Anne Frank Might Be Alive

[MightyMagician]

As the title says it, this may be true. First of all, nobody can give an exact date when she died. Miep Gies signed death certificates for Anne and Margot Frank at least 9 years after there was proof they supposedly "died". That's right, in 1945 their dad had a witness who said Anne died in her arms, but we'll get to her later. Witnesses say Anne died in early March that year, 2-3 days after Margot died, but historians say she died on the 13th, while the Red Cross says the 31st - so what are we supposed to believe? And why wait until 1954 to get her death on record? Needless to say there was never a body, document, photo, or video to prove these 2 people even died. In this next paragraph I'm going to talk about the witnesses.

Irma Sonnenberg Menkel saw Anne Frank "die". Apparently after Margot died she was so gravely ill that she became bedridden in the barracks of Bergen Belsen, until she slipped into a coma and died. Hanneli Goslar however claimed that on the fence, Anne was giving up because everybody else had died. The problem is that Margot was still alive when Goslar claimed Anne said this, and family is hope. So lets assume this was said after she died: Wasn't Anne Frank too gravely ill to leave her own bed? Also Irma even claims she helped bury the bodies in white sheets, which would make it easy to find remains through dental records. I'm also going to provide clues to Anne and Margot being alive.

Check out this video - to be fair I know this was made by a denier, but video proof is really hard to fake especially when dealing with such a topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdlUHr80TKo, watch from 36:20-37:15. So apparently dead people can become zombies now and look amazingly human? That looks just like Anne Frank, and even Irma thought she looked younger than 15 years old. To add to the evidence Margot Frank's diary vanished after the war. I think they both returned to Amsterdam, but Otto Frank told them to start new lives under new names, because at 19 Margot would be the legal age to take care of Anne, being an adult. What do you think?

[lemons]

she dead

[myles]

i actually agree

[MightyMagician]

Read the whole thing, and think carefully. I thought the same thing too.

[MKR&*42]

Im not watching a video titled 'the holocaust is a lie'... as for your other points, well you do realise that there was kind of a war going on and it's very hard to casually stroll down the street and get a death certified whilst you're in the middle of a ******* war - maybe that's why it wasn't signed until 1954 you know. The dispute over the day she died is hardly good evidence for your argument either, it was the 1940s and a war was going on do you think that there's going to be no slight inaccuracy of when she died?

There were many bodies not recovered from the war, are you telling me hundreds of soldiers never died either? I am willing to consider the fact that yes anne frank may indeed be alive, but your evidence is simply not strong enough.

Wait is this for a school essay or something as it seems structured that way :P
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i hope this not a troll crying.

[MightyMagician]

Say that to Irma Sonnenberg Menkel, who claims "she died in my arms", the point being not many people were put in white sheets remains, and they can compare with dental records, yet no body was ever found. Also I clearly stated which part of this video was relevant. in 1945 most camps were liberated, and Otto Frank was able to return home. Yeah, there was really a war going on there. After the camps were liberated though Otto Frank and Miep and Bep could have housed them, until they could move elsewhere. With a witness though, why the almost 10 year wait?

[MKR&*42]

Irma is one person, she could have said she saw hitler die in her arms if she wanted too. No body was ever discovered because the camp she was at got burned down and all of the people who had died from diseases were buried together in a mass grave - I wouldn't like to be the one to dig up thousands of skeletons to pray that Anne Frank is in there with teeth in tact.

Are you aware of how horrific the conditions at the camp would have been around the time the british soldiers got there? As sad as it sounds, there isn't all the time in the universe when you have to defend the area, sort out the horrific case of typhoid, tend to injured prisoners, bury thousands of people etc. It's no surprise a death certificate was never issued for a long time for her??

[MightyMagician]

I don't think somebody would just go up to Otto Frank and say Anne died only to be lying in truth. There was a train going to the Theresienstadt camp in the Czech Republic that Auguste Van Pels went on, and my clip has video footage of Anne in that camp. You're right, the first few years I can understand, but even to this day no body? Otto Frank would have done everything in his power to find his kids to have a proper gravesite, but no body. Thats because she was out of Bergen Belsen in a camp where conditions weren't as bad, then there's medical treatment.

[dbgtz]

I think if she was still alive she would have made people aware.

[WoodyLFC.2k7]

As has already been said, there's plenty of people who have "died" without us having a body..
After so many years "missing" and with a reasonable suggestion as to why you might be dead, you can be declared dead..

Many people who we think are alive.. might be dead.
Many people who we think are dead.. might be alive.

Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

Famous people who fit into this category of us not knowing if they are dead or alive.. if you have any reason to doubt that there's no proof, supply it and I'll agree with you..
Everybody.

[karter]

i'm too lazy just watch that american horror story episode where the woman claims she's anne frank

[!x!dude!x!2]

Naw dude shes dead .
http://i.imgur.com/v7QDaJu.png
google would never lie

[FlyingJesus]

You know what I've never seen Alexander The Great's death certificate I reckon he must still be alive too

[Reality]

I agree with Tom if she was alive she would of made herself well announced to people by now.

[Matt]

So many people know of Anne Frank that I think it would be incredibly hard for her to still be alive and have gone undetected. The argument you've provided indicates you've spent time researching possible evidence surrounding her death and comes across as quite strong/detailed but I personally don't think she'd still be alive.

