of pking, especially with godswords/clash rushing. idk if that'll be introduced to eoc somehow or just legacy, and they'll have legacy only worlds.

The damage difference between EoC and Legacy should be so small that you can't notice the difference imho. otherwise they're not going to win anyone over and no-ones going to return because the few people who did stick with it will do a lot better damage, so it's simply not worth returning as the combat system they've gave you back is inferior to EoC.

[Rachel]

Once you try it and know the basics of playing you will be fine :) ;)

[IceNineKills]

even when i played i mainly trained the way i used to in like 2009ish as i didnt understand any of the new things. i still don't know now but charming imps are so worth getting

[scottish]

I know I'll be fine if I tried it, but I don't want to try it unless it's legacy

As I've said countless times if I want a button mash then I'll play WoW.

[Grimmauld]

what the hell is "legacy"? someone fill me in please.

[Zak]

what the hell is "legacy"? someone fill me in please.

I'm pretty sure Legacy is a project by Runescape to bring the old style of combat back to RS3. So no abilities, just click the thing you want to attack and it hits it - just like the old style of combat before EoC.

@Kardan (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=3428); what do you think of EoC? I feel as though I'm the only one who likes it.. revolution is absolutely excellent. Abilities bring more to the table.. why all the love for the past? Nostalgia? People don't like change?

[Kardan]

EOC's great with revolution. There was so much negativity before it was even released that I made sure I got 99 Slayer under the old system, and I regret all that rushing now, so much easier with EOC.

[scottish]

I'm pretty sure Legacy is a project by Runescape to bring the old style of combat back to RS3. So no abilities, just click the thing you want to attack and it hits it - just like the old style of combat before EoC.

@Kardan (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=3428); what do you think of EoC? I feel as though I'm the only one who likes it.. revolution is absolutely excellent. Abilities bring more to the table.. why all the love for the past? Nostalgia? People don't like change?

People liked RS for the Simplicity

As I said earlier if I want to play a game with a button mash/20 button rotation then i'll simply jump back on World of Warcraft, as well as it being a button mash it's a much better 'combat system' than runescape is.

I played RS for the Simplicity in the combat system 'click and hit', soon as EoC was announced everyone I played with quit as no-one had any interest in the new combat system and most irl people jumped back on WoW/Diablo.

[Zak]

Never really enjoyed combat anyway :P it's ok now. There's more to it.. It's the future :)

[Grimmauld]

things simply will never be the same again :(

[marine]

I don't think legacy will even take off it seems more like 'this is as much as we could be bothered to do' to me, if it was exactly how it used to be like they did with 07 it may have a chance but they won't make another server so..

[Zak]

The idea to have two combat systems is a good idea but makes moving forward more difficult. I woulde have just stuck with EoC.. Players hate change but if the game never changed in the first place it wouldn't have got to the point where most users like it. Any decisions made about things like Legacy should be done on like an 80%+ on a poll.. which is what I think Legacy got :P

[scottish]

The idea to have two combat systems is a good idea but makes moving forward more difficult. I woulde have just stuck with EoC.. Players hate change but if the game never changed in the first place it wouldn't have got to the point where most users like it. Any decisions made about things like Legacy should be done on like an 80%+ on a poll.. which is what I think Legacy got :P

Jagex is here for money though, EoC had a massive impact on their money.

Same as when they removed wildy like half of the players quit so they reverted it a few years later to try and pull people back in.

[Zak]

Jagex is here for money though, EoC had a massive impact on their money.

Same as when they removed wildy like half of the players quit so they reverted it a few years later to try and pull people back in.

Yeah I agree. It's all about the money.

[scottish]

Yup, but the worst of it is they don't listen to the community then do something that all the players know will have a massive impact on the playerbase, but they're apparently oblivious to it.

Then a year later they regret it.

[Richie]

Yup, but the worst of it is they don't listen to the community then do something that all the players know will have a massive impact on the playerbase, but they're apparently oblivious to it.

Then a year later they regret it.

Well they are a company their aim is to make money :P I think having weekly polls has definitely changed the game for the better.

Come back to 07 nub

[scottish]

never been on 07 and no chance of joining.

[Zak]

It'll be maxscape soon. Even I'm getting closer to max and I barely ever play.

[Zelda]

well at least inventor coming out at some point to solve maxscape for a short while ;p

[scottish]

inventor? new skill?

[Inseriousity.]

yeah lmao it sounds really bad

[Zelda]

yea it does sound like a pain, i'm more worried about the fact it was meant to be able to make customisable weapons (not sure if it still does though, glad they stopped it making the level 90 2h's anyway) cause there is already a very large diversity of weapons and that would just be stupid. looks like it's gonna be very slow and expensive to train too, but at least if you spend ages collecting the energy before it's released i suppose

[scottish]

how does momentum compare to revolution in eoc?