Are you racist?

[Sharon]

Didn't know if this was a thread worth making because I don't know if anyone is gonna step out and be like "Yep I'm super racist" but it's Habbox there's all sorts of people around these days :rolleyes:

I'm not. I know what it's like to be on the receiving end of racism since obv Chinese living in England wasn't a smooth operation in my life and will never be lol. When I was younger it really got to me and I literally hated my parents because I needed someone to blame for being Chinese (lol good one Shaz) n it just felt like I was super different therefore super ugly ha as if there was something wrong with me. That prob phased out in high school within the first year or so. Obv still get the odd remark now here and there on the street now or if I'm in an argument and they have nothing else on me but the difference is I know I'm NOT unattractive, not sure if that's big headed but I just acknowledge that I'm not ugly which I felt like I used to be made out to be and believed for a long time. Dealing with it used to be so hard cos I'd just cry as soon as one word was said cos I took it sooooo personally. Now I feel like great to be different from everyone else, if I was given the choice now I would never change my race. It's something I'm now proud of rly.

Now I just know what it feels like n know that someone could feel like I did or even worse which I'd never wish upon someone. I'd never in a million years say be racist to someone lmao even as a last resort. I don't tend to have racist thoughts either which I think people may own up to, and I can kind of see reasoning why you would

[scottish]

I'm not racist unless you count referring to chiense takeaway as a chinky racist.

[Kardan]

No, but I do find myself in situations where I hope someone thinks I'm not being racist.

For example, this summer I was on a plane journey from the UK to the US, and some tall black guy decided to stretch his legs and spent about 30 minutes stood by one of the emergency exits. I was playing my 3DS, and occasionally I'd just look around, see where the air stewardesses were, and he'd always end up staring at me and I'd end up making eye contact with him, and I hope he didn't think I was staring at him just because he was black or something.

But then does that make me partially racist for thinking that he might have been thinking I was being racist?

I have family members that are racist (the older generation) and it does my head in, especially when they refer to people from the Middle East as 'black' when they mean Asian (they only see Chinese/Japanese/Koreans as Asian I guess).

[buttons]

id like to think im not but i do get nervous around muslims in *certain circumstances* so i guess you could argue i am. i don't consciously discriminate against any race though i don't think.

[karter]

Can't say? No one can actually say for sure that they're not racist so..

I have made some distasteful and offensive jokes and had the general thinking that my race (kashmiri) was better than all indian races so yea that

anyway i've improved and can only hope to improve more?

[Inseriousity.]

Not consciously no, where I am being prejudiced without realising could happen. Then again kardan's story happened to me as well but it was a white guy. he kept doing these nervous glances and all he had was a backpack so coupled with my wild imagination, it was very uncomfortable.

My family can be prejudiced sometimes and I argue with them about it so I like to think I'm not racist and accept people regardless of their skin colour.

[Sharon]

id like to think im not but i do get nervous around muslims in *certain circumstances* so i guess you could argue i am. i don't consciously discriminate against any race though i don't think.

yh i've had this when i walked down the manchester curry mile which is basically where ALL of the manchester muslim community goes. it was about 12 at night and there was just so many pervs looking me up and down n obv it scared me n made me nervous and gave me some thoughts bout the muslim men but i'd be the same if it was english men or w.e too creeps are creeps

[buttons]

i don't feel scared of muslim men just hanging around lol i will admit tho that being on public transport with them makes my stomach turn. i wouldn't go moving from them or make a big deal or spout racism because i KNOW there's a chance anyone of any background can blow up transport but i guess it's been instilled in me. i want to change it but the automatic feeling of nervousness/fear is deep-rooted in me. i blame my obsession of watching 9/11 videos.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't judge people on the colour of their skin (which is what true racism is), I judge them on their personality/cultural attitudes. Do I enjoy racist jokes? Absolutely, I find them hiliarious. But then I enjoy dark humour on a whole host of groups/subjects: Church, Islam, Gays, murder - you name it.

In arguments and banter with ethnic friends I haven't purposely said something in anger about skin colour, although on a banter level I will rip them on that level sometimes - but then I got ripped on that level and called a **** daily throughout school. It didn't harm me, it was just a joke.

I think i'm pretty normal in that regard like most Britons; not racist, but then we haven't got time for politically correct nail biting either.

[Stephen]

I get nervous around muslims on public transport. I couldn't wait to get off the bus when a muslim came on with a bag when i was younger :( i feel bad because they were probably really nice people but i just think 7/7 and stuff which causes my imagination to imagine bad things :(

but i get nervous like that all the time. Like today i walked my dog and some guy was talking to another guy saying im just gonna get the dog then we'll go to blahblah.. my heart jumped and i power walked away thinking they meant they were gonna steal my dog :(:¬:

anyway i laugh at racist jokes if that counts

[Aiden]

I think that most people have some form of racism. I know that I really dislike the fact that the UK is becoming more and more non-white. Also I find I rarely have a problem with white-Americans or French people moving to the UK but I do if they come from a poorer nation.

I guess I also find black young people more 'scary' than white youths. :/

[FlyingJesus]

Nah pretty much hate and fear everyone in equal parts

[hairpins]

no nawt rasist jus fell nevus a rownd muslemz on tha bus lyke every1 sed
mi frind iz rasist coz he votz 4 UKIP

[karter]

I think that most people have some form of racism. I know that I really dislike the fact that the UK is becoming more and more non-white. Also I find I rarely have a problem with white-Americans or French people moving to the UK but I do if they come from a poorer nation.

I guess I also find black young people more 'scary' than white youths. :/

a 'Yes' would've sufficed

[Aiden]

a 'Yes' would've sufficed

I don't think it would. I prefer communities with different religions and cultures and races but I also think that Britain is a 'white' country and should stay that way. It's just odd going into some towns and seeing a majority of people that aren't British and don't speak English or separate themselves from British people all together.



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[karter]

I thought you were okay with French coming in though? and people "coming from a poorer nation" doesn't necessarily mean that they are unable to speak English or they're keen on separating themselves from the population. You're practically saying you're okay with white immigration and not anything else. A yes would've sufficed.

[Sharon]

I don't think it would. I prefer communities with different religions and cultures and races but I also think that Britain is a 'white' country and should stay that way. It's just odd going into some towns and seeing a majority of people that aren't British and don't speak English or separate themselves from British people all together.



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so basically you fine with anyone as long as they look white? judging this by the fact you're okay with french and white looking american people coming in. brill view

it's never going to be a white country sorry to disappoint

[Aiden]

I, alongside most people I know, without thinking see the word immigrants and think of poorer countries or people 'snatching' jobs off the British people. But I know very few people who thinks of 'that American immigrant' even though there are some. Maybe this is because we're all racist where I live or we just don't fully understand the word and just presume things. But this what you might class as racism is just the stereotypes that I follow.

I don't actually think I'm fully racist but might believe in some things that could be defined as racist. I don't use racist slur for a corner shop or my black friends and I wouldn't not be friends with someone because they're not white.





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[wixard]

omg lol at skandair

no i'm not racist, i know it's very easy to say but i genuinely believe it

[Aiden]

so basically you fine with anyone as long as they look white? judging this by the fact you're okay with french and white looking american people coming in. brill view

Nope, I just want Britain to remain as I feel it should be, a majority white country that celebrates diversity but doesn't have to influence it.


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[Sharon]

i laugh when people say that 'immigrants are taking all the jobs' maybe JUST maybe it's because there might be some foreigners that were better candidates than some TOTALLY DESERVING BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE british people that were denied the job or can't find one after looking for about 10 minutes. also, it seems to be the ones that have been on the dole for years that use the petty excuse that immigrants are taking jobs. either that or just ignorant people that need to get a real grip on life

[merier]

Nope, I just want Britain to remain as I feel it should be, a majority white country that celebrates diversity but doesn't have to influence it.

You're against influencing diversity? I think you need to work better at getting your point across because you're not doing a great job at the moment

I would like to think that I'm not racist, I believe you should judge somebody based on their character not their ethnicity

[Aiden]

I have no problem with people from around the world having jobs in the UK. I never understood why people got upset over it in the first place.

I think whatever I say it's not going to be what you believe and that's fine. I'm not trying to upset you or stop letting people from abroad join the UK. It's just what I think and it's more than likely that by time I'm at the age to vote my opinions might of shifted.