[GommeInc]

Possible, but really, it's pointless to worry about. If she didn't die, she's dead to the world now as far as interest goes. The signing of the death certificate isn't really that important considering thousands were backlogged.

[iBlueBox]

looks like we have another dragga on our hands


o/t ; she's dead

[Becca]

lmao at people thinking she is alive
bye

[MightyMagician]

People, there's a reason why Anne wouldn't have gone public - Do you have any idea how many nazi escapees were still around for years even after the Nuremberg Trials ended? If they knew about Anne's diary and that she was alive they really would go out to kill her.

[The Don]

Can someone move this to spam? Phil; Calum0812; Bolt660; what a stupid thread

[MightyMagician]

Can someone move this to spam? @Phil (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=67954); @Calum0812 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=112488); @Bolt660 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55726); what a stupid thread
If it's such a stupid thread then how come I've made 3 paragraphs providing proof including video footage? Can you provide information of how and when Anne got to to Theresienstadt before Bergen Belsen? Because clearly she was there.

[MightyMagician]

Please move this thread out of the spam page. Clearly I am not spamming, if I wanted to spam I would have done something else.

[Calum0812]

Please move this thread out of the spam page. Clearly I am not spamming, if I wanted to spam I would have done something else.
If you'd like to appeal anything moderators do, you need to open a thread in the support forum

[MightyMagician]

There is no discussion. I was following the rules as always and I am not tolerating appeal nonsense.

[MKR&*42]

Whilst i disagree with the OP's thread title, their posts and their argument, there is no way this is 'spam' as they actually seem to be genuinely trying to persuade others/debate with others over anne frank's existence. Yeah it's a stupid debate but it's not spam smh

[Yawn]

Move it from spam and I'll post my opinion

[GommeInc]

Not sure why this was moved to Spam when it's obviously not. Quite an interesting theory. Daft, but some sources to support it.

[MightyMagician]

I intend to, I am still investigating further and plan on investigating into this further. I don't even need to source the nazi fugitives though. Josef Mengele is a clear example.

[hairpins]

eye no a habo cold ann

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[FlyingJesus]

If it's such a stupid thread then how come I've made 3 paragraphs providing proof including video footage?

Open speculation is not proof

[The Don]

Whilst i disagree with the OP's thread title, their posts and their argument, there is no way this is 'spam' as they actually seem to be genuinely trying to persuade others/debate with others over anne frank's existence. Yeah it's a stupid debate but it's not spam smh


Not sure why this was moved to Spam when it's obviously not. Quite an interesting theory. Daft, but some sources to support it.

It is complete and utter garbage and belongs in the spam section.

I seem to recall a lot of Dragga's threads being moved to spam which were pretty similar and thus comparable to this thread, yet this one gets moved back? So either Dragga was being wrongly targeted by the moderators or this thread was wrongly put back into Discuss Anything.

[GommeInc]

It is complete and utter garbage and belongs in the spam section.

I seem to recall a lot of Dragga's threads being moved to spam which were pretty similar and thus comparable to this thread, yet this one gets moved back? So either Dragga was being wrongly targeted by the moderators or this thread was wrongly put back into Discuss Anything.
You're the only one that seems to want it in Spam. Furthermore, he's provided a logical argument with decent sources to support it. Punishing members who provide thorough theories and interesting debate is and should be unwelcome.

EDIT: Also, if it is utter garbage - provide a reason why. It's a forum, it's there to debate and discuss, not discourage. Last I checked you don't punish other people for having a different opinion to yours, not when you're older than 5 at least.

[The Don]

You're the only one that seems to want it in Spam. Furthermore, he's provided a logical argument with decent sources to support it. Punishing members who provide thorough theories and interesting debate is and should be unwelcome.

EDIT: Also, if it is utter garbage - provide a reason why. It's a forum, it's there to debate and discuss, not discourage. Last I checked you don't punish other people for having a different opinion to yours, not when you're older than 5 at least.

I can't handle the irony of somebody mentioning logical arguments whilst in the same breath using the classic "you're the only one!!1!" fallacy. Punishing members? You seem to be making things up now, moving a thread to spam is not punishing anybody. You need to learn to read peoples posts properly. Lmao at the logical argument with decent sources comment, try harder.

[FlyingJesus]

It's not a spam thread it's a discursive one with a clear subject and material. Being absolutely insane doesn't stop that from being true

[The Don]

It's not a spam thread it's a discursive one with a clear subject and material. Being absolutely insane doesn't stop that from being true

Well if being completely ridiculous isn't grounds for moving a thread into the spam section then surely Dragga's threads were incorrectly moved? So inconsistent.

[MightyMagician]

The Don, the only problem is that it doesn't matter where the video came from. It was taken at a camp in the now Czech Republic, and that's Anne Frank in the video, and she looks pretty healthy there. I'm clearly showing you that there is nothing solid to even prove Anne Frank died and I'm giving evidence that support the idea that she is alive. Am I saying the Van Pels or Edith Frank survived as well? No, I acknowledge they died because there is proof they died. Get your facts straight before you start talking trash about me. The fact that you're trying to make a lame attempt at discrediting my theory is garbage, and nobody agrees with you.

[!:random!:!]

.....i don't think she would be alive she old.

[FlyingJesus]

I'm clearly showing you that there is nothing solid to even prove Anne Frank died and I'm giving evidence that support the idea that she is alive.


