Final Alistair Darling-Alex Salmond Debate

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It's taking place right now on BBC... via the live link across Great Britain http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-28927917

For the small part i've seen so far, admire the passion Darling is showing for the Unionist cause. I've thought for a long while that the Unionist campaign has been too focused on scaremongering.

Anybody else watching? I'll put polling up afterwards.

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I had to turn it off, I was actually getting angry that they just kept shouting over each other and I can't even vote!

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Guardian ICM poll -

Salmond – 71%

Darling – 29%

Sample of 500+


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Darling impressed me near the end, although at the very end - the closing statement - he flunked it. Instead of looking at the cameras like Salmond and making a patriotic case for Britain, he wittered on about currency unions and kept looking down at his papers. A shame.

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what's the results mean?

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what's the results mean?

It means who people thought the winner of the debate was, but since you don't believe in scientific polling it shouldn't interest you too much. ;)

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no you're right i don't believe the 500 people represent everyone who watched it

[A4R0N]

vote yes

[scottish]

okay Aguero;

[xxMATTGxx]

vote yes

Vote no

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idc wt we vote just don't vote ukip in byeee

[A4R0N]

okay @Aguero (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=79492);
omg i'm so glad i swayed u

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Vote no vote yes

[Mark]

vote yes

Thanks but
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PNIjMLuzTOg/U6LpxLNmC-I/AAAAAAAADXM/XDi6zvO2D7w/s1600/no+thanks.png

[A4R0N]

Thanks but
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PNIjMLuzTOg/U6LpxLNmC-I/AAAAAAAADXM/XDi6zvO2D7w/s1600/no+thanks.pngr u voting no because ur a rangers fan i bet u are

[Mark]

r u voting no because ur a rangers fan i bet u are

Tennis is my preferred sport
OT: Andy Murray is British after he won his first round match at the US Open in 4 sets

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idc wt we vote just don't vote ukip in byeee

What on earth has Ukip got to do with Scottish independence and why do you keep mentioning it?

In any case, Scots went and voted for a Ukip MEP in May. Too bad but I guess all Scots don't think exactly like you do.

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Vote no

Hear hear.

[A4R0N]

Tennis is my preferred sport
OT: Andy Murray is British after he won his first round match at the US Open in 4 sets
I think you'll find he's scottish

[FlyingJesus]

Dan did you just admit that not everyone in a country thinks the same way :o :o :o :o

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I think you'll find he's scottish

If you wanted to be really technical and argue the piss over it, he's classed as British in nationality as that is what his passport says.


http://www.lta.org.uk/NewWebsite/LTA/Images/Photos/People/Players/Players-Known/Murray-Andy/2012-andy-murray-gold-silver-flag-olympics-400x300-gety.jpg

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Dan did you just admit that not everyone in a country thinks the same way :o :o :o :o

I'm all for referendums on most of the main issues.

I'd likely win on immigration, the Union, the EU, death penalty and foreign policy.

And i'd probably lose on the NHS, Trident, nationalisation and Environmentalism.

I've no problem admitting which issues i'm aligned with the public on and which ones i'm not. I read polls daily, after all. :P

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If you wanted to be really technical and argue the piss over it, he's classed as British in nationality as that is what his passport says.


http://www.lta.org.uk/NewWebsite/LTA/Images/Photos/People/Players/Players-Known/Murray-Andy/2012-andy-murray-gold-silver-flag-olympics-400x300-gety.jpg

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I'm all for referendums on most of the main issues.

I'd likely win on immigration, the Union, the EU, death penalty and foreign policy.

And i'd probably lose on the NHS, Trident, nationalisation and Environmentalism.

I've no problem admitting which issues i'm aligned with the public on and which ones i'm not. I read polls daily, after all. :P
http://mediadiversityuk.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/pg-08-murray-main.jpegscottish

[xxMATTGxx]

http://mediadiversityuk.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/pg-08-murray-main.jpegscottish

He's British and Scottish so get over it.

[A4R0N]

He's British and Scottish so get over it.
not 4 long

[Mark]

not 4 long

We all know he's pro UK, he even said he loved being team GB

[Kardan]

I watched the debate, and worth noting that I'm not Scottish, (so my opinion means nothing) but I want Scotland to stay. I was hoping that Darling would be better than he was, so that was quite a shame. I also thought the "fairly represented audience" seemed to be a lot more in favour of Salmond, but he didn't impress me much either.

To be fair, he doesn't have a Plan B. It's all about the Pound. But I don't understand Salmond's reasoning at all. If they enter a currency union, they still won't be in charge of things economy related, the Bank of England will. So how is that gaining independence? And if they don't enter a currency union, defaulting on their debt doesn't sound very good (and sounds even worse for England/Wales/NI).

And it's all fair and good saying the pound is as much Scotland's as it is the rest of the UK, but surely the same applies to the oil?

I must say though, the polls afterwards are frightening. I must say it's the first time I've actually thought that 'Yes' has a chance of winning.

[scottish]

I watched the debate, and worth noting that I'm not Scottish, (so my opinion means nothing) but I want Scotland to stay. I was hoping that Darling would be better than he was, so that was quite a shame. I also thought the "fairly represented audience" seemed to be a lot more in favour of Salmond, but he didn't impress me much either.

To be fair, he doesn't have a Plan B. It's all about the Pound. But I don't understand Salmond's reasoning at all. If they enter a currency union, they still won't be in charge of things economy related, the Bank of England will. So how is that gaining independence? And if they don't enter a currency union, defaulting on their debt doesn't sound very good (and sounds even worse for England/Wales/NI).

And it's all fair and good saying the pound is as much Scotland's as it is the rest of the UK, but surely the same applies to the oil?

I must say though, the polls afterwards are frightening. I must say it's the first time I've actually thought that 'Yes' has a chance of winning.

It would still be independent though, currency wise you'd still be tied to Bank of England.

There's quite a difference between currency and natural resources our country gather/collect though.

Yes/No has always been 50/50 or close to it, hasn't it?


Hopefully more up to date poll results soon but the latest ones were earlier this month, so seems about 10-15% undecided, then about 10% more for No.

Survation (7 Aug):
No 50%
Yes 37%
Don't know 13%

TNS-BMRB (7 Aug):
No 45%
Yes 32%
Don't know 23%

You-Gov (15 Aug):
No 51%
Yes 38%
Don't know 11%

Ipsos-Mori (3 Aug):
No 54%
Yes 40%
Don't know 7%

ICM (13 Aug):
No 47%
Yes 37%
Don't know 14%

Panelbase (27 Aug):
Yes 48%
No 41%
Don't know 11%

idk i've not followed it much