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[Kardan]

I don't think it would. I prefer communities with different religions and cultures and races but I also think that Britain is a 'white' country and should stay that way. It's just odd going into some towns and seeing a majority of people that aren't British and don't speak English or separate themselves from British people all together.



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So what happens to all the black British?

That always really gets to me, so many people, when talking about this sort of thing are all like 'Britain should be full of white British people' but not 'Britain should be full of British people'.

[Aiden]

So what happens to all the black British?

Nothing will happen to them... Nothing should happen to any races living in the UK. There's nothing humane that can or should be done to 'remove' black or asian people from the UK.

[Kardan]

i laugh when people say that 'immigrants are taking all the jobs' maybe JUST maybe it's because there might be some foreigners that were better candidates than some TOTALLY DESERVING BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE british people that were denied the job or can't find one after looking for about 10 minutes. also, it seems to be the ones that have been on the dole for years that use the petty excuse that immigrants are taking jobs. either that or just ignorant people that need to get a real grip on life

Pretty much my point of view as well. Whenever people talking about 'Europeans stealing our jobs' I say to them that a hard-working European who is trying to support their family deserves the job way more than a British family who is quite content with living off of benefits and doing absolutely nothing to benefit the community.

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Nothing will happen to them... Nothing should happen to any races living in the UK. There's nothing humane that can or should be done to 'remove' black or asian people from the UK.

Well what's your point of view of black British people then. Because you say you want Britain to be full of white people, but just because they're black (for example) doesn't make them any less British than you or I.

As I said before, I can at least understand what people mean when they say they want Britain to be full of British people (I don't agree, but at least it makes sense), but saying it should be full of white British is completely clueless to me.

[Kyle]

I'm not racist or xenophobic, I love different cultures and ethnicities more than my own. sorry if this is deemed racist but up close, people from cultures do stink a bit because of their diet. doesn't mean I wouldn't talk to them or accept them. people are people, they're all interesting to me. x

[Evanora]

yh anwd wot u goin do about it

[-:Undertaker:-]

i laugh when people say that 'immigrants are taking all the jobs' maybe JUST maybe it's because there might be some foreigners that were better candidates than some TOTALLY DESERVING BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE british people that were denied the job or can't find one after looking for about 10 minutes. also, it seems to be the ones that have been on the dole for years that use the petty excuse that immigrants are taking jobs. either that or just ignorant people that need to get a real grip on life

Or maybe there's actually an argument when all lower wage jobs are being taken by immigrants and unskilled British workers are being overlooked by companies which prefer to hire and advertise abroad simply because they can then avoid working regulations and the minimum wage?

Indeed, your generalising description of the British working class as all being lazy and useless is rather ignorant in itself.


So what happens to all the black British?

That always really gets to me, so many people, when talking about this sort of thing are all like 'Britain should be full of white British people' but not 'Britain should be full of British people'.

But why should they talk about that? Multiculturalism (not multiracialism), something which the main parties have pushed for years now, preaches the opposite, that there is no British culture and that we should just allow as many people in and possible and that the host country should bend to their will as opposed to making sure immigrants integrate. We've seen this argued by you and others on this forum time after time again.

That is the result of multiculturalism; parallel communities who have nothing to do with one another and alienation.

[Aiden]

Pretty much my point of view as well. Whenever people talking about 'Europeans stealing our jobs' I say to them that a hard-working European who is trying to support their family deserves the job way more than a British family who is quite content with living off of benefits and doing absolutely nothing to benefit the community.

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Well what's your point of view of black British people then. Because you say you want Britain to be full of white people, but just because they're black (for example) doesn't make them any less British than you or I.

As I said before, I can at least understand what people mean when they say they want Britain to be full of British people (I don't agree, but at least it makes sense), but saying it should be full of white British is completely clueless to me.

I don't think I've said that Britain should be exclusive to white people but Britain at the moment is mainly white people and that's how I think it should be. I guess I'm proud to be British and white and I personally feel that the UK is one of the greatest places on Earth in history and the present and it shouldn't stop change so much because that's not what it was about.

I don't class Emma Watson as French because she was born in Paris, so I don't class two Spanish parent's child as British even if it was born in the UK. I guess things do change but that British people should celebrate being actual British and that should stay in the mainstream.

[buttons]

I'm not racist or xenophobic, I love different cultures and ethnicities more than my own. sorry if this is deemed racist but up close, people from cultures do stink a bit because of their diet. doesn't mean I wouldn't talk to them or accept them. people are people, they're all interesting to me. x
yea but British ppl smell bad too, thts why we wash everyday n wear deodorant lol apparently meat makes u smell bad

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the UK is one of the greatest places on Earth in history and the present and it shouldn't stop change so much because that's not what it was about.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

if you're proud of being british, then im ashamed to be british by your views

[Sharon]

Or maybe there's actually an argument when all lower wage jobs are being taken by immigrants and unskilled British workers are being overlooked by companies which prefer to hire and advertise abroad simply because they can then avoid working regulations and the minimum wage?

you fall into the "either that or just ignorant people that need to get a real grip on life"

the generalizations you make are ridiculous

[Kyle]

low skilled jobs are taken by immigrants because it's immigrants who run those companies

[-:Undertaker:-]

low skilled jobs are taken by immigrants because it's immigrants who run those companies

Isn't that discrimination against native British workers?

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you fall into the "either that or just ignorant people that need to get a real grip on life"

the generalizations you make are ridiculous

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[Kardan]

Or maybe there's actually an argument when all lower wage jobs are being taken by immigrants and unskilled British workers are being overlooked by companies which prefer to hire and advertise abroad simply because they can then avoid working regulations and the minimum wage?

Indeed, your generalising description of the British working class as all being lazy and useless is rather ignorant in itself.



But why should they talk about that? Multiculturalism (not multiracialism), something which the main parties have pushed for years now, preaches the opposite, that there is no British culture and that we should just allow as many people in and possible and that the host country should bend to their will as opposed to making sure immigrants integrate. We've seen this argued by you and others on this forum time after time again.

That is the result of multiculturalism; parallel communities who have nothing to do with one another and alienation.

How can we possibly have a debate when you just talk crap? Letting as many people in as possible? Heck, nobody is in my garden at the moment, better get some foreigners in!

Even if you removed every single person that isn't British from this country, you are still going to have different cultures.

[Jurv]

er no i wouldn't say i was racist

i sometimes say the n word but not in an offensive way or in public. usually for banter or w/e lol i can't explain

[-:Undertaker:-]

How can we possibly have a debate when you just talk crap? Letting as many people in as possible? Heck, nobody is in my garden at the moment, better get some foreigners in!

Even if you removed every single person that isn't British from this country, you are still going to have different cultures.

Are you serious? Do you not understand EU immigration? Have you not seen the numbers? Do you even understand multiculturalism? Who can deny that mass immigration over the past decade has created areas where by they're basically completely foreign? Only you.

You're beyond belief, and yet there you go again - trying to equate the differences between Yorkshire and Lancashire with Britain and Kenya as though the importation of hundreds of thousands of alien cultures into this country is even remotely comparable to historical cultures here.

I literally can't believe you do a degree sometimes. On second thoughts, actually I can.

[Sharon]

Isn't that discrimination against native British workers?

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[Kardan]

Are you serious? Do you not understand EU immigration? Have you not seen the numbers? Do you even understand multiculturalism? Who can deny that mass immigration over the past decade has created areas where by they're basically completely foreign? Only you.

You're beyond belief, and yet there you go again - trying to equate the differences between Yorkshire and Lancashire with Britain and Kenya as though the importation of hundreds of thousands of alien cultures into this country is even remotely comparable to historical cultures here.

I literally can't believe you do a degree sometimes. On second thoughts, actually I can.

No, every time I go into one of your threads and start spouting numbers I just make them up from the top of my head.

Also, are you saying that hundreds of thousands of alien cultures have come into the UK? And they're all damaging the 1, singular, British culture?

100,000 against 1? Really?

And not sure what me doing a degree has to do with it, but I've already graduated, so I'm not actually doing a degree anymore.

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And if there's HUNDREDS of thousands of alien cultures, let's pick the smallest possible number of those: 100,000.

Then let's assume that EVERY SINGLE PERSON that isn't White British is some sort of foreign person that has some alien culture. Once again, this is an over exaggeration, because this means that of these 8.1 million people, it includes Black British, Asian British etc.