You know what I've never seen Alexander The Great's death certificate I reckon he must still be alive too

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[Kyrx]

Eh, I'm still pretty damn sure that she's dead.

[GommeInc]

I can't handle the irony of somebody mentioning logical arguments whilst in the same breath using the classic "you're the only one!!1!" fallacy. Punishing members? You seem to be making things up now, moving a thread to spam is not punishing anybody. You need to learn to read peoples posts properly. Lmao at the logical argument with decent sources comment, try harder.
I can't handle someone who doesn't know what the word irony means. It is punishing members as moving a thread to Spam suggests they have done something wrong (posting in the wrong forum), when they clearly haven't as it's just one member who seems completely up in arms about this with a moderator taking the word of one pedantic member against the rest who really do not care.

Also, if you disagree with the topic then say why you believe it to be incorrect. Don't say "move it to Spam" because you have nothing better to do. Honestly, this has yet again been a huge waste of time further diminishing the quality of the topics on Habbox.


Well if being completely ridiculous isn't grounds for moving a thread into the spam section then surely Dragga's threads were incorrectly moved? So inconsistent.
Wasn't he just deranged? He didn't provide many, if any, decent sources to back up his claims. His threads looked as though they were the ramblings of a mad man high on drugs.


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Obama will always be white until I see his birth certificate proving he isn't :P

[The Don]

I can't handle someone who doesn't know what the word irony means. It is punishing members as moving a thread to Spam suggests they have done something wrong (posting in the wrong forum),

You clearly don't know what punishing somebody is, and it's laughable that you consider moving a thread to a different section as some form of punishment. Giving the user a warning is a punishment, moving a thread to a more suiting section is not punishing somebody.


when they clearly haven't as it's just one member who seems completely up in arms about this with a moderator taking the word of one pedantic member against the rest who really do not care.

This is such a stupid and illogical comment. Genuinely expected better from you.


Also, if you disagree with the topic then say why you believe it to be incorrect. Don't say "move it to Spam" because you have nothing better to do. Honestly, this has yet again been a huge waste of time further diminishing the quality of the topics on Habbox.

I don't think it belongs in spam because I disagree with it, I think it belongs in spam because it's the same fringe theory rubbish that Dragga posted, which was also moved to spam. In fact, some of Dragga's threads which were moved actually had more potential for discussion (such as this one (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=801298)) than this thread.


Wasn't he just deranged?

It's funny that you simply dismiss him as deranged (jumping on the bandwagon and back to your mob rules attitude) and use that as grounds to suggest that all his threads belonged in spam, rather than judging them independently rather than by who made it.


He didn't provide many, if any, decent sources to back up his claims. His threads looked as though they were the ramblings of a mad man high on drugs.

What decent sources have been provided in this thread? Other than a badly made youtube video I can't think of anything else.

[MightyMagician]

.....i don't think she would be alive she old.
84-85 isn't that old. and Hanneli Goslar is roughly the same age alive, being a Bergen Belsen survivor.

[FlyingJesus]

So you think it should be moved to Spam because (by your reasoning) mistakes have been made in the past

[The Don]

So you think it should be moved to Spam because (by your reasoning) mistakes have been made in the past

No, I don't think moving Dragga's threads to spam were mistakes.

[Red]

your whole theory is basically on this one small clip?
http://cl.ly/image/3M3F3J2Y2v1X/Screen%20Shot%202014-07-28%20at%2015.18.57.png
I can see the similarities but that girl looks way younger than Anne.
Why on earth if she did make it out alive would she want to start a new life from her father :S

[The Don]

your whole theory is basically on this one small clip?
http://cl.ly/image/3M3F3J2Y2v1X/Screen%20Shot%202014-07-28%20at%2015.18.57.png
I can see the similarities but that girl looks way younger than Anne.

It's an insane theory. Why would Anne Frank be in hiding after the end of WW2 when the Nazis were no longer a threat?

[MightyMagician]

The Don, just stop being an ass, ok? You can't falsify video from over 50 years ago in camps where the nazis documented their crimes, which btw do you see any proof of their deaths? "Try harder" - do that when you have the balls to show some respect.

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It's an insane theory. Why would Anne Frank be in hiding after the end of WW2 when the Nazis were no longer a threat?
If Anne Frank knew of people like Josef Mengele being on the run, then yes. Only in this scenario she's not hiding, she's simply living a new life.

[The Don]

The Don, just stop being an ass, ok? You can't falsify video from over 50 years ago in camps where the nazis documented their crimes, which btw do you see any proof of their deaths? "Try harder" - do that when you have the balls to show some respect.

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If Anne Frank knew of people like Josef Mengele being on the run, then yes. Only in this scenario she's not hiding, she's simply living a new life.

What? Any Nazi's in hiding would not have the means or resources to harm her, and even if they did why would they care about one random girl?

[MightyMagician]

Yes, she looks younger in that video. To be fair though I already addressed Irma saying she looked much younger, so people can make the mistake of saying she's younger. Irma thought she was like 11 or 12, that looks like the age of Anne in this clip.

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What? Any Nazi's in hiding would not have the means or resources to harm her, and even if they did why would they care about one random girl?
Anne Frank wrote a diary that explicitly talked about nazi crimes and it was selling thousands shortly after it was published. That's good enough. Plus nazis on the run still had guns.