So these 8.1 million people have 100,000 alien cultures - that's an average of 81 people per culture. Then you would also need to assume that these people were all grouped together in the same part of the country, so if you had one alien culture in London, you wouldn't be able to find it in another part of the country.

So, we have an alien culture of 81 people, making the 1 British culture, which almost surely has more than 81 Brits in that area, made feel foreign? If anything, the large amounts of apparently alien cultures will make each other feel foreign?

Then of course if you take away the assumptions, so there's less than 8.1 million non-Brits, there's more than just the 100,000 alien cultures, and they are indeed spread over the country - kind of makes the whole hundreds of thousands of alien cultures part sound a bit not true.

Seriously, that must have been your biggest exaggeration ever.

[Sticky-Note]

Is it just me or do people on this forum make the UK seem like an extremely egotistical country.

(As in the people from the UK making the UK look bad with their warped ideals of how a country should be)

[buttons]

Is it just me or do people on this forum make the UK seem like an extremely egotistical country.

(As in the people from the UK making the UK look bad with their warped ideals of how a country should be)
nope i think the same and i live here. they disgust me. as u can see, there are literally 2 people with the 'british only' mentality in here and a dozen more who disagree, so don't think this egotistical nature defines us all plz

[Sticky-Note]

nope i think the same and i live here. they disgust me. as u can see, there are literally 2 people with the 'british only' mentality in here and a dozen more who disagree, so don't think this egotistical nature defines us all plz

I never said it defined you all. But individuals from that country are creating negative stereotypes. That's really the only point I was making.

[lemons]

yes sometimes but usually as a joke or stereotypes

i live in london so i'm use to all cultures races and beliefs :)

[FlyingJesus]

unskilled British workers are being overlooked by companies which prefer to hire and advertise abroad simply because they can then avoid working regulations and the minimum wage

No they can't. If they do, that's illegal and not actually part of the system at all, therefore the jobs aren't being "taken" (not that they can be anyway, that's a ridiculous notion) in this scenario since they don't really exist


British people should celebrate being actual British and that should stay in the mainstream.

What, in your eyes, constitutes "being actual British"? Genuinely interested as this is something Dan often comes out with and then fails to elaborate on, so wondering if you can do it or if it's just baseless rhetoric used by bigots to justify not liking anything that they're not used to

[Aiden]

What, in your eyes, constitutes "being actual British"? Genuinely interested as this is something Dan often comes out with and then fails to elaborate on, so wondering if you can do it or if it's just baseless rhetoric used by bigots to justify not liking anything that they're not used to

I would say a British person is someone with at least one parent that's born in one of the countries in the UK and their parents and grandparents etc were* born to a British family. If that makes sense?

[Kyle]

I would say a British person is someone with at least one parent that's born in one of the countries in the UK and their parents and grandparents etc weren't born to a British family. If that makes sense?
no it doesnt. someone is british if 1 of their parents is british, but their parents and grandparents arent british? wat?

[Aiden]

no it doesnt. someone is british if 1 of their parents is british, but their parents and grandparents arent british? wat?

I mean were* sorry

[Sharon]

Is it just me or do people on this forum make the UK seem like an extremely egotistical country.

(As in the people from the UK making the UK look bad with their warped ideals of how a country should be)

er yes theres about 2 members that have that opinion on here, but a lot more that disagree and think everything being said is pathetic

[FlyingJesus]

I would say a British person is someone with at least one parent that's born in one of the countries in the UK and their parents and grandparents etc were* born to a British family. If that makes sense?

So not anything to do with some false notion of a "culture" that we all adhere to then, just a matter of heritage. That makes a lot more sense than what some people try to claim :P fair enough

[-:Undertaker:-]

No, every time I go into one of your threads and start spouting numbers I just make them up from the top of my head.

Also, are you saying that hundreds of thousands of alien cultures have come into the UK? And they're all damaging the 1, singular, British culture?

100,000 against 1? Really?

And not sure what me doing a degree has to do with it, but I've already graduated, so I'm not actually doing a degree anymore.

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And if there's HUNDREDS of thousands of alien cultures, let's pick the smallest possible number of those: 100,000.

Then let's assume that EVERY SINGLE PERSON that isn't White British is some sort of foreign person that has some alien culture. Once again, this is an over exaggeration, because this means that of these 8.1 million people, it includes Black British, Asian British etc.

So these 8.1 million people have 100,000 alien cultures - that's an average of 81 people per culture. Then you would also need to assume that these people were all grouped together in the same part of the country, so if you had one alien culture in London, you wouldn't be able to find it in another part of the country.

So, we have an alien culture of 81 people, making the 1 British culture, which almost surely has more than 81 Brits in that area, made feel foreign? If anything, the large amounts of apparently alien cultures will make each other feel foreign?

Then of course if you take away the assumptions, so there's less than 8.1 million non-Brits, there's more than just the 100,000 alien cultures, and they are indeed spread over the country - kind of makes the whole hundreds of thousands of alien cultures part sound a bit not true.

Seriously, that must have been your biggest exaggeration ever.

My friend, you are talking rubbish and your argument can be debunked right here (first question)....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxpDGo1Dtb8

The argument as Douglas Murray says isn't that one person from a foreign culture is coming into this country, or even two or a hundred - the issue is that hundreds of thousands, even millions have come in (more from certain countries and cultures than others, ie Poland and Pakistan) and have settled together and basically colonised and ghettoised entire inner city areas. This in turn drives out the native population and culture, which prevents social integration taking place between the newcomers and the host country taking place.

Now, instead of talking garbage and skating around the issue - attempt to combat everything I just wrote.

Do you not believe that integration should take place?


Is it just me or do people on this forum make the UK seem like an extremely egotistical country.

(As in the people from the UK making the UK look bad with their warped ideals of how a country should be)

You consider the idea that immigrants should make efforts to integrate with the country they've moved to egotistical or bad?


nope i think the same and i live here. they disgust me. as u can see, there are literally 2 people with the 'british only' mentality in here and a dozen more who disagree, so don't think this egotistical nature defines us all plz

If nationality, culture and identity doesn't matter or even exist - why do you want Scottish independence?


No they can't. If they do, that's illegal and not actually part of the system at all, therefore the jobs aren't being "taken" (not that they can be anyway, that's a ridiculous notion) in this scenario since they don't really exist

Well actually, you're wrong there. Whilst it may be illegal, it is almost impossible to police due to EU open borders which mean anybody can move in and as it is all done off the books (a key feature of the third world) it's impossible to even track.

Added to that, the last government even went out of it's way to bring more people in: https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=xxxLUumlFITVtAaj1YDQBA#q=labour+search+parties

And also, you asked somewhere what British culture can even be defined as despite me answering this a few times. It's speaking the English language. It's the Monarchy. It's our concept of common law and liberty. It's our humour, our cuisine. Our faith. It's our tales, poems and folklore. It's our accents. It's our adversial political system. It's our shared bond with the Anglosphere. It's our sense of history and identity. It's the sacrifices that generations have made in past wars. It's our music, it's our writings, it's our philisophy, our sports, our pub culture, it's our scientific achievements, our architecture........ and I could go on and on and on.

You will not hide behind the idea that we don't have a culture worth defending and preserving because we bloody well do.


er yes theres about 2 members that have that opinion on here, but a lot more that disagree and think everything being said is pathetic

Opinion polling across Britain regularly shows a large majority believing that immigration is the number one issue facing the country, with increasing numbers (and a comfortable majority) wanting tighter immigration controls.

So whilst the tumblr crew on here may think they are the majority, you really aren't out there in the real world.

[Kardan]

My friend, you are talking rubbish and your argument can be debunked right here (first question)....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxpDGo1Dtb8

The argument as Douglas Murray says isn't that one person from a foreign culture is coming into this country, or even two or a hundred - the issue is that hundreds of thousands, even millions have come in (more from certain countries and cultures than others, ie Poland and Pakistan) and have settled together and basically colonised and ghettoised entire inner city areas. This in turn drives out the native population and culture, which prevents social integration taking place between the newcomers and the host country taking place.

Now, instead of talking garbage and skating around the issue - attempt to combat everything I just wrote.

Do you not believe that integration should take place?



You consider the idea that immigrants should make efforts to integrate with the country they've moved to egotistical or bad?