[Red]

There is photos of her and she doesn't look like that. That is not her. A greater likness and holocaust deniers etc would be all over this clip but they aren't lol... If Mengele was on the run and as one of the most wanted people in the world, they are hardly gonna come and hunt her down. You even said family is hope, so why would Anne after going through such a tortuous experience want to continue on her life away from her father.

[FlyingJesus]

I don't think the idea of someone quietly hiding in South America would force anyone into hiding tbh

[The Don]

Yes, she looks younger in that video. To be fair though I already addressed Irma saying she looked much younger, so people can make the mistake of saying she's younger. Irma thought she was like 11 or 12, that looks like the age of Anne in this clip.

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Anne Frank wrote a diary that explicitly talked about nazi crimes and it was selling thousands shortly after it was published. That's good enough.

And? everybody knew about what the Nazis did after the end of the war anyway, it was all heavily documented...

[MightyMagician]

How would Anne know? Furthermore Mengele wasn't the only one, and yes it kind of does look like Anne.

[The Don]

How would Anne know? Furthermore Mengele wasn't the only one, and yes it kind of does look like Anne.

What do you mean how would Anne know? The defeat of Germany was kind of big news...

[MightyMagician]

What do you mean how would Anne know? The defeat of Germany was kind of big news...
Doesn't mean everybody was captured.

[The Don]

Doesn't mean everybody was captured.

So you think some random girl (who is no threat to the already defeated nazi party) would fake her death and let her father and all the rest of her surviving family mourn her on the off chance that some Nazi in hiding was stupid enough to come after her, and not one of the many, many people that were released from concentration camps, because she wrote a diary which had nothing to do with concentration camps (as it was wrote UP UNTIL her arrest, not during).

[MightyMagician]

There is photos of her and she doesn't look like that. That is not her. A greater likness and holocaust deniers etc would be all over this clip but they aren't lol... If Mengele was on the run and as one of the most wanted people in the world, they are hardly gonna come and hunt her down. You even said family is hope, so why would Anne after going through such a tortuous experience want to continue on her life away from her father.
Really? Are you kidding me? I was bringing the family is hope bit because it served as a reason for her to keep living, unlike Goslar saying she was just giving up. And the whole point of Anne living a new life was in part because with the Organization dad created around people would find her.

[FlyingJesus]

There weren't Nazi officers strolling the streets attempting to massacre anyone who looked a bit Jewish after the war

[The Don]

There weren't Nazi officers strolling the streets attempting to massacre anyone who looked a bit Jewish after the war

Oh really? I'm gonna need to see some proof.

[Red]

Really? Are you kidding me? I was bringing the family is hope bit because it served as a reason for her to keep living, unlike Goslar saying she was just giving up. And the whole point of Anne living a new life was in part because with the Organization dad created around people would find her.
You say her family was someone she loved and it was a reason for her to keep going so why on earth would she want to start a new life without them? Doesn't make sense.

[MightyMagician]

So you think some random girl (who is no threat to the already defeated nazi party) would fake her death and let her father and all the rest of her surviving family mourn her on the off chance that some Nazi in hiding was stupid enough to come after her, and not one of the many, many people that were released from concentration camps, because she wrote a diary which had nothing to do with concentration camps (as it was wrote UP UNTIL her arrest, not during).
The Diary doesn't make her a random person, it makes her a witness. Second Otto, Miep and Bep are 3 people, not hard to fake mourning. Btw you cow, if you read the book you'd know she talked about the camps. She knew about the gas chambers before she was captured.

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You say her family was someone she loved and it was a reason for her to keep going so why on earth would she want to start a new life without them? Doesn't make sense.
Staying with Otto Frank, or Miep or Bep meant risking the public finding her.

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You can still kill people while on the run. Nice try.

[The Don]

The Diary doesn't make her a random person, it makes her a witness. Second Otto, Miep and Bep are 3 people, not hard to fake mourning. Btw you cow, if you read the book you'd know she talked about the camps. She knew about the gas chambers before she was captured.

A witness to what?

[MightyMagician]

A witness to what?
A witness to the gas chambers, which she did see every day being at Auschwitz.

[The Don]

A witness to the gas chambers, which she did see every day being at Auschwitz.

You do realise that you can go and tour the gas chambers now?

[MightyMagician]

You do realise that you can go and tour the gas chambers now?
She saw hundreds of little kids being sent to them AS IT HAPPENED, kids who were younger than 10 and going to be killed.

[The Don]

She saw hundreds of little kids being sent to them AS IT HAPPENED, kids who were younger than 10 and going to be killed.

So did all of these people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_victims_and_survivors_of_Auschwitz#Survivo rs

and there is undeniable proof documenting what happened at the concentration camps, proof that you can go and look at in museums right now, one little 15 year old girl would make no difference.

[MightyMagician]

So did all of these people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_victims_and_survivors_of_Auschwitz#Survivo rs

and there is undeniable proof documenting what happened at the concentration camps, proof that you can go and look at in museums right now, one little 15 year old girl would make no difference.
So lets see? Survivor of 3 camps? Check. Diary? Check. Gas chamber witness? Check. gg man.

[The Don]

So lets see? Survivor of 3 camps? Check. Diary? Check. Gas chamber witness? Check. gg man.

you're a moron

[MightyMagician]

I'm a moron And there we have it people, he has no logical argument.

[Red]

Why do you think she needs to hide from the public? There are other Jewish survivors who came into the public eye and educate about the holocaust and share their experiences? If this risk you are imagining was there then the others would have gone into hiding too.

[MightyMagician]

Why do you think she needs to hide from the public? There are other Jewish survivors who came into the public eye and educate about the holocaust and share their experiences? If this risk you are imagining was there then the others would have gone into hiding too.
Already addressed above.

[Red]

How?! Many lived through transfer to diff camps and lived to testify to the gas chambers existence.

[MightyMagician]

The difference is that she already knew about the gas chambers beforehand, and it was written in the diary.

[FlyingJesus]

You can still kill people while on the run. Nice try.

Good luck sneaking into post-war Germany from South America when you're the world's most wanted criminal, and then managing to somehow get close enough to a celebrity survivor of the camps to off them. There's also no motive since there was no Nazi government to protect any more, and with no means or motive there is no threat. You're just making things up and choosing to believe the most outrageous things for a theory that changes literally nothing in all of history anyway


The difference is that she already knew about the gas chambers beforehand, and it was written in the diary.

And you're assuming that a little girl locked away in hiding would be the only person who knew about them? And she alone would be at risk as opposed to those around her for what reason? Nothing that you're claiming makes any sense

[MightyMagician]

Slowly picks part post.
Good luck sneaking into post-war Germany from South America when you're the world's most wanted criminal, and then managing to somehow get close enough to a celebrity survivor of the camps to off them. There's also no motive since there was no Nazi government to protect any more, and with no means or motive there is no threat. You're just making things up and choosing to believe the most outrageous things for a theory that changes literally nothing in all of history anyway



And you're assuming that a little girl locked away in hiding would be the only person who knew about them? And she alone would be at risk as opposed to those around her for what reason? Nothing that you're claiming makes any sense
Her diary sold hundreds of millions of copies and still is, and she was a gas chamber witness, which she wrote about said gas chambers in the diary. I never said she was the only witness. I said Mengele was an example, he wasn't the only one. Killing someone to protect your own ass is motive, assuming Anne went public. That's a threat.

[FlyingJesus]

The Nuremberg Trials ended on 1st October 1946, the diaries weren't published until 1947 so she was no "celebrity" until long after her death and the end of the trials, and considering Anne died before the war was even over there would not only be no point in faking her death but also no way of doing it. You really are stretching as far as you can trying to grab on to a theory that simply doesn't hold any water.

No reason to do it in the first place, no reason to keep up the charade all her life, no reason to ever believe that she didn't die a horrific death other than a bad photo that doesn't even look like her and the writings of a fact-blind Holocaust denier

[GommeInc]

You clearly don't know what punishing somebody is, and it's laughable that you consider moving a thread to a different section as some form of punishment. Giving the user a warning is a punishment, moving a thread to a more suiting section is not punishing somebody.
Warning someone is not a punishment. Are you of earth? The Spam forum is not a more suited forum - only you think so. Everyone else is of the opinion it is more suited here. Before your useless comment it was a decent thread, then you spoiled it.


This is such a stupid and illogical comment. Genuinely expected better from you.
It's not a comment. It's a fact. Only you wanted it moved to Spam. It was reverted because no one else thought it was a good idea.


I don't think it belongs in spam because I disagree with it, I think it belongs in spam because it's the same fringe theory rubbish that Dragga posted, which was also moved to spam. In fact, some of Dragga's threads which were moved actually had more potential for discussion (such as this one (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=801298)) than this thread.
Doesn't mean I agree with that decision. I've said for years that the Spam forum is misused. You clearly disagree with the Dragga threads being moved there so I'm not sure what you're point is. You want a thread moved to Spam because... you want another daft decision made? Hardly betters the forum.


It's funny that you simply dismiss him as deranged (jumping on the bandwagon and back to your mob rules attitude) and use that as grounds to suggest that all his threads belonged in spam, rather than judging them independently rather than by who made it.
The last thread I ever saw of his was so messed up I go by that. Didn't say they all were, but from that last thread I saw of his he came off as a bit paranoid.


What decent sources have been provided in this thread? Other than a badly made youtube video I can't think of anything else.
Tallcoolguy700 gave names of people who have always given contradicting information which have never made sense. Even if you disagree with the idea she's still alive, there is a lot of scope for discussion about why the information contradicts and why there is no cement information on her time of death. Chucking it in Spam when it is not "pointless" seems counter-productive. Your only contribution to this thread is saying "this is a stupid thread" without actually giving a reason why. Before that, a good discussion was going on that was sullied by some unwanted pedanticism based on some daft reasoning:

Other threads were moved to Spam,
You disagreed with their removal
BUT, you think this should be removed for continuity because it is similar to those threads.

It's like you purposely want to cut off your nose to spite your face :/

EDIT:

This seems a bit like a pointless discussion seeing as there is a real discussion going on proving this thread isn't pointless. It's actually quite interesting. Possibly one of the few interesting threads this forum has seen for a while.

[The Don]

Warning someone is not a punishment. Are you of earth? The Spam forum is not a more suited forum - only you think so. Everyone else is of the opinion it is more suited here. Before your useless comment it was a decent thread, then you spoiled it.

Issuing a warning is not a punishment but relocating a thread is?


It's not a comment. It's a fact. Only you wanted it moved to Spam. It was reverted because no one else thought it was a good idea.

It's a fact that what's most popular is always the rule? So absurd.