If nationality, culture and identity doesn't matter or even exist - why do you want Scottish independence?



Well actually, you're wrong there. Whilst it may be illegal, it is almost impossible to police due to EU open borders which mean anybody can move in and as it is all done off the books (a key feature of the third world) it's impossible to even track.

Added to that, the last government even went out of it's way to bring more people in: https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=xxxLUumlFITVtAaj1YDQBA#q=labour+search+parties

And also, you asked somewhere what British culture can even be defined as despite me answering this a few times. It's speaking the English language. It's the Monarchy. It's our concept of common law and liberty. It's our humour, our cuisine. Our faith. It's our tales, poems and folklore. It's our accents. It's our adversial political system. It's our shared bond with the Anglosphere. It's our sense of history and identity. It's the sacrifices that generations have made in past wars. It's our music, it's our writings, it's our philisophy, our sports, our pub culture, it's our scientific achievements, our architecture........ and I could go on and on and on.

You will not hide behind the idea that we don't have a culture worth defending and preserving because we bloody well do.



Opinion polling across Britain regularly shows a large majority believing that immigration is the number one issue facing the country, with increasing numbers (and a comfortable majority) wanting tighter immigration controls.

So whilst the tumblr crew on here may think they are the majority, you really aren't out there in the real world.

So you just ignored everything I said basically? Anyway, give me an example, what sorts of British culture have been driven out of Birmingham because of ethnic minorities moving in?

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dw aiden he did the same to me. he ignored what i actually said then twisted the words into something i did not say, weird huh.

[Kardan]

And -:Undertaker:-; can you name a 1st world country that doesn't have ghettos?

[-:Undertaker:-]

So you just ignored everything I said basically? Anyway, give me an example, what sorts of British culture have been driven out of Birmingham because of ethnic minorities moving in?

Well yes, because you are talking complete nonsense.

But thankfully, you've picked up on my point at last even if you haven't actually answered my question concerning whether or not immigrants should be expected to integrate with the host culture. In answer though, to these ghettoised areas, talk and read about them or watch various documentaries..... you only had to watch the one on the BBC the other week which I caught a glimpse of where an old couple described how they couldn't buy normal vegtables on their local high street anymore. Why? Because the area had been completely taken over by foreigners who had arrived in the past decade, who had subsquently driven all of the British shops away. That's just a small example of alienation.

Increasingly even in Liverpool I am hearing foreign languages on the bus or the train meaning I cannot even talk to my fellow passengers and fellow countrymen should I want to, or even ask a question. In Hull, the place of my higher education, I was only talking to an older hairdresser who described how since the Kurdish had moved into the area, bars and nightclubs had shut down due to British women feeling unsafe as well as all of the local high street basically being turned into a Kurdish-only high street.

For a society and a nation to function, it requires broad shared values and a shared culture. Do you not agree?

[Kardan]

Well yes, because you are talking complete nonsense.

But thankfully, you've picked up on my point at last even if you haven't actually answered my question concerning whether or not immigrants should be expected to integrate with the host culture. In answer though, to these ghettoised areas, talk and read about them or watch various documentaries..... you only had to watch the one on the BBC the other week which I caught a glimpse of where an old couple described how they couldn't buy normal vegtables on their local high street anymore. Why? Because the area had been completely taken over by foreigners who had arrived in the past decade, who had subsquently driven all of the British shops away. That's just a small example of alienation.

Increasingly even in Liverpool I am hearing foreign languages on the bus or the train meaning I cannot even talk to my fellow passengers and fellow countrymen should I want to, or even ask a question. In Hull, the place of my higher education, I was only talking to an older hairdresser who described how since the Kurdish had moved into the area, bars and nightclubs had shut down due to British women feeling unsafe as well as all of the local high street basically being turned into a Kurdish-only high street.

For a society and a nation to function, it requires broad shared values and a shared culture. Do you not agree?

Oh cool, I didn't know that if you spoke another language it meant you didn't speak English. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

And once again, ignoring what I said. Can you give me some examples of British culture being driven out of Birmingham?

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dw aiden he did the same to me. he ignored what i actually said then twisted the words into something i did not say, weird huh.

Answer my question regarding immigration, do you or do you not agree with me that integration for immigrants is important for a society?


And -:Undertaker:-; can you name a 1st world country that doesn't have ghettos?

Increasingly not, and my question is - at what point do these ghettos begin to dominate major cities? Should there be a limit to it in your view?

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"Answer my question regarding immigration, do you or do you not agree with me that integration for immigrants is important for a society?"
nope not necessarily and even if they did i don't think they need to do that by completely disregarding their own religion or customs. i think different cultures and different beliefs are important to society as it brings along different ideas for business etc.....

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Oh cool, I didn't know that if you spoke another language it meant you didn't speak English. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Why are they still speaking their foreign language to one another in public in Britain if they consider themselves British?

Answer: Because whilst they live here, they don't actually feel British at all apart from the passport they hold. And I find that depressingly sad.


And once again, ignoring what I said. Can you give me some examples of British culture being driven out of Birmingham?

I just gave you an example of an area of Hull that I knew in regards to Kurdish immigration. I could give you the example of how English is being replaced in Tower Hamlets even in the council chambers (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/foreign-languages-banned-at-tower-hamlets-elections-over-transparency-fears-9575027.html). I could give you the example of the BBC show which I just did where an older couple described how they cannot even find normal vegtables on their local high street anymore.

Use your head a bit and think about it. Will a huge influx of foreign people radically change the culture of an area? Yes, obviously.

[Kardan]

Answer my question regarding immigration, do you or do you not agree with me that integration for immigrants is important for a society?



Increasingly not, and my question is - at what point do these ghettos begin to dominate major cities? Should there be a limit to it in your view?

And avoiding my question again. Can you actually name (and by that, I mean typing out the name of a country!) a 1st world country that doesn't have ghettos?

And I don't know at what point ghettos begin to dominate, and how could you possibly put a limit on it? "Sorry, we have 63 Lithuanians living in this square mile, you can't move in".

[-:Undertaker:-]

"Answer my question regarding immigration, do you or do you not agree with me that integration for immigrants is important for a society?"
nope not necessarily and even if they did i don't think they need to do that by completely disregarding their own religion or customs. i think different cultures and different beliefs are important to society as it brings along different ideas for business etc.....


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[Kardan]

Why are they still speaking their foreign language to one another in public in Britain if they consider themselves British?

Answer: Because whilst they live here, they don't actually feel British at all apart from the passport they hold. And I find that depressingly sad.



I just gave you an example of an area of Hull that I knew in regards to Kurdish immigration. I could give you the example of how English is being replaced in Tower Hamlets even in the council chambers (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/foreign-languages-banned-at-tower-hamlets-elections-over-transparency-fears-9575027.html). I could give you the example of the BBC show which I just did where an older couple described how they cannot even find normal vegtables on their local high street anymore.

Use your head a bit and think about it. Will a huge influx of foreign people radically change the culture of an area? Yes, obviously.

When did I say they consider themselves British? I simply said people speaking a foreign language =/= can't speak English. Surely that's obvious.

Oh, and wow. You know how every single person that has moved to Britain feels? Wow. That's some talent right there.

And yes, those examples are all very nice (British culture = British vegetables, nice to know!), but give me an example about how British culture is being driven out of Birmingham.

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And avoiding my question again. Can you actually name (and by that, I mean typing out the name of a country!) a 1st world country that doesn't have ghettos?

I think i've made it pretty clear that most first world countries now have embarked on mass third world immigration.

From the huge rise in rape in Sweden, to the killings of those who dare criticise Islam in the Netherlands: it's akin to national suicide.


And I don't know at what point ghettos begin to dominate, and how could you possibly put a limit on it? "Sorry, we have 63 Lithuanians living in this square mile, you can't move in".

So keep the borders wide open then and make no efforts to have people become a part of their culture?

Can you just come out and say that is what you want so I can end this pointless discussion?

[Kardan]

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Good luck to the Jews, gay people and women in these areas though, they're going to need it - especially in Islamic ghettoised areas.

But surely there's no Jews in the Islamic areas if we're all living in separate cultures? :P

Also not entirely sure that wishing rape to be foisted upon someone is a particularly good thing to say.