Doesn't mean I agree with that decision. I've said for years that the Spam forum is misused. You clearly disagree with the Dragga threads being moved there so I'm not sure what you're point is. You want a thread moved to Spam because... you want another daft decision made? Hardly betters the forum.

Learn to read posts properly, I never said that I disagreed with Dragga's threads being moved, in fact that point is one of my main reasons for suggesting this thread be moved.



The last thread I ever saw of his was so messed up I go by that. Didn't say they all were, but from that last thread I saw of his he came off as a bit paranoid.

He made loads of threads, and you're judging them all based on one particular one?


Tallcoolguy700 gave names of people who have always given contradicting information which have never made sense. Even if you disagree with the idea she's still alive, there is a lot of scope for discussion about why the information contradicts and why there is no cement information on her time of death. Chucking it in Spam when it is not "pointless" seems counter-productive.

Giving names is now considered decent sources? Lmao alrighty then. Look at the rest of the comments in this thread, even when presented with solid points he simply creates some ridiculous excuse to counter them.


Your only contribution to this thread is saying "this is a stupid thread" without actually giving a reason why. Before that, a good discussion was going on that was sullied by some unwanted pedanticism based on some daft reasoning:

That's virtually all you've contributed to this thread, if you care to look I've actually been replying on topic for the past few pages...


Other threads were moved to Spam,
You disagreed with their removal
BUT, you think this should be removed for continuity because it is similar to those threads.

It's like you purposely want to cut off your nose to spite your face :/


Nope, not at all. Learn to read posts properly and then come back to me, where did I say I disagreed with them being moved to spam?


This seems a bit like a pointless discussion seeing as there is a real discussion going on proving this thread isn't pointless. It's actually quite interesting. Possibly one of the few interesting threads this forum has seen for a while.

If you consider this tiring argument (not mine and yours, but Tallcoolguys vs everyone else) real discussion and one of the better threads on the forum then you really are a wet blanket. Nothing he's saying makes any sense, and his entire argument is built upon one picture of a girl that kinda-sort of-doesn't look like Anne Frank.

[MightyMagician]

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[The Don]

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Calm down bobby! Believing there's no conspiracy surrounding the death of Anne Frank doesn't make me simple minded.

[Okeanos]

Anne Frank DID die in the Holocaust.

Hanneli Goslar and Anne were friends before the war, someone told Hanneli that Anne was in a camp next to hers and so they were able to have a brief conversation. It was Margot who was too ill to leave her bed, not Anne. Anne said that she had given up hope (because she knew her sister was dying) and she believed that both her parents had also been killed.

Otto (Anne's father) looked for years to find out what happened to his children. It took that long because Europe was in ruins, millions of people were dead and millions were missing. Janny Brandes (not Irma Sonnenberg Menkel) was the witness who came forward and told Otto that Anne and Margot had died.

The ONLY known footage of Anne is this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chZ1vRMOObI, 0:09) It was a wedding video, not in a camp or on a train. Your video isn't her.

Anne did mention the extermination of the Jews in her diary, but that is hardly surprising - the truth is most people knew what was happening. People denied knowing afterwards, but they knew. She left her diary behind when her family were captured, there are no first hand written accounts of Anne's time in Westerbork, Auschwitz or Bergen Belsen. I don't think you've even read her diary to be honest.

Why would Otto try so hard to get her diary published, to do interview after interview and choose to stay in the public light, talking about Anne well into his 90s... if she was alive and in hiding. Surely he would not want to bring attention t her? I won't humour you any further because it is pretty obvious you're trolling.

[MightyMagician]

Calm down bobby! Believing there's no conspiracy surrounding the death of Anne Frank doesn't make me simple minded.
Who are you and how do you know my name?

[Matthew]

I commend your enthusiasm for this subject Tallcoolguy700; but its surely misplaced. I don't believe for one minute that Anne Frank is still alive :P

[GommeInc]

Issuing a warning is not a punishment but relocating a thread is?
Correct. A warning is not a punishment - it's a warning for a reason. A punishment is taking action on something unwanted. Moving a thread is punishment otherwise it wouldn't be moved. A warning is a warning that punishment may soon be necessary to circumvent unwanted behaviour. Why do you need word for word definitions? It's pretty obvious.


It's a fact that what's most popular is always the rule? So absurd.
So you disagree with the majority? The majority don't care because this thread is interesting and is open to discussion.


Learn to read posts properly, I never said that I disagreed with Dragga's threads being moved, in fact that point is one of my main reasons for suggesting this thread be moved.

So as FlyingJesus said - you think stupid past decisions should be re-enacted in future and present decisions for the sake of continuity despite how stupid that is?


He made loads of threads, and you're judging them all based on one particular one?
No, but as you know I disagree with moving threads to the Spam forum using it as a dumping ground for threads which clearly are there to discuss anything yet the forum that carries that namesake seems to have over-active moderators who dislike many threads being posted here.


Giving names is now considered decent sources? Lmao alrighty then. Look at the rest of the comments in this thread, even when presented with solid points he simply creates some ridiculous excuse to counter them.
Then counter them. Learn what a discussion is, rather than say "put it in the Spam forum" which is unwanted.


That's virtually all you've contributed to this thread, if you care to look I've actually been replying on topic for the past few pages...
Then clearly you can't read. Also, you have contradicted yourself. You seem to like to discuss this topic, so why want it moved? Because of mindless pedantic behaviour based on dreadful past decisions that must be followed blindly? That seems your only argument. You want it moved yet happily discuss in it.


Nope, not at all. Learn to read posts properly and then come back to me, where did I say I disagreed with them being moved to spam?
You said they have or had discussions in them. What's the name of this forum? Let me help you - Discuss Anything. Saying "learn to read" is not a valid argument, especially if you fail to do so yourself.


If you consider this tiring argument (not mine and yours, but Tallcoolguys vs everyone else) real discussion and one of the better threads on the forum then you really are a wet blanket. Nothing he's saying makes any sense, and his entire argument is built upon one picture of a girl that kinda-sort of-doesn't look like Anne Frank.
If you're against discussions leave the forum, as it's clearly only you that wants this thread removed from the publicly visible part of the forum and moved to Spam because it's "pointless" (as is the description of the Spam forum). Also, it is a real discussion. You're discussing why she must be dead. Do you really not know what a discussion is? :S


It's like you have a personal vendetta against harmless threads in this forum all of a sudden. It makes no sense and you seem bitter that only you wanted it in Spam and the decision was rightfully reverted, seeing as the Spam forum is known as a dumping ground for threads which aren't even being spammed in or "pointless".

[Okeanos]

Who are you and how do you know my name?

dont ignore my post. here it is again:


Anne Frank DID die in the Holocaust.

Hanneli Goslar and Anne were friends before the war, someone told Hanneli that Anne was in a camp next to hers and so they were able to have a brief conversation. It was Margot who was too ill to leave her bed, not Anne. Anne said that she had given up hope (because she knew her sister was dying) and she believed that both her parents had also been killed.

Otto (Anne's father) looked for years to find out what happened to his children. It took that long because Europe was in ruins, millions of people were dead and millions were missing. Janny Brandes (not Irma Sonnenberg Menkel) was the witness who came forward and told Otto that Anne and Margot had died.

The ONLY known footage of Anne is this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chZ1vRMOObI, 0:09) It was a wedding video, not in a camp or on a train. Your video isn't her.

Anne did mention the extermination of the Jews in her diary, but that is hardly surprising - the truth is most people knew what was happening. People denied knowing afterwards, but they knew. She left her diary behind when her family were captured, there are no first hand written accounts of Anne's time in Westerbork, Auschwitz or Bergen Belsen. I don't think you've even read her diary to be honest.

Why would Otto try so hard to get her diary published, to do interview after interview and choose to stay in the public light, talking about Anne well into his 90s... if she was alive and in hiding. Surely he would not want to bring attention t her? I won't humour you any further because it is pretty obvious you're trolling.

[The Don]

Correct. A warning is not a punishment - it's a warning for a reason. A punishment is taking action on something unwanted. Moving a thread is punishment otherwise it wouldn't be moved. A warning is a warning that punishment may soon be necessary to circumvent unwanted behaviour. Why do you need word for word definitions? It's pretty obvious.


So you disagree with the majority? The majority don't care because this thread is interesting and is open to discussion.


So as FlyingJesus said - you think stupid past decisions should be re-enacted in future and present decisions for the sake of continuity despite how stupid that is?


No, but as you know I disagree with moving threads to the Spam forum using it as a dumping ground for threads which clearly are there to discuss anything yet the forum that carries that namesake seems to have over-active moderators who dislike many threads being posted here.


Then counter them. Learn what a discussion is, rather than say "put it in the Spam forum" which is unwanted.


Then clearly you can't read. Also, you have contradicted yourself. You seem to like to discuss this topic, so why want it moved? Because of mindless pedantic behaviour based on dreadful past decisions that must be followed blindly? That seems your only argument. You want it moved yet happily discuss in it.


You said they have or had discussions in them. What's the name of this forum? Let me help you - Discuss Anything. Saying "learn to read" is not a valid argument, especially if you fail to do so yourself.


If you're against discussions leave the forum, as it's clearly only you that wants this thread removed from the publicly visible part of the forum and moved to Spam because it's "pointless" (as is the description of the Spam forum). Also, it is a real discussion. You're discussing why she must be dead. Do you really not know what a discussion is? :S


It's like you have a personal vendetta against harmless threads in this forum all of a sudden. It makes no sense and you seem bitter that only you wanted it in Spam and the decision was rightfully reverted, seeing as the Spam forum is known as a dumping ground for threads which aren't even being spammed in or "pointless".

It's a one sided discussion, there's virtually no reasonable argument for her being alive. It's a pointless thread. Either way i'm only discussing it with you still because you keep replying, I don't actually care about it being reverted otherwise I would have taken the issue up with the moderators. I'm just replying to your ridiculous comments, such as calling names decent sources, or calling ridiculous conspiracy theories decent discussion. Anyway, you, this argument and this thread are all boring me so I won't be replying again. Oh and a warning on a forum is a punishment because it removes your 'free pass' for mistakes. If you make a mistake you have a warning, if you do it again you get an infraction or something more severe, so taking away your free pass is a punishment. Moving a thread to a different section doesn't affect anybody, nor their account.

[MightyMagician]

Point A: Wrong, Goslar said the reason Anne was giving up was because her parents were dead. I was simply first handedly assuming good faith Goslar's memory was poor and said well what if Anne said everybody else is dead, obviously referring to her family.