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Good luck to the Jews, gay people and women in these areas though, they're going to need it - especially in Islamic ghettoised areas.
sooooooo if immigrants don't integrate into society, they will rape and rob me? are you saying that's what the cultures outside of britain are rife with? cause of course no brits would ever do that?
why dont we keep the good people of any culture/religion/race and get rid of the bad people..
this is where the BRITAIN FOR BRITISH doesn't work cause plenty of our british people are scumbags, compared to the honest decent immigrants who want a better life

[Kardan]

I think i've made it pretty clear that most first world countries now have embarked on mass third world immigration.

From the huge rise in rape in Sweden, to the killings of those who dare criticise Islam in the Netherlands: it's akin to national suicide.



So keep the borders wide open then and make no efforts to have people become a part of their culture?

Can you just come out and say that is what you want so I can end this pointless discussion?

Umm... no.

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When did I say they consider themselves British? I simply said people speaking a foreign language =/= can't speak English. Surely that's obvious.

Exactly, so you've taken on my point that they make no effort to become a part of Britain.

Now is this good or not for the country and for social relations? it's a yes or no question.


Oh, and wow. You know how every single person that has moved to Britain feels? Wow. That's some talent right there.

I understand British attitudes towards immigration, yes.


And yes, those examples are all very nice (British culture = British vegetables, nice to know!), but give me an example about how British culture is being driven out of Birmingham.

What is the fixation with Birmingham?

But I just have given you an example of small cultural, day to day changes and you laughed it off as unimportant. And that's why people are pissed.

[Kardan]

Exactly, so you've taken on my point that they make no effort to become a part of Britain.

Now is this good or not for the country and for social relations? it's a yes or no question.



I understand British attitudes towards immigration, yes.



What is the fixation with Birmingham?

But I just have given you an example of small cultural, day to day changes and you laughed it off as unimportant. And that's why people are pissed.

But how are they British attitudes? You just said these people speaking foreign languages are only as British as their passports?

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sooooooo if immigrants don't integrate into society, they will rape and rob me? are you saying that's what the cultures outside of britain are rife wife? cause of course no brits would ever do that?
why dont we keep the good people of any culture/religion/race and get rid of the bad people..

Well actually, yes you certainly make that more probable.

Sweden for example is suffering from a rise in rape thanks to their mass Islamic immigration. (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=birmingham+mass+immigration&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=AmfyU5X7Fsq7ygPyvYCwCQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1280&bih=651&dpr=1#q=rape+in+stokcholm)

The Dutch Kingdom is suffering from civil unrest because a certain religion was dared criticised. (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=birmingham+mass+immigration&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=AmfyU5X7Fsq7ygPyvYCwCQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1280&bih=651&dpr=1#q=netherlands+islamic+riots)

Britain is suffering from radical extremism, with hundreds of 'Britons' going off to fight for a group worse than al-Qaeda. (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=birmingham+mass+immigration&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=AmfyU5X7Fsq7ygPyvYCwCQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1280&bih=651&dpr=1#q=british+isis+fighters)

It certainly is not wrong or ignorant to point how that in many non-western cultures around the world, there is more crime, more bigotry, more rape, more violence and more corruption. It's simply a fact of life, that certain groups are worse or better than others.


this is where the BRITAIN FOR BRITISH doesn't work cause plenty of our british people are scumbags, compared to the honest decent immigrants who want a better life

Where have I said or even implied I am against all immigration?


Umm... no.

So what are you arguing for then?

Either you are for integration or you are not, which is it instead of pissing me around endlessly?

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But how are they British attitudes? You just said these people speaking foreign languages are only as British as their passports?

I thought you were referring to the attitudes of the British public at large.

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But surely there's no Jews in the Islamic areas if we're all living in separate cultures? :P

I really hope that was a joke.


Also not entirely sure that wishing rape to be foisted upon someone is a particularly good thing to say.

I wish all the ills of mass immigration on those who advocate it but strangely don't live anywhere near it, especially the politicians.

[Kardan]

Well actually, yes you certainly make that more probable.

Sweden for example is suffering from a rise in rape thanks to their mass Islamic immigration. (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=birmingham+mass+immigration&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=AmfyU5X7Fsq7ygPyvYCwCQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1280&bih=651&dpr=1#q=rape+in+stokcholm)

The Dutch Kingdom is suffering from civil unrest because a certain religion was dared criticised. (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=birmingham+mass+immigration&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=AmfyU5X7Fsq7ygPyvYCwCQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1280&bih=651&dpr=1#q=netherlands+islamic+riots)

Britain is suffering from radical extremism, with hundreds of 'Britons' going off to fight for a group worse than al-Qaeda. (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=birmingham+mass+immigration&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=AmfyU5X7Fsq7ygPyvYCwCQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1280&bih=651&dpr=1#q=british+isis+fighters)

It certainly is not wrong or ignorant to point how that in many non-western cultures around the world, there is more crime, more bigotry, more rape, more violence and more corruption. It's simply a fact of life, that certain groups are worse or better than others.



Where have I said or even implied I am against all immigration?



So what are you arguing for then?

Either you are for integration or you are not, which is it instead of pissing me around endlessly?

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I thought you were referring to the attitudes of the British public at large.

You said:

Why are they still speaking their foreign language to one another in public in Britain if they consider themselves British?

Answer: Because whilst they live here, they don't actually feel British at all apart from the passport they hold. And I find that depressingly sad.

So how is that understand the British attitude towards immigration?

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You said:

Why are they still speaking their foreign language to one another in public in Britain if they consider themselves British?

Answer: Because whilst they live here, they don't actually feel British at all apart from the passport they hold. And I find that depressingly sad.

So how is that understand the British attitude towards immigration?

You've mixed them both, and so did I.

They don't feel British for the reasons I mentioned, ie living in ghettoised areas, not speaking the language and living together.

The part about understanding British attitudes towards mass immigration doesn't refer to immigrants, it refers to the population as a whole.

[Sharon]

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Good luck to the Jews, gay people and women in these areas though, they're going to need it - especially in Islamic ghettoised areas.

you're disgusting there's limits and you've crossed it

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you're disgusting there's limits and you've crossed it

If you advocate it from your ivory tower the you're being a hypocrite and not enjoying the diversity enough. Go live in it if it's so great. That's why I have always said that nothing will change regarding this issue until the politicians themselves face the consquences.

If third world immigration is allowed at huge numbers, with no integration (which is what you advocate) then YOU should face what comes of it.

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weirdly enough, none of my muslim friends (or any immigrant friends) have ever tried to rape me or steal from me
british guys however..................... must have been because of immigration!

[Sharon]

If you advocate it from your ivory tower the you're being a hypocrite and not enjoying the diversity enough. Go live in it if it's so great. That's why I have always said that nothing will change regarding this issue until the politicians themselves face the consquences.

If third world immigration is allowed at huge numbers, with no integration (which is what you advocate) then YOU should face what comes of it.

once again you are doing what you ALWAYS do and that is ignoring every word someone has just said to you and going off on a tangent that is completely unrelated and irrelevant

what you have said to jen was completely uncalled for and just cruel and disgusting, think about what the hell you're wishing upon people, it's sick.

[Kardan]

Well actually, yes you certainly make that more probable.

Sweden for example is suffering from a rise in rape thanks to their mass Islamic immigration. (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=birmingham+mass+immigration&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=AmfyU5X7Fsq7ygPyvYCwCQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1280&bih=651&dpr=1#q=rape+in+stokcholm)

The Dutch Kingdom is suffering from civil unrest because a certain religion was dared criticised. (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=birmingham+mass+immigration&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=AmfyU5X7Fsq7ygPyvYCwCQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1280&bih=651&dpr=1#q=netherlands+islamic+riots)

Britain is suffering from radical extremism, with hundreds of 'Britons' going off to fight for a group worse than al-Qaeda. (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=birmingham+mass+immigration&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=AmfyU5X7Fsq7ygPyvYCwCQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1280&bih=651&dpr=1#q=british+isis+fighters)

It certainly is not wrong or ignorant to point how that in many non-western cultures around the world, there is more crime, more bigotry, more rape, more violence and more corruption. It's simply a fact of life, that certain groups are worse or better than others.



Where have I said or even implied I am against all immigration?



So what are you arguing for then?

Either you are for integration or you are not, which is it instead of pissing me around endlessly?

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I thought you were referring to the attitudes of the British public at large.

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I really hope that was a joke.