Point B: Yeah, except it took Otto Frank roughly 6 months to go from Auschwitz Birkenau to Amsterdam, and since Theresienstadt was a country away right next to there it would have taken 6 months as well. As for looking for years for his kids? He and Miep and Bep could have known where they were this whole time, starting new lives. Janny Brandez said she found her "dead body", 2 sisters claimed they saw Anne die and told Otto Frank, but ultimately it was Irma Otto believed, in the summer, because she said Anne died in her arms. The years Otto Frank spent "searching" was for only for a nonexistent body (2 tbh).

Point C: Are you kidding me? Yes it does look like her. How can you judge her appearance in a camp anyways?

Point D: No she didn't leave her diary behind. She was going to but an arresting officer put it in disarray, which Miep locked in her desk drawer. I never mentioned written accounts of Anne in the camps, that's why I said there's no documentation. And I read her diary.

Point E: Otto Frank simply would have wanted Anne to start a new life with Margot for her protection, but publishing her diary would be keeping her spirit alive. New life - not hiding. And you're not making a valid argument.

[FlyingJesus]

You're still yet to disclose a real reason why a person with dreams of making it big in journalism and other writing would want to start a "new life" (which is the same as hiding) when the means to have all their ambitions come to fruition were right there just a few years after the war. Anne Frank was not a shy hideaway girl who wanted a simple life knowing no-one, as anyone who read the diary knows. There's still absolutely zero motive for any of these theories

[MightyMagician]

There was Peter Van Pels. A new life doesn't mean a career free one. She could have been writing books under a pen name and you wouldn't know. And having a diary that sells a fortune makes you famous if you're a said Holocaust victim, so now many people do know her.

[FlyingJesus]

That is a response to literally zero of my points, well done

[MightyMagician]

Well done for not understanding the English language. Why can't you just say she was traumatised from being captured once, and she didn't want to be again, or even killed? Knowing loads of people would just accelerate this event's time frame.

[FlyingJesus]

I'm extremely learned in the English language, you're not making any new points here nor are you clarifying anything previously written. I asked what motive an aspiring journalist would have to remain hidden (since threat of danger isn't a real one as shown already) and you respond PETER VAN PELS SHE CHANGED HER NAME AND WROTE STUFF STILL

[Okeanos]

I can't be bothered to contradict every point you've made individually, but it was all wrong. Anne DID leave her diary behind (are you foreign or something? do you not understand what the word 'behind' means?). Miep found it on the FLOOR. Your babbling rants are quite hard to understand to be honest.

[MightyMagician]

I'm extremely learned in the English language, you're not making any new points here nor are you clarifying anything previously written. I asked what motive an aspiring journalist would have to remain hidden (since threat of danger isn't a real one as shown already) and you respond PETER VAN PELS SHE CHANGED HER NAME AND WROTE STUFF STILL
Actually Anne wrote that she wanted one person that could actually understand and appreciate her, which Peter did. Yes there was a danger, nazi fugitives wanting to kill a witness if she came public. And I said she could still write books and you wouldn't know, not "she did".

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I can't be bothered to contradict every point you've made individually, but it was all wrong. Anne DID leave her diary behind (are you foreign or something? do you not understand what the word 'behind' means?). Miep found it on the FLOOR. Your babbling rants are quite hard to understand to be honest.
Having your diary thrown on the floor from a suitcase isn't leaving it behind. And tbh forgetting it wasn't her fault, seeing as the arresting officer wanted her to hurry.

[Okeanos]

Having your diary thrown on the floor from a suitcase isn't leaving it behind. And tbh forgetting it wasn't her fault, seeing as the arresting officer wanted her to hurry.

I don't know why you're attaching intent to the word behind. It DOES NOT MATTER if she intended to take it with her, it was left BEHIND. Jesus, it's like talking to a 5 year old.

[MightyMagician]

I don't know why you're attaching intent to the word behind. It DOES NOT MATTER if she intended to take it with her, it was left BEHIND. Jesus, it's like talking to a 5 year old.
Then why not just say it was left behind instead of saying she left it behind?

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The Don, I asked you a question. Answer it please.

[Okeanos]

Then why not just say it was left behind instead of saying she left it behind?

Because she did leave it behind. She did so unintentionally, but that does not matter. She either took it with her, or she left it behind. Why don't you understand this? There is no middle option.

[MightyMagician]

Because she did leave it behind. She did so unintentionally, but that does not matter. She either took it with her, or she left it behind. Why don't you understand this? There is no middle option.
Because the middle option is what happened.

[Okeanos]

Because the middle option is what happened.

You are a buffoon.

[MightyMagician]

I'm a stupid troll. This so much.

[FlyingJesus]

Actually Anne wrote that she wanted one person that could actually understand and appreciate her, which Peter did. Yes there was a danger, nazi fugitives wanting to kill a witness if she came public. And I said she could still write books and you wouldn't know, not "she did".

There were no murderous Nazi fugitives, she was dead long before publication of the diaries (as was Peter...), and you're still not providing a motive. Your entire theory requires several very well-known deaths to have been falsified and whole groups of people to just disappear into quiet lives of nothingness when their very characters show that they would not have done such a thing

[MightyMagician]

2 people isn't whole groups.

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The Don, still waiting for your reply.

[FlyingJesus]

Anne, Margot, Peter, you keep adding more and more zombies to your story

[MightyMagician]

Since when did I say Peter was alive? I just said he was somebody Anne wanted - a person who understood and appreciated her.

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The Don, if you have the balls to call me by my real name then please tell me who you are. Really, I'm curious.