I wish all the ills of mass immigration on those who advocate it but strangely don't live anywhere near it, especially the politicians.

If you read one of the first few links that appears for 'Rape in stockholm' you'll find that in Sweden they report rape differently to the majority of other countries (Including the UK and the US). If someone gets raped by their husband every day for a year, in Sweden that's 365 different cases of rape. In the UK/US it's counted as 1 in the crime statistics.

Also, does it mean that more rapes occur in Sweden than in the UK/US/Somewhere else? Not necessarily. It means more are REPORTED.

If you look at rape data, Sweden comes out on top, because of Muslims you say. Yet Sweden is beating all the other countries in the world, including the Islamic ones which should surely be higher if there's a direct correlation between number of Muslims and number of rapes, as you're trying to get at.

[-:Undertaker:-]

weirdly enough, none of my muslim friends have ever tried to rape me or steal from me
british guys however..................... must have been because of immigration!

Incapable of a serious discussion on the topic.


once again you are doing what you ALWAYS do and that is ignoring every word someone has just said to you and going off on a tangent that is completely unrelated and irrelevant

what you have said to jen was completely uncalled for and just cruel and disgusting, think about what the hell you're wishing upon people, it's sick.

You called me an ******* earlier because you couldn't answer my question, you are hardly one to preach.

And I didn't wish it on her personally - just that I would like to see her living in a 'diverse' community where that happens a lot more than usual.

[Sharon]

Incapable of a serious discussion on the topic.



You called me an ******* earlier because you couldn't answer my question, you are hardly one to preach.

And I didn't wish it on her personally - just that I would like to see her living in a 'diverse' community where that happens a lot more than usual.

oh yes because foreigners = more rape and crime because WHITE ARE SUPERIOR AND NEVER DO WRONG

and you did wish it on her personally, as soon as possible actually

[Dan2nd]

No, but I do find myself in situations where I hope someone thinks I'm not being racist.

I have this sometimes as well

I have a few friends and work colleagues who are Asian (Muslim mostly). They are all really nice laid back guys and we constantly take the mick out of each other, quite often there will be banter involving me being a 'posh white boy' and I'll often retort referring to some stereotype about them as well. We all see it as banter and laugh it off between ourselves but I do sometimes worry that things I say could be taken the wrong way.

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im not sure why me disproving your point that immigrants are more likely to rape than the disgusting british boys i've had the displeasure of being in the company of is not serious. i would not take rape so lightly unlike you wishing it on anyone who doesn't discriminate on immigrants.

[FlyingJesus]

My friend, you are talking rubbish and your argument can be debunked right here (first question)....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxpDGo1Dtb8

Why do you keep trotting out this video in response to things that aren't mentioned in it at all? It's a video of someone being asked genuine questions and replying with LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THIS COUNTRY as though that's being disputed anywhere


Well actually, you're wrong there. Whilst it may be illegal, it is almost impossible to police due to EU open borders which mean anybody can move in and as it is all done off the books (a key feature of the third world) it's impossible to even track.

...Which actually strengthens my point. These are not real jobs. Cheers.


And also, you asked somewhere what British culture can even be defined as despite me answering this a few times. It's speaking the English language. It's the Monarchy. It's our concept of common law and liberty. It's our humour, our cuisine. Our faith. It's our tales, poems and folklore. It's our accents. It's our adversial political system. It's our shared bond with the Anglosphere. It's our sense of history and identity. It's the sacrifices that generations have made in past wars. It's our music, it's our writings, it's our philisophy, our sports, our pub culture, it's our scientific achievements, our architecture........ and I could go on and on and on.

Yeah you're right everyone in Britain speaks the same, has the same sense of humour, eats the same food, has the same religion, reads the same books, sounds the same, feels a deep brotherhood for everyone around them, cares about the deeds of people with no relation to them, makes and appreciates the same music, shares exact ethical ideals, watches the same sports, loves beer, and builds Tudor houses. Wait no my bad, that's completely false. Whoops.


You will not hide behind the idea that we don't have a culture worth defending and preserving because we bloody well do.

I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm outright stating that everything that you put forth is provably nonsense


an old couple described how they couldn't buy normal vegtables on their local high street anymore. Why? Because the area had been completely taken over by foreigners who had arrived in the past decade, who had subsquently driven all of the British shops away.

What's a "normal" vegetable and why are you opposing capitalist business methods? Once again showing that you're completely against everything you pretend to like


Increasingly even in Liverpool I am hearing foreign languages on the bus or the train meaning I cannot even talk to my fellow passengers and fellow countrymen should I want to, or even ask a question

Funnily enough, one thing that IS a huge part of British culture is the fact that we're notorious for not speaking to strangers, especially on public transport. Your wish to do so is definitely going to cause the collapse of the entire nation because it differs from our history


Why are they still speaking their foreign language to one another in public in Britain if they consider themselves British?

Answer: Because whilst they live here, they don't actually feel British at all apart from the passport they hold. And I find that depressingly sad.

Real answer: because they can and they're comfortable doing so. Does sign language and texting also offend you because you can't join in?


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Just when I believed I couldn't think any lower of you you go and wish swift rape on someone for disagreeing with your barbaric bigotry. Utterly disgusted


From the huge rise in rape in Sweden

"In 2013, there were 5,887 rapes reported to the Swedish police — or 63 cases per 100,000 population — according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå), which is a 5 percent decrease from the previous year. The number of convictions have remained relatively unchanged since 2005, with approximately 190 convictions on average each year."

Try again


I understand British attitudes towards immigration, yes.

No, you understand your own view and the views of those within your circle jerk of alarmists, who thankfully do not run the country at the moment

[-:Undertaker:-]

If you read one of the first few links that appears for 'Rape in stockholm' you'll find that in Sweden they report rape differently to the majority of other countries (Including the UK and the US). If someone gets raped by their husband every day for a year, in Sweden that's 365 different cases of rape. In the UK/US it's counted as 1 in the crime statistics.

Also, does it mean that more rapes occur in Sweden than in the UK/US/Somewhere else? Not necessarily. It means more are REPORTED.

I wasn't comparing statistics, merely pointing out the rise of rape in areas which are ghettoised.

Women are treated as mere objects in the third world, bring the third world here and you'll get exactly that.


If you look at rape data, Sweden comes out on top, because of Muslims you say. Yet Sweden is beating all the other countries in the world, including the Islamic ones which should surely be higher if there's a direct correlation between number of Muslims and number of rapes, as you're trying to get at.

Islamic countries are mostly tinpot dictatorships with data as reliable as that coming from North Korea. But even if the data were to be believed, I would add the caveat that a lot of muslim women are basically considered the property of their husbands and that sex is likely seen as the right of the man whether or not the wife wants it or not.

Apples and oranges.

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oh yes because foreigners = more rape and crime because WHITE ARE SUPERIOR AND NEVER DO WRONG

and you did wish it on her personally, as soon as possible actually

Why are you bringing race into the discussion? It isn't about race.

Again, incapable of having a proper discussion.

[Sharon]

Why are you bringing race into the discussion? It isn't about race.

Again, incapable of having a proper discussion.

once again, can you not pick and choose which bits to reply to and address the fact you've been an absolutely disgusting idiot for wishing rape on someone just because they didn't agree with you

[FlyingJesus]

Deflecting your disgusting behaviour by claiming that other people can't discuss things properly (which is highly laughable considering your own lack of comprehension on just about everything) doesn't win you any points

[Kardan]

So basically in the world of Mr. Undertaker we can't have any Europeans, people from 3rd world countries, or anyone that speaks a foreign language.

So we've limited ourselves to the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand then. Definitely no Muslims in those countries. None at all.

[Aiden]

what about ireland? idk

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once again, can you not pick and choose which bits to reply to and address the fact you've been an absolutely disgusting idiot for wishing rape on someone just because they didn't agree with you

I didn't wish rape on Jen herself, and apologies to her if she's took it that way. I do however have the view that if people like yourself and Jen are going to advocate a policy that will result in more rape, more theft, more corruption: then I would rather you have to deal with it in your area than mine. I don't want myself, my family, my friends or any other Britons to suffer for your stupidity.

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So basically in the world of Mr. Undertaker we can't have any Europeans, people from 3rd world countries, or anyone that speaks a foreign language.

So we've limited ourselves to the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand then. Definitely no Muslims in those countries. None at all.

And again, you refuse point-blank to tell me whether or not you believe integration should be required for a society.

My position on immigration is very clear: limited numbers so that integration can take place once they have settled, they can come from anywhere in the world, no criminal records, those only that we need and a requirement of the English language.

Is that so radical? Or just common sense.

[FlyingJesus]

Yes you did, it's right there in the words that you wrote

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes you did, it's right there in the words that you wrote

Badly phrased then, but now it's clarified.

You want cultural ghettos? Fine, but you should go and live there and experience around you everything that comes with it.

[Kardan]

Rape Central.
Population: 2 (buttons and Sharon)

Anyone else?

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I didn't wish rape on Jen herself, and apologies to her if she's took it that way. I do however have the view that if people like yourself and Jen are going to advocate a policy that will result in more rape, more theft, more corruption: then I would rather you have to deal with it in your area than mine. I don't want myself, my family, my friends or any other Britons to suffer for your stupidity.

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And again, you refuse point-blank to tell me whether or not you believe integration should be required for a society.

My position on immigration is very clear: limited numbers so that integration can take place once they have settled, they can come from anywhere in the world, no criminal records, those only that we need and a requirement of the English language.

Is that so radical? Or just common sense.

So if we closed ALL the borders immediately, and had no more new immigrants - would we then start to see this integration? How would that work?

[FlyingJesus]

Fine you don't want her to get raped you just want her to live somewhere that you believe it's likely to happen. Much better. Now that we've clarified your support of having people with opposing views put in dangerous situations, perhaps you'd like to respond to some of the many other points you've been lying about or making stuff up for

[-:Undertaker:-]

So if we closed ALL the borders immediately, and had no more new immigrants - would we then start to see this integration? How would that work?

You'd see it happen faster, because usually down the lines of immigrant families the more integrated the children, the grandchildren become. The problem arises when you have huge areas of cities whereby immigrants keep coming in from the same culture, and thus the children never integrate with the existing British culture and become segregated.

All we need to do is to simply reorganise the immigration system along the lines I mentioned (a freeze could be enacted for a few years, with a green card visa system working in its place) whilst policies asserting British culture are put into place: ie, the English language to be spoken in all state schools. All council services and offices will only conduct forms and services using the English language. Children, especially in immigrant communities, are taken on field trips and taught extra British history. The British flag flown at all state schools and so on.

I'd actually extend a lot of that to native Britons too as increasingly they are also ignorant of their own history and nation.

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Fine you don't want her to get raped you just want her to live somewhere that you believe it's likely to happen. Much better. Now that we've clarified your support of having people with opposing views put in dangerous situations, perhaps you'd like to respond to some of the many other points you've been lying about or making stuff up for

Well why not? If you advocate something that the majority of the British people are against, then you should at least live among it.

Especially politicians who preach diversity and multiculturalism but who live anywhere other than those areas.

[FlyingJesus]

This seems like a lot of bureaucracy and red tape for someone who claims to be for a small government and lots of personal freedoms, oopsie

[Kardan]

You'd see it happen faster, because usually down the lines of immigrant families the more integrated the children, the grandchildren become. The problem arises when you have huge areas of cities whereby immigrants keep coming in from the same culture, and thus the children never integrate with the existing British culture and become segregated.

All we need to do is to simply reorganise the immigration system along the lines I mentioned (a freeze could be enacted for a few years, with a green card visa system working in its place) whilst policies asserting British culture are put into place: ie, the English language to be spoken in all state schools. All council services and offices will only conduct forms and services using the English language. Children, especially in immigrant communities, are taken on field trips and taught extra British history.

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Well why not? If you advocate something that the majority of the British people are against, then you should at least live among it.

Especially politicians who preach diversity and multiculturalism but who live anywhere other than those areas.

Because teaching more about Henry VIII will solve everything.

[Dan2nd]

On the subject of racism a long time ago I watched a documentary on a lady called Jane Elliott who was a primary school teacher in the US. She believed that white people (whether we like it or not) are conditioned from birth to be racists and subconsciously on a daily basis act in such a way because it was what we were conditioned to do through what we are told by people in power. This in mind she did an experiment with the school children and separated them by their eye colour. Children with blue eyes (predominantly white children) had to wear scarfs to make them stand out, from that moment they were demoted to the lower end of society. Children with brown eyes (predominantly children with an ethnic background) were put on the top end of society. She chose this method because like the colour of your skin you can't control your eye colour.

For that week the blue eyed children got a shorter play time, less time on the water fountain and during classes were made to feel stupid and foolish. Whilst at the same time children with brown eyes were praised given rewards and their work was made a lot easier to make it seem like they were smarter. It sounds quite cruel but when the experiment ended she assured the children that none of it was true and in fact everyone whether they have blue or brown eyes are all the same.

Jane still does this experiment to this day but now with adults, I'd deffo recommend a watch if you're interested in these sort of social experiments as it is quite interesting to see how people react when they are made to feel powerless and out of control based on something they can't change (in this case the colour of their eyes).

Here's the old documentary showing how the experiment worked with the kids and it shows a group of adults she did it with years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQAmdZvKf6M

Here's a more recent one she did in the UK - funnily enough the 'blue eyed' group in the UK weren't as willing to take the message on board as those in the US but still an interesting watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MYHBrJIIFU

[-:Undertaker:-]

This seems like a lot of bureaucracy and red tape for someone who claims to be for a small government and lots of personal freedoms, oopsie

Whilst we have a state system it should be the remit of parliament.

Rather them learn about our history than paint one anothers nails and braid eachothers hair in school lessons.


Because teaching more about Henry VIII will solve everything.

Well actually, yes it does.

But I would focus much more, including on native children, with the Magna Carta, English Liberty, the Bill of Rights, Acts of Union, Golden Age etc.

[FlyingJesus]

Well why not? If you advocate something that the majority of the British people are against, then you should at least live among it.

I believe the proper response would be to wish that these problems do not come to light, not to wish that people get raped for not agreeing with you

ps (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=812313&p=8249691#post8249691)

[-:Undertaker:-]

I believe the proper response would be to wish that these problems do not come to light, not to wish that people get raped for not agreeing with you

ps (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=812313&p=8249691#post8249691)

But they are coming to light because of the policy of multiculturalism being advocated here right now. And those who advocate it (usually well off do-gooders) should have to suffer living among that like the working class have had to.

Tom, it's rather like how you used to (not sure if you still do) paint your nails.... I would like to see how you'd get on in an Islamic ghetto. :)

[FlyingJesus]

So basically you just want to see people in pain of some sort. Not that these things are actually true anyway, as evidenced by the complete lack of reality in any of your posts - they're all hypothetical, just like your dreams of bringing harm to everyone who doesn't care about cricket. As for how I'd get on, I haven't lived in any such place for a great length of time but I've spent plenty of time in Leicester with makeup and nails done and never had so much as a comment, yet I've also been attacked by a white Briton in Brighton for it. It's almost as though your racial prejudices aren't actually based on anything true :o :o :o

But yes, do continue to ignore everything else that's been written and focus on your dreamland instead, it does seem to make you so happy

[Kardan]

Because as we all know, Muslims spend their free time looking for guys that paint their nails so they can beat them up.

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So basically you just want to see people in pain of some sort. Not that these things are actually true anyway, as evidenced by the complete lack of reality in any of your posts - they're all hypothetical, just like your dreams of bringing harm to everyone who doesn't care about cricket. As for how I'd get on, I haven't lived in any such place for a great length of time but I've spent plenty of time in Leicester with makeup and nails done and never had so much as a comment, yet I've also been attacked by a white Briton in Brighton for it. It's almost as though your racial prejudices aren't actually based on anything true :o :o :o

But yes, do continue to ignore everything else that's been written and focus on your dreamland instead, it does seem to make you so happy

Woo, Leicester.

[FlyingJesus]

Not that impressed with the place tbh it's just like any other city I've been to but my brother lives there

[Kardan]

Not that impressed with the place tbh it's just like any other city I've been to but my brother lives there

Oh, it's an absolutely ****hole, don't worry.

[OldLoveSong]

I dont believe im rascist. I accept all people and their cultures equally, even if i dont believe in all of them. Everyones different and i hve a variety of frieds tfrom tons of races and different cultural background

[Bloop]

tbh i dont even care what race anyone is of like i mean if ur nice then who cares abt yr skin colour

i dont get all the muslims one? i never knew they were perceived like that in other countries... for my country, muslims make up a respectable percentage and people have been charged in court for insensitive, racist remarks

IM CHINESE BTW WOOOOOOOOOOOO

and i make racist jokes tho oops

[Kardan]

tbh i dont even care what race anyone is of like i mean if ur nice then who cares abt yr skin colour

i dont get all the muslims one? i never knew they were perceived like that in other countries... for my country, muslims make up a respectable percentage and people have been charged in court for insensitive, racist remarks

IM CHINESE BTW WOOOOOOOOOOOO

and i make racist jokes tho oops

To be fair the only people that feel that negatively towards Muslims are Undertaker and the English Defence League (which are just a bunch of hooligans that can barely string a sentence together if you search them on YouTube).

[-:Undertaker:-]

I dont believe im rascist. I accept all people and their cultures equally, even if i dont believe in all of them. Everyones different and i hve a variety of frieds tfrom tons of races and different cultural background

All cultures are equal? Are you really saying that?

So the culture of Saudi Arabia or Uganda for example, is equal to that of say America, Britain or India?


To be fair the only people that feel that negatively towards Muslims are Undertaker and the English Defence League (which are just a bunch of hooligans that can barely string a sentence together if you search them on YouTube).

And famous and highly intelligent atheists and thinkers on both the left and the right like Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Salman Rushdie, Sir Winston Churchill, Douglas Murray.. But then you're unaware of them brainiac, aren't you? Maybe some reading/lectures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_critics_of_Islam) would do you some good rather than childish comparisons to boneheads in the EDL.

It's a real shame that seemingly clever people like you will defend Islam and Islamic culture to the hilt, despite the bleeding obvious that is requires serious reform, because all you serve to do is set back those muslims who are trying to reform and modernise Islamic culture.

[buttons]

All cultures are equal? Are you really saying that?

So the culture of Saudi Arabia or Uganda for example, is equal to that of say America, Britain or India?


no she said she accepts every culture equally no matter how different they are, stop twisting people's words to suit yourself jfc

[Hannah]

no she said she accepts every culture equally no matter how different they are, stop twisting people's words to suit yourself jfc

Typical undertaker behaviour, out of debate threads most of the time they should just be ignored.

OT:
I do not care for colour, religion, intelligence or ethnicity.

I dislike everyone the same.

[The Don]

I never said it defined you all. But individuals from that country are creating negative stereotypes. That's really the only point I was making.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_mentality

[-:Undertaker:-]

no she said she accepts every culture equally no matter how different they are, stop twisting people's words to suit yourself jfc

Why would you accept the precepts of a culture equally when that culture is not equal?

If something is not equal, then don't pretend that it is equal.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg-elD9UArs

[buttons]

she accepts people regardless their culture, it's not hard

[The Don]

If you advocate it from your ivory tower the you're being a hypocrite and not enjoying the diversity enough. Go live in it if it's so great. That's why I have always said that nothing will change regarding this issue until the politicians themselves face the consquences.

If third world immigration is allowed at huge numbers, with no integration (which is what you advocate) then YOU should face what comes of it.

Rather than providing baseless google searches as sources how about you provide some real sources as evidence that immigration brings increased rape, crime etc with it. I'm particularly interested in your Sweden claim, could you provide me with some sort of evidence for these claims you're making, as I suspect you're making a mountain out of a molehill as you always do.

[-:Undertaker:-]

she accepts people regardless their culture, it's not hard

No she doesn't, she is a well known critic of Islam on a number of cultural points and practices.

And it's people like her who are trying to reform Islamic culture that should be supported, not ignored.

[buttons]

am speaking about oldlovesong jfc I am done with this thread

[-:Undertaker:-]

Rather than providing baseless google searches as sources how about you provide some real sources as evidence that immigration brings increased rape, crime etc with it. I'm particularly interested in your Sweden claim, could you provide me with some sort of evidence for these claims you're making, as I suspect you're making a mountain out of a molehill as you always do.

I'm not spoonfeeding you, I have had debates in the past on things like Dutch terrorism and extremism coming from a certain religion after it recieves criticism and even after I prove it, all I get in response is "well wot about the IRA"... so it's a completely pointless exercise arguing over it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dkSdhdKcVQ

She has a lot of you spot on right there, it's exactly what I always make the point of.

[The Don]

I'm not spoonfeeding you, I have had debates in the past on things like Dutch terrorism and extremism coming from a certain religion after it recieves criticism and even after I prove it, all I get in response is "well wot about the IRA"... so it's a completely pointless exercise arguing over it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dkSdhdKcVQ

She has a lot of you spot on right there, it's exactly what I always make the point of.

You've just admitted defeat. Shifting the burden of proof doesn't help build your ever decreasing credibility and if your entire argument relies on a supposed fact then the burden of proof is on you to prove that. You can't reinforce your argument with fact therefore the point, and your argument is invalid.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You've just admitted defeat. Shifting the burden of proof doesn't help build your ever decreasing credibility and if your entire argument relies on a supposed fact then the burden of proof is on you to prove that. You can't reinforce your argument with fact therefore the point, and your argument is invalid.

I can't win with you, so there was never any hope of me convincing you of the obvious need of reform in Islam and the failure of multiculturalism and integration in the first place. Don't pretend to be open-minded, because you're the complete opposite

It amazes me that I post the obvious self-evident fact that Islamic culture requires serious reform, I am jumped on.... yet when somebody posts the absurd notion that all cultures should be treated equally as our own (when they're not) it's not even challenged - other than by me. Incredible.

[The Don]

I can't win with you, so there was never any hope of me convincing you of the obvious need of reform in Islam and the failure of multiculturalism and integration in the first place. Don't pretend to be open-minded, because you're the complete opposite

No you can't win arguments when instead of providing evidence for the things you claim as fact you instead reply with "I'M NOT SPOON-FEEDING YOU". It's almost like you know the things you claim as the truth are in fact anything but. If you instead provided tangible evidence for the things you claim rather than rambling incoherently and changing the topic when challenged on those points then perhaps you wouldn't receive such negative responses and we might see a sensible debate.


It amazes me that I post the obvious self-evident fact that Islamic culture requires serious reform, I am jumped on.... yet when somebody posts the absurd notion that all cultures should be treated equally as our own (when they're not) it's not even challenged - other than by me. Incredible.

You don't though, that's the thing. I've just given you an opportunity to and instead you told me to go look for it myself.

[Sweetsusan]

Why is intolerance towards gingers accepted in general western society?

Remember kick a ginger day? What if It was kick a black day? Its discrimination based upon a colour and should be treated equally in my opinion

[FlyingJesus]

Why would you accept the precepts of a culture equally when that culture is not equal?

If something is not equal, then don't pretend that it is equal

Possibly because she (unlike you) actually believes in personal freedoms rather than merely claiming to and then talking incessantly about how you want to control what everyone does to suit your own archaic ideas


I have had debates in the past on things like Dutch terrorism and extremism coming from a certain religion after it recieves criticism and even after I prove it, all I get in response is "well wot about the IRA"... so it's a completely pointless exercise arguing over it.

Actually what happens is people post huge amounts of proof against your points and then you refuse to respond and just move to another thread, like last night where even when prompted and reminded of past posts you decided to derail further and flatly ignore the responses you couldn't tackle


the obvious self-evident fact that Islamic culture requires serious reform

...To something based more on your own faulty ethics and "just because" reasoning that makes just as little sense

[Lewis]

i'm extremely non-racist and non-prejudice. however, there is one thing, I get nervous sometimes when a muslim comes on the bus with a big bag or rucksack though. i don't want to and i don't think anything bad of them, i just get nervous lol - probably because of my family

my family on the other hand is extremely prejudice and racist

[FlyingJesus]

How do you know they're a Muslim

[Bloop]

if this kind of thread happens in my country all of u wld gg and get instantaneously flamed :P

omg every1 chill idegaf abt their race or whatsoever and this morning i just sat opposite a muslim on a bus so there

[Rachel]

I have nothing against Muslims as I had a friend that was muslim and I repect it. I respect everyone :)

[Honor-Branch]

no im not racist

[hairpins]

How do you know they're a Muslim
fink most pplz jus meen pplz hew were a burka n cova there fases
not bean rasist mor jus